Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 897 | Jase Piggybacks on Uncle Si’s ‘Duck Dynasty’ Moment & Phil’s Honesty Derails a Conspiracy

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

Phil sees proof of one of his oldest wildlife theories in the flesh! But his honesty about the whole thing throws off the “Duck Dynasty” legend that Uncle Si started and Jase is currently taking credit for. The guys discuss the power of a public declaration of one’s devotion to Christ. Zach points out that the “point of temptation” is different for everyone and that everyone must recognize their own. In this episode: Acts 19; Revelation 3, verse 20; Matthew 7, verse 21 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. We're getting our sea legs under us. We just spent about 10 minutes arguing in between podcasts. So that means we're getting back in the proper position. With Zach, you said one of these days we're going to have a podcast with nothing but outtakes of the conversations in between. I've got all the footage. Before we do that, I need to. Before we do that, I need to. Poor Maddie, they'll have to put it all together. No, there'll need to be a team of people vetting the content because you don't know what's said. I mean, some stuff in there, you know, you're like, I don't need to let that. I'm going to tell you right now, you can run 100% of what I said. No one has to vet that.

I'm comfortable in my own skin. I've caught you in quite a few errors, but that's okay. Just theological errors, but I'll. Yeah. All of Zach's catching a view, Jays, happens off camera, I noticed. never, oh, I mean,

and Zach got into, we teamed up on a theological venture on something I get into, so I was using him, you know, his skill set.

But I learned a lot from that couple of weeks of going back and forth. And a lot of problems that come from the theological world is that they'll make

a category of something that's not in the Bible. And they'll, they teach out of fear of not being labeled into that category that they created it. Yeah. Oh, it's a five-syllable word minimum usually.

And I told him five minutes ago, I don't support things that I can't pronounce. Because I labeled, just so you know, I labeled Jason something based on what he was saying. I said, well, that's called. And then I gave the term for it. So then I quickly did a quick Bible search and realized that the term he labeled. me is not in the Bible. So, there you go.

Of course it's got. So I do have, we have lots of stories because we've been away. Oh, on, Jay. Before you say that, I do want to, you did call me twice.

I did call you twice because I wanted to do it. And you said something when you called me both times. Do you remember what you said? Do you sound like you, it was your opening line when you called me twice over the sabbatical. I probably said, what about and then I said something. No,

you said, you were right. Oh yeah, I did say that because... That's halfway to saying I was wrong. Yeah, I did say that

because it's hard to explain, but Zach... Let's leave it. I just want to leave it where it is. I just wanted the audience to know that Jace,

and then he called me again and said, well, I hate to say it, but you were right again. And I literally, I was like, why did I not record this?

But he did say it. I did. Because... Within this theological, what can we call it? I'm looking at our friend Larry Bowles. He's in the, in the honor. He's in the wings. Was it an epiphany?

Did you have an epiphany about something? No, I was going to say theological manure, but I thought that's not a good phrase. But it's like in the theological. Manusia. Manusia. So I was like, what does this mean? And Zach told me, and I was like, no, I don't think he means that. But after further review, no, he was right.

Because Zach knows the theological minutia that I don't know. I call it theological pop culture. It's like a pop culture. The danger, though, with theology overall, what I'm saying is a lot of smart people get together that call themselves scholars, and then they'll say A plus B equals C. And none of it's in the Bible. and then they'll build a whole doctrine over it and, you know, problem starts. So we can talk about that on a future podcast.

But I have a breaking news. I heard a story that Phil doesn't know that involves Phil. Uh-oh. Well, because we already did a podcast. We do two at a time. And Phil hasn't brought this up because I was, this is the most anxious that I've been to hear a story in years. So Phil knows the story, but he doesn't know that you know the story. Exactly.

Because last night, I had my mom, Phil's wife, and we had a Memorial Day celebration. And we do, look, we want to, we just had that, and we don't take that lightly. I mean, guys, women and men have given their lives for our country. And so. Ultimate sacrifice. We had a small group of people, and mom showed up. Missy planned the whole thing, but she heard her back. And so she planned a lot of work for me.

She said, oh, I'm cooking. We got all these people coming over. It'll be great. You know, we're going to do a memorial day. And then she's like, babe, can you help me, which turned into me cooking everything. And, you know, so I didn't mind it, but it was a lot of work. So we had a good time.

But I was like, what do y'all been doing? Because I was on vacation. Kay, she told me the story about you baptizing two women in the middle of the night because I said, well, that was a little bit dangerous for Phil to be out there. She's like, oh, yeah, he did it, you know. And so, but then she told me another story. And I was like, well, I can't believe Phil has not told me this story. So I got to hear it.

