Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 874 | Missy Tells Jase Not to Come Home After His Sermon & Impersonating Godwin

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

Jase is instructed by Missy not to come home after his most recent sermon or he’d find a house full of women, and the guys perform their hilarious Godwin impersonations. Al reveals the unique way Phil was able to set Godwin up for coming to Jesus over decades, and a power failure throws a wrench in the episode, but the guys and producer Madi roll with the punches. Jase recalls the only times he was ever in a bar when he actually put on a “disguise” so he wouldn’t be recognized. The guys rehash Jase’s sermon on the book of Hebrews and its one central theme.  -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. Jay's has been moaning and groaning since he got here by this busy week and busy weekend. Because Jay's preached Sunday. And so I like to get him up from time to time so you can appreciate what I do on a more regular basis. You know, it is exhausting. When you factor in the prep time and the prep time, and the prep was a mess because

you shared that on the last podcast you were like I hadn't done any well you didn't say I hadn't done anything but you said I hadn't like spent the time I wanted to till the weekend right well we studied the book of Hebrews

didn't we studied the book of Hebrews yeah we did so many podcasts well I just now got it so it took that to plant the sea I'm glad you got it for you. You feel like, I feel like in this podcast, I have thought, man, I want to go back and redo that whole series or whatever.

Because I'm like, yeah, you. Oh, it's going to be, for our audience, it's going to be so much better than next time we go through all these books. Oh, yeah. You're not believed the improvement. Okay, podcast listeners. Here's the theme. Here's the new theme. We're growing together.

That's right. So if you started in podcast 100, there's hope. Because by 800, or where are we at now, Maddie? 874. 874 is today. We've learned so much together. And I saw somebody celebrating their 500 podcasts the other day, and I was like, ha, 500.

We sailed past that a long time ago. No, it was good. I think after it was over, because from my point of view, since my biggest fear was public speaking, and I'm not that smart a guy. So I have to totally rely on the word of God. Which is not a bad way to be. Just think about those two things.

I'm serious. My biggest struggle in my early years was being shy and not speaking. But the Lord changed that because the more I read, I realize you can't be a disciple of Jesus quietly. It's just it's not possible. That's correct. it's we're supposed to declare even a verse that I didn't read I had Al you probably noticed that I had way more firepower than I was able I was taking notes chase you see here I have I have a front and back handwritten notes during your sermon

and I loved it when you would say yeah I've got a lot more said about that I need to move on because I was thinking in my mind the whole time every time you would say that I thought ooh podcast material for tomorrow it just the the overful of Jason Sermon, we'll talk about. Well, you've got to think about it. We do a podcast. This podcast, I don't know how long they are, 50 minutes maybe. Yeah, 48 minutes. 48. 48.

A little birdie said 48. So when I go do speeches across the country in mainly just settings that who knows who's there, is people out in the world, non-believers, it may be a concert, it may be at a church building. so they give you an hour. But in our organized church settings, and the one where y'all meet that I spoke at, they're pretty well, you got 30 minutes.

If you don't say what you need to say in 30 minutes, go write a book and we'll help support that. Do you lose them after 30? If you go 40 minutes, do you lose them? No, not if it's good. Well, somebody said I actually went 40, but it felt like that's what mom's then mom was watching it and she said but it's you know it is mom so I don't know she said she timed it was 40 minutes but mom has embellished tendencies so uh

you know we go 40 to 50 I have the record at 53 but y'all kind of started your deal that which is smart is that because if you start a church you know then you can kind of set it how you want to and people get, it's all what they get used to. Yeah, that's it. You know, it's just all about what you're used to. So the reason we're bringing this up. If you're not that good, 30 minutes seems really long. But if you're really good, 30 minutes seems like, oh, I could listen to this guy for longer.

So I probably put 15, 20 hours of prep in it, to be honest, somewhere in that window. So then it's kind of hard to turn around into prep for a discussion on the podcast. So since I spent so much time and y'all actually were there and heard it, we thought we would discuss some of the points. But I thought what was interesting is that after doing that, you kind of want to just go lay down. Yeah. There's something that happens.

They told us this when we were in preacher training school, Jays, that the equivalent, what was told to us, and again, you know, I'm assuming I don't know how scientific this is, but what was told to us is that when you preach a sermon, and that's different than teaching a class, when you preach a sermon, the energy, the kinetic energy that you then release into that sermon

is the equivalent of an eight-hour labor job. It's what they told us. Just to the delivery side? Just for the delivery side. Afterwards you will feel like, and I have to say, I don't know about the science of it, But in terms of just the guy of it and how I feel, I would say that's exactly right.

