Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 967 | Jase’s Ticket Battle Ends with a Twist No One Saw Coming & Jesus Is the Best Defense Attorney

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

Jase relays the final end of the controversial seatbelt ticket saga — with a twist no one expected! Phil is just glad he doesn’t have to hear about it any more, and Al makes a point for Jesus as the ultimate judge, jury, and public defender. The guys give a bird’s-eye view of Ephesians in summary, and a study of Colossians will be coming next! In this episode: 1 Timothy 2, verses 1-6 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? We got permission, Al. We got permission? Yeah, we got permission. I mean, Jace, let me say this. Let me just announce it before you say anything. I'm super excited today. No, I mean, you don't want to give the end. Yeah, lead us up to it. You got to have a, it's got to look, we're in the, we're in the entertainment business.

You've got to have the thing out there that. So unashamedation, so you'll know what we're talking about it. I walked in this morning and Jay said the verdict is in. I didn't know what. That could mean a lot of things around here. The verdict. It could have been a good hunt. And you have no other context.

You and Phil have no other context for that, right? Right, exactly. And so then y'all were talking a little bit and I realized the verdict, the thing I've been waiting to hear has happened. The seatbelt paper has now been resolved. It has come to its conclusion. Which is good news either way, because I know. a lot of people are sick of hearing about us, but this is, I mean, but this is the end of the story.

We have a conclusion. I actually stumbled upon the conclusion early because I called Jason. Was it Saturday? Yeah, you called me just about something else. No, you called me the day it happened. So that would have been Friday. You literally called me after I walked out of the courthouse. And let's just say there was an energy.

I'm not going to say if it was a negative or positive energy, but there was a palatable strong energy coming out of Jace. Well, that's been obvious because we've touched on this for several podcasts. Well, Phil got wind of it and you asked me a question. You remember what you asked me, Phil? Did you win? You had something else to that. You said, did you win or lose?

And do you remember what my response? Fighting the government, I had my house. I mean, hands up for that. It's like, of course. That's the, you said, did you win or lose? And do you remember what I answered? Phil Shuggett has said, no. I said, yes.

You said yes to both. Yes to both. Yeah. I said, actually, if you would have said, did you lose or win, the answer is yes. So here's what happened. This is a- Leave it to J's to not have a simple answer to this question. This is very complex, and most of our...

I'm shocked that something happened to you is complex. I actually think you're going to find what I'm fixed to tell you very hard to believe. They were saying you were guilty of breaking the law. Here's what happened. So Thursday night, I'm going back. This all happened Friday. Thursday night, I'm at a card game. Yeah.

There's no thinking about seatbelts and upcoming court dates. But one of the guys playing in the game is, And I'm, we're acquaintances. He's a defense lawyer. And I said, well, look, I got, you know, you being a defense lawyer, I got a case coming up. And he's like, what, what about? So I kind of told him the case. Yeah.

And he said, I'm sending that prosecutor a text right now. And so I think he was kind of, because they battle against each other. They know each other. Yeah. And so he sends a text. unsolicited by me. I didn't know what he was texting. And I think he was kind of kidding around like,

you're going to lose. Oh, Jace is going to get you or whatever. And so this guy came back with something to the effect of, no, he will lose. And so the guy we call the counselor at the card game, he's like, why don't I just set up a meeting and y'all work it out? I was like, hey, if he wants to meet, I'll meet. So the next thing he tells me is he said 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.

He said, I'll be there. I'll show you where to go. I was like, well, you tell them I'm coming. This sounds like wide earth at the end. So I drive up there. Did you say, and hell's coming with me? No, I left that part out. That's a wide earth team's town.

And so I meet, you know, the card player out in front. We go through a series of, you know, whatever you do when you go through the courthouse, you know, metal detectors and officials. You didn't have any weapons on it, D.J. People are looking at me like, is he? What was the charge? Well, hang on, dad. So we go into this guy's office and we sit down, which I was surprised that my buddy is staying with me,

which is a key element in the story I'm fixed to say. So the counselor, the card game counselor has tagged along. retain this guy in any way. We were playing cards night before. However... Does he lose to you quite regularly? No, he's a pretty good play.

He's pretty good. And so... I just wonder if he's paying off a dead or so. No, he's good. So we, uh, he said, what's your, what's your problem? So, uh,

so I give my version of the story. I mean, I'm a man of integrity. Look at my record. There's no skeletons in the closet. That's, that was where I, started. I mean, you'll look up my record in the last 40 years. It'll take you about two seconds and you're not going to find anything. One moment, 20 years ago, I got a ticket for evading a red light.

