Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 93 | Cleaning Up After Phil's 'Shock and Awe' & Jase's Western Movie Awards | Guest: Zach Dasher

Episode Date: May 24, 2020

Phil's nephew Zach Dasher stops by and is nearly disowned by Jase for a serious Robertson family blunder. Al, Jase, and Zach trade hilarious stories about their unsuccessful attempts to get Phil to tone down his most unfiltered remarks. But first, catch the debut of Jase's Western Movie Awards. Categories include the best realistic gunfight, the most underrated Western, and the best movie you've never heard of. See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1 - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am Unashamed What about you? Well, Bo's come up for a visit to Unashame. Yeah. I think there's a Okay, thank you.

All right, well. I still got a copy. Oh, yeah. Look at that. I guess maybe I was inspired by Phil's, you know, when he told us about his dream. I woke up because a lot of people had interacted with me over our discussion

on the Outlaw Josie Wales because I would not hire a guy for the simple fact in the duck call room that I would say 25% of the conversation in the duck call room on a yearly level discusses the movie Outlawed Josie Wales so there was a guy that I said

all right he wanted a job I said go home watch Outlaw Josie Wells we'll come back tomorrow see where we're at he came back I said okay how was the movie and he said well I didn't watch it I said, well, you're fired. You may go now. You didn't even hire me.

He got fired before he got hired. That's right. You may go now, which is the tombstone life. You had one job. That was the test. And it was a very enjoyable test because he didn't know what he missed. He didn't know what he missed. You can't work.

I mean, the greatest Western of all time. Yeah, although Jersey Wales. So I feel good about that. you go. I've never seen it. See? I've heard about it. We were just talking about this last night. I said, I need to see it because you guys talk about it all the time. You've never seen that?

I've never seen it. Okay. You may go now. Let's introduce. You're not going to be on our podcast. Zach, if you've never watched us. This is Zach Dasher, formerly my cousin. He's now entering a probationary period of whether he can remain a cousin in this. First cousin. I've always wondered what was wrong with you.

Because all of us have quirks. Well, y'all got our issues. How did you go this far and miss that? You haven't heard us talk about it? Yeah, I have. I just, I mean, you guys have referenced it like a thousand times. And I was, I mean, last night I'm having this conversation with Gary. And I said, I got to see that movie because they talk about it, all these quotes.

And I just haven't seen it. It's disturbing. Hey, Gary's seen it? Oh, he's seen it. See? I mean, sorry I got sidetracked here, but I'm in shock. Because I thought all of our family members were at least. on board with that.

I'll get my board. So we've talked a lot about Jan, dad's youngest sister that passed away last year. So Zach is Jan's son. So our audience is familiar with Jane because we talk about a lot. So she's the one that basically is the reason why you became a Christian because she wouldn't give up and basically got you to the right people. And by the way, she led many more people to the Lord also.

I mean, she got it. Oh, yeah. And we'll see her again. Yep. So I woke up. And this just came to me, and I wanted to share this with you. Y'all have no idea what I'm going to go over. I told out.

By the way, podcast audience, this is the way it goes. Like, we're fixing to hear this for the first time. So you're re-reacting with you. I'm taking a momentary pause from our normal scheduled broadcasting. There are no notes for this, boy, boys. Because I woke up and I thought, man, all these people are sending me these messages, and thank you for introducing the outlawed Josie Wells. So I'm not alone.

Yeah, there were other people. But I assume they were youngsters. I didn't think somebody in my own family of your age was dumb enough to miss this. I mean, whenever we feel strongly about something, okay, I get it that you probably shouldn't listen to us unless we have a duck calling a hand or the Bible. By the way, the movie's like 35 years old. Who's county now? So what I did is I woke up this morning. this morning without there's no prep to this and I thought okay I did it took me the normal

five minutes to realize I was still alive where am I because you what you don't really just snap too I know I think it's a problem that's going to cause some issues because I mean we had we I wouldn't know that except we're on vacation together I get to kind of see how everybody willie wakes up like a like a bear coming out of a den with hair everywhere and jesus like just spaced out and he's a man that's never been drunk Right. And yet he's already told us before he's in a fog. Like me, I woke up, but I knew what was causing my hair.

I knew that. I will interject that. Here's a non-alcohol, man. Okay. I'm having withdrawals from being high on Jesus. Because I did share Jesus all day yesterday and night. We'll save that story for later because it's a long one. But it was good.

So I introduced Jesus to some hellions who needed it. I was once again cornered. And when cornered, you come out firing. If you corner me dropping F bombs, I have one method. I am really fixing to make you think about those three questions. How you got on the earth? What are you doing here? And how are you leaving?

So let me introduce a five-letter word to you. You're giving me a four. I'm giving you a five. They were kind of young punks, you know. And trust me. at the end of the conversation, the momentum had turned. There were no more F-bombs being dropped. That's a story for a different time.

So I came up with nine Western Awards for our audience. Did you dream this? Did you dream this? Because you said something earlier that a dream. I just figured that since it came to me after the dream, I woke up, I don't remember my dreams. Do you ever quote Thomas Jefferson in a new dream? Phil kind of inspired me on that because I was like, I'm going to try to remember what I dream tonight.

We couldn't do it. I mean, I dream about things where I'm walking with Thomas Jefferson. Well, you do kind of have a Mount Rushmore face. I mean, you already see Dad's new book cover. You know, and Dad looks like he could go on, right? So I want to give the this is, you won't read this in a book. There's no, these are the Jace.

It's me. Western Awards. Western Awards. Number one. Number one. The best Western with the most one-liners. Tombstone. I can't argue.

I have seen tunesone. If you hadn't seen two times, you're out of here. I'm telling I was shutting this down. And I've got a lot of it memorized. Yeah. Yeah, I've got all the lines. I know.

Let's have a spelling contest. I have used myself. Poor soul, he's just too high strong. You know what's funny to me is when I look over at my wife, you know, I'm kind of getting in the mood. I'm feeling the vibe. And I said, well, darling, are you wearing a bustle? She's just stoned face. That's no idea what I'm doing.

She's probably, did she ever watch me? What's your old guy's name? No. That was Val Kilmer. Val Kilmer. He should have won an Academy Award. Yes. Oh, it was a, it burns me up.

Movies like that. And when acting. performances like that go unnoticed yeah that's why i have the jace awards okay number two the best music you want to guess in an old western best music in an old western so you are not in tune it because it's obvious the good bad and the ugly oh yeah da-da-da-da-da-da-da-down down down i mean when i heard too-too-too-too and then at the end think of how many commercials when they had the standoff. They used that.

I mean, I think it's from Spain, France, somewhere of that music. Somebody actually took our duck footage, maybe it was Italian, and made a, like a highlight duck footage to that music. Was it awesome? Did it make it better? It was awesome. And I also added a little note. They also, I thought, had the best close-ups.

They, like, introduced the close-up to the old. Western, you know, as in, you know, you're looking into their eyes. Well, that was the, what's his, Sergio Leone? Wasn't he the director? I like the soundtrack on the once upon a time in the West. Yeah, well, I thought about that when you mentioned the concept. That's a different category. I'm getting to that movie.

That did make the top nine. That's the same director, right? Did he direct? I don't think so. Oh, is a different one. Not all of these are completely positive, but this is, I don't know. I just, like I said, I woke up and I wrote these down. The best Western you only watch once.

Dances with Wolves. Too long, yeah. It seemed like I lost a third of my life there. I love the movie. It was really good. And you need to watch it. But I'm like, I've never gone back. Yeah.

Because I thought, man, I'm dying here. But what's funny, though, Jays, is that it's probably not any longer than the good, the bad, and the ugly, because that's a long movie. But somehow the way they wrapped it up, it just didn't. I think it's Kevin Costa. I think it's more of... Maybe it's more of the drama. It's not as much fighting action. I view Kevin Costner like, sigh, he's great in small doses.

Yeah. But the longer it goes on, I'm out. Although he did make the list for another movie. All right. The... Which is the next one. The best realistic gunfight in a Western. Open range.

You are correct, sir. Very impressive. Open range. After you wake up about midway through the movie, I love the movie, but snooze fast first half. It's a little bit slow. And then all of a sudden, because in all these westerns, they miss something.

Because I always put myself in these westerns, what would I do? I'm not going up there having a conversation before we have a duel. When we walk out there, boom, which is what happened in that movie. It was the greatest duel ever when he just walked up and, He was like, you're the one to beat up my friend, boom. I've got a tip. Yeah, I enjoy doing it, boom. Yeah.

He said, yeah, and I enjoyed it, too. Boom, he gone. But then, so then they started backing up because that's how it going. And there were people missing. Plus, you're nervous. He knew that was the one guy he had to deal with. Everybody else was just a bunch of ranch hands. Having shot many firearms, what they did with that,

whoever was the head of the audio. that that's what that's what those rifles you know the old henry rifles whatever they were shooting there yeah but but but that's the kind of sound plus it was they had that sound of sound of the weapons that's what they'd sound and most shots were missed which would be realistic yep didn't hit the target and the old boy about you know that was behind the shotgun yeah they had the and i don't know how they did that it looked but you know if you shoot something at close range of course this is a movie I mean, so we're not being morbid. But, I mean, you shoot something close, right?

It's going the other way. And they, they, somebody had thought about that. Yeah. But that movie also had one of my all-time favorite lines when the old guy says the old Irish guy, he's like, he shot me. And he says, and for what? More cows? Yeah, I mean, that's like, that line.

Well, the other line, it had some good lines in it. When he asked him, you know, right before they went into the battle, he said, I, I want know your name you know and i mean of all things you thought he's making to say i like the old guy says oh what he said i tell you what these cuban cigars got me all right he said he said you got old time or did you get hurt in the gunfight he said now i fell off a stool he's these cuban cigars got me all hot up you know yeah because they all got their cigars get them going all right that was good uh best sound effects they call me trinity and that whole series of movies And those were comedy westerns, but the reason I put best sound effects, there's just something about, if you hadn't seen those movies.

It's been a few years since then. When he, you know, the opening scene, I'm not sure it was they call it a Trinity of one of those movies. Because there's like three of them, right? Oh, there's more than that. Oh, really? There's like 10. I've seen them all. That's why I get them all mixed up.

When he took that black iron skillet plate of beans, and that wasn't like some kind of edited, he ate that entire pan. That's how I've been seen of beans. I thought that dude is a bomb. You know what I'm going to? Have you not seen that movie? Well, it's been years. It's been. And the Trinity series is good.

Oh, look, Phil, the guy goes to draw a pit. This guy's like, he, like, introduced Kung Fu before Kung Fu was cool in the western scene. Before he ate all the beans or after. After he ate the beans, he, uh, like somebody would go to grab his pistol and he'd slap them. you know he he had these little you know there they get pop he grabbed his gun and these were these were spaghetti westerns they were laid in the same time eastwood was doing his thing they're comedies but it was a it was at the time i guess a no-name guy i don't even remember the actor but he was in all of them oh they're awesome the people listening to this

that the blonde-headed dude yeah yeah do yourself a favor and watch those because you will lap but the sound effects is what makes it because it ain't just he'll pop them but he'll pop them but he's Yeah. I'm laughing. Just thinking about it. Missy, I'm coming in there. I'm on the floor.

She's like, what are you doing? I said, I'm watching this movie. And she's like, that thing's 50 years old. I was like, and it's still funny right now.

I was like, I mean a pan of beans. I'll say, maybe a pan of beans woman, because that's how you talk back there. And she's like, excuse me? Ah, you got to see the movie.

All right. The most under. Rated Western. You want to take a shot at it? Most underrated. This is Phil inspired. Phil put me on to this one. Valdez is coming.

Oh, that's a good one. That is the best movie you've never heard of. Yeah. It actually stars Charlton Heston. Yeah, Charlton Heston. That's not who it is? No. Who is that guy?

No. I can't remember his name, but I mean, he played a lot of good roles, This is why you have a black box. Wow. Is somebody on that? Well, how will you look that up? It's going to take way more now to get me to get one of them in my hand. I'll tell you that right now.

Maybe is it you a Brenner? No. No. No. How? That he looks not. He does look like Charlton Heston if it's not. All right, do you want to take a break before I give the next one?

Do what? You want to take her a break before I give them. You'll find out that actor. Now you got me. Yeah, you got me. I want to find out. All right. Let's take a break.

Then we'll look. Okay. Who was it? I remember now. Bert Lancaster. Okay. I said Charlton Heston. I was close.

No. Charlton Heston. Bert Lancaster. That's what I meant. Could not step into Bert Lankton. I knew who the guy was. I've seen this movie a hundred times, but I don't know why I thought Charlton Heston. It actually changed my view where if somebody does something for me as a favor, or, you know, like, you know how you have somebody do a favor and they have a certain set of skills.

and they're like, oh, no charge. I mean, the ending was great. It was. I offer $200 because of that movie. So I'm not, I don't want to go into it because I don't want to ruin the movie. But 200 bucks. It's awesome. It's been a few years.

So, have you ever seen Valdez? I haven't seen that one either. So I've got to. Who saved this list so shallow of a person. Look, your maturity level has fallen to. I was always wondering what your problem is. Now, I know. You haven't wanted to know good Westerns.

I mean, this is, this movie changed my life, how I deal with people. They're like, what's the charge? I'm like, $200. People have said that many times. Yeah, he plays a Mexican, but it is really good. He did a good job. And I'm like, they said, what is the $200 for? I was like, for the family, the kids.

It's just a respect thing. That's a respect thing. Yeah. This guy, a crime was committed. I'm not ruining the movie for you because in the, First 60 seconds, you realize the crime was committed. And Bert Lancaster said, I think we should give his family a little money. Because they got the wrong guy.

They got the wrong guy. They were after a guy. And they got him. They went up there and they went, whoops, wrong guy. That's what the whole movie is about? He's like, what about this woman? And it's actually a really good movie about overcoming prejudices because they looked at his wife. And she was an old woman, largely.

Indian woman. And they're like, we're not. helping her because they viewed her as nothing and he's like oh no we're helping her and the whole movie is about that he's like i think we should give her two hundred dollars so you watch that movie enjoy okay i know this is getting long it was 100 no but if he if he got a hundred the other person would match it yeah so theoretically it was too even though he was only asking for a hundred the whole movie he had somebody to match it because they were like good luck getting a hundred dollars out of them And they had thousands, but they wouldn't do it because they thought, I mean, they basically said, it's a fat Indian.

We're not going to help her. That was their thought. And he's like, but you, you killed her husband. I mean, that's what the movie's about. It really is kind of an early version of social justice. It's a reparation. It's an awesome, awesome movie times 10. All right.

Best payoff at the end, Western with the best payoff at the end, which Phil. introduced earlier once upon a time in the West. Because you basically are wondering. Yeah, what's the motivation? The whole movie, it's like five hours long. And you're wondering,

what does it mean? When I first watched it, I was like, this is the worst movie. What do you, what does it mean? Charles Bronson was it? The first scene's really good. Henry Fonda and Charles Bronson. And Jack Elyleham at the

first. Remember the playing with the fly and his gun. Awesome. And that I was saying about that with the close-ups because, you know, when he looks, old Jack Elam had that one eye kind of going off. When he looks down that gun barrel and that close-up, that's one of the best shots ever. And I won't ruin it for you, but Charles Brunson said, did you bring a horse for me? And he said, look like we shy one horse.

And he said, you brought two too many. That's awesome. but then it takes a two-hour break and you're wondering what the heck just happened here I had to watch it five times where I figured it all out at the end you're like oh yeah it's a great movie but it is long okay and then we're down to the last two the best western that I wish I was in category that's Jeremiah Johnson yeah I just wish I would have been in the movie for real not the movie I just wish I would have been in that scene looking around I'd like to know how I would have done.

And that's awesome. And then the last- The little gear was so good in that. Remember the old man that was on the Walton's? He was good. Well, Phil uses that line once a week about, you know, what day is it? One month, maybe spring. Nah.

He said, I don't know. You think April? He said, I don't think it's April. So you couldn't use that apologetic on that. I think mid-March. They're talking about the rabbit. Just the whole scene with the- Jeremiah.

You know, what was the entry thing about it? was that movie, which is a awesome movie, inspired me to, like, look into Jeremiah Johnson. So when I started, because he's a real person, and they used to call him, they call him Liver Eat and Johnson, because he would eat livers of people. I mean, there was like an Indian war with him in the Indians, the Blackfeet Indian.

But, I mean, it was really interesting because it was a, I mean. Crow, that's right. Black, that's right. You're right. I'm thinking about another story. You got to get you into, because it was a very good look. at indigenous Indians. I mean, they did it about right.

Yeah, they did. Yeah, all that movie. I get lost in that movie. You know, it just, I don't know. Because I've always, I like when he got in that beaver hut, you know. Well, I've done that because you thought, well, why'd you do it? I just wanted to see what it looked like in there. Yeah.

Of course, you get in there and guess what? There's live beavers. Right. Yeah. Bad idea. Get out as quick as possible. So there's a really interesting portal for me to learn about that era and the, you know, Louisiana Purchase and Lewis and Clark.

I mean, there's some amazing stories. Great historical story. I mean, some of these are kind of, you know, romanticized for movies, but you talk about some characters and some people. The people that went out across this thing at the beginning, I mean, that's like your era. You could have fit into that group. Oh, yeah.

You'd have been right there with him. I mean, my voice said dad was born 100 years too late. I've thought about it many times. Oh, not. The guy that the Indians shot him in the leg, and they talked it over, and they said, well, they said, we've got to cut the thing off. True story.

You know, peg, leg, whatever he was. But he was one of them mountain men. And he said, if y'all will stay with me through the spring. He made a little deal with him. He said, if y'all leave me, I'll never make it. Yeah. He said, this thing, y'all got to cut this leg off about the knee here. He said, it's gangrene.

He said, if y'all will just stay with me, cut it off. You know, and they put a stick in his mouth, you know, and gave me a pretty good little few shots of whistle. and took his leg off. And he sat around to the early spring, the thaw, before they start moving a few months there. And the true story is, and he was whittling on a little tree

that his leg would fit down in and trying to smooth it out, put some hides out and there where he could, you know. So he made him a prostatia. This is his version of, so when they said, the rest of his life he lived to be old. They said you could spot him because you'd have a footprint and a hole.

Yeah. Yeah. I know who that old guy is. Well, because it's an under. It was fairly easy to track. You know what I'm saying? Well, back, it's underrated, you know, tracking the day. Like when I go into what, I'm noticing the tracks.

You know. By the way, the backwater's been up for, uh, since February, February, March, April, May, four months back water, high water. And I've been watching, but one of the things I look for it is how long it takes the deer to say, okay, let's move back in. So I haven't seen a deer at all. Everything is by boat, every place over there. It's all flooded.

But yesterday there was just muck, you know, where the water was receding, a little current in the low spots. and I wanted to see if I could drive a four-wheeler through all of it over there without drowning it out instead of a boat. So we're hopping over the vehicles now, I'm hoping. So I start down through there with the eunuch, Dan the eunuch. And deer literally were running in every direction. That's the sign. The water's not coming back.

They were walking in the muck. The acorns that fell this winter, it was a great acrean crop. They're all washed up in heaps here, there, and in there. You know, some acres don't float. Some of them do, but the ones that floated, they're just washed up, but they're all still fine. Oh, yeah. The meat is still there. Yeah.

But that's what they were eating on. How do they know? Oh, what are you talking about? It's a blast to watch it all unfold. I tell you that. Let's take a break. And so the last one, which is where we started, overall Best Western, is, of course, outlawed Josie Wales that you've ruined by not seeing. because I thought I could speak for the family on that one.

But when you think about why it's my favorite, it's filled with lines that we use. I always want to get up some of these big pistol fighters. Yes. He's watching, Abe. I've seen him do some things. I was going to bring that up. Greatest one-time scene was that.

Abe and Lai, shut up, Lodge. Yeah. You know, I mean, they were, they had him hemmed up, And he's like, I bet he's got another person. He put his gun, man. Shut up, Lodge. And that old one of them said, See, Lies.

You pull his teeth. He's harmless as a heel ham. Well, then he started getting cocky. And he's like, watch out. Yeah, yeah, watch him. I've heard he's meering or rattling twice as fast for those pistols. Then he's like, bring Vinny on the horse. What I love about that is after, you know, his sidekick says, I got to go right here.

And he's like, what goes he talking about? He's like, there's no goat. He's crazy. And he was baiting him. And he looked, you know, boom, boom. But what I like about that is... The look on the guy's face? Yep.

Well, the look when he spit right between his eyes. But also, you hear the horse run on in the background. I mean, it's those details that I... Oh, Vinny, he said, let's get the heck out of here. You know what I'm at it. But I think, too, when he... You had the little salesman of the elixir right here, sir. You know, he was even going to take on the mighty...

outlawed Josie Wales and to me when he the reason I liked that movie and Eastwood's always been good at this at making it just he directed that he directed that way yeah kind of graphic but like real you know when he spits in his chest which now they would never do that in a movie just for it because they're like oh that's so girl that might offend somebody you know oh I remember dad like spitting on everything around here like once that movie came out he spit on the dog you know which People find that. We made a five-minute scene in one of our DVDs on just spitting. That's right.

Everybody would just. Because so much time in a duck bun. People, yeah, I mean, they do that out in the wild. Chief Dan George played the Indian, his sidekick, Lone Wadi. Yeah. And he was, Lone Wadi was my favorite character. I mean, as good as Eastwood was, Lone Wadi makes it for me. Like every dialogue he had.

I was going to say that they had the lines, they had the characters, and then the storyline. of overcome. I mean, this all happened. All these people were victims of oppression that he just picked up along the way and felt like they had nothing to lose. I mean, they were mad because, you know, that's just how it was back then.

Just bad things happened. He took in the stray dog. They had the Indian squad. They had the lonely. I mean, he just kind of had him a little troop. Some old woman running their mouth. Hey, come on.

He said, he said, well, you don't want to be coming with me because people, you know, people that hook up with me get killed. He said, I noticed that people you don't like get killed. Yeah. It was like, it was a, it is, yeah, right? So now you're right.

I'll check it out. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, thanks. Well, that was a, that was a review. But here's one you left out. A film review. This is what happens. When you make a list, I only made nine because usually we have a top 10.

And so what I was going to say to our viewers, I left one place. That's good. Because look, I was asleep. I woke up and I jotted this down. I made this list in less than three minutes. So I'm sure I left one out and that's thoughts for you. Based on the founding of America, if any group of individuals that can't appreciate the review he went through,

if you don't like those kind of movies, there's something wrong. You know what? Back? There's a paint with a broad bra. A lot of people would pay thousands of dollars for counseling to see where it all went wrong. And now you found it for free. Just one little podcast. I've seen the majority of guys.

So my ad, when you think about what you would add to it, one that's a category. So my ad would be, for the 10th one, is the greatest Western mini-series ever. Okay. Lonesome. Lonesome Duff. Okay. It has to fit in there because Lonesome Dub is awesome. What made that for me is when he said, I'll, you know, I'll bury you whatever.

And he hauled that body all around. I don't know. I thought, yep, that's something I would do. And then when he got to the end. I gave my word. Because it made a thing. When we give our word, if I tell you something, I don't care if you're dead or not, I'm going to do it. But the way he said it too, because he had him hugged up there his body or they had salted him and he'd taken him all the way to almost to Mexico to bury him.

And he said, well, that'll, that'll teach me. You know, you give your word on something. You got to do it. He's like, he's having this conversation with Gus. It was like the conversation. He was talking to himself. I'm the one that said it. And maybe he did a good job of showing people's flaws in that everybody knows it.

And you know what? It's kind of okay. That's just the way he is. You know, they really played their individual characters. Well, I just think for Robert DeValle, and he's, and that's kind of the same character he played in open range. It was a similar character, but he was so good at it. And it was just so rich. And then the dialogue back and forth with him and Tommy Lee Jones is just,

and they had several after where other actors played it, but it never was quite the same. You know what scares me? Where are the ones coming along that were replaced the Bronsonsons, the devolved, the ear? I don't know. I don't know that we'll ever get back to that era of greatness. Maybe this podcast will spark a revolution because nobody's filming movies now because of the coronavirus. So maybe we'll have one random person hear this.

and think, you know, maybe we could do a little better job. I mean, I'm telling you, the westerns have just gone downhill. The closest I've come to them is that little wheeler I've got parked in the yard with just gun barrels sticking out on both sides of the thing. And I'm traveling around in the modern world 2020. But I do have the wheeler, and I am heavily armed. It's like a covered wagon. It's Western light, meaning don't stop that wheeler and try to,

It's a gunfight. And you do some tracking and, you know, so you're out in the wilderness. But the last good Western was Tombstone. There really hasn't been anything since then. Yeah, I mean, there's been a couple that were okay. And look, that one I thought could have been better. That's why I just gave it the best one-liners, you know. I thought it could have been better.

But their lines in Val Kimmer pretty much. Yeah, made the movie. What's interesting is they did another movie. You know how it is what movies is. because I don't know if they know it or it just happens by chance or what, but so there was another movie about White Earp and Doc Holiday that was made at the same time and released the same year. And in that movie, it's Kevin Costner is Wild Earth, but it was called White Earth.

And then I can't remember one of the Quades, Dennis Quaid, played Doc Holiday. Well, and I watched it, it's a good movie. It is, but when you compare it. Right. It just, it was the big loser, you know. So how many times you see it like a biohaping? and they'll have two of them the same time. I don't know if it's a race to a movie.

It was probably more realistic of a movie. But, you know, they're trying to make it more real. But, you know, some of the good, bad and the ugly, it didn't seem that much realistic as it just was. Just every detail of the entire movie was just awesome. I mean, it's like, now this is a movie. I'd love to know how long it took them to film that. Oh, it had to be a while.

It was quite the tale. Yeah. Let's take another break. So speaking of movies, Zach is, Zach has had a, you ran for Congress. You've had a lot of stuff. You're only, will you, 40? 42. 42.

I've done some things. So he's one of our, he's one of our younger cousins that we're all getting so old. You're like the Forrest Gump of our family. The Forest Gump? The Forest Gump. Yeah. You'd like show up. Have you ever seen that movie?

No, he's way above first. Yeah, I'm, thank you, Phil. I meant how he was in history. Acumen is far beyond Forrest Gump, Jay. He hasn't seen the outlaw Josie Wales. That's dumb. That puts you in the lower region. What he meant, what Jay's meant was it wasn't the character.

It was that Forrest Gump showed up everywhere. That's like Zach. That's what I mean. He has a lot of it. You're like, all of a sudden it's like you're, you know, you were at. Well, think about Zach's career deals. Plus, Zach is a, I call him the tumbleweed. I mean, he just rolls into one thing into the other.

So, first, he was a cheerleader associate. What was that whole thing? I know, I wasn't a cheerleader. I worked at a cheerleading camp. Worked at a cheerleading camp. Okay, there you go. That's the forest gun ping pong. No, no, no, no.

Okay. Ping pong. Cheerleader. Zach's particular skill set, one of them, along with Al, they get together. And I call them, they're like clengers, me, and when I say some things that just should not be said, they're the ones who clean it up. The fact that you've acknowledged that for the first time in your life,

it's progress. Because I'm like, for years I've been the family member that was deemed to confront Phil when he said something like in his speeches. I'm like, that's a bad illustration. And they're like, well, go tell him. So I've had to go out there and say, Phil, you know, your heart's right. Jack's the one that heads up, the soften that sound. Yeah. Soften that a little bit.

Well, you did a, you just did a rant in the woods, in the quarantine. I didn't think it was going to be a rant, but the old, you know, the Mark Levine type rant just came forth. And Mark could probably tell you, he said, look, sometimes I just get a little wound up. So I watched the edit. I got a little wound up. I watched the final version of it. I thought, yeah, that was pretty strong. So dad tells me today, Zach, he's like, he said, yeah,

They cut a lot of, they soften that quite a bit. And I said, whew, because the finished first, I thought was pretty, woo, pretty style. I said, so it was straight. He said, oh, it was more. I said, well, thank goodness for Zad. I've always thought when you move out to the woods and you don't really interact with people and you don't have access to any kind of.

You hadn't been to town in three months. Yeah. And you don't have like, you know, normal social interaction. You just, you turn into pretty much a, that's where the John the Baptist, you know, he hung out in the wilderness, eight bugs. and ran and raved. So there you go. So Zinn-Zak was, so you went from that, you worked for a big pharmaceutical company.

Yeah. You made a lot of money. You were good at that, I'm sure. But it's just the different things you've done, I find amazing. Plus, you're, like, really into apologetics and on the biblical side. So I've always marveled. But then Zach decided he wanted to run for Congress. Was that in 14?

Yeah, 2014. Yeah. And then, because you were young. So that was six years ago. How were you? I was my 30s. The problem was Zach was, of course, he was running here, and, you know, he was super smart and obviously he's conservative, but like thinking man conservative, like, you know,

think tank conservative. And around here, it just, you know, there's like, oh, who is this guy? And so they tend to just kind of go for the guys. And you're actually almost one without ever having done it. Less than a thousand votes. But that's how I tell you right now, I know I'm your uncle, and you've been around me. your whole life and your mother is what's my sister she's on the other side now but i sincerely have a phobia maybe or something having to do with towns i don't like towns you do

i just really will you help him well i'm just saying he's asking for help a lot of people say well you know how you go to town i said well we meet with the brothers one time a week but all other ways to try to get me to a town. I'm like I don't want to go. I don't want to go there. I don't know why. I don't like towns. He's the anti-town. So Zach, tell the

people are tightly packed. It's Jeremiah Johnson, Phil. He said, I've been to a town. I'm just saying and then all of the traffic and the signs and the red lines and it's just

well when I go to of like New York City, I feel that because all of a sudden when dad's in New York. When dad's in New York. I mean, it was just like I was in a My initial response is to run. But I don't know where to run. So I saw Dad, we were in New York.

It was torture. For doing some media or something. And so we were flying out of New Jersey. So when we went across that bridge and got out of concrete and there was actually like a marshy, you know, Jersey kind of has some marshy. Yeah.

When I saw Dad just so, I mean, like, I saw him physically. Like, because he saw water and grass. I mean, that's how tense you were the whole time. And I'm thinking I know good and well, there's more people. I'm not the only one that just has, has this aversion to town or town life. Everybody's stacked on top of one another and just, and the billings are going straight up. Thomas Jefferson speaking of him.

Here we go. Was this a dream? He said, I predict future happiness for Americans as long as there's open lands to go to. he said, however, if we ever get stacked on top of one another, like in Europe, where we just left. Right. Because he was looking at this wheel and just thinking, you know, as long as they can keep moving, he thought it was far bigger than it actually was. Oh, yeah. Because you can imagine you first get here, you look around, you say, man.

So he was just saying, if we ever get stacked on top of one another, we'll become as corrupt as they are. I think he was right. I've never forgotten that because I thought, you know what? guy, he had a head on him for sure, but he had it, he had it figured out. He did. So let's take a break. Don't stop and pile up on top one another. It won't be good. Well, what are y'all think? Let's take a break. And, Zach, I want you to tell the story, campaign story I want you to tell. So remember the, when you and dad did Hannity, the remote. Oh, yeah, I remember.

Tell the audience what that. So you're running for Congress. And, of course, we're obviously supporting our cousin and so i don't remember that yeah well tell the story tell what happened so i came down here we got a we're doing a hannity hit but it's it's got the satellite truck down and and i was nervous about it not i mean because i've never been on tv well i think it may i may have been on once but um especially national yeah national tv i'm like i've never you know i'm you know i'm riding y'all's coattels on this thing and uh and i was even more nervous because i knew phil was going to be on with me i didn't know what he was going to say so i was and he'd been everywhere welcome to my world yeah Well, everywhere we had gone before that, Phil would introduce me, like I'd have him speak at different fundraiser events or whatever, and he would always introduce me as the one who burst forth from his sister's loins.

I've heard him do that. It's just a way of describing how you got here. I know. Only dad can turn that phrase and make it work. With graphic detail. Very graphic detail. I hadn't thought of that. But you were kind enough to ask me.

You said, is there anything you want me to stay away from? I'm like, yeah, I feel. You shouldn't have told him because that's what you're right. That's how he's learned to be the cleanser. I've learned. I've learned over the years. That's why I'm effective now because I say, nope. I said, yeah, just don't mention the sister's loins.

Yeah. And I mean, it wasn't five seconds into the interview. And he's, hey, I'll tell you what, Sean, this one right here, we've betted him since he burst forth from my sister's loins. This was the open. And I'm like, of course, I'm just like, I forgot that. Yeah.

And Sean's like, what kind of? That's probably why I didn't make it. Yeah, that probably was the difference bigger. That was the different thing. See, that was one thing I had to tell Phil one time. I was like, because he would describe our sin. But he always did it the same way. And he would start off with just like, you know, typical sins, getting drunk and lying.

And then all of a sudden he ramps up intensity. and he's always rapists and murderers. I'm like, look, just leave those two out. Just because normal, the middle America, they're not doing that, you know. So just leave that up. But it's been a fact, I mean, but your bluntness is very effective. So look, I told him that. And so he gets up at, you know, at the event.

Because I just said, I'm going to tell him to quit doing that. Just say all those other, because people miss your point because it's so graphic. So he's like, he gets up behind the mic. He says, well, on the way over here, my son informed me that I probably need to quit putting these two groups of people in the category of sinners, rapist and murderers. But I'm here to tell you, they're sinners. I'm like, that was not my point. You missed the point. So my moment was we were on our way.

We're in the back of a limo or SUV. We're heading to Fox and Friends to do a season hit for Duck Dynasty. And so the first episode that year was the one where John Luke is in the boat with his little girlfriend. And so you're giving him all the dangers of dating. Grandfather advice. Grandfather advice. And so in there you had, you know, herpes, chlamydia. No, you didn't have chlamydia.

You had these lists. Yeah, his list was. He had a good list of sexually transmitted diseases. And so we're riding over to Fox and Friends, and I said, and we'd already seen the clip they were going to show. So I knew they were going to show it. And I said, Dad, you left Chlamydia out of your list. I'm just making it as a joke. And he was a, yeah, I wasn't sure how to pronounce that.

That was the reason I left that out. So, okay. So then we get on there. And so Doocy's first question, he said, well, Phil, you know, your grandkids are on here. I mean, you know, how was it like giving your message these kids? Because you said, well, do you see, chlamydia, herpes. Here we go. And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

It was so funny, and I thought I was sitting on the thing thought. I gave him chlamydia. He didn't have that one to put in there until I said. I spoke at the Republican National Convention, and I reminded them of what those sexually transmitted diseases and how many 110. Oh, that was CPAC. C PAC. C PAC. I'm not a problem.

They were all saying, there's no way. There's that many sexually transmitted. Of course, I had read it from the CDC. I said, well, I argue with the CDC. What's funny about it, Zach, is that dad comes. out so he's receiving the Breitbart Award. Yeah. And he comes out with that browning shirt, which is now in the, is going to go to a museum,

dad. It's, it is now in the Hall of Fame. It's going to be in the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame. They got my shirt. I hate to see it go. We were glad to see it. That was a good idea. Yeah.

I mean, because that's a kind of. I didn't like that shirt. No. It was a browning shirt and they hadn't supported, I mean, sponsored us in years. So, so dad walks out and he's got that shirt home and he's got the camo bandana. And, you know, everybody there's like all the presidential candidate. It was 2016.

Yeah. And so he comes out and he just starts right in on the, you know, sexually the 120 million. And the audience is just like, whoa. I mean, like, you could tell, like, because they're used to the, you know, platitudes and blah, blah, blah, blah, of all these politicians. And dad just comes out like with a meat cleaver, you know. They didn't know how to deal with. He said, that's one out of three. Look to your right.

Look to your left. Yeah. One of his got. one if he's probably got one i was just trying to get them to see that unless there's a change made in our culture yeah it's just not you had a shock and all about you know because because you do get to jesus and it's like even i was explaining about because it makes people feel uncomfortable i was like well phil there's some people who are you know dealing with these issues you know you're making them feel uncomfortable but i know you're just doing it to get

to Jesus, which it works, especially with people that have had really rough lives, because they kind of like somebody getting up there and talking straight, you know? All I know for sure is I'm not the only rank heathen that's come out of a rank heathen background. Yeah. I think there are more than me. What y'all say? Yeah, there are. So you boys are in the 50s, which, and I'm not the 20 years ahead of you, 20, 25 years ahead of you.

I'm not far ahead of you, but I can tell by just listening to y'all that it, you're you're softening the blow. Well, I'm softening the blow because of 1st Peter 315. You know, in your heart set apart, Christ's Lord, always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who ask you to give the reason for the hope that you have. Oh, I'm fully prepared to fulfill that verse. And do this with gentleness and respect. That's the next part.

What I'm calling, what you're calling gentleness, you and our, we're a little, confute of a gentleness. Yeah. I think I quote it. There's different roles. I mean, there's guys that have more of a prophetic voice. I'm just saying that's in the Bible. I was a little nervous about trying to quote that

because I didn't memorize that coming in here. But it does say, but do this with gentleness. I quoted that to Phil before. That was an ex-commercial fisherman talking, but also the Apostle Paul is the one who said, look, because they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gives them over to a depraved mind to do what or not to be dumb. They feel with every kind of, it wickedness, evil, greed, depravity. Their gossip, slanderers, God, haters.

But do this with gentleness and respect. What do you think, Zach? Well, so look, we didn't quite be able to finish this debate. We got to look, the discussion is going to go a little more. For those of you on our Blaze TV that are subscribed to our show, we're going to continue this discussion for the rest of you guys. And by the way, if you want to sign up for that, blazedtv.com slash unashamed is how you find out about that. Use Jace or Phil as your code. But we're going to continue a little more of this discussion since we got Zach here with us. And go watch your Western.

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