The most sleepy and tired I am any day of the week is Sunday at about 2 o'clock. Yeah. Yeah. Well, my lovely wife said, now look, after you finish, of course, I thought she was going to say, we'll go out, have a nice lunch, or I'm going to get lunch for you. You've done such a good job. I'm going to. She said, whatever you plan to do, don't come home. Well, thanks, babe.

That's so inspiring. And so then I said, well, why not? I pushed back, Al. And she said, well, we're having a shower. Yep. For my granddaughter. Yeah, for your granddaughter. And this is a female-only gathering.

Men not welcome. So then I didn't, I was no longer offended. I said, thanks for the heads up. So I actually went and played golf with Austin. which is Jeff's son, son-in-law, who's not even from here. He was just visiting. And all the women in his life are going to the shower, so they said, go do something.

He actually sent me a text and said, I'm looking for something to do on Sunday afternoon. I was like, well, me too. Let's go play golf. So we did that, which was fun. Did you play well? Because I used to never play very well after I was. I'm going to believe this.

I've, you know, I'm only, I took a couple of years. years off from golf due to scheduling. I literally did not have time to go play golf. So now I have a little more time since we film the show, the Treasure Show. And so I'm on that once ever 10 or 12 day pattern. So the time before I played 10 or 12 days ago was the worst round yet since I've come back. And I think they had like 89 on the scorecard.

but that was grace-filled. Yeah. It was more like a 98. Some holes you picked the ball up, yeah. Well, it just. After a while, you're like... If I hadn't have picked the ball up and taken, like, a triple bogey, I would still be out there trying to compete that round on that day.

I get it. So I go out there yesterday, not a care in the world, and shot a 74. Wow. That's impressive. I missed one fairway. Just striping the ball. Maybe you need to start preaching. Well, Austin said, I think maybe the spirit is lingering.

So maybe so, but it was fun. And Austin is your classic young. He was a baseball player so he can hit the ball a mile, but he doesn't play a lot. So I don't know how he did yesterday, but he doesn't play a lot. We played with him last summer. And so you never, I mean, all of a sudden, he can hit two bombs look great.

Then all of a sudden, nah. It was a lot of grace scores yesterday. I would argue that the spirit probably is a scratch golfer. Probably not going to have a 74, but. Yeah, but anyway. The spirit's going to be underpropos. For me, not to play much. I thought it was good.

But what I was saying is, I felt at peace yesterday, which is unusual in your hometown, because I speak all over the country. But when you speak in your hometown, and it's live, which I'm not sure how I feel about this hell. When you start saying live streaming, because it is streaming into the internet world as it happened. There were people that watched you all around the world yesterday. There's a little weight in that.

Yeah. Not only are you, if you get something wrong. You can blow something inside the walls. It's like, well, they'll forget about it. Well, you know, I messed up. But once it's out there, you know, so I do think that's some of the stress involved there. but you try not to think about that. But there was about three little moments, I think, that gave me peace.

One guy came up. Phil is actually the guy that you shared Jesus with on the plane that was coming home from seminary. Yeah, way back. Somehow you missed Jesus. Well, that fella came up to me, and he said, you remember the last time you spoke here? And I was like, no. He said, it's been years. And he said, I jotted something down.

that you said in my Bible because in that time of my life, even though I was headed in the, I was trending in the right direction in my faith, I was going through a little rough patch, which we all do. But he said, you said something. And so I thought, hmm, let's see what I said.

And it was something that I had no knowledge of ever saying in my life. But he said, you said something that you can't out sin God's grace. and so if you were paying really close to- I noticed you dropped that in yesterday. I dropped that in again yesterday. I did hear that. So that was a callback. Well, I did that because the reason I'm saying it

took the pressure off of me, because here's something that I don't even remember saying that I got from the Bible. But in this guy's, he wrote that down and he never forgot it. And I thought, you know, this is not about me. this is just I'm just a vessel that God's going to speak through. I have the Holy Spirit.

I've studied really hard. And I have no agenda other than turning the light bulb of Jesus on in people's lives. Yep. So it just tends to take the pressure. And so then I, that was the second thing, really, is I just had a personal prayer there with God. And the third thing is as I was walking up there, I look over there and I saw John Gowin. Now, Gowen was part of our love. Duck Show. I worked right beside him at Duck Commander for years. His conversion story is awesome.

