Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 936 | Jase Calls Out Uncle Si’s Noisy Church Antics from the Pulpit & Si Relishes Being Weird

Episode Date: August 8, 2024

Jase gets distracted in the pulpit due to Uncle Si’s noisy antics in the audience, but Si embraces his role as the “weird” uncle. Phil is amused by Si’s vigor, and Jase comes up with a catchy sermon idea that immediately has Al’s gears turning. The guys focus on the personal nature of Jesus and how we are each called to him in ways that are private and powerful. In this episode: Ephesians 3, verses 1-14; 1 Corinthians 12, verse 13; 1 Corinthians 15, verses 24-26; Acts 7, verses 48-59  — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We are freshly minted from a few days offside. We have to take a few. We're not like the duck call room where you guys just never take a day off. Oh, y'all actually shut it down for a while. We shut it down for a few days. We had to work our tails out to get there because you've got to do something ahead. But in real time, who would notice? Nobody would know because it feels like the audience, we've been rocking and rolling, but we actually were awful. week, which we were working ahead instead of doing four a week, we were doing six a week.

That's a grand. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it was a, you know, it's a good grind. I actually got some interesting, uh, we traded Zach for Sae by the way. I'd say most people think that's a, that's an upgrade, so. Well, I, you taught him everything he knows. Yeah. Well, I enjoy being here, you know, the people always ask me when they used to and said, well, why don't you preach more? And I said, well, I'm not the preacher.

You know, Phil, Al and Jason was a preacher. But then when I finally got down right down to it. Hey, I will preach. Here's the crazy thing. I actually enjoy it now. Oh, I know. Well, I know. Because it gets in your blood.

I knew when you had your coming out party is when they asked me to speak at, you know, where Al speaks so much. And I'm up there talking and then all of a sudden I hear this voice. and it wasn't the Jesus guy Lively Lively, Kurt Lively He honored Jesus And I'm like, who is that talking?

And then I realized Sye is making a point From about five rows From the back row I couldn't help it I can never quite hear him But I can hear him talking about that And I thought

Okay, sigh, I got this, you know This is my turn Sometimes you get so excited But I could tell I was like You made a good point And I kind of just reemphasized it I didn't want to mention

y'all need to get this okay I actually told my wife the last time you were on the podcast which wasn't very long ago I was like I'm telling you I was impressed with size Bible knowledge and his well and that's what we I mean like we enjoy you know the duck car room is fun and frivolity and stories and it's a great podcast this was a little more serious but so you get to play both sides so you get to well hey well no no

because that's that's the good part about this okay I get to have fun Yeah. Okay, because my motto is, hey, guys, if we can't have fun, guess what? Yours truly is going to be missing. Well, living in Jesus is supposed to be joyous. Well, no, no, because I'm saying, hey, look, if anybody on this world should be happy and joyful, it is those that are in Christ from crying out loud.

That's exactly correct. Now, you know what the biggest problem I had as a new Christian is when I would go, to the church building because we weren't technically raised in the church I guess you know so going to church was like a new thing to me and I guess when we kids I would the few times we went I really wasn't paying attention

but what would what I found a big contrast in is like you'd go to a football game because we're all sports fans and people are hollering jumping up and down getting mad at the refs you know but then when they I mean just literally.

Joyous. Joy. It's unbridled joy jumping up and down, tears flowing, hugging people, you know, over a high school football game. Yeah. Or college. And then two days later. It's actually the ultimate unity because, like, these people are people you may not have anything to do with in any other situation. Yeah.

But we come tonight. We put the colors on. We put the purple and gold. And we are all one. And are ready to go to war. Yeah. Yeah. If there's a bad call or whatever.

And then two days. later we're at the church building and look they're just like I mean head cocked back don't wait a these are the same people that I was with Friday night I'm talking about borderline depressed oh yeah and I just I just remember being fascinated as a teenager I thought I mean there's zero joy and our grandpa would sleep but then we'd say Paul were you sleeping during the server he said no boy I was just rest of my eyes and it just seemed like a contrast You know, we're going to live forever. We got the greatest news.

