Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 932 | Phil Gets SO Real with His Class Audience & Jase’s Dirty Diaper Encounter Opens His Eyes

Episode Date: August 1, 2024

Jase has a firsthand encounter with a dirty diaper that leads to his appreciation of mothers everywhere, and Phil opens up the floor in his latest class in the most awkward but effective way. The guys illustrate the joys of being “at home” with Christ and can’t overstate the importance of God becoming flesh and all the ways that it changes the outcome of death for humanity. In this episode: 1 Corinthians 15, verses 3-4; Hebrews 4, verse 14; Hebrews 10, verses 19-22 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? You're dealing with Jesus, his death, burial, and resurrection. The scriptures say 1st, Corinthians 15, by this gospel you're saved. If you hold firmly to the word I preach to you, otherwise you believe in vain. For what I received, and we need not ever forget this, by the way, I will add. For what I received, I passed to you. Now, you can say it any way you want to call it. But I passed on to you, the Apostle Paul said.

It's of first importance. Whereas you get this on straight, and that's the most important thing in all of this. First importance, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, amen. That he was buried. Yes, he was. Amen. That he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures. Yeah, he appeared to Peter in the 12th, but the bottom line is that's a pretty good reminder of don't dodge at or get messed up in your mind about Jesus when he showed up.

I mean, I want to remind you, I preach to you, you received it on which you're taking your stand. Well, that's where I am right there. I'm standing on the fact that Jesus died was being raised from the dead. There's no better way to start this podcast. Welcome to the podcast. That's right. There you go. So I've been with a toddler for three days, so this is good conversation.

I saw him yesterday. He is so amazing to watch kids grow. You know, they just, because I only see him intermittently. I mean, you see him a lot more than me, but he is a beautiful young man. Get him on the weekend sometimes. And we had it. We had a good time. And there was a...

I had a great conversation with his mom yesterday as well. And that's the beauty of what we talk about and trying to be together for families. You know, you just... We're all part of this thing going in one direction. Right. You have... There's things that happen in your life that are new normals. And being a part of the kingdom and having new creations happen regularly means you get involved

kind of in the network of the growth process, I guess. So I had a few interesting ways to humble myself and sacrifice because, you know, we had a little pool time. And Missy, we had some company coming over, so she's like, okay, you need to distract him for 90 minutes, which was a big deal. and I think what we got going in the kiddie pool is the way to do that. Does your music trick still work? Oh, yeah, it works, but that's...

But that's temporary. That's not 90 minutes, that's five. So, and I think that's his time for, you know, kids have security moments. And for him, you know, we may go, you know, 10 days and not see him or whatever. And he loves sitting in my lap. and listening to music. He snuggles up. It's a security thing.

And they're good songs that were worship songs. And there's a lot of, I'm going to say this. This is not embarrassing. That kid can say, he's two, two and a half years old. He can sing the songs, worship songs, more in tune than me. I realize it's not saying a whole lot. It's a low bar. But if you're two and a half,

it's still good. That's pretty good. Yeah. Because Missy's like, he is on tune. And I'm like, are you sure? Because I don't. And I have to say, there's not a lot of other things he could do to impress Missy more than that because she's such a music.

I think she's, you know, contributing. Maybe hearing it from her. I don't know how that works. Zach's a singer. He should know. Zach, you're a singer. So I was going to finish my story. I got 90 minutes.

I got him in the kitty pool. 10 minutes into it, I noticed a film happening in the water coming off around where he is. And I realized something. I thought, what is causing that? Kind of like, you know, these, these oil spill. Oil spill. It's like the oil spill on the golf beach.

P. oil spill. And I said, you don't want to see rainbows appear around you in the pool. That's never good. And immediately he went to try to take that diaper off. Don't do it. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know, firestorm, no. I picked him up, got his little swimming trunks off, got the diaper off.

But, you know, what had happened? Because he's in the water. There was a, and I'm like, well, what do you do? I can't put him back in the pool. I mean, you could. Well, I got 80. It's contaminated now. We've already got a rainbow slick already in the pool.

I've got 80 minutes to go. So this happened the first 10 minutes. First 10 minutes. So I go over to the water hose and we have a, we have a dowsy. I mean, I'm just saying. That's the move, though, right there. I think it was a, I'm pretty proud of how I handled this situation. Pretty good.