So I went ahead and told that story. I've told it here. The newspaper story. No newspapers in the newspaper bin. So I kept going. I didn't fight it because technically they were right. I should have turned around and got back in line. Yeah. But I just kept going. Bohn! Got hammered. So then I go through the case and I said, here's the biggest problem I have is the statute that the guy quoted, the law officer, was not correct.

I said, I was honest about me having my seatbelt, but he was not honest in quoting the statute. It's not in there. I was like, so I'm a man of integrity. I just don't think that's right. And if you're listening, what the issue was, Jace had the seatbelt on, but it wasn't crossing over his chest. It was under his arm with the statue. That is an incorrect assessment of what happened.

Objection overrule. Objection. It was over my torso, but it was not over my shoulder. It was under your shoulder over the torso. Actually, for my case, I took a. picture and I I showed it to the to the prosecutor. Maddie, do you have this picture? Maddie, I will send these two the legal way.

We'll get that up on the screen for it. So, man, we have evidence we were introducing into this proceeding. And I introduced it to the prosecutor. Well, when he cranked up after he said, are you finished? And I was like, yes, sir. Uh-oh. He gave his case, which was a preview of, what he would have

what he's going to do and about I guess it took about five minutes into it I thought I'm fixed to lose because his question to you was it was a withering barrage

to be fair the smoking gun was when he asked you had you read the owner's manual of your own vehicle that was part of his argument he had about three or four argument he said here are the facts he said you were wearing the seat belt

improperly. And I had made a point in my presentation that there were any studies that I could find that showed the difference. And if someone has it under their shoulder, wall fasten, or on top of their shoulder. Well, he produced a study. So that was the first thing. He had this study and there were six people that whoever did the study deemed would have survived if they'd had it over their shoulder. Now look, when he said that, my friend who's sitting beside me, he leaned over to me and said, that's inadmissible. So, because it was, you know, we got a subjective study. So I kind of said, well, you're producing a study with six people?

That sounds like a small sample. He looked at me with kind of felt like Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson in the farm. You can't handle the truth. No, he was like, if we can save one life, I think it's worth doing it. Sir, you can't handle the truth. He went Luke 15, which, am I going to argue with that? No. No.

I was like, well, I'll have to. He actually used a Bible verse on it. No, I was just thinking, Luke 15. I've been saying, if he's doing that, then this man is good. So then he said, I have your owner's manual. This is point two, after he had the study. Point two. I have your owner's manual.

Do you drive a 2000, you know, 20, yeah. Well, it says, he had it highlighted. it says do not wear your seatbelt under your arm. It says that in my owner's mouth. And I was like, huh, he said, have you not read your owner's manual? And I said, evidently not. And he's like, it's not my responsibility or the state's responsibility for you to know what's proper and what's not proper. So it was a really good point.

Yeah, good point. And he had the study with the six people. Then he had a video that I watched, a doctor. saying he had had a patient come in and this seatbelt was under his arm, but it ripped through his vital organs in the crash, which my response in the moment was, well, that makes me not even want to wear a seatbelt if it ripped those vital organs, you know. And he's like, he wasn't wearing it properly.

So after all that, I was like, all right, well, you should have briefed, the law enforcement, you should teach a class because if he would have made these types of arguments, there wouldn't have been any kind of problem. But this guy's... You'd have paid the $50. Well, wait, we're getting to that. Because the law officer also said the ticket was 25, which was another deceiving statement, because it was 50.

So at that moment, at that moment, I really was impressed with the prosecutor. And he also said, because when I said about my character, and I gave him a little review, you over what, how I've been involved with supporting law enforcement. Not just in the state. I talked about two years. I went to the local prison here. And I said, now look, I was out there sharing Jesus. But I was also helping your job because I was saying in a very loud voice,

stop breaking the law. And so he was like, well, we appreciate all that. However, once that 10, that 10. ticket was issued and this is the case I give and and he he made a strong statement he said I have prosecuted this type of case many times which is why he was so that was my question to you how did he know so much about this but he's done it and then he said the key line and he said and you're going to lose well when he said that my acquaintance fires back and says no no you're not he looked at me first and said, no, you're not. And he said, let us be clear. And I was thinking,

us, I changed teams five minutes ago and you didn't get the memo. He said, let me be clear. He just couldn't take it anymore. And I'll make this PG because I just went through a big speech about being a man of integrity. And now here's my defense counsel that you didn't hire. It was like, we're, we're not going to put up with this manure. And we will go to court and we want an apology for us even being here. And he's like, I'm going to go get us a court date. So he got up and I was like, no, I'm paying the ticket. He was like, no, you're not.