We have purpose. It just seemed like there would be something. Yeah. It'd be a little more exciting. But, you know. Yeah, but like you were talking about, I had too much guilt trip that I couldn't get rid of. That was my problem.

Because I was always messing up and something with, God, what's wrong with you? Yeah. No, that's sad. You just always. Yeah. And most of the time, the group we grew up, up with the sermons were adding on to that guilt.

No, no, and they were. I mean, it wasn't really helping you out of that same way. No, no, because that was what the youth minister yesterday preached a great lesson on faith, and it got to me thinking, you know, because, you know, well, here's the thing because I'm sitting here, and I was looking at that picture, okay, and I was talking about. There's a picture of a mountain on the screen. Yeah, beautiful, and it's covered up all the different colors. Yep.

You know, the human race messed up with creation. Okay, because they still hadn't got it right. Okay, everything you see is too perfect. Okay, there has to be a supreme being. Yeah, it's too beautiful. It's too beautiful and too perfect. And it's everything works according to his plan. Yeah.

Yeah, it's just hard to believe that it just came out of nowhere. Yeah, no, no, because, hey, when they say, oh, a big bang theory, hey, look, I spent 24 and a half years in the military. You don't have to tell me about it. about big bangs. Okay, because we got it all. You've heard some big bangs. Yeah, we got it all. I've made that same point, say, every time I've seen a big bang, it resulted in destruction.

Yeah. Chaos. Yeah, and total chaos. Not complete beauty and uniformity. Oh, yeah. That's a great point. So that's why, you know, the humor race has went astray because of creation. Okay.

And like Phil said, hey, hey, you idiots. We're telling time by this man called Jesus Christ. He must have done something really big. You know? We're still counting time, by them. Yeah, we might already look into that and say, well, let's, oh, what else is there? Like the Paul Harvey story. What you'll run into, size.

What you'll run into, size, the body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts. and though all these parts, its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with you. For we were all baptized by one spirit into one body, whether Jews, Greeks, slave, or free, we were all given the one spirit to drink. And what a body. Jesus Christ. That's the study of 1st Corinthians chapter 12. You know, I was thinking we're at the end of Ephesians too.

And I was thinking that just in studying this, because it goes down that vein of God bringing the entire human family together. That's right. In Jesus. Yep. But it has these words like he tore down the wall. you know, the hostility that was between Jews and Gentiles, but basically just you're getting a picture of,

it's hard to get along with people. It's hard to get along with your family. And so it made me realize that, you know, even that wall I think he's referring to when the Temple of Jerusalem under the Jewish system, when you looked at it, there was a wall around it, and they had inscriptions on it that anyone not from Israel were not welcome on penalty of death.

You don't even go in here, which is fascinating when you look up the old pictures and look at those inscriptions. I mean, you can't have any more hostility than that. They're saying, if you're not a Jew, you're not welcome. That's right. Or will hurt you. And so, you know, Jesus doing that, but it goes back to your point, even about creation. You know, if God is going to, you know, if there is a God, which we're all like, will look at creation.

But, and he had a plan to bring all people together, well, how would you pull that off? Because it's so hard to get people to agree. We're all different. And it made me think about true unity. What he's offering here is not like uniformity in the body of Christ, to Phil's point. We're all different parts. Right. Different background.

And that's what's really beautiful about him being the head of the church is that we now have his love, which can show the world, look, despite all our differences, when we gather up on Sunday mornings from people with people from every kind of culture, they've done every kind of sin, they have all these different personalities. And despite our differences, we have unity and. Christ. I mean, that is really what I think speaks to the powers, the evil powers of this world, which I think tries to divide us. You were watching the men's gymnastics. And it's so funny because I don't, gymnastics is going on