And I went. I went old school and got a, Phil, you remember when we used to have a problem, we had boats that didn't have any other way to get the water out. We would take old milk jugs. Bail the water out. And bail the water out. So I created me a bailing can, and I removed all the contaminated area from the pool,

just like I would bail out. You were bailing out the pool. Bailed out the pool. Now that is pretty, that's a redneck ingenuity. It just was in a little tight space. We have it shut off from the rest of the pool. And then the water, the clean water filter back here. Yeah. And, of course, then we just, he just went the way he was born the rest of the,

because I didn't have another option. I wasn't going inside. And because I thought, and if he does this again, then we got a problem. We got a problem. But I took a, I took a gamble, and there was no problem. It freed him up, and he had a good time. It turned into a skinny dipping. It turned into a skinny dipping for him, but he didn't care. I don't care. He's a,

he had a, not a BP oil spill. He had a B. A B.M. A B.m. Yeah, that's what it was. But anyway, that was way too much detail.

But I just thought this is, you kind of find yourself in that moment saying, how did we get here? Yeah. But we're here. And I think part of being a servant for the kingdom is, you know, it makes you appreciate really what primarily,

our wives and moms do out there on a daily basis. I mean, it just made me one of at church yesterday, every mom I saw with two kids, hang it, I thought, I get it. No, it's even like, so Lisa and I were talking about this. We were working on our, we got a couple of events coming up this week, and we were working on our PowerPoint, and she said, well, we got to, you know, now we got to tell this, the cancer story. It's part of our story that we tell what guys do in our lives.

And it just struck me that. It's just what you just described as we grow in our faith and in our marriages and what we're trying to do for the kingdom. Everything comes in is just a new opportunity. What you just described, you couldn't imagine yourself doing that again. No, I think I'd have panicked and said, I realize you're, but it was my, you know, to make it figure it out. That's right. That's because all of, if I would have gone inside, say, babe, she would have said, figure it out. So I'd already learn.

She would have said, you're 20 minutes into 90 minutes. She couldn't do it. I was like, I got to figure it out. But I was talking about that with mom this morning. And, you know, it's just you reach these phases in your life, in your relationship, and we grow older. But it doesn't, it's a good thing. It's a good thing because it opens you up to new opportunities to serve people. And what a blessing that is.

I mean, that's just, that's always good. So, I mean, the phase where at least now are now, it's just, I have an opportunity to, serve and love her in a way I've never have in my life. And I think it's a good thing. It's made us stronger. It's made us better. Yeah. Well, I just, I don't know why I've told that story, but I'm just saying it made me

appreciate not having to do that every day and appreciate people who do. And especially when I think when you're doing it about kingdom ventures. I mean, because to be honest, I believe everybody is made in the image of God and deserve a fair shot at life. And so sometimes God uses us to step in these gaps. Yep. And in the meantime, it's going great. Helping the mom, help a kid.

Well, that's what struck me. Because yesterday I preached in our church, and we run two assemblies at the same time, and one is an instrumental assembly. And even beyond just instrumental in acapella, because that's our tradition was aquaella. But even beyond that, I would say it's more kind of the young, people that have, you know, been saved out of the world, a lot of difficult situations.

They tend to gravitate toward the service I spoke in yesterday. And I like preaching in there because it's a lot of energy. I was in there. And you were there and that's what I would say. I looked back in you and Missy was back there with the baby. And yet his mom was in the same assembly with us. And she's doing great as well. And so I just thought about that idea of community. So I was preaching, Jay's, as you know, in Hebrew's 10. And it's interesting because dad started us off today with this, you know, his points out of 1st, Corinthians 15. And I was in the back half of Hebrews 10 because I preached two weeks in a row, which is very rare for me now, which, by the way, I mean, I can appreciate, you know,

I used to preach every Sunday. Of course, we're doing a lot of podcasts, too. But man, back to back about kill me. I was like, how did I do this, you know, just and never have an end, take two weeks off a year? I just, that's why I don't like the one preacher system. I know. For you guys out there, they're passing my hat's off to you because it's been a few years, and even me just going back to back. But I relished it because I was able to set the context in this chapter and then come back and follow it up. Because it's, to me, to understand the back half of Hebrews 10 properly, you have to really get into the front half of the chapter. Don't you think, Jason? Because some people have made some very bad application of the back half of Hebrews 10. But Dad, I thought about it. So I started out at Hebrews 1019. He says, therefore, because he's just come out of this thing about how awesome the forgiveness of Jesus is in the first part of this chapter.

