Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 922 | Phil Robertson & Family Deliver a Strong Message About the Attempted Trump Assassination

Episode Date: July 15, 2024

Phil, Uncle Si, Jase, Al, and Zach condemn the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump and offer a solution to the political and spiritual turmoil America finds herself in. Jase reveals his response when his family was under attack from a shooter in their own home, and the guys offer a prayer of protection and guidance for America in this turbulent time.  In this episode: 1 John 4, verse 8; 2 Corinthians 1, verse 18; Romans 8, verse 1 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome to Unashame. It's been a madhouse since I got here. I was a little bit late because mom had to get her 25,000 words in in 10 minutes to me. But we got an Uncle Si in the house. Those are always good. Always good to have a sound Unashamed podcast. You got a new sleek look. I got to start with that, Sirendt, because I actually think it's made you look a little younger.

Are you wearing contacts too? Yeah, I've had so many people tell me because I need to actually shave again and clean it up. But when I did it, I had more people come up and said, Good grief, that knocked off 10 years off of your age. I said, well, I appreciate that. I was kidding.

And I said, would you lose a bet? And he went, yep. No, I have a Philip that started it down. Oh, well, that's what he said. Yeah, I was Philip McMillan that started. He lost a bet. And I said, no, I didn't lose it. Well, I've been hearing about it, and I think Stone has sent me a picture of you on our brother.

I've quick gone on our sister, on our brother podcast, the duck call room. And so I saw you, but I hadn't seen you in person until. Well, I just looked in the mirror and I said, good, great, son. You look, just pushy out of control. So I see what happened. They fixed your eyes. Then you went to the mirror and went, oh, no. Yeah, someone could.

Steve, does I always look this bad? Yeah, since I hadn't been able to see it so long. He had no idea when it looked like. He had eye surgery and he completely went a whole new look. Well, they call that a new look. You reinvented yourself. Well, no, no, here's what's so funny about, though. Okay, I went to my wife's hairdresser, okay, a woman.

Oh, boy. Yeah. You know, I figured. A woman's hairdresser. Well, no, no, I figured she would know what she was doing since she's a hairdresser. Well, she cut it. You know, she cut it, and I went home and looked down, And I said, that ain't what I told that woman to do.

Uh-oh. So look, I said, well, I went in the mirror and I said, I don't know how people do this. You know, trim it and get it, make it look good. So I said, okay, let me go up to red. So I thought Reds was a man. Yeah. Well, I walked in there and this another woman. Did she have red hair?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So I said, baby, what I want you do? I said, hey, I want to kind of a goateeattee. I said, and then shave it was. Well, she just took clippers and blizz, blizz, blah. Well, I got home and I said, God, I said, I ain't a kind of goatee. Not a goate.

Kind of a go-to. What you got going on, side, you look like a hipster now. You've got a hipster running. I've always been a hipster. I was a young. I was a young. Before they even come up with a word, I was there. You look younger, side.

It's kind of relative. You do look younger. I've had a lot of people tell me that. And I said, well, I appreciate that. I said, men feel both are on their bonus years with the Lord. Yeah. I said, so, hey, knocking off anything. I've had a bunch of people ask me, they were like, now, size is the older than your dad, right?

And I'm like, no. He's a couple of years younger. I said, but he smoked a long time. He's in the military. You know, he's had some challenges in his life. Yeah, the military will make you look old. But now you look younger. So it's all the stress.

Yeah. Anyway, that's Well, welcome. Welcome. Welcome to the own shame. I got a question, Alan. What did you get, I heard you,

you didn't have your headset on, but I just heard you say, this is that. So someone, and I don't, and I apologize for not having their name in front of me, is Tim,

I think, is his name, Tim Oliver, from Lubbock, Texas, because we get gifts, and we appreciate the stuff you guys send us,

because we get tons of stuff. And this is a big one. Well, this is quite a gift. Yeah. This is a big hunk of silver. I noticed they have a landscaping business, but there must have been the silver business, too.

And on the, if you guys are watching, I'm holding it up, and it's got the gospel symbols that, and he even mentioned Bill Smith in his letter to me. He put those on the front of this hunk of silver, and I didn't know until I got there down the back. It says, Unashamed, and it says, Al. Yeah, mine says, unashamed, Jason.

And it's a pretty big hump. This thing is heavy. Oh, no, this thing is heavy. And I guess what? what, Zach, Zach, I got to apologize to you.

Mine says, Zach. So you got weeded out there, son, somehow. Yeah. So when I came in,

are you going to keep it or are you going to give it to me? No, I'm going to keep it. He cut his hair. Look, the only name, look,

the only name that's really important to Jesus, so I'm going to keep it. Oh, man. That was nice of you, Zach, to give that

for your uncle's up. That 2024 on it. Hey, I appreciate it. And so if Sae gets in a poker game and he runs out of money, Zach, he's just going to lob in this hunk of silver. I'm going to put the gospel silver on him and tell me, hey, it just covers every bit, Jack. So thank you, Tim and company. We did, you know, Zach, that's part of the problem of not being on set.