all year, I guess, but I know a lot about it because like Jay's, I've been watching the Olympics since I was a kid. So, but I don't even watch gymnastics every four years. And so I know it pretty well. And there's a, so the U.S. men had not won a medal in several. Olympics. I don't know why, but it hadn't been that good. And they won the bronze this year, but it's so funny because it was like they won the goal. They were so excited to win. But I started getting texts. We weren't watching it at the moment, and I started getting text. Hey, there's some guy who's the dad of one of the U.S. gymnast that, you know, because they're on right now. They're competing for the medals. And they're wearing a hat like Jason and I

have on today, a gospel hat. And they keep showing him in the stands. I was like, really. So I turned it on and sure enough this guy his name is brodie malone is the gymnast his dad jd every time they would show him in the stands he had one of our gospel symbol hats no and they just kept showing you know you're trying to get me back in aren't you i mean i was so so look so then so i so i took a picture of my tv and i sent it to brian robinson who's the guy that makes these hats and i was like hey your hat made the olympics you know he's like oh yeah i know him you know he's bought stuff from for he loves your podcast he listens to duck car room and unashamed i was like really he's from georgia and uh so i said well that's great you know so that was the end of it i sent i sent the

pictures to beth and some of our production who was it look we made the olympics and then i get an email the next day or two days later from this guy and i guess somebody must have told him we knew about it and he sent the nicest email about our family and he's a single dad his wife died of cancer so he raised his kids pretty much on his own he said you know the show guys me through a lot and I love what you guys do with the Word of God. So I'm like, well, we need to get you on the podcast. We need to hear your story, you know, what it was like. And he said, well, let me pray on that.

So he's praying about it. We'll see if he shows up. But it was amazing. So I was like, Jay, redemption on the 11th. The gospel was there. Well, I've always viewed sports as a way to bring people together because we're talking about, you know, unity in Christ. But I've always thought sports is a good thing because every four years, whatever differences we have in countries and all.

You know, we come together just for the love of sports, and we have people represent our country. So I always thought it was an awesome thing. They're in the race. Okay. Exactly. And it's a difference. You know, when you think about, you know, people going to the Olympics is one thing,

but having people represented from your country, well, they're, just think of the denial of their self and all the sacrifice and training and all, you know, it's kind of a beautiful thing that what they're doing is a totally different mindset. But it does generally bring people together, which is why it's so frustrating when people try to attack, you know, basic male, female genders or, you know, attack Christianity through, you know, through that kind of thing. And you're right. It's such a shame because, I mean, there's two billion Christians. in the world. So why would you want to do something like that in a unifying event? And I know they thought whoever dreamed that up thought they were being edgy.

And I thought, no, you want to be edgy in France. Do something about Muhammad like that and see what happens. Well, right. You know, so what I'm saying is it's just, it's a shame that any of that is done. And you're right, it's soiled it. So their numbers are way down this year. And I think that's part of the big reason. Well, that's part of the reason because I, you're, it's a,

it's a lack of love. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because any human being I see, I always want the best for him. Right. Okay. And I mean, that's just, that's just me.

Why would you get mad because somebody hit a lottery? Yep. Yeah. Be happy for the dude. That's right. Yeah. Good grief. Yeah, I agree.

So it's a shame that it's, and there's a lot of great stories. That had no place there. In fact, it's interesting, Jason, you know, we went back, remember we studied Corinthians on the podcast, there was the, there were ancient games that were going on. So when Paul wrote First Corinthians, he even had a little, you know, bit in First Corinthians 9 about when you go into the games and the strict training. And so interesting how ancient and all this idea of competing at that level, Lisa and I went on a cruise a couple of years ago. And we went to Mount Olympus, which is in Greece, where they had, you know,

the early ancient games. And so, and they showed. And they showed. you what the place looked like now it's just some ruins but even still there's like a earth stadium that's still there you know it's got the big high walls on the side and there was a competition field down there and you just think man they've been they've been doing this for a long long time this idea about competition and it's even biblical because it's mentioned exactly and i'm just not you know we're at a time in our culture where there's just an attack on the family male female husband wife having kids there's there's there's there's there's a time in our culture where there's There's even in our country, you know, the vice president candidate, J.D. Vance, well, his big thing is pro-family.