And you remember, we did a podcast about it. Yeah. A few podcasts. Yes, I was on here when we did it. Okay. I was, I was wondering. And I thought there was a really great point that you made before you read verse 19. When he quoted in chapter 10 in verse 5 about Jesus.

Jesus's body. Yeah. And that was Psalm, where was it? It was Psalm 40. Yeah, Psalm 40. But it really went into what we're talking about in Ephesians about Jesus, the power of Jesus becoming a human as the plan of God to bring people together. And that's the beauty of it, Jay.

It's really, it's our study of Ephesians has so expanded my capacity of even going back and study in Hebrews because that idea about the body was so powerful, that I didn't really realize from Psalm 40 that it was predicted, but also then the spirit being poured out to his body on earth. That's in verse 16, Hebrews 10. That's why I was saying it's so good because it's a lot like Ephesians where I think if you miss this in your faith, it's going to be real hard to grasp a lot of the things you read in Hebrews and Ephesians,

which is when Jesus went to the right-hand. of God because Phil started us off talking about the importance of the death, the barrel resurrection. Yep. But for right now, once he was raised, him going to the right hand of God as an exalted, eternal human, then the Holy Spirit is poured out. Right. What does that mean?

It was poured out made available for human beings. Right. The Holy Spirit of God here. Exactly. And so. And it allowed Him. him in heaven now that he has proximity to as a as a god and flesh to then have a presence on earth and it's us it's us living out it's people it's people we're going to get to that the next time

we study ephesians well just a thought if the dead are not raised then christ has not been raised either and if christ has not been raised your faith is futile you're still in his ends that you just look at what's riding on Jesus, his death, his burial, and resurrection. Then those who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life, we have hope in Christ. We're to be pitted more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead. The first fruits of those who have fallen asleep since death came through a man,

the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. As far as Adam all die. So in Christ, all will be made alive. but each in his own turn, Christ's the first fruits. I mean, he whipped death. Then when he comes, those who belong to him, then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he's destroyed all dominion, authority, and power.

For he must reign until he has put all of his enemies under his feet and the last enemy to be destroyed is death. Yeah. Boy, voila. That's powerful. So when someone, well, you know, do you believe it is? We see these verses pop up in the rest of the Bible. But that right there, you say, oh, you better get the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

You get that in your head and don't budge. Yeah. Well, and that he's... It's the only way you're getting out of here. And that he's, he went to the, to go back to the Hebrews, he's appeared in the throne room of God on our behalf. Yep. as an eternal sacrifice forever.

It's over, done. But the access is now. I love the immediate, like the immediacy, is that a word? Yeah, like the immediate. You bet you. Yeah, it's now that I was, when you were reading that about the gospel at the very beginning of 1st, 15th and 15, I was thinking about in Mark 1.

When Jesus talks about the gospel coming and says, believe in the gospel, he always connects it with the kingdom. And he and Paul does the same thing here. I just as well, you read that verse 24 in verse 15th and 15, it just hit me. And it says when then the end comes when he delivers the kingdom to God, the father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. And, you know, if you think that the kingdom is only out there and not here, then what kingdom is he delivering?

Yes. You know, if it comes at the very end of time, then there, it doesn't make it. So you kind of see it here that we're coming into this kingdom where Christ is king. Yes, he will be king at the end, but he is king. And our king is also our priest. This is the Hebrew language. And the priest is also the sacrifice. And the sacrifice is also the mediator.

And you start to see the centrality of Christ and how we're connected. He's so central to our entrance, our entrance. into the kingdom. But it is for later, but it's also for now. Yeah. You bet. That's why we can be renewed day by day. You know, when St.

Corinthians 4 says that we focus on what is unseen. I think it helps us to be patient, too, because I love what Zach just described. You think about it because we're like, I think every era in human history, especially in the last 2,000 years, says, well, what are we waiting on? I mean, you know, let's go and get this thing going.

You know, however it's going to end, let's wrap it up. And I always said, well, that's great for the guy that got in today. But what about the guy that gets in tomorrow? He's glad it waited one more day. I mean, you know, because the access is still open. So the illustration I use this idea because he uses the word confident in Hebrews 1019. Brothers and sisters, we have confidence to enter. And that's a great word.