She said that you now have confirmed that, Black Panthers are real. So I got to hear this. Whoa. I'm driving down or they cleared all the timber, the pine timber where they cleared it. But I just drove. Yeah. Yeah.

You get out there. It's curvy and it's out there. And on both sides, it has about three years since that. So there's scrub brush. There's scrub brush coming. I'm driving. I look to my left. and when I tell you this is what it looked like.

Now, what time of day was this? It was coming back from meeting with the brothers. It was broad daylight. I baptized six of them up there, and I've got them a rig. It's not dark and broad daylight. It's late noon. 30 in the morning. Was it sunny skies or cloudy?

I would say it cloudy, but partly cloudy, okay. But it was plenty, I'd say the distance between this particular, animal and me and the i looked to my left yeah how far was it and it just could just coming out just coming into the ditch and he was going to come right i he coming right here and as i went by he just went by me so he went behind your vehicle or behind the vehicle so he was close 20 feet he came i mean he would come from but 20 yards 20 yards so this thing just pops up And it's coming right toward my truck like this. And I looked back like that.

And I looked at him. I said, what in the world? It was a cat. No doubt about that. So there's a question you know I want to ask really bad right now. Did it have a tail? It had a tail. That's what really, really I glued in on him.

How long was the tail? The tail was almost as long as he was. But it was just a tail that came up. he was not bushy at all. He was kind of like slender. Slender. How much, I mean, but, you know, are you saying Black Panther or what are you deeming this? That's exactly where I saw a Puma.

I saw a cougar right there in almost that same spot, dad, long tail, just like you did. See, I wasn't able to ask Kay all these questions because when she said, Phil saw a black panther. They're real. So that just ended that argument. That's what she did. It was a cat. Well, what color was it, Phil?

What color was it? I would say black, but not jet black. He was dark. A little, little darker than brown. He was a little, little darker. We want to say brownish black? Brownish black, but more black than brownish. He was, and I see the line.

long tail and his ears, you know, and he's coming just... Did you have your glasses on? No. No, no glasses. But dad can still see far away. He can't see up close. Yeah. So, Dad, did you get a look at the back of his head?

Because when I, the one I saw was going up. Now, it could have been possible if we, if we, he's not a panther, a wild cat. This was a wild cat. Now, I don't know where he was a, a, some, some, Some cat that you were somebody raised and he went turned out there. I couldn't quite tell whether it was a male or a female, slender. But this was a wild cat and he was very dark. But not a bobcat.

He had a long tail. Not a bobcat. Not a bobcat. I identified mine from behind because mine was going away from me. Again, close. They got kind of splotchy colors. But mine had white tufts behind each ear. And when I looked it up on the internet, it said that was a cougar,

that a cougar has white tufts. Well, where were you at, Al, when you saw this. Similar to where dad was, I was in the, right in that turn where you go about halfway out, almost before you get to that last run before you get to Jimmy Reds. That's how he was, you know, he was, I would say, fairly long legs, not short-legged. pointing down to the floor like he wasn't very tall he wasn't he wasn't very tall he was a i was trying to think of a dog you sure it wasn't just a big old tom cat huh couldn't have been a big old tom cat not have been a big time cat now we're getting somewhere i just i'm trying to poke

home i didn't say first that there's a wild cat i just said well your wife has she's going she was going to duck commander today to buy one of uncle size shirts It has a picture of a black panther. We're talking, what are they, what's the technical word for the black panther? If not whom, I don't think he's a jaguar. Yeah, he has a picture of a jaguar and it says two words, I believe. There is a cat out there that if he ran up now in front of us and we'd all be here, I mean, I think we would all be, y'all along with me, stunned at that thing.

I mean, I thought. Well, I believe for sure, because I know what I said. Yeah, I'm not a believer. 30 years ago is when I saw it. How many pounds are we talking here, Phil? How many pounds are you thinking about? I would say this was about 25 or 30 pounds. So it's got to be a baby panther.

If it was a panther, it was a baby panther. Yeah. Boy, those babies. It could have been big foot. I mean, that's what I wasn't big foot. It was a cat. Now, I believe it was a cat, but we're just what cat. Oh, it was a cat, all right.

No doubt about it. 30-pound black cat. I have seen the largest bobcat on Jay's deer cameras that I've ever seen. I mean, it was about 30-pound bobcat, but it had a bob tail. It was no doubt about what it was. Well, the size's main evidence is when the sighting that he had of the Black Panther, unfortunately, was when I was driving. in the vehicle and he was in the passenger seat because the first thing I did,

because I'm familiar with all these stories, is I looked at his tail. There was no tail. It was a bobcat. But he was a huge bobcat. This stood out about this one. He had a long tail. Well, at least that's that.

