Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 923 | Uncle Si Faces an Irate Inmate, Confronting Our Own Mortality Like Trump & Satan's Deepfake

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

Si reveals what he said to calm an angry prisoner who confronted him, and Jase describes the moment of clarity we all have when confronted by our own mortality. Phil explores the biblical perspective ...of unity, and the Bible itself can become an idol if we forget who it represents. Al discusses the “deepfake” Satan pulled that changed the entire course of our existence. In this episode: 2 Corinthians 5, verses 10-11; Ephesians 4, verses 9-13; John 1, verses 1-14; Hebrews 10, verses 1-18 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. We encourage Uncle Si to stay on with us for an episode. Sy's always good to have you here. It's always a pleasure. You got painting with my silver. That's why he stayed. Well, that's true. Somebody says silver and gold I do not have, right? I said that earlier.
Starting point is 00:00:25 You came in. Well, now you have silver. Well, you're quoting verses, too, you know. No, no, because I was preaching to a guy in jail in Oklahoma. Oh, really? And I used Paul's thing. He got in my face and he said, hey, you're a big star and you got all this money. You need to get me a lawyer and get me out of here. And I said, son, I just, I said, silver or gold, I ain't got.
Starting point is 00:00:47 I said, but hey, what I've just shared with you. Because I said, I shared with you the most important thing that you'll ever run up on your life. That's right. And I said, that's Jesus Christ, his story. Right. Who he is, what he's done in the past, the present, and future. Right. And I said, and when I leave here, because he got up my face and the deputies come out of the wall,
Starting point is 00:01:08 he'll settle him down. Yeah. But anyway, I said, hey, when I'm gone and you're in that sale by yourself, I said, these words will come back to you. Yeah. I said, you don't want no silver or gold, son. Yeah. Silver or gold can't help you where you're at.
Starting point is 00:01:25 Yeah. A lifestyle change would be. good for you. Well, and Phil on the last podcast made a good point about that. Most of the biblical writers, they were in jail in the name of Jesus. So he's not about getting you out of jail necessarily because most of them were writing letters from jail, but they were in jail for a different reason. And even then, I mean, there's a couple of moments where, you know, you had the prison break that God got them out. But for the most part, they stayed in there. Yeah, for a reason. Well, yeah. To impact people for the kingdom. It's like this, there was a guy I heard speak one time,
Starting point is 00:02:07 and he was a major drug dealer. He was homosexual. He had all these issues in his life, obviously, and he wound up in federal prison and literally just thought, well, I'm going to die here, you know, just where they have. And somebody had thrown a Bible away in a trash can. and he saw it in the trash can, he picked it up, and he started reading it. Oh, no, I heard him speak. Yeah, Christopher Ewan. Yeah, it was quite the story. Powerful.
Starting point is 00:02:35 And now, not only left the homosexual lifestyle and, of course, the drug lifestyle, but now as an advocate for God, like you would not believe, because he picked up a Bible out of a trash can, and he read it, and he thought, now here's something I've never heard before. Well, that's the power, what we were talking about, the power of God's love, you know all these passages side brought up that one it's not about yes and no
Starting point is 00:02:59 which kind of went along with your sermon yesterday but in Christ it's always yes but that's 2ndthians 5 and and what happens is everybody has this moment when you realize you're mortal and it gets your attention
Starting point is 00:03:15 it may not change your life but it gets your attention because you realize I'm not going to be here long even though people kind of denied in the way they lived their lives, and I've had moments like that. You feel like it's always somebody else, but at some point it's you.
Starting point is 00:03:32 It's going to happen. And, you know, in 2 Corinthians 5, when he talks about we groan longing to be closed with our heavenly dwelling, because he had started off that section saying that if we know that if our earthly tent we
Starting point is 00:03:47 live in is destroyed, well, it is going to be destroyed at some point. Oh, yeah, that's temporary. It's temporary. We have a, you know, a building from God. And he goes on to say we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, you know. But in between there, he's like, we do have the Holy Spirit.
Starting point is 00:04:06 We know we'll get a new body. And then he goes on in verse 11 where he's like, since we then know what it means to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. But he comes down and makes that statement where it says that we don't regard anyone in a word. worldly point of view. And he's talking about people who have the Holy Spirit of God who put their faith in Jesus. And it says, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. And so when you hear a story about this, she said, what happened? This guy's in prison. Did all these things. He finds a Bible. He surrenders to the Lord. Well, just think about having the ability to be on the earth.
Starting point is 00:04:47 lose your way, do the most awful things imaginable, and you can actually become a new creation. And we see it over and over and over and over. And it's the most powerful thing you'll see on earth. No, it is. We'll see the ramification and his ascension. What does he ascended mean, except that he also descended to the lower earthly regions?
Starting point is 00:05:14 He who descended is the very well. one who ascended higher than all the heavens in order to feel the whole universe. It was he who gave some to be apostles. They're locked up in Zale at the current time when this was written. Yeah. Apostle Paul. Some to be prophets. There's a few.
