Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 878 | Phil’s Chubby Hunting Buddies Sink His Boat & Jase Gets Injured Herding Goats

Episode Date: April 29, 2024

Phil wastes no time handing out blame when his hunting buddies prove to be too heavy for his boat, and Jase throws his back out chasing and being dragged around by a goat in the woods! Al also sustains a back injury doing something much less entertaining, and the reason for the Robertsons’ thick skin comes to the foreground. The guys discuss whether or not all angels are good angels, taking a college midterm guided solely by the Holy Spirit, and the reason some people think Acts chapters 13 and 14 apply to contemporary culture. In this episode: Acts 13; Acts 20, verses 25-27; Colossians 2, verses 6-15; Galatians 1, verses 6-9; John 14 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. It's just dear old dad and I here in the lair. Jase has flown the coop, but he's with us. Jase, are you there? Can you connect with us through the computer land wires? I will say this. I am in a little town in Tennessee, and I actually set up this whole operation myself. Uh-oh. So, Maddie, get ready. Looks like we may be just me and dad here for a long.

It's not that we don't trust your computer acumen. Well, I'm here, Al, so I'll stick around. All right. You kind of nervous about that? Yeah, very nervous. No, I just want to offer to all our listeners, especially our fans of my dad, Wilderness people can learn and use modern technology. Yeah.

When I was a boy There was no internet None Or TV Or TV Breaking news When I saw them put the telephone On the wall

There was a telephone And it was 15 people Who had the same phone So when you call one of them Party one of the 14 Hey wait get off here Let me talk a minute

In other words But I saw that era when the telephone came in. When the computer came in, that's probably 25 years ago. I haven't been there that long. And you and I and I are sitting here in person talking, but then we're looking at pictures of your other son and nephew spread out across the fruited plains. I mean, this all happened in your lifetime, Dad.

And I saw it coming, and I saw the results that people were getting of all kinds. like we, you know, advertisement and all it. And I can see why they do it. I just said, I don't think I want one of those. Too much trouble. So, Zach, you remember that time? So dad said, you know, I feel like we can get the word out there somehow. And so you started telling him about this idea, a podcast.

He said, I don't know about that. And you said, well, what about an internet Bible study? And he went, I like the sound of that. Well, I did have to wait about two or three days to come back with the second idea. The podcasting was a big thumbs down, but the internet Bible study was, which is what we're doing here, an internet Bible study on the mic box. Internet Bible study. That's exactly what it is. I always say it's like if you were at dad's living room and you're looking in and we spent our whole lives talking about the Bible, talking about it, how it impacts us, this is what you would be hearing, right?

I mean, since we were kids. Yep, this is it. Internet. It is a good way to get the gospel preached. Yeah. And people come from all over. We got a couple of guests on our set today, one's from Tulsa, once from Nebraska. They came in.

And so it's just, it's interesting. We've made good friends along the way. We have. Al and I got to, we were in Dallas together this week. And we got to have dinner with one of our former guests on the podcast, Shane Everett, from Shane and Shane. He was one half of Shane. One half. Yeah.

But, but what, but what he lacked in Shaneness, he made up for in pork shop. So we had the biggest port shop, probably in Texas. We all, I have to say, it's probably the best pork shop I've ever eaten. And I've eaten a few pork chops through the years. You were sweating, though. So you hurt your back. What's the deal, Al? Well, you know, I opened Jay's yesterday.

I was preaching. I followed you up. You did a flyover of the book of Hebrews and the entire Bible, really, and this idea that the whole Bible is about Jesus. And so now I got into the weeds of. Hebrews 1 yesterday, but I was leading in. And I always tried to have a little lead in. And so I got up and I said, well, I threw my back out this week when I was in Texas.

And I said, I know you're wondering what, what feet of strength, what great thing were you doing when this happened? Because there has to be a great story associated with it. And I was like, just showering. Just taking a shower? Just taking a shower. You know, foot moves the wrong way. try to move quickly and bump back out. And so, Zach, when we got together, I was, I mean, of course, Lisa travels with

some muscle relaxers because she threw her back out a few months ago. And so luckily we had that, which kind of got me through. But I'm a lot better now. But that port shop helped. So that helped me do it. Well, in a weird, in a weird world, I also threw my back out, Al. Uh-oh. You're five years older than me.

