Unblinded with Sean Callagy - From Celebrity Agent to Recovery: Darren Prince’s Untold Story with Sean Callagy

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

In this episode of Unblinded, Sean Callagy sits down with Darren Prince for a raw and powerful conversation about addiction, recovery, identity, and the unseen battles behind success. Darren opens up about his journey from representing some of the biggest names in sports and entertainment to facing his own personal struggles with addiction—and ultimately finding a path to freedom and purpose.This episode goes far beyond business and influence. It dives into the emotional weight of living a double life, the cost of unresolved pain, and the courage it takes to confront truth. Darren shares how recovery reshaped his perspective on success, relationships, and self-worth, while Sean unpacks the deeper patterns behind behavior, influence, and transformation. This is a conversation about redemption, awareness, and what it really means to take control of your life.Timestamps00:00 – Introduction: Darren Prince and the Power Behind the Story02:12 – Life at the Top: Working with Elite Athletes and Celebrities07:35 – The Hidden Struggle: Addiction Behind Success13:48 – Living a Double Life and Emotional Suppression20:10 – The Breaking Point: When Everything Catches Up26:55 – Entering Recovery: The First Step Toward Change34:20 – Identity Shift: Who You Are Without the Mask41:05 – The Role of Pain, Trauma, and Awareness48:30 – Rebuilding Life with Honesty and Discipline55:12 – Influence, Environment, and Staying on Track1:02:18 – Faith, Purpose, and Finding Meaning Beyond Success1:09:40 – Helping Others: Turning Pain into Service1:16:25 – Lessons on Self-Control, Boundaries, and Growth1:23:10 – Final Reflections: Ownership, Truth, and FreedomEpisode HighlightsDarren Prince’s journey from high-profile agent to recovery advocateThe reality of addiction hidden behind success and statusHow unresolved pain drives destructive behaviorThe moment everything changes—and why it mattersRebuilding identity after losing everythingThe importance of environment and accountabilityFaith, purpose, and long-term transformationTurning personal struggle into impact and serviceKey Quotes“You can have everything on the outside and still be broken on the inside.”“Recovery isn’t just about quitting—it’s about becoming someone new.”“The truth will cost you everything… but it will give you your life back.”“Your environment will either heal you or destroy you.”Final NoteIf you are navigating success but still feel empty, overwhelmed, or out of control, this conversation is your reminder that what’s happening internally matters more than what’s seen externally. Take a moment to reflect, share it with someone who needs it, and choose honesty over comfort.

Polkogan, Magic Johnson, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Pamela Anderson, David Goggins, Jevi Chas. The list goes on and on. And if this man that was classified in special education in the great state of New Jersey, if he could do it, why can't you? I felt like Superman. I was on top of the world. I felt just as smart, just as popular, just as good looking.

I never had this feeling before my life short. And I found that I was taking a look at Demerl. I was in a sleepaway camp, 14 years old. So 14 years old. you become a successful entrepreneur. By 19, Darren Prince sells his first business for $1 million. How'd you do that? My dad sat me down.

He said words. That changed my life forever and gave me belief. But I've noticed something with your brain with numbers. That's mesmerizing that none's going to happen. And we're going to tap into that so he can become a success. Muhammad starts doing the legendary font. He does start fighting the bottom lip. And he looks at Joe at the other.

He goes, Girola. But then Joe was like smiling at that smirk. That's when he just dropped it. And he hit him with, man, we just made up back there. I'm gonna have to kick your ass again for a fourth bite. And Muhammad literally starts spitting his food out. He was lapping so hard. I think Hulk was the one that humbled me.

I was down in Clearwater Beach. And he looks at me. It could say on my shoulder, brother. These people still treat me like, I'm heavily a champ of the world. And that's a blessing. I think authenticity involved. vulnerability is truly a superpower.