The Greek word is Parisia. And at its core, the Greek word means boldness, clarity and openness. In other words, there's no doubt that with Jesus in the heavenly realms that we have access, we can go there with him. And so I use the illustration about mom and dad's house down here. You know, it's like, man, it's way down here. It's the middle of nowhere. And because the little duck show we did, we had to put a gate up just because we had so many people that were coming and going. And so like, it's not easy to get there. It's not easy to get into you get there the dogs are running around they're barking so i painted the picture zach that when you

drive i drive up i know exactly where i'm going i can close my eyes and drive down here yeah because i drug out every ditch from here to town my whole life as a kid and i come up to that gate i got a button i push in my truck the gate just open sesame i go back there the dogs come out meet me because they're thrilled to see me because i got food usually when i'm coming and then i walk right to and I don't even knock on the door. I just walk right in, mom and dad are sitting in their chairs, and then we go right into a conversation. And I am bold, I'm confident, I'm open, I have clarity, because I belong.

I grew up in this house. This is my parents. It's my house. You know, I have total comfort there. And so that's exactly the kind of picture that the Hebrew writer is painting. And especially for people who have spent their hope for thousands of years, not be able to get into the most holy, the most holy, place. And I use Jason's illustration. The old high priest would go in there tie a rope around it

because there ain't nobody going in there. We're tiptoeing in once a year with a rope tied around us. And if something happened to us, they're not even coming to get us. They're just dragging us out under the under the curtain. And I thought, man, what a what a tepid, fearful way to realize who God is. And so that's this shift that's happened, you know. Yeah, I think that was based on tradition. I don't think that is. Well, you don't think. Well, you don't in the scripture, but yeah, exactly. But I think it's an interesting thought. But how do, I mean, you think about that kind of confidence, though, when you,

I love how you link to the word confidence with, with, with, with, you feel at home, right? And like, when you're in like your space, you know, you feel confident and, you know, so I get a lot of different settings where I feel really out of place and inadequate. And I'm like, like, I'm trying to network these networking events. Like, you know, you do it. You always feel weird when you're there. It's like, man, I feel so. comfortable for like, like, I'm out of place.

I'm, you know, but when you're in your own space, you do feel confident and you feel at home. And I was thinking when you were talking about that, like, how do I, how do I get that kind of confidence? And think about how you got that kind of confidence in your own home. It was actually not through some one time amazing event. Yeah. Where it was like, this is my home now.

It was, it was just the, this, the life you live, the mundane, the day in, the day. Even the way you, when you were describing driving to your parents' house, when you're driving, I bet you money, you kind of said it, you're not making one cognitive decision on which, when to take it left, when to take it right. You're not even thinking about it. You're just on intuition, because you've done it so many times. Complete, complete muscle memories. You know, every turn, you know, every way. You know, you know, every spot in the road, you know. Yeah, it's the same story.

I'm good for it every Sunday morning, whoever comes. And the way it turned out, they just started coming from where I'm not quite sure, but out of our reach. But they come down there, and there's about 50 of them every Sunday morning. I just get my Bible out, starting anywhere. I've told them about Ephesians and what that says. but anyway, it goes to them. And then you meet down there,

does anybody in here want to be baptized into Christ, put their faith in him? I have it on the board where they can see it. I said, that's it right there. One, raise a hand like that. But three, that's pre-lesson. After the lesson, two more. and they was a husband and wife.

And when both of them were baptized, the husband did it first was waiting for his wife, and his wife was baptized into Christ. And they put on a long kiss, I'll say. Yeah. Well, they were married. That's good. Now they were married again.

Yeah. Married to Jesus. I heard about your lesson yesterday. I had about three people say, that I saw and they just volunteered it they were like yeah they were visiting so because then they come find other members of the family and we take pictures or whatever but so I'm saying I met most of the people that were in your class yesterday but they said boy Phil was excited he wouldn't let Jersey Joe talk and I got that from three different people so you must have got on a roll yesterday it was

one of them get out of the way I got something to say yeah yeah yeah get out of way New Jersey I thought it was funny that they all said the same thing. Yeah, one of them was that young couple from Tennessee. They were fantastic. I was saying he's a young Christian, Jersey. But yesterday I just had to the information. You're in the zone. Yeah, come on out.