Yeah. And if you, if you hurt you. your back while showering, I would say it had to do something with one too many pork chops. But that's just my two cents. And he threw it out before the pork shop. I will say the pork chop was probably, and I'm not exaggerate when I said this. But it wasn't my first port jobs. That's Jason's point.

But that one was the pork chop of all port shops. Jay's we're talking probably, I'm going to say four inches thick, maybe. I mean, this thing was amazing. I never said he didn't like it. I mean, that was my point. The balance became hard to handle once you had this Goliath pork chop down on the system. Well, apparently the half of Shane and Shane we got is into food because the man just kept ordering stuff. The seafood tower came out.

I was like, dude, this is ridiculous. It was, somebody needed to repent after it was over. He told me we're fighting a battle that's already been won. If you hadn't heard that song, it's like going, which I was going to tell you why I'm here in the Nashville area, because it came from having a podcast Bible study, an internet Bible study, as that calls it, because we had our guests, the small bones for king and country. And so after we got to know each other and realized that we're kind of, eerly similar in our families?

I found a great kindred spirit with the small bones. I mean, it just felt like they were cousins I hadn't met yet. Well, if you were window shopping and you saw their family and our family, you would say these people have absolutely zero in common. Yeah, that's true. Particularly Joel, who had on the, like the wool suit and the scarf and the pants that were a little bit too short. And the Kramer hair that was sticking out.

Yeah, you wouldn't think he, but now Luke's a little. more he might could he like Luke has a ranch and I mean he like he loved he was out there checking out all of our equipment jaysie well how you're going to find this fascinating so when I got to meet Luke and Joel I obviously had way more in common with Luke but he actually owns a house in the same city in the small city in Tennessee that I do really I heard that oh yeah he's he's right across the road from me over here and we didn't even know it that is funny But what's weird is Joel has actually been texting me more because he's like, look, we appreciate y'all coming up here because tonight we're going to their premiere of the movie Unsung Hero.

Is this like a red carpet premiere? Oh, it's red carpet. Missy have my clothes laid out while ago, which was embarrassing. But I was like, okay, we're doing the red carpet. So this is like the preview for a small group of people to come. caused the, you know, the media buzz for the release, which I think is April 26th in a theater near you. And I've seen the movie.

We talked about it on the podcast. It's amazing. It's totally different from our story, yet the same because our faith is in Jesus. And it shows you what God can do in a family. And I think another thing that was which we talked about this on the podcast with them. but it also, like, it was called Unsung Hero, and there were a lot of unsung heroes in their family, but it was obviously their mom was kind of the glue that held it together, like our family, and the dad had some issues.

He had to work through like you did, Dad. And so it just felt familiar to me. You're right. It was totally different, and yet it felt very familiar in the way it ended up, because it was the same thing. It was just a family who really had no plans of being well-known and famous, but God did. decided to build it that way. So that's kind of what my take from it. And I was very touched and moved by the film in several different places. I mean, I shed tears watching them. Yeah, what's weird is so Joe sends me a text and says, well, whose house are you going to stay at? Because they

both have houses in the Nashville area. Yeah. And he hadn't realized at that time that I live in the same city as his brother Lope. I live in the same city as his brother Luke. So I said, Well, because he, I was like, why are you asking the question? And he's like, well, I'm just, I'm curious because we both offered our house for you to stay at since you're helping us promote the movie. And I said, well, I'm going to stay at my house. Which he was like, well, why? And I was like, because I have a house here. So I think he's real competitive.

Yeah. I guess because he was seeing, you know, you got to pick a brother. And so I finally texted him. I feel like we're going down a road where someone's going to be cut in half. Yeah. In the spirit of that story and Al, you have a better Old Testament history than me. Solomon. Yeah.

You're the baby? Are you the baby? Are you the baby? Yeah. So that was what was a thought funny about it. But then he was like, this is getting weird. And I was like, well, speaking of weirdness, I'll just leave it. there because their brothers are vastly different. But I really love their family and I'm glad

to support them in this. So I'll give you a report on this. I guess in a couple podcasts from now to see how this goes. But I wanted to tell you my story about how I hurt my back. Al, it's a little more interesting than yours because I come up here and I have a... You don't think my shower story is interesting, Jay? No, that's a sign that we need to change something. Well, he didn't. The way he told me the story, Jace, before you tell you. your back story. He said, I was taking a shower. And I'm like, would that, what do you, would you, what did you?