You know, I'm always talking about getting to the top, but never being fulfilled. And you and I got to the top, but we know how to be fulfilled. We know it's not always about being at the top, it's about getting others there. Hey, Sean Caligy here with the Unblinded Podcast, where we help you see what you may not see, but exponentially growing your money, time, your magic with heart and integrity. And we have a miraculous master in the building today. And take Nicole Malo, who's here? Imagine a world where legends are built under the brightest light.

And then imagine the rarer figure. The one those legends trust when the lights go out. A kid from New Jersey didn't just dream of greatness. He earned his way into the inner circles of icons, Muhammad Ali, Magic Johnson, Hulk Hogan. but hear this clearly. He wasn't there as a fan. He became the man they relied on, the man they trusted,

the man who stood beside greatness as part of what sustained it. Because while the world saw champions, they saw Darren Prince. And that distinction is everything. Over $500 million deals. Decades representing some of the most iconic figures on the planet and even invited to the White House to help shape the conversation around the opioid crisis because access like that isn't given.

It's earned through character, through trust, through becoming the kind of man, legend, truth to keep clues. And like every true icon, his path wasn't easy. He faced adversity and he rose. Today he is more than one of the most respected agents in the world. He is a leader in recovery, a voice of truth, an author, and a force for good. because true greatness isn't who you stand next to, it's who you become,

and how many lives are better because of it. Thus welcome to the Sean Caligian Blinded Podcast, a man trusted by icon, respected as their peer, the one, the only Darren Prince. Let's see for Darren Prince, ladies and gentlemen. My brother. Do you know that guy, that guy, Darren Prince, that we're talking about? Like, how does that feel to be that person?

And we have so much to cover today. I just want to give you a couple of headlines, like the power of identity and fame, recovery, why people make choices they do to feel better. For you, value everywhere today with an icon working with icons. But my brother, how does that feel to have that be you? I mean, I'm, you know, I was thinking as she was speaking probably, you know, 18, 19 years before I got sober, it would have really been a great ego boost. But the more she kept walking, it's just my gratitude. too towards God and the fact that, you know, he humbled me for the right reasons because,

you know, I'm always talking about getting to the top, but never being fulfilled, that there's a lot of people out there that live in that frequency. And you and I got to the top, but we know how to be fulfilled. We know it's not always about being at the top. It's about getting others there, taking others to the journey of life to be the best step. Amen, my brother. how to tell you forward. Amen, my brother. And for everybody, this is the first time you're listening. Like, oh, like why?

Like a hypey intro? It's not a hypey intro. It's the truth. Because, and this is like the perfect context for Darren Prince today, to appreciate and understand this. The things, the wisdom, the advice that some people gave you, maybe your grandmother, grandfather, maybe your mother, father, maybe it's your child, brother, sister,

aunt, uncle, it doesn't land the same way as when it comes from people who've achieved things that feel impossible or at least aspirational for you. So these introductions are so you can understand what these people have done. But if Darren Prince stands for anything, I love your comments on this, it is the distinction of humility and not false modesty. He promotes some of the most impactful humans in the world that he's one of those people himself and also he's a humble man.

But the humility doesn't change the fact that he knows who Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Hulk Hogan, David Goggins, Magic Johnson, He understands and appreciates the doors, their identity, and accomplishments open. So more to come on that topic for today. But you're such a humble man. And you've been through a ton of your life. What does humility mean to you? And why do you believe it's so essentially a foundation?

Before we get to fame and impact and identity, let's talk about humility. And what does it mean to you, Darren? I mean, for me, I think it's everything. I think when I fell on my knees on July 2nd, 2008, screamed out to God to take the notoriety, the business, the money, that all I needed was a single day of freedom. And if he takes me out of my own personal health from my opioid addiction, that I would go back into hell one day at a time and take others out. And I think there was just a shift in me in that very moment where the ego was crushed. Because I think ego comes from

a place of unresolved trauma in a lot of us. I think ego comes from a place of insecurity. I think ego comes from place of needing instant validation for some unresolved wounds that we all have. We're all healing our own life. And I think once you can get into place of humility, you're almost bulletproof of being, like, immune to getting wrapped into that. Look at me. Look at you. Look at what I've accomplished. It's not about that.

