Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 983 | Jase Fesses Up to a Moment of Fast-Food Weakness & Diddy Needs Jesus

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

Jase confesses to recently doing something that he was able to quit almost 20 years ago, and it came back to bite him. Zach’s dubious burger-cooking hack leaves Jase and Al feeling skeptical, and everyone knows Phil’s burgers are the best anyway. The guys compare getting to know Jesus to being in a marriage, except that Jesus never lets us down like our spouses inevitably will. Al ponders the fate of rapper Diddy, who used to be famous for his lyrical skills but is now famous for sex trafficking and domestic abuse charges. In this episode: Matthew 3, verse 15; Mark 1, verse 15; Luke 2, verse 49; Hebrews 3, verses 4-6; Genesis 2, verse 8 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. Zach, are you with us? Are you still there? I'm here. I came into a weird. It was a pregnant pawn. No, I think it was actually, you were frozen from our screen. And so then all of a sudden it was kind of like a cheerleader, making a snap move. Like, hey, go, big team, I'm here. You know, he used to work with cheerleaders.

Did you? Oh, yeah. He was a cheerleading camp person. Doc, I don't know what I would have done without these years of podcast of getting to know you. Getting to know you. I did. In college, I got a job working with the company was Universal Cheerleaders Association, UCA and then UDA. Well, I'll tell you.

You even knows the letter. I'm real careful about what I'm going to. saying that you're going through life trying to figure out what's your next move and how you're going to provide for your family and I just love to I would have loved to been there when you had that moment I got it babe I'm going to be I wouldn't marry you wasn't married he was not married he was looking for cheerleaders at that look at I was looking for her wife I hadn't met Jill yet I was in college well thank the Lord my job this this was my job though my job was I would go in and they would give me a dorm room to set up in and I would set up a camp store and I would

sell t-shirts and all the little outfits and all the things and uh but I'm just trying to get to the point because I know how my buddies were when I was that age yeah and I go in there and I'm like I got it guys cheerleading cheerleading there's money to be made I mean look we love our cheerleaders but I've just said there's money money to be made. It was, it was quite lucrative for a college kid,

though. I mean, it was the reason why they put us in the dorm rooms is they didn't want the, I probably shouldn't say that. I'm going to say it. I don't know.

I don't think they, it's 20 years. Let's just move on. I'm sure you made tens of dollars. It was a lot. It was a lot of money. And they didn't want the university. I don't think they wanted the university to know how much stuff we were selling.

It was crazy. I mean, I'm telling you. It's funny because most people, that on university campuses that are selling things to college students out of dorm rooms is probably illegal. Yes. Well, now it's all NIL driven, or is it NLI?

No, it's NIA. Name, image, license. Oh, yeah. All the sports now. I know. I was intrigued because, you know, we're big LSU fans. And there used to be a phenomenon back when Tyran Matthew was, with LSU.

They called him a Honey Badger. Well, now we have a linebacker, and I had to chuckle because there's been a big NIL-driven T-shirt business that's developed because now Witt Weeks, who had an incredible last couple games, they're calling him the honky badger. Yes, so. And my wife laughed out loud when I said that. Yeah, somebody said. How do these people come up with these ideas?

You know, I'm like, she's like, can you even say that in our culture now? And I was like, well, I guess I guess you can. It sounds like he's embraced it. Yeah. You're just reporting now. You know, you're not making it. Yeah, we didn't come up with it. Yeah, but he's like, oh, it's awesome.

I'm going to sell T-shirts. He was excited about it. Well, you get on these message boards. I mean, back in the early days of the blogosphere, the creativity, particularly of college football fans, is, I mean, it is, I mean, it is, there was, You know, there was that whole thing about LSU fans smelling like corn dogs that came out probably 15 years ago. I never got the insult. I think it's a pretty, pretty, it was pretty clever. Well, I don't know.

Or the ones remember when they have at the Vandy game, when they said, your graduates will be mowing our lawns. Well, the corn dog thing, the guy wrote a whole, like, thing about, like, being really careful when you go to Pat and Rouge. They don't act like you can smell them because they get really upset. that if they realize that you are. So much so to your point is that that a few years ago when Game Day was in Ole Miss, wherever they're at,

and Katie Perry was the guest picker. Well, I think she's the one that. And then she brought out a plate of corn dogs. But she, I think she was the first one to say that. Oh, no. It was been around way for that.

Oh, it's been around. She was just tapped into it. But look, she doesn't even know. Her manager, is an Ole Miss graduate. The only reason she was doing it. She didn't know anything about it. Yeah, well, that was funny.

It was very funny. I thought it was great. I mean, but I love corn dogs. I was like, I'm not even offended about it. You're like, thank you.