He was a bull rider and pretty well just a country cowboy who did a lot of drinking and a lot of cutting up and a lot of fighting and riding bulls and basically came to the Lord through his love for duck hunting and wanting a job at Duck Commander. And actually he was invited to a house church the first time. And the only reason he went, as he tells, I've heard him tell the story for, is because he wanted to get a duck call. He was, he was in a duck call contest, Jason, when he was a teenager. And dad was one of the judges of the duck call contest.

This goes way back. I mean, Godwin's older than me. So you were there, dad, and you were sitting behind him, and he said, his dad said something about a duck commander calling. He said, then things ain't no good. and you were sitting right behind it was what he says. So he winds up winning the duck call contest, and then you gave him a duck call,

and he said it changed his life. But he wound up coming to Christ because he went to a house church that you were leading. Tony, Neil brought him, and then he said he heard the gospel for the first time. And look, I know this guy. We work together. He's family.

And I've seen him grow from day one to where he is now. He's one of my best. And he goes around. and speaks him and his wife all over the country. And if you see him, I've always said he's a human, kind of like Sye that needs subtitles, but really Gawin does. Yeah.

Because he sounds like a combination of a blower and a weed eater making words. It's... It's... Yeah, yeah. That's right here. I mean, I don't know what you're doing. So he would come in to the...

The nomination blower and we do. That's pretty good. To duck commander, you know, and say, and I would say inaudible. And he'd go, what? Inaudible. Remember they on the show, they would do subtitles underneath some of the things he said, which is pretty good.

So I looked over at him and him and his lovely wife, Paula, who I love, they were holding hands. And it, you know, it's so weird that you're just. getting up in front of hundreds of people. But you noticed that. I noticed that on the way walking up. And I thought, what a beautiful sight. It just made me think, now here's this guy that's been married,

because I asked him after the sermon, because we had a talk. And I said, I noticed you were holding your wife's hand. He said, well, our anniversary is tomorrow, which is today. And I did tell him happy anniversary before we come down there. He said, 35 years. And I said, wow. I was like, God, when you've come a long way? And he said, you know, he said, I just participated in, I saw my wife with so much joy

when she looked at what I got her for our anniversary. And so I was like, well, I've got to know what that is because I'm, I've been married 33, it fixed to be 34. And the longer you go in this, the harder it is to find anniversary. Exactly. So I thought, let me get my pen out because he said, I mean, she's just joy. I said, so what did you get her? And he said, oh, you ain't going to believe it.

I was like, well, tell me, because I'm dying to know. He said, I got her a gilly suit and a bag of corn. And I'm like. Yep, makes perfect sense. A gilly suit. He said, you get it? I said, no. He said, she's my deer hunting buddy.

Not only is she my wife and my sister in the lower. I knew she'd gotten into it. She's into deer hunting, and she was joy. She said, you know what she said when she saw that? I said, what? He said, she said, they'll never see us now. The lights just went out when I said they'll never see us now. Maddie, I think we have a problem.

Well, that was the break to end all breaks. I'm telling the story about Gobwin and his lovely wife. What a break. We woke up at a new studio. She got a gilly suit and a bag of corn. And the next thing you know, the lights went out. And so we had to drive about 30 minutes away. We have coffee.

Now, this is better. Duck Commander, they have people with coffee bringing in coffee. We got coffee delivered. Did you want? Yeah, mine was in that Clayton, though. Since I was on the last fort, I expected mine to be first. That's okay. You're just my granddaughter.

Man, you moved to town and, man, the things pick up around here, Dad. We got people waiting on us now. It's pretty awesome. Yeah, that was crazy. Apparently, there's a power outage. And then, Dad, I did check on my way up here. I called because you said, well, your mama ain't been home. Maybe the bill didn't get paid.

And then I got to worry about it, but the bill has been paid. so it's not that. It's something else, so we're good. She hasn't been here for a month. No, and then I got to thinking what it was. I wonder if somebody is paying their bills, and so it's all being covered, so you're good. So, Jay, you were talking about Godwin,

and, of course, now we're in his environs, because he's up here on the duck call room. We're in the duck call room, for those of you watch him. We moved the operation. They said the power wasn't going to be back on dead until later on this afternoon. But, you know, John and Paula were our next-door neighbors for 17 years.