I want policies that help families, and I want policies that help people when they have kids. And he's been real clear why, because he grew up in a really tough situation. So, I mean, from his own experience, it's just like we tell our story. So their opponents, they came because they're like, oh, we got to attack him because they're not for him. Right. They're like, well, that's just weird. So now it's like that's their whole attack against him. And I'm like,

family is weird. Having a fan, being pro family is actually weird. That should be, that should really be something that both sides are for. Well, no, no. I mean, wouldn't it? Yeah. They're like, what a weirdo.

It goes back to the love thing. Yeah. Okay. They attack something that is, is cured. Okay. God put it the plant together. they attack something as geared for unity okay right they even ones attacked it okay that's why you know but just you know well what i'm saying though is you know if if husbands and wives you know male and females

don't get together if we just ended that there would be no humanity after one generation yeah yeah this is how you get here i feel like you know phil has given all these blunt arguments in the past, but you know, it kind of gets back to that. Yeah. I'm like, if my mom and dad didn't get together in a sexual relationship, I literally would not be here. Well, no, no, because here's what, hey, in any game, there's rules of the game. Yeah.

Oh, that's good point, sir. You know what I'm saying? Okay, and, hey, for the human race, here's the rules. It takes a male and a female. and they got to get together to make another human being. Yeah. Profound. Hey, it don't happen.

No other way. Zah, you know what that is now if you believe that? Weird. Weird. Well, hey, weird is my middle name. Okay. That's what Dad always said. Luckily, weird is he in around here.

Since Christ indeed, Christ indeed has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who. have fallen asleep. Since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead also came to a man. To a man. For as in Adam, all die. So

in Christ, all will be made alive. Each in his own turn, Christ's the first fruits. Then when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom of God, the Father, after he's

destroyed all dominion, all authority and all power, for he must reign until he's put all of his enemies under his feet. And listen to this. And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. And hey, did you hear that sound? It was a light bulb coming on. You got it, son.

You should have seen the light. You big dummy. Reach on. So, Jay's you intrigued me. I'll segue us into Ephesians 3. which is where we are today, you intrigued me with this caddies for Jesus, man, that's really good. It's percolating in my mind.

There's a sermon working. Because I thought about this text, that's exactly a good description of what Paul describes himself. In other words, he's like, look, because he starts out like he's going to do this prayer in verse one. For this reason, I appalled the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles. And then it's like, I call it the Jace rabbit hole. He's about to do this prayer, which he picks up again in 14. He uses the same language. So these next 13 verses in between there is him going down a rabbit hole about his unique position of why God called him to do what he did.

But it's interesting to either way he starts it. He says, I'm a prisoner of Christ Jesus, which was interesting way he put that. Now, we know he wrote these as he was incarcerated, or at least house or rest. So he's a prisoner, but he didn't say I'm a prisoner for Christ Jesus. He said of Christ Jesus, which I think is really interesting. He shows you his heart and kind of who the, who the stars should be. And this is what takes me back to this caddy thing, the idea that I'm just a reflection of the real. The real deal is the guy that's actually putting the ball on the hole, but I'm the guy that's telling you about him. But the time is, again, I'll go back to love and serving. Okay.

The caddy is serving the golf player to give the man. He's making sure that everything he's doing is the best it could possibly be. And that's the same thing with Christ. Same thing. Because that's why I always love to tell it, okay, I know the man that hung the sun, moon, and stars. That'd be Christ Jesus. And, hey, his power sustains it. Well, you remember he was, you know, before we get into the details about being specially commissioned for the Gentiles,

you remember what happened. Because his, his, I guess, coming to Jesus was more like Jesus coming to him. Yeah. Literally. Because you had this scene of Stephen. So Stephen is basically attacking the two things that Paul is fix. to attack in Ephesians 3. Correct.

Which was, there's a new temple. Yep. This wall saying nobody else is welcome. That's going to be torn down. A wall must come down. It literally was torn down in AD 70. Remember Jesus, that was one of the things that he wept about when he looked out and made this prediction that this was going to happen, the destruction of the temple.