Well, so my brother, let's take it from the beginning quickly. So 14 years old, you become a successful entrepreneur. By 19, Darren Prince sells his first business for $1 million. Kid from New Jersey, and we're talking 19, late 80s. Is that tracking, right? Late 80s. A million dollars then is a lot more than a million dollars today, and it'd still be an incredible accomplishment today.

But how, and we're going to put this to the prism of the unblinded formula in a minute, But in there, in your words, how'd you do that? Of course, hard work. Of course, caring about people being good to people, but you had to have some how-to strategy involved. And from your heart, how'd you do that? I mean, my father was incredibly impactful on my life back then, and I had a moment with an introdive business teacher

where giving a little bit more about my back story. You know, I was in small classrooms growing up special ed and had a lot of anxiety. And most of my friends were in the bigger classrooms. So when I got home after school, shown during the day, it wasn't about homework. It was about immersing myself in the little to baseball courts. That was almost like my therapy.

And I studied all the players, knew all the stats. And after this introed business teacher challenged us to go in the creative business. I had one in my mind. I just never executed it. Everything was in shoeboxes, with prices and what they were worth. And my father challenged me and said, well, he goes, who's going to buy these things? And I had a newspaper ad in the less sister tribute. which still exists in Levingston, about a car show was happening two weeks.

Oddly enough, Stephen Simon, you know, runs Prince Markin Group with me, is here with us. Even though in since we were 10, we decided to split a table for $10 each. And I went in as if with that troncaly in my sense, as if I was training for the Olympics. He just wanted to come along and have fun. So I spent two weeks every single day and made over $1,000 on that Sunday afternoon. And that was at the light bulb on my mind. my dad said, my dad sat me down, he said words that changed my life forever and gave me belief. He's like, I understand your friends, most of them think this way, their brains work with

this way, but I've noticed something with your brain with numbers that's mesmerizing that none of them have. And we're going to tap into that so you could become a success. All right. So your dad had an enormous impact. He would later suggest that you write aiming high when it's all becomes clear. We'll get to that in a little bit. So, Darren, though, teachers, special ed classes, how was that educational model? Were there people putting limitations on you? Did you feel limited in the traditional educational model, or did you have great support systems from the teachers around you?

What was that like in that educational model before you had this breakout entrepreneurial success? That one teacher that intruder business teacher, Elliot Lovic, to this day is a dear friend. fact when my mother passed away in November of 24 and you and your teen came to her funeral, the teacher was at the funeral and he was sitting right behind you. I remember specifically looking out when they did the eulogy. And that's how much he impacted my life and tells me every time they see each other that there was a point where late teens you wanted to become an agent. And I said, somebody has to do it. And I said, no, I'm not smart. I don't think I could do it in that one.

Wow. And what type of diagnoses were being thrown at you and how were you receiving them? How was your family receiving them? Like what was the environment around you? The words were cruel back then. I mean, there was no social media, but obviously idiot. I was the dumb one. I was the one that was verbally bullied.

I don't think they understood what ADD was, attention deficit disorder. Because my father also knows. knows that was something I took interest in. I excelled better than anybody else. And, you know, when I look back at it, so not to get too much into it now, but, you know, that sort of emotional abuse from teachers, not getting the support from friends and the teachers isolated in small classrooms making me feel less than everybody else. That's why drugs came into play. They feel whole. And so, because, Darren, the value of this, I would hope for some,

is maybe there's a 15, a 20, a 25, a 30, a 35 of 40, a 45 or 40, 45 or 50, 55 or 60, and if you're any of those ages or in your 70s, and you're sitting here, and you've never come to grips with some of the trauma of classification, bullying, framing, this man did, and he created arguably the greatest reunion in sports history or American sports history, one of the greatest unions in just cultural history. And this man had many of those things that you've been told about yourself, by teachers, by friends, maybe even your family. And Darren, what would you say to anybody from 15 to 75 who had some of those same traumas