You know, you're out there in North Carolina. Whoever would have been here today was going to get your hump of sale. You do have something valuable because I can hear y'all talking about it. I didn't know how my name on. I didn't know it was silver. Well, once I realized that you were not in the next room that you're about 12 states away, I really don't think you'll ever. I'd have a snake out here. Well, you're silver.

So thank you, Zat. Once more, Zach, gets dumped. For the last two. Yeah. The Robertson clan, that, that crop. Yeah, when I read... Carol, Judy, Tommy, me, Jam, you, and Jan, but there's two left.

Well, they've always said I've been sick with everything since I was born. They've said I have dementia and everything, you know, at an early age, so, right. Well, Dad said you were born with it. We just got used to. Well, I don't know. That's what I was talking about. Yeah. But, you know, it's funny because dad now, I don't know if you all realize this,

Jimmy Frank, who was the oldest of the clan. He and I were always close because I was one of the older cousins. So I spent a lot of time with Jimmy Frank. He was kind of a family historian, knew all this stuff. And I was into that kind of stuff, you know, talking about great grandparents. Well, he was 78 when he had a hard attack. And so, Dad, you're now 78. So you're the oldest living Roberts at this point.

You know, I mean, none of the rest of them have lived past that point. It's almost like everybody was a meteor. I think that was Janzac. You know, everybody just was like, had a shorter, I guess, the normal maybe lifespan, but everybody seemed to like shine brightly, you know. Because mom and daddy, daddy was 84. Mom was 94. Yeah.

Yeah. Which is kind of amazing. Another kids lived as long as they did. Yeah. You know, of course, you know, Paul's health was, you know, five packs of Winston's a day. Yeah. You know. I don't do anybody, yeah.

His final years, he'd quit smoking. I don't know why. No, well, yeah, once he was, he was in a facility for the last few years, so he couldn't smoke there. But he did sometimes when I'd visit him, but he would, his fingers would be empty. Of course, they were staying with nicotine, but he would, he, in his mind, he was still smoking. Yeah. He was still there.

What were you going to say is that? I said, part of me thinks maybe the short lifespan and maybe some of the personality, what's the word I'm looking for? the eccentric personality traits could have been linked to the fact that my mom said y'all used to run behind crop dusters and mosquito foggers oh hi mosquito foggers yeah she said y'all would run in the fog and what's i used to say that was cool he thought it was just like you know i bet that was good for our health yeah yeah well y'all did live in close to a lot of agriculture and some of the stuff they used in the past well i remember i remember man he would walk in in a cotton field and here come he was spraying

some fields and he come and he seen us and he he di-bombed us you know and hey turns it on the airplane you know sure it is hey we just do you think he was thinking wouldn't this be funny if i sprayed these two kids yeah he done it as a joke well he was spraying dd t and all that other junk you know wasn't a joke being him about to crawl like 300 yards you know didn't even get up you know and i mean hey we was moving on our hands and knees too get away from making time. You sure you didn't dream this? No.

Oh, no, this ain't a dream. This is real life. We had another one. We was on Red River catfishing, throwing out the tow line. And one was going to land on the sandbar we was fishing on. And he, I mean, he had already cut his engines and was coming down.

And he didn't, it went on and he done your wing deal. Yeah. I better not do it. Oh, wow. Did you catch that generation? gap difference i said they were online catfishing now that's a whole other meaning now side oh yeah you're on a you're on a trot-line catfish that's a whole different story now when they say you're online catfish yeah it's not good now so it's a whole different thing it's not well it's been quite a weekend

how you preached i noticed yesterday and it was a fantastic sermon yeah it was your series in hebrews which i guess i've contributed twice to you have you preached to yeah It was good, but, you know, everybody's talking about what happened with the former President Trump. Yeah, because I'm not sure when this is going to air in relationship. It'll air today, Maddie. Okay, good, good, good. So we kind of moved it up in the line because everybody is talking about, right? You can't turn on the internet.

I watched the news more in the last 48 hours than I've watched in the last 10 years. That tells you how much. Well, I said yesterday at the, because it's been a couple of days. for us here today recording since it happened. And I was driving home on Saturday from Alabama, from Gulf Shores, and I get a text, which is how you get all your news these days.

Seems like if you're not watching something. And says Trump has been shot. And I couldn't believe it. You're not supposed to be reading your text while you're doing. Well, I wasn't. BK was with me. She got the text, my 16-year-old.

And that's what I said yesterday. It was kind of one of those moments where it was like deja vu. As soon as she said it, immediately my mind went back. And I didn't even think about BK being 16, but I was 16 years old. I was coming home from school. I was a junior at Westmanor High School. It was March.