I lift up my foot. I lifted up. I was trying to wash my foot. But it was one, it was the hotel shower. So like mine has a thing you can put your foot on. But I'm having to try to get to my feet. And I just got put in the wrong position. And I mean, instantly, it was just like reverberating pain right through the lower back.

And I realized at first I thought it was just. catch but then I thought no it's not going away luckily I was in the showers I turned the water up to hot and just try to loosen it up a little bit so I could get out of there but it's taking me days to get over well in the spirit of Phil's famous story that after I saw him sink a boat in icy waters with a lot of large men Phil's assessment of the situation in time as the boat was sinking and I was watching in another boat he said too many honey buns too many honey buns That's what he said. As he gurgled the water going down, it was too many honey buns.

I knew how deep the water was, and so it was pretty deep, but I still had our waiters on. I just went on down to the bottom and kind of held my motor up where I went. But that was classic because the boat is sinking. People are flailing. They're having a crisis, and yet you're assessing blame. the reason is you're all too fat. Yeah. There was some heavy ones in there.

That was the battle cry of that boat. Welcome to our childhood. We drained it out. I ran it up on a log, drained it out. I cranked it back up because I had held it up. And I just could do it. But I mean, so we went on with the hunt. Well, so for some of our listeners, I wasn't making fun of Al.

I'm just saying as a Robertson, you have to assess. It's okay. I have a, I have very thick skin. It's accountability. Yeah. And most of it's fat. So start stretching and doing some exercise. I got to stretch before I shower now. Oh, that's why I said in the sermon, Jay's, it was like, I remember when you would do feats of strength and test your metal.

And, you know, we're going to go hike and do this. Now it's just I'm down to having to stretch before showering. I mean, that's where things are. So let's hang on, Jay's. I want to hear your story. Let's take it back. So I haven't been to my first. farm in a while and my son lives here and when I say farm we have chickens and goats and of course we

have a lot of just animals that think our place is a farm so we have deer in the yard and turkeys I mean it's quite the wildlife scene but we've had to move our goats from one area of the property to another because they've basically killed all my trees you know goats can be destructive which is why they're here. We have so much underbrush here that the goats actually, they do a good job, but you have to move them from time to time. So my son was in charge of it,

and the last time I was here, we had eight goats, and he told me that we now have 21, which they're just being fruitful and multiplying. He got all the goats in the new pen, except a mama and two real, little ones that have just been born. And he said he's tried for weeks.

And we were worried that, you know, a coyote would get the little ones. So I said, well, let's go do it. And he's like, Dad, we're not going to get those goats in the pen. I said, we're getting those goats in that pen today. So me and him take off and Missy was flanking us just to try to get some of this on camera. We finally run up on the mom and the two little ones. So, you know, what do you do? Because you're trying to get them 500 yards away into an open pen.

And so what we did was we zeroed in on the two little ones. But what started was an hour of chasing on rocky, slick, mud-filled, mountainside terrain. And, you know, I fell a couple times, but what would happen is we would get one of these little goats hemmed in. and I'm telling you, the lateral quickness of a baby goat is insane. Because twice I had the goat hemmed up and it literally broke my ankles. So I would have the little baby goat hemmed up.

And it would just put a stop and go move and I would fall down, which was embarrassing. Because I went to get it. Somebody should have been filming this. Oh, Missy was. I'm sure they're going to get it. The problem is when we would catch the little goats, which we did, cold caught one and I caught one, because then we thought, well, if we have the babies and we put them in the pen, then the mama goat will gravitate toward the new pen, which is exactly what happened. The problem with filming all this is when we caught the baby goat, all we did was just catch them. You would have thought we were sticking a knife in them because it was just a blood-curdling scream that sounded like, you're torturing me. So Cole would say, turn the camera off. We were not hurting the baby goats, but it sounded like the worst sound that you could hear in the woods.

It was like, I'm dying. They say it's like a kid screaming is what it sounds like. Yeah, that's what it sounded like. And so finally, we get the mama goat near the pen. And it runs off in the woods again. And I said, Cole, go in there. Because it's a forest that if the goats hadn't been eaten around me, it is a forest. You disappear.