We built across the street from one another. So you're not finding a better dude than him. So I am glad that he was one of your complimenters yesterday. Yeah. That was good. So anyway, it calmed me. And so I got up and it just, I guess it had been a while. But I tried a couple of jokes about,

because I was filling in for Larry Bolt. Larry was supposed to do the overview. He was going to kick it off. And here's my thing, because I organize our sermon series at our church. And so my thinking was Larry is a good detail man. He goes in-depth on the background. So he was going to be my kickoff guy, and he was going to be on the podcast today. And then you were up this Sunday, originally, taking Hebrews 1,

because you had done some stuff about angels I remember on the podcast. It was really good. But then Larry fell and re-entered his knee, surgically repaired knee. and so now Larry, and I figure he's listening, so Larry, we pray you get well soon, brother. But he was supposed to, so he wound up not being able to go. So we moved you up in the lineup, which so your opening joke was about being in the bullpen.

Well, I did. So because Larry and I, you got to remember, we're, you know, I had been asked to speak, but I wasn't in the rotation. Right. The rotation at y'all's church, it's you and a couple of the pastors there and Larry Bowles. Right. So I thought, well, but me and Larry, we're kind of outside the camp as a preview to Hebrews 13. We're not in the institution.

We're just volunteers. He's a fireman. I'm a duckman. So I had a really good joke I was going to tell. Yeah. But I couldn't tell the joke because I had another illustration on introducing Hebrews that I wanted to do. And if I told the joke that was funny, then it would ruin the reveal of. of what Hebrews is about.

Right. So I was stuck in my prep saying, well, I can't do a joke that I know is going to be good. And I made it up, and I'll tell it to you, because I didn't tell it yesterday. Because it would have ruined, I thought,

my next phase of this. So I came up with some jokes because I felt like since me and Larry are outside the system, outside the camp, then we went to Greece together. And since we're so, I guess not the normal presenters when it comes to preaching.

He's a fireman and I'm a duck man. So I thought, well, we need a catchphrase. Because can you imagine me and Larry Bowes walking through Greece where there's what, 6 million people in Athens? It was just, it was a site. Somebody should have filmed it. And so I, you know, I was like the dynamic duo. I thought about mac and cheese.

but I settled on the bullpen and waivers. Which I got it because I like. Because he's in the bullpen, but since he was injured, they called me off of waivers, which means... Which means you were in the minor league system. I was...

Well, I wasn't even on a team. So I said the joke and zero laughter. I laugh at you couldn't hear me. I was laughing back then. So it was so bad, It was good because then I said, I thought that was going to be funny. Well, then everybody laughed. And I brought up Al's point about my personality.

If I'm funny, it's on accident. He's accidentally funny. Yeah, accidental humor. There's a lot of guys on the same. So the joke that I was going to tell that I didn't want to ruin my opening line was that a fireman and a duckman walk into a bar. I like it. You got me?

Now, then I was going to stop and say, now does some of you, you who don't understand grace, at this moment, you're saying, I don't know about that. That's right. But a fireman and a duckman walk into a bar. What's the punchline? Somebody's fixing to hear about Jesus. Because that is what me and Larry Bowles, that's what we have in come. That would have gotten a few jokes.

It's a good joke, and it's true. If you see me in a bar, I'm sharing Jesus with someone, because I ain't going going in there for any other reason. Right. So the only two bars I've ever been in, that was the case. And it was both times where a person, I was getting report, this is early in my faith when I was a teenager. And so we're bringing these people to Jesus.

And I was studying on two different occasions, and they brought up as a defense of not giving their life to Jesus. They said, well, yeah, well, one of these other people that you claim that you just baptized in Jesus, I saw them the other than, night at the bar. And I said, well, who was it? And they told me. And so I called that person after the study and said, hey, I just got a report. Because, you know, I was a teenager. I was trying to micromanage the new Christians. Trying to keep my other bar. And they both said, well, it wasn't me. So one night, Missy and I drove to the bar because it was New Year's Eve.

And we were coming in from a long trip. And I said, look, let's go over here and just see. We don't have to go in, but I just want to see if what they're telling me is true. And sure enough, we were there, now you can call it God Providence or whatever. We were there in the parking lot for two minutes. And out from the bar,

door, came the very two people that said it wasn't them. That said that wasn't them. So then I put on a quick disguise. I put a bandana because I didn't want to be affiliated, you know, and I walked right up to them. Now it wouldn't be in the sky.

And I said, well, now we know. And the look on their faces, and it didn't go well. One of them cussed me out. But having said that, they eventually came back around. And you found out an important lesson, Jason. If someone will lie back going to a, I mean, someone will go to a bar. They'll probably lie back on top of that. Let's take another.

