Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 975 | Korie Drops a New Movie Hint & Jase Texts Sadie at the Wrong Number for YEARS

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

Jase realizes that he’s been texting a stranger for years thinking it’s Sadie, and Korie drops a hint about a “big” new movie that she’s working on, as well as her brand-new podcast, "LO Mama" with Beth Redman. Phil wishes for a family directory since his branch of the family tree has grown so much. The guys and Korie marvel at the legacy of strong, godly women in their lives and how they’ve influenced generations. In this episode: 1 Timothy 3, verses 1-9; 2 Timothy 2, verse 8 Listen to episodes of Korie's LO Mama Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lo-mama-podcast/id1703523665 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. And I have to say today we have one of my favorite people. Corey Robertson, Willie's wife, is on the podcast today. And so we've been talking before she came on about, because I do not remember Corey being on the podcast. Jace did remember, which is shocking, Corey, that Jase did remember something that I wouldn't. And you said because you didn't have a memorable performance, but you and I think now I wasn't on that podcast, which I hadn't missed many,

but I may not have been there. I remember it. I saved the day. Al, but I saved the day because Corey has the same kind of, I guess, reputation that my wife has, because when people see me and Willie

and they see our wives, they're like, yep, there's got to be a God. It's a miracle. It's one of the, it's one of the, I'm going to take that as a compliment too.

Like Al said I was one of his favorite people, which I was wondering if you were going to tell the fact that you didn't even remember me being on before when you just go in as I'm one of your favorite people that you forgot. No, you are one of my favorite. Thank you, Al. Thank you. But yeah, I actually can't remember if you were there when I was here. So maybe there's a reason you forgot me. We're going to look that up because I want to know if I – because very seldom do I ever remember something that Al does not. He's the memory bank of the family.

Well, Maddie just texted me and said, sorry, Al, but you were there. Oh, Al. Bad day for Al. Oh, man. We can both blame it on our age. It must be. I cannot believe I can't remember that. Were you all with Willie or just you?

Just me. No, it was just her. Al, I mean, I remember this. What did we talk about? That's the other question. I don't know. Did we talk about the movie, probably? Probably the blind.

Was it out then? If it's 300 podcasts ago. I wouldn't think so. But who knows? I don't know. I've done a lot of talking since then. I'll give you that. Well, so, Corey, there are reasons why that you're one of my favorite people.

One is because you also are the oldest in your family. And there is something about the oldest child that has a responsibility that's different from the other. So you and I have always had that in common. And you are very kind. In fact, your book was we were, wasn't it strong and kind? Yeah. your book. And I can't think of two words that fit you better because you're one of the kindest people I've known. You're married to Willie, which would make you put you in saint territory

just being married to Willie. And so, you know, I mean, you're an amazing person. Oh, thank you. It's very, very hard. Well, you're one of my favorite people too. So I was a baby. I was 17 years old when Willie and I were dating and engaged. So I was and Willie was living with you and Lisa at the time. And so I basically grew up with you, you know? You did. Yeah. What a weird set of surgery.

I'd love to been there when Willie is like, maybe I could just move in with you. And you're like, well, he's my brother. How am I going to? All right, come on. So another funny story we told in the last podcast, just so you're up to date, is I went to the OCS thing where you were. Yeah. I saw you from a distance.

And we, well, we talked a little bit. and Saul Sadie. So Saul comes up to me because I had my name tag on my hip. I've known Saul for 15, 20 years. He didn't see my name tag, and he went, Willie! What?

And so I'm sure he saw the tag didn't work. That's hilarious. I'm sure he saw you also, and he was probably wondering why we weren't together at the meeting. That's hilarious. Well, I always tell because remember when we first shot Doug Dynasty, We did like the promo stuff for Duck Dynasty.

I'll never forget this because they put me beside Jace in the picture. And I was like, well, I actually belong to him. I'll go with Willie. And they're like, oh, they all have beards. They all look the same. No one knows the difference anyway. And I was like, okay, well, at some point, like, you need to kind of like know who goes with who, but yeah.

I thought the same thing and I got the same response. At that point, I wasn't brave enough to talk to the position. Yeah, at that point, we didn't know what we were doing. We were like. And they're like, oh, nobody don't know the difference. But yeah, they do. Well, except for Saul Graves, he still doesn't know the difference. He still called you Willie.

So maybe they were right about that. Yeah, I thought it was funny. Corey, so Jace didn't correct him because he didn't want to be awkward. So he just let it go. I just let it go. I started too and then I thought, this is awkward. That is hilarious. I hope you were nice.

