Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 987 | The 'Unashamed' Post-Election Special Featuring Uncle Si

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

Uncle Si wholeheartedly approves of the choice of the American people to vote in Donald Trump as the 47th President. Jase recounts the moment he knew Kamala Harris wasn’t a candidate he could support, and Al remembers the moment he knew former President Trump would win again. Zach’s election party held a late-night surprise, and the guys agree that it's the Christian's responsibility to stand up and do what’s right according to Jesus, no matter who lives in the White House. In this episode: Galatians 5, verse 22; Genesis 1, verse 26; Romans 13, verses 1-5 —  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to a, I guess I would call this a special edition of Unashamed, only because normally we record we're like a week or so out. But because it's a big day, it's the day after election day, which for me I was up until two days. Was that yesterday? It's the same day for me. You know why. It feels like I just went to bed.

You know why this is a special edition? Why is that? The wise man once told me you can't spell special without sigh. Yeah. We have sighs in the house. We're in your house, actually. I was commenting side that, because we've been broadcasting out of here the last few podcasts, because we're still waiting on dad to get well and get back with us.

But you have a lot of noise makers around you. There's a, well, it looks like a noisy area. And you're pretty noisy anyway. I've got the don't, I've got the bongo drums. I've got this thing here, okay. Slow down. Jay's used to do the duck haul with. So I've got to have something, okay, to break the tension.

Here's what's crazy. So we're doing a, I guess, post-election. This is a post-election special. Post-election coverage. Because this will come out today, same day, which we don't do that a lot. So to my credit, since we're not, you know, that much in the political world as far as being able to pontificate on all the end. We try to swim upstream.

I said get us a guess, you know, who knows what's going on. And so y'all did. And we have the. But we tried to get Trump Jr. But we couldn't get him so we got sad. Well, no, no, because here's the deal. I am really proud of we the people. Yeah.

Okay. because we stepped up and we come out and we actually took the responsibility and we voted correctly. Yeah, I guess I know who you voted for, but that's... Well, no, no, I'm just saying, hey, they all did. Everybody that voted, okay, they voted, in my humble opinion, they voted for the most qualified person, okay, to run our nation. Between the two, yeah, okay. Well, it was, there was no doubt as far as when you looked at the numbers, when you looked at the numbers, obviously we're a devout. country. Right.

So politically. So some of the states. And everything was saying it was going to be tight in terms of, you know. Well, that's my challenge for we the people. Yeah. Okay. Let's come together. Okay.

Good job. The election is over. Okay. The person that we chose has been chosen. Yeah. Okay. So, hey, look, how about this time? Everybody get behind him.

Yeah. Okay. Instead of fighting him. Yeah. Well, in trying. Okay. and let's see what we and the president can do for this great nation of ours. I think that's got a role in the cabinet.

He sounds like JFK, ask not what your country can do for you, but what can you do for your country? Yeah. Well, me and Philip discuss this a lot because when we're out, okay? And we come up with in this Galatians 522. All right, we should be pushing more of, hey, the fruit of the spirit. love, joy. All that.

I would like to be when I go out on this nation. I would like to see more smiling. I would like to see more laughter. I would like to see more kindness, brotherly love. Okay, the good stuff. We've got it. Okay. Because God has given us everything.

We've got it. Yeah. So let's share it with each other. Hey, turn to your neighbor and be nice to him for crying out loud. So, I mean, Zach, I thought about you. last night, actually may have been this morning, I think it was after midnight. North Carolina was the first swing state to, I felt like, I felt like that was the first step towards Trump winning was when North Carolina was called. So were you up? Were you proud? Did you?

I stayed up last night. We had a little election party. Yeah. I had some neighbors come over. So we were up. I actually stayed. One of the guys came over, I fell asleep on the couch, and he wanted to stay to the end. And he was, I woke up at 2.30 in the morning.

And he's still sitting in my living room. You said, hey, one? I knew one when I fell asleep, but I was like, man, you really were invested in this thing. And to the end, and he wanted to hear Trump's speech. So he's like, the way I woke up, he's like tapping me on my leg.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You realize how that sounds like. I had a party last night. I passed out on the couch. No, there was no drinking. There's like zero alcohol. I was just saying that's where my mind was going. You woke up and there was a strange man and you're living around.