Because you can't have a Black Panther or a whatever we're calling this without a long tail. But I was so convinced. It was a cat, but I could not. And I've looked up at a lot of cats and seeing a lot of cats across the road and all this is going in the woods, squirreling. But this was, I never had seen anything like this. It was tight skin.

I was so convinced what I saw was what you saw. I went and got you, like, because it was only about three miles from your house. I went down and said, you got to come back up here and let's see if we can find some prints. Yeah. You know, and by that, this is. And we did. And so it was like, I know this. I know what I saw, you know, so I was very convinced.

I think mine was a was a cougar or a mountain line, is what I think it was, which they do range as far as far as far as. It's quite the controversy online, though I'm looking it up here. So there's a, there's a lot of people say it do not exist in our area. Oh, a lot of people say we did a, you know, we did a bit on our treasure hunting show about this argument because I had had a recent sighting. And it was so funny because since I worked on the production side, all the producers, they were like, well, we're, it'd be nice to get some validation for people who believe this. And I said, do you think we're making this up? I said, just send out a social media post that Sye just claims to have seen a Panther.

And I said, and if you want to validate that, I said, tell them to come to Duck. commander. I said, they're going to show up. She's like, they're not going to show up for that. I was like, then you can film it, interview them, whatever you want to do. An hour later, they had to start running people off. Traffic jams started. Now, some of that was people like, hey, let's go be on a show, but it's amazing. They had signs. I mean, these people read something on social media, went to Dollar General, bought some markers, and made a sign. I believe. So I'm saying the thought is real. I'm just going to tell you, I'm looking at a video of a feline found in Louisiana and Acadia Parish.

And I mean, this thing looks like a Black Panther. I'm watching the video. And of course, the ex-expressant Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries, I think they say that's not possible. Yeah, well, they also said there's no such things as UFO. So what's interesting, Jase, is that mom was immediately, what I love about this story is that mom immediately goes in with Sai, which kind of started this conversation when you call Zach and said, well, you were right. Now she's expecting someone to call Cy and say, you were right. Yeah, my guess, my guess on this is that this is what, according to the wildlife and fisheries, bona fide cougar sightings, where they are perceived to be black, are likely darker tawny animals and low light, which makes them appear black.

You know where they got that? That's what this was. You know where they got that? Where did they get that? They got that from a little show called Duck Dynasty. We proved that on that show. Now, when you think our Duck Show, you're not thinking some grand revelation. But I proved that because Cy's biggest hang up the day he saw that, he was like, no, it was black.

Well, it was black because we saw it way down the road. It was dark. And I said, everything looks dark from a distance. And he said, no. And so we proved that when John, look, Phil, when we got John Gawain, who at that time was a couple hundred pounds heavier than he is now. He's a skinny fellow now. He's gotten skinny.

And he agreed to take his shirt off. And his flesh had not seen the sun in years. You could not have gotten. any brighter than he was, it was blinding. But when we sent him off to prove this theory, there was a distance he reached where even John Gowan, in all his glory, looked dark. So I said, case closed. And now somebody in the government wrote a blurb about that saying,

objects may appear darker than they appear at a distance. They were watching the show, Jays. They took your theory. And now it's official government. theory. Yep. Oh, that's funny. I'm glad I'm interested.

That's interesting what he said while ago because this thing was a, no doubt, a dark animal. There was no splotches on him like, you know, up around his head and his ears. Yeah. He was a one color. How long did this encounter last? Seconds was. I'm just driving along like this and I look to my left and coming out of the ditch. Yeah.

He's in the ditch. I'm in the right hand side over you. I'm coming right here. 10 seconds? Five seconds? Five seconds. But the thing is, though, here's the thing that... It could have been a wild house cat.

I mean, it turned wild. It's pretty big for a house cat. I'm not... I'm not saying that... Yeah. Well, I like that at least we have a little doubt because that makes the alleging... What's so sad is, is that this happened, I saw, the one I saw before cell phones were popular and you had one. Or I decided I had one to take a picture.

of it because that's how close it was to me. Well, that's the problem. And the second sad thing is that dad saw it and he has no phone. I mean, dad's in an error. All you needs a phone, you just take a picture of it. Yeah. So to wrap this up, I have seen a few pictures that I didn't think were doctored because you can't go by what you see on the internet because they have AI and Photoshop. That's true. But there's been a few pictures. I think we're legitimately these mountain lines that because that has been proven that they've seen. They range over. Yep. But I keep going back to when I was in Mexico and I walked up,

they had two jaguars in a big pen. And I'm like, there's no doubt that this was a Black Panther. It was a jaguar. These things were a couple hundred pounds. They're huge. And they were, oh, their paws were that big around. I mean, it wasn't like, oh, I think maybe, I'm like, people haven't seen that. or they would have taken a picture of it.