And I said, Cole, get in there and push her out. And he's like, Dad, that place is a tick magnet. I'm not going in. And he's old enough now to where I can't order him what to do. He's 25 years old. And he can move faster than you can. I said, I'm going in. So I went in and I stumbled up on the goat.

because it would literally I couldn't see five feet in front of me. And so we we started jockeying for position now because she's, I would say, 200 pounds. And so her mobility wasn't like the baby goats. And so I kind of had her hemmed up and she just bolted toward the fenced-in pen at top speed. So when she hit the fence, it was like a slingshot, you know. But when her horns went through one of the squares, well, it was like a fish going into a hoop net. They can get in easily, but they can't get back out because of the fins. And so she was hung up in the fence.

So now you had her. Yeah, I had her. Well, you would think that it's over. Yeah. But it actually wasn't because I said, go, I can't get these horns out. We literally had to get a pair of wire cutters because she hit the fence with such authority.

Like how her horns got through the fence was a minor miracle. So I cut the fence, get her head out, but as soon as she got her head out, we weren't expecting. Well, she just thought, well, I'm taking off.

Well, I just grabbed a hole and rode a goat for about, 30 yards, I was just being dragged through the wood. Somewhere in there is where the back injury occurred. And I finally grabbed her back legs and I basically dragged her to the pen, which we had another moment of turn the camera off because you would have thought I'm torturing the goat, but I was not hurting her. I was gently dragging her.

She was on her front legs and she was walking. I was just walking her back. And what's funny about how the story ended, so I finally put her in the pen and she just laid over like she was dying. And I was like, now you're not going to get up. She just laid there with her eyes like ballsed out. Like, I cannot believe that you put me through this whole thing. And then her two little little ones came up and she stood up. There was nothing wrong with her.

And they went off into the sunset of the new pen. but I hadn't been able to walk for two days after that. So you're right, Jay's your story is much more interesting. And a big shocker to our audience that Jace would have a story like that of how he heard his back. So there you go. Expected Jays. So, Jason, before we get into our regular text, since you did Hebrews last week and weren't

able to see my lesson yesterday, I want to tell you how I broke it down. Because you got into a little bit of Hebrews 1, the first three verses. But what I did was I lumped that whole chapter in the first few verses of Hebrews 2 into what I called the messenger. So our theme for the book of Hebrews as we're preaching through it is Jesus is greater. And Jason is just the arch theme of the whole Bible. Jesus is greater. And that's not even a big enough word for what Jesus is, but he's greater than anything else.

And so what I said, Jay's was he's greater than the messengers. And so I had the prophets, which is how he starts it, you know, when he talks about the different attributes of himself. And then the angels, which are the heavenly messengers, because that's what they do. They bring messages into our realm from the Almighty. So I got into that. And then the last one, which is kind of a little more subtle, was the first four verses of chapter two, which we, the witnesses are the messengers, but he says he's greater than that too.

the wonders was the word I used because it said he used wonders, miracles, and signs. But he's even greater than that. So my overall point was you don't want to get hung up on the messenger. You always want to stay focused on the message. And that's when I got into that idea about him being the called out word of God. So he is the message. And you don't want to, you know, get loose side of that. So I kind of wrapped it up with this illustration at the very end after I preached the text about,

I use Buckeys because we're all familiar with Buckeys. And I talked about that as being like the shiniest Walmart-style convenience store. And Rednecks love convenience stores. I mean, they do. Our church, when I said it, everybody started laughing. It was like, yep. I said, how many of y'all been to Buckees when you're on the road? 75% of the arms went up.

I said, you bunch of rednecks. You were drawn into the shiniest convenience store there is. And I admit, they're great. The first one I saw I'm drawn right in. But then I was telling them, I said, but now, to be honest with you, I don't stop at Buckees anymore. There's too many people. It's a convenient store that's not convenient. Too many people there.

So I just do the J-Mart. So I made the whole point that you don't want to get hung up on the shiny and the big when you want to, what you want to do is, is focus in on what the message is and who Jesus is. So that was kind of my, that was my sermon, just a thumbnail. So that was what I did as a follow-up to what you did last week. That sounds good. I think ironically, the message leads you to a person. Yes.

Which is Jesus who has a message. But I like how you wrap that around. I call Bucky's a redneck meet and greet because I've been in there once. That's all I went. It was just because we represent a lot of those people being people of the outdoors. And I think I was in there about an hour. Yep, me too. Just because I thought I'm not going to be rude.