I remember it so well. And it's just one of those days you remember. And I heard on the radio that President Reagan had been shot. And, you know, I'm not even old enough to vote. But because we talked so much about politics with Granny and Paul and all that, I was very aware of what was going political. And I really loved the idea of Ronald Reagan. So I was like visibly upset of 16 years old.

But I got home, I ran to Granny and Paul's house because I knew that had, you know, having on the news. And so we sat and listened. And so when this news came, I immediately thought of that moment. And then it was kind of ironic because I had my 16-year-old granddaughter with me. And now she's asking me all these questions about assassinations and she's intrigued by it. You know, maybe not quite at the level I was at 16. but it made me think, I didn't mention this yesterday, but it made me think of what Solomon said in Ecclesiasties,

there's nothing new under the sun. I thought, you know, these things just, it's, you know, violence, evil, all the things you think about, they've been around for a long time, and they just rear and come up over and over and over again in our system. So it was insane. Well, you all know us. We mainly talk about the Bible and the one who wrote it.

but when you have moments like these, it's interesting to see the response, because here we are as, I mean, we're in the very text in Ephesians where we're the temple of the living God, spirit-filled people, and it calls us a holy nation.

And we live here as foreigners and aliens. But when you see this, it's amazing how, you know, what struck me was about three things that happened here. One is that, you know, two of the statements that, Trump has given since then.

One was kind of calling for unity, but the next one on Sunday was, there was a quote in his statement that said that God alone saved him. And really, you couple that with what his wife wrote. I encourage people to write. She wrote a letter. And it was basically. It's very powerful. Oh, it was powerful.

It was like, look, you got to realize politics is a vehicle for, making a you know cultures but the foundations are and she starts about love and family and compassion hope and love yeah she's like these things are the foundational principles for any thriving society and it closed with a statement something like you have to remember behind a politician is a family that loves the politician you know so when you combine those things I was doing this on a text today to our little my little investing group everybody knows i do my own investing but it takes a lot of time so we have a little group of people who all love jesus but we all do our own thing and we you know we hold each other accountable and because they were saying we we watched these

shows that talk about stocks but today it was all about what happened and uh there were more positive things said about don't trump because it's not even a, you know, I would say a right-leaning show, because we're just watching it from the business standpoint. I was like, it's kind of shocking. So that stood out to me, though, because when you think about what happened, you put the pieces together.

And I feel like we can offer some insight because in the moment when this was happening, and I'm looking at all these entities that are sharing the news, well, some of them are obviously detaching, like they're viewing it from a bubble. Like, you know, people who are not lined up with Trump politically, they're like, oh, he, you know, he gets up and he's like, fight. And they were looking at that as a negative thing. And I was thinking, what are they crazy?

I mean, that was the most impressive part of the whole thing. Yeah. Because what I realized in that moment is like what, you know, we have firsthand experience on what happens. And I go back to that day when I'm on my couch taking a nap. at my house and I hear gunfire. It was 2 o'clock in the afternoon and it woke me up. I thought somebody's shooting a gun at 2 o'clock. And then my phone rings and it's a law officer saying there's an active shooter in your neighborhood.

Take precautions. We're on our way. Well, I was like somebody is shooting and he said they're going from house to house. Now, in the moment, because people heard about, what happened to us and they thought well everybody lived they caught the guy who did it no harm no foul but all i get was a phone call after hearing gunshots so here's what happened this is why you wouldn't be able to commentate on that in one minute i had a i had gotten quite the arson and look i had my wife and my two daughters who were the only people in our house and i said

there's somebody going house to house of Robertson's attacking our family. Well, we had just acquired this girl from Nicaragua, who is our daughter. Well, I looked in her eyes, and it was sheer terror. Because she lived political violence. Oh, right. She was looking at me like, I mean terror. And I just very boldly but lovingly said, this is the hand we've been dealt and we fight for each other. and here's how you operate this because I had a self-defense shotgun.

I loaded it. I explained to all three of these women who had never fired a gun. If anybody walks in that door besides me, y'all figure out which one's going to do the shooting, but do that because I'm going to, you know, because I went out and took my 30-alt-6 because I thought, this is my family. I'm going to protect the perimeter. And it was terrifying. You went to high ground like the snipers.

Hang on, hang on a second. Let's take a break. Yeah, I was just using that as an illustration, though, that you have a, when you, something like that happens, there's really, you can cower, you know, you can run or you can say, you know what, they're attacking my family. And that's just what comes out in the moment. And so I was really proud of the president. and I do think that when that happened,

I mean, that's sending a message of even if he does become president of people in the world, they're like, I'm going to tell you something right now. If you shoot at him, you better not miss. I mean, because it just, his character came out. Well, no, people are forgetting. That's the commander in chief. Yeah.