Starting point is 00:05:37 Some to be evangelists. They preach the gospel. Some to be pastors and teachers to prepare God's people for works of service so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature attaining to the whole fullness of Christ. Pretty interesting account about people who will help in this forward movement of Jesus and his death on a cross and his resurrection. Which is exactly why I would do this podcast.
Starting point is 00:06:17 So one of the reason why. You see him the guy that found that on the other side of the, on the road and the trash. Yeah. God said, I'll use you. Right. Everybody's usable. Everybody's usable.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Well, God designed this creation. Everything has a purpose. Yep. Including human. Including us. Oh, including us. You know, I say that all the time. You know, there's a lot of Old Testament verses that say when God was being blamed,
Starting point is 00:06:46 he would say over and over, he's like, don't I give rain to fall on the crops of the righteous and the unrighteous? Don't I give... They fall on both of you. Yeah, don't I give gifts to men? And you think about that, you see a lot of gifted people that God made, who are not Christians,
Starting point is 00:07:06 who do wonderful things in our society. I mean, look, when your heart starts going bad, you're not going to check and see if the guy working on you as a follower of Jesus. He has a set of skills that can help you whether he's following Jesus or not. And I believe those are from God. Now, he wants us to use them for him in his name. But I think that's, we miss that sometimes of all the things that are going on in the world. We think God's nowhere around.
Starting point is 00:07:33 But you see even that design and purpose in non-Christians and Christians and even the way the earth functions as far as what you're saying. God designed everything for a purpose. He was talking, Phil just read about unity. When I look at creation, it's unity, everything's perfect. And all, you know, all the systems work together to produce the final purpose that God intended to that. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:08:04 That's why you have rain and you have floods and all this stuff. And that's why your body heals and that's why crops grow. You can put fertilizer and it, right? But, you know, you just think if you didn't have some living agent behind this, we just take it for granted, is what I'm saying. Yeah, and unity is a cause that's larger than what we disagree on. And, of course, we've been talking some about politics and all that, but that ultimately unity is that.
Starting point is 00:08:32 And when Jesus is the drawing force that does that, that changes the things we disagree with each other over. because we realize at the end of the day, we still love Jesus. Well, Jesus overrides all that. Exactly. Speaking the truth. Speaking the truth in love. I said in one of our last podcast that I was talking about the one of the ways you know you're in the vein of the kingdom is that that word, peace, if you're experiencing peace.
Starting point is 00:09:04 And so you know, like what is the emotion? What's the, like, what is it evoking in you? Does it ultimately lead to a spirit of peace or does it lead to a spirit of unrest, rage, anger, fear, all those things? And I think that's why we've been in Ephesians. And I think when Paul talks about unity, you notice how he anchors it in peace. He says, make every effort to keep the spirit of unity through the bond of peace. And I think that there's a direct correlation to unity. And it's not that we all agree on every single thing.
Starting point is 00:09:34 That's kind of the whole point that you have diversity, but yet we're still coming. coming together in a unified way, kind of like a marriage. You know, me and Jill are two different people. You know, we're physically two different people. We're spiritually two different people. Are two different souls. I mean, where our bodies are, she's a female. I'm a male.
Starting point is 00:09:52 But yet God created a union here that together we actually become one flesh. And there's a unity in the diversity, which is reflective, by the way, of the very nature of who God is. God is three distinct persons, father, son, spirit, but yet they're one being. And so do you see the unity and the diversity? So I think that that's what kind of the picture that we're kind of moving towards whenever we think about this idea of unity. So that's a perfect segue, Zach, into the reason I wanted to decide to stay over is because yesterday I preached out of Hebrews 10 at our church. And I love it because I always gives me good feedback when I'm preaching. And the reason we're in the book of Hebrews is because we have studied it on our podcast last year.
Starting point is 00:10:37 But, you know, it's a little bit lag behind. We were just now getting to this because I like to try to keep the sermon series that we do on the podcast also at our church. Because we're giving you all your point. I'm getting all my stuff. I mean, I'm surrounded by preachers, you know, who are fantastic and teacher. So exactly. So I like to do that. But obviously, we're lagging a little behind.
Starting point is 00:10:57 But I did think about this, Jay. It's Hebrews out of Hebrews 412 says the Word of God is living and active. And sharper than... Sharper than the double-edged sword, cuts to the marrow, the idea. But that idea of it being living, and so when we studied it here, it was, we had great study and learned a lot of stuff and hopefully imparted a lot of stuff to our podcast audience. But now a year later, after what we've studied since then, stuff in Hebrews is coming even more to life. Well, right.
Starting point is 00:11:28 And even most. And that's the beauty. That's why it's living and active. I want to say this again, and I know I'm beating the dead horse here, but most times when people read that or 2 Timothy 316 all scriptures god breathe religious people just think only the bible but the bible is a person yes so person wrote it the word when you read a hebrews 412 it's it's got to be bigger than the bible it because john won you're like bigger than the bible what's bigger than the bible the one who wrote it god but it's a very important point yeah
Starting point is 00:12:05 because a lot of people say we got to get back to the Bible, and once they detach that it being about a person, they'll take random scriptures in the Bible and try to apply some doctrine that is not within the character of God. And we see it over and over and over. So I wanted to bring up John 1, because it does say, in the beginning was the word. They need to change that.