And you know, Missy's out there calling 911. But I was like, look, babe, these are our people. So it's, it's, uh, your, your Hebrew's commentary, I think is very appropriate for you could, I think it's been the thrust of this whole podcast. I preached yesterday on, um, text out of Mark 3 about what does it mean to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, which is this really scary text. Matthew Mark and Luke and it's very scary how it presents it because it says it's an unforgivable sin and so we went through all that but one of the places you know we dove into was what is the role of the Holy Spirit and ended up in John 14 which is this Jesus is promising of the coming of the Holy Spirit but right before he promises the coming of the Holy Spirit he he basically says I'm going to prepare a place for you if it weren't so I would not I wouldn't have told you

you that I'm going there to prepare a place for you. Like I'm, I'm, I'm leaving. He's telling about his departure. And he's like, I'm, I'm going to be leaving Earth. I'm going to set up this place for you guys. You know, but I promise you, like, this is not the end. And it's for your benefit that I go away. Because if I don't, then he's not going to come. When he comes, he's going to guide you into all truth. And he'll make known to you what, what, what, what me and the father have planned, coming from Jesus here. But there's this interesting dialogue that happens before all of that where he's telling this to his apostles,

and he's saying, I'm leaving. And Thomas says, well, show me the way. What's the way? We don't know the way where you're going, because he said, you know the way. And we don't know the way.

So, yeah, you know the way. And Thomas said, no, we don't know the way. We don't have a map. We don't have a GPS. We don't have ways, you know, obviously I'm paraphrasing here. Yeah, we don't know the way.

And when Jesus responds, because he'd already told him that you do know the way. He said, you know the way. Thomas says, I don't know the way. So tell us the way. And Jesus's response was so powerful because he flips the whole paradigm, which is really what you're talking about, Hebrews. Yeah. That it's a person.

He says, well, yeah, you know the way because I am the way, the truth and the life. And nobody comes to the father except for me. And you know me. If you know me, you know the father. And it was just such this moment where, like, the way Jesus answers his statement that I don't know the way, Jesus responds with that the way is actually a person he's standing right in front of you. So I think that is probably the grand trajectory of the scriptures is that everything is pointing to a person. And so in a church like ours where we have a lot of recently, we've had like a lot of new age,

mystics, Buddhists, like all kind of converging on this little church we have in the Swanseaoa Valley that the conversations have been so rich. But I'm trying to point people that this is not an idea. God's not an idea. He's not an impersonal energy force. He's not a blessing that you get. Like, he is a person. And that is the divine claim of Jesus,

that God is a person and that he is incarnated in this one that we call Jesus to Christ. No, it's interesting, Zach, because I went down that same. track, you're right on mine. I also read that verse that you just read and I also read John 539, which is a verse you bring up a lot on the podcast about how that they were diligently searching the scriptures, but Jesus said the scriptures are about me, a person. You know, you're not looking at the person.

Here I am. But I thought it was interesting because you were talking about that on all the things that have come up that aren't about Jesus. I did make a point when talking about angels that, you know, not all angels are good. I mean, some angels rebelled in heaven, and we read about that. We know that Satan was a part of this force. I said, you know, and so you look back over the last 2,000 years since the first century, there have been prophets, people who claim to be prophets, who claim to talk to angels,

who then set them on a course where Jesus wasn't king and Lord. and the one and only who he claimed to be. And now you have these other, you know, supposed paths. And Zach, you mentioned a few of them just now. And there are others that came about. And I don't know if these were false angels or if these were just false prophets. But either way, if you have an encounter with an angel or a prophet and they're not saying who Jesus is and pointing to him, you better run the other way.

Because you're going to get into something that's not biblical and is not godly. and you're going to find yourself in a world of hurt. So, you know, the flip side of what you described is people that decide that Jesus isn't the way, the truth and the life, and where that leads. And so it was an interesting discussion. And, man, I don't have enough time to develop it. You know, I was it in one sermon? What is Paul say in Galatian, Galatian chapter 1, verse 6?

I'm astonished that you're so quickly deserting him. Yeah. A person who called you into the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel, not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, and he's speaking here from apostolic authority, right, even if we an apostle or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preach to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, now I'll say it again, if anyone is preaching to you a gospel

contrary to the one you received, let him be a cursed. So I mean, So that, Galatians, what? I should have used that verse. Galatians 1, 6, 3, 9. That's very good. I mean, you think about, he's saying, even if an angel of the Lord should appear to you.