Of the military. Yeah, or possibly if he's elected. Right. Yeah. Because he had already been, he's already been president. He's already been. Commander-in-Chief, well, hey, look, you shoot at me? Yeah.

Hey, okay, dude. It's on. Yeah. So the second thing I thought, too, was, you know, just because you know he found out, unfortunately, this firefighter loses his life. Yeah, this story touched me, too. Well, this was the second big thing, though, because now think about Trump's perspective here. You know, he learns that this guy who, you know, they said.

And he was protecting his. his family. This guy goes to church. They didn't say he goes to church. Ever Sunday, he's there. He's there with his family. The shooting starts. He jumps over his daughters to protect him.

And unfortunately, you know, loses his life and gets shot. But just think about what he's doing there. No, no. The very thing in Feasance 5 will get to that just jumps off the page. I mean, this guy's protecting his family. I've never failed. He lost his life. He gave his life for his family.

This is God's love in action. with scriptural evidence. This is the love of God being revealed, a person who would do that. But just think of Trump hearing that story and thinking, well, he came an inch from being that guy. Yeah. Because just like the Secret Service, you know, jumped on him,

which was a, what does everybody say, great accurate courage. Most people don't know. He called us going down the road. I always driving. Remember that conversation? And he was wondering about being baptized on exactly what was going on there. It was a very,

well, that's my point. It was a very godly conversation. But when you come close to losing your life and seeing someone else do a heroic thing and give his life up for his family, it makes you reflect on your own mortality. Yep. And it returns you to a God spiritual moment, which is why I said that I wasn't surprised that the second letter that he wrote out. was given thanks to God.

That's what happens in the real world. When you try to make everything political or look at it from, oh, well, what does this mean? And that's why I shared that story with us, which I didn't really finish. But, you know, it turned out where the guy who had shot at our houses, he did it on the road. But I didn't know that.

And my family didn't know that. I got the report, he's going house to house. And they were alerting me, which I was very thankful for. You have a threat. before we get there, do whatever you need to do to protect your family. You call me and told me the same thing. And like you said, hey, the next thing. That is true.

So I forgot about it. While I got my weapons. Yeah. He was calling me. The side doesn't live in our neighborhood. Because it seemed like the report they gave me was someone has targeted multiple houses because two of them have already been shot at. And I thought, okay, there's some kind of organized operation against my family.

Never tell you. that we found one of those bullets in my pool? No. I didn't know that. No. And you know how far away my house is from the road down there? No, no. One of those bullets traveled all the way in my pool.

We found it and gave it to the Sheriff's Department. So, I mean, it got real. And when those things happened, it does reveal character. And I'm really proud of, you know, of those things. But the third thing, and really, I mean, we're not getting into the, you know, the things that made me mad, which is, you know, I was talking to Chad Robes show at 1 o'clock in the morning because he popped up. He's been on this podcast before. And I noticed this book.

Well, he popped up on Fox News. It was literally 1 o'clock in the morning. And I sent him a text, you know. And he's texting me while he's talking. He's like, I can't hear the questions they're asking me. You know, I was like, hey, do the best you can. But he did fantastic. But, you know, and I was aggravated as he was.

Yeah. How's a guy get 130 yards? you know, on a rooftop. With a weapon. Yeah, with a weapon. And all of us who know who hunt with scope weapons realize how close that is. Well, right. I mean, you know what I'm saying?

That's not very far away. Kids can make that shot. I'm talking about hundreds of hunters. My granddaughter could make that shot in a heartbeat. Definitely. But without getting into that, we all realize that you don't have to have some expert to get up there and say, oh, well, that might have been a problem. every person with any kind of common sense, there was a breakdown.

But what I was going to say is it's also a sign on whoever this kid would, and I say he's kids, 20 years old, you also see there's a breakdown in the family at some point. You know, I mean, his dad bought him the gun. Because I thought, what would I do in that situation? And I thought, you know what I'd do? I would get up and get a mic. microphone and say, I just want to apologize for dropping the ball here in some way. I'm not saying he should do to that.

I don't know the situation. But that's what I would feel like because I was like when you have a breakdown in the family structure and you have what they kept calling him as a lone wolf where he was detached, he was bullied and all this. As soon as I saw a picture of him, I mean, I've known so many kids that look like that I went to school with. And I thought, I bet this kid had a rough time coming up. Oh, no. And they got isolated and lonely and then could pull something like this off.

And again, I don't know anything about this person. Well, and then the political climate with so much vitriol going both ways. And look, people who have fallen through the cracks of society, this is the things they do for whatever the moment. They'll figure out the motive probably at some point if they ever do. Right. But still, that's just the things that I thought off the bat, because it did get spiritual, because that's what life reminds you of that and tragedy does. And you see these moments of the love of God being revealed that shows God's presence is real.