At least you represented Willie well. I was like, yeah, I'm going around, shooting some deer, you know, just doing things. Yeah, good to see you again. Okay. Have you read my new book, Gospeler? You know, that's what I should have said. That's awesome. All right.

So, Corey, that's one of the questions that I have for. We have a lot of stuff, want to know what's going on in your world. It's so weird because we all live. We call it the little compound and the big compound. So we're in my little compound is my kids and my grandkids. But we're part of the bigger compound because you and Willie and, and then Sadie's there and your other kids are nearby as well. And then Jay's, of course, and Jeff.

So this is kind of the way we live life. But the further you get apart in the compound, the less we get to see each other. And so this is the first time I actually seen you and talked to in quite a while, even though we literally could walk to each other's house because we just have a lot going on. Yeah. I mean, I walk past your house every day with the grandkids or ride the buggy pass, but y'all are traveling or we're traveling. I actually ran to Lisa in the airport the other day, and it was fun because we got to catch up for a long time.

She said, I saw Willie and Corey, and I had the best visit in the airport we were laughing about. It was like, we're just meeting each other in the airport now. This is what happened. But I want to ask you about what being married to Willie and what does that entail in terms of his crazy life? Because he's like doing a lot of speaking and stuff like that as well. I think he spent one week in his home this year. It's true. The rest of the time, that's true.

He came through his house once. And four or five days, and after that, true, gone again. And he's always gone when the really exciting things happen, like awesome show up in our house and all that, which I'll have to tell you all that story later. I was a part of that story, and I have not shared that. People drive by and shoot, shoot your house, don't it? Well, that has been a few years ago. Maybe that won't happen again. Well, speaking of, Al started this out talking about the compound.

I'm just now, like, embracing the word compound because I'm, I've been rejecting it because I'm like, does that sound like David Koresh, the compound? It sounds a little cultish. So I was like trying to think of another name. Like, what should we call it besides a compound? But like everybody, that's really the question we get asked a lot now. Like, don't you all live like on a family compound and what's that like? Because people want to know about it because it's interesting.

And we really love it. I love that. I mean, we could just walk across the street and see y'all whenever we want to. Yeah. I hadn't been calling it a compound. This is the first I've heard. of it, but I guess I just missed the memo on that. But I guess that's kind of what is.

In my text chain, it says the compound, it's the little compound and the big compounds. That's what we, it's in my phone that way. I need a list that I can just flip a page and look at the 40 or 50. Connected to you. There's a relatively large amount of people. We need to get that. One of those old, like, church directories. Who was that girls out there?

What is he telling me? Yeah. Yeah, we need a family directory with a family director. I'm going to get on that. The church directory we used to do, you know, we could have like a little photo shoot. Well, Corey, when we did Willie's roast, by the way, which we talked about recently on the podcast, when we did that roast, the family directories, the old church directories, were a gold mine for my roast because all the different hairdos that Willie had through the years

because he has had some hairdos over y'all's. I think one of them he said it was like when he had just come out of prison or something like that. Yeah. Oh, there was a prison look. They were the frosty tips. They were, I mean, he had the whole, you know, whatever was trendy in the day. He had it. I think the problem we have is, you know, when we did the duck show and it came out,

well, nobody anticipated that it would never stop running. And so people now are for the first time watching it. Yeah. And because kids come up and it's very kid-friendly. so they watch it. And so they think we haven't aged until they see us. They're like, what happened? It's been a few years here, you know.

So they're all like, well, I don't understand why y'all just don't do another show. It's like because it would be like Duck Dynasty, the brigade or the army. You know, there's so many people now. We're having trouble keeping up. I'll share another embarrassing moment. When I saw Sadie the other night, it hit me that I've been texting her for about three years and she's never responded. But I didn't, that was the realization because I had sent her. I knew she was speaking somewhere.

So I sent her a little text. And when I got to scrolling back, I was like, she's never responding to me. Do I have the wrong number here? And so when I saw her, I was like, of course, it was awkward for me. to say, I've been texting me. You've never responded to me. And you've never responded. I didn't want to say it like that. So I was kind of him hauling around. She is a big deal, Jace. I was like, look, I get it. You're, you're busy. But, and she's looking at me. I was like, I've been sending you some texts and I never got a response. I was just wanting to break that ice, you know. And she's like, I haven't gotten

a text from you. I was like, somebody out there thinks I'm just piling it on. I'm very proud of you. I'm praying for you today. There's a little lesson. Then she was like, well, send them to me now. And I'm like, well, now I feel embarrassed. She told me about that. She was like, I want Jason sent him to me.