It did sound that way. It really did sound that way. I mean, it was a decisive victory. I mean, you know, he's probably going to end up with 313 of the Electoral College votes, which is more. I haven't looked at the numbers this morning, but it still looked like he's going to win the popular vote. Oh, yeah. He's going to win the popular vote. It looks like that the Republican Party is going to keep the House and gain the Senate.

And again, the Senate big. Yeah. Well, I mean, the big thing, I will tell you this, I think that, and I know it's like super divisive and this time is. And there's a lot of, a lot of energy, a lot of emotions, lots of thoughts. but I do think that what's going to happen here in the next two years is going to be unprecedented. I think with the addition of Elon Musk and Peter Thiel and VDIC and all those guys, I mean, I do believe there's going to be a gutting of the federal bureaucracy on a level that we probably can't comprehend. and regardless of partisan party affiliation.

I would say that's a good thing. I was going to, yeah, I think that's a good thing. And I think that, I mean, I really believe that the federal bureaucracy, the unelected bureaucrats have so much power that I think this is going to fundamentally shift. There's going to be a major cultural shift in the terms of how much of we put on the federal government. And there's so much waste and so much spending. And I think average people were just like, I mean, the inflation was a big deal.

Threat to democracy was a top issue. But ironically, that that was the message of the Democratic Party with Trump would be a threat to democracy. But ironically, most of those people when polled actually went for Trump. So I just think the lesson, there's a lot of lessons here. One of the lessons is this, though, is that I think legacy media took a major hit. I think podcasters, the yay for podcasters, made a major advancement. I mean, I mean, Trump, the Trump campaign really went after the pot. They were Joe Rogan and Theo Vaughn.

I mean, they did not, they didn't have any of legacy media behind them. And this, this was like, there's a new, there's a new, something shifting here that was, I think this election probably points too far. That's a great observation about the method they chose. And they went ahead and did. You're right. They did the big interviews. They talked to the folks.

It's not like they just ignored them, but they added on. You're right. And basically the other side did not. They avoided that pretty much. Well, right. It was just kind of an anti-Trump campaign. Right. I mean, Trump love him, hate him, you know, his mannerisms, personality, whatever.

He did have more from a policy standpoint. point and I was kind of surprised at the demographics. I think in every way the political pundits divide nation, the nation, you know, in women, men, African American, white, you know, they have all the categories. Young and O. I saw a big banner today. In every conceivable way to put people into categories,

he improved from the last time he ran. Even women, you know. Did you see that there's a clip on CNN because I flipped back through coverage and there's a clip on CNN when Jake Tapper was, I forgot the other guy's name there. He basically shows that stat and he puts up a map of America and it's like these are the districts or the precincts where she is doing better or where Trump is, where she's doing better than Biden did in 2000. And Jake Tapper's like, where are they? That's what I'm trying to. There's none. Oh, I actually saw that because I knew we were going to talk about this today.

It's like, holy smokes. It's like this moment of realization where it's like, uh-oh. I'll tell you what happened. What he said was they showed Trump where he had improved county-wise, obviously in Louisiana. We call it parish. And in the northeast, they call them townships. but so county just we'll call it county for the sake wherever Trump improved three points or more

and it was a thousand counties so then the Jake Tapper guy said well show us Kamala Harris's and so when he did he actually clicked the wrong button and put it just on the states well obviously nowhere but he kind of does that's point he looked and was like she doesn't have any and he said, well, wait a minute, something's got to be wrong. They're like, figure it out.

People are talking in the air. So finally he pushed somebody on the phone. Somebody find me a map. But it was still devastating because when he pushed the county, he finally pushed the right button. I think it was 39. Now, Trump had improved in a thousand. It was like 997, at least three. And it was, some of them were blue, some of them were red.

It was just, you get the, you know, the, you know, the, model they were using. But hers was like 39. Well, it just, when Trump, they showed his, it just the whole United States looked like a Christmas tree. And on hers, you had to stray, it was like little drops

of paint that had fallen on the floor after you painted a wall. So I noticed that too because I just thought they were in full blown panic. But I want to say from our perspective, because we're not, you know, we're a Bible study at the heart of the, of the matter.

And, but I did get, you know, my cage got rattled over the Jesus' Lord at the Kamala Harris rally and the infamous line, you're at the wrong rally. You know, I really researched that to make sure before I said something, but I was like, there was three statements made there. Christ is king, Jesus' Lord, and Jesus loves you. while she was speaking about abortion, which became, you know, a big issue in this election, which I want to talk about further.

But I think that, like, even the religious, and when I say religious, there's a lot of different categories in there. But even me who, no matter who was going to get elected, I'm still going to share Jesus. It was just going to be maybe more difficult. Y'all discussing this on the grouping. is to me that's anti-united.

Well, I'm saying, but that's what the world does. They put the categories. Yeah, but I'm saying, hey, you know, we need to stop that. Let's just try to come together, okay? We're one group. It's called the human race for crying out loud. But I would argue,

Sa, that really that true unity that you're wanting, it really only comes in Christ ultimately. That's why there's so many of these passages, even like where we're at in Colossians, when he, you know, he goes through this. Jesus is the image of the image of God. Look how great he is. You've participated in that. You actually have Christ in you. And then with all this anxiety going on over the election.

Yeah, but to hammer your point home. I want to read this, though, to put in Colossian 3, he says, you know, since you've been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above. Set your mind not on earthly things, but then he gets down and says, here there is no Greek or Jew circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free, but Christ is all and in all. I'm just saying what Christ offers to the human race brings more unity. Yeah, but to hammer your point home, though, in Genesis 1, 26, where God said, hey, let us make man.

in our image and our likeness. Well, you should have exactly two things pop up. Okay, wait a minute. What is God's image? What is God's likeness? Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a good point you make there, Jason. I mean, we can be excited when your candidate wins.

But this is more than, I don't think this was about a candidate. I mean, for some people it was. For some people, it was about the cultural personality that is Trump. I think a lot of people, though, it was more about the direction that they wanted to see the country go. Or maybe it was, they felt marginalized. They felt like, you know, there was a great take from a Kentucky senator of or somebody I saw too. I was talking about it where it was essentially ordinary people, you know what I mean? And just stepping up and voting what they wanted to see happens.

I don't think that all of this was about a person. I think it was about more than that. And I think it always is, honestly. I think it's about ideas on both sides. And there are conflicting ideas and ideologies that seek. And none of those are perfect in the partisan political process. With that being said, we certainly are called to engage and see where is the Christ's ethic in this. And we do the best we can to do that.

But at the end of the day, our true peace is only going to come through, Christ. And so we don't put our eternal hope in this, you know, although we can be excited about it. I'm excited, for example, I'm excited to see what happens with the federal bureaucracy. I mean, I would love to see, you know, a massive cut. I would love to see more power return to ordinary people to run their own lives. Because, you know, the old, the used to, the conservative message was that the government cannot make your life better. you can make your life better. So we're going to take power out of the federal government and then we're going to redistribute it back to the people.

And so I hope that that's what we see. I hope that we see individual families and municipalities and local school boards and local policy makers. I hope that that's where the power returns back to instead of central planners and a federal bureaucracy in Washington, D.C., who aren't loose on the ground. with that being said, my ultimate hope is still the same that it was before all this happened. My ultimate hope is in the king of kings and in the kingdom of God that can't be shaken nor destroyed. I will say to size point earlier, that in our lifetime, we used to see elections where, you know, your side didn't win both ways. And there was always a coalescing around, okay, America's spoken. And, you know, we're going to get on board.

We're going to try to do the best we can whether we agreed or not agreed. That certainly has changed. in the Trump era, where now it's like immediately upon winning, instead of us coming together and saying, let's try to get something done for the country. It's like we're the resistance. So for the next four years, we're going to constantly be the thorn in the flesh that says,

we don't want you to get anything done in both ways. I mean, that works as well on the right. But I think that's unfortunate. I would you say I hate to see that go away. It has. I mean, you've got to just be realistic. It is what it is. But I hate that.

I wish it wasn't a resistance immediately into, you know, someone winning the presidency. It should be a moment where he say, what can we get done for the folks, you know, for the good of the people? But it really is not. Well, I think they struggle. I mean, I know even, you know, Trump said this. And look, we, I've said this many times, you know, I became friends with Trump's sons way before he was in politics. You know, we went duck hunting and. They're hunters, yeah.