It has a giant head, too, those, the real, the real ones. Zaid, aren't those in Florida? Don't those, don't, isn't there? Black Panther? Yeah, Black Panther. I don't, I always heard the Florida Panther, but that's like a, more like a cougar. Yeah. Well, anyway, so there's something for you guys to chew on.

I know you love controversies and conspiracies, an ashamed nation. So I'm sure we'll hear, tell us your stories of what you've seen and react to this, because I know you got a lot of stories to tell with that. Jase, thank you for that story. That was amazing. I had not heard this either because I hadn't been home. Well, I didn't really get to hear it because the guy sitting on the couch who is married to a woman who helps Ms. K. out when he interrupted and then told his Panther story.

So I couldn't even interrogate my mom because he was telling me, and it was about like yours. I was like, do we have any pre-year? No, but he just said, oh, I'm telling you, they're real. I looked at him right in the eyes. But I'm a believer that if it really was a jaguar and you look at you look at him in the eyes, you wouldn't be able to report that. No, because he'd take you out. This was a cat, a wild cat, I mean, like cougars or whatever.

Yeah, cougar amount of mine. It's too small for that. He was, this was not a big thing. Yeah. Yeah, well, see, you're being honest, which is not... 25, 30 pounds. I mean, is not really recommended in the conspiracy of big cats. But I've never seen anything like that in the woods.

I've never seen that. Yeah. At that distance, because, I mean, it was like, I looked at my left, and he was right there coming into the ditch, and I was just like, shocked. I was the same way, Dad. I've seen a lot of bobcats in the woods. This was not a bobcat.

Long tail. This was not a bobcat. What I saw was not a bobcat. All right. So we're going to take a break. When we come back, we'll have our old friend L.B. Larry Bowles join us and we'll get back in the accident.

Welcome back. We've got our old friend Larry Bowles is still in town. So we're going to always love your expertise, Larry. And before we get into the text, since you were listening to the last conversation we had about the big cats, because that's a big thing in our family. And it's been going since the show. So I've got to ask you, now you guys have them in Oklahoma, right?

Well, we've got big cats. We got cougars. And I've even heard tales, tales of ocelots. Ocelots. An oscillot. Is that a cat? Oh, yeah. Look that up, Zach.

What is an os? I haven't heard the term. Oh, I've seen those before. Yeah. Those are scary. They're not, like, what are they, about 30 pounds, 40 pounds? Um, I'd say probably closer to 50. Oh, I see it.

Yeah. That looks like, oh, it has a tail. Phil, is that what you saw, an oscillite? Nope. Okay. We weeded. See, I blotts, splotchy, all that is. Yeah.

This thing here was solid like their tailed. That dark part of- Matt, he pull up a cougar and show them a cougar on there. It's got the little white tufts behind his ear. I guarantee you that's what he saw, because that's what I saw. It was a cougar. Yeah. I was convinced once I saw it.

The color, the color is. Not a cougar. All right. Do you have any other? Mount mine. Hold up. Jaguar. This thing, what I saw was not that big.

And the head wasn't that big. I mean, he was a tight-haired vehicle. I mean, a farm. Well, there's the Jaguar. I thought they were black. Was it? Well, the cars are black. under,

yeah, put them in black, now, now you're getting into the color I saw yesterday. Oh boy, look out. Jaguar. Woo. This is like the perp walk right now.

But see that, that tubular tail, it's that, it's, there's no bush. So Larry, let me ask you this, because you're from Oklahoma.

I went to Broken Bow, Oklahoma in time, stayed on the lake there. That's central for what we're talking about. So there was every time, every third house there was a someone to put out in their front yard a saskatch statue or outline or whatever and so then I was asking what's the deal and they said oh well this is where people have spotted this is big foot central yeah yeah so so what's that in oklahoma

thing the big foot it's i mean it's a thing in missouri it's a thing in in northwest arkansas as well so have you seen i've not seen one but uh you know i've seen a lot of pictures like this. Have you ever seen Dame Burley Jennings? I thought when I thought I had had a Bigfoot siding. Actually, Dane, I went to a Bible camp with him. He was my bunk mate and he came in the cabin. I was like, yeah. So this would be a perfect lead in back to our text. Because what did you say I was earlier, Zach? You accused me. Sessationist?