Yeah. An angel from heaven, rather, should appear to you and tell you something other than what the gospel you received that we've already told you about, the one that ends with Jesus Christ, begins and ends with Jesus Christ. Like, you better run. Yeah. And that was my point.

was that we think of angels, especially when we read about them in the text, and Jay's, you probably dove into those a little bit in your prep, too. And they're so shiny and powerful and scary and do all the other spies and their slayers and they do all these things about history. And every time a major thing happened in the Old Testament, there were angels around. But ultimately, they're just messengers from heaven. They're powerful. And I don't want to slander them. We know better than that. But at the same time, they're not bigger than Jesus. And so, you know, that kind of became a thrust.

Which in Colossians 1 and 2, it's really the same exact point because he talks about the supremacy of Christ. And he, in Christ, in Christ, in Christ. Like, if you read Colossians 1 and 2, like that phrase is over and over again of the centrality. In him, the fullness of deity lives in bodily form. And then there's in the NIV version, I was pulling it up on the ESV, but it says something like, don't let anyone who worships angels disqualify you for the prize. Right here it is.

Let no one disqualify you. This is the ESV. Insisting on asceticism and worship of angels. There you go. Going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason, by his sensuous mind and not holding fast to the head, that's a capital H, from whom the whole body nourished and knit it together. gather through its joints and ligaments grows with a growth that is from God. No, that's good. And obviously, it was a problem going on in this Jewish audience or the Hebrew writer

wouldn't have started there, which I found interesting. So you knew there was a lot going on in that text. Where was that? Colossians. What was that? You were reading? That last one I just read was Colossians 2. Well, I think the whole thing is 2, 6 through 15.

All right. I mean, I thought about that. Yeah, because I, uh, it was one time in college, um,

I got in a conversation with someone and, and they said that they were, they, they, they got in super like into the, what, what, I don't know,

the Holy Spirit movement, but I would probably have disagreed with them. I did disagree with them on what they meant by that, but one of the girls was like, yeah, we've, we finally figured out how to tap into the spirit. And I was like,

really? She's like, yeah. I mean, it's like, but God is moving. And I, And they would go into these great details about these stories about these encounters that they were having.

And then one of them was that they actually went to the top of a mountain inspired by the spirit. And they saw an angel up there. And it was like this whole detailed story. And I didn't really have like a like a way to really combat anything they were saying until she said that she was, she now takes her test in college. I was a junior in college. And she said, I now take all of my, my test under the inspiration and the power of the Holy Spirit. And I was like, well, how is that working for you? And she said, well, you should be a 4.0.

Oh, yeah. She said, well, I didn't study it all for the last test at all. She said, I get in class. And she said, Holy Spirit takes my hand and he grabs the pencil. Like, I'm not even looking at the paper sack. I'm not even, I mean, it's just, I mean, it's just filling it out. I mean, if you're watching, if you're not watching, my hands moving like I'm writing. So she's, the, the pencil is moving on the paper.

She's filling out the bubbles on the little Scantron. It's just filling out bubbles all the way down. My, my theory was, if you hadn't studied, I always choose C. See? Yeah. Yeah, that's the, well, that is the thing to do. I actually tried that in Bible school, and it resulted every time in a trip to the dean's office. We caught it the Christmas tree.

Like, you just Christmas tree the whole thing. and then just hope for the best. So she does this, but it wasn't a Christmas tree because in her words, it was under the power and the influence of the Holy Spirit. Yeah. Kind of like a Ouija board. It's guiding her hand. Yeah.

I got it. Well, they get that from the passages that even where we're at in Acts and 13 and 14, it's like the Holy Spirit kept us from going to this city. Yeah. The Holy Spirit told us. But there was obviously some supernatural. miraculous occurrences happen happening at this time that is not infrequent years today. I mean, so I think people misunderstand that.

Well, plus, it's a pretty high view, Jay, so of the Holy Spirit. I can look back over time and say, you know, I think the Spirit was moving and pushing, nudging me in this direction versus he's actually taken over my hand to complete a test score. Well, I was pretty convinced that she wasn't under the power of the Holy Spirit. though, because I asked her, I said, what did you make on the test? And she made an 89, which is a B in college, which is great. And that's a pretty incredible story that you literally, under some kind of influence, you made it.