Yeah, they're hunters. But I think their family struggles with this idea on why, you know, half the religious world doesn't vote. And so I remember explaining that. I was like, look, you got to remember. We believe we're a country ourselves, you know, the spirit of Christ. We're just kind of visiting the planet. So we're not going to really fret about it. Now, me personally, I vote, you know, people like, Sophe.

that spent 24 years in the military and you look at all the people that have given their lives so we can be free, which is a rare commodity to be a human on earth and experience freedom if you go back to the beginning of humanity. And so I'm thankful. I'm going to vote to whichever side that I feel like best represents, you know, what I do from a hunting standpoint, from a family standpoint, but from a godly principle. Oh, live standpoint. Yeah, exactly. There's some things I could never vote for. And that's one thing, like the killing of innocent babies.

I'm never going to be for that whatsoever. Having said that, that was an amendment that was on a lot of states. And unfortunately, it passed in a lot of states. It didn't in Florida, but it almost did. And so I do think- far as the first state with one of those amendments that actually went the other way. It did, but they had to have 60% of the vote. I think they had 58, which shows you more than half, even though I think DeSantis did a decent job from what I've heard.

I never researched the rabbit hole of discussing it. Because somebody like me, I'm like, there's a lot of things we could do to prevent unplanned pregnancies, to even when people, you know, a woman finds herself pregnant, there's, I think the church should rise up. If you don't want your baby, let's not kill the baby. Let's walk alongside. Let's give them life, you know. Hey, let him be born and then that some couple that cannot have children adopt him.

Exactly. We're for human. To be fair, the church has stepped up. I mean, there's so many people that are waiting on to adopt. children. I think that I actually think the church has stepped up. And I think that there are enough people who would adopt children. There's a waiting line. I mean, go try to, it costs 50 grand to do a private adoption. I mean, it's insane. I mean, like, there's a line out the door of people who want to adopt children. So I do think that the church has stepped up. And I do think that there has been a

massive, massive, massive undertaking over the last 15 years of people stepping in to adopt children and bring these children into their families. The problem is one of the biggest problems is policy, and it is the system. Right now, and this has just happened yesterday, but we have a child that we've been involved with, and I'm not going to get in too much detail here, but the bureaucracy is not for the welfare of the child. You have to remember that. They are more concerned about the rights of the mother and the parent than they are

with the well-being of the child. And that is actually integrated in these foster care movements and systems. And so, like, we need God's people. This is why policy matters because we need God's people in those places. We need God's people in these parts of culture shaping policies that actually care about the welfare of children over the rights of someone else. The child has to come first. And this blows my mind. that over and over again we see this.

And so these policies do matter. And I think that there is a kingdom ethic in all of this. Well, even the framing of it, Zach, I mean, think about the phrase reproductive rights. That's so inaccurate. Reproduction has already happened. We're not talking about the right for reproduction. They come up with these little phrases.

But they always shifted. That's my point. It's always to shift away from what it really is about. And Zach is right. It's about a child. And look, it's about a young woman. and a young man was in the mix somewhere, that obviously they weren't planning on this.

They should have been planning on this. It's easily planable, but they weren't. And so now we've got a situation, but you're right. Let us help the situation. We want to help the situation. We want to help this child. We have people that want to raise the child if you can.

Oh, and I'll validate what Zach said, because I've also been involved in that world. And the reason we're not getting into specifics, because we're still protecting these kids. You know, I don't want to put it out there, you know, their whole life. But I noticed the same thing. It's like you have these policies and it's viewed toward the woman. This is after the kid is born.

You're like, what about this kid? You know, things are happening that you wouldn't do if it was your kid. Right. Oh, it's crazy. Yeah. Hey, Jace, when I was in Louisiana, I can say this because I'll speak to Louisiana. We were foster parents in the state of Louisiana. And when we went through the training, this is what they said.

I mean, and it was like this is the, this was the core of the entire training is you have to understand this one thing, that the goal is reunification with the parent. And I was just like, raised my hand, like, but what if the parents unfit? What if the parents on fentanyl? What if the parent is abusive? And the goal is reunification with the parent. I'm like, that's a horrible goal. That is a horrible goal. The goal should be what is in the best interest of the child?

It's called child welfare. So what isn't the, what is in the best interest of the child? But this is the system that we're dealt with. And I think it's all kind of linked all together. Carl Truman calls it, he talks about certain philosophies. He calls them death works in his book,

Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self. And I think that's what it, what all this kind of, when it bleeds out into the, the to the tentacles that the tentacles that reached out to the end of society that we see, it looks like death works. And so you see a kid who's two years old and he's been in and out of the foster care system and has a foster parents who would love to adopt him, but they can't adopt

him until he's maybe six years. But they raise him until he's six years old. And then the mother maybe finally gets her life somewhat right. And then they rip that kid out of the home where he's stable, putting back in the home with his mother, only to be. taken out again and this goes back and forth to the kid eventually ends up in a children's home and it's and these stories are like I mean over and over and over again and I know this is not what we were talking about the election but I think that these decisions we make do have downstream

consequences that we have to think about no no but you're I'm glad I'm glad we're talking about this oh yeah I was just going to say that was one of the things that came out of this I thought we still got work to do we need to have those conversations with people. And like you said, I mean, there's these little slogans that like, oh, we're saving women's lives and, you know, protecting

reproductive rights. And I thought, but somebody has died in both of those slogans. Well, no, no. Because the thing about it when you talk about rights, okay, the child has no right. Obviously. No, no, that's why I'm saying. That's what's wrong

with that situation. Yeah, I heard a little banter. Okay, this is, this is, This is innocent. The Bible says it's innocent of blood. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Which Zach said death works.

That's what I thought. I always say death cult because the idea is, and look, this has been around for thousands of years. The idea that people are sacrificed who are defenseless. And they've been doing this since Molek and way back in the old days, which lets you know this is of the evil one. This is where we go upstream of politics again. The evil one can only be behind something that's so dark. Biblical the innocent. Yeah.

I mean, it has to be the evil one. Well, I think Jesus set this tone for us in, you know, when we did the earlier podcast, and I talked about the passage where, you know, Jesus was kind of in the political trap when they said, you know, should we pay taxes to Caesar? You remember that conversation? Yeah. We can get the scripture efforts if someone will. Render to Caesar what is Caesar's.

That's what he said. And we talked about that on that podcast. podcast, but Mark 12. I think it's in Mark 12. It's in a little place called. It's a little place called Mark 12. But in that moment, it did what the Bible does. I mean, you have Romans 13. I mean, Jesus was saying, yeah, he basically was saying, give, give this money to a corrupt power here. And they were corrupt. Yeah, they weren't. And they weren't just corrupt. They were also hostile to the movement of the way. So, I mean, but then he said, and they made the ultimate decision, by the way, for Christ to be executed. Yeah. I mean, it was one of their representatives.

But then he said, but let me, y'all are hijacking my point, but then he said, but give to God what is God's. And the reason it was so brilliant, it's because when you think of the purpose of government that he set up all throughout the Bible, he's like, I made this happen. We submit to the governing authorities. Even Romans 13, can you imagine a house church being in Rome? They're reading through Paul's letter. Hey, we just got this letter in, you know,

and we're going through. We're talking about sin. We're like, yes, you know, God's going to, God's people's going to be victorious. And there's wrath coming for those who don't follow him and all the injustices. And he gets to what we have in Christ and Rome. Roman 6, this beautiful picture of reenacting Jesus' death, barrel, and resurrection, and you

surrender into Christ. But you get to Romans 13, then it's like, wait a minute, we're supposed to submit to this government. The one that's coming after us? Yeah, in Romans 13, the current. Because they were probably saying, we're the resistance. Yeah. And so that's what I was going to say when Jesus said that about, yes, you give to Caesar

what is, Caesar's, pay your taxes. but you give to God what is God's. There is resistance that comes with being a child of God. But it's not the resistance in the way and think the passage where he says the weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. I mean, you're never going to see me in a political situation with a gun going toward anybody at any time.

I'm not going to do that. Because I look at what Jesus laid out, even when he talked to Pilate and had that conversation, He's like, the only reason you're able to do this is because God gave you, we're allowing you to do this. Which, what was the result of that? Well, they killed him. Yeah. And so, and that happened with all of Jesus' followers.

They were, they resisted when it came to some things as far as what God instituted, which is what I'm proposing about abortion. I'm like, I'm never going to be for that because I know God is against that. In fact, Proverbs 6 says he hates that, the shedding of innocent blood. I don't know. Well, that early church was the reason why they were slaughtered by the Roman Empire was not because they claimed Jesus' Lord. It was because they would not proclaim Caesar's Lord. Well, exactly.

But that's what I'm saying. They resisted in humility and sacrifice. But they paid their taxes. But they paid their bill. You know what? They sent the money to a corrupt government that was going to use that money for corrupt things. and Paul's point, or Jesus's the point is, give to Caesar what's Caesar's, but give to God's what's God's. And I think that through that obedience and through that kingdom trajectory and that kingdom emphasis,

that's what turned the world upside down. And that's, it really did. We read the book of Acts and we're here 2,000 years later because of that. So I think that it's important, you know, for people who are believers, even if you're celebrating a victory here today, don't conflate the Republican victory with the kingdom of God. That's not, it's not the same thing. The kingdom of God has something to say about politics, but we're on a different trajectory. I know that sometimes it bends people the wrong way, but it's just true.

And so, like, we can be excited or whatever, but there is a bigger thing going on here. Well, but Jesus has really told you, though, okay, in any circumstance, hey, you do what's right. And then, hey, I'll deal with the person like, you give money to somebody. Okay. You've done what you're supposed to do. Okay. If he misuses that money, because like giving it to a charity,

they're supposed to be spent on something. Okay. And somebody else takes it and spends it on vacation. Okay. You've done your part. In other words, you do what's right in all situations. And then got to take care of somebody just doing it wrong.

And I want to revisit that what you said, Zach, because we had decided to come on this morning and do a same-day podcast and we didn't know who was going to win. So our message would have been the same. Had Harris won, we would have been saying the same thing about the text and about what, you know, we wouldn't say,

oh, now we've got to be the resistance. We would be saying, okay, God's teaching us something. I mean, you know, it's a hard lesson. No, what I would have said. It's going to be four tough years to watch the news in the state of the union. But you know what? I'm still an American.

I'm not, you know, I'm not. Well, what I'll look at, you got to look at this like a business, okay? You buy a business, okay? You own, you're the owner, okay? That would be, you know, like then you go in and start just berating and just doing everything against your employees. You wouldn't do that. That'd be sheer stupidity. Okay.

You would, you know, yeah, because that's why I said, okay, look, The election is over, we've chosen. Now, here's what we're supposed to do, okay? We're supposed to get on board and help him do his job. Yeah, as an American. Yeah, as an American, that's our responsibility. We're supposed to help the president of the United States, hey, with his leading of this nation.

He's our leader. We've said that by our votes. Well, hey, then, hey, get on board and do what you. you're supposed to do. Yeah. Be a worker for this. And if I'm not mistaken, you spent 24 and a half years

in the United States Army defending our right to do just that. Well, no, no. I mean, you and a lot of other people. Oh, yeah. Made a lot of sacrifice. Because you don't understand. Y'all brought it up earlier, okay?

But folks, there's a lot of people that have gave limbs and life that we have the right to vote. Yes. Okay, we have the right to be free. Well, look, Don't fight our leader. Get on board and help him make this nation greater again.

But I'd caveat, if he or any leader is doing something that you think is not right, then we do have a responsibility to try to influence the process and move. Well, that was my whole point. We submit yet resist. I mean, maybe I should read the Romans 13. Yeah, I had to turn to it just to do just that. Well, go ahead and read it now. So everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities,

for there is no authority except that which God has established. So which is exactly what Paul is restating what Jesus said about the paid to Caesar or Caesar. Then he said this. Consequently, he's going to go deeper. He who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted. And those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. Now, that's a pretty heavy statement. No, no, no.

It's not going to turn out well for you, as what he's saying. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right. So the judgment is going to be end times, what sounds like to me. But those who do wrong, do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right, and he will commend you, for he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities not only because of possible punish it.

And here's the key is what Seisman's saying, but also because of conscience. This is why you pay taxes for the authorities who are God's servants who give their full time to governing, give everyone what you owe him. You owe taxes, pay taxes. Revenue, revenue, respect, respect, honor, then honor. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty clear. But still at the same time. And that was a corruptus.

We're a holy nation within a nation. So my allegiance is always going to be to the king of kings. But we still function within this and do the best we can. I'm real tempted just as an American to look at the financial issues, the political issues. I mean, I'm in the business world. I run my own portfolio. So it's real tempting for me to engage. Like, in my opinion, that when Kamala Harris, when she, just in some of her speeches or in some of her past,

when she made statements about the financial world, I thought, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard. And, of course, you've never heard me speak about that because I'm more concerned about the godly impacts and how that's going to affect our ability to share Jesus. That's why when you're at the wrong rally statement, stirred my heart way more than when she said, I'm for taxing unrealized gains. Now, for y'all who are not maybe in the stock market and the business world. I picked that up there.

Look, the idea of doing that should disqualify you for being in charge of anything that has to do with finance. with finance in America. Because it is so stupid. It's basically like you are playing a poker game, and every time there's a pot, they're taking all the money. And you look up,

and you're like, even though you're winning, there's no money here because the house is raked. The house has raked the pot. The stock market does not go up and, you know, straight up. It goes up and down. And every time you're not even realizing the game, by selling it, They're taking the money out.

So when the market goes down, well, now not only do you have less money, you don't have the money that you would have had. You did have. It was up. It just, to me, that was, like, so stupid that I thought, okay, you should be disqualified, which I've only heard one pundit talk about that. But anyway, I'm making a point as tempting as that is. That's why you should have your own show on Fox Business.

But deep down, I really know that money is not going to bring. you that joy that that sigh was talking about i mean even jesus himself you know this guy come up and it's like i'll follow you wherever you go and he's like go sell everything you have well he wasn't you know literally meaning i want you just be dead broke but he was saying you've put your faith in money how much money you have in the wrong thing and in the big picture the heavenly kingdom eternal life that's the wrong place to put all your hopes and dreams i mean things happen I've got the name of your new show, Bulls, Bears, and Beards. I'll say this, though.

I actually think that, and I think a lot of this came out of the Reformation Movement, and I believe this to be true, that Christ does have, he has something to say about our economic policies. I really believe he does. I mean, how much economics did he put into his parables? I was just, I was saying big picture, small picture. I'm saying when I sit down with a person is I'm going to share Jesus. And, you know, I'm concerned about all these issues, but he's the king of kings. Yeah, he's the king of kings.

But as one theologian said that Christ is Lord of all or he's not Lord at all, and someone else said that there's not one square inch of the entire world that Christ does not declare mine. And so I think, and I believe that. So I think that when we proclaim Jesus, it's not just proclaiming Jesus when it comes to, and I have air quotes, spiritual issues. Jesus is also king of the physical world. And so he is king of our economics. He is king of how we set up governments. And so there is something to be said about that.

Now, with that being said, I think that what I believe to be true about how we should set it up is 100% correct. But I know it's not, right? It's correct until I realize it it's not. I think what I would love to see happen is more of a culture that allows us to have a discussion and have robust discussion. Because we all agree, for example, that Christ calls the church to care for the poor. The question we need to have, we need to debate that. We do need to debate, what does that mean? What is the best way to lift people out of poverty?

Is that through social welfare programs? or is that through some market-based solution, or is that through the church coming in with number, I mean, or a combination of all three. Let's have that discussion, but also retain the right, and I want to retain the right to be able to call foul on both sides,

even my own side. I think that we need more intellectual honesty inside of our own movement to say, hey, whoa, that's not in line with the spirit of what the kingdom is calling us to. And we need to be able to have that discussion in our house and I hope that's what's going to happen out of this you know you know I hope that we can continue that trajectory I keep hitting on the point and and Jesus is is you know when you say okay he's the king of kings and lord of lords okay that should be that should be it

Jesus is everything yeah okay that's why he says okay here's one for you it's better to give than receive. Okay. Most people, if you've never given anything, you have no idea of the joy you receive when you give to somebody out of just the goodness of your heart. You've got it and you give it to somebody and you see the light come on in their light.

Okay, because they needed it. Yeah. Okay. And really you didn't, you know, that's why what makes a great leader? Yeah. I'll tell you what makes a great leader. He's a servant.

Yeah. Okay. He's always looking out for the other guy. Yeah. Okay. He's always giving. Well, that's the problem with leadership.

And that's what's wrong with our world. That's why I said, hey, look, the election's over. We've voted. We've put him in office. Now, hey, let's do what we're supposed to do.

Let's get behind him and stand with him and let's see what we can make. make what how much better we can make this yeah well I saw a good I sent y'all this uh I don't know if y'all listened to it but I heard a good sermon on basically the name of it was the controversial Jesus Jesus in politics this was ironically by a guy named John Tyson who is from Australia I think he's been here in America longer than he was in Australia but uh he he attacked this and I thought he had a really good point. It's a lot more biblical and you may not agree with you know every little jot and tittle of it but I think it was a really good just 30,000 feet view

of how to be a Christian when it comes to politics. Of course he started with the same verse I started with when Jesus was saying give to Caesar what is Caesar's book to God what is God. But when he got to Romans 13, kind of like we did, he was like, you got to remember all these people griping about being in America. Just think if we, you know, we're somewhere else. I mean, you start going to some of these other countries? Yeah. Because we, you know, we griping and complain. Like, go do a tour of some of the countries out there and see how bad it could be. But they don't really have an election and decide. But he came up with two lists at the end. And I encourage you to listen to that. He did this three or four years ago. It was it based on the election.

But, uh, and he put, what is the purpose of government, which we've already read that God instituted it. And he had five things. Order, justice, virtue, which even that virtue, he stopped because you think about it. There wasn't some accountability or some authority. Well, this place would just be whoever's got the biggest stick. Oh yeah. And I get it. Oh, my time is really bad here, but at least we have government agency saying, hey, that's wrong, we're going to lock you up. So order justice, virtue, prosperity, and safety. I mean, those are all good things. That's what we need to have a thriving

society, which is the purpose of the government. But then he had another list that said, well, how, you know, is the Christian contribution to this? And so we have a... a vision of, you know, human dignity based on the word of God. So which is able, it allows us to look at things that we can get behind when it comes to godly dignity type things. We have the ultimate definition of how you should treat people, which is a lot of some of the things that I said. But another one was the same things Zach said a while ago, which is number two,

we have a concern for the poor and the vulnerable. Well, that's what Jesus was all about. I mean, in his ministry, he was people falling through the cracks from health care issues to demonic, to taking on religious corruption and power, which is the third thing, because we're suspicious of the human nature and sinful behavior. And we call that out. We offer resistance to that. And then we have responsibility to the other, like just what I just got these saying about, we're not looking at how can they help me it's more you know what how can i contribute

because you have to have people that are willing to serve and the last thing is our christian uh you know contribution to politics and all how can we bring out the power and favor of god in our society of course we do that through the proclamation of jesus so anything from a government that towards that it's not that we're going to shrink back from that it just means that we might have to endure the resistance because we're not going to stop sharing Jesus and we're not going to bow down to any authority above him ultimately. So if someone tries to thwart to it, that's how they got killed. They were like, quit saying Jesus is Lord and say Caesar's Lord. If you don't, we're going to kill you. But because of the resurrection, they, since they had seen it with

their own eyes, they all said to the man and to the woman, I would rather be dead than deny that Jesus Christ came back from the dead because I saw it. Because at the end of the day, you may kill me, but guess what? I'll be back. Which is exactly why I think that, so I talked about a servant leader, I said back in July, when Donald Trump was standing in a field and he looked a certain way in able. bullet literally whiz so close to his brain

that it clipped his ear and then he said in the moment that he was still going to fight the cause I said in that moment this man will be the next president now you know I'm not Nostradamus I'm not a prophet or son of a private but I knew the man had a fight in him

that he was not going to quit well but it also made him reflect on his relationship I think it's going to make him a better sir that that and not only that at that moment like I was talking about, okay, you know, when I've seen all these smear ads, it was talked about him and everything else. When that moment happened,

I said one thing. When he says, hey, I'm going to try to make America great again. Donald Trump loves this United States of America. There's no doubt in my mind. They've done tried to kill him twice. Okay. And all he's doing is, hey, he come up after he got his ear clip. and was talking about fight.

Okay, so hey. That's stirring. I have to say, all right. Hey, that gives me chill bunks, okay? The man has been, they've tried to kill him for crying out loud. Well, that's when I knew, whatever was going to happen, he was going to be the next president. So two things I want to mention and close him. Side's always good to have you on unashamed, especially a special podcast like today.

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