That's so nice that he's been sending me. It'll just be like all this encouragement at once. At one time, overload. She's doing the work of the Lord sometimes. Yeah, but it was kind of embarrassing in that moment because I thought, how does this happen? And why did it take me three years to realize I'm texting to no one I know? That's hilarious.

Well, speaking of texts and also of like everybody changing. So Willie sends this yesterday to our family group text because he flies out. He says, Flight attendant. Are you Willie? Me? Yes. Flight attendant. Wow.

I didn't recognize you. You used to be fat. That's the kind of comments he gets. Thank you. Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, and it is, it is strange how you get recognized in the strangest places. So, Corey, we were, Lisa and I were stuck in the 100-year storm in North Carolina a couple of weeks ago. We were visiting the dashers up there on our way to an event.

And so we go and we're trying to figure out a way to get out of there. We get to the Tennessee line trying to go north to get to go east. and this little guy is waiting there and they've got the road blocked and he's it's like he worked for the DOT you know and he's a little you know small guy and he's telling us you know you can't go sorry you can't go back the way you came and then he looks at me he says did you used to build that dynasty now we're in the middle this crisis we're driving we're like you're our nerves or fraseled and i was like yeah i did i said that's pretty most people don't recognize me he said i knew when you started talking. It was either Al or Willie. And that's what he said. This is from my voice.

Yeah. And so then he tells us some more. And I was kind of glad then because he was a fan. So he's telling me kind of stuff. He probably wasn't telling anybody else. And then finally he said, I know this is kind of awkward, but can you wait here and let me go into my truck and get my camera? I would love to get a pick. That's hilarious. That's so funny. I mean, I was laughing because I was like, you know this show had an impact with the middle of a disaster. This young man was like, I got to get a pick because I met one of the debt biased people. That's great. That's awesome.

Well, yeah, you and Willie do kind of look more alike the older y'all are getting, I feel like, the beards and everything. So sometimes, yeah, I can see how people would be like. Is it out of Willie or Jay or Willie or whatever? Our voices are the most alike as well. So we sound the most alike. So tell us a little bit about what's been going on in your world because I know you got a new podcast. Tell us about that and just grandkids Or what's going on in the life of Corey?

Yeah, so I just launched a podcast called L-O-Mama. It's kind of under Sadie's Live Original branding of L-O. And so I'd been thinking about doing a podcast for moms because I get so many people coming up to me. And, you know, I'm like, are you Sadie's mom or whatever? Are you your kid's mom? And, you know, on Duck Dynasty, I'm the mom. And so, so yeah, people ask me,

about just motherhood and what's it like and what's it like raising kids and what's it like now that you have adult children and bringing, you know, in-laws into the family and grandkids and all that. So I decided to do a podcast and I did it with my friend Beth Redmond. And yeah, we just talk about all things, mom, like what it's like raising kids. And it's kind of, you know, tricky to come in and do a podcast where you're talking about being a mom because obviously not the perfect mom and our kids start perfect or anything. So you have to definitely the first episode we just kind of like told all our parenting fails just to be like, all right, look, we're not coming in here like experts. We're just coming in here telling you some things that we've learned along the way, some things that

maybe have helped our family and hopefully it'll help yours. I will say, I think that like our family was very hospitable. My parents always had people living with them. Y'all were like that. I remember coming to your house in fifth grade, you had a big old fish fry and there were people from the church and people living with you that needed a place to stay and out thinking about that. You know, when we talked about the beginning where Willie was living with you during that time, he wasn't the only one living with you. You had other guys living there. Three or four hours guys.

Just had open homes like that. And, you know, if people needed a place or place to stay, come on in. There was about three of them one time. They come by. I don't know where they came from, but I said, just stay here. And we'll talk about Jesus, you know, and all that. They stayed about three days. with us, visited with us,

staying there. And they find them the guilty of murder. They left. And within a few days, they found that they were guilty. They killed somebody. I actually remember that story. I mean, it's a rough world out there.

Yeah. Well, you know, you provide meals and more people to Jesus. And they leave, and then they murder people. And you're like, whoa. Yeah. They should have listened. Clare closely to the gospel. He got Paul.

The Paul was a murderer. He was. So we got an example of that in the word. Well, Ann, you've been involved in the prison ministry here lately. So you were with that team that where did you all go? Yeah, so we went to St. Quentin first. Si went with us, which that was incredible. You know, I've never seen Cy nervous.

He was actually kind of nervous to go into the prison. I think, you know, and I guess the first time you ever, you go into a prison, it's a little nervous. First time I went in, it was nerve race. These are people for life in prison. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, that came about. We got invited by a friend of ours named Bob Gough, who wrote a book called Love Does, and he really lives it.