Starting point is 00:12:32 We need to get back to the Bible. what you're really getting back to is God. Exactly. And I think it's an important point because when he said in the beginning it was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God and nothing that has been made that has been made was made without him. It's like a riddle. And then when he gets to 14, it says the Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
Starting point is 00:12:56 And so that same person, Jesus in John 5, in the context of what we're going to talk about in your sermon. They, the Jewish nation, who God set up as his chosen people, were arguing with the person who actually wrote the Bible saying, we don't agree with you. We don't think this is happening. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what they were saying. And as you made this point before, which is a really strong one. I've never forgotten it.
Starting point is 00:13:24 When we were studying in the book of John, that same passage you just quoted, when you go back to Genesis 1 and see the word being spoken. the creative power of God? What was hovering over the Spirit of the Water? The Holy Spirit of God. So there's always been a connection with the Word and the Spirit in all facets, way before the book was ever written. I've taken Flack on here by saying that the Bible's about Jesus or let's agree on Jesus,
Starting point is 00:13:54 start there and then go from there and people are like, I don't know about that. It's like, what are you talking about you? What are you talking about you? This Bible is about Jesus because Jesus is revealing the God of God. of heaven and earth. And you could attach the preservation to life to that is what the Bible is about. I've been adding that because God is eternal. So the whole reason Jesus came down here is if you're going to live with God,
Starting point is 00:14:21 well, he's eternal and we're not. So something has to be done. Well, I love this because I went back, you know, and said, okay, it's not let's get back to the Bible. It's let's get back to Jesus. Yeah. okay because i everything else is meaningless yeah well people know the bible and don't know jesus and i was going to quote that john five where remember jesus said you think by the
Starting point is 00:14:50 scriptures that you have eternal life yet you refuse to come to me yeah because i'm more eternal life and you say well what was he saying he was saying the scriptures that you're hanging your head on we're about me well no no because i meant to say this enough you know you're going back to jesus okay and then you said okay what did you say and then john won in the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god uh this is the word yeah side does that for a fact it's okay yeah stay behind your mic yeah stay behind your mind it ain't the bible yeah we're talking the Well, who's the word? Jesus!
Starting point is 00:15:37 Hey, folks, use some common sense. This is a true illustration why Jesus actually makes you smart. If you met, Si, you'd say not very bright, but you're right, Sides. That's why I tell people all the time. Hey, look, you need to look at this crazy old man known as Uncle Si. Yeah. I'm living proof that the word, okay, is alive and well. So let me set this up.
Starting point is 00:16:05 Let me set it up because I told me before even I got into Hebrews Tim, he said, be sure and tell all the guys that everybody's been preaching in our church. Jay's has been preaching. We've got a couple of other guys too. And what a good job they've been doing because Hebrews has been very vibrant, very good. Now, I knew it would be because it does give you that big picture of what this is all about and how you get the whole Old Testament in with the New Testament. And it's different.
Starting point is 00:16:31 All that and all that. This book contains 66 different books. Yep. Okay. The more I study and the more I'm around people that are studying. Okay. All these books are about one person and it's all connected. That's right.
Starting point is 00:16:53 They're all connected and they make each other. They make each other's books more clear and more person. powerful. Yeah. It really is. That's why you get into this and you grow in your faith. You become convinced that this is not made up, which is a really weird moment, you know, in your faith. Because you're trying to explain that to people and they're like, oh, they're skeptical.
Starting point is 00:17:19 But the more you study it, you're like, no, no, I'm serious. They didn't make this up because if you connected it all, you're like, you're going to be convinced. What is it? 40 different authors? Yeah, 40 or 41. Over how many of years? Thousands of the years? 1,000, maybe.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Well, about 3,000. 3,000. All the way back. This thing is tailor-fitted. Yeah. Yeah, it's incredible. Woveing through history, not like. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:47 This is not a one-time event because Hebrew starts out saying with this surrounded by this great cloud of witnesses. Well, who are they talking about here? Yeah, they didn't start off then. That's 12-1. talking about everybody in this book. Yeah, everybody's been watching. And guess what?
Starting point is 00:18:05 Everybody in this book is talking about one person. I love it. Hey, when are you going to wake up, human being? Zach, what were you going to say? Zach's raising his hand. I preach, yeah, but no, I, I, the verse that, uh, Jason mentioned, he said Matthew five, but he meant John five. Yeah, John.
Starting point is 00:18:22 That, uh, that I think that's a key, a key verse that we have to think about because the question, I've pondered this for years. and I think the answer is clear from this text that is it possible. Is it possible to actually worship the Bible? Is it actually possible to take the Word of God and turn it into an idol? And it is. Because that's what he's saying to them. He's saying, you know the Bible.
Starting point is 00:18:51 You study the Bible. You study the scriptures diligently. And here's the problem. By them, you think you're saved. So the accusation of Christ was, You actually think that you're saved by the Word of God, that you miss the God of the Word who's standing right here in front of you. That's where you messed up. You missed who it was about.