So anyway, so then I asked the question. question, I was like, well, when you hear the word Hebrews, what do you think? And I tried to find, usually there's a group of young people sitting in a section, but when I looked over there, there was only two poor young, young fellas. Yeah, I saw that. And I said, what do you think? And they looked like, you're embarrassing me because I was making a point. Nothing like putting the spotlight on a couple of teenagers. It seems like that's something that's not relatable to people in America. Right. I mean, what's the first thing you think when you hear Hebrews? crickets.

Yeah, which is what you got there. Now, Si yelled out something. So I was sitting right in front of me, and he talked the whole sermon. Well, you're right. The backstory of the sermon of Hebrews, which, to your point, Al, of all the interactions I had after this, Al said it right. He said, I asked you to do an overview of Hebrews, but what you did was an overview of the entire Bible, which is what I did.

He literally went from Genesis to Revelations. I did. His point was Jesus is present all the way through, which is the point of Hebrew. So I got it. It was just funny because he had been throwing me under the bus like, I mean, I'll expect me to do the whole book of Hebrews in 30 minutes, and he did the whole Bible in 30 minutes, which that was the first thing I told it. 30, 35, whole Bible.

But what I noticed was, and I made the point that we've said many times, when you pick up the Bible, it basically says Jesus is coming. And he was there before he was in flesh as a human, incarnate. And Hebrews 1, 1 through 3 is literally the creation story. I mean, Jesus from the beginning. It said all things were created by him. He was before, he's during, he's after. That's why I didn't get to my point about Hebrews 3rd.

But it says Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Now, it became flesh. And we have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John in there. Right. But what I did was I went to Genesis 15 because in defining Hebrews, that's the first place that's mentioned. It's Israelites or Jews that were part of a group of people, a nation, that received a promise from God, specifically Abraham and his family.

And when you read about the promise, it says numerous times, you will be my people and I will be your God. And so then I felt like, well, I got to go back to Genesis 1 because what led to this? Right. This was the original God dwelling with people. He created the heavens and the earth and he wanted to dwell. Unless I like the way you brought in the family nature, because we always have such a hard. time like describing three and one when it comes to the father son the holy spirit god you know deity three but if you think about it in terms of a family it makes much more sense which you which you

made that point and even the point about the risk and reward which i know it did i brought that up in a previous podcast and i got that from some theologian that i can't recall at the top of my head but it's like well why did god create people if he knew they were going to mess up and do evil things and It comes down to the same fundamental argument that people question God about. Well, it doesn't look like he's in control. I mean, look at the evil and mayhem. Why would God create a world like this? And so I brought up a point that I got from this scholar,

well, why do we have kids on purpose? Why do we do that? You know that there's a strong possibility that they're going to go out there and cause mayhem or hate you or do whatever. but it's the reward is greater than the risk because of the love that can be had and the relationship aspect of it. So, I mean, God has given us choices, and that's kind of the thought. But my second point to go along with that is God specializes in making things right.

He's God. Making things right when things go wrong. That's what the whole new creation is about. think of all the passages in the New Testament where you're a new creation. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself and love. Why?

Because you're new creations. So he makes things right, and I believe that he will make all things right in heaven and earth. And that's what eternity is going to look like. The thing he does is show them that there are good people on planet Earth. We always hear about the bad ones.

But they are good. Well, that was a point that I didn't get into, that I was that was in my note is in Hebrews 2, you know, where it talks about the role of miracles, how it, they, the signs, wonders, and miracles confirm the salvation that was brought in Jesus. But today, fast forward, and people are always looking for more miracles. And I made the point that we're in 1st Corinthians 1, 22, where it says Jews demand signs. You remember that that dialogue Jesus had with the Pharisees and the Jews and they're like, give us a sign, give us a sign. He said, I'll only give you the sign of Jonah. And then he brought up because he was in the

well three days and then he come out. Well, he was showing that what he was going to do on the cross and the resurrection is the greatest miracle. I'm the one who is able to make things right through what I'm going to do. Because as much as you marvel over a man being inside a a fish for three days and then coming out of the fish. Think about a man being in the tomb for three days and coming out of there to live forever, which was the whole point. So really, part of my sermon, which I guess I'll get to because I don't want to jump ahead, because I want to say, I ask people, the audience, what Hebrews is about. And I was kind of shocked and a little disappointed in the answers I got. And it was typical things that you think people would say,

faith because of Hebrews 11. Sy said witnesses because the Hebrews 12. There was a few other responses, but I didn't hear the correct answer. Which is the first answer you should answer in any Bible class. That's always right. And so I now listen to this.