But I'm like, if the Holy Spirit takes your test, you will get 100% of the answers correct. The Holy Spirit determined it probably won't. He doesn't make bees. He does not make a B's. That'll make that a priest. Let's take another. Well, there's a term for that. I think it's called today in our modern culture. It's called Christianese.

It's like this language of these supernatural occurrences that are happening to try to help make decisions. But I always combat that argument with, because I recently had one of these situations where we had a situation that was difficult and involved a family. We were trying to make the right decisions. and kind of the guy who we were disagreeing with said, well, I'm just relying on the spirit. The spirit is telling me to do this. But I said, but the rest of us have the Holy Spirit, and we're telling you the opposite.

So who are you going to listen to? Because, I mean, we're spirit-filled people, and we're all unified saying this is not the best course of action. I think you've got to be careful with where you take that in making decisions. Well, that also brings those passages out in first, second, third, John, where, you know, and you're getting a little later in that first century when John's like, you better test those spirits. You better make sure those spirits are staying in line with what we've been teaching you

and about Jesus because in his context, they were saying that Jesus never really came in bodily form. And so that's the kind of stuff you can get into. And you're like, wait, you know, that's dead wrong. That's where I was going because, you know, 1st John 4 says that. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God. Every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. But, you know, eventually, to go back to Zach's point about John 14, because when I was

a young in the faith, I thought John 14 about I will go and prepare a place for you. and it has many rooms. The only time you really heard that section of scripture discussed was at a funeral. Yeah, yeah. And you would sing these songs like I've got a mansion over the hilltop. But when you look at the context of him writing that, the next two chapters are spent talking about him ascending to the right hand and leaving them the Holy Spirit,

saying, I'm not going to leave you as orphans. There's that famous passage in there that says, if you trust me and obey my commands, me and my father will come and make our home with you, you know, through the Holy Spirit. Yeah. So I think that's what he was talking about. Yeah, I agree. I mean, sure, when you die and you're in Jesus, you go and you be with Jesus while, you know,

we wait for the resurrection. But I think it was more about what First John gets into after he says that test the spirits. It's an interesting verse. In 13, it says, know that we live in him and he and us because he has given us his spirit. And so then it goes into talking about God is love in verse 16. Whoever lives in love lives in God and God in him. And this way love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgments. Because in this world we are like him. So you see this idea that we're discussing.

in the book of Acts that Jesus exalted at the right hand of God and pouring out his spirit now makes it real that Jesus is here on the earth through his spirit that lives in people. And we're in heaven. You know, think of the Ephesians 2 text that says he has seated us with him in the heavenly realms. He's there representing us in heaven, which I think is really a fulfillment of the kingdom, being here on earth, the temple of God, you know, Ephesians 2 says that we're his temple through his spirit that lives in us. So when you read that in light of John 14, all of a sudden that means something now as well as our future hope. It's like we're housing the spirit of

Jesus on the earth. Which where that plays into where we're at in Acts is you know, keep seeing a lot of this conversation about the Gentiles being now included in this, but you have to, you can't, you can't, you cannot interpret the inclusion of the Gentiles into God's kingdom. You can't interpret it unless you understand what you just said about the endulement of the Holy Spirit of God living in people now. I mean, that, that is, that's, that's directly connected. And it's connected through the whole stuff we've talked about with the temple as this temple, this temple, the Herodian temple coming down in 80-70, like that paved the way right there.

So that demolished that as being the center of God's presence. And now God does dwell in the temple of human beings in all types of human beings, not just one ethnic group, but in all ethnic groups. That's why we say that it is a multi-ethnic kingdom. So you know, like an Acts 13 and Acts 14, all this information in here about the Gentiles, that's the point that you're seeing this kind of history flow throughout the Book of Acts of how the Holy Spirit came. And now the church is being built in a way that you have Jews and Gentiles. And now here we are 2,000 years later. And that same church has spread across the entire globe.

the entire globe, the entire world now, and there are unreached people groups. But look at a heat map of where the gospel has penetrated, and it's just mind-blowing to think that it all started in this one little place of what we're reading about right now. The utter ends of the earth, which, Dad, you were talking about when we came in today, you were talking about this idea of commission

that you read about the end of Matthew. Yep. And the idea is this was... I mean, you're not going to stop. if you understand you're commissioned to do it. Right. You can't, that's why they didn't slow down, turn right, left. They just, some of them doubted, but the ones who got it.