I mean, we should like corn dogs? You know, we could smell like what Jace was describing on the last podcast. That'd be a big tubs of some.

Some, we are, what is our problem? We keep getting back to some things are the smell of death. We can't leave it. But corned, Do you smell like life. I'll say that.

If you smell corn dogs, what do you think? You think there's a fair going on a carnival? Yeah. I like a good action. There's a warm place in my heart when I smell a corn dog. Don't be hating on corn dogs. I love a good corn dog. You've ever seen the show Carnival Eats, Zach?

It's one of one of the food networks. It's our childhood, though. It is because they travel around to these fairs. You know, in the Midwest especially, they're still doing, we don't do much around here anymore, But in the Midwest, they have these big fares. Man, you got the funnel cakes, the eleanineers, the corn dogs, the smokes. I'm wondering, when do you have time to watch TV? Well, since I'm trying to die, and I just have to watch it.

I have to watch other people eating. Which is funny. So I went by and checked on dad. Obviously, he's still not with us. Not quite back yet. But he did have a procedure that he had done the last time this happened. But it was a little bit worse, so it's going to take a minute for him to get better. But he was hopeful.

He was upbeat. And I said, well, now we got to, you know, I bought some food. Gimber cooked you some food last night. And I smoked you some burgers and, yeah, that's good, you know. And then he said, well, it looks like you're still eating pretty good. I was like, even dad and his diminished capacity was still able to put that bar of it there. I said, well, dad, I'm working on it. Well, what happened on the 60 by 60 or what was?

It's, I'm still losing. You have a couple months. I got a couple months. I got to speed it up a little bit. How much have you lost, Al? How much have you lost? I can't say. Don't look at it like that. Yeah, I can't say, Zach. You can't because people actually have betting lines on this. That's right. So I don't want to, I can't tip the, the Vegas odds one way or the other here by telling you my progress. It's a lifestyle change. That's what I'm attempting. That's what I'm attempting. That's what I'm attempting. You can't do a diet. It's, I mean. No, I'm off the fads. I'm off the diets. I'm off the just eat this and eat a bunch of big piles of meat and. stuff. I mean, I'm not saying it does work, but you know, I've done that for years.

I wind up in the same place every time. You'll appreciate this. You were late, and Zach was giving me this breaking news that he has now become the hamburger maker guru. I've heard that, and I've visited many times, and I've never gotten to eating one, so I don't know. I've got it. I've got it figured out. I really do think that I've figured out the best burger you can have the perfect burden. I gave him the bad news. I said, look, for years my dad, I mean, they used to call my dad's burgers Phil's famous.

Very legendary. And they were legendary and they were good. But my, what is he? My nephew-in-law, Jay, your son-in-law, on the grilled burger, he went past everybody. I'm talking about burger on a grill. Yeah. And fantastic. It's actually on a smoker, but, yeah.

Yeah. But I will say my son, Reed, who has chef tendencies? Oh, yeah. He got that from our family. He's a really good cook. He has gone past everyone with the pan-fried burger. Would you agree? I would agree. It is. I told him the last time, because he does one night on vacation every year, he does them.

And so I missed it last year because Lisa's surgery. But the year before, I was like, let me know when Reed's doing burgers because I'm going to be. Well, he's got one element to it that I will say I'm going to try it because it could make mine even better. But my whole process that I figured out, it's been, it is a process and you got to have all the right things. You did add something that I haven't considered yet with Reed and what he's been able to accomplish in the burger game, which is he's focused on the quality of the meat. Yep. Well, he is. His first move is to go find the butcher at the grocery store, and he says,

And they're always very hesitant about to do it. Well, they don't want to do it. They're like, sir, it's out there in a package. And he's like, nope, I want, he has three meats that he uses. I think it's, uh, uses a short rib, brisket, and, and then ribby. Ribby, those are his three meats that he combined. Which if you know, if you're a steak person like we are, you know those are a lot, there's a lot of marbles. and all of those.

So it's the fat meat content. It's a high fat content. Exactly. But that's what makes the burger. That's the juicy part. He's like, if you're going to do this, let's do this. So when I first ate one, I said, read, what in the world? And he's like, well, it starts with the butcher.

And I thought, you don't have to say another thing. The fact that you just said that, which I'll tell you. You've never been prouder, heavy days. I've never been prouder. I thought, yes, I did something right. Does he put anything, he puts him in the ball, so I do the same thing with the ball. Yeah, with the smash. He smashes them down, but he does something with the buns.

He also covers them, you know, with the little thing I noticed when he's frying them. That keeps the moisture in there or something. He actually uses the buns. It's a different kind of, I can't remember what they're called. Starts with a B. Riosch. Yeah, brioche buns. Again, an excellent choice.