I mean, I'm going to tell you that. It's a moment of clarity. Yeah. The one guy that lost his life is doing that to protect his family. And by all accounts, it's just a wonderful human being, making the world a better place. I just don't believe in accidents. Let's take another break. I think a default position, I think that a lot of Americans are in right now is,

you're vacillating, we're vacillating between fear and rage. And I think the kingdom has something to say about this. When we pray, the Lord's Prayer, we pray that your kingdom come, your will be done on earth, right here, just as it is in heaven. And so I was just reminded of that passage in Daniel, what says we belong to a kingdom that can't be shaken or destroyed. So our foundation is not, you think about what would, like, what is it in our culture that is leading to such just vicious anger that someone would climb up to the top of a building to shoot and murder the potential president of the United States of a building? America. I mean, that that has to be examined as a culture. And whatever we're doing with this, with our language and the way, the rhetoric that we use, like, that's got to stop. I mean, it's like we can't even have a dialogue anymore. And so I was just thinking for kingdom people,

you know, we can really speak into this moment in a way that, yeah, we're not, as you said, Jace earlier, you were kind of hitting on this. We're not, um, separatist. We're not like, you know, disengaging from the world. In fact, we will. the kingdom's here and now, but doesn't mean that we retreat from the world. We're in the world, and we believe that we should fight against injustice and the killing of innocent people, which we do. But at the same time, like, we're to embody a spirit that at the end of the day is not one of fear, intimidity, or one of rage and anger, but we kind of stand in that gap as, you know, citizens of the kingdom. I think our country, I think our world needs

that type of sobriety right now. And I was really encouraged when I saw that Trump said that he was going to change his entire speech at the condition based on what happened. I thought that was an interesting comment. He said, how could I go in there and just rip my opponents? He said, after what's happening, he said, we need something that is going to be unifying. So I think that's the direction. I hope that the whole culture moves is how do we start having.

a different conversation. Well, and that's what I was going. The reason I brought up the kid, which nobody's really bringing up stuff like that. And the reason I think parents, you know, when you break down that family dynamic, these types of things happen. But to try to combat that, I'm not, I'm not just like thinking of this just in this moment. You know, my house is designed.

It's kind of strange. I should be an empty nester because all my kids have grown up. but we have a little one that we that I've talked about before that who I saw yesterday that we're kind of like the godparents but what's happened is for years when I had four teenagers come up when we opened up our home to all their friends and you said well how do you what does that mean cook the best food that money can buy in the best way possible and guess what young people will show up it don't matter what you're going to do if you just say, look, tell your friends, we're eating here on Wednesday night, Friday night. And so, well,

we got to know these people. And my house has become one of these houses where they come to, especially during the summer, because they have camp. There's a lot of them. So I'm having large groups of young people that view that we call it the Jesus house. Because it's a, because everyone that comes in, I'm like, no, we love Jesus here. Nothing immoral or illegal is going to happen here. That's how this wrote. And they're like, sounds good to me. And it's kind of a joke, but not really. And so just in the last month, I would say dozens of people the same age, they come in there on that couch and they sit down and they start firing questions, you know, about life, about Jesus. And we just, there was one that was baptized just two or three nights ago.

And so, but that's my point. We have. as members of the kingdom, we have to be active in giving young people an alternative. And Jesus is the best alternative. Well, the evil one has attacked the family unit from the beginning. Exactly. Okay. That's where a lot of this junk we're talking about and facing now. Okay.

It's because he's won the battle, you know, because we're not combating it in the right way. Yeah. And I do think we need to be looking at that. You know, I mean, the guy needs a friend. I mean, look, they're hard. We've all had experiences with people, you know, who just show up at the church building or some situation. But at least you give it a shot. Yeah.

You know. Well, and then I'm glad you brought that up, too, about the, you and Zat, both about the idea about already seeing some changes in even Trump's reaction. You know, a near-death experience at that level. I mean, we're talking about less than an inch, really. I mean, if his head's turned the other way. It was a nanosecond. It was a non-second. It was a day.

It was a lot of it. But, you know, I remember, I changed my whole life over a near-death experience. I mean, a guy was going to kill me one day. And I realized in that moment that, man, I got a, I can't be this guy. Like, you know, this something has to change about who I am. I know. How old were you? I was 18.

But that changed my whole life, my whole perspective. That goes back to the prodigal son. Yes. Okay. Two, two, it was two involved, the older brother and the other one. The young one said, Gaggivin, he went to a distant land. Squandered. Squandered it.

Okay. And then he's envious of pegs eating slop. Yep. That's right. Yeah. That's about as low as you can get. Well, no, no. That's when you've hit rock bottom.