This may have come from God. I mean, I don't know, but I figured that they wouldn't get it right. And so I thought I hope there's a guy named Kurt that is very vocal. If you listen to our WFR on line you'll know who Kurt is.

I was hoping he would be in the audience and I said, where's Kurt when I heard these answers? And I said, Kurt, because he said, here I am, brother, but he was sitting in a different section. Yeah, he's moved sections. When I looked and I thought, there he is. I said, Kurt, I hate to put you on the spot, but I'm going to ask you, what is the book of Hebrews about? And I want to say this about Kurt.

And he's a one note. So I'm putting this pressure on him saying all the, I was implying all the answers I've are wrong. But now, from the voice of Kurt, I'm going to take a chance because we didn't collaborate before this. What is the book of Hebrews about? And I'm telling you, he screamed at the top of his lungs, Jesus, which is the correct thing? If you had to sum it up, and I didn't make this point, but if you read Hebrews 3 and verse 1 and 2, it says, fix your things. thoughts on Jesus. We've already addressed Hebrews 1 where it says in the past God spoke through prophets in various ways. But in these last days, he's spoken to us through his son. Hebrews 2 says the

miracles confirmed the salvation that was brought by Jesus. Hebrews 3, fix your thoughts on Jesus. Eventually you're going to get to Hebrews 12 and it says fix your eyes on Jesus. Hebrews 13, it says they had an old system where they gave sacrifices, but Jesus was his body. He went outside the camp. Let us then go to him, speaking of Jesus, outside the camp, bearing the disgrace that he bore. It's about Jesus.

So that was fun because I think it was a crowd interaction, and it made you realize, oh, the Hebrew writer's point, was that you had this old system developed by God because he wants to dwell with people, which is an underlying theme of the entire Bible. This is what the Bible is about, God living forever with people.

And through that system, the same God that we both follow introduced Jesus. And in Hebrews 2 1 and 2, it says you're in danger of ignoring said Jesus. And so that's why he wrote the book. They missed the fulfillment that Jesus fulfilled. And so then you get into all the things about what Hebrews is about,

which you gave the title, Jesus is better. Because 13 times in the book of Hebrews, it says something is now better in Jesus. And if you go down through the list, I have that list somewhere. He's better than angels, Hebrews 1-4. he's better than Moses 3-6 he he has better promises a better character because the hebrews four says that he committed no sin so he's able to help those who are in sin it's a better hope

yeah because he's indestructible right hebrew 618 better sacrifice because it says they had to do all these sacrifices to kind of kick the consequences of sin down the road and they would they would sacrifice bulls. And I had a whole deal I was going to do about the scapegoat because they would do that, sprinkle the blood on the mercy seat, and then they would take a goat, pray for it, and then send it out into the wilderness.

Like it was taking the sins away from the camp, which is a good picture of what Hebrews 13 says that Jesus went outside the camp to suffer. And also, Jay says an interesting point that even they understand, to God was planting seeds in them to understand that the blood of bulls and goats was not enough. They still had to have that scapegoat take that sin out of camp. So God was even showing them through time that this idea about all this blood of bulls and goats

and doves and everything else wasn't enough to take away yourself. Exactly. So then when you get to Hebrews 11, you see this better country and it comes back to Abraham. Yeah. And he was looking for a better country. but he also had figured out that evidently God can raise the dead because he was asked to sacrifice his son, which would then make the promise to him

that all generations would be blessed to your family and your descendants would be like the stars in the sky or the sand on the seashore. Well, then he was asked to give up his son. And so it was a shadow to what Jesus would do as the son of God to bring all humanity in a position with God to live. live forever. It's a very beautiful, and it makes sense. So basically, Hebrews 11 through faith,

is the story of the Old Testament. And in that you see better possessions, you see a better covenant in chapter 12, and then you see a better resurrection back in 11, which is some of the reasons people were given their life in the name of Jesus. He said, so they would gain a better resurrection. And so when you get down to the last verse of Hebrews 11, which is how I broke down, the book, which is the first 10 chapters is why Jesus is better. And then it goes through 11, which is the Old Testament, God dwelling with people, bringing and becoming a shadow of what Jesus would ultimately fulfill. When you get to Hebrews 1140, it says God had planned something,

well, there it is again, better for us so that only together with us, would they be made perfect? So then it gets to chapter 12 and 13, which is what I deemed, Jesus is better 1 through 11, Hebrews 12 and 13, be Jesus in this world. And that's when I went through the book of Acts. Jesus is exalted to the right hand of God. We have all these witnesses in heaven, and therefore we fix our eyes on Jesus, Hebrews 12, 1 and 10. And we're running this race that is like no other race in the history of races, because we're not competing with each other. The finish line and the reward is Jesus.