If you're trying to lose weight, I wouldn't recommend this. Well, yeah, I can't do it. But, I mean, I know what I'm doing. That's how I got here. Well, here's the two things. Here's the two things I figured out recently. One is I got one of those, they're like a slicer, and I get a white onion. So I get there.

I'm talking about thin, really thin. He has an onion element to his, but they're like caramelized. Yeah, he caramelizes a person. Yeah, got to put. You put the onion on first, then you put the ball on top of the onion, then you smash it. Well, you need to. And that gives it the conversation. It sounds like you're in the same genre.

You just. We're in the same genre. But here's the one thing that he hasn't done. I promise you he has not done this next move. Because I read, I read up on this one after I read a little. So Zach's been researching. Who's the hamburger god out there who wrote the Bible for hamburgers? That's got a guy.

Well, tell us. When I ran up on a little thing called Mark 11, it changed my hamburger game. And now, this is what I did. I did on an accident. And this is going to sound crazy when I tell you the thing that makes it the best. Because it's not what you think. And because I've always used the high-end cheese thinking the same thing with the meat, right? Well, don't say American cheese.

No, it's worse than that. Well, I get the, I get the, oh, the craft singles. the cheapest, like just the stuff you never, moving on. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Let me listen to me. I told you it was going to sound crazy. You got to put that cheese on there because it's a different.

I quit doing that when I quit eating beanie weenies in Vienna songs. Hang on here. Look, I heard the crowd. Unashamed Nation wants to send you a message. Boy, did you ever take a wrong? He was in the genre. He was right there. He was talking to the lingo.

All I'm going to say is you do a blind taste test and you tell me I'm wrong. I'm not going to know a craft single when I quit. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Hey, here's what we do. For our special bonus behind the paywall, we have whatever you all call it, cooking with the robbers.

We need to, I'm going to not. I would nominate Zach to do that for the less palatable viewers of our audience to get that recipe. And I will not be attending. But I think it'll be good for humor and such. Oh, it's a game changer, boys. Oh, that's right. Cooking with the Robertson, his dad's burgers are on there. This is healthy competition.

Let's Zach make a stab at it. Zach was on such a role. I was so impressed until he said that. That was like, about a wrong turn. I was shocked just as much as you guys are. Trust me. I mean, when it happened, I was like, this isn't possible. Do you do?

So, Zach's meat mixture is Vienna sausage, spam, potted meat. Potted meats. This is giving me bad minutes. But I will. I know we have to take a break. But after the break, since Zach has now confessed his sin in trying to cook, because I'll just tell you right now, you had me and then you lost me. I will share, I had a moment of weakness.

on my trip to Nashville that I will share. I have yet to share this to anyone. Because it was a moment of weakness. Confessions by Jace after the break. There I was. I've always said the greatest fast food. And then I'll do a thing about hunting in God's grocery store. Do you hear ducks?

You know, they're fast out because they can. I've heard you do it in your speech. I don't do fast food, although I make an exception for Chick-fil-A. because it's decent, but they're just nice. And so I'll do that. And they have fruit, which I love the fresh fruit. And Mia worked there, did she? She worked.

Look, and so did my son read. That's how, look, that was the development stage of what now is the greatest burger. And I will put my hard-earned cash in between. I have said, I never had a better one. If we had a competition with Zach's little single. Was that about a hung in there with some decent cheese? You can't have a process. cheese product with a little that's what I said.

Look, I said the same thing, Jace. I'm like, you're not saying anything that I haven't already said. So anyway, there I was, and this story has a backstory before we get into something more meaty. That's an ironic joke. That's a pun, Jay. I found myself the last time I went to Nashville, you know, we get busy. We were doing an event and, you know, I had looked up and I hadn't eaten anything all day.

Yeah. And it was late. And you all did a rare podcast without me, which I was thrilled. Well, this is, but I'm going back in time. Oh, this is another. Yeah, but you know, I've noticed something. When you're extremely hungry and you haven't eaten anything all day, everything's going to taste better, obviously.

And Missy's like, here's your options. Because we were wherever we were. And I was looking, well, it was all much fast food places. And I was like, was there a grocery store open? She's like, babe, the grocery stores are closed. Because I usually make that move. Right. And so I stopped at Wendy's.

I said, I'm going to go with Wendy's because I heard somebody say something about a baconator was good. And look, the reason this is my first trip to Wendy's in 10 years. Because the last time I went to Wendy's, 10 years before that, I had 10 years, what am I saying? It had probably been more like 20. Because back then I had no money and I had my best khakis on. which back then having a nice pair of khakis was like a treat. And when I... You're dressed up.

Yeah. I forgot what we... Maybe we had gone to a funeral or something. And we stopped at Wendy's. And when I opened the package, you know how they wrapped? And went to eat the burger. I felt something hot all of a sudden. And I looked down on my nice khaki pants and there was grease dripping, not like a drop.

It was like someone had provided a hot. funnel from that burger and it just stained those khakis which never was probably your only pair and i said i'll never be back that did i chunked the burger out the window i was mad i lost my which doesn't necessarily mean it was bad it just was crazy well it was greasy yeah i'm not you know hating on wendy's here i'm just saying you get what you pay for and i mean i'm i'm a god's grocery store kind of guy so i i went to we went to wendies and i get this baconator and uh look First thing I did was check for grease. No grease was coming out.

I ate this thing. And in that moment, I thought, now, that's not as good as my dad. It's not as good as my. It was fantastic. I was like, babe, they're back in. A baconator from Wendy's? Yeah. And I was like, I'm back in.

So, I'll tell you that story. And you're critiquing me about my burger. Well, he's already said he was in a bindzac. He was starving to that. I hadn't eaten in 24 hours. I was literally dizzy. We give him a pass on it because he's not needed. The second part of this story,

it, there's, there's, so, so we're going to Nashville. This is just a few days ago. That happened months ago. And so hadn't been back since.

And, well, looked up, it's four or five o'clock, and it hit me. I haven't eaten. Because Missy eats like a bird. Yeah.

I said, babe, I gotta get something to eat. She's all I'm stopping. That's, that right there, though, Jason,

that's the difference between you and me and now. There's never a moment where I'm like, oh, I forgot to eat. No, that's never. It's always on the, it's always busy. I'm constantly saying I don't need to eat.

I'd gotten busy and things had happened and I just hadn't eaten. And she's like, well, I got to stop gas and stop and get gas. And I was like, there's a Wendy's. I remembered that baconator. I said, the conditions are right. I haven't eaten anything today. Here we go. So I said, so we got up.

I said, look at the line. I said, I'm telling you they came up with that baconator and they're taking over the world. You know, and she's, I was like, so I'm going to go in. So Missy didn't eat the baconator. Oh, no. I said, what are you going to order, babe? She's like, I'm good, thank. So I go in.

The bird passed. This is a true story that just happened a matter of days ago. I walk in there, and there's only one person in front of him. I was like, perfect, you know. And so I said, I want to get one of these famous baconators, you know. And so the woman behind the cash register, she said, And I continued with my order. She was trying to interrupt me.

But I was like, you know, and I don't want mayonnaise on it. No mayonnaise. You know, I'm bacon ate her. And I, you know, let's see. What else y'all got? I was like, I came here for the bacon ateer, but she was trying to talk. I was like, why is she trying to interrupt me? I'm ordering here.

And then she says the famous words I thought I'd never hear. She said, we're out of meat. And I just was speechless. I was like, we're out of meat. You're at a meat. And I wanted in that moment to go outside because this long line that's form. And I wanted just to declare, they have no meat. And she said, they're not, they're not Arby's.

So what do you want? There was a commercial. Where's the beef? Where's the beach, man? I started stammering. She's like, what else do you want? And I was like, I was like, I said, you can't help me. And I turned around, I walked out, Missy's looking at me.

And I was like, they have no meat. And she said, what? This is crazy. This is crazy. How do you have no meat? This is heresy. I just couldn't believe. That happened.

And so I want, look, you know, here's the power. of advertising. Well, she said, well, I said, let's just go to the gas station. I'll get something there, you know. Well, in between, I see an Arby's, which I've never. They have the meat. Look, that jingle hit me. I said, wait a minute, they have the meat.

And Missy was laughing, you know. Well, I went in there and got a burger. And they claim it it's a Wagyu burger, but I've never tried it. No good. No. Well, it just, you know. Just didn't do it. It wasn't for me.

So there you go. I don't know why we went there. But I'll tell you this. That reminds me of my son, Fred, every time we go to subway, and always just, speaking of eaters, that man can eat. That man can eat. He can put it down.

He'll order an Italian BMT with everything on it, and he'll say, hold the meat. Okay, Zay, you need to immediately have a conference. No, I love people who are, who turn into vegetarians because that means there's more for the rest of them. More meat for the rest of them. But I just say, why don't you just order it as a vegetable, like just vegetable sub, but he's like, I said, why do you do it? I don't like the meat. I said, but then don't order an Italian BMT, which has like four different meats on it.

It's mainly meat. I just want a vegetable side. Just order the side. It's just a weird. That's like going and ordering a meat lover's pizza and saying hold the. meat. I just want a lover. I just want a pizza lover.

All right, I'll segue this nonsensical conversation we have for good clean. Oh, man. It's been good for me, though. Because this is a Bible study. We have to remember that. It is, but I always love it when people say, well, when are we going to get into the meat of the Bible? What I've determined is, I mean, Jesus is the meat here. I mean, this is.

And I preached last night at a gathering. in Monroe, which went, I thought, fairly well, I guess. But what I was surprised at is the response was sort of like what we talked about in the last podcast with just regular everyday believers, not knowing what to say to their friends, their neighbors about Jesus. I was kind of surprised. I mean, which is a little bit, we talked about this before, Jay. I take it a little bit personally that I haven't necessarily been a great equipper of people. If it should have been much more simple.

In other words, and I'm just saying this for me, not other pastors or whatever, but obviously we haven't been doing something that we should be doing if it's so hard for people to share what's so easy to share. I was really, maybe we made it too complicated, you know.

I had a dozen conversations last night, mostly with young people, and I say young people, that's relative. I'd say 20 to 40. Yeah. Who were saying, I remember one guy specifically, he's like, you know what, that was an interesting speech. I mean, it was all about Jesus. And because I kind of made the point, we all think we know Jesus. And I'm like, if you think you know Jesus, you have no idea.

I mean, this is never going to end you getting to know Jesus better. And I kind of did something different that I hadn't done before it. It hit me before I got up. You remember the podcast where I read the first red letters in John? Yeah, with the first statement, you know, where he said, what do you want? They were following him. And he, because I love his response. He's like, come and you'll see.

Yeah. And they spent the day together. And so I kind of made a point about that about, you will never stop in your Christian faith investigating Jesus. And you'll read the Gospels. I'm not saying you, I mean, I read the Gospels, and I am constantly thinking, did they rewrite this? How did I miss this before?

I mean, this is a constant occurrence. That's why he did the deep dive into Proverbs you were talking about in the past podcast. Exactly. And we're in the section, Colossians 115, where that was his whole point. they were looking for deeper knowledge or these theories that somehow they, you know, they had missed, and this is going to provide all the answers to life with these other gods and this kind of mystical. There's something out there that's going to make everything makes sense. And Paul, very cleverly, is like, it's Jesus.

And the problem is you understanding, pursuing, investigating, however, many words you want to use to describe this. Same thing he said in Ephesians, knowing him better. Because you have his spirit. And as 1st Corinthians 2 says, produces the mind of Christ. Well, if you're going to do that, you're constantly going to have to know him better. And it's not something that you just take a class on and you say, oh, oh, I got it. It kind of reminds me of marriage or your relationship with your family.

The problem in it all is so like with my wife, you know, you put your best foot forward when you're dating. I mean, I was seeing no possibilities of disappointment or, you know, and vice versa. Well, we all know what happens when you get married. It brings out the best in you. Yeah, and the worst. All of a sudden, you're like, well, this is disappointing, you know. But, and you work through that and that struggle, you become closer. But what I'm saying is with Jesus, there's never a disappointment in this getting to knowing.

It's constantly getting better and better and better and better and better. He's God in human form. So what I did. I'll say that. Joe's counselors will say, in books have been written. They'll say, well, you know, you need to keep dating your wife. And I understand what they're saying. They're saying try to continue to put your best.

foot forward. But actually, it's not really the best way to look at it. Because you're not in a constant state of dating. You're in a constant state of reality to grow this relationship into something better. Exactly. And so that's exactly what you're describing with our spiritual walker of Christ. It's not like, well, let's keep acting like we did when we first got baptized and first became a Christian because we were so on fire for the Lord. And you're like, no, I mean, grow the relationship. Stay fired up. Yeah, that's great. But you don't want to say, I'm going to go back to immaturity. That's not good. Well, right. And that's a very good illustration, because that was Paul's illustration when he talks about growing and the gospel is bearing fruit and growing.

It's a constant thing. When he gets to chapter two, he talks about them being united and being rooted and built up in Christ. Well, it's a process even in Christ. But where the problem happens is when we think, oh, I got to move on somehow from Jesus. Jesus, he's not enough. Yeah, I need something deeper. And he's saying, no, no, getting to know him better is the growth process. And that's why I did the thing in Proverbs last time about you're looking for wisdom. And it does come from overcoming adversity and going through difficulty and dealing with your past sins and all that. But it's done through a person, a relationship with a person, which is Jesus.

He is the wisdom. So, and it's always evolving as you grow. So what I did last night is I read the first statements in red letters from all the Gospels. Right. And, you know, it's a, if you took a poll to prove my point on how many Christians would know that answer, it would probably be zero, which is kind of crazy if you think about it. Right.

Because we just, we're like, well, yeah, we know the story. And so in Matthew, the first red letters recorded is at his baptism, which is interesting. And, you know, he's having a conversation with John the Baptist. And John is trying to deter him in chapter 3 and 14 saying, I need to be baptized by you and do you come to me? And Jesus replied, drum roll, first red letters of Matthew, let it be so now. it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness and when you read that based on our conversation from colosians 115 him being the first born of the creation i mean in that moment you have the holy spirit descending on a person that that's a human

no granted he he he came from a virgin right but But he's showing something contrary to John the Baptist baptism, which was just a baptism or repentance. No Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit of God was not involved. And here this happens to fulfill all righteousness. And as we said from Colossians 115, that firstborn over creation, the word firstborn is like a prototype where we get the word prototype. it was to show you that this could happen to humans. God could literally live in a human body. Because you had the voice of Yahweh

that had been guiding people all throughout Old Testament history and you have this man, this Jesus of Nazareth, and then you have the Holy Spirit. You're right, just the picture that that painted is the world changer. It's the game changer. There you go. Zach is being attacked by a large buzzing insect.

I thought he was playing into some kind of riff. I was painting the picture and I thought he was going to go in. You know what it was? You know, it popped up on my screen on my computer was the unashamed podcast popped up and I started playing. Zach, you know what happened. That was actually our, that was uploaded five years ago. It was the unashamed teaser. You don't have to watch.

What is going on here? You don't have to watch is that. We're actually doing the Unashamed podcast. I was watching the Unashamed podcast. I'm probably doing the Unashamed podcast. I apologize. So then I went to Mark, and I didn't do this consecutively. It was like I had points that I would go back.

Yeah. And so Mark won, the first red letters, is verse 15 when he says, The time has come. The kingdom of God is near, or, at hand. The kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe the good news. And what I found fascinating is so you've gone to Matthew and Mark.

Matthew, you've got him receiving God's spirit, which was a groundbreaking thing and saying this is, you want to know. And all the deity in one picture there. Yeah. Bringing and by the way, he said, the father, this is my son, whom I love,

I'm well-plea. This being available to human beings, Jesus showing that. And here, now we have this idea of the kingdom which is, you know, I went from Colossians 115 backwards to these things where he says, you know,

he's qualified us to share in the kingdom and of the inheritance of the saints and then he's like Jesus has rescued us and brought us into the kingdom of the sun. By the way, the context of it, Jay, is still with John, but now John's in prison, meaning that

page has been turned. You know, everything that was done by John the Baptist is now about to change. So that was interesting. And interesting enough in Luke, the first read letters is his parents had lost him as a kid. Yeah, Luke, Luke 2. Yeah.

And he says in 249, why were you searching for me? Which is just a great standalone question. Kind of like the what do you want in John? He asked, didn't you know I had to be in my father's house? And, you know, also I read in the verse 32 where it says Jesus grew in wisdom and stature and in favor with God. And man, even he experienced that growth process as a human. But I thought, well, what a statement if you combine those three things that his first words,

you have him receiving God's spirit and receiving God's approval in that moment. And that began his ministry. Yeah. He never did a miracle before that. He didn't do his ministry before that. He was at this stage. Then you have the king, he announces the kingdom is at hand.

And by association, he's portraying himself as the king. The king is here. The king has arrived. And here, we know the implications of what he's saying here because he was at a temple. But later, we would become his,

house. I think of that verse in Hebrews 3, 4 on why, you know, the Hebrew I ever said when Jesus was better than Moses. And he makes an interesting statement. He's like, this is Hebrews 3, 4 through 6. He says, every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. And then he talks about Christ, who is better. And then he said, we are his house. And I thought, well, okay. And then why would you wait three days before, you know, there's a sermon there, Zach? Start with God's house. They looked in houses for three days. What they got to God's house?

You're searching in the wrong place. I mean, that was the message, right? Wrong house. But even in John, too, it makes you think when he cleaned out the temple. And he was like, I am the temple. And we would become the house of God. Think of the last two verses in Ephesians 2. All the implications of that.

And then the John 1, which we did. So I kind of revolved Colossians 1-15 and an overview of. of Colossians with those four first red letter statements in each of the gospel. Because I was doing that. My point is the reason I'm doing that, when there's no significance. It just happened to be the first thing. But what I'm saying is that's just the first red letters.

And all of a sudden, there's a lot to ponder on those individual statements. Well, these books are pretty lengthy. And so I just feel like in our society, we're so, you know, we'll listen to seven sermons and six podcasts. and, you know, watch eight episodes on Netflix of a show. But if you tell people to go home and read a gospel, you know, one of the Gospels, they're like, well, you know, it'll take a while.

I mean, when's the last time you read one of the Gospels all the way through, just looking like, well, what is Jesus? How can I know Jesus? But that was my point. It seems like, oh, well, I already, I got it. And I just think that's the problem. Yeah. If you're struggling with having a conversation with someone about Jesus,

and so every conversation I had, and I'll just give you one, I started and didn't finish, one of the young guys, he said, yeah, I usually got work. And he said, you know, he's from here, so I know he believes in God. And, you know, he just, he cusses like a sailor. And I hear, he tells about what he did over the weekend. And, you know, he was kind of trying to sugarcoat. And he's like, but, you know, I just. But he's local on anything.

He's like, you know, but he knows about God. And he's like, I'm just, and I said, let me just, I said, the fact that you're bringing this up, that's the Lord moving in your heart to say something. Yeah. I was like, do you really? He's on the wrong path. I said, do you really think this guy has Jesus figured out and has a relationship with him? He's like, absolutely not.

And I said, well, what? He said, but I just don't know how to start. I was like, and it goes back to what we talked about. I was like, everybody gives the illusion that they got it figured out. They're a believer. I was like, but he's giving you the proof that that's not so. I said, I think you would be surprised with just a simple conversation. I actually pointed to my hat.

And I was like, wear one of these hats. And I'm positive. He'll say, what does that mean? I said, if it takes something like that, I said, but I said, I would probably start with, you know, we've been friends for years. And I heard a guy talked the other night. And we were talking about eternity and living forever and having purpose on life. And I thought about you.

And I thought, you know, if there's a God and there's an eternity, I wouldn't want you to miss out on this. I was like, I think you'll be shocked at his response. You're telling him. And he may be more receptive. I think people are more receptive to people just sharing their own relationship and their story of how God changed them. And I was thinking about when you were talking about that earlier, about knowledge, you were talking about the word knowledge. We brought that up on a previous podcast as well.

If you think back to how Jesus defines eternal life, he says it as knowing. So he defines life, eternal life, as knowing the one true God. And Jesus Christ's son whom he said. But if you go back to the Garden of Eden and you think, well, what about the opposite of life? What is that? Well, that's death.

That's the opposite. of life? What is, what was the representation of death in the garden? And when you were talking earlier, I thought about this. It's actually a form of knowledge. It says that in the middle of the garden, this is in Genesis chapter 2, verse 8. In the middle of the garden, there were the tree of life. So you have the tree of life, which would be to know the one true God. And then later Jesus Christ's son whom he sent the incarnation of that God. And there's another tree. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And he says in verse 17, don't eat, you can have any tree, but don't eat of the one of the knowledge of good and evil.

For when you eat of it, you will certainly die. And I think that's why when we were talking about the last podcast about this being relational, what that means is talk about how you know Jesus and how Jesus knows you. And that may not be a sophisticated system that you figured out yet. you may not have developed or studied a systematic theology that you can give some deep level apologetic. Really, that's not where most people are at. Most people, they want to hear how God changed your life and how do you know this God, who's a person, as opposed to knowing about all these things that are good and evil.

That's what sin is. I just thought that was an interesting play there on this concept of knowledge. Knowledge is going to lead you one way or the other. It's going to lead you to intimate knowledge of a person. or it's going to lead you away from the intimate knowledge of that person and to know the things of good and evil, which is what we're trying to escape, is that corruption that's in the world. That makes sense? And also, Jay's to your point in what Zach was just describing, most of the time when people are pretty passionately following worldly desires, whatever that is, whatever that is for people, because it's different things. they don't they're not very fulfilled and sometimes just a simple question about so how you feel about

how your life is is is doing a lot of times when people are in you're striving after worldly stuff in the moment of that they think well not good yeah i mean it you know when you just i would think about this too that it it seems appealing when you're young and like there's there is a version of that worldly life that looks appealing. And I think about like Pete Eddie, who's all in the news right now with this big scandal. And I think about like that guy, because I grew up in the late 90s and early 2000s. And me and Jep were in college together. And I remember in 1998 riding around in Jep's pickup truck, we were not living for Jesus at

all. And we were listening to Puff Daddy. I remember it like it was yesterday. And we thought that this is cool. This is, this is glamorous. This is whatever it is. Now you fast forward 20 years and everything that this guy was celebrated for in culture, he's now being demonized for and it's gross.

And nobody looks at P-Dady. Nobody looks at the end of Hugh Heffner's life. Nobody looks at Jeffrey Epstein and says, now that was the good life. Man, those guys were killing it because it's been exposed. And I think that if you can dial that back and that really is even present, even in the moments that we glamorize, that emptiness, that you see now on display on every newspaper in America for P. Diddy, that emptiness is actually was present all along.

Yeah. And that goes back to what we talked about in that podcast or we were enemies in our mind. And I've read that Augustine quote that, that, like our mind and isolation and all they, where are? That's the hell. And if you,

and that's the thing that you can, a lot of times you, you can't get someone to even have that conversation if you go in with, this super religious practice presentation. But if you can go in with the sincerity of your own experience and the relationship that you have with that person, that you've already built up that capital and they know that you love them, you can start to uncover a whole lot of that insecurity and a whole lot of that instability and a whole lot of that just like, man, this ain't working really well for me.

And I hope, Zach, that, because he's in prison now, I hope that out of the desperation of losing all that he thought was important that someone will share Jesus with that man. Because he may be on redemption. That's right. Maybe he'll now finally be ready to listen because a lot of times that's what it takes. It takes the devastation of the lifestyle that gets you there. We were talking about salt and light Sunday in our sermon. And I was talking about how that salt has been used as a purification and a preserver, you know,

throughout human history, it always has been. Because Jesus made that statement, said, if salt loses its saltiness, it's not worth anything. And I told the story about Lott in his family because he was doing it in a terrible, wicked culture. And God said, you got to get out of there because judgment is about to fall on it. And the wife, his wife could not leave it. She couldn't bring herself to leave and be purified in God. And what she turned into, a big old block of salt.

And it was almost just like it was a lesson for eternity that, you know, you need something more than that. That's just not enough. Don't hang on too tightly to it. And I think about, like, what we're trying to do with our sharing of Jesus, yeah, the first thing you're trying to do, really, is just get people to understand that depravity is actually a form of slavery. Yeah. And you see it with this P. Daddy story, for sure.

Like, this guy was clearly a slave to his own depravity, which, and Peter talks about this. He says that these people, they promise freedom while they themselves are slaves to depravity. and that the people are slaves of whatever's mastered them. And so when you think about what's being offered in the gospel, it actually is real freedom because it's a reshaping and a restoration and a transformation of your desires so that you can, when you're in Christ, you can do whatever you want, which Dallas Willers said so eloquently. He says, yeah, in Christ, guess what? You can murder all that you want, which will be none.

none at all. And so because why? It reshapes desire. And that's, that's really what, I think people are, we're all looking for. We're not necessarily looking for the right information. We're looking for the right transformation. Yeah. And you painted the picture from the garden of the old, you know, where did marketing come from? The evil one. He was the first marketer. I mean, he made it look good. You know, he was looking at that fruit. And she was thinking, oh, you know, this might be good. I mean, it might be smarter and it looks like it'd be tasty. And by all the, so you were mentioned about P-Ditty, everybody looked at those parties and all those celebrities and said, man, wouldn't that be something? Got to be there. It wouldn't that be something if I could be in there?

And then you found out what was going on in there with sex trafficking and pedophilia, does all these awful, terrible things. And you're like, nope, it's made to look good. But in the end, at least to death, back to our smell. And what Christ does, and what Christ does, and this is key, because what Christ does through the power of the Holy Spirit is it leads us to the revelation of that reality. It basically is to expose the lies of the marketing campaign and say, you know, actually, that's an infomercial. And if you order that and it gets to your house, that snack machine is actually about this big. It's about, you know, it doesn't, it's a lie. It's not real.

What you're seeing is not real, which is the language that I was thinking about out of, Hebrews 5, when you guys are talking about meat at the very beginning of this, we were talking about the solid meat. This is how the language of Hebrews 5 says it, that you ought to be, for all that by this time you ought to be teachers. You need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food. For everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the words of righteousness since he is a child. But solid food, the meat, is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment train by constant practice to what?

Distinguish good from evil. So it's a flipping back of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Well, now we need the Holy Spirit. And through our practices with him and listening to him and his revelation, we can begin to discern these marketing campaigns of the evil and say, no, that's a lot. that's actually not good and that's actually evil. I'm not going to bite on that apple. I'm not going to eat that because that's actually not going to be very fulfilling for me.

That's good. Or bite on that burger. So the point of this whole thing was the meat is getting to know Jesus better. The devil's temptation is the processed cheese slice that you try to slip in there at the last minute and say, oh, no, this is good. You're missing out on the greatest burger. I mean, just this. Perfect way to bring it to a close. What a close.

What a close, Jace. We're going to stick with the meat and we're going to let Zach do the process. She's, so we'll see. We'll see you next time on Unashame. That really wasn't great close. That was perfect. Brought it back. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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