Like you said, he's like, what the Bible says, he's like, I'm going to love people like that, I'm going to do it. So we started going to prison, this prison in St. Quentin, which is California's, like, big state prison where they actually don't have death road there anymore. They just moved them this year, but they were there when we went the first time. And so, yeah, Bob invited us to go out, go to the prison. And Willie and I went out.

And it just, it blew my mind. I think it was one of those experiences that, like, changed me in a way that I saw incarcerated people. Because the warden there. They're under lock and key. I mentioned it when I visited before you're talking about, I said, you can be under lock and key, but you can still be free. That's right. A good line. I mean, you think about it.

Human beings. they got caught, they were murderers and all that. But Jesus, they can come out of that. Well, I mean, the whole purpose of prison initially... They will be buried right there next to a long line of prison markers. Yeah. The whole intent was to perhaps rehabilitate, you know, people along with justice and, you know, punishment for crimes. Yeah.

But if you were going to rehabilitate somebody... You all have been commended. Or what y'all are doing that. Yeah, how did it change? How did you say, Corey, how did it change you? Yeah, I think so one part of it, the warden there, he said this, he said this thing, he said, we think of it like this. Today's prisoner is Samara's neighbor.

Like, a lot of these guys are going to get out. Most of them will get out someday. And so, like, we should really care about what's happening in here and the systems that are the rehabilitation, the programs that are happening. And essentially, for us, that they meet Jesus, so that when they come out, they're different, they're changed. And so, yeah, so we, we went and I remember just, like, sitting around this group with these men and most of them were murders. Most of them were in for murder. And, you know, just hearing their stories and hearing their fears of, like, what if I get out?

And then, you know, how do I, like, not go back to my old ways or will my family still accept me? And just kind of, like, you know, it's when you sit face to face with somebody and talk to them, it just gives you a different compassion and a different perspective. And, you know, So one of the guys there, his name was Brandon. He was in prison at the time for murder as well. And he asked me when we were there. He said, will you just meet my wife? Like, she's struggling.

She's a single mom trying to raise kids while I'm in prison. And would you mind talking to her? So I said, yeah, I'll do that. So he gave me her number. And I called her and just, we just started talking like once. But that was early 2020, but right before everything shut down. And I didn't realize that, of course, no one knew. what was about to happen.

And so right after that, for 16 months, the prison was on lockdown. So she didn't get to see him. He didn't get to see her. It was just, you know, it went from a situation that's difficult. You're in prison to even worse because COVID happens and, you know, everything's shut down. And so during that time, I just, you know, called her about once a month and just try to encourage her and all that. And since then, he's come out of prison and now they have another baby.

And their story's amazing. He met Jesus in prison and that story. He needs to come on your podcast someday to tell all that. But while he was in there, you know, he met Jesus and just was like, I want to help. But when I get out, I want to come back and help these guys. And so we've just maintained a friendship. And I connected him with a group called God Behind Bars that goes into prisons and does ministry and just does. Sadie had done something with them.

She had gone to a women's prison with them in Florida and got to baptize women. And it was just amazing. So it was like, oh, Brandon, you should meet these. guys and, you know, see if y'all could come up with something. And if you do, we'll come. Like, we'll be a part of it. Willie and I want to do it. So they plan one and St. Quentin. That's good work. Y'all are doing. Well, thank you. Thank you. Biblical too. I read that earlier. Yeah, exactly. Jesus even mentions it, you know, about prisons. I mean, when he's talking about taking care of people,

I want to ask you that since you've been to two, I guess the most famous prison in California and also in Louisiana, which are two well-known prisons, how different were they in terms of just the prisons themselves? And were they similar? Were they very different? Or what was your take on that? Because I've only been to Angola. I've never been to the others.

Yeah, they were really different, I think, but also our experience there. So San Quentin, we're going in with Brandon, who was there. And of course, knows everybody. And I've been there a couple of times now. They actually have, they're the only prison that has their. their own production company of incarcerated men. And they have a full, like, news program. They have, they put out a newspaper.

They have podcasts and all that. And the cool thing about all that that they do, those programs that they have, is they have a zero percent recidivism. I cannot say that word, right where people come back, like, once they get out, because they have actually learned a skill and become, you know, done something, have purpose. They don't go back. So that's really incredible. So that's something that happened in San Quentin.