And then... Yeah, he was sad. I mean, he literally was sad. He said Jerusalem, Jerusalem. I mean, why have you, why have you gotten to this point? And he's looking ahead, Jason, right? He's looking ahead 40 years and seeing it all come down. But the other thing that Stephen, because he said that in Stephen's sermon in verse 48 of chapter 7, he said, that's a long sermon.

We've covered it many times in various podcasts. But he said, the most high does not look. live in temples made by men. Well, now, I'm at the end of his sermon. You know, he introduced Jesus who he was being God in human form, and he introduced all of the Old Testament pointing to Jesus. So, because he goes, he talks about Moses and so then he says, he brings up the second thing Paul's going to bring up in Ephesians 3 when he said, you couldn't keep the law.

Yeah, he gets down to 50. of chapter 7 in Acts. He says, you stiff-necked people with uncircumcised hearts and ears. You are just like your fathers. You resist the Holy Spirit. Was there ever a prophet your fathers didn't persecute? They even killed those who predicted the one, the coming of the righteous one. And now you betrayed and murdered him.

Here's a thing too that they got upset about. You who have received the law that was put into effect through angels, but have not obeyed it. When they heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth. So he attacked their temple, and he attacked that they couldn't keep the law. That was the two things that they were hinging their whole salvation on. And so, and we remember what happened. He looks up and sees Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

The only time in the entire Bible where Jesus is not sitting at the right hand of God, which I think is, it means something. Yeah. I think when Jesus' followers are being persecuted, it gets his attention. But that's just my opinion. So they pick up rocks and they kill him. And then they dragged him out of the city and began to stony. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul.

And so, and then 8.1 says Saul was there giving approval to his death. So next chapter, you get to chapter nine. Saul, he's still breathing murderous threats against the Lord's disciples. And, you know, he's traveling down the road. And then all of a sudden, on his journey, this is nine three, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him, he fell to the ground and heard a boy say to him, Saul, soul, why do you persecute me? So this is the Jesus encounter.

Oh, no. Yeah. You heard the click there, boys? Delight. Yeah, and he said, who are you, Lord? I am Jesus whom you're persecuting, which is a very interesting statement because Jesus is at the right hand of God,

but he says, you're persecuting me. And so when you think about what that means, as Spirit of Jesus people, you know, Stephen had the Spirit of Jesus of Jesus. Jesus in him. Well, no, no. When he was persecuting him, that means you're persecuting Jesus. Well, no, no.

That's the reason I like your point. That's the reason Jesus stood up. Exactly. I agree. And that means, look, when you're suffering, guess who else is? Right, Jesus is right there with you. I mean, look, now, we're getting into a sermon here. So you see that.

Great tone, brother. You see that in chapter three when he says, I mean, you meant to read it? Yeah. Because it gives his. there's a lot going on in here, but that one rabbit hole is in here that Al mentioned. So he said, I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus

for the sake of you Gentiles. Now look how this has come full circle. He went from persecuting and killing to having a conversation with Jesus literally, and now he's being persecuted. In essence, Jesus being persecuted. I mean, that's true. transformation, and it's even transformation that's gone into something almost unbelievable.

And it was all planned. Because remember when God, Jesus was talking to Anonais, he said, I would show him how much he must suffer for my name. For my cause. Yeah. So then he says, surely you have heard about the administration of God's grace that was given to me for you. It's interesting, Jay's that word administration is the only place that appears in the Greek word.

Well, I saw that in your notes, which he mentions it again at 310. His intent was that now through the church, the manifold wisdom of God. Oh, no, and nine. We'll get to it in nine. But he also, because I looked up the Greek word for that, he also mentions it in chapter one in verse 9 and 10, the word administration was not translated, but it's the same root phrase that says, according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ. That same word for the administration.

So you just think, it's God administering his grace in Jesus, and he does it in people. Yeah. So. And unlikely people. Well, right. The thing that I get out of this the most, though, okay, is a lot of people, they don't understand. You've got to have a personal relationship with Christ. No, I agree.