Oh, yeah. I said you're, I wasn't, I wasn't accusing you. You make it sound like a, you said I, because I had In between the- I was defining your position is called cessationism, which I disagreed with. Because we were talking about miraculous. We were talking about, you know, the seven sons of Skeva, they tried to have this authority and drive out these demons.

It's exactly what they said. I command you. Yeah, they were posing as someone who had authority. And I made the point in between the podcast that I said, all y'all's points were great. And I didn't mean that frivolously. I agreed. I said, but I don't think that's what it was talking about.

They were trying to pose themselves as one who had authority to do the miraculous acts of God without giving their heart to Jesus or being one of the apostles. And so because in the book of Acts, everywhere I see a miraculous, I would say it would be miraculous to be able to cast out an evil spirit. Right. Yep. And so I said all the miracles that I see either happen at Jesus's command in the Gospels or the apostles who were eyewitnesses to the resurrected Lord, Paul being a special apostle

because he had the appearance on the road. Or they laid their hands on people and gave them that power. Right. And you said, well, you're a cessationalist. And I was like, well, not sensational. Not sensationalists, but cessationist. Well, I think I'm sensational. But I want to say this. I am a cessation.

What is it again? Sessationalist. Now you got me. When it comes to Bigfoot and Black Panthers, I am that. I believe that ceased to exist at some point. And but as far as miracles, I said, no, I'm not going to invent a category and say, well, therefore, God would never do a miracle. Because who am I?

I'm saying in the book of Acts, these miracles were happening either at the apostles who were chosen as eyewitnesses of the resurrection. That's 1st Corinthians 9-1. He said, am I not an apostle? Have I not witnessed the resurrected Lord? first again, then it's 15, it says the same thing. Or they laid their hands on them. I'm like, in the book of Acts, that's what happened.

And Jay's to your point, you remember we had some situations earlier in Acts where people were trying to get the gift of the miraculous for their own well-being. How can I buy this? Yeah. Yeah. That was Simon. Yeah, he had, I think that's the part that it's, they asked the question. He saw that the gift of, that these gifts were given at the laying a, on the hands of the apostles.

Right. Right. And he's so I think the reason that the limitations are there that Jason is talking about is because it only needed to be in the hands of those who would point people to Jesus, which brings us to the point here of the sons of Skiva. I think it's a very, I think the reason Luke included, because he didn't have to include that in the story, but he did. And I think the reason he did is because this whole thing is about the Jews trying to hold

on to what they've always known. I mean, they got their heels, Doug. again because it's like we can't accept Jesus is Lord, but we've still got to be relevant. And I see this as a pretty desperate act on the part of these sons of the chief priest. They're trying to do something in the power of the flesh, and not in the power of Christ. And another thing, another angle to this, I remember Peter and John, they're on the way to the temple, and there's this lame guy. And he comes up and asks for money.

And he said, silver and gold, I don't have, but what I've got, I give you. you in the name of Jesus get up and walk. They did not know that they're about to do a miracle. It's like, hey, there's a lame guy. Let's go over there and heal that guy. I mean, so many of these miracles happen really kind of not in their own thinking, in their own actions, but it's something Jesus is doing in that moment. I didn't know we were going to heal a lame guy today, but, you know, this is what,

And they wouldn't say that they healed him. They would say, in the name of Jesus, get up and lock. You know, this is Jesus doing this. My point is, even in modern day, if we call things where God works, miracles, I mean, I'm okay with that because it's a supernatural, you know, thing that's happened. I mean, if you pray and, you know, you have doctors given one diagnosis and something happens, if somebody wants to call it a miracle, okay. But it seems like in the book of Acts, when they did a miracle, it was defying the law of nature, physics, gravity. It was something that was used as a sign to support what they were saying. Right.

Well, they were, yeah, it gives validation. These signs and miracles are validation of the message. Yeah, I think it was primarily apostolic power was given. as validation for the establishment of this concept that the kingdom has now been inaugurated. The inauguration of the kingdom that came in Jesus. And so, because I think it's like what I think what that's happening here is that they wanted, the way I would say it is they wanted the benefits of the kingdom without the king. So they were saying, I mean, I mean, they were high priests.

I don't, I don't think these people were Christians. They weren't following Jesus, you know what? But they're saying, man, we want his stuff, but we don't want him. Well, the same is true when people come to Christ. I want the life that Jesus has for me, but I don't want to lose my life to get it. Yeah, I don't want the sacrifice. I don't want, yeah, which is that's the, that is honestly where I think we're in our cultural moment is, as you see it with like kind of like the secular utopia vision that is being promised right now to the world.