We're going to get a court date. So he leaves. And so this prosecutor said, where did you meet this guy? I was like, I made him out a card date. That was so funny. I said, well, he's fired and I didn't even hire him. I was like, I'm going. You know, the hardest thing about firing him is he didn't really have.

hire him. Yeah, yeah. I didn't really hire him. So we start talking and he's like, look, we know that you have a voice. And he gave me this really passionate speech about you have a voice because I went on this big deal about click it or ticket. I said, I clicked it and still got a ticket, you know. And he's like, well, you need to tell people, shoulder it or shoulder the fine. I mean, I was like, okay, because he's like, he convinced me.

if they see you without your seat belt over your shoulder over your shoulder they're going to give you a ticket and i i was like let's be honest and they're doing it because they think it's healthier for it it's not like well exactly he convinced me he believes in it but i was like well this is why he won me over after my lawyer left he was like i get i watched the footage the the law officer could have done a better job He didn't take up for it. He was like, it was very confusing. He was misquoting the statute. He could have done a better job.

He's like, but once it gets here and you, because he's like, you admitted it. I was like, well, that's what I have a problem with. Because he's like, we got you on tape. You said I didn't have it on. I was like, well, I was being honest. He's like, well, that hung you. When you admitted that, then you need to pay the fine. And he's like, we're not going to let you off just because you're famous or whatever.

But you do have a voice. And so now you can educate people. And I was like, well, I was ignorant of the law. I said, if you watch the footage, you saw my sermon about Hebrews. And he said, yeah, I found it comical. Because I said, it was an accidental sin. He's like, but I don't care if he did it on accident or not. I believe it.

So at this time, my friend comes in. He's like, court date December 5th. We're on. I was like, no, I'll result. He's like, no, we're winning this. this is going to happen. I was like, here's the biggest problem. I said, what's the date?

I was like, that's during duck season. He said, no, I'll put it during the split on purpose. I was like, but in the split, I hunt somewhere else. And so I was like, that's, my hypocrisy leaves once I got to give up duck hunting or a duck hunting trip to fight this battle. I was like, and I don't think I can beat this guy. I mean, even. He convinced you in his argument. Well, I believe it is subjective.

It's back to Tombstone. Back to Tombstone. Remember what Doc Holliday said at the end? My hypocrisy only goes so far. And we found the end of yours. You're not going to miss the day, Decker. Yeah. Well, because then my counselor was like, no, he's just smoking mirrors.

He's like, the law is on your side, Jace. And I was like, because it's subjective was his point. This is open to. He's probably right. You probably could have wanted it. And that's why the prosecutor said, Well, I'm not opposed to making the law with more clarity. I mean, he seemed like he was playing a team player.

He's like, but you throw in your owner's manual, you throw in the studies, and you throw in the fact that they can't see that you have your seatbelt on, which is really a big problem for them. I was like, I'm all about that. If you wanted to put in the law, it must be visible. Well, then you would have them wearing it over your show. Right. So there's my speech.

So I just said, look, I would fire you, but I didn't hire you. I'm going to pay this fine. And he's like, don't do it. So I take off, get directions to, I have to go to another courthouse. I walked, you know, three or four hundred yards. I go in through another metal detector. I go in there. I'm here to pay my fine.

But then I still couldn't help it. I said, I'm paying the fine, seatbelt violation, even though I have my seatbelt on. I did say that. And so she said $50. I was like, $50, he said $25. Another. I was like, I'm going back to court. And the woman really thought I was serious.

And I was like, I'm just kidding. But still, he did say $25. So I give the $50. As soon as I gave the $50, well, a woman who looked like she was in charge of something, walked in the room and said, okay, did he pay us $50? and she was like, yep, it's like, we're going to give it back to him. We're going to take this off your record and you have a good duck season. Well, then I was like, you won, Jay.

That's called winning. What just happened here? Winning. I said, did you lose or did you win? Well, I lost and then I won. But you got your money back. So then I couldn't figure out what just happened. And you weren't sure if you should say anything because when somebody tells you...

The upper echelon at that courthouse had had a meeting. I think... What's what they're going to do with you. Here's what I think. Zach has a different theory. Here's what I think. And because at some point I called my counselor friend and I was like, what just happened? And he's like, well, what happened?

I was like, well, they gave my money back. and said, go on your way. And he's like, well, we won. Congratulations. Good cop, bad cop. I was thinking, who's the good cop? He's like, oh, you were the good cop. I was the bad cop.

We got it. And I couldn't figure out what he was telling. I never heard it the case where the guys like doing all this stuff and you never even talked to. You don't even know who's going to be there. No. You should make a movie about this. So, but my theory is, I think.

think once I admitted that they had a case and I was really impressed with the prosecutor and I thought okay this is this is something that he believes in and he believes this is not properly wearing your seatbelt he has a studies it is in the owner's man you know he made a good point that if the officer had told you what he said you either just said the officer should have said the statute says that you must have it properly fastened and this was important proper. If he had just said that, fine. But don't quote something that does not apply and try to hide and say that's what it says. Right. That doesn't say that. So, because I thought he was being dishonest. I think now he just doesn't know. I was like, well, you need to educate it. So my theory is,

once I humble myself and said, y'all are right. They said, okay, that's all we wanted to know. If we see you, we're going to pull you over. Tell all your friends. Use your friends. Use your voice to tell people, we will give you a ticket. Where are the seatbelt over the show? It's not about the money. Now, Zach had another view of that, which he's probably right, too. What was your views that? Because we're still holding court here on Unashamed Nation.

I'm going to be my verdict. So you've got to keep in mind, like, I've done a lot of stuff with Jace over the years. So I kind of know the back end of some of his dealings, right? And I know what it would cost to get him as a spokesman for your calls or for your brand or whatever it is. And what I determine is, is they have retained Jace as a spokesman for their campaign and they paid $50 for it, essentially. So they got, Jay's, so they got him for about 50 bucks. They got the celebrity endorsement. Jay's working cheap these days. That's what I said. Well, it actually didn't cost me 50. It cost, I mean, it was my 50 to start with. Yeah.

So, Jace, I have a simple question. Yeah. Would you do it? again? Well, I drove down here and I have my seatbelt over my shoulder the entire time because I just don't want to, you know. Well, here, I got a question for you. Who among us and also are people watching in here? Who has ever read your owner's manual? Just, I'm just curious. Is anybody here read an owner's manual? Jack, have you ever read an owner's manual to your vehicle? Only if I'm looking up to like a specific issue. Trying to find out. So there you go. It was, you know, looking back, on it because we have to move on. I would do it again because I think it wasn't clear.

It was about integrity. And I do think they should make the law. They should provide a little more clarity. I really do. In the law, how hard is it to change that? I think all they should do is that it must be visible. That way it would always be on your... Well, who knows that this will not do that.

This may, because you had all this happened and you've talked about it. Because we don't want them wasting their time. So I think that would be a good enough law, you know. So, I mean, a part of me when the original idea about seatbelts came out, you know, it was a big personal preference thing. It's my body. I can do what I want, you know, that kind of logic. And I think that's still the underlying tension of it to this day.

I mean, we've all basically adapted and do it. But I think it early on, and in somewhere deep down, is still a little bit of a freedom issue. Well, being the law, man. made laws. I mean, it is the law now, but I'm just saying, deep down, we're kind of like, you know, it's my life to choose, but. Well, right. Well, here's the spiritual application of that story, because I think they in a clever way, because somebody had a meeting about this somewhere. But it was a lot like coming to Jesus, you know, because in this case, I broke the law, even though it was accidentally. and we go through all this tension and arguing and a lot of man hours and all this. And then I finally just thought it's not worth it.

I humble myself said, I'll pay the fine. And then all of a sudden, here comes just redemption, grace. It's grace. It's like you're free to go and here's your payment back. We'll take care of it. And then I felt a lot better then about wearing my seatbelt on top of it. of my shoulder. Yeah.

So there you go. So Grace wins. Yeah, Grace won. Well, our next podcast, we're going to have a guy that wrote a book on Grace, and this would have been a great, you're exactly right, this would have been a great story in his book. They weren't going to let me off. That's just because it's over.

Had I not. You lost and you won. Humble myself. Yeah. If I wouldn't, if I wouldn't have paid that we were going to court and then I was going to have to miss my duck hunting trip, I'm not, that sacrifice. cost is too great. Yeah.

On that. Some judge was going to have to make the, he was going to be in the court. And if you, here's the thing, Jay, the money wasn't that big of a deal the whole time to you. But if you had gone to court and lost, you would have had to pay court calls. So that would have turned into $250 plus. Once you go into court, if you lose, you have to pay the court costs. In other words, you got to pay for everybody's time that's in that courtroom. So you stood to lose more.

By the way, if you're just in for. the ride, but you're not, you have a driver and you're just sitting on his right-hand side. Are you asking for a friend? With their sun belt, they have their belt on. I reach over and I get it and I put it on. Yeah, you're supposed to wear it. Yeah. So.

That's asking for a friend. No, I'm just saying, I mean, would they get you, get me if I was riding on a they would? Maybe. They could. Legally, you're supposed to have one on. in the front seat. It's still not a long in the back seat.

Their goal is to protect the driver. I would think it would go beyond and protect the passenger also. Well, I've got an idea. Read the owner's name. You know, I may actually, if I can find my, take a, you've challenged me to take a ganderer. Wasn't me. I mean, you know, you got these guys. They've heard all this before.

Right. And that's what struck me. And it was a pretty... It was a pretty good idea. In Louisiana, all drivers and passengers must wear a seatbelt or be properly restrained in a child safety seat regardless of their seating position. Does that include the back seat too? We're making the world a safer place, one seat belt. So you, yeah, you are not properly restrained according to your own owner's manual.

That's where they got me. That's where they got you. So, but even though my counselor, who, he's like, wins a win, he doesn't care how we won. Yeah. He was like, we would have won. No, but I like your spiritual application that you lost, but you win because you receive mercy and grace. So it didn't they end up, I won, they lost.

It didn't end like that. It ended. It ended with a... I thought pretty, pretty amazing. Well, and I appreciate your being open days to his arguments and listening to him. That was good. That was... I was impressed with the guy.

I thought it was reasoning. enough, you don't want to have this fella up battling against you. Yeah. I mean, he was very prepared. I mean, I thought I was prepared. Yeah. No. I mean, I just got.

Because this was the only time you've ever done this, but he's done this a couple of times. And I couldn't blame my defense counselor because I didn't hire him. He was just sitting there watching. And he just showed up. And then when he talked, he made it so intense. that I was embarrassed, you know. I was like, I'm not with that guy. Wait a minute.

That's not what I'm saying. Don't speak for me. He broke out in rudeness. But I think that was a play by him because they battle each other all the time. Yeah, and that's what they're used to that. It wasn't anything personal, but he was just like, no, we're fighting this. Yeah. It was so funny to me.

We weren't laughing because I was intense and it wasn't funny in the moment. But I looked back on it. It's very funny to me. He kept whispering in my ear, but in a volume where he heard it. When a guy was like, you're going to lose, he's like, no, you're not. That's inadmissible. He can't prove that. Smoking mirrors.

I mean, it was just little. And I mean, I was like. He was saying it for his benefit, but it was like, I'm telling my client. I was whispering in my ear like at the voice I'm talking now. Like, no you won't. Welcome to the rules of America. Oh, man. Yeah.

But there was a beauty in that somewhere in America where you have people represent you. you have the right to representation, and they're trying to enforce the law. And, I mean, you saw it work out. And they came out with a way that they thought was better to get their message out. There's a lot of, including in the book of Ephesians, there's a lot of verses about obeying the law. Oh, yeah. And we should always try to. I mean, law is typically good.

I mean, the prisons are full. Yeah. Yeah, every direction. Right. Well, you have to have. It'd have been better off if he had been taught as a young person all the way up, you obey the law. Yeah.

Well, if Jay said to go in there, he went in with confidence. None of you all. Because you're a lawkeeper by nature. I mean, you tried to. None of you all ever ended up in court except on this little caper. Well, and he didn't argue my record, nor did he argue for the law officer, because he watched the footage. And I was, I was like, if you're going to defend that.

that, I probably would have kept going, but he didn't. He said he could have done a better job. Which was honest on his part. Well, right. He was like, he could have done, it was not clear. And so, because I was thinking, if you won't give me that, you know, I just didn't, didn't, didn't, I wasn't clear what he was saying. I never heard that. And then when I looked up the statute, didn't say that.

So, moving on. All right. So we're wrapping up Ephesians. Yeah, let's just kind of tie a bow on it. We got a couple of segments left here in this podcast. We got a guest coming next time. I thought we'd just kind of do a little bit of wrap on it. We finished the text the last time that we were together.

And we were talking about prayer. I felt like when we finished, we could have probably done a whole other podcast just on that. And maybe we will someday, just about the nature of prayer. Because it was interesting. I think it came out, but I've thought more about it since we recorded last time.

And, you know, there is something uniquely special. about that communion time with the Father, son, and spirit in prayer. And sometimes that includes other people, too. We had some, last time we recorded, we had some guest here who she's battling cancer. And so, Dad, you prayed after we quit recording. And there was something,

there's something powerful about that, about that for them and for us and for the Almighty. And I think back to that Romans 8 passage where the Holy Spirit basically, it says, as Paul said, he interprets for us into divine language as we're human beings. So there is something, you're talking about a weapon that we don't think about, you know, as being a weapon, but it really is because it's invoking the communion of the deity into everything that's going on in our lives. And so the more you do that and have that ongoing conversation, the better it is. And even when you get together with people, you feel that power of it.

You know, when someone prays over somebody, it's a very powerful thing. Well, I've been studying ahead in Colossians, but even in Ephesians when we talked about the different relationships. And you see this phrase come up a lot in Ephesians, and it's a lot in Colossians also, this doing God's will. Find out what pleases the Lord. Do you remember Ephesians 5 in verse, I think it's 10, 9 and 10? Yeah, 5, 10 says, and find out what pleases the Lord. and then in six verse

six where it's like and when he was going with the servants angle you know and we talked about that but it's like we serve we're like servants of Christ doing the will of God from your heart and when you combine that with knowing

Christ better that was his prayer it made me realize you know when you look at your relationships I mean if you asked me about my wife, I know my wife better than anyone else on this planet. I mean, even her parents. We've actually been together longer than she was with her parents. And so when you think about that, you find out what she like. I know what she likes and, you know, what she doesn't like, but I mean, I can give you detail after detail, because that's what a loving relationship is. is. And part of a healthy marriage is you do things sacrificial because you know it pleases the other

person. And so when I applied that to God and getting to know Jesus better, that's what really stood out to me. It's like in any loving relationship, knowing someone better and wanting to please them and him, and I mean God in his complex nature of what you said, you know, we have a spirit, he gets pleasure from us surrendering to him. And it's kind of a different take than what most people view as God is like he's up there with a gavel waiting for you to mess up. No, you're especially going to say this in Colossian. It gives him pleasure to extend us grace because of our relationship that we have.

Good point. Yeah, it's just very profound to me how personal. this got when you study the whole book and you're looking at the big picture Jesus at the right hand of God and as we surrender and humble ourselves kind of like what I did on the ticket all of a sudden it provides clarity and and just thankfulness that okay they're they're they're wanting to be open-minded about this thing you know even in this case was an accidental mistake but it did make me Look back also at the old law.

Can you imagine if that was still the system? Yeah. I mean, read the book of Leviticus. If that's where it would have stayed, can you imagine? The difference is that my son said this to me just this week. He said, man, it seems like God of the Old Testament is a different God. I said, no, not at all. But he was reading through that old law.

I said, you got to remember what Jesus said in Mark, whenever he had to reinterpret the law. for the Pharisees when they were talking about marriage and divorced. And they said, well, Moses allowed us in the law, basically allowed us to divorce our spouse, our wife, just by giving a certificate of a divorce. And Jesus said something so profound there. He said, actually, you missed the point of the law there. That was actually a concession that God gave you because of your hard hearts. It was never the intent of the law.

And so I think when you understand, like, what does that? they do with the law is that they it was all external keeping of the law but it didn't bear fruit so when jesus and mark 11 he rolls up on that fig tree and he which and he curses it and he says because it had the appearance of life because it had the leaves on it but it didn't have any fruit so may you never bear fruit again when that's a there's a whole lot to that but when we get to ephesian 6 i think that helps us understand what Paul means when he says praying in verse 18 at all times in the spirit. To pray in the spirit is different than just saying a ritualistic prayer. It's more than just, I'm going to give the appearance of a prayer and I'm doing the ritual of the

prayer. I'm paying the homage, doing the thing, you know, whatever it is. It's more than that. What praying in the spirit is, to your point, Jace, is connecting with the person of God. And it's it's connecting with the Holy Spirit and and having the Holy Spirit, allowing the Holy Spirit to shape our thoughts. It's the second Corinthians chapter, our first Corinthians chapter 2 is we have the mind of Christ now through the spirit. So his thoughts become our thoughts. His will becomes our will. His desire becomes our desire. So to pray in the spirit is it really is to look

inward and to say, give me the fruit of the spirit. Thinking about that true, that. That that tree that didn't produce any fruit in Mark 11? No, that's not the tree that Christ gives us. Christ gives us a tree that actually produces fruit, and it is the fruit of the spirit. And that happens primarily through our interaction with the Holy Spirit and prayer and with all prayer and supplication. It's conversation.

And just the conversation is what ultimately solved the issue. Think about all the people that break the law and then don't deal with it. and then they're on the run from the conversation that can fix the situation. So it's the same thing in any relationship. It's the same thing. When people have distance, I thought about when you were describing the Old Testament, Zach, I thought about David, you know,

and he went through that, you know, a couple of year period where he was on the run from God. He broke every law that was there, laws that should have, he should have been killed over by the statute. And yet, what did he do in Psalm 51? He had a conversation with God to say, you know what, I have sin, I was wrong, there are consequences, I realize that, but all I can do is ask for your mercy.

Well, he did that in that old system. So it shows you right there that there was a pathway to forgiveness even way back then. I had a thought, you know, because what I was trying to tell my defense lawyer, when he would say like, this is inadmissible, you know, because he was just trying to win and this is what he does. He's defending the person and by any means. Right. This is, hey, if it's inadmissible, it's inadmissible. But I was like, I don't, I'm not trying to win. I'm just trying to provide some clarity on this because it's too confusing. And so I was, I kind of agreed with the guy that I, not kind of, I agreed.

I should have read my owner's manual. I was shocked that that was in there. Yeah. And, uh, and even the part about, you know, the studies, I mean, maybe there's something to it. I had, I hadn't found it. I had a couple of listeners that they didn't send me the, actual study, but they said, I've read studies that said, you know, so there were something. But even that, when the guy said, I said, well, I looked it up and couldn't find it.

And he said, I found that in 10 minutes. And, of course, my defense guy was like, 10 minutes is an eternity on the internet, you know, which he was right. You know, I was like, if it took you 10 minutes to find that searching. We're busy, sir. So, but it made me think of this passage, and it actually goes right into what we've been talking about in 1 Timothy 2 in verse 1 it says i urge you first of all that request prayers intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone for kings and all those in authority i mean he was talking

about earthly kings and authorities as well that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness and i actually think we had a peaceful resolution here. This is good, and this goes in with what we're talking about, and pleases God, our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. And this next verse is what I wanted to get to, because really, I've always viewed Jesus as the ultimate lawyer, and he is. He's our lawyer between God and man, because of this verse, 1 Timothy, 2, 5, for there is one God and one medium. between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men,

the testimony given in its proper time. You combine that with, remember 1 John 2, 1 and 2 when it says, if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense, Jesus Christ, the righteous one, he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not only for ours, but also for the sins of the whole world. But I just thought it's interesting that it says this, you being, you know, praying and providing, having a thankful heart and providing intercession, even for those with authority, it pleases God. Because he wants us to live peaceful and quiet lives. Yeah, I had a sermon that I preached years ago, or class I taught, I can't remember, but where basically I had Jesus in the position of everybody in an American modern courtroom situation. You know, he's the defense attorney.

He's also the prosecutor of the case because he's perfect. He's the judge because ultimately he makes the decision. If Jesus. He's even us because he represents us in the witness box. Jesus had appeared during the talk that would slick there. Even when they. He took him back to your old name. He had their argument.

He had had Jesus there. Would it have him there? Well, he did have him there. So I guess. Based on that text, You just read? I mean, I was conscious. And I'd rather Jesus be on my side.

I was conscious of how I was conducting myself. But I had a weird partnership here. That you didn't really ask. It wasn't so much about winning to me as it was about really finding the truth. And how can we make the world a better place where we don't have this. Well, and I told you this before. With seat belts would be a healthier. I think I remember.

agrees with that but but it I got a lot of people saying yeah he just needs to pay the fine but I was respected New Jersey because in our system in the American system of justice jays exercised all of his rights that he has an American citizen to do what he did and and at the end of the day he made it right with the state what you have to do I mean the the old deal about just running out on it and having a bunch of stuff it's going to come back and bite you they unveiled to the fact that they weren't after the money. They were actually wanting people who... Well, that was the most impressive thing to me.

That's what shocked me. Yeah. Because I think they thought, okay. We're after the money and no matter what. Well, I think they were concerned that they would come across as just because I'm famous that they let me off. That was not an option. So they made that clear.

I mean, they knew who I was and didn't care, which is fine. I didn't think. That wasn't why I was... Which should be that way. Oh, I was supportive of that. And like I said, we've said on long, it's not even about the money with you, Jay. So I've seen you give a $100 bill to a kid, you know, clean your golf clubs. Oh, yeah.

You wanted to bless him. Exactly. It wasn't even the dollar amount. It was what was there. Yeah, I really was personally convicted by... I just felt like if I'm going to get a ticket based on something that's deceitful, I'm going to fight that, you know, if you're, and that prosecutor actually agreed with me. He's like, he should have done a better job of saying what the problem with this is. Right. Because it looked bad for him

to quote a statute and say that's what it says. And that was back to my point about how conversations provide clarity and clarity brings things to resolution. I think that's the exact same thing. But I'm not, I want to say this, I'm not throwing him under the bus, because the way the system works, and he provided some clarity on this. You know, they're out there. He couldn't see the seatbelt, which was frustrating. So it's like I either didn't have it on or I was wearing it improperly. So I was going to get a ticket no matter what was said.

And you see what I'm getting at? But from the prosecutor's point of view, he's like, okay, he could have done a better job. But that's over. You admitted it. The facts are the facts. You're going down. Right. So it's like that's, you can make that case.

Which, by the way, is what law does. That's the nature of law. Exactly. Well, a good question for you, for the audience is, are you sad or are you glad that this conversation is over? Or man. Our man. You could be one of the three. All right.

So we got a couple of minutes left. I was flying 36,000 feet. And this was my postscript on Ephesians. So I want to give this so we can officially tie the bow on it because our next time we get into a study. We got a guest on the next podcast, but we'll be in Colossians. So here's the thing, Ephesians 117, that we would get to know Jesus better. I feel like, just after we studied the book, that's the best line that is the theme. And it wouldn't have been mine going into the study once we were through. So that's my key thought. So here was,

Ephesians 1, 3 through 14, the plan, the price, and the pledge, I know it's alliteration, but that is Jesus and the Holy Spirit. For our redemption, transformation, glorification, it's Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Those first few verses, if you miss that, you miss everything. Ephesians 115 through 2.10 was then the proceeds of that for us. What does that mean to us when we know Jesus and the Holy Spirit? We have intercession with the Godhead itself. We have power that comes from him.

And then we have grace, which we'll talk about on the next podcast. Ephesians 2, 11 through 22 is the peace that comes about. out because of that, and that's that connection and unity that we were just talking about, and he talked about Jew and Gentile, but in the text, we talked about that with any divided parties. Yeah. It can be brought to. All humans can come together.

They can come together. Ephesians 3-1 through 21 are then the proceeds that happen as a result of that piece, and that was new revelation, new purpose, new confidence, new intercession, all those things were in that text. Then here's the thing in the last three chapters. He talked about unity. As a result of that, he talked about lifestyle that we got into, what that looks like. He talked about submission, and then he had three illustrations, marriage, family, and then our work situation, whatever that is.

And I would say relationships. Any relationships. And then six, 10 through 20 was the battle that's there, because there is a battle ongoing. And then we looked at our enemy, our armor, and then ultimately prayer, which is the ultimate weapon. So that's my kind of wrap on the book. And I would say it's noteworthy. I've heard this many times, but it's true. All that weaponry that God provides that, in essence, is Jesus, you being in Jesus.

None of them were designed for your backside. This is not, we move, we stand and we move forward. Great point. Declaring the gospel. Which means we're not running away. We're not running away. So being in Christ is synonymous. with being used by God to make his presence known.

And you can't do that by putting a bowl over a light or hiding out. I mean, and so I think that's a profound way for us to realize that. That's great. All right, well, that's it. We're out of time. I would say it's the last you'll ever hear about Jason's case, but knowing us, I'm sure it's going to pop up somewhere in the future, but it has been settled. So thank you, Unashamed Nation,

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