It's missed. And which is the point about... The underlying waves are current or however you want to say it. This thing is personal. Yeah. Okay? It's got to be personal to you because it's definitely personal with Jesus. Well, just look in the story we just read.

He was attacked. their temple and their law. Well, they're mad, and then all of a sudden, something real personal happened because this Jesus, who he had just proclaimed to him, he looks up and sees him. How much more personal are you going to get?

Well, here's Paul attacking in the name of lawkeeping and temple worship, and now he has the same experience, yet totally opposite, where Jesus is now, still at the right hand of God, confronting him. Saying, why are you personally?

Yeah, hey, dude, why are you doing this to me? Yeah. And to your point earlier, Seth, he saw the light, and it was so bright, it blinded him. For three days. For three days. No, no. I mean, that's how bright that light was. Oh, no.

And then scales fall off his eyes. Exactly. Okay. And he really begins to see. That's right. Exactly. So let me read this. So surely you have heard about the administration of God's grace that was given to me for you.

that is the mystery made known to me by revelation and i i would i would add i mean now i saw in your notes that you had a lot of lot of verses about the spirit and the spirit you know speaking through people right but he literally had a revelation in a literal sense yeah but you're looking for the word he had a revelation that was personally addressed to him direct direct I lean toward that being more significant I think than most people because when Paul says it's different because we had one of our one of our instructors in the school and you know I would read a lot of verses about like well we should be like Paul you know sharing Jesus and going town to town and being persecuted and he's like well Paul was specially commissioned and he went

here for that. I was like, well, I get it. He was specially commissioned, but we're doing the same thing. But his special commission, his conversion was different than everybody else's. He had a literal, physical, I mean, it's a spiritual, I guess, because Jesus was at the right hand. But when there's an audible voice and then there's a display of light and you're blinded, this was a special commission. And he even said in first month is 15, remember the phrase, you used as and to me as one who is abnormally born was the way he described his way in. Oh, no. In other words, it wasn't like everybody yet.

He was comparing us after the other disciples. He's like, look, this happened to me, and it's something, you know, that makes me unique. Yeah. But look, he went through the same process that we did. You know, God had a caddy and a nice who doesn't seem like a significant character in the Bible. Great point. He said, go down here and talk to this guy, so they spend a few days together. And you say, well, why?

Because what I've learned, I don't know who said this, but it's right. Most of the time in life, we have this saying, seeing and is believing. I've said it a thousand times. But in Christ, hearing is believing. Think about it. Think about Romans 10. Faith comes through hearing the message. And so even though he had this encounter, how can they hear if we don't tell them?

He was blinded. You know why? Because in Christ, hearing is believing. He was hearing and he was listening. And then he sent him, he still allowed him to go through the same process we do. Humble yourself and listen to my guy, Anonis, and he does. And then he goes through the same process. You remember at the end when he gave his conversion in Acts 22, he winds up, and I believe it was Anonis.

that said, what are you waiting for? Arise, be baptized and wash your sins away. And there's the humility that came from that. And he received the same spirit that we received. Guess where this took me. And a lot of people have said stuff. It took me when Jesus is hanging on the cross and the thief was beside him.

Yeah. And Jesus, he got on the other guy for saying, hey, this man has done nothing. But Jesus turned to the other one. and said, hey, because of this, you're with me today in paradise. Yeah. Okay. Personal conversion.

Yeah, exactly. Personal conversion. Because he recognized Jesus in the moment. He recognized Jesus to be who he says he was. Right. Yeah. Okay. In a very difficult moment.

No, no, yeah. And I can't say it good enough. This is a personal relationship we're talking about here, folks. Yeah. Yeah. Good point. So look, let me read three, four. So in reading this, then you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,

which was not made known to men and other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God's holy apostles and prophets. The mystery is that through the gospel, the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel. And that goes back to him, destroy. the hostility and tearing down the wall. Members together of one body, which is why Phil read the verse in 1st Corinthians 12, and shares together in the promise in Christ Jesus. But I'll add, despite our differences,

you know, in personalities and cultures and race and sins and background, that's where the real power is of this. Well, that's where the unity's at. That's right. And what you just read, Paul goes into it in greater detail in Romans, 10, 11, and, you know, 9, 10, 11, and 12. And it ends with love.