And since he's eternal, we're eternal. We're stopping along the race and trying to get others in Jesus to come join us. We're giving people water. We're helping those who have fallen down. It's that idea of the race that we run. So that was the basic gist of it. One of the things I like, Jase, that you did was when you made the Jewish arguments, you had the temple.

And you said where God and humanity meet, I think was the phrase you used, which I thought was really good. And Jesus' answer was, I am the temple. I am the temples. And then you talked about the law, which, and this is some notes I made, where humanity comes up short. But he says, I am the law. I wrote it. Just dread. I am the law.

And then he talks about the sacrificial system. And that's where reconciliation is attempted, but we know it comes up short. But then he says, I am the sacrifice. So the I am answers to every one of those things that doesn't quite work out in the Jewish system, he became the answer to, which I thought that was really strong. And I actually had every single issue that comes up in Hebrews at like the promises. They're like, but we have these promises, which they did. it in Genesis 15 we read them but he's like I am the promise I did a little bit on that in

hebrew six and seven because that which is a very confusing passage because it says there's two unchangeable things about God and then it says in which it's impossible for him to lie well for years I always thought well what's the other one why didn't it only give one and I missed it yeah it's talking about the two unchangeable things is the promise which what is the promise the promise is God is going to dwell with human beings forever. No, it's a fantastic point, Zach. But even about the temple, Al, what I was trying to do with that is when John 2, when he said, destroy this temple and I'll raise it up in three days.

You're like, what? It's taking us 46 years to build this temple. They weren't seeing, I'm the place where God and humans intersect, where heaven and earth come together. And then that's validated when Jesus is ascended to the right hand of God as king of kings, which is what Hebrews 1 3 says. And he pours out his spirit. So then those who are endowed by God's spirit is then making Jesus his presence known.

You're seeing this meeting again of heaven and earth. And so it's fascinating. That's why eventually I went to Revelation 21, because you see the same concept. Because I was headed toward what I think is the synopsis of Hebrews, which is Hebrews 1222 through 28. Because through Jesus, fixing your eyes on Jesus, Hebrews 12, 2, look where you've come to.

It says the Mount Zion. Well, he took the city of David, Zion, King David, and now he's made the application that Jesus, through heaven and earth coming together in human beings, he's made that analogy to the heavenly Jerusalem. Yeah, Jerusalem is the center of Judaism and the O'Law. But now there's a heavenly Jerusalem that's been introduced. The city of the living God,

it's a city made up of spirit-filled humans on the earth with Jesus at the right hand of God. And that's why, at the end, which I didn't do, which I wish I would have done, but I had these two categories on what Jesus, the promise, the new covenant looks like. It looks like true forgiveness, complete newness, the spirit of God and dwelling, which I brought up that Hebrews 2, I mean, Ephesians 2, 19, and 21, which says the spirit makes us a dwelling, a holy temple of God.

I mean, that's the new temple he was referring to. Right. To resurrected bodies, the hope of the resurrected bodies, we're all get resurrected bodies of God's forever family, eternity in his presence, and with a current purpose on earth, which is what we're doing now is declaring this Jesus. So I was going to go to Ephesians and look at all the things we're called, the kingdom of God, the body of Christ, the temple of God, the family of God,

the house of God, citizens of heaven, the bride of Christ, soldiers of Christ, armed with the word of God, under the influence of the spirit, you know, the sword of the spirit, turning fear into love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control. And so then going to Revelation 1, it says in verse 5 and 6, he has made us to be a kingdom and priest to serve his God and Father, to Him be glory. And then he gets all the way to Revelation 21, which we started in Genesis 1, where it's a temple, but it's functioning like, I mean, it's a garden, but it's functioning like a temple.

Yeah. Because what's happening. God and people are meeting and fellowshiping together. Right. Well, that's the definition of a temple. Right. Which is why the promise came to Abraham. Same, same promise.