And when what they took a beating, that's for sure, but they never slowed down. I mean, it's amazing. And remember, Dad, you said it. He said, therefore go and make disciples of all nations. Yeah. And the actual phrase, there's every ethnic group. That's right. To Zach's born a minute ago.

minute ago, baptizing them in the name of the Father and Son, the Holy Spirit. Reminded the people, there, these two who ever hear, I was reminding people of that, that it's a serious thing. Right. And not everyone's called to do it, but the ones who are, they're not going right, left, they're straight, straightforward. Right. And so you saw that call that goes out to these original group of what started out with

12, then 11, then back to 12 again. But then also happens on the road to Damascus. us to Paul. And what's interesting is he gets his three-year discipleship program with Jesus in the Arabian desert. Remember, we read about him being off and obviously he just disappears for three years. Then he comes back. Well, guess what? Now he's ready to rock. Yep. And this, where we're at in the text now in Acts 13 and 14. There's a reason it's called when you announce and preach Jesus, him crucified and raised from the dead. I mean, the power of it is it's, it's, it's, it's, It's great.

That's right. Great. It is a great commission. It's a great commission. Yeah, I'm glad Zach brought that up because, you know, most people that are doing a series in Acts, when they get to Acts 13 and 14, they quickly go through that as quick as possible. Because you see this difficulty of the Jews who Jesus basically basically, basically, you see this difficulty of the Jews who Jesus, Jesus basically, redeem them. It was the Jewish,

it was God's Jewish making things right in Jesus. And so the ones that were finally getting that, they were having difficulty realizing that Gentiles can be in Jesus too and not become a Jew. Because that's really the struggle of these two chapters. They were like,

okay, y'all can be. being Jesus, but you've got to live like us. First thing we need to do is get circumcised. And so, you know, eventually Paul would write a whole letter about that in Galatians, which is very helpful. But also First Corinthians gets into a lot of these issues that were coming up because they were struggling with Gentiles, which is anybody not from Israel, coming to Jesus, and not living like a Jew. It turned into a nationalistic thing, which is the struggle which doesn't seem to apply so much today in our culture. So people are like, well, why do we need to discuss this? But I think a good passage that can help us is when Paul in Acts 20 got up and he said this

famous thing in 25 where he said, now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again. Therefore, I declare to you that I am innocent of the blood of all men. Well, the key word there is all because he realized this is for everybody. Yeah. And then he says, for I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. And then you see the need for leaders because keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. So you're going to see that this is right when you start getting into they start appointing elders. And you said, well, why? Because they were dealing with all these cultural issues that divided them. Yeah. And they were wanting to assimilate everybody. So it made me think of your

original thought out about the angels. Yeah. Because even in the Corinthian letter, they, they start dealing with this. What happens if there's food that have been sacrificed to idols and all these different things. And so he gets to 1 Corinthians 12 and he's like, we are membered. The body is a unit. Though it is made up of many parts and though its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ for we were all baptized by one spirit into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free. And we were all given the spirit to drink. And so then when he gets to chapter 13, because they had seen these miraculous powers and so they were having that struggle and then he's like if i can speak in the tongues of men you know meaning this miraculous going back to our point about the holy spirit's going to take

my test and all this but then it says it brings up angels again and end of angels even if you could speak in an angelic tongue and had all these miraculous powers but i have not love i'm only a resounding gall or a clanging symbol Well, then if you go back to our passage in 1, John 4, when John defined love, remember when he says, this is love for God. Not that we love God, but that God loved us and sent his son to die for us. That's the definition of love. You cannot have love, true love, without Jesus and understanding Jesus, which is really the problem in our society. It was the problem in their world.

It's people getting along doing anything. But even in the church, you have that same struggle because we have cultural differences. We have traditions. We have in the Jews case, they had the Holy Scripture saying we're God's chosen people. Now, that's really good, Jay's. And you kind of reset us, which is great because we're out of time today on this podcast of what we're going to go into in the next podcast, which was more of those issues as Paul and Barnabas continue on their journey, which is eventually going to land them in Jerusalem dealing with this idea of that.

the Jew and the Gentile. So we'll get into that on the next Unashamed. We'll see you then. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. And for even more content that you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to Blaze TV at blazedtv.com slash Unashamed.