And it's cracking. It's falling apart because we want the kingdom, but we don't want the king. And I realized this recently when we had, we just had a ton of people coming to our church from all kind of crazy backgrounds, New Age, mysticism, Buddhism, all these different backgrounds. And one of the guys, Jordan Hall, he's gone all over the world, tried to find Utopia. He came out of Silicon Valley, made his money, and, like, has spent the last, I don't know how many years, like, just trying to find utopia. And then when we started meeting together, he, after several months, he said, you know, it's funny. My wife and I realize that we've been looking for the kingdom all this time, and we didn't know it because we didn't know about the king. And it was like, it just hit me.

Like, you're, they want, they see the goodness of it, but like, you can't establish it. So these guys are coming in saying, we want to borrow Jesus' name, like a name only, right? Not really what all that means. We say in the name of Jesus, when the apostles were doing it in the name of Jesus, they were doing it under the authority of Jesus. They were doing it under the commission of Jesus. They were doing it under the rule and the reign and the proclamation that Jesus is the king. And they're just saying, no, we just want the actual word. We'll take the word, the name, the way it sounds, and then hope that we can get all the stuff that comes with it.

That's Matthew 17. completely miss it all. Yeah, Matthew 721, exactly. What's the Matthew 721? Not everyone who says, Lord, Lord. Didn't we cast out demons in your name and in your name? And people don't want, they're not seeking the glory of Christ in that moment. What they want is authority for themselves. Let me show you.

Let me read this next three verses because the results of what happens is exactly what you guys have been talking about. in verse 17 it says when this became known to the Jews and the Greeks living in Ephesus. So everything that we just said, the stuff with the sons of Skeva, the stuff that had been happening with Paul, when this became known, all Jews and Greeks were seized with fear. And the name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honor. Amen. So that was the results of this thing that happened. Jesus' name is elevated.

Exactly. And is glorified by this epic failure of these men. Many of those who believe, now look at the transformation power, many of those who believe now came and openly confess their evil deeds. A number who had practiced sorcery, this will be right up their alley, right? Brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls,

the total came to 50,000 drachmas in, Basically, that's a dropment as a day's wages. So that's 50,000 days wages. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. Yeah. And it says, in this way, the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power. So what in essence has brought revival into this city.

And we didn't even get into the Temple of Artemis and all that because it's fixing to come up in the next segment. Right. And in terms of the implications of economics and all that. But there's a revival now that's broken out. And it's because of the name of the Lord Jesus. I mean, that's what's brought that to happen. The name that is above every other name. And, you know, Jesus is like, like back to that Matthew 7, a lot of people out there using my name.

And he's like, you don't mess with my name. He's teaching the disciples how to pray, our Father, Your Honor in heaven, hallowed be your name. I mean, your name is so holy that the Jews didn't even say it. You know, and so they came up with all of these other names except for this I am. And then Jesus gets there and he drops the I am before Abraham was born. I am. And that's, I mean, that's the thing is like, what other proof do you need? He's claiming to be God in the flesh, which is exactly his point.

Yeah, it's like we, I think we tend to interpret this, and we should wrongly interpret this as like a magic password that we get. Right. Got I ask in Jesus' name and I'll give it to you. Like the password is. What's the password? Jesus. Okay, here you are. His name is not a password.

Like, he has, his person is the way, the truth and the life. And nobody comes to the father except for him. So when the Bible talks about casting out demons the name of Jesus or doing anything in the name of Jesus, it is a proclamation of his kingship over us. It's also a proclamation that it has nothing to do with me. And that's, every time we see the apostles do that, it is, I've got nothing. I don't have anything, but what I've got is the name of Jesus. It's what Francis Schaefer called active passivity.

Like, we don't do anything but yield. You know, I think that's that you yield under the supremacy of Christ and under the power of Christ, under the rule and the reign of Christ. And then through that, then we try to become like him. And so that's the hard thing because our work. we know we don't work to be saved. I mean, that's very clear in scripture that your works don't save you,

but there is all this stuff about doing stuff. But the motivation for doing stuff is so that we will become like him and experience the transformation that happens through our submission to him and our yielding to him. And then we look back over what Eugene Peterson calls a long obedience in the same direction.

Over a 20-year span of your life, you're like, man, I'm not the same guy. Yeah, I can speak to that. In the last 10 years in our ministry to Muslims overseas, I mean, you know, it's amazing. My view of what Jesus will actually do, you know, he came to seek and save the loss. Guess what he's still doing? He's still seeking and saving. I've never led anybody to Christ that he hadn't found and brought to me.

