Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 9 | Willie vs. Jase, Snake Attacks, and Cain and Abel

Episode Date: June 23, 2019

Willie and Jase take the long way home after a fight. The crew talks about snake encounters and takes a look at how sin first began to affect humanity. See more episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1   To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am Unashamed What about you? All right, so Jay's made our coffee today Yeah And it's pretty stout I said boy, this is too strong What do you say, Phil?

That is literally perfect So if it's So if it's so strong To us That you just barely can drink it As like now we're at your starting point I mean I had an event last night in Tyler, Texas.

I drove. So I got in late. And so I just, I woke up, you know, you just felt like you've been run over by a truck. So I made. I hadn't been up very long as well. I got the shade zone. So Jay, Jason calls me, he's like 15 minutes

before we're supposed to be here to do the podcast. And he's like, are we doing a podcast today? I know. Yeah. We're supposed to be doing about 15 minutes. But if you're calling me, it's going to be, it takes us a little while to get out of here. Well, the backstory was,

Missy come in there and said, I thought you were doing a podcast. I was like, what's today? You know. So now you know what my life is like to pull this off. It was a good event, by the way. This is a yehaha, a cup of coffee. What do you call it Russian tap dance?

Russian tap dance. When you drink some of this, you're ready to do that. That is a cup of coffee. Well, I notice when you combine very strong coffee with the Holy Spirit, oh, you got something. It produces energy, almost of a supernatural. That's what we need. Now, so the fate down here, Dad, I get here today. And the first thing I noticed is for the first time in months,

I'm able to drive into your house. I mean, the water has finally receded. The hazards of living in a on an island, basically, with water all the way around you, except one little pig tail, pig trail. pig trail through the woods. We've been that way, as hard as it is to believe, almost seven months. High water has come right up to my house.

What's amazing is when you first pulled over this hill right here because I was in the vehicle and you said, we'll take it. Yeah. Because it's surrounded by water. It's in a flood zone. It's cheap because no rational thinking human would live here. We got seven acres of land and two houses for 29, grand. That's where we started down here. Well, you fast forward 40 years and here we're doing

here we're sitting here we're sitting here pontificated. So it worked. But the bottom line is the hazards of that particular lifestyle is as follows. Now Bobo, he's my guard dog and a snake wrangler on the side. So the first snake in the last 30 days, he's been bitten twice. by very poisonous cotton-mouthed mocclesons. Because you got higher water, you got more snakes. More snakes. So you've got to take them out. The first one, he

bade the snake. I'm out there picking up Mayhawls, and I see him over there. He's looking at me, and he said, I got one here. That's what he was telling me. I said, I'll be over in a minute. So I got my Mayhawls. I went around in the boat, got out, walked over there, picked up my weapon,

and I walked over to where the snake was. I knew he had a snake bade. And the snake would try to get away and he'd cut him off. So I looked down and it's a cotton mouth about a two and a half footer, you know, pretty good size girth on him. Water mugs and poison. Water muck's cotton mouth.

Extremely poisoning. You bet you're very important. So I raise up to shoot him. Bobo's watching me. So I raised up to shoot him. When he saw me raise that gun up, he said it's kill time. Well, instead of waiting on me to. disable the snake to where it'd be easier for him.

I was just going to disable the snake. I said, I wasn't worried about a headshot. I just said, it was in the weeds. I said, let me just get in here and slow the snake down where Bobo will finish him off. But Bobo decided that I can handle it without you shooting. So he runs in there. And the idea of a snake wrangler is to pick up the snake, but you better start shaking him immediately.

Immediately. very hard, so he can't get to you. Well, during the shaking process, the snake caught him right up under his jaw. Wham? So I know he's snake bit. Bobo still kills him. Oh, he kills him. And he walks away, but he's staggering.

Within seconds, he's staggering. I said, son, you should have waited until I got a couple of bullets in him. It would have been better, but he didn't listen. Well, within a- I love the conversation between that and both. Within an hour, the side of his head is bigger than this glass. It looks like a volleyball right here. So it gets way out here.

Well, he just lays up the rest of the night. He's sick. He's kind of, his stomach is upset. He's doing a little throwing up. Ms. Kay says, you think you ought to carry him to the vet? I said, well, that's about the 10th time he's been bitten. He's built up a pretty good immunity. I said, I think he'll be all right.

Well, the next morning he's all swelled up, you know, but he didn't move much for about two or three days. He just stayed there. We kept a little water for him. Well, the swelling starts down. It healed up where the snake bit him rotted out a little hole right up under his jaw there. It scabbed up. Within three or four days, he's back out there after him again.

Well, it wasn't two or three weeks. I see some other dogs, Bobo's with me inside the house. I look outside and I see a bunch of dogs gathered up. They're watching something on the ground. I said, hmm, well, that's where everybody's walking back and forth to the house. Well, I didn't want the women to get bit, so get bitten. So I said, well, let me get out there and see what we got. So I got my rifle.

I walk out there. There is a cotton mouth and even called up. It wasn't over this big. So he's a little bitty cotton mouth. I'm saying, which doesn't matter because they're just. just as lethal. Tell me about it. In fact, the young ones are a three more.

So here's a six to eight inch long little bitty cotton mouth called up, and the dogs are the neighborhood dogs. They're on him, my neighbor's dog and two or three more pounds. I don't know where they came from. But I got Bobo, the snake wrangler. He's healed up from the previous bite. He's spinning his wheels saying, just show me where the snake is. I'll get him.

He's mad about that last one that bit it. When we go out there, I just stick the 22 rifle. about that far over the coral snake because he couldn't reach me. I just put the barrel of the gun within about six inches of him. The cotton mouth opened his mouth like that. Well, I just put it like that, but I wasn't aiming. I just were pointing. Well, when I shot, the bullet barely missed his head but got him in the body.

But he's not but seven inches long. I thought, how much damage could you do? Well, Bobo, when I shot, he said, I got it. Well, he learned his lesson from the last. He waited to a shot. He waited until a shot. And I said, well, let me get somewhere. But when he grabbed him as he's shaking him, he shook him once up this way,

and the snake was able to bite him right under his eyeball, right in your eyelid, right here. Well, the fan goes in, the blood's coming out where he bit him. I said, that's a good thing. Well, he staggers around out of that a little bit, kills the snake. That time, he didn't sweat up that much, but he was sick. well after about three days he's roaming around again i look at his eye and it's his his eyeball is about the color of this right here cloudy blue yeah you know you've seen them cahoole of cur dogs they get blue eye yeah well he's got that poison inside that eyeball

well miss k say well well you know we don't want them to lose his eye so i said well a one-eyed dog i mean country western singer they sing about a one-eyed dog but anyway they get the dog are you me with the one eye does. So Bobo went to the vet. The last word I heard from the vet is the poison had gotten inside the eyeball. Infection had set in. So they're giving him a mountain and got him on a regimen. I don't know how you care a dog. You've been bitten eye by a snake, but they said, we think we can save the eye. So they're working on it. I figured one eye, but you know if you're a snake wrangler, you need both eyes. You need both eyes because he's going to have a blind spot. You know he's not going to stop. Well, that's an update when the water comes in the yard.

That's just some of the offshoots of what transpires, but at least they're biting the dogs instead of us. So there you go. They're our first line of defense. Got to happen. It's a wacky world down here on the river, and a lot of these people in New York are saying, good grief. I mean, you know, y'all fighting snakes to get in and out of there.

Well, it's funny the kind of stuff we basically live with, and we grew up this way. But now we're a little more, we're in town. We don't deal with these type of situations quite as much as we used to. We're a little more civilized. That's why you hold these dogs in such high regard. That's right. Because there's been a mini a moment.

I'll let the dog go in. You know, if I'm walking down the bank with Bobo, I'm letting him. He's basically saying I'm on point. The coast is clear. You got it. Trust me, when he runs up on one, you know it. You know it.

So part of the life on the river and having good dogs, which is awesome. I've been getting a lot of good comments from folks that have been listening in and watching just about, you know, what we've been talking about in the Bible. And last time we kind of got into Genesis 3 and 4. And we've been just kind of started at the beginning of the Bible. And we've been talking about, of course, how God created everything that we see, why he did it. And then we've been talking about, you know, the very first human beings, how sin came

into the world through them. And that's kind of where we left off is how that's beginning. to impact us, even all these years later, as we look at it in the scriptures. Even my dog, Bobo, would agree that serpents are dangerous. That's right. So it's not by accident that Satan is portrayed as a serpent. That's right. Because even Bobo would say that he needs to be killed and stamped out of your life.

Well, we talked about that. Remember of Genesis 315, which was a reference to Christ, I will put enmity between you and the woman when he's speaking to Satan. But also, that's come forward even in the vessel that Satan was possessing. That is correct. And the serpent was made to slither along the ground, so whatever he was prior. Well, you would think he had legs before that. Something different, exactly.

Which I think explains some of the evolutionary process too. I mean, I think the account in Genesis is basically giving you human beings. and overall about the origin of mankind and the earth, in a way you can understand it. I mean, obviously, we're following and serving a being that is above your capacity to grasp fully. If you could really understand him in detail, he wouldn't be who he is.

Even physical serpets, cotton mouths, crawls, coralsnakes, rattlesnakes, and copperheads. We have all four here. Yep. Just the idea of that kind of danger being all around you all the time. It's a pretty good, what would you call it?

Depiction of. Of the evil one. Yeah, of the evil. There's no doubt. Dangerous, he'll hurt you. You have to be careful. All the things are going. Especially at cotton mouth, because that cotton mouth,

unlike other snakes, he doesn't seem to have that fear of human beings. You crowd him, he's like, they're aggressive. This is my territory. Most wild, yeah. animals go the other way. But he's like, no, I'm standing my grave. And Bobo will attest that he is one dangerous thing. So to prove and to prove this idea about

this enmity idea between us and snakes, somebody in the state of Louisiana has been a few years ago, they took a fake snake, but a big one, big old rattlesnake and laid him out on the side of the road on a shoulder. And then they wanted to see what happened. People reaction. Just a little sociology study. I think they said he was, the snake was run over. over 542 times within the first two hours. The boy and the girl were napping. They had a boy and a girl napping. The eunuch showed me this other day on the black box.

He said, look at that. Well, it was a couple. That's a phone, by the way. Yeah, they were sleeping and taking a nap out on some parking lot. Right beside them within feet was about a three and a half, four foot rattlesnake that had just, just, they were within feet of them. Some deputy sheriff pulled up, parents, and saw it. And he gets out of his car.

He said, don't move, don't make a move. He said, and the snake was just easing away from them, had been right beside him. And the deputy said, there's a four-foot rattlesnake right beside you. When I tell you to get up, get up and run, I noticed that the guy got up and left the chick lying there. But the guy got up in Adios and she was like, oh, he got into every man for himself mode. Yeah, I bet they had marital problems.

Yeah, they probably had to see a counselor after that way. They probably broke up over that. When I was in school, the worst whipping I ever saw, you know, delivered, you know, kids fight. You know, I don't know, we were junior high or whatever. But one of these new kids from the city came out there and he had the old fake snake trip. you know, put the snake out there, people holler. And boy, did he get a butt whipping for that. I thought, you don't do that out.

There's so many poisonous snakes out here. We don't play. This is not funny in this area because, you know, look, I've been literally six inches away from a cotton mouth trying to strike me with his mouth open. I mean, you remember the day we were hunting? Because you're vulnerable in the winter. You were in a P-Rog, weren't you?

Yeah. And they'd sun down low. His thing was head-high. We were hunting at Cyprus break up the creek, and a bunch of dogs come in, boom, by boom, boom, boom, and one of them, you know, went down. I went to try to retrieve him, so I'll run back there. But I stepped on a log, of course, this is hindsight. The log was, it was a floating duck blind on logs. On logs, but it had a hole in it.

And when I stepped on it, it gave. In fact, I remember it to the point of, I need to get off this log because I thought, you know, here we go. We got, you know, the log game going on. and so I jumped in the P-row, which is never a good idea. It almost, you know, fell over, but I was in a hurry. So get to P-row paddle, get the duck. Well, when I come back to that log, I was pulling the P-row up there. Well, that cotton mouth had come out of that log.

And when I looked down, he was culled up on the edge of the law. Eye level. Yeah, and he, and in a flash, I mean, just a blink, he struck. Of course, I literally. I literally blacked out. The last thing I remember was that cotton mouth coming at my nose. Fangs out. And I blacked out and boom, I shot.

So I forgot that part. It's a window in my mind. So let me fill in the gap because I'm inside the blind. So I hear Jace and you kind of hear a little bit of a bump. And here's what I heard. Yeah. Boom. It was like this sound, but it wasn't like a normal.

like it was it was a panicked you found out what that it that that's a sound that you didn't know you made the snake bit yeah I didn't know it was some kind of guttural terror yeah that I have it was like one beat and then it was boo when somebody fires a shotgun right behind you I mean it got our attention I do remember I picked up what was left of the snake and I showed it to remember yeah when I he you know how their nerves will still move after their death remember his nerve moving I dropped that snake and shot it again. Basically,

it just, yeah, there was literally nothing left and blew a hole in the blind. And I'm like, you were scared, Jason. Oh, I was running scared, buddy,

you know. Well, when you read the story in Genesis, I think that's how we should feel over the spiritual forces of evil, you know, Ephesian 6.

Sean Evil. That's how, if you get that kind of mindset that it's a cotton mouth coming fangs open because at that point is too late. I mean, it could have bit me. It was just the physics of it all is why I survived or maybe, you know, God Almighty intervene.

One of those two things happened, but it wasn't that he didn't try to bite me in the face. It just, he came close. But you think about it across the span of time, that's why it makes sense that snakes have always been persona non grata, people don't like them, people are afraid of it, even if you didn't even know to be afraid. that connection to evil, I think, that we see from the Genesis account. Well, the non-believers will say they took that, that was here already, you know, what came first, and that's why they used it.

Right. But as a believer, I think the reason it came before. It's pretty interesting because some snakes are good snakes. Right. They're like king snakes. They're the ones that swallow cotton mouths whole. That's right. So when we see a king snake, we say, ooh, don't bother him.

Or a rat snake? He's good. He's good. What was your rat snake? You had a rat snake that lived out in the duck commander deal, and you wouldn't let us hurt him because you called him a name, a Pete or something. He said, leave old Pete alone. He's eating the rats around him.

So a rat snake looks like some kind of viper. Because he's got the horn-looking deals. Oh, you would think, now that thing will hurt you. But he won't. No. And Dad said, don't hurt him. So we learned that, which snakes were good, which snakes were bad, which ones you shoot, which ones you don't. I told my kids.

Which is pretty interesting, even in the snake world and the evil world. Well, there are good people out there, you know, that you do what's right. So you say, you know, it's a, that's right. God was pretty smart in portraying the evil one as a serpent. He's far bigger and more powerful than a cotton mouth. I can tell you that. But you notice those snakes are always lurking. When I hear somebody tell a story and say, oh, I killed a cotton mouth other day,

and they start telling a story. And you know, you've had the same thing happen. And you know whatever he killed wasn't a cotton mouth. Because he's describing a story and what they do, that's not what they are. dude. They're like, all that thing was six foot long, you know, and that big, I'm thinking, nope, what wasn't a cotton mound? You know. I was in New York. We were doing a show for a new book. And so we're in the back on the hair and makeup, you know, and there's a guy there. And so I'm telling him the Bovo story that you just told. And it was funny. So I tell him, and this guy's never seen,

he said, I've never seen a snake in my life. But when I was telling him the story about the snake biting the dog, he literally like, you know, like his, he had a tremor. in his body. And I thought, well, that shows you how frightening. This guy's never even seen one in the way. He lives in New York City. He doesn't have seen a snake in his life. But it physically had a tremor just from either what he'd seen on television or whatever.

But again, it's that, I think it goes back to that nature. We talked about how that sin once introduced began to have this sort of cascade effect on not just Adam and Eve and their reaction to God. Because, of course, it broke the relationship. but then as it began to go forward, which is what we want to talk about today, it then began to affect all humanity. So you get into Genesis 5, you start seeing the generations. Of course, the first sons that we see it impacted were Kane and Abel. We talked about that last time.

Kane was jealous of his brother over the sacrifice, which, by the way, this idea of sacrifice comes about after sin as well, and that will get expanded. We'll talk about that as we go through the whole Bible. But we see the first reaction on this jealousy, which we had never seen jealousy before, but it ran itself out so strong in Cain that he murdered his brother over God being more pleased about his sacrifice. So now we're seeing this idea of vengeance, murder, all these new things that we've never seen before in the Bible, because we're just barely into it.

So we're seeing sin spread. Once the separation occurred, which there's a lot of, lot of different views on how that effect. You know, some people believe that because Adam and Eve sin, that you're like born into that sin. I lean toward the idea of once they were separated, it just now gave the opportunity for every human to go through that same process. That's right.

I agree. You know, there's a difference because a lot of people are why I just can't help it. Well, you can. You just choose not to. I mean, you have that ability to choose and all sin once they reach an age. You know, I know we all share that same view. I believe, you know, babies are innocent, 100%. They're not, you know, like if, you know, God forbid, you know, a baby dies, which happens,

I'm 100% sure that that baby is safe. Yep. as opposed to saying people like us who have sin and are separated from God, and we understand what Jesus did, we understand that we're saved. So you have safe, then you have lost, which is the separation, you know, from God. Then you have saved. That's the way I tend to view humanity. We inherited Adam's sinful nature.

We all inherit his nature. Right. The nature like the choice. Which is the ability to know the difference between, remember the tree was the knowledge of good and evil. Correct. You don't want to mess. Don't touch that and don't eat that fruit because if you do, you'll die. Well, when we're infants, our sinful nature has not kicked in because our conscience has not been developed yet to know the difference.

If you're an infant in a crib, you know nothing about lying, stealing, immorality, drunkenness, you know nothing about that. Your conscience is not there to recognize evil. I think Galatians 519 has a curious but profound word when it says the sinful nature, which or the flesh is some of it. It says the sinful nature is obvious. It's not something that's a gray area.

It's obvious what sin is, whether people claim that or not. People that are non-believers, a lot of them will say, well, you know, how do you really know? No, it's obvious. We understand, and it has a list there that are obvious sins.

Well, it's also obvious when you look at a kid, and I mean, you know, a young kid, they're not, they don't have that maliciousness about them. Even if they do something where they understand the English language where they do something that's wrong, they're not understanding the gravity, of the sinful nature at that point. So I deem them as safe.

I think it's fine to dedicate them, you know, some religion to dedicate them to the Lord. That's fine. But at some point they're going to reach, you know, as Romans 7-9 says, that commandment comes to their counter- Where there is no law, sin is dead. You say, so an infant,

there's no law because their mind has not developed enough, to know the difference between good and evil. Where there's no law, there's no sin. How old a little kid know that I don't need to be lying and I don't need to be stealing in your two years old? They wouldn't know that. But as their conscience develops, then all of a sudden, their sinful nature,

they inherited from Adam kicks in. Here comes the law, and we know the difference between good and evil because our conscience tells us that was not. I shouldn't have done that. I lied to my mother. I know I'm not telling the truth here, but... Which I think is an evidence...

Well, that's right. I think that's one of the strongest evidences of God. I do too. When thinking about it, it was Adam and Eve. They were adults, but they were just what you described in a child because they didn't know until they made a knowledgeable choice to know.

And so that's exactly what has to happen with children. So here's the way it lays out. Jay's talked about the flesh, which is most of the older versions. uses that word, the newer stuff uses sinful nature. So we talk about living by that. So the division you see in the New Testament is this idea about are we driven by the flesh or by the spirit?

You'll see that divide quite a bit. Paul uses a lot. Easily recognized. Exactly. So do I live by the carnal fleshly part of me or do I live by that part that says, you know what? I don't think that's right to do. I mean, that's destructive.

I don't want to do that. That's where that conscious kicked in. so we see that division. If you go back in time to where we're at in Genesis, these are the first people. So this idea of division happens. So Kane kills Abel, and then there's another son called Seth that comes along.

Seth basically, in the wording used in Genesis, he was one of the sons of God. In other words, he knew that I wanted to live not by the flesh. Unfortunately, Kane's line as it begins to run out, when you read this in Genesis 4 and 5, you start seeing that, well, once sin runs out, you know, there was one of his sons, sons, I think. And we read about him in Genesis 5. You know, it was pretty evident.

It was one man, one woman. That's how God created it. And that was the way everybody was living. And all of a sudden, this guy, Lamek, says he had two wives. And it doesn't give an explanation. It just was stated a matter of fact that he had two wives. And then he has this little statement. I tell you what, if Kane is a, you know, you know,

you know, seven times, I'm going to kill 77 times. Like he was so full of vengeance. He was a product of Cain that his life was out of control. I mean, he's just, he's married and whoever he wants to. He's, he's, I'm going to kill everybody and violence. And so we see this divide get bigger and bigger. And it becomes a sexual free-for-all. That's right.

All the way to Noah, you know. And by the time you get to Noah, you're like, their every thought's evil. I mean, God said, I'm sorry I made them. Once there... And he said the violence had reached... Where's that verse? It's in Genesis 6.

Violence had reached a point of something? It's verse 5. Genesis 6.5. What was it said? The Lord saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. Yep.

Well, I thought that said something about Violet somewhere. It does. If you keep going. You got to remember it started back there after Adam succumbed to it. Right. He first, then Adam. Then here comes the children. And, you know, remember what God said to Cain.

He said, why are you angry? Uh-oh. We got an angry young. man, why is your face downcast? There's guilt here. You're angry and you're looking at the ground. If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? Right. This is how powerful sin is. But if you do not do what is right, here's the way God put it way back. This is leading up to the first murder, and there's not before people on the earth for crying out loud. If you don't do what's right, sin is crouching at your door it desires to have you but you must master it well john the apostle

five thousand years later wrote about kane and he said this is what we've heard from the beginning we should love one another that's what kane problem is he doesn't love his own brother abel he didn't love him so he's angry he's jealous like you said and god is warning him look sins crouching at your door. Well, John the Apostle said, we should love one another. That's what we've heard from the beginning. Do not be like Kane,

who belonged to the evil one. Right. Uh-oh. You say he's following on the control of the evil one, starting with the original sin, handed down to him. He's mad at his brother for really no good reason over a tide. Right.

He became jealous, and all of a sudden, By the way, the weapon of choice is not even mentioned on how he killed him. They just went out in the field and he killed him. How the instrument is not even mentioned. That's not the point. The point is he belonged to the evil one and he murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brothers was righteous.

Abel didn't do anything wrong. Yeah, Genesis 611 was where it says, now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. Right. Yep. But it takes me back to my childhood. You know, I mean, here, I mean, Willie was the closest to me. I mean, we fought pretty frequently.

But you were five years older. You know, you were out of my weight class, you know. But I'm still out of your weight class. Yeah. So here's me and Willie. I mean, we fought pretty much every day. There was a two to four year period. We fought every day.

And I'd get the best of him. because I was older, wiser, you know, I learned to. A little more wily, manipulate the girth. But I noticed y'all didn't fight too much when I was present. No, well, because the rule was if there's bloodshed, we both got whipped. No fighting in the house. That was the code. Meat popping.

Dad said you could let it go up to when he heard the meat pop. My rule was, I don't mind you speaking loudly to make a point if you want to raise your voice, no problem. But if raising your voice, the next level turns into blows where there is, where I hear meat coming together popping. I said, I come in and break it all up. Everyone, everyone gets their butt, put leather on their butt. No fight. It's the same process. But what I mean is I understand that struggle with Cana and Abel,

because you're going to fight with your family. The point is how far do you take that? Once you're separated from God, you know, once the garden happened and that separation, you now, it's tough sometimes to pull back and say, wait a minute, this is going too far. You have that decision to say, well, wait a minute, just, you know, because what's weird is we would fight almost every day. But you go to school and somebody says something about Willie, and now me and him are on this guy.

You know, we're fighting hand in hand. But the sinful nature, when all that starts, that's the beginning of the sinful nature, rearing its ugly head out. You're right. And you look at some of these nations that are right next door to each other, especially over in the Middle East and the Far East. I mean, they were all come out of the same group. Now there's a line between them. and they hate their brother.

I mean, right across the border. We build barriers. That's right. It's that idea of division. And that's what it brings about. Chase is a great point because if you know. And murder is the end result. It is.

And you need, you know, like from a parental standpoint, I mean, I remember one of the things you did, which this was crazy, you would think this would be some kind of child endangerment now. But back then, I remember we were coming on from church and, you know, we had this big deal, but, you know, don't touch me. You couldn't touch. touching. Of course, here we are, you know, there's like seven of us in a car that's designed to hold three people. And I got a problem, you know, if you're touching my skin, like Willie, if he ever touched me. Your own brother. It's on. So he would take his finger and he would put it as close as possible because if it ever made contact, I'm coming with a right hook. I didn't know that was going on in the back seat. There's what was that one day. So we're having

that little game going because Willie he would always try to push the button he would put his finger down and just hover it. You know, we hit a bump and he touches me and then I'll jab him in the real and you just pulled over on the side of the road and then, get out. We were probably three balls up the road here.

I was like, we were looking around. He's like, get it. Y'all walk. Y'all figure out how to get along by the time you get to the house. But what I said, I was kind of thankful for that because then I thought, well, that was dumb. Yeah, I mean, now I'm walking. I mean, it was dumb over what it, you know, what it was over.

It was, that's what it was about. So you ended up walking down, that's when before they paved the road is an old dirt road. We walked three miles. Two brothers walking down a dusty road. What are you all doing? Why are we fighting in the back of the car? Yep, that's what it was. But I'm saying as.

Redneck discipline. When things happen, it's how you respond to it. And y'all were smart enough to say. you know, we need to do something about it. And there's a right way to handle this and there's a wrong way. And when you don't, when you have nobody trying to get in there and help the situation, you have bad things happen when kids are kids. And then they develop, you know, all this bitterness.

And it leads to one day something that you never would think possible. Some guy's killing his brother. And I think the world just looks like that. How does that happen? and it's usually a long road of bad decisions and how you respond to situations. The evil one starts contributing there, and then one day you look up and that's what happens. So here's what's even much more common than somebody actually physically taking their life, which happens here, although it does happen. Here's what happens in a practical sense across our culture.

You got brothers, sisters, brother, sister, whoever, mom, dad, if they know them, they have no relationship. don't talk to each other for their whole lives over something happened when they were young some sinful thing that got in between them whether they were jealous there's something else so it's not a death in the sense of what we read about here but it really is a death because it's the death of a relationship I mean we think about us getting together and we tell stories that jace just told about different ways you disciplined us but we're doing that as a family because we love each other we're not perfect we still make mistakes even as adults but we're family you know and we're trying to go for that spiritual side.

That's the difference. When that alienation happens, which, look, you think about how the evil one works. It's all about that alienation. Somehow he created that atmosphere where Eve thought that God wasn't listening to the original conversation. And the same things happen in these relationships.

You know, Kane gets bitter for whatever reason, how he responded, jealousy, all these things that happen. And then you feel like God's not, he's a million miles away. It's not really. Where you can do this and then cover it up, you know. Remember when he said his blood is crying out to me from the ground, you know, God said that.

It's like, like you think you could do this in my creation under my nose. You're my creation. And then somehow another covered up, which is the number one thing with even, you know, gangs and murderers, you know, they get rid of the body. And it is worthy of note that we're in a time frame well before the law of Moses was given. that says commandment number six do not murder they they their their conscience was telling them this is not right they're angry at each other and it's leading up to pre-flood where they all just it's just a sinful free-for-all out of control disobedient ungodly ever thought

evil you say well that's a crazy story really well you just look at fast forward till present day And you say, no, it's still a sinful free-for-all, no matter where you go worldwide. I think it was introducing what I call God's DNA also in that no matter what happens, he's going to love. He's about life. He's always pro-life in every situation. That's right. Yep. He's pro-life.

He's pro-love. And he's about light as in we're not covering it up. We're not hiding it. Even when you make mistakes, you deal with it. Because if you don't, it blossoms. That's how you go on that road. The Hebrew writer had it well. So you fast forward from the time frame we're looking at,

judgment, the flood, in time judgment. Their every thought was evil. So you fast forward 5,000 years. The Hebrew writer said, anyone who lives on milk being still an infant, and y'all were discussing that, as you begin to get a little older and a little older, the fight and starts and all that.

It's not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. When you're young, like an infant, you just don't get it. Well, but solid food once you begin to mature and turning into an adult, solid foods for the mature, who by constant use, a lot of people miss this, biblical speaking,

they have trained this. themselves. This is Hebrews 5, about 13 and following. The mature by constant use, putting what God said into practice, have trained themselves. Think about the people in the days of Noah before the flood. You said, this is where they were sorely lacking. They didn't take the scriptures, which there were none. There was no. There was an old law. It was just humanity without a code. Don't do this. Don't children honor your father and mother. Don't lie. Don't steal. Don't be a more. Don't murder. Before that happened, you say, man, what was the human race like?

Oh, it was a murderous, wicked, evil sexually. So what? Who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. You say, so here we are now, but the story's been told, we're at a much better time frame than the people back in the days prior to the flood. That's right. I mean, they had no code to live by. It was just a free-for-all. But you're reading, where was that, Hebrews?

Hebrew's five. And I think it's interesting in Hebrews 2 before he wrote that. he wrote in 214 that since the children have flesh and blood speaking of Jesus he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death that is the devil and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of fear of death so I think he was introducing why Jesus came it goes back to that first murder

and you see the work of the evil one there, that conversation, whether he was inhabiting the snake or became the snake, it's the same principle. And then you see years later why we had the need for Jesus. Yeah.

He had to destroy that work, which is take you captive with your decision making and then kill you. And while we're there, remember Genesis 1-26 before the fall of man, God said, let us make man in our image.

Well, the father, the son, John 1, 1 was there in the beginning. Jesus was there, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Let us make man in our image. This is to get us here. Well, the father's there, but so is the son. Jesus is there five to six thousand years prior to him becoming flesh. in Genesis, he was there because remember, when man sins, going back to Hebrews 2.14, it's right on the heels of the fall. It's when God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit tells Satan in Genesis 315.

The way out is given early. I'll put enmity between you and the woman in between. He's talking to Satan, God is. Father, son is holy. Yeah. Yeah. This is before Jesus becomes flesh, but he's there. But Jesus is talking about himself, Father, Son, Holy Spirit,

when he says, in between your offspring and heard, he, whoever's going to come forth from a woman, is going to crush your head. So the judgment on Satan is given. Well, you follow that story and you say, you'll finally get to the one who came from the woman. You say, good night. That's the Jesus through whom all things are created. Here's God coming in flesh. he told Satan right at the beginning.

To be like us. You're going down. And for all you human beings, there's a way out. Which, by the way, Jesus showed us the way because Satan came, remember in Matthew 4, he came directly to physical now Jesus. And he said, and he tempted him. That's right. And look, we've been talking about this idea of flesh.

How did he tempt him three different ways? Try to get him through from Genesis all the way through. It was first the flesh. Remember, he was hungry. He had been fast in 40 days. He said, turn all this into bread if you're hungry. If you're hungry, eat. It was a classic battle of flesh versus fear.

It was. So he starts there. Then the next thing he does, he takes him up on the temple. And he says, just throw yourself down. I mean, make yourself known. But he said, don't put the Lord your God to the test. It's like going back to what he's told Adam and Eve. Exactly.

It's the same deal. And then remember the last one is he took him up on the mountain. And he said, you see all the kingdoms of the world? They belong to me. Yep. And he was right. I mean, all these people that had bowed their knee to Satan and follow him. still do today.

So many. The same lie. He said, if you'll make a deal with me, we'll rule together. You cannot make a deal with the devil. Yeah. The same lie that the evil one is telling Jesus, who's God, trying to lure him in, was the same lie he was telling Adam and Eve at the beginning. All the way.

Same lie. But it also says that's why in Hebrew's forward said Jesus was tempted in every way, just as we are, yet was without sin. That's right. So he is able to help those in our weakness. But he gives us the roadmap. You say, no, I'm not going to live by my flesh. No, I'm not going to go against the plan of God.

No, I'm not going to bow my need to you. I'm going to bow my need to God. So he gives us the roadmap for dealing with the evil one. He gives you the roadmap and the redemption. That's right. When you don't say no, he still says, I'll tell you what. That's a great point. I will forgive you anyway.

Get up and try again. I mean, you know, it's one of the, I mean, it's not one of the, it is the great. the greatest redemption story ever that makes complete sense and predicted from the original fall that's right and if you just follow what genesis 315 says Jesus on the scene invisible father son invisible you say 5,000 years and all of a sudden you look up and here comes God from a woman just like Genesis 3 you know the seed of a woman. A virgin woman. Here's the Jesus, but all of a sudden, the invisible God becomes visible,

and he's come to deliver us from what happened way back over in Genesis. The prophets, they begin to say, Jesus is coming. That's why when people ask me, they say, I started reading the Bible, you know, the Old Testament, I don't understand it. And I always say the same thing. Jesus is coming. That's it. They're like, what?

From the get-go. That is what is what is. It's saying, now there's a lot of hills and valleys, a lot of hills and valleys. But I'm on my way. That's what he said. I'm coming to earth, the same earth you're on. So I've always thought in Genesis when you said the God, you know, Jesus was there. I've always viewed this.

I may be wrong, but I just wanted to see what you thought about it. You had the Holy Spirit hovering over the waters. Yep. You have God creating. I've always viewed Jesus when he said, you know, let us make man an hour image, is when he said and God said. Because since he later on is described as the word, I always thought when he said,

there's your introduction to Jesus. He's the communication of God. That's it. You think about it if you want to know, you want to get to know the Almighty God, which our brain can't comprehend. We talked about earlier. Too big.

Jesus became a human to explain God. That's what John 117 says. He came to explain. We actually got a look at him. That's right. So when he said, I've always thought there was Jesus. Yep, the word. Yep.

I believe you are correct, sir. Yeah. Wow, that's a wow. So we're going to let you guys pontificate and think a little bit about that, what we talked about today. Basically, this judgment idea of the flood is where we'll pick up next time. And just show what basically happened when you get down to basically one family, being all that's left.

And so we'll talk about that as well as how that relates to some of the judgments that we see today. The next time on Unashamed. By the way, Al, started with a few Adam and Eve, Kane, and Abel, and their sons and daughters. You say, a few. Well, here comes the flood. We're back where we started.

Now there's Noah and his family. How many, eight? There's eight left. Well, that's better than four, you know, Adam, E, Cain, and A. You say, boy, to get us here, Al, it was in quite a stroke of what do you call it. Providence. And yet here we are.

So we'll talk about this more next time on Unashamed. So we're so glad you guys were with us today. You can subscribe on iTunes or Spotify or YouTube or Facebook. And be sure and rate us on iTunes so that other people can know about the podcast.