So it gets to 21. and it says, I saw a new heaven and earth coming down. In verse 2, said, I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride. In verse 3, I heard a loud voice. Now the dwelling of God is with men. Well, that's where this all got started. And who made this possible?

Jesus. They will be his people and God himself will be with them and be their God, which was the echoes the promise that was given to Abraham. And then you go to verse 22 of Revelation 21. I did not see a temple in the city because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it for the glory of God gives it light,

and the lamb is its lamp. So I made a big deal early in the sermon about, we used the word better, but I believe that translating the Greek word for what Jesus is compared to the old Jewish system, there's not a strong enough word in the English dictionary to describe that. We say better, greater, superior, elite, most excellent, but in actuality, Jesus described it more like, I'm the light of the world, which means without Jesus, you're in darkness. That's a better contrast.

I love you. Without me, you have what? Alienation. In me is life. Outside of Jesus, what do you have? Eventually death. Right. So there's the contrast. So however you want to describe how Jesus is better, you've got to keep in mind that it's so much greater that it's hard to describe. I love the way you set up that Revelation passage by reading Hebrews 1222 through 28, which was about this idea of the kingdom. And then you said there will be no surprises on the day of judgment. He knows you and you know you, which I thought that was really strong. Yeah, let me finish reading that. So it said, you're the city of the living God, Hebrews 1222. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly.

And I was going to make the point that when Jesus was accused of not being religious because he was eaten with tax collectors and sinners, you remember what he told them? He told them these three stories about something being lost and something being saved, something being dead, something being alive. He told about the coin, the sheep, and the two sons. But in that moment of them being found, it says there's rejoicing on earth and in heaven. The angels are rejoicing. So he was even then in Luke 15 giving a picture of what he's describing here in Hebrews.

You've come to the church of the firstborn, firstborn whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men. And that's where I made that point where, because people say, well, what if God gets it wrong? He's not going to get it wrong. His promise is he wants to live with everyone. and if your heart is not given to Jesus, you're going to know that when you stand before God, and he's going to know that.

He knows you better than you know yourself. So there'll be no surprise that everything will be made right. And if you miss out on it, don't blame him. He wrote an entire book over thousands of years for you to see that has spirit-filled people. And he's filled the earth with actual miracles, which I was going to make this point. Because everybody says, if I just had a sign, or if I just had a miracle. You know, a plant coming out of the earth on its own,

you can call it what you want to in the science world. You're basically witnessing a miracle. I mean, something's happening here. The birth process of a human being, I looked at that and thought, well, that was a miracle. So we have trouble defining the word miracle. You know, in the Bible, it's specifically related to things that are outside the laws of nature and science to confirm the message.

but when you think about it God has given you all this evidence just the miracle of life itself and all the little details in it to say you know what there's a God out there it's pretty impossible to miss and when you tie that with what you see into reading the Bible

you become convinced like it says in 1st John 5 those of us that believe in Jesus we know that we're going to have eternal life even though it's by faith, you just know it. You read it and you look around and say, oh, no, there's a God. This was the plan. He wants to live with us.

It's inescapable if you're honest and open. So I made that point. And then it says, you have come to God, the judge of all men, spirits of righteousness, and then here it is, to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, a new contract, a new promise,

between God and men. And he speaks a better, his blood speaks a better word than able, which I didn't get into, but it'll be a good point when someone gets to that. And then it says, see to it that you do not refuse him who speaks, which was the whole point.

Don't ignore and miss Jesus. Don't refuse him. He's speaking to you as God in a human body saying, come join us. Don't refuse him. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven, which I think is a fantastic verse,

which goes into what he said on earth and what he's seeing now in heaven through his spirit in us and his actual living word of God, the Bible. So then it says at that time his voice shook the earth. So he goes back to what happened on Mount Sinai also. But now he has promised once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the heavens. And I was going to introduce the idea of everybody's worried about an earthquake because we just had one.

And it was literally just the lightest tremor you could ever imagine. And it's all that anybody can talk about. Yeah. But you read this, there's going to be a heaven and an earthquake. Yeah. And he uses that saying it's going to have. happen once more. He gets to verse 28, saying, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, worship God acceptably, with reverence and all, for our God is a consuming fire.

So I was going to make the point, when you're part of the kingdom, it is an unshakable position in life. Yeah. Well, well said. Very good. If you want to check it out, WFRchurch.org 4.7. That Sunday is when Jayce does this. If you want to see it in its entirety, you can check out Chase's sermon. I'll try to follow it up next week. We're out of time. From the duck car room, Unashamed. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little

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