about their ability to get to a remarkable place? And not just to move through addiction, but to actually achieve impact and success in the world, please. Yeah, I think it's never too late to change your present and change your future. You know, we're not what our past is, whether it was a teacher, a mother, father, sister brother, relationship, job, career, whatever it could have been. There's only so much that, you know, if you could start at the past. I always say, like, yesterday's history, tomorrow's a mystery, today's the present, to provide equality gift. and it's the ones that go deep into that, you know, healing of meditation and mindset work and not pointing fingers, just booning the situation and leaving it exactly where it is

to become your higher self. Yeah. And if you, you know, on the title aiming high, and obviously there's a number of different ways you're referring to that, what would you say is a mindset principle foundationally for the people listening out there, and I've had those challenges, and maybe in people who haven't, if you had one mindset sentence to give to people, if you could install it inside of them, what would that be? One mindset sentence. I am enough. I think that's where, you know, most people doubt themselves. They don't know if they can do it. They feel a prisoner of the past, and I think

just constantly repeating to yourself, you are enough. And words of affirmation are very, very powerful. And I thank you for everybody. I have a personal relationship with Darren. We do a lot together. I don't easily use the word friend. I call Darren a friend. I love him as beautiful fiance and the impact in the world this man creates. And the very podcast you're watching has been consistently now ranked number one, number two, an Apple business podcast. It would never be here without a couple people, but Darren Prince is one of those folks. We've had Magic Johnson on this podcast, Charlie Sheen, Ralph Machio, many others that are associated to this man and many more to come, and massive, massive gratitude. So I just want to thank you on a personal level, Darren,

for everything you've done to make this what it is and the impact you've had in my life, because while I've had the blessing and privilege of never struggling with drugs or alcohol substances, you know, you do feel like, wait, who am I to be interviewing Magic Johnson, might be sitting down now with Ralph Machia, the karate kid. So we all had that struggle and challenge. And I couldn't agree more with this brother. You are enough. Darren's enough. I'm enough. We're all enough. And we all struggle with that challenge, including some of these iconic names that we've shared a moment ago. But first, let's step into this journey that at some point, a desire to feel better comes into your life. We all have that desire. We all want to feel better.

And what were some of the choices you were making that were positive in ways to feel better? entrepreneurship was one of them, and some of the ways that negative choices of how to feel better came into your life, Darren. Well, it's a double-edged sword with drugs, especially opiates, because, you know, opiates become a superpower at a certain point where it allowed me to feel so free and so unstoppable and so confident in certain environments. But then when I'd be home at night or after a long trip or, you know, in my home, wherever I might have been by myself in my own head, I was back into a prison that I had no idea how he's going to escape this cycle. I tell people often, Sean,

I wasn't a bad person, I was a sick person, always trying to get better. There was never any like ill, will or evil to me, even when opportunities become my way. I always practice magic and my dad told me about paying it forward and blessing everything else. I just had a lot of stuff that I had a, you know, work to until I got there. And where was the beginning? What was the first choice that took you down that path? So it would have been July 1st, 2008. And again, I'm going to mention Steve because he was there. No, I mean going down the path of addiction. Oh, addiction in the first place, or even using, like how, yeah. So as far as the using, I was in sleepaway camp, 14 years old. I had terrible stomach pains one night. And the counsel had took me to see the nurse.

I took this green cloth syrup type of liquid and it tasted terrible. Within five minutes, every inadequacy went away. I'm walking back to the bunk. I felt like Superman. I was on top of the world. I felt just as smart, just as popular, just as good looking. I'm now the talkative one at the bunk. All the guys are landing with me.

I started learning with the girls in the bunk next to me. I never had this feeling before in my life short. So I look up the next day, did all the activities and see if we can. And I learned how to lie in Kahn. And that very next night, I healed it over in the bunk because I wanted the couch to take me to the infirmary. So went out for three weeks until my mom and dad came out for visitation day.