And then he says, I became a servant of this gospel. That's why I came up with the little catty analogy, by the gift of God's grace, given me through the working of his power. And I want to add here, he's saying the same things that he said in the first two chapters. Yeah. Over and over. He's going back to the power, heaven and earth coming together, which we're fixed to read.

He really restates that whole. He restates the first two chapters in a personal way. He's saying, I've seen it, I know it, this is me. Yeah. And it was all a plan. It started at the beginning of time. All right, let me keep reading. The verse 8 of chapter 3, although I am less than the least of all God's people.

And that's not just the apostles. He said that's all God's people. Well, I believe that because, one, he's, He's in prison right now, so just think about it. You wouldn't think most time when someone's in prison, that's a shameful thing. And I think that's why he started this off saying as a prisoner of Christ, but he was actually in prison,

which we view as, oh, you know, who do you think you are? You're in prison. And I do think it's because of his past that we read. That's why I wanted to read it. He was killing other followers of Jesus. So I do think if we were to go down the road, what's the worst thing you could do? That's got to be in the top three. If your past sins are killing other followers of Jesus?

Terrorizing, yeah. Yeah. Would you all agree with that? Absolutely. So you're seeing his humility. And like what you said, about, you know, when you go to the, when you were younger and you would go to church and you were so guilt-ridden. Yeah. and that was kind of on you because basically we were in a group that was stressing more the wrath of God

and judgment of God rather than the love of God and the personal relationship, which is still going on in our culture today, which we didn't really say, but if you're going to a church every Sunday and you're walking out of there miserable and depressed, you might order to stop and think, well, wait a minute here. At some point, where's the excitement and where's God's gift of grace? that we're reading about that brings peace and joy and love. But you know, Jay, is this really, though, it's how people, I heard it this several times watching the Olympics.

This is a redemption tour. This is a redemption story because these people had lost four years ago or eight years ago, and now they're getting a chance to win. And Americans love a redemption story. But it really goes back to this. I mean, as much as Paul was down on himself, he said, I'm the chief of sinners, I'm the worst of sinners. Here he says, I'm the least of any of God's people.

So he's making it clear. I'm nothing. But just think about, we love a story where a guy realizes he was wrong and says, you know what, I need to do better. I mean, so I can appreciate Paul, probably more than Paul appreciated Paul. Well, right. His personal conversion is this for me. The human race, and I'm part of the human race, and I've been stupid too.

We're stupid. We're ignorant. Yeah. Okay. So there's a lot of times. that God has got to go to the ultimate to get our attention. That's right. Yeah, which is why we do, why there are bad things that happen.

Because then in those moments, you realize there's a God and I'm not him. And that's when he shines the greatest. Yeah. And if there's no God, well, then I'm doomed anyway. I mean, there's a personal reflection there in life when bad things happen that we all have that reminds us of our own mortality. Well, no, because when I've got here, I have to feel, I said, I had just been thinking, you know,

in and of yourself, what have you got? And the answer is, a goose egg, zero. Yeah, exactly. And then if you go and search the scriptures, what we're talking about today, you're talking about the man, Jesus Christ. Well, hey, you ought to look at the pros and cons of being in him. Yeah.

Because 2 Corinthians, chapter 1, verse 18 says hey all the answers in christ jesus are yes yeah yeah good so let me read this one of the yeses is it says that his grace was given to me to preach to the gentiles the unsearchable riches of christ i mean to your point there's so rich that you can't even wrap your head around which he's gonna kind of repeat in his prayer when he's like to him who can do immeasurably more than all we can ask or imagine. Just think about that statement. I want to read the rest of this. So verse nine, it says, and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God who created all things, his intent was that now through the church,

the wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose, which you accomplished in Christ Jesus, our Lord, in him, and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence i ask you therefore not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you which are your glory so really you say what was his point his point was because the whole chapter the end of chapter two and the beginning of chapter three is him bringing a new humanity a new there's a new creation of people yep and and he's going to double down on that when he gets to chapter four uh when he makes the comment about the new self you know 22 it's like you were with your former way of life to put off your old

self to be made new verse 23 in the attitude of your minds and to put on the new self created to be like God in true righteousness there's a new creation the whole rest of the book because i didn't get that when i was young i didn't get that because when i come out of that water when i reenacted jesus death barrel resurrection i didn't get that that hey I am a new creation. Yeah. Well, you know what I didn't get before we studied Ephesians? I didn't get that when he's making this point about tearing down the wall between Jews and Gentiles,

we're going back to the initial creation of mankind. There's a new tree of life, which was Jesus dead on a tree. Oh, yeah. And now all of a sudden, we have a new creation. Look, there's a new liberation. Remember when he led the people out of Acts? Exodus and he freed them from captivity. Well, Ephesians 2, the first few verses, we were all captive in sin.

We've now been freed. There's a new creation. There's a new Exodus. And it's all because of what Jesus has done. And it's the only place on the planet to bring all people together. And I think, I loved your earlier point that all of us have that opportunity to be ordained for the moment. Because that's what Paul's describing. He knew he was our dame for the mom.

In the movies, there's one of my favorite scenes of the blind is when you and mom are standing on the front porch. And the boys are playing now in the yard. You're in your uniform. And the frustration that you both are sharing with each other over wishing and hoping dad would figure something out. To me, that speaks to the human existence of where we are. We get to that place where we love somebody.

so much, but you can't change them. They have to have that person relationship. We've been talking about this. But then when it happens, the joy that comes out of being ordained for the moment is so good. And the thing about it is what you can't understand is what God has to do to finally make it at that moment. That's right.

When you finally, the Bible says, we relent. Yeah, the prodigal son, he did what? He came to his senses. That's right. I want to read one more. Finally, the light bulb clicked on. That's it.

And said, oh, what about your good grief? What's wrong with him? And the picture of him coming back was not one of making him feel worse about itself. I always figured God was sitting there with a hammering every time I mess up. That's right. Okay. And that's my ignorance. That's a lot of hammering.

Yeah. Oh, no. Don't know. It took a lot. Okay. It took a lot to get to me. Okay. But you got to think about you.

Okay. back to personal. This is the most beautiful thing you will ever have the chance to be involved in. That's it. Okay, because Jay's just read it. Here's what's entangled into this

where you will spend eternity. Yeah. That's what we're talking about here. We're talking about the man Jesus Christ, but hey, with him, with him. You're talking about where are you going to spend eternity, dude, our lady? I want to read one more passage. I know it's time to go.

Because speaking of Paul's specially commissioned and that this is for everyone and it was accomplished through Jesus becoming a man, I think 1 Timothy 2 is a really good place to go. In verse 3, 35, it says, this is good and pleases God or Savior who wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men,

the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men, the testimony given in its proper time, which is what he's referring to, that this mystery has now been revealed. And for this very purpose, I was appointed a herald and an apostle. I'm telling the truth.

I'm not lying. And a teacher of the truth. faith to the Gentiles. And again, hey, Jesus right now is sitting and waiting, and he's waiting for you. That's it. Yeah. Do you have this change to make a personal decision? Ordained for the moment.

You ordained for the moment. And, hey, and your eternal soul is involved here. Where you're going to spend eternity is evolved. Jesus is waiting. He's looking, he's watching, he knows you. And he wants you to say, Lord, help me. That sounds like an invitation, Dave. I told you, Saki, preach.

All right, we're out of time, son. It always goes fast when you're on. Thanks for coming. Oh, it's always my pleasure. And I always learn something. I always go away with something that is good for yours truly. There you go. All right, we'll see you next time on Unashamed.

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