Angola, similarly, they have so many incredible programs that they do. That was really neat to see. But in San Quentin, we were on the yard, which is like, you know, there's basketball and they work out and all that. So we set up a stage right there on the yard and we served hot dogs. Like churches came in and grilled hot dogs for the guys. They had never done that before. So we had like a whole barbecue and had hot hot.

dogs and we put the stage and we actually that's where we had messages and led worship and then we did at 86 i think guys got baptized was there any was there any any fear that hit you or y'all just went forth we just a human being yeah that's right yeah we just went in and um gospel's of the world yeah yeah and in gola we did it at the rodeo which i had never been there before and so it was in the where the rodeo arena was and um Lauren Daigle came and She's been there quite a bit. She really does a lot there. But yeah, I mean, like you said, it's directly from Jesus where he talks about, you know, in the end days when God's going to separate the sheep from the goats.

He mentions I was in prison and you visited me. And so, yeah, it's a direct. What's actually funny about that story is I was talking to Willie when he was making that transaction. We were talking about something. I was on the phone with him. He's like, hang on. He's like, I'm fixed to buy three or four thousand hot dogs. And I said, you're fixing to buy three, because I was thinking, what are you going to put them in your freezer?

What? Are you going back to the hot dog? The man loves hot dog. And I said, how are you going to eat three or four thousand hot dogs? He's like, no, I'm at a prison. And he's like, I was like, we need to, he wanted to do something special, you know. And they're like, well, if you'll pay for it, we'll do it. Yeah.

And Willie's like, okay. And he's like, what they really want is hot dogs. And he's like, hot dogs. that's what they want. And Willie's like, they lined up. It was like, we're going to eat a hot dog. Well, Brandon was like, how do we get everybody out in the yard? Because we're like, we want to preach to as many people as possible.

We want to as many people as possible hear this message. And she's like, how do we get people out there at all the same time? They're like food. Okay. What do we do? Hot dogs. Hot dogs. They like, you know, they don't have hot dogs or have a full on grill, you know, hot dogs.

So it was fun. Yeah. We got to pass out hot dogs. Yeah, that turned into a funny conversation. But he was like, well, you know, you don't realize what you miss when you're in prison. You've been there a while when you're missing the old hot dog. Those hot dogs were good, though. There was a good big high one too.

Well, one of the things, Phil mentioned freedom. So one of the, just the night, I'll just never forget the night. So after baptisms, we had just a little bit more time. And so they just started, everyone was just worshiping. And people were dancing and singing and worshiping and raising their hands. And it was this experience of like true freedom. Like you're like, we're behind bars. We're in prison.

And a lot of these men, yeah, like you mentioned, won't get out. And a lot of them do have hope to get out. But there was, we really all did experience together true freedom under the name of Jesus. Yep, exactly. In prison. Yep. Yeah, I was reading in our study, Al, you know, because Paul, when he wrote the letter, letter to the Colossians if I can find this off the top of my head.

But, you know, because when you, I made a point on the last podcast, which I think is a good point. When you look at the Roman world and how powerful it was, and here's a guy chained up writing a letter to a bunch of, you know, a group of people who had all these differences in one little house church. And you're thinking this is so insignificant. They're writing about a Jewish carpenter from Nazareth who claimed to be God. And now we're reading this 2,000 years later as a powerful story. And it really shows you the power that is in Jesus. But I noticed something that Paul said in Timothy.

I wanted to read it since we kind of got on this prison idea. If I can find Second Timothy, I think it's Second Timothy, too. You might have to help me out. Where when Paul said, I'm in chains, but the war. word of God is not changed, not chained. In 2 Timothy 2 in verse 8 where it said, remember Jesus Christ raised from the dead, this is my gospel for which I'm suffering, even to the point of being chained like a criminal, but God's word is not chained. And I thought that was a very profound statement that even Paul being chained up,

Of course, it was for his faith in him having a relatively positive attitude about it and still sharing Jesus. But that was kind of his mantra. You can't chain up the Word of God, which I'm making the point that even these letters he wrote about the gospel seemed like from a worldly view. It's just something silly, not powerful. And the Bible became and is the greatest selling book of all time in this letter of this montage. group of people from all different backgrounds with no kind of power or status whatsoever became as famous as you can be when you're reading about them 2,000 years later, even when Phil was reading that earlier in the back of the Bible.

If you had told those people, look, people are going to read about you in your faith for thousands of years. They'd have said, oh, yeah, I'm not going to hold my breath over that. But it's such a moment of empathy, though, Jay's because you think about it, Like from our perspective, we look at Paul as a martyr like you described. I mean, because all these things happened to him and all he was going to do is preach. But from his perspective, he was a murderer, a terrorist. He had done all these bad things.

And so I'm just betting that Paul thought, you know, I'm getting exactly what I deserve for a life that was against God for so long. Even though he thought he was doing the right thing, he wound up realizing he was doing all the wrong things. So I think the humility of that is what Corey's talking about because that, you know, we all try to live life in such a way. We don't want to go to prison, right? I mean, I try to obey laws. You know, they're important.

I don't want to wind up in prison. But I'll go into prison. And obviously, William Corey just went into prison to share Jesus because there's no difference in any of us when it comes to our spiritual wall. We want to go to heaven and we want to live forever. Here's a little bit on people you should appoint to do this. work. Here's the trustworthy saying, if anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, part of the kingdom, he desires a noble task. The overseer must be above reproach.

The husband but one wife, temperate, self-control, respectable, hospitable. Here's what you have to have before you go into the world. Able to teach, not giving to much wine, not violent, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money, he must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceded and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with the outsiders, you just think of that what Paul said is demanded of a person who wants to do the work of the Lord in some rough places so that he won't fall into disgrace and until the devil's train.

Deacons are to be worthy of respect sincere, not indulging any much wine, not pursuing dishonest game. They must keep whole of the truths of the faith. You start reading that and you say, boy, I mean to the true. train people do that and be that before they go out there is wise. Yeah, especially with his past. And you notice when he said he must manage his family, because that's kind of the common theme of this. You just think about all the families that he had disrupted

by his murderous actions and all the pain and suffering. And then to have this kind of transformation and be right in that, and even everything we're involved in, like your podcast about, you know, how to be a good mom. Well, that's the most difficult job on the planet. I mean, when you think about it. You look at the four families.

There's one right there, Al, and then there's another Jace. And then there's Willie, your husband. Then there's Jeff. They're the youngest. But all of them do this work. And Jersey has a family. Jersey. Don't forget New Jersey. Yep.

Jersey. You know, when you think about, you know, what you're doing in prison, right? you're actually setting prisoners free that are in prison. I mean, because you can have individuals outside of prison that are still in prison from a spiritual aspect. You were there. Yeah. I mean, so, you know, I think to be able to do that, you're actually, you know, you're

able to set them free while they're in prison. You give them hope. I mean, because there may be individuals in there that are there for life, right? So when you think about it, you know, their time here on earth may the rest of their lives, they're going to remain in prison here on earth. But after the resurrection, they're set free. And in a sense, you're setting them free now by baptism in prison. So I think it's a great thing. And I think it's great to also look at it like, you know, every day people live in their life that are not behind bars are still in prison because they haven't accepted father. And they

really don't understand, you know, what's in store for them if they would just open their mind and be set free. So I think that's awesome. It's available for all of them. Yeah, that's why I read that verse about you can't chain the world. of God and people think, well, what does that mean? You know, because it's a little more complex than you read it, because we have the written word, but it points to the living word, which is Jesus, which is an actual being. And then when you factor in that we all have the spirit of God, you know, us understand

who Jesus is, that really goes down deep in our heart and develops that love for people. And that's why I'm glad you're doing this podcast about being a good mom. because, you know, when you were saying that, because we feel the same way about doing this podcast, we're not experts, we don't know all the answers, the Bible can be complicated. But that's a reflection of life. And, you know, I've had a new sense of how difficult it is to be parents just with this little one that we're kind of in the foster care syndrome with this situation and trying to help the mom. And, well, it's very difficult when you're helping a kid because you realize there's a breakdown of the family.

worldwide. And the reason even people watched our duck show is because it seemed to be a functional family amongst a lot of dysfunctional circumstances, which is what family is. And so I'm so glad you're doing that because it just makes you appreciate, one, how difficult it is. Two, it's hard to get, take kids and get them to mature because it's just a natural process. So, but through this process of being a, a new dad again in a certain way. You know, I go back to when I first did it, and I realized that I was so busy, I was trying to make a living because we didn't have any money.

And so mainly it was falling on Missy to, like, carry the load of day-to-day. But in this case... It's much more than just gathering up on one day of the week, sign Sunday, sing a few songs, can go to the house. It's just much deeper that and more involved. Oh, it is just a process. And where I was going with this is, you know, what Paul does, even in the letter to the

Colossians and other letters, he talks about becoming mature in Christ, which is a hard thing to wrap your head around. You're like, well, how do you, I mean, once you get in, you're in, but there's a maturity process that has to happen that's kind of like just being a natural human. You look out there and see all the outsiders and you want them to be the insiders. It's pretty tough. Exactly. So I read this, I read a few snippets from a book called The Road Less Traveled,

and it kind of makes that connection about maturity. And I found it fascinating because you don't really stop and think about it. But he had kind of the four stages of a human being, which is you have an infant, you have a child, you have an adolescent like teenager, and then you have an adult, which is what you're trying to do. But he then equated that with, that's how we are in Christ. And I wrote this down, because I knew we were going to get to this, because in Colossians 1, where it's talking about,

I want to present you totally mature in Christ. I think that's Colossians 1. It's at the end there when he says that. But I wrote this down because, and the reason I, when you brought that up about being a mom, You really see that as a kid. He was like, infants, they're completely consumers. That's it.

You get up. There's no interaction. There's no conversation. They're just like, give me, give me. And they let you know when they're crying, you go down through the list. Was it the diaper? Are they hungry? Are they tired?

But it's all consumers. And so when you think about that in Christ, it's kind of powerful when you think how we start off. But it's natural. Yeah. You just give me more. Give me more. It's like fire hose into the mouth. And then you move to a child and it's kind of all about certainty.

They want to be certain that they're secure. And they're in that stage of, you know, just make it simple for me. You love them. You don't tell me all about the details. You know, there's good and evil good wins. That's all I need to know. And I'm certain that if I stay with you, that's going to happen. Well, then when you move the adolescence, well, then it's like challenging.

and conflict. They're questioning everything. You're an idiot. You know, everything stinks. I don't even know if you know what you're talking about. But it's a natural thing to kind of challenge your system. And then when you get to the end, for adult, you should be able to contribute, which really, when you think about how that goes with our life in Christ, all of a sudden, you realize you're sacrificing. Because as a mom and dad, that's what you do. You sacrifice, you serve, yourself. where you're contributing to the needs of others, which then introduces love in its purest form. Great point, Jason. So I just, I was trying to tell you that so you're not overwhelmed with that because I was like,

we all kind of have to embrace that process and we all make mistakes and all these, the trouble and the test that we go through. It makes us mature and, you know, and lean on God's love. And then the more you go along, you're like, okay, I'm actually. looking at other people's interests instead of my own on a frequent basis, you know, which is what we all need to get to, you know. That's so good. I've never heard it put exactly like that.

I love that. Yeah, I was blown away when I heard it because I was like, man, why am I struggling with this? What is going on? I'm like, because this little, all he does is want to, you know, he's just a consumer. But you're building that relationship and all those tough times is bonding. Yeah. Everyone involved, including the mom who's trying to get her life.

straight and learn how to be a mom. You're just doing it together. And I think that's why Christ is so appealing. It gives us a point of reference of we're in this together. We're going to make mistakes. We're going to have trials. But at the end of the day, we have forgiveness. We have eternal life. We have each other. We have the presence of God. I mean, it just validates exactly what we're doing. You know, when you think about, you know, we were talking about women in relation to the gospel and preaching earlier today. Phil brought it up a few times. You look at any successful man out there. There is always a strong woman, God-fearing woman behind him that allows all that to be possible. So, I mean, you know, women have a very important role to play when it comes to, you know, preaching or teaching and, you know, teaching other women, you know, this is, this is the, the way you should really do it. You know, you go out there and you stand proud and you stand tall

and you speak what you believe in. And that's why I'm so excited about, you know, you're doing this podcast because I think it's really, I mean, if it's anything like what Sadie's doing, the crowds that Sadie attracts in her age group is just a phenomenal thing. So to have you now, the person who raised her and really got her into the gospel, it's going to be amazing to hear some of the topics that you guys are going to tackle on your podcast because I'm really excited to hear what that's going to be about. Amen. Thank you.

And Corey, one of the things that, you know, I was talking about you being the oldest, I mean, when I think about you, of course, Sadie, we've been talking about, but then your mom is one of the most amazing women I've ever had the opportunity to work with. And she's been a part of my world for, you know, the last 40 years, do a mission work. We went to Naba and did the, and then your grandmother who lives across the street. She's part of our compound, too. It's one of the strongest women, I know. She's in her 90s.

And, I mean, this woman, I still feel like I could do anything. Yeah. You know, she hadn't skipped a beat. So, I mean, you come from a long line of very strong, godly leader women. No doubt. And you carry it well. Thank you. Well, when you mentioned my grandmother, yeah, and serving.

So literally, I invited her to a birthday party at the night at our house. And she's like, immediately, what can I bring? Like, man, well, you don't have to bring anything. But she's still like, I'll make the homemade ice cream or I'll bake the cake or whatever, still serving and just showing us what that looks like to serve. Yeah, we're at the stage now. We're hitting the 80s, me and y'all's grandmother, Ms. Kay. The roughest thing that do is I'm the one who has to provide to feed her.

So I'll get in there. I said, I got it coming. Well, good for you, sir. What we haven't. I know. I've been very proud of you, Phil. You've been a servant helping mom. And Corey, you've been known the family has been such a great cook all of your life.

And so sarcasm. Willie had to take on that roll a long time ago. It's not when we're 80. He had to take on the cooking roll a long time ago. He actually, when he flew out yesterday, he was like, I left you some sausage in the fridge. Like, he takes care of me like that. And I love it because it's not my skill. I'm good at other things, but I'm not good at cooking.

But you're willing to laugh at it. She embraced it. Yeah. And, you know, we all have our strengths and weaknesses. That's right. It's definitely not best string. It's real funny. Well, I wanted to get your take because I know you have some new information that you tease me with about, you know, we've been having this big controversy on whether large panthers are roaming the woods to and fro across America.

So in our last couple minutes, speaking of being able to laugh at ourselves, because I'm on one side of the argument. and I think everyone else is on the other. Shocker. Shocker. Believers? Oh, they're all believers. Because you don't realize there's been another sighting in between the one. I mean, I saw an otter.

So I listened to the podcast and saw and heard the otter. And I did see the video and I was like, that I can see how that could look like a panther, the otter. I could see that. So, yeah, I listened that podcast and I said, I have some information. because I'm going to let Zach tell more of this because I'm not even sure how much we can tell,

but we are, we tried Live Air Production Company, we're working on a movie about Bigfoot. Oh, really? So that's big news. And so I'll let Zach tell. I don't know how much we can tell yet, but we went to Arkansas to, like, do some research on this film,

and they said, like, sure Si knows that we've seen Black Panthers in Arkansas as well. Oh, we have some more. Well, these are Bigfoot ciders as well. But so take that. Take that. I was going to ask, Sa, has he ever seen Bigfoot? That's the question. That would be a good question. The only time I thought I saw Bigfoot, there was a stage in Willie's life. And he got in front of a deer camera. And my first initial reaction is I found Bigfoot, and it turned out to be Willie going through a deer camera. But there was another sighting from, we call him Frodo, Phil nicknamed him Frodo. I actually don't.

know his actual Jordan. Jordan. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he works for y'all. Yeah. And we're good friends, but it's like his real name got lost. Yeah, got lost.

It's the song syndrome. I don't know if Saul listens to all this, but he claims, this was just recently, he claims that he saw a cat, Phil, maybe you know more about that than I, were you with him? No, he was with Stone. He was with Jay Stone. And he was looking down and he sees just. large animal hit the road right in front of them about 15, 20 yards, long tail, not black, brown.

So it's a we got a cougar. A big brown cat. He said he was a cat. He hit the road like that and with one leap was gone. And when his partner looked up a stone, he just saw the dirt kind of hitting the road after the cat came by. But he said it was a large cat, dark, long. tail.

Yeah. It's more than a, way more than anything else he'd ever seen. Yeah. And he's a trusted source, so that's fueled the argument. And then Jay captured this on a deer cam. I haven't released this photo. We'll put it up for you. And he's like, what is that?

Is that? Well, I don't know. I don't think it's a big cat, but I do not know what it is. So maybe we can put that out there. I don't have a dog-like appearance. Well, that's what I thought. But guess what they said it is? A Black Panther?

Yeah. That's not a Black Panther. I'm going to side with you on that one, Jace. That's his dog appearance and that. But yeah, they said that they have, you know, there's been Black Panther sightings in Arkansas from what? Now, I did Google it and it said there are no confirmed Black Panther sightings in Arkansas. It's not.

But they said that they had seen it. And also one of the things like with the whole like Bigfoot is like the sound, the sound of a Bigfoot can kind of sound like a big foot. can kind of sound like a panther sound. So I don't know. That's all I got. Maybe the Black Panthers. Black Panthers are the pets of Bigfoot.

So that's where it's all happened. So Corey, we're out of time. Tell folks where they can see L.O. Mama. Yeah, just search L.O. Mama podcast wherever you watch podcasts. And, yeah, excited to. It's been fun. There's a few podcasts out already. I think we're on episode like five right now.

And it's been fun to see the response. and just encouraged by, you know, people wanting to be better moms. I mean, that's what it's all about. That's the most important job that you could have. Surely needy. So I'm going to try to do a better job of remembering this podcast, Corey, 975. Maddie did send me a picture. I am sitting at the table with you in episode 701 where it says,

Corey, dishes on Willie and Jason's teenage romances. So I don't know. I don't know how I missed that. How did you forget that? Wow. I don't know. It was some kind of block. But anyway, thank you, Corey, for coming on.

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