And so, you know, I'm a missionary that doesn't do any evangelism. all I do is, you know, wait for the next person who will come through the door because he is knocking on those doors. He's making himself known. And it's just, you know, and so we'll begin to study the Bible together. These people have never held a Bible in their hands, and they're looking at this and they're reading all of this. And, yeah, Jesus is God in the flesh. And, you know, weeks go by, and they understand this. And they're like, I just, there's something that.

just I can't really step over that line. And I will say, just go home and ask him to show himself to you, because that's exactly what he said in John 15. I'm going to come and I'm going to show myself to you. And it is not the fact that he does. It is the speed at which he does it. They'll come back to me the next morning. Guess what? I've had a dream. I've had a vision. I'm ready. I'm ready to confess Christ and be baptized. And so I'll walk in American churches and say, you know, and tell these stories. And, you know, it's like, brother, I don't know if I believe that. And I'm like, friend, I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just telling you what I'm seeing. And so, yeah, he's living and moving. He's active. He's alive. He's seeking. He's knocking. And everybody we meet is, is, it knows of him.

Well, Larry, what amazes me is in the people that you're witnessing life change and transformation is a lot like what we're reading about in this text. It's a point of no return because when they make this decision to Christ, they're cutting off all family ties. They're cutting off many of them going back home. They're burning the scrolls. They're burning the scrolls. Yeah, they are burning the scrolls. It costs them absolutely everything. Which I think that's what's so interesting about your ministry.

and the first time I heard you speak, you know, I felt this. I mean, you, what you're doing that I think is a lesson, even outside, because I'm doing the same kind of,

I guess, tactic in a different culture, not a, not a culture of, of Islam, but a culture of kind of the new age mysticism. But it's the same thing. I want to just show them who God is.

And who is the triune God? Your heavy emphasis on the inner life of the Trinity, I think is paramount here because they, but, but, But when we get to that place where everybody gets to that place where they can't get over the hump. And I think we're afraid to tell people what you're telling those people because we're afraid that what if Jesus doesn't show up. You know what I mean?

But if somebody earnestly is seeking him and ask, God, show me yourself. Yeah. I'm with you. He's going to do that. This is Revelation 320. Behold, I stand at the door and I knock. Whoever would open that door, I'm coming in. Yeah.

What we're trying to do is we're trying to say, no, I want to make sure we can explain it adequately so that you can get it. And we think that the power's in our explanation of it or our presentation of it when the truth is, it's not in our presentation. It's in his revelation. So if we ask God to reveal himself to us, he is a loving father. He will reveal himself to us. That's why when you remember when Peter said in Acts 4, there's no other name under heaven by which men can be saved. When you read about this and the power of his name and this setting of where we are, way now moving forward all the way in Ephesus,

you're still seeing that the power of salvation and change relies in Jesus and it transforms people. And I love it because don't you love this public proclamation that these guys are doing? It took me back to Mack Owen's story when Mack tells his story about the morning, the Sunday morning when he recognized that his life could go no further. and he had to turn to Christ. The first thing he did was he took all of his drug paraphernalia that he had hidden in little places all around his house and property

and he gathered it all together and he burned it in his trash barrel. And then the next thing he did was he pick up the phone. He called Ray Melton and said, I need to come talk to you. And that began his role of transformation. This is the guy now who is over all of the celebrate recoveries in North America. And the reason that happened is because, because he was willing to publicly burn that which the evil one had had hooked to him and then

call on the name of Jesus, which is very powerful. And I do want to mention, because while we have Larry here, because I always forget to do it, acrocenter.org is where you can go if you want to support Larry's ministry, because it's a fantastic way. My dad told me the same thing when I came to know Christ, and you guys are a big part of that story. I think we've talked about on here before. when Jep and I both were living together in the wilderness,

not living for Christ for sure. And I had repented, but the problem I had was that I was still kind of falling back into the same stuff, like over and over again, like repeatedly. And my dad told me something that stuck with me all these years, and it really fits into this text. He said, you don't understand the point of temptation. You think temptation is when you're at a bar with, all your friends and someone says, hey, you want to, you want a beer?

And he said, that's not the point of temptation for you. The point of temptation for you is when those old friends that you've been acting this way with say, hey, what are you doing tonight? And he said, that's the point when you, when you have to decide which way am I going to go. I'm going to go back to these old relationships that were leading me into a lot of evil, or am I going to cut that off and burn all that? And that's what was happening here with these guys. You've got to burn the scroll sometimes. Sometimes you got to put everything behind you. that I don't have the power to go into these situations and face this temptation when I'm right at the end of the temptation.