Starting point is 00:19:11 And so that's what happens whenever you separate Christ from the Scriptures, which does obviously happen. It happened with the Pharisees because that's Jesus's accusation. And it certainly happens today when you elevate doctrines of Christ over the Christ of the doctrine. and you see it. I mean, you see it all the time. I feel like we should read this just because we're going around. I want to read exactly what it says. It's John 5, 39, and 40.
Starting point is 00:19:37 It says, you diligently study the scriptures, speaking of the Old Testament, because they didn't have the New Testament. You diligently study the scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. Well, now, now you asked me about, well, what did you have?
Starting point is 00:20:03 I tell you why you was preaching about Hebrew. I said, you needed to add one thing in it. Where Moses was talking to God, and he said, okay, you know, who do I, he asked God, who do I say sent me? And God told him, said, you tell them, you tell them, I am sent me. Well, that's God the Father speaking, okay. But then fast forward, Jesus. the word has become flesh and is on the premises.
Starting point is 00:20:34 What did he tell his disciples? I am. I am the way. I am the life. I am the resurrection. I am the truth. I'm the gate. Yeah, I'm all of it.
Starting point is 00:20:43 I'm the shepherd. That's why I'm going to start everywhere I preach from now. I'm going to start with. Jesus is greater than everything. Yeah. No, you're right. Yeah. I mean, his nickname is I am.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Yeah. Just think about it. I know. That's why I said, I was the only thing you missed was, hey, you need to bring, I am. And I actually saw it because it's in the text that you're right. That could have been a whole other point. All right, let me set this up.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Set it up. Because if you read the verses that you read yesterday in Hebrews 10, they seem, I forgot what the phrase I used to you, they seem archaic. You know, it doesn't seem practical. And to size point, and Zach, what they were making is if you detach Jesus from the Bible or God as a person from the Bible. Bible, what happens is you get detached in your life. God gets detached in your life. So you can go, we start doing modern day temple worship, which is what the Jewish nation was built on. They kind of
Starting point is 00:21:42 it's like you push them in the ditch. They're not on the highway. Well, right. So that's the setup. Yeah, that's good. And in fact, I made the point yesterday, which I just made it, but I did right in the middle kind of the crux of the sermon. I said a lot of people have approached me and said, my life is a mess, but you know what? I know I need to go to church more. I know I need to read my Bible. I know I need to pray. So they start giving you what they think.
Starting point is 00:22:08 I've heard it thou. That means that has to be heard that. Oh, yeah. And so what you're, and I said yesterday, all those are good things. There's nothing wrong with meeting with the brothers. There's nothing. Of course, reading your Bible's good. But none of those things can accomplish what you're trying to get to with them because
Starting point is 00:22:22 you don't know Jesus or in the case of Ephesians 117 days. You don't know him well enough. Yeah, because he said, I want to know him better is what the Jesus. What's the first importance? Jesus, right. That would be Jesus. All right, here we go. So side of your point, you were telling me to tell the guys, because the week before, last week, the guy was preaching before me, David, he preached on Hebrews 11.
Starting point is 00:22:53 I mean, I'm sorry, Hebrews 9. And Jason kind of was going to get into that at Hebrews 9. I was, but we had visitors. We had visitors. And so he basically shared the gospel, which was great. So Dave took that, and he talked about Hebrews 9, and what he did was, it was amazing. I encourage you guys to go watch it a bit for our church because one of our staff members is an artist, and she's amazing. And we've done this before.
Starting point is 00:23:16 Trent used to do a lot where when he preaches, she draws a picture on a big board. I mean, it's just a blank board when she starts. But she literally, while he's preaching, draws out on a board in an artistic way what he's talking about. It's amazing. Speaking of talents given to human beings. Oh, my goodness. Because it's incredible. The old covenant, then the new covenant.
Starting point is 00:23:37 Yep. Okay. And why we were talking about it, it won't work. Exactly. That was the reason Christ established the new covenant. So they drew, she drew a picture. He preached and I'm in Hebrews 9 now, but I'm setting up what I went into. And she drew a picture of the old tabernacle and temple.
Starting point is 00:23:56 And there's a lamb there and the sacrifices and all that. And then she took red paint and sprinkled all over. Blood everywhere. Bloods everywhere. because that was what was happening. They said, you know, sprinkle with blood. Then she drew a picture of a modern-day church building, ours. Yep.
Starting point is 00:24:10 And she did the same thing. And she talked about how people will do that. They'll say, well, that's my new temple. This is where I go. This is my sacrifice. You can't eat in it. Exactly. And so they paint that picture.
Starting point is 00:24:20 And in the middle, they had a curtain. And then when he gets to the big part of his sermon, they pull that one off and it was a cross. And it had blood all over, or red paint all over to represent that that's the one. That's where you find everything pulled together is who Jesus is and what he did. That's how you approach the holiness of holiness. So that was all up on stage. And I asked him to leave it up because so when I come in to Hebrews 10, which by the way is an extension of that whole conversation,
Starting point is 00:24:49 the Hebrew writer just kind of wraps that up and then asks for a response from us. When he gets to that point, it's interesting. I took one step further back and I said, look, the reason all this is in place is because somewhere, before we were ever created, a being made a decision that God's will wasn't enough for him anymore. His will had to be number one. We don't know much detail about it,
Starting point is 00:25:16 but the Bible gives us enough clues that this being, that we know is Satan, the evil one, all the names in the Bible, he made a decision that God's will wasn't good enough for him anymore. And his purpose, he didn't want to... He didn't want to fulfill whatever his prayer. And we don't even know,
Starting point is 00:25:30 because he's not the same as us. He's not a human being. There's a few illusions in Ezekiel, you know, how about he lost his place in heaven, you know. And I think there's something to that. He was created for a purpose. Yep, yep. Just like Adam and Eve.
Starting point is 00:25:44 It was completely laid out. He gave them dominion. You worked the garden. You can eat the tree of life, which means you live forever. But now they have, you just think what happens, which you made the point. You were just giving a summary. But now this evil being, this spiritual being, Satan is then tempting other created beings.
Starting point is 00:26:07 Even though they were different from him, they have bodies to do the same thing he did. Right. And he didn't make them do it because they chose to do it, but he just presented that. And we had a purpose, the first man and the first woman, they had a purpose,
Starting point is 00:26:21 they were in the garden, they were fulfilling the earth with people, and they were having a relationship with God. Everything was great. And then he had a whisper and said, you will be like God, if you do what he told you not to do, knowing good and evil. And I was like, that point is where the first two human beings said, you know what, God, not your will, but mine.
Starting point is 00:26:44 And from that point forward, we've all made that choice at some point in our life where we chose our own will over the will of God. So I just want to make the point. I use the modern terminology because I wanted to bring it, as Jason was describing, into the modern, where you wouldn't get stuck with the animal sacrifice, but think this matters today. And I use deep fake and cheat fake. These were political words that I've been hearing,
Starting point is 00:27:07 and I had to look them up. It's about AI is what they're about. And we talked about now on the podcast. I even mentioned Jay's talking about eternal intelligence. But the idea is Satan is the inventor of the deep fake. He started that, and then he starts this cheat fake that that anything can fulfill your life other than God. It's not true.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Yeah, it's completely false. It's the opposite happened. Right. So we get to Hebrews chapter 10, and it was really interesting because the text sets it up. It says the law is only a shadow. That was my first point. Shadow of the good things that are coming, active verb, not the realities themselves. So he says right off the bat that this whole setup is shadow.
Starting point is 00:27:49 It's not a real thing. And I would put in here since we are in a world of fantasy. Yeah. That shadow is a fantasy. It is. Everything's a fantasy nowadays, fantasy football, fantasy did. That's a great point. You're all serious.
Starting point is 00:28:05 You're right, because then we're all active, like, just because a guy makes 10 catches, like, we're in the game. No, you're not. You're not in the game. You're just watching it. No one cares. That's a great point, so. And so he says that, it's only, so it's not reality. For this reason, the rest of verse one, it can never, by the same sacrifices, repeat it endlessly year after year, make perfect those who,
Starting point is 00:28:28 draw near to worship. In other words, it's non-effective. Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? In other words, his point is, if this would work over thousands of years of making sacrifices, it should have worked. But it didn't. People still had the bad conscience. They still have the civil. And I go back to what I said. Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. But there is a hidden, you didn't talk about this, but there is a hidden truth in here that when what God is revealing to us is where there are sins and when you decide not to fulfill his will and purpose there are consequences. Correct.
Starting point is 00:29:09 Even when they sinned and disobeyed, you notice that they realized they were naked and he made animal skins covering for them, which means what? There was a couple of animals that died. There was even a consequence for them to be covered. You know, so I do think that theme is there, but go ahead. And the idea that cleansing comes to something else, because the next line, he says, for the worshippers, would have been cleansed once for all, because this is ongoing. And here's the key.
Starting point is 00:29:41 And would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. Uh-oh. Now, where does that come from? In other words, now we've introduced something new. It's not just quid pro quo. I have an action. I go make a sacrifice. We're all good.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Everything's good. till the next time I show up. Now he's talking about something inside you that says, you know what, that's wrong. But you know, I think you really hit on something. We all know the Bible and we take this for granted. But even bringing up a possibility 2,000 years ago in a letter that there's somehow a way not to be guilty about your sins,
Starting point is 00:30:14 it's so fascinating. It is. That every human being should get up on the front row and say, what? Yeah. I mean, just think about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got my sins. Y'all got y'all's.
Starting point is 00:30:25 We're talking about there. The fact that you're saying that this didn't make you feel guilty for their sins is implying there is a way for you to live and not feel guilty for your sins? Well, that's for that thing where it comes in and why I love it. God says once you are, you've reenacted my son's death, burial and resurrection and come out of the water, I've made you a new creation. Exactly. We're back to that same principle. Yeah. Exactly. All right.
Starting point is 00:30:58 Go ahead. All right. So it's not reality and now it's not effective. And I use an illustration about effectiveness talking about how we order this stuff that comes in the mail and we get it. And in size words, it's a piece of junk. It ain't, it ain't. It won't.
Starting point is 00:31:14 It's funny. And I thought of a lot of funny ideas you could have done, but I'm glad you didn't because what you were saying was more important. But immediately it jumped in my head when I ordered a knife one night. Because I saw he cut through a shoe, you know, and it just got me. I thought, that thing will cut through a shoe. The big cuts through a shoe, I got to have it. And the first thing I used it for, the thing broke.
Starting point is 00:31:38 The knife broke. And then I thought, well, why did I need to cut through my shoe anyway? If I needed to cut through my shoe, I needed to go to the hospital. No, no, I don't know, Fowles, but I got to say this, what I got on my mind. The old covenant and then the new one. Christ established the new one. Mm-hmm. That means the old is gone and the new is right.
Starting point is 00:31:58 Okay, well, here's the thing, okay? We talk about shadows and fantasies and all this stuff. Hey, go with the original. Yeah. Original is better. Okay, the original is the real deal. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:32:11 Yeah, you know, I was making the point, and Jay's made it beautifully, because we try to get the cheap knockoffs to do with the original good stuff does better. Hey. You got to go, when you want a knife, look, it's going to be expensive. Go buy you a good knife. You may not be cutting through shoes, but it's going to work. I deem that as a sin that I spent $20 for a knife that broke. Well, I don't know about sin, but it was ignorant.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Ah, it's going to see it. So it's not reality. It's not effective. And then here's verse three. Those sacrifices, the Hebrew writer says, are an annual reminder of sins, which is a really strong point. You think about it. So it's not effective.
Starting point is 00:32:50 It's not reality. Also, you can't forget. it's unforgettable. In other words, this process only reminds you year after year after year. I'm not right. Well, that's why that new creations is so important. Yeah. God says, hey, I remember them no more.
Starting point is 00:33:10 Yeah. Well, we'll get to that. And I did the illustration of how in relationships, and I mostly deal with marriage stuff, when someone violates a covenant with another person, there's only a certain way to get about healing and moving forward. Otherwise, the event becomes a reminder year after year after year that we had a break in our covenant. And it happens all the time.
Starting point is 00:33:33 You don't have true forgiveness. And when you don't have true repentance, which go together, by the way, you will never get to true submission. Well, you'll never stay married. And you won't stay married. And you'll wind up leaving and then you take all your problems into the next marriage. Because it's like you got information in a joint. Right. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:33:50 It's just festering. That's right. Every time you bring it up, throwing my faith, it's festering. It's an unheeled wound. It's an unheeled wound. All right, so now we've got, we've got unaffective, I mean, not effective, not a reality, not able to forget. And then here was the big one in 10-4. It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
Starting point is 00:34:16 It's not even possible for the system to work because it was never designed to work. I look at that is, okay, all of that is no worth. Right. Well, you asked a good question. I think everybody thinks of it at this point. Well, if it was impossible, why did God do it? And in fact, and I want to mention this because there's a podcast listener, and I don't have your name in front of me.
Starting point is 00:34:39 I'm sorry, it was a woman that asked that question. She said, why would God do that? Why did he set up this system? Why did he set up a system that doesn't work? So here's why I think he did it, is that, and this I mentioned in the last podcast, because when we get to this point where we realize that we have, we can't do it ourselves, we're at an impossible place. That's what God was creating for us to see.
Starting point is 00:35:02 Then you have three possible responses. One is you double down on the system. You just keep doing it, which is what was happening here in Hebrews. The reason he wrote the book is because they were just kept doing it. And they were like, no, no, wait. Remember the Messiah, the woman talking about all this? The prophecies and all. He came.
Starting point is 00:35:18 He came here. He took care of all this. He's established a new covenant to your point. But they double down. They just said, you know what? It's all we know. We're just going to keep doing. Yeah, we're going to go back to it.
Starting point is 00:35:28 So that's one thing. And you can make that application into a person's life now. I'm just going to keep doing the same thing, even though it's not working. Second thing is you can check out and create a new system for yourself. Now it's going to be, I'm going to fill this hole that can't be filled with more sin. Or other gods. Or disbelief. Or, yeah, I'm going to turn into a, you know,
Starting point is 00:35:50 whatever political idea. I mean, wherever people go to try to fill that. And that usually doesn't work. And the third one is, is when you say, you know what, I'm going to ask God, what can I do because I have no answers. And so that's what God has been driving for. And even all of Jewish history is to get you to the point where Jesus is all you want and all you know. So I think that's the answer to the question. And the reason why is, and I'm just going to read this next text, because I don't give you the whole rest of the sermon, you can go and watch. it because we're going to run out of time. But here's what he says, Hebrews 10.5, therefore, when Christ came into the world.
Starting point is 00:36:29 And I just stopped there yesterday. I was like, he could have just stopped it right there because that's the answer to all of it. He came here to solve this impossible problem that we couldn't figure out. And we kind of talked about me and you after your sermon, how that tied in with Hebrews 2. Yes. Because all of Hebrews 2. Ephesians too. I mean, no, Hebrews, too, where he talked about becoming a human.
Starting point is 00:36:54 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, there's a whole section. I read it about three podcasts ago. No, you're right. Hebrews 2, 5 through 18. Because what did I call you? I said, the human game changer. But this is so important because that's the biggest problem the Jews had a problem with
Starting point is 00:37:12 as his chosen people was that God could become a human. Well, that was like, what are you talking about? that can't happen because the God they were following was not a human at that time but even though the scriptures were saying a son of man is coming that's right and so Jesus is saying I'm here and so Hebrews 2 5 through 18 explains why he did that in fact to the point to where he said and I'm not ashamed that I did it that's right and so it's very powerful because it says he came to destroy the work of the evil one. It set up all these precedents, which is, I think when you read this one verse, therefore when Christ came into the world, you must go back and read Hebrews
Starting point is 00:37:58 too, because that was where he set all that up. No, you're right. So good. And I even said he was the final solution for all problems. It's where the son of God becomes the son of man. All that happens in this moment. And then look at this. Now, this is what I wouldn't have discovered before, Jason, until we talked about on the podcast, because he's about to quote, he said, then Christ came into the world, and he said, talking about Christ, and then he's going to quote Psalm 40. So this is Christ speaking through David, through the spirit of Christ. A thousand years earlier.
Starting point is 00:38:32 This is incredible. It's a mind vendor. It's very good. But look what he says. He said, here's David speaking in Psalm 40, which that Psalm is so amazing. But here's what, here's the part where Jesus is literally given a prophecy about it. himself. Sacrifice and offering you did not desire. And then listen to this, but a body you prepared for me. A human body. A human body. Which we've talked about here, Jason said Hebrews too. He said this
Starting point is 00:39:00 a thousand years earlier. Then he goes back to his original point with burn offerings and sin offerings. You were not pleased. In other words, this system won't work. Then I said, Jesus, through David, here I am, to your point side. That's where I could. That's where I could I've got to took off and done a whole thing. Oh, yeah. Here I am. It is written about me in the scroll in this book. I have come to do your will, oh, God.
Starting point is 00:39:25 Which is why I brought up to John 5. The Hebrew writer said the same thing Jesus said. You think by these scriptures, you can have eternal life that these are written about me. And here's an example. Exactly. Psalm 40. Which parallels, I mean, almost, there's such a beautiful parallel to, from John 5 to John 17, 3. of where you really get eternal life.
Starting point is 00:39:47 Jesus said it's to know the one true God and Jesus Christ is some of whom he sent. Then you go right, well, so who's the one true God? Well, you go right to Hebrews 1 of 8. But of the son, he says, your throne, oh God. Yeah. What's you saying there? Christ, the son is God. Your throne, oh God, is forever and ever.
Starting point is 00:40:11 The sceptor of uprightness is the scepter. of your kingdom. And I think that when you think about the book of Hebrews, there's a little book that was written. It's kind of easy to help us but remember this. They wrote about this acronym called Hands about the book of Hebrews, and it's basically, the name of the book is putting Jesus in his place. Let me read this. Hands, H. Jesus shares the honors of God. A, attributes. Jesus shares the attributes of God. N. N.
Starting point is 00:40:43 Jesus shares the names of God. D. Deeds. Jesus shares the deeds of God, and then S, the seat. Jesus shares the seat of God's eternal throne. So you're seeing the book of Hebrews is making this case. And when you get to 10, that's why when he says it's kind of towards the end of chapter 10, he basically says, if that ain't enough for you, there's nothing else. I mean, if you keep on sin in, actually.
Starting point is 00:41:10 You've received that. There's nothing left. Like, Jesus is not only even more than enough, I mean, he is the fulfillment of all of this. And so it's all pointing back to this person of Jesus Christ. Okay. Jesus was the son of God, but okay, here comes the son of man. And a lot of people ask questions, what are we doing here? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:34 Well, you don't understand, okay. Jesus, the word left heaven and became flesh. Okay. He was born of a woman, man. That's right. Jesus knows mankind. When times it reached their fulfillment. And what's the problem?
Starting point is 00:41:51 It's God and man. So why not have someone representing both? The first man sin, that was Adam. Uh-oh. Well, hey, guess what? Here comes the second man that didn't sin. Yeah, that's right. So here, let me wrap it up to give you the rest.
Starting point is 00:42:08 Yeah, because I want you to get the end of this. A thumbnail, because it's pretty powerful. So, Zach, you made a point a few podcasts back, and I worked that in my sermon. And after Psalm 40, I thought, man, it's such a rich song that David is saying, man, I just, I'm searching and I'm seeking. And then we get to Psalm 51, which is after the whole Bashiba affair situation. And now look, he's in his impossible situation because he has made a mess of things, his family, the kingdom. And then he uses words in Psalm 51, have mercy on me, wash me, cleanse me, crush me, restore me, renew me,
Starting point is 00:42:43 created me a new spirit. All those things he's realized. And then he says later, you didn't desire the sacrifices that I've been offering the whole time. You wanted this. You wanted me laying everything I have out to you. And so I made that point. And then I went to the cross.
Starting point is 00:42:58 I went to Jesus on the night before he died when he was having the most human a moment. It's his most son of man moment to me. Yeah. Is when he's facing the weight of the sin of all of humanity. And he says at the end of the end. end of this little wrestling session with God, not my will, but yours be done, which is where we all get to, right? Yeah, but he said, hey, look, Paul, is there any other way we can pull this off?
Starting point is 00:43:24 Right. Part of the declaration, though, I think he used to use the term son of man. Like, this is also a reference to the Old Testament, whenever this is used in the New Testament. And what he's saying is, hey, you know the guy in Daniel chapter 7? you know that guy that they were when they had the vision the prophet or the prophet Daniel saw
Starting point is 00:43:46 predicting the coming of the eternal kingdom yes yes so this is connected today and he said I saw in the night visions and behold with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man and he came to the ancient of days and was presented before him
Starting point is 00:44:04 and to him who the son of man was given dominion and glory and a kingdom that all people's nations and languages should serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which shall not pass away and his kingdom, one that shall not be destroyed. We actually mentioned this last podcast that this is, so when they talk about Jesus being the son of man, it's not just saying that he's the son of man. It's actually a declaration of his dominion, of his power, of his authority, of his lordship of his, I mean, he, that he's saying that he is
Starting point is 00:44:36 the Christ. And that's why when you get that Psalm 51 passage, I mean, only to a holy God can you come and cast yourself at his feet. And Jesus is that holy God. I think that's kind of the... Now I'll finish because he only has two minutes. So the last point, so he said there's a shadow, not reality. There's a solution, Jesus. And then the last point that Hebrew writers makes in this section is what I said was the sanctifying spirit.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Here's what he said in verse, Hebrews 1015. The Holy Spirit, so he's bringing him into play now. Yeah, first he brought up Jesus. and David, now he's in the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. And then he's going to quote Jeremiah 31. And listen to this. This is so powerful.
Starting point is 00:45:20 This is like going back and quoting Psalm 40. In Jeremiah, it says, this is the covenant. I will make with them after that time. Say, you said this over, the new covenant. I will put my laws in their hearts and I will write them on their minds and their sins and lawless acts. I will remember no more. Now, how is it ever going to get inside of us at that place? How would that possibly happen?
Starting point is 00:45:44 Only because when Jesus left, he sent his spirit. And that's what convicts us now. So we talked about how do we get convicted? How are our consciences? No, because the Holy Spirit lives in us. And look, when we're living in the Spirit, our sins will be remembered no more. And then that's that to your point in verse 18. And where they have been forgiven, there's sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.
Starting point is 00:46:06 In other words, now we have the Spirit of God. That's why we're cleansed. That's why we're perfect. That's why we're in him. And that's why he did what he did for us to do that. And that's why in John 14, 15, 16, and 17, he said, unless I go and send the spirit, you'll never fully understand why I came. And why this system, by the way, that's why I wanted you to get to that point.
Starting point is 00:46:28 Because I feel like sometimes in churches, somebody should just get up and say, look, your problem, a lot of our problems are this lack of forgiveness, even forgiving yourself. No, no. That's one of our big major problems. Yeah. When you read this, he's like, because of you that you're surrendering to Jesus and you have God's spirit now in your inner being, you are dwelling with God. And God says, I will not remember your sins anymore.
Starting point is 00:46:58 Will you just need to say, well, if he's not going to remember them, I'm not either. I'm not either. That's over. Yeah. And you're like, do I need a 10-week lesson to? Nope, you need a 10-second acknowledgement that those sins are gone. And if you would just do that, look, it's amazing how God's grace inspires you, lights your fire, and that's how we get the motivation to live like him.
Starting point is 00:47:25 But here's the thing that most people don't get, okay? You've got the Trinity, God's the Father, God's the Son, God's the Spirit. Okay, and here's the way this goes. God so loved the world that he's in his son Okay The son comes and does his remarkable thing About dying on the cross fork
Starting point is 00:47:45 And takes care of our sin and death problem Okay Yeah And then the son bodily ascends to heaven But hey He said don't worry guys Just once I leave
Starting point is 00:47:59 I'm not going to leave you alone I'm going to send my spirit back to you Exactly There's three and but there's three of them them, but they're one in everything. And we're in it. And we're in it. So next week, I get to follow up, which is a great blessing.
Starting point is 00:48:15 Back when I used to preach all the time, you got to do this, but now I only preach infrequently. But I get to follow up with the back half of this text. And it's really interesting because the whole text is about how do we respond to something so good. And it's one phrase. I'm going to tease it right now today. The one phrase is, don't turn back.
Starting point is 00:48:34 In other words, all the things we could do in response to that is don't go back to the old way. Don't do that. Go with the original. Go with the original. So much better. All right, we're out of time. Sy, thanks for standing over and being a trooper. We appreciate it.
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