And I found that I was taking liquid demoral. Wow. So for everyone out there, I want to ask Darren this next, but we can choose different ways to feel better and feel worse. And we all want to feel more confident. We all want to feel more,

We all want to feel stronger and more powerful, more loving, more abundant, more generous. And what I'm hearing from me, Darren, and I've never done a drug in my life. I thank God for the blessing of that. But what I'm hearing is the great challenge is people don't know how to get that. And it's so accessible in the beginning through substances. I'm hearing that correctly. Absolutely. And now more than ever.

And so for folks that if you can go back and talk to you. a 14-year-old, to talk to your 14-year-old self, not just saying, hey, like say no to drugs, like Nancy Reagan style, but if we're sitting there, we do want those positive feelings. What would you suggest to people would be that pathway? And what do you do now to feel better instead? I think it just needs to be more of an open conversation. You know, I've definitely noticed some influencers and some prominent famous people talking about their own struggles. I think authenticity and vulnerability is truly a superpower. You know, I look at what it's done for me and the amount of people I've benefited out. I also think a quick fix for a lot of

people when we're stuck in our own head and it's a vibration and frequency you and I live by is I think the more we serve other people. I think the more we get out of our own head and help lift other people up, help other organizations, you know, just get out of that noise between our two ears, it's a phenomenal fix to build a real self-esteem, real self-worth, real self-love, peace and fulfillment. And I think we might share another really bizarre behavior that could be helpful for people, and if I'm wrong, just please tell me I'm wrong, but do I remember hearing that you were at this incredible mansion party out in the Hamptons and you might have disappeared under a table

to do something? Am I remembering this correctly? Yeah. Yeah. And what was that something? So, um, was that, was that with my ammo experience? Yeah. Yeah.

I just, I mean, you know, I was just out of my mind, just the behavior of what was going on. And I was, you know, I think I was on steroids and all jacked off then and always wanted entertain a detention on me and I took my shirt off and started doing push-ups and entertained people. And I mean, but there were so many experiences like that. You know, and I laugh at it to my guy friends now, um, you remember. all the great night of your lives. But anybody that's here recording,

your production team, when we talk about the best nights of our lives in that moment, that next day you wake up with your friends or whatever your crew was, you don't remember any of this greatest night of your lives. You cannot sit here and tell me I remember the top life.

So do you still do push-ups? Do you still put in door-funching of life? But not publicly. Yes. Taking your shirt off. Yeah. Yeah. So how in, so this is so fascinating to me because when people ask me like, why don't you drink? Why don't you do drugs? And they're like, wow, you must be really disciplined. I'm like, no, no, no. I just hate feeling bad. Like, and so I'm very present to what's going to happen afterwards. And I just don't like that feeling. I really despise it. And I love the feeling. And I did this before we got together today. I did ellipticals. I did push ups. I'm. Six sets in of push-ups today not to feel cool and to look cool, but to feel better.

So if I can ask, doing push-ups, putting endorphins in your body, for those that really have some challenges with substances, or for those that might just drink a lot of coffee or smoke a whole bunch, how does that feel comparatively? And I'm sure it's not the same thing as, you know, I don't think give me the crack, but an opioid, there's a certain incredible how you can get. But how might the point. putting of endorphins into one's body, be able to be, it's certainly more effective later,

but how about just even the short run for feeling better? How close can you get by putting adorphins in your body to some of those feelings of confidence and strength and love and fun and humor? Any thoughts? It's super important. I mean, not just in your detox phase. I had to make sure I was hitting a gym twice a day during the detox phase on top of my 12-step spiritual meetings. But to this day, Sean, I mean, I'm 70 and a half years sober, and I'm in the gym six days a week.