It starts way before that. And so these guys were willing to abandon that. And I think there's a lesson here for how we deal with temptation and how we deal with idols in our own life. I want to be the kind of person that's going to burn the scrolls over and over and over again as the Holy Spirit reveals to me these things that are taking the place of God in my life. I want to be that guy that burns them. And progressively, I think that's what. the walk looks like. It's more and more uncovering of those and then destroying those idols, those things that take us away from him. I made a point in the sermon Sunday is that Satan did not

walk into the Garden of Eden with a weapon of mass destruction. He came in simply with an idea, a little piece of false theology about God. God's not enough. You need something more than that. And Paul urges us to just demolish arguments that set themselves up against the authority of God and to take captive every thought and make it obedient to Christ. And it's that point of temptation you're talking about, Zach. That's when that happens. Here comes this idea, just an idea, and what am I going to do with it? The ideas are coming.

You can't ever stop the ideas. And so it's, I'm a visual kind of learner. If you ever talk to somebody through a screen door, you know, you're talking, you can see them, you're talking, but it's kind of a filter. I want that filter in front of me and the world that is Christ. Everything is going to come through that filter. And any piece of theology, any temptation, anything that penetrates that, I want to immediately stop and make it obedient to the person of Jesus Christ. And that's the only defense that we have against that point of temptation or that the little

pieces of theology that gets stuck to us. I'm driving down the road the other day and I'm listening to Christian radio and I'm singing along with the song and a line comes out of one of the songs and I'm like, wait a minute, I'm not sure I believe that or not. Oh, I do that all that all. That was my whole point about bringing up the cessation. Yeah. Ism.

There you can. He's not letting it die. I'm not letting it die because people. People will hear me taught and they say, oh, well, Jay Studden, you know, believe in, he's limiting God, he's putting God in the box. I'm like, no, I just made an observation

that it seems like when these miracles were happening, it was either Jesus, the apostles, or somebody the apostles that laid their hands on. They're like, well, you're a cessationism. I'm like, hang on, let me go look that up. And by they, he means me. And then you'll read the definitions, and it's like, well, God no longer works supernaturally in the world. I'm like, well, I don't believe that.

That's the problem I have. It kind of goes back to the Black Panther thing. You hear a story. You analyze it. Yeah. And you're trying to make truths based on, you know, what happened here. And I just think that's a dangerous. It is.

And that's exactly what I articulate. You grow up with a lifetime of that kind of. of teaching and then you go into a mission field like this and you see Jesus doing what he's doing no I totally believe in the miraculous power because even in the miracles but I haven't got anything to do with it well why were they doing the miracle what what was the point of it they were saying you can't have this kind of power without Jesus the king I mean that goes back to Matthew 16 when when Peter said when Jesus said who do you who do people say the son of man is and And he eventually said, you're the Christ, the Son of Living God.

Yeah. But Jesus's response, very interesting because he said, this wasn't revealed to you by the flesh, you know, by man. It was revealed to you by my father in heaven. And so then he, you know, tells him this great news. You'd think everybody's happy. I'm going to build my church and I'll give you the keys to the kingdom. So everybody's happy. and then Jesus begins explaining that he had to suffer and die and be killed and on the third day, be raised,

and then Peter, I mean, this is the next paragraph. Right. He takes Jesus to the side and says, not just, I don't agree with you, rebukes Jesus. Right. And it's like, no. And you remember what Jesus said, this is satanic. Mm-hmm. Get behind me.

You're not, you recognize me in the Son of God, but you don't. like the plan for the son of God, which is to die, because he wants to go right in with, you know, weapons and take over and lift the oppression against the Jewish people. Hold on, I can't hear Phil. He's out of here. Well, so we're out of time, and Dad's left the building, so I guess he was letting us know we're out of time. Larry is, it's always a blessing to have a little bit.

It's always a blessing for me to be here. Thank you. So I'll leave you with two sermon titles. I got out of our discussion today. One, have you burned the scrolls? Oh, yeah. That's going to be a sermon I got to preach one day. And the second one is, which will lead us into the next podcast,

from revival to riot in three verses. Wow. Because that's what's about to happen next. So we'll talk about that. There you go. Larry, bless and having you brother. We'll see you next time. I'll be ashamed.

What did Phil say? He says, I got to take a leak. I don't know. Maybe he should leave it in. That might have hit the mic. I couldn't hear. Well, let's just make this the end, right. This can be the end, Maddie.

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