That's why I said, hey, this moment is a clarity. Yeah. Because then, hey, all the pretense is gone. All this junk that you think is important disappears. Yeah. Because this is where the rubber meets the road, Jack. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. And, you know, you better start, you know, like Jason was talking about when he got the news about a shooter. Yeah. Well, what are you going to do? You're going to run. You're going to stick your head in the sand like a stupid ostrich. Yeah. Or you're going to face up to it and deal with it.

Yeah. Because, folks, that's where we're at. And the best way to deal with this is, you've got to have. Jesus in your life. Yeah. Yeah. And I do like the fact that for Trump's sake, when he was under that sort of stress and shock, I mean, you know, there's a picture now that they've slowed it down so much.

You can, they've zero, you can see the bullet. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Right after it left his ear, they've got a picture of it going by. Now that's, to me, that's sunk in. I was like, that's how real that. Well, you're watching. He was about that far from death.

That far. but his initial character response in that moment because all of us, no of us never know until you're in the moment, was defiance, was fight. Fist up, you didn't get me, we're fighting. And I do think that's interesting that that, in a moment like that, the deepest part of your character comes out, and that's his. The man is a fighter.

You say what you want. When you come within centimeters of killing him, and his answer is defiance, not cowering down, crawling all. the state his thing was well that that's why i brought that up because the only time i got angry besides the perimeter not being covered just out of common sense was when i heard a few flippic comments about that and i thought what are you talking about he that that wasn't something he decided to do he almost got his head blown on that was complete that was a natural reaction there was no fault press involved no you didn't think that one threw it

It was mad. It was mad. And to think of that as anything other than a positive reaction for a leader, you know, it was just... Well, especially this particular election and the alternative. I mean, it really did paint that rather clearly. Let's take another break. But I'm like you, I think in terms of looking at this, how you're going to look at this going forward, Zach is right.

I think we had gotten to this place. And I'd say this for Trump, too. I mean, because he brought a lot of this. really acerbic stuff into politics eight years ago, you can't just vilify everybody to the point where it seems like you've got to start shooting each other to get your point across. Well, yeah, on both sides. We can't get there.

Right. We can't get there. We've got to get back at least where we can sit across around a table like this. That's one of the things I've been surprised about. You know, all of a sudden they're dropping the charges on the, you know, kind of the weaponization of the government against him. And both sides are like, hey, let's back off, pull the ads. because you realize that this thing gets to go, gets going.

And the reason they use these types of campaigns is because they work. You know, it's not, I don't really think there's any other motivation except that. And then all of a sudden, when something like this happens, everybody realizes, now wait a minute, this is not the answer. Well, the war part, okay, that should be the last. alternative, like everything else, you've got to try everything else. Yeah. Well, you realize in our society, there's a lot of mentally challenged or frail people mentally that they're listening to all this stuff and they're like, you know, I need to go do something.

You know, a loner, he doesn't have anybody holding him accountable or whatever. And I think that's the idea. And I think that's a fine conversation to have, especially in our social media age and phone age where people just get into illusions and they say stuff on that on that phone and all and on computers that they wouldn't say face to face well they lose touch of reality yeah love god love your neighbor yeah why don't we try god's way but love is a it's a we don't really know i don't think we really know the definition of love not not the way god meant it i'll give you one in 1 John 4 that says God is love.

When you think about how did God choose for us to communicate with him and it's love. That's why he said the greatest of these is love. But he didn't nullify the other things. That's why we shared Jesus. You remember in Hebrews where it says without faith, it's impossible to please God. So at some point, you're going to have to acknowledge whether you believe him or not. But the way we communicate with him is love. And he gave you a nice little definition there.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 13. And then he has that profound statement about, you know, looking into a mirror that's imperfect. But really true love is God, you know, seeing God face the past. And remember, hey, close that section out, 1st Corinthians 13, 13, 13. When everything is boiled down, it comes down to three things, faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love, which is powerful. I mean, because hope and faith are amazing. But when you read the Gospels, look, there are so many stories.

where you see Jesus kind of giving us this picture. I mean, the one that popped in my head because I'm a fisherman and I like to fish. But you remember the first time they had fished all night. They hadn't caught anything. I mean, this is their livelihood. Because most people are like, oh, what's the big deal? But, I mean, Phil, you remember when we were trying to fish the river

and had no money, we were borderline panic when we couldn't catch any fish. I mean, because we're like, well, you can't make any money. You pay the bills. I'm fixing to get hungry. Yeah. And how you eat. And so then he's like, throw you now.

on the other side. Well, you're like, what kind of pictures he's given you? It's like, you don't want to trust him in that moment. You just tried everything you could do. You're disappointed. You're depressed. You've been knocked down.

And he's saying, in this worst moment, I'm asking you to trust me. Yeah, that fits what we were talking about a while ago, though, the last thing. Because they had fished all night long. Then one catching nothing. He just walked up and said, hey, look, guys, throw the net on another side.