You're in the zone. I love it. Well, I wanted to bring up this Hebrews 4 because it's tumultous confidence, therefore we have confidence, which we didn't. Did you ever read 18? no of hebrews then no let me read read the whole say the the three verses therefore brothers and sisters since we have confidence to enter the most holy place by the blood of jesus by a new

and living way opened up through the curtain opened up for us through the curtain that is his body and since we have a great high priest over the house of god as you did that and the good news was it it tied in to exactly what i just got this you had already just been saying you had already just been saying it. Just open the gate there and you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, I don't I tell you. And I even said that, dad, you know, you say, why does the Hebrew writer keep going back to Jesus? I was like, it's because he doesn't want us to forget the most important thing. Well, every letter does that in some capacity. But, but this was in response to the Holy Spirit being poured out. And when he said in verse 17, their sins and lawless

acts I'll remember no more. And where these have been forgiven, there's no longer any sacrifice for sin. Oh, yeah, open with that, you're right. I mean, that's what I was trying get. Because that's where your confidence comes from. You're like, well, wait a minute, it's over. My sins have been, you're not even going to remember them. This is deeper than forgiveness. Okay, you've been forgiven, but he's like, that's over. The sacrifice, he said there's no longer any sacrifice for sin, meaning they're done. They're gone. Yeah. They're gone. So if you are having trouble with that, who's to blame that fact? Yeah, it's us. You could try to blame. It's not him. Well, you could try. Satan definitely, you know, leads to people. He is the accuser.

By the way, I asked for our hand-raising yesterday during the process of preaching the gospel. And I must admit, you get that out in front of them. I mean, I said, raise you. I said, raise you. your hands if you've been drunk on wine or whiskey. I thought you meant just like raise your hand. I said raise your hand. Raise your hand. Raise your hand. Oh, this was raise your hand if you ever been commode, hugging drunk.

Oh, boy. Well, don't. Way to put them on the spot. Guess what 100% of them say it. Raise your hand? Very deal to charge. Boy, dad adds a whole new element to hand raise it. He does, man.

Yeah. I would probably say that most people would say that was probably. Raise your hand if you've been commode, hug, hug, and drunk. I said, look to your left and right now. And everybody started and looking, you know, and they were all looking around. They said, well, at least we're all together with. See, see how brilliant that is. But, Dad, somebody gave me that cup a few weeks ago at one of our services together that has Dad's sayings.

Only that commode, hugging, drunk. Does that not make drunk being drunk sound the worst it could possibly be? I mean, that's a great saying, Dave. And you remind. I mean, it's not good, but I'm saying. I've been where you raised in your hands. Man, I've been. Actually, a pretty good thought, Phil.

It is. Just think, if anything you're doing in life where you're having to hug a commode, pretty miserable. You know we can beat this. Coming up for Jesus, that's the same. It's so good. There's got to be a better way. Got to be a better way.

Because, you know, everything else is little songs, hey, we're getting tipsy. It's all making the sound so much fun dancing. No, it's commode hugging. I must admit, I threw that in there in the last year or so, but I just thought to myself. You know, people go back and they look at their lives or they say, you know, I mean, and there's, and they're written on the board is life and peace and forgiveness. Yeah.

You need to have a T-shirt, Phil. You can have hug people, not come out. We have to start a T-shirt coming at some point. Jace has all this, you got all these ideas. When you were in that Hebrew's passage that, I mean, it's so connected to, because my first thought was, and we're in Ephesians, but you're in Hebrews, but when you have painted that, or when the Hebrew writer paints the picture of that curtain,

I mean, all that is is temple language. I mean, this is, he's talking about entrance into the temple. And as the point we made a previous podcast, I mean, this is where God meets with his people,

right? And so, like, when he talks about, like, the confidence to enter into the holy of holies, like, where is that now?

And it's in Jesus. And that's the language that, that Paul is laying out in Ephesians, and he ends Ephesians too with that kind of language that Jesus himself is now the cornerstone in him. The whole structure being joined together grows into a holy temple in the Lord. So when you think about the confidence of that, your confidence is in his,

is in him, which is why that passage, is it first or second Peter three when it talks about baptism? First Peter three. Yeah, He says this water, the waters of the days of no, represents baptism, I'm probably butchering it, which now saves you also. It's not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but it is a pledge of a good conscience towards God that saved you by the resurrection. So you say, where is this, how do I pledge my good conscience towards God?

Well, your conscience isn't clean unless your confidence is in Christ, then you can go. So it does it by the resurrection, which that's the whole baptism thing with Romans 6. you're connected with the cornerstone of the temple. That's what you're doing when you're being baptized. You're saying, I'm being connected with the death, the burial and the resurrection of Christ. I'm being connected with him. I'm being born again with him so that I can now be a living stone

that's built on the cornerstone. So Christ is that cornerstone in the temple. And that's what we are. We're just a bunch of living stones, which that's kind of weird because stones aren't living, but we are. Which is interesting, is that? Because that's exactly what the next verse says. It's showing you how this nexus has come together in our study.

In Hebrews 1022, in our response, it says, let us draw near to God with sincere heart, full assurance. It comes from faith. Listen to this, having our heart sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies wash with pure water. I mean, the Hebrew writer hits the. exact same thought that you just mentioned that Peter said, which we also see in Ephesians chapter 2, is the only way you can ever have a clear conscience. I mean, totally to be clear is to understand there's no sacrifice for your sin that's left because he's done it for you.

And that exactly is what I major in. Jesus, Him crucified. What a, what a, to cleanse the human race of every mistake they've ever made. Right. I mean, it's awful. I thought, I I love that. I love it when he said, I want to go back to the confidence thing because I never got to give my... Yeah, you let me as much want. And if you're asking,

why are we doing Hebrews? I mean, it's not fair to Al because it takes a lot of prep for a sermon. Then we jump back to Ephesians. That was an outstanding sermon. And it was so good, and it was a two-parter. We felt like we gave you an earlier part before,

so that's why we're doing this. But to go back, he had brought up the, idea of confidence before in Jesus. You know, we went to Hebrews, too, about the human family, him becoming part of the human race. In Hebrews 4, right? In Hebrews 4.

But I want to read it because it says the same thing. And I had a couple thoughts in your lesson yesterday that just hit me. So I wanted to see what y'all think. Almost riddles, I guess. I thought Zach's one of the smartest people I know. That's some good riddles. I have an interesting take on this. So in Hebrews 414, it says, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus, the son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.

We do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way just as we are, yet was without sin. So it's not just that he is saying back to Hebrews 10, look, it's over. The sins are gone. I'm remembering no more. But he's also already said, I get it. I'm sympathizing with your witnesses. I was tempted in every way. And so a lot of people say, yeah, but, well, he was the son of God.

That's why he didn't sin? Well, he became a human. And why be tempted if he couldn't have done anything about it? It's going to be my riddle question, but I wanted to read it. read the rest of the verse before I do the riddle. Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time and need. So there's that.

Let us approach the throne of grace with confidence so that we may receive mercy. I mean, it's a common theme in the book of Hebrews is what I'm saying. So my riddle was this. You ever think about when there's some people who want. say the Lord's prayer because Jesus says forgive us our sins. What's exactly it's say so that we may forgive those who trespass against us? Yeah. Well, Jesus didn't have any sin.

So have you thought about that? That's the riddle. Why is Jesus pray and forgive us our sins? Well, he was leading the prayer. Now, immediately people are going to say, because I went, I had. to Google this and see whether I thought, I've never thought about this before. But everybody's always had this argument and discussion. But I did notice there was a lot of confusion about that.

The most people just said, well, he was just telling us how to pray. But you got to remember, in Hebrews, this is all grace. We're all responding to his grace, not some kind of word system. He wasn't sermon on the Mount, wasn't some kind of rule-oriented, He was trying to get us out from under a rule-oriented system. So then you can take it further. Why was he baptized? He was standing in line with all the other sinners,

but he wasn't a sin. That's why I wanted to read that Hebrew's fore. He never sinned. But it shows you what he did. He came down as a human, experienced what we experience, and walked in our place, so he could help us.

You need a path to go by, and I'm going to make the path. I'm going to show you. But my point is, John's baptism was what? The baptism of repentance. Oh. Oh. For forgiveness of sins, I believe, wasn't it? Well, he didn't have any.

Yeah. So now we know what happened. What did he have to repent from is your point? Yeah. Well, yeah. Why is he doing it? So obviously he was showing us something bigger. I'll add to your riddle.

James one, God cannot be tempted, nor does he tempt anyone. What Jesus, we learned here in the Hebrew, what he said is he was tempted, like us in every way. So obviously, God becoming flesh is a big deal. He became a human. That's why we read a few podcasts ago, the whole Hebrews 2 section, that he was not ashamed to call us brothers within the human family. Yeah, I read that yesterday. And he did that because of 14 through 18.

He destroyed the power of the evil. But it says since he shared in their flesh and blood so that he might destroy him, how is the power of death, that is the devil. That goes back to what Phil originally read. So I think it's basically why I told that story about, you know, the little toddler that we're involved with. I mean, in his life, I'm his only father figure. I'm the only adult male in his life.

And I just know from being a part of the human family, you need that. You're going to have a lot better life if somebody is representing a father-like figure, even though we're not physical blood. It's got to be there. So even though I don't identify with him through blood, through that kind of DNA, in his world, this is what we're doing. And so I think that's what Jesus did by becoming a human. He didn't identify with committing the sin,

but he went through the process, he went through the temptation, he even went through the humility of being baptized in a baptism that was being the repentance for forgiveness of sins, even though he didn't have any. Now, we do know he received God's Spirit. and I think it's John 6 that says that God set his seal of approval on him. It was just obviously a reference of the Holy Spirit.

I can look that up if I need to. But I've always viewed that as a fascinating verse about the Spirit, even though it doesn't mention the Spirit. What else could it be talking about? I think that's John 6 in verse 27. when he said, you remember when he fed the 5,000 and he said, y'all are looking for me because, you know, y'all want another meal. And he said, I tell you, y'all had your fill. You had your fill.

He said, y'all are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs, but because you ate the lows and had your fill. Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the son of man will give you. On him, he's speaking of himself in the third person, son of man. as a human. God, the Father, has placed his seal of approval. Yeah. Well. Same wording from Ephesians 1.

Ephesians 1. What is the Holy Spirit? It is a seal of approval. We've gone through the same process he did. And so that's why he's not unable to sympathize with our weaknesses. Ultimately, we have confidence. You can't say what most people, not most, but a lot of people feel like he's a million miles away.

He can't understand. If Jesus is king of kings, Lord of Lord's on the right hand of God, how come this is going? He doesn't understand. That's the evil one leading you down that road. Like, oh, you're nothing. You don't matter. You came from a single cell. You're not worth the blood of Jesus.

Yeah, that's it. It's detachment. It's detachment. It's detachment. It's detachment. It's isolation always. And he said like, no, you can be together. Have confidence, despite all what you're seeing here.

I went through the process. Not because I had to, because I wanted to. I didn't thought about this, but so I made a point, because there's three more let us. Let us hold unswervingly, Hebrews 1023, to the hope we profess, because God is faithful. Let us consider, verse 24, how we may spur one another on towards love and good deeds. And I made the point that that's paying forward. And Jesus, I wish I had heard you say that about John 6th, because what a great illustration.

He says, you come back because you've had your feel for what? More, more, more feel. When the idea is in crisis, once you've received food from him, you need to go share food with someone else. Exactly. You know, take what you learn and go feed other people, you know, should be the mindset. But instead, it's just like what he described.

We're always wanted to go back. It'd be like me coming out there and saying, you know, Mom and dad, y'all fed me some great meals in my life. I expect more. You need to get back in that kitchen and feed me. Well, that's not my life now. You taught me and train me. So guess what?

I'm constantly cooking and feeding other people. The idea is it flows out, which is exactly what he says. Excellent point. That's the thing that was happening in the feeding of the 5,000. And right after that, he feeds 4,000 people with very limited bread. and fish. And then there's a story in Mark 8, or even the disciples are like, they have one loaf of bread left, and they're like, how are we going to eat? And Jesus is like, have you guys not been paying attention? No way? Like, have I not showed you what I can do? But I love that John 6th passage

when he talks about what the real bread is, because he has a whole section Jesus does in John 6, where he says that he said you guys are worried about the bread that came down from heaven manna you know it fell out of the sky there in the exodus and what do they do by the way when god said eat what you can eat today but don't pick up any extra what do they do they try to pick up extra he's like you're you're missing it don't work for that guy give us this bread and jesus said i am the bread that's it i am the bread i mean so that the i was going to tie that up with hebrews Because the central point of Hebrews, if you said, what is the whole point is Jesus has said, I am? I am what?

I am priest. I am king. I am sacrifice. I am temple. I'm all of it. And so when you get to the end of the Bible in the book of Revelation, I was thinking the word I am, he's like in all of it. And this is how he says it in Revelation 1, this language is, I'm the first and the last. I'm the alpha and the omega, says the Lord God.

Who is? Who was? And who is to come, the Almighty. And then when John has this vision of the sovereign Christ, you know, this resurrected Christ that was so powerful that when John saw him, he felt his feet as though he was dead. And that's when Lord Jesus touched him and said, place his hand on his right, place his right handle me and said, do not be a first. great. And here's the reason why. So here's the confidence. I am the first and the last. I am the living one. I was dead going back to 1st, Corinthians 15. And now look, I am alive forever and ever, and I hold the keys to death and Hades. And that's the confidence right there. It's the

centrality of that man, that God man, who conquered death. Yeah, that's why I brought that up about the prayer because then don't you know that they later once they kind of all got it post resurrection they look back to that prayer and thought he created us and saved us and forgave us and he didn't have any sin i mean it wasn't a rule-oriented system that's why i'm glad you brought up first peter three you know baptism wasn't part of that old judaism system it was all a work-based if you keep all these rules, and what did that do? It reminded you of putting the forefront of your mind that you didn't have any confidence. It was the opposite of being confident.

And so then when he decided to do this new thing, and you see Jesus being baptized, you see him saying a prayer like that, he's shifting their focus on that system to him, even like what he did with the, with the miracle. Thank God he is. I just think it's the most clever. Just think about how that is written. And when you put all the pieces of that together, I mean, you're talking about a plan that, okay, I'm going to create humans,

then I'm going to become one, then I'm going to identify with them, so they'll understand that I understand what's going on. It's not like I'm detached. And because of love and humility, which is what God is, that's how it came all about. Even the plan you mentioned show, and we've had this question before, why would God, you know, create this plan and for us that he knew wouldn't work, but you're viewing it from the wrong perspective.

Think about it. It was a temporary plan to coexist with God, but it was never a permanent solution until he became flesh. So again, you're getting in that human mindset, just like of us saying, we're ready to go. You can't fast forward. He had to create. the system for us to understand who the Savior was when he got here. It's like I've heard the illustration.

It's like a road being under construction. Yeah, that's a good point. You know, you just have to go through it. And it's, you may lose an axle while they're working. But it's hard for you to envision where this road or, you know, how it's going to be a new road. Right. And it's just part of the process. And our temporary minds, it's hard to wrap our head around it.

But when you get to Hebrews 11, the last verse, and it says, you know, none of these people who were part of that construction road, they didn't receive the promise, but only together with us, were they able to look back? I hear the train are coming. It's coming around the bit. I tried to hit mute, and now that you've already acknowledged it. Every once in a while, you have a train whistle moment, and this is it. You call that the business breaking the fourth wall right there, so he just broke the fourth wall. Well, you used to, Zach, when you used to have that old office in downtown Black Mountain, and you and I did a few podcasts in there, it was the train track was literally right outside the door,

and it sounded like you were on the train. Well, wrap it up because at the end, he's going to say, don't throw away your confidence. So I can't, there's two points I have to make, and I don't have time to make them fully. And so we're going to, we'll lead this on the next podcast if you're with us. But I will say this, two things. One, what you mentioned, Jays, about community. Because he says in that last let us is let us not give up meeting together, some are in the habit of doing.

And that word habit, I want to talk about the next podcast, because the Greek word there is ethos, which is more than just what I'm doing. all the time, it's my character that's created out of what I'm doing, is the Greek thought, which is pretty powerful. When you think about the people you surround yourself, what that looks like, because you mentioned about the Jewish people, they had a system. They had a tight community. I mean, throughout all of human history, and especially when Jesus came into being.

But the thing about it was they were motivated by all the wrong things. They had formal rituals as the thing that drew them together as a community instead of family rights. In other words, instead of understanding that Jesus is our brink. brother, and he's come here to save us, everything was about formal ritual, which is why they missed the whole point. So the three questions, and I'll leave you with this as we end the podcast, but I'll come back and answer that third one because it's so crucial to understand in these last few verses, who do we believe in, which that's how Dad started the podcast. Who do we believe

in? We believe in Jesus. We believe that he is who he said he was. He continues to accomplish what he said he'd do for us. He takes care of our sin. How do we respond, which those are those let us passages. And we do that confidently inside family. And then the question I wanted to talk about next time, and this is huge, and this is where people have misunderstood so much, is why in the world would you turn back to want to do it by your will and your way? Yeah. Why would you ever want to do that? Because you know it won't work. And so I had a point or two in there I want to make, And then a great story that I kind of wrapped everything up with that is from Joe Beam, which I'll tell that in the next podcast. Yeah, that's good.

And you're going to make the point because it says those who turn to their own will, they're trampling the son of God underfoot. Oh, man. And just think about that. And they're treating as an unholy thing, the blood of the covenant that sacrificed him. Yeah. So which is something we need to discuss. All right. So we'll talk about that next time on Unashamed.

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