I'm jumping rope when I can't make it to the gym. I'm doing body weight squats, push-ups, sit-ups, you know, whatever it is that I need to do. I think in general, anybody that's struggling with anything, mental health-wise, depression, substance abuse, what it does for your serentinin and dopamine levels, it's the greatest natural drug in the world. Yeah, I agree. And I'll just share this from my heart to anybody out there. I, Darren, we're up to a lot of things in the world, as many of you are listening. And some of you have even more present struggles of paying the rent or paying the mortgage

and meeting payroll for your business. And what I'll share from my heart around this is when I put endorphins in my body 12 times a day, microdosing, I'll just get on the ground and do pushups. I'll be in my office not to make a public spectacle out of it. In fact, I don't want to do that at all. Darren was saying, but how that feels when I'm done, I feel like I just took drugs. I've never taken drugs, but I feel like I'm high. High, that doesn't have any negative side effects.

So I really give you that. That's part of how this man stays, as healthy, as strong, as abundant, as masterable as he does. And that could be very practical. Do that today, 12 times. You go, wait, what? Yeah, just like after every phone call, once an hour, drop on the ground, do a set of pushups for 60 seconds. do some bodyweight squats, as Darren said, do some crunches and see how that feels. Align, brother?

100%. You could totally shift your brain frequency patterns just with a consistent daily routine of doing that. Even after a week, you're going to notice the difference. Your brain will actually start craving. Yeah. I feel like I feel addicted. And when I don't do that, I feel bad. And I feel myself reaching for something.

And for me, it might be sugar while I'll be reaching for more sugar. and when I put the endorphins in my body and I'll just feel so much better. So practical takeaway. Now, here you are. You sell your business for a million dollars. How did that feel when you sold the business for a million? Where were substances in your world at 19?

Like, what was life like at that moment? It felt like almost that it was a long time coming because at that point I was building for five years and I knew I wanted to make a transition out of the card industry into, I already had my direction because I was noticing all these legendary athletes signing autographs at trade shows so on to dabble into that. So it was more just an excitement and reinvesting that money into growing and building something else. Very cool.

And were substances yet tipping into a problem at 19? They were, but I was highly functioning at that point. There wasn't really any ramifications. I would say probably to about 20 women. I was arrested four times in six months. And that was for possession. Is that correct? Yeah.

So not this. Sell. Because I didn't need to sell. I was making plenty of money. It was to use my friends. I thought I was the cool kid. They was buying all the drugs for everybody. And for me, like, we could go down that road for an hour and just tell stories and I don't really see value.

So the bottom line is that that Darren Prince went through an extraordinary journey starting at 14 years old in substances and had challenges all the way through to 2008. And we'll come to that in a second. But as you're highly functioning and on the successful side of what's happening in business, how do you begin to build relationships with massive people of identity? You might call it fame in my language to say identity in the world. You create these unbelievable relationships. What was that journey?

So the first one I went after was for a mutual friend. I knew a guy named Perlin one of his Muhammad Ali, me in Egypt. So he was the first guy of constant. contact that start doing with and for and booking body rest onings from Mohammed Ali so I went right to the top. Wow. From there I'm in magic. You didn't start small. Yeah. The most recognizable athlete in the history of the world. Yeah, right? So and then from there I got introduced you know to Magic and you know to Chevy Chase and then you know Pamela Anderson and smoking Joe

Fraser and so that's how the business started out the first few years. I developed relationships with them from a business that had nothing to do with, you know, sports and entertainment marketing. It was basically booking them in certain autograph signing appearances. Got it. And so you would bring them into an environment with these set events or you would... It was either events or they would go to a hotel conference room for a few hours and sign. And you would... A thousand different items. And you would be promoting that yourself? Exactly. Wow. And why did they say yes to you? I mean, weren't there are other people seeking that yes from them and to do that.