You know, and they probably are looking at him, thank him saying, well, you know, we're doing fished all night. Exactly. Well, you just wouldn't want to do it. But, you know, Peter says what the deal said, hey, but because you said it. Yeah. Well, and here's what's interesting about that. It happened twice. So in Luke 5, when Peter was first called, he's preaching in the boat, remember?

Yeah. And Peter and them were over there cleaning their nets and they're listening. And then he says, hey, come on getting the boat. let's go out for a catch. And then that's when Peter said, Lord, we've fished all night. We ain't caught anything. But because you said so, in other words, because that sermon was so good, we'll go give it a shot.

And then now you fast forward to the point when Jason was mentioned in John 21, it's the second time for Peter. And Peter's in the boat now. He's dead as far as they're concerned. And think how low, though, they were then. Oh, that's lower than low. I was going to bring that up. So the second time he does the same miracle, they just did the worst thing that they

possibly do on the planet, which was turned their back on Jesus. And Peter literally denied him three times after he told him he was going to do it. So I was saying that God's love just transcends our understanding so much that that was why he was doing that. In your lowest moments, when you're like, I've tried everything I could do. That's when you need him the most though. Which is where I got to yesterday in my sermon, let's take our last break. Where I got to my sermon yesterday, the crux of the moment is, which we'll talk about this, I guess maybe the next podcast, but to set it up in Hebrews 10, when you face the impossible.

In other words, when you get to a point where you're like, I got nothing, I got no answers, I got no way to deal with this situation in my life. And I'm sick of it. And I'm sick of it. I want to do something about it. I said yesterday, you can either double down on that and keep going to the same thing that hadn't been working. you can shift off to some new way to solve your problems. It won't work. Or you can finally just give up and say, all right, Lord, I'm ready for you to tell me what I need to do.

Well, you were defining the human existence. I mean, you need to give those three things again. I mean, what? So the first one is you double down. You keep doing what's not working. And some people do that. Well, that's the definition of insanity. That's right.

I thought same thing. But that's what they do. People do it. And the whole book of Hebrews was written to people that were doubling down on a system that wasn't working. It wasn't worked. So the second thing is you can find a new thing to do. Try another outlet. And so people, I mentioned atheism, immorality.

But I thought, yeah, I thought drugs, you know. All the things people try to do to fill it. Or if I had the right woman or, you know. If I had a new relationship. I got a new job. But we all know, because we're all human beings, and some of us have tried it. it doesn't work. It just leads to disaster.

Or the third one is you finally throw your hands up and say, you know what, God, I'm just going to, you tell me something different. You tell me something new and I'm ready to try that. That's where the point comes in

and talking about not my will, but yours. I've tried everything with mine. Yeah. It ain't working. My will does not work. I'm throwing mine down and throwing my hands up and said,

okay, Lord, I'm ready. Well, you were using it to the positive, you don't give up to God. But I think, unfortunately, some people just give up without coming to God. I do. Then you get into what just happened. Well, no, though. Yeah. What were you going to say, Zah? I think the submission, the giving up is what you're, what you're submitting to is, is ultimately him. And that's why you mentioned Jason, first John 4-48. He is love. So you're submitting to love. And I think that's the weapon. When the Bible says that we don't fight with weapons of this world, I think, think that's the core of the weapon that we're supposed to fight with is a weapon of love, not a weapon, these weapons of the world.

And someone sent me a quote this week about what's happening. So he who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And so as we kind of engage the evil that's around us, we have to be careful. We're not co-opting what another group is doing. Sure. I mean, I experienced frustration whenever this whole story was happening. I'm reading all the news articles. And I'm just like, you know, and the news articles that would say something like

popping noise and banging sounds. I'm like, no, it's called gunfire. And you can fill the marginalization. And so the temptation in me is to now let me fight back with that same type of, let me marginalize the opponent. But that's not what I think the Lord's calling us to. I think he's calling us to a certain. kind of sobriety that I think is actually rooted in an ethic and a spirit of love as displayed

in the cross. And I think that's what's going to change hearts is that. So I think what we're surrendering to in all of our issues is we're surrendering to the love that Christ displayed on the cross. And what that manifests in is this little word we'd like to call peace. And I come up with two other things. Okay. I think it's in 1st Corinthians 8, I think, chapter 1 8, where it says all the answers in Christ Jesus is yes.

Yes. Oh, yeah, Jason was just talking about that. Then the other part of that is, okay, there is no condemnation in Christ. Yeah, Romans 8. That's a Romans 8. Your first verse was 2nd, Corinthians 1, 18. Okay, 18. I was close.

Well, not real. You had a Corinthian and an 8. can't eat, I was close. Well, to fall up. That's why when you've reached the bottom of the barrel and you finally, then the Bible uses the word

you need to surrender and submit yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, and hey, you need to do it to the one. And that would be Jesus Christ the man himself. Yeah. Because all the answers that you won't are yes in him.

Exactly. Well, I think a lot of people, when you start talking about the love of God, you know, people are like, well, that seems like such a weak thing, you know, when someone's firing bullets, you know, at the president. But I think the point is the reason I brought up this young man, you know, if I had an opportunity, you know, to talk to him before, well, I would have loved him and shared Jesus because I know that could change his heart and give him a purpose and, you know, or, you know, pray for him or whatever.

you don't underestimate the power of that weapon you know we talk about Phil's convergent story all the time I've seen what the love of God can do and it's way more powerful than a bullet because it can take somebody being a very terribly human being and it's going to cut you to the heart yeah and and completely turning around well that's true power there when you you can change a person like this but there's also something to be said about I mean the three or four near-death experiences that I had because I'm glad you brought that up. I was pretty proud of the way I handle myself because you can't, you can think,

you can say what you're going to do, but nobody knows till the bullets start flying or, you know, I was in the cockpit on a private plane and, you know, the pilot's like, we have to make an emergency landing. Well, I looked at him and I thought, well, he needs some encouragement because it shook him up. I handled it way better, and I wasn't even flying the thing, you know. But it hit me in that moment. The reason I handled it better is because I knew I was going to be raised from the dead. Now, did I think I was fixed to die?

Yeah, because we literally just started falling out of the sky. It was like the worst roller coaster ride you've ever been on. Donald Trump knew what the gospel was, and he knew the ramifications of turning his life to Jesus. And the reason I know that is as you told him. I told you. I was right. Our first meeting, he was like.

Yeah. Which dad is so, it's almost surreal for us to be sitting there talking about this. You gave him that. You get, right. The symbols. The symbols, the same one that they gave us in the silver. But the thing about that, dad, is so surreal that the reason you were given the opportunity to even do that is because you've been doing that your whole life. Yep.

If you haven't been doing your whole life, you never got the opportunity to go into that road. That's correct. Because of your reputation. reputation because of what you had done, that man and his team said, we'll give that man 15 minutes to hear what he has to say. So it's a great testament, Dad, to living our lives for the cause of the kingdom because you never know when the consistency of your life will give you an opportunity to share the gospel with the president. When I first talked to him and first met him, he had no idea what the gospel was. And like Jay said, that's that's, that's, that's, that's

It's where the power is. That's where the power is. Well, that's why there's so much in the book of Acts, even when you get to the last chapters, you know, where Paul's on trial and he's before these kings. And, you know, what's amazing to me is that story when I think it was King Felix. You know, Paul comes out there and he starts giving the case for Jesus. And the king is kind of baffled. He's like, do you think in such a short time, you can persuade me? to be a follower of Jesus.

And so I just think in this political structure, and we live in a country that's governed by the Constitution, and we're grateful for that. And we've set up a system that there's plenty of verses in the Bible that says that God sets that up. Because imagine life without it. But we still have a responsibility to speak truth to powers, not just the things we do in our neighborhoods and taking care of orphans and widows

and looking for people who are falling through the crack. I mean, that's the church's job. I'm calling people everywhere to look for these opportunities. But we also use opportunities like this to say, well, maybe we can get God back at the center of our country. Sometimes it takes these kind of reminders like you did in your sermon excellently yesterday to show why that old Jewish system wouldn't work. It wasn't producing a functioning, God-centered culture.

The Apostle Paul was in prison. They locked him up. As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life, worthy of the calling you received. Be completely humble, gentle, patient. I mean, he's behind locked doors. He's still saying, no, this is what you do. Yeah. Yeah, and Peter would also say, you know, after all about,

you know, submit to the governing authorities and you're going to suffer and all this in First Peter 4. And then he finally gets down and you say, why? He's making the point. Christ didn't call us to a life that wasn't going to have suffering and tragedy and all that. But he said, he left you an example that you should follow in his steps. That is correct. And so that's pointing people to God, no matter what the consequences are. So the guts of Ephesians, that's the power of it. So we're out of time amazingly. That went by really quick. We didn't really plan on spend the whole podcast talking about what happened, but it's such a powerful event. I'm glad we got an opportunity to.

Remember, it's not political parties ultimately that save us. It's Jesus. That's what we have to put our trust in. I think we should pray for our country. I think we should. And we'll close it out that way. I think that's a great idea. You want to do that, Jay?

Yeah. Father, we love you. We do pray for our country and our leaders. And Father, we pray that through this, that you will be the focus. People will turn their hearts to you because we know that your love in societies across this entire globe truly works. And it makes functional societies, but it also is the pathway to be a forever family with you. And we look forward to spend an eternity with you.

Through Jesus, we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Sam. King of kings and Lord of Lord, boys. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube

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