Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 908 | Jase Accidentally Accepts a Modeling Gig & Phil Was Born 100 Years Too Late

Episode Date: June 20, 2024

Jase belatedly realizes that he’s now a model for a local tackle shop, and Missy sees that Jase has a particular need, so she bought him a flattering gift to fill it. Phil looks a lot like his Civil War-era great-grandfather, leading Al to question whether Phil was born a hundred years too late. The guys discuss the absurdity of Christianity’s origins if one didn’t believe what the Bible says, and Zach points out the incredibility of a living God becoming mortal flesh. In this episode: Ephesians 1, verses 1-14; Acts 2, verse 40; John 21, verse 25; Romans 1, verse 4; 1 Corinthians 1, verse 30; 1 Corinthians 15, verse 50; 1 Peter 3, verse 15 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. I'm looking here at my monitor here in the lair. And I'm seeing Zach with the new setups. You're looking at your back to your studious look. Yeah. Have you moved again in your studio? Which we were delayed 20 minutes waiting on you to get all your ducks in row. Yeah. We moved over here. I've been trying to me for about two weeks, so we're kind of in.

But then we got some electricity problems. We've got some lighting problems. But thanks to Jace, we've got that situated. I just stated the obvious. We can't see. There was a dimly lit figure of you, and I thought we were going to talk about the spiritual world in between death and life. I didn't know what happens when the light dims. That's, you know.

I see. I see you've gone to the books in the background. Is that? Yeah. You know, I started with books in the background. And I moved to the other setup. And then now we may change again. This is, this is a temporary setup.

Yeah. Until we get electricity. So I've got an event up there this fall and I'm planning on doing a podcast with you from there. Have you got room for me in the, in your little studio? Okay. Yep. I got plenty of room. You can stab my house.

I like, I like them to the eastern layer. Sometimes we even. stay in the same room that we do the podcast room, which is good. Yep. Like my cousins, my Eastern cousin. We had a good, so I had an event, Jace, in Ada, Oklahoma, is where I was at Sunday. Yesterday. And so I had a good little trip up there, stopped and visited Skinny Meat, our cousin, Kim

Holly. You know, Willie calls her skinny meat because she's always been super skinny. That's Tommy's daughter. She and her husband, we had a great visit. Is it with everything kind of going on with family now are, you know, kind of finding out what's going on with everybody. And that was really good. And so I get up to the Aida, Oklahoma, and I'm driving in because I spend some time with some friends of Marietta. And, you know, GPS takes you.

And so I come up here and there's a big, it's kind of an old, older looking church building. But it's huge, you know. And I said, well, there it is. That's where I'm headed. And I get out. and there was no sign anywhere, but they were doing some construction. So I thought, well, maybe, you know, I don't know what's happening here. So I kind of go in a side door in this building.

And there's a couple of classes there. And I'm looking around, looking for somebody, you know, figuring there'd be a greeter or somebody to meet me. Because I'm, you know, I'm the speaker. And I'm there probably 45 minutes for the thing starts. And like, they were waving me in the class. And I'm like waving back, you know, and I keep going. And I come in this room and they're having breakfast. And the people that told me they were going to have a Father's Day.

breakfast. And so they said, hey, sit down and eat some breakfast. This lady was super nice. I said, no, that's okay. You know, I don't want to eat for us speak. I said, I'm trying to find the sanctuary. Can you guide me to that? She's, oh, yeah, you go down this hall and look. Just keep going right. You'll run into it. So I pop out in here. I'm walking. This thing is old. So it's like old hallways. And I pop into the sanctuary and I'm looking around. I thought, well, this don't look like a Baptist church. Because it had kind of the it had kind of the Holy of Holy look up front, like you don't mess around up there. Stained glass.

Yeah, stained glass and all that. And I thought, we call that High Church. Yeah, High Church. There was no instruments there. There's nobody in there. There's one guy standing over there in the corner just kind of looking. And I said, hey, I said, do you know where Pastor Brad is? And he never said anything.

He just kind of turned his head sideways. And I looked around because Carbo's in me. I said, I think we're in the wrong church. So I walked in the wrong one? Yeah. So I asked the guy, said, what church is this? He said, first Methodism. Well, that was going to be something when you got up to speak.

Did they have security in the wrong house? Looking for my PowerPoints and all that. So I said, well, is the first Baptist nearby? He said, it's next door. So I went out a side door and there was a big construction site. And right around the corner from that was a huge, another church, more modern. and it was the first Baptist. So I've never gone to the wrong church and wandered through the whole thing.

So I walk in. And we're acting like you were supposed to be there. Yeah. And I was like. They thought you were a visitor. They did. And look, they were very friendly and nice. If somebody from that community is listening, they were great people.

So I found this greeter. I come in the, of course, now I'm on the wrong side at the Baptist church. So come in kind of a side door and there's a greeter there. And I thought he would probably know who I was, but he didn't. And I said, I said, I just did a. a self-guided tour over at the Methodist church. And he said, well, you made the right choice. Oh, boy.

By coming there, I guess is what he meant. I said, can you tell me where the pastor is and where the sanctuary is? I said, I need to find out. And so he took me. And it is disturbing that there in some places there is a church literally on every street corner. And literally these are on the opposite corners of the same. And it goes with all the books, see.

I mean, it made me think of a movie idea for you, Zach. What's that? Because you have all these books and you have the Bible against the books. Like if I do, next time I do a- That could be a serious, Bible versus books. Next time I have a rogue setting where I'm doing the podcast, I'm just going to have one book behind me. It's like a big one.

Missy just bought a big one at a estate sale. It was like from 1920. I mean, it's as big as half his table. But if you follow that logic out that you would have to say, I'm not going to listen to anybody's sermon or any teaching or any, no pontificating. I'm just going to read the Bible. But no, you can't do that. I kind of like that thought. You're getting down to what, just a thought.

Oh, Phil's got a thought. Come on, Phil. And the thought is, in other words, if you go to a matter. Matthew, he was one of the disciples. He was appointed by Jesus. He spoke of the resurrection, the Great Commission, the crucifixion, the death of Jesus,

the burial of Jesus. Then he says, therefore, he quotes Jesus saying, Jesus came to him. All authority in heaven that on earth had been given to me, Jesus said. this is post-resurrection. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations,

baptize them in the name of the Father and Son, the Holy Spirit, teaching Him to obey everything, I've commanded you, and surely I'll be with you to the end of the age. That's what Matthew said. Mark, who was another disciple, got his degree. He spoke of the resurrection, the crucifixion at first, the death of Jesus, the burial of Jesus, the resurrection. I think that'll cover it, weren't?

Yeah, go into all the world and preach the gospel. This is just the launching point. But I like that verse when John got to the end. We quote this a lot. But the last verse of Book of John, because I know you were headed there anyway, Phil, after the death, Bill and resurrection is recorded, and the little fish broiling. He still did not understand from Scripture what Jesus had, that Jesus had to rise from the dead.

It was a final word on it. But his last verse, John says, Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. Yeah. That was where I was coming at. Well, I mean, I would argue, I think there's a danger, obviously, of attaching yourself to it. to an ism or a theology that's not centered. That's right.

But you can also, I mean, I've learned a lot, though, from a lot of the historical writers that have learned. No, I agree. I wasn't slamming and all. I was just being brutally honest, and we can discuss it. But I think when you read books, you have to proceed with caution. And to me, the gauge is if it's not centered or filtered in Jesus, And I'm basing that on Hebrews 1, where the Hebrew writer said, you know, in the past,

God spoke in various ways and many ways through prophets, but now he has spoken to us through his son. That is God speaking in Jesus, which is why you have so many in Christ's references in Ephesians 1. In Christ, if you take that context out, you can come up with all kind of stuff. See, the leap from John, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, that God had talk about the cruised fiction, the death of Jesus, the burial of Jesus, the empty tomb, and they still did not understand Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead. Well, if you look at that, you say the leap from there to Ax, which we covered recently, was old Peter was reinstated. you love me, Peter? You love me, you really do. I mean, so he tested him.

So he got him to open the door up, you know, when he gives the famous sermon, let all Israel be assured of this. God's made this Jesus, him you crucified both Lord and Christ. When they heard it, they were cut to the heart. That's what he was sent to do by Jesus. Brothers, what shall we do? I mean, we're in a bind here.

We've killed the same. of the world. He died on a cross for us. Peter replied, repent and be baptized. All of you. You'll be forgiven and you'll receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Save yourself in this corrupt

generation. So those are the men that started marching. You've got at least ten stories, scriptures. You've got about ten of them where they get together and one of them stands up and said,

I tell you, Jesus died on the cross, was buried and raised from the dead. In other words, it's all covered in the book of Acts. By the time you get to where we are now, it still coincides with itself about what's being said and who's doing the talking. You know, you got Romans, that's Apostle Paul. You got first and second Corinthians. You've come through a little bit. You got, well, you know, Galatians. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Galatians, it's spelled out. for them. You're all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ, have clothed yourself. Well, that's Galatians. You get to Ephesians. Paul, an apostle of Christ, Jesus, by the will of God to the saints in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus. All of them that starts unraveling the three-year stint that Jesus did, going around saying, well you think i am the one you're going to kill me three days i'll be raised to the dead they said you're going to do what and he that all comes forth but it never goes away with all of what's in the your new testament of your bible got colosians it's all worked out there word of truth the gospel that has

come to you all over the world the gospel is producing so it's all explained one book after the other And we're looking at Ephesians. But we know what they're fixing to say because they repeat it over and over and over. Why repeat it so much? Hard for people to get it. Well, it's just the hard. It seems simple.

It's about a person. That's right. The creator. My sermon yesterday was called The Unashamed Life. Obviously, I'm kind of taking the twist off of our podcast. And dad, I started, since it was Father's Day, I started with Picture of You, next to a picture of Judge Jeptha Robertson,

who was literally born 100 years before you were. And then I had a caption underneath that, I said, was he born 100 years too late? And I went into this thing about when you live an unashamed life, it can be at any time in history. And, you know, Judge Jephth, I don't know if you've seen this picture before, but you look a lot like him. You know, this was from Civil War eras when he was around.

This is your great, I think you're a great, grandfather. Yep. And so I was talking about this idea that in any era that we're in, we can live the unashamed life because everything that's happened since Jesus has happened. And so that was my whole take on it. And so at the end of the service, you know, they had an altar call on the time people come forward.

A couple of folks came forward and they got baptized. And I had done this whole thing about unashamed. This shirt I'm wearing today, Josh. You see it. This was the shirt they were using for their, you know, they baptized people. they have a shirt, you know, dark shirt, dark shorts. Like we do it before when this was the one. I looked up there and I was like,

Unashamed, did you do that just because y'all knew I was coming doing this thing? And they were right now. I said, well, this must be a Holy Spirit moment that we live the unashamed life to have for just what you were talking about out of the text, that it's timeless. This will go on until the Lord comes back. This is the life we live. This is what we do. This is how we impact people.

And so that happens in any circumstance. every single day. See there's a little Bible verse under there. There is. Romans 116. And then the verse is quoted on the back and has their church. We're saying, we didn't get this idea. No, it wasn't us.

Hey, let's do, let's be unashamed. Of course, I jumped from that in the lesson over to Hebrews 2, where it says, Jesus is not a shame to call us, his brothers and sisters, because we're in the same family. And then also Hebrews 11 that said, God is not. ashamed to call us, for him to call us our God, because he has made for us a habit. Oh, that's a good one. So all that goes together. The only reason we can be unashamed is because they're not ashamed of us.

Exactly. I think that's what separates Christianity from all other religions. I think you're right. It's not a merit-based function. It's unconditional love. He's unashamed of us, even though we've got a lot to be ashamed about. That's why he sent Jesus. and then he's like, look, I did this for you.

So it's not like you're like a college exam where you take an entrance exam just to get in. And then if you weren't well enough and pass your final exam, you're in. But I think a lot of people view Christianity like that. That's good point. Won't work. Yeah. That's what's different, you know. That's why it's not a commitment of a life, but an idea of a,

it's a test that I have to take. It's just a challenge. It's just part of that thing. And then I've got that down. Well, that was interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I actually, Father's Day was, yeah, I forgot it was Father's Day. Well, your kids don't live here.

Well, but. But they were sending you to Texas. Well, I had an event. That's right. So, and it was, you know what? It just occurred to me. That's why it was all men because it was Father's Day weekend. You were at a Father's Day event.

I didn't realize it was Father's Day. Yeah, sorry about that. Those are you at the event, Jay's just figured out why he was there. So just so you know. I was in Cartersville, Rome, Georgia area, which I always find that fascinating about Rome, you know, because it's like it's named after Rome, Italy.

So you'd think you'd see people running around in the, Homan guard. But they, no, it was just pretty much a bunch of redneck. But, yeah, we had like maybe a thousand men at this thing. It was, and it was raucous. Good side. And they were like via satellite going all over the world. They were having watch parties for the event.

I was one of three or four speakers. You were seeing the same thing that Jesus talked about in the future. all men will rally to. Yeah, that's what it was. I shared Jesus. Then we did like a live, I would call it maybe a live podcast. The preacher interviewed me.

Yep. But they said it was going to military bases in Japan and in different places all over the world. So I thought it was really good. I mean, it was fantastic. Did you just kind of do what you typically do when you speak to a crowd or do? You know?

You would have thought I did, but I got up there and maybe the Holy Spirit just intervened, and it was a different message. I mean, it was focused on Jesus 100%. Yeah, not too. But about the time I was ready to get started, my timer went red. And I thought, well, I guess that's it. Paul a servant of Christ Jesus, you said, for what? called to be an apostle, y'all, and set apart for the gospel of God.

The gospel he promised beforehand, through his prophets in his holy scriptures regarding his son, who as to human nature was a descendant of David, and who through the spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the son of God by his resurrection from the dead. Every time you open another book, that's what you read, things like, that, things like that, things like that. Yeah. Over and over and over and over.

Well, that was my goal. I mean, my whole goal is if you get people hooked on Jesus, they fall in love with Jesus, look at him for themselves, whether they're in their house, their workplace, on the street, or in a church building, this is the catalyst for a person making the decision to follow Jesus, and their life will change. And that was my philosophy. You want to be a better husband, father, all that? Well, let's, we got a problem here.

Yeah. Sin and death. It's just we're born into a world where that's going to happen. But for those who were self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil. First for the Jew, then for the Gentile. But glory. honor and peace for everyone who does good.

First for the Jew, then for the Gentile, for God does not show favoritism. I mean, you know, this thing is not so hard to understand. That there ought to be, you say, yeah, that's about it. Well, then you move on to Jesus. But it makes me think, you know, we started off talking about church, buildings and all these books that are that are out there which you know i was i wasn't attacking i was just making a point that the bottom line is jesus is salvation yep this book reveals jesus

i don't mind listening to somebody else's opinion on it but when you if you just had to go with something you're like read one of the gospels like bill was referencing which is why he was and you have to a decision here you're a human being where'd i come from you know what am i supposed to be doing here how am i leaving kind of type questions we could be wrong but i doubt it yeah well i very seriously doubt speaking of books that's wrong speaking of books there's one right there that says that i'm saying you read and see what jesus is like which is what happened in my conversion you know i read the book of john and i thought i really believe this and uh you know later on I found that 1 John 5 passage that says, I write this to you who believe in the Son of God

so that you may know that you have eternal life. You're talking about a bold statement. He's like, I'm writing this. And once you, if you believe Jesus is who he is, you can know by reading this, you're going to know that you have eternal life. Yeah. Now, that's a bold statement. That's bold. And part of that is books that are written as well as sermons that are given or testimonies that are shared or what happens when you discover that. And so that's one of the things I did yesterday in talking about the unashamed life. I had entered in a shameful period of life. And so I told them about it because I figured in a group the size I was speaking to, there's probably somebody out there. It was like me. He was a double secret agent. He was right there in the midst. looked like he had everything going on right, but he wasn't because he wasn't, he wasn't

right with Christ. And so I told that story, Dad, and I told that story about when I came home, and it was just like, you know, the Luke 15 story. And that's what we're here for. I mean, the places that get together are getting together to introduce people to Jesus. And some are running, and some are, just don't know. And some, maybe somebody else had an effort to get them to something like that. You know, I'm sure people were invited guests to what you did this weekend, because they're trying to get them to somebody to tell them about Jesus. Or Christ has indeed been raised from the dead. The first fruits of all those who have fallen asleep.

What a statement. And since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. So as in Adam all die. So in Christ all to be made alive. Each in his own turn, Christ's the first fruits. Then when he comes, those who belong to him. It's things like that that are worth preaching.

Oh, I agree. There's two worlds. There's a world within a world. Those that are in Christ. That's why you think of all those passages in John where he said, I chose you out of the world. And then when he prayed in John 17, he's like, I'm not praying that you should take them out of the world,

but he was having that concept. They need to represent the new world in this world. You think about all those verses that say, even though we live in the world, we don't belong to the world. 1st John 2 don't love the things of the world the cravings of man the lust of the eye the boasting what he has and does and so yeah it's a I mean I do think that's preaching worthy and it'll get on you if it's preached that Christ has been raised from the dead how come some of you say there is no resurrection of the dead I think well you have nothing to preach yeah well we're just going to die

Well, it's a... You believe that? I said, you must believe that. Why wouldn't you want to? That's on the table. Why wouldn't you want to? Yeah. One of my buddies, I mean, that's what I was going to go with, the Father's Day thing.

You know, when I got back home, my daughter, she's here at camp. You know, she's volunteering to be a counselor or whatever. And, but she came home, which I was like, I thought you were at camp. She's like, well, I came to tell you happy father. Day, which was really sweet. That's great. Yeah, really nice. And I was getting all these reminders because some guys, you know, they would send me like

Happy Father's Day or whatever. Well, one of them was the military guy shared his story that drove from Florida and brought his wife and kids and his pastor that he had always rejected. You know, they came over and baptized him a few weeks ago. I met him at the Chad Robes Show event where, you know, helping military guys. with the PTSD. And so he just sent a really long letter about being thankful that he's, that basically the way he described it, he has a new post.

And it is to protect his family, you know, from the evil one and share Jesus with them. And I just thought, man, what, this is the kind of Father's Day message. I like to see a guy who's a new Christian, six months. months in. And he's now looking at it from how God is using him with his family. And it was, it was quite moving. And so he sent me a note as well. Of course, then I got, you know, the Father's Day gifts, which is a little embarrassing. You know, my wife got me underwear, which at this stage of my life, she had noticed, which I guess the fact that she had noticed as a positive, but that, that my underwear were, you know, getting a bit holy and ragged.

And not in a set apart sanctified way. No, no. Not that kind of holy. So I was like, well, thank you, babe. You know, you saw a need. You met it on Father's Day. Okay, that's going to make everybody more comfortable, I guess. So, and then I got this box from our friends at the honeyhole.

And we brought this up before because I bought a shirt one time that Bill actually was giving me fashion advice, which is kind of hilarious. And they sent me a box because they're like, look, every time you wear one of these shirts, I mean, it's a hole in the wall. It used to be a 7-Eleven, but all the guys who worked there are brothers in the Lord. And it couldn't happen to a finer group of folks. One of them is on our sister podcast. So they sent me some new shirts from the Honeyhole, and they're like, keep wearing them.

So then it kind of hit me. like, I'm actually functioning kind of like a model here, which is crazy. Who would have ever thought Jace would be a model? But I look, I don't care where they got. They're the best shirts I've ever worn because they're designed for outdoors people. You know, I mean, they're comfortable, they're long sleeve. You got a little hitty if you want, but they got all kind of stuff. So that kind of made my day.

And then just through the day, you know, my other kids, Karina, who we've, you know, semi-adopted in the Lord, you know, and my boys called me, and I thought, yeah, this is a good day. I mean, there is something special about that. But what it made me think is we're studying in Ephesians. I want to run this by you because I'm preaching tonight

and I haven't got my lesson yet. So I thought I'd practice on y'all since we're in Ephesians. So you're actually pulling this lesson together as we speak. Oh, yeah, I'm not prepared. But I'm always prepared to give an answer to everyone who I ask you to give the reason. First Peter 3. First Peter 3.15. But I just thought as an overview of Ephesians, and I heard a sermon on this, maybe last year.

And it was the same concept. Because Phil made me think this when he read the Matthew 28 passage about all authority on heaven and earth has been given to me. When you think about that statement, because we, I think in our culture, in our church system with a church on every corner and a book about everything, we tend to detach heaven and earth. We're like, subtly, it's like what I said about the college exam. It's like, okay, we have the interest exam, and that's kind of our focus. Let's just get people in.

You know, share Jesus, have the altar call, get them in, and then we'll wait, and then for the final exam, you hope you make it. you know and it's like well what about the part in between yeah and because when you have just that view which i'm not saying look we want to get people in obviously when you have that it seems like there's a detachment of heaven and earth and so when i read that ephesians one nine and ten again while ago while we were talking it said he made known to us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ to be put into effect when the times will have reached fulfillment. And what's this next statement? To bring all things in heaven and

earth together under one head, even Christ. I'm like, he's not detaching that. He's like, Christ is exalted, you have the Holy Spirit of God, we're seeing the beginning stages of this new world in that heaven and earth is being combined through an exalted Jesus and his spirit being in people on earth. Which then it makes more sense when you think about when you pray, when he said, I pray that your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. and so you take that verse. There's just overview of Ephesians,

which, by the way, the Holy Spirit is mentioned there in verse 13 because he gave us the promised Holy Spirit. He's exalted at the right hand of God, look, in verse 20. So there's that heaven and earth coming together. He's in heaven representing us, we're on earth, representing him through his spirit. Correct. So then when you read like 210, 210, for we are God,

workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in events for us to do. Well, most preachers, they read that and they start thinking about your behavior. They're not talking about your behavior. He's talking about functioning as representatives of Jesus on the throne in heaven. That's what we're doing. We're making him known, and these are the works that are laid out before us. That's how the message of Jesus gets out through Spirit-filled people. So then when you read 310, so you get what I'm doing here in 1-10, 2-10, 3-10,

his intent was that now through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms. Which is a huge statement. So when you're talking about heaven and earth coming together in Jesus as exalted, and now the church, it's like you're, you went to the wrong church, Al. Well, because we got them all in little buildings. He's not talking about that kind of church because in Ephesians 2, he talked about the Gentiles and the Jews being together under one head. Christ. So he brought everybody together in Christ. And then I love that chapter two in verse 21, you know, 20 and 21. Jesus says, chief cornerstone in him, the whole building is joined together

and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him, you two are being built to become a dwelling in which God lives by his spirit. Is that not evidence and are a sign that, everything on heaven and the earth has now been joined together. So then when you get to four, five, and six, will you see the life of spirit-filled people and how that happens? He starts off talking about we all have different gifts in the church. But even in verse 10 of chapter four, it says,

He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than the heavens. And watch this next day. This is 4-10 in order to fill the whole universe. So you're seeing this come together. And then chapter 5, I wanted to read verse 8 through 10, for you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Where are you light at on the earth? Because of what he's doing in heaven.

live as children of light and find out what pleases the Lord. Of course, then he goes through how that goes to our real life, you know, with marriage and wives and husbands, children and parents, and then the armor of God. But to me, that made me think, especially in verse, where's that at, in verse 32, when he's talking about husband and wives, he said, this is a profound mystery, but I'm talking about Christ and the church. I mean, we're the bride of Christ.

The bride is on earth. Jesus is in heaven. So when you read that one little statement about bringing all things together in heaven and on earth, you see these parallels in the physical life, husbands and wives, but that's a picture of us being married to Jesus. You see father and parents, I mean, a father and kids. But what is that a reflection of? We're sons and daughters of God.

And even in the classes of people, the slaves and masters section, well, we're servants of Christ. Well, then the armor of God. We're the army of God. He's the king. Now, we function differently, but it's all the armor that he provides, you know, and it goes through that whole thing. All a profound mystery.

but I'm talking about Christ and the church. So I'm just saying that's an overview of Ephesians, but that one little verse gives you a picture of what we're really supposed to be doing here as spirit-filled people. I love that one about the, was it 310? Yeah, the intent was now through the church. The manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and thirds in the heavenly realms.

like so much was linked because Jesus came here because God created us that you just think about it, all those whatever beings are there. And we read about a few of them in the Bible, but we don't even know who all is there. But they have a keen interest in this little blue ball in this mass universe because this was created specifically by the Almighty and the sun. and the spirit of him who brings us life, it was created in his image. And so there's so much focus in the entire universe

and the other realms on what goes on here because of who Jesus is, to your point, Jay, of how that brings it all together. I mean, it's just one blue dot. Well, that's why First Corinthians 130 says, it is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus who has become for us wisdom from God. You know, and it says right before that he is the wisdom and the power of God.

Right. I mean, that's where the power and the wisdom is coming from. I mean, you're like, what does that mean in everyday terms? Being in Jesus makes you really smart. My buddy, I was talking to on the way down here, he got into this debate. He's like, I mean, it wasn't my purpose to share Jesus, which it should have been, but he was talking to a doctor, and the doctor made a comment about how it's fascinating that, you know,

we came from a lightning strike, and he kind of went through the evolution of man, you know, from a lightning strike. And my buddy was like, well, where'd the lightning come from? And he was like, what do you mean? I mean, because he was acting like, well, everybody believes this, everybody knows this, you know. And he said, what's your point? And my buddy was like, my point is, I believe there's a God and he made us. I don't believe there was some lightning from nowhere struck something.

And he said, so we just got it. He said, here we were. We got into it. And so he's like, well, why would you believe there's a God? And, of course, he just immediately went to the resurrection. Like, well, the resurrection is a historical occurrence that it's just hard to get around. And so he said, basically we started debating, and then we both agreed that it took faith to believe in what we believed, even though it was the polar opposite. But he said, what I found interesting about him is when I brought up the resurrection, he's like, well, that can be easily explained.

He's like, I mean, I'm a doctor. He said, what happened it was when Jesus, Jesus. was on the cross, it's very possible that when the spear, they used the spear to make sure he was dead, it'd be easy to miss a vital organ from that distance, poking the spear. And so my buddy said, so let me get this right. You've debunked all of Christianity based on the fact that the greatest community that ever existed on this earth, at killing people, made a mistake, then they took his body, put it in a tomb, and then, because they didn't want to.

He wasn't really dead. Yeah, he wasn't really dead. And then they wanted to make sure that the disciples wouldn't claim that they stole the body. So they put a big boulder in front of it and guard the tomb. And put their seal. You're like, there's no resurrection because he could have missed a vital organ on a spear. And the guy, he said, just looked dumbfounded because it was like, you know, that's a lot to put on that, especially if you're wrong. That was a, I saw a funny little skit on YouTube or something.

These guys, they're all dressed up like the disciples. And they're sitting around talking. And the lead disciple is Peter. He's like, all right, guys, here's the deal. Jesus is dead. okay we all know that and everybody's like oh yeah now and then like here's what we're going to do we're gonna we're gonna go steal his body and then we're gonna tell everyone that he is alive and of course the all the all the guys said man great idea great idea great idea great idea and then he's like and then we're all going to be persecuted and they're all cheering yes that sounds amazing and then we're all going to dive for this it's going to be amazing and this one guys like hold on a second do we get anything out of this and it's like and the whole story it's like it's like this parody but it's like um of like, you know, what, we, it said how atheists believe that, you know, the whole, the whole, how Christianity began.

And when you think of it like that, that these guys went to their death, except for, you know, John was exiled to Patmos, but the, the verdict on all of these guys, I mean, they got nothing out of it if, if, if, if the, if the, if the, if the, if, the, if, the, if, if, the, earthly standpoint was what you're looking at. They didn't get rich off of it. They didn't, they didn't, they didn't get, um, accolades, cultural accolades out of it. They literally all suffered horribly for something that they knew to be true. Not that they believed to be true because these were eyewitnesses.

So if it didn't happen, they would have known that it didn't happen. They didn't say, I think this is what happened because somebody told me this is what happened. They were eyewitnesses of it. And that is a powerful, powerful testimony to the validity that Jesus actually did come from the grave. And, you know, I've always taken a lot of comfort up. But I was going to also mention something you said, Jase, when you read that Ephesians passage, and Phil reiterated that word mystery. So I just went through my Bible as you guys were talking.

And I went through the book of Ephesians. And I just made a note of all of the times that it says the word mystery. And I may have missed a few because I did a quick search on the internet. But the first one was what you mentioned in Ephesians, Ephesians 9 that says, making known to us the mystery of his will. So there it is, the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ, as a plan for the fullness of time to unite all things to him, things in heaven and on earth. There's this mystery that's being unfolded is that God is uniting things. Then you skip forward a couple chapters to Ephesians 3. This is Ephesians 3 1 through 3.

for this reason, I Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles, assuming that you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace that was given to me for you, for you, how the mystery was made known to me by Revelation. And I've written about it. He said, I've written briefly, when you read this, you can perceive my insights into the mystery of Christ, which was made known to the sons of men and other generations, as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and the prophets by the spirit. This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and

partakers of the promise in Jesus Christ through the gospel. So again, you see the idea of unification here, unification of what he talked about in Ephesians 1. He's now explaining it in further detail in Ephesians. Three, he said that the mystery that has been hidden for all ages that he wants to bring this to light for everyone. and that's in Ephesians 3 as well. Then you skip over to the verse that you read in Ephesians 5.

This mystery is profound, and I'm saying that it refers to Christ in the church. And then he ends the entire book or the entire letter of Ephesians at almost the very end, right before the final reading, he says in verse 19, that his mouth opening my mouth to boldly proclaim the mystery of the gospel for which I am an ambassador. in chains that I may declare it boldly as I ought to speak. So, I mean, I really think that you could almost like, if you want to sum up the book of Ephesians, I think you could sum it up with mystery revealed. It's a mystery that is revealed.

And that mystery is this oneness of the church of Jew and Gentile, slave and free, male and female, like all coming into one body together under the hell. headship, the supremacy, and the sovereignty of Christ. I think that is the ultimate message of the entire book. Oh, I agree. And I think it culminates with another mystery is that all those people who have God's spirit, that is a deposit guaranteeing what is to come. Because Paul went the same direction in 1st Corinthians 1550 when he said, I declare to you that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, which this verse always troubled me at first, because I thought, oh, wait a minute.

Well, how do I get in it? Right. Because I have flesh and blood. And a lot of people have misinterpreted that to say things like that. Exactly. And I didn't realize that you have the two worlds. You have that that were related to Adam in that his sin caused a series of events by which people are born into a world where at some point they're going to sin and at some point

they're all going to die. So Jesus comes down and presents a new world by which you have his spirit. Because then it goes on to say this, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. And he says, listen, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep or die, but we will all be changed in a flash in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. The perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable and the mortal, which is the problem with this flesh and blood, because that just is another way to say we're a human.

We're mortal. We're in a mortal realm. It's going to be swallowed up with immortality, which is why Jesus is in heaven today, making the place God's presence. That is, it's not a place like a, we think a place, because God's bigger than places, but he's in the presence of God,

which is the trailblazing moment for us to do the same thing. That's why 1st John 3 says we'll be transformed and it says what we will be is not made known, but we will, we know that when Jesus comes, we will be like him. Right. But it also, we sell short, really to your original point, this coming together of heaven and earth, we sell short the role God has given us because if all of the heavenly realms are looking on us to see the manifold wisdom of God and how it's relayed out in terms of relationships and eventually eternity, then that means that they're waiting too. Yeah.

Yeah. And we're a part of that, you know? So, I mean, it works both ways. I mean, it really. it shows you our role. People have missed the idea that heaven has come down on numerous occasions. In the garden? I mean, because God came down. Even the law, you know, came down. You had the tabernacles, the temple. That's why angels were in all those situations. You saw angels present because that was that from their realm to our realm. I mean, exactly what you're talking about. And thank Jesus came here. Where did he come from? Well, you know, I know he came out of a woman, but he came from heaven. He's like, I'm not even from this.

I mean, it's a hard concept to grasp, but when we say, you know, Jesus was fully human, but Jesus was fully God. Yeah. And so he is the, he's the God man. And we have a hard time understanding that. I mean, I know we all do, but I think that's in that what you're seeing in the fact that God took on flesh. That's the language of Philippians, too, by the way, is that God took on.

this nature. I don't think it would be appropriate or accurate to say that God emptied himself of his divinity because he did not. I mean, if he did, Bill, no, exactly. You used to tell us that. And if he did, then we're still dead in our sins. You know, but he took on the nature of a servant, which is an incredible act of humility, to take on the nature of a human. Like we're talking about the fullness of God. I think about that verse that you mentioned in Colossians, that in Christ, the full fullness of deity dwells in bodily form. I mean, you're just like, wait, what?

And you start to contemplate the expanse of our universe. You start to contemplate the immense amount of power that's harnessed in one atom. And you start to imagine how big the planet is, how big the sun is, how big the solar system is, how big the universe, and on and on and on and on. And you say, there's a God who spoke that into existence. And the fullness of that God, that was mere child's play for him. And the fullness of that God with that kind of power, the Bible says, dwelt in bodily form in Jesus. I mean, that is just incredible when we start to think about that beyond just the sheer power that came down, like who he is. The fact that this power condescends is a display of love that I don't think any of us can, we'll never scratch.

We can scratch the service. We'll never get to the end of that. because the height, I think it's this, the height or the depth of God's love is measured by the height of his glory, which is infinitely high. So we can't measure the distance that he came for us. We can't even measure it because it's infinite. And that's how much he loves you.

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