Because I want everybody to realize this narrative, it's not that easy to call up Muhammad Ali's people and have them say yes. What was it you think about you that made people comfortable these icons to say yes to you at such a young age? Well, number one, I mean, I credit my dad with a lot of the way he wanted me to behave and act around them and make it more about the person and the business. He always said, you know, that's the biggest mistake in business. Too many people, you know, care about the sales and the contacts and the dollars,

when we should be caring about the person. And I also think in a way, not to pat myself too much on the back, but I think I was somewhat a big visionary for that market taking off back in the early 90s. I timed it so well that it gave me such recognition for being aligned with these people. There was no Internet back then. It was all done by fax machines. marketing and running ads in a magazine called Sports Collectors Digest. So what I do is I'd run photos of all the signings. And I think it put me so far past everybody that they just said, oh,

well, we got to go to Darren Prince for this person and that person. And this wants to do a signing. And that's kind of how it all happened. Wow. And so for everybody out there, a foundational principle of Unwinded and this podcast is that influence is the only human attainable super power. And what you're hearing from Darren Prince is that, thanks to his dad and the innovations that followed him along his journey, this man became a master

of influence. And interestingly, and I think a master of integrist influence, because from my experience and how you built your relationship with these people, is you did what you said you were going to do. And it went the way you said it was going to go. Am I hearing

you correctly, Darren? Yeah. Yeah. Until, obviously, 25 and then I had a little bit of a setback. And that setback was? So I was selling for another contact. Michael Jordan was one of the other biggest athletes in the world. Some authenticated Michael Jordan product.

And this forensic document expert that was retired from the FBI was being praised as the guru of authentication. I know you have collectors that watch. There was no PSA. There was no Beckett back then. And after about a year or so of selling it. I'm getting investigated by the FBI. And I went from this-

By the way, that's not fun. No. I went from this 19-year-old kid on top of the world to more or less losing everything. But you talk about relationships at the time of the sentence. I got a felony charge for making a false statement to the FBI during the interview.

Never went to prison. Magic. Chevy's team. Muhammad Ali and Lonali all wrote letters to the judge on my character. And I wound up getting probation. But I had a rebuilt. And that's where I have two more unbelievable stories with my dad in Michigan, and how that happened.

I was on a fly fishing trip with my dad. The last three grand to my neighbor went sell Alaska, was so pissed that I spent. So you have the last $3,000 after you sold your card business for a million. 26 years old, 1996. And you've had all these massive celebrities. Now you're down to your last $3,000. This is another moment where we talk about ring and benching, um,

let your past make you better, not bitter, have the vision for what you want to do. And we're on this beautiful stream and my dad said to me, what's my next move? And I said, you know, dad,

I want to be an agent, but I don't have eight years to go to law school. He drops the fishing pool and says law school. He goes, life is about who you know, not what you know. Any lawyer would kill to have the relationship with that. You can go to Joe Montana's house.

You can go to Barreene Springs. and see Muhammad. You can go to Mahal and drive in Beverly Hills and see Pam and Tommy or Magic and Beverly Hills. So he goes, what I would do is the next time you see Magic, tell him your vision. Sean, true story. I've talked about it before. Three weeks later, I'm with Magic in Michigan. We had a corporate event. I go into his hotel room, his hotel suite. And if he was here, he would repeat the exact same words. It was 30 years ago. And I told him my vision. He said, you're a good dude. You made a mistake. I made a mistake. This was four years after its HIV announcement. And he goes, and I love your family. Who do you want to start with this?

Your first client? And it was one of those moments. I'm literally a 26-year-old kid. I got one shot to ask him. My heart's palpitating. My hands were sweating. And I got up the nerve and I go, I would love it to be you, Irvin. You know, I call him by his original name. And he goes, okay. He goes, I'm going to give you tears to represent me. But if you don't use me to knock down every door to bring in all the celebrities you can, I'm going to fire you prefer the tears are up because I like Darren. It's not, he said, I'm going to become a success they've never seen before in the world that sports and entertainment.

Best already is a million-dollar brand. Because it's not how successful I become. It's how successful I make you and everybody else around me. So when you get there, it's your turn to bless other people. and Prince Mark Inaica was born after that and everything changed. I went to every single client and said Magic sign on.

The superpower of yes. That's what happened. He had the heart to do it, of course, but the mastery, the grace, the humility, the rapport with Magic Johnson, and he caused yes. And then once he had Magic Johnson,

he had the opportunity. It's still not easy. You could know incredibly, famous people, I have nothing happen. Many people know famous people and nothing happens. What Darren Prince became incredibly masterflat and you can too is once you build a relationship with the right person, it doesn't have to be a famous celebrity in the world. If you're an attorney, an accountant, a financial service provider, a local realtor, you're trying to get your coaching business and moving anything. Who is ecosystem famous in your world? Maybe it's a local

attorney, an accountant, a financial service provider. If you're an accountant, it's an attorney. if you're an attorney, it's a financial service provider. Who is it in your world that you're a Magic Johnson? Back to you, brother. So once you had Magic, what happened from there? You know, I never hired a publicist before I did. It basically wound up in all over the trade papers and the trade magazines that he signed with us.

It made it so much easier for me then to go to all the other celebrities that we were looking at wide graphs signing strong. I'm like, look, we're starting to do a lot more bigger things now. We're going to start bringing any speak engagements and license and deals and commercials and, you know, all sorts of different branding opportunities. And, but it's like you said, knowing these people is one thing.

Like, my dad would always tell me the same thing. He goes, having them as friends and associates are good, Darren, but can you actually put real projects together for them? Can you bring real opportunities? Because now you get the benefit of both. It could be in business together with your dear friends at the same time. And it took a little bit, but once I found that sweet spot, I would say within like six to eight months, it's kind of like we never look back.

I mean, I think relationship capital has been sort of a strength before I even knew. That was a term. My dad was, like I said, of match with the New York City. Always make sure that you have food coming to his hotel street from his favorite restaurant or, you know, bring him to his favorite restaurant and make sure the bathroom is blocked off so he can go there in peace and silence and enjoy himself. and every time Jill Frasj was in town, Mahama was in town with his wife Lonnie,

you know, bring a certain food to the Essex house, whatever hotel he was at. And I think that really created a foundation, Sean, to show that I was different. Found out about their birthday, their family, their likes, their dislikes, their hobbies. Yeah. Where the business part was important to a degree,

but it wasn't the priority. Yeah. And my experience with this mandarin prince and something for you to really consider as you experienced this, is truly loving people. So what you could mistake what you're hearing from Darren to say

is he do a lot of nice things that seem like you care. No, no, no, that's not what Darren's saying. This man cares. He loves these people. When Hulk Hogan recently passed away, Darren was devastated. Like I heard it, felt it, saw it.

When he speaks of Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali, these icons who are no longer with us, the resonating power of love come from his heart and soul of these people is genuine. So what if the great opportunity there and for folks out there is to find a way to truly love people?

And how have you done that? Because that is very present for me that you're such a loving soul. Was it always that way? When you were 14, 15, 16, 17, did you love people or did you learn to love people? I think I picked up on my dad's philosophy, but I also think I did it for a loving soul.

large part of my life to be accepted out of, you know, insecurities and wanting to be validated. And then eventually I started my spiritual sober journey seven and a half years ago. It was coming from a different place. It was coming from a place of, I can do this, I can provide, I am worthy of the world that I'm in the respect that I have. Now let me bless and put smile on other people's faces where there's absolutely no transaction whatsoever. Think back to two of our things, the Shigaray Leonard dinner dinner.

that was completely unplanned. Yes. And he said some words to me, which I'm not going to announce on the podcast. Because it was a little bit of a curse for it. I was like, you're a sick mother-effortair, Prince. When I told you that Shigray Leonard's coming to dinner, when you're favorite, he said, Steve's so graciously and beautifully coordinated for that event, I mean, it was unbelievable.

You know, Rick Flair a couple weeks ago. When I got him to FaceTime. Here's the great advice I got from Rick Flair. Rick Flair. He said, now listen, I'm divorced four times. He goes, I'm divorced four times. I'm like hearing from Nature Boy, thanks to Darren Prince of a phone call. I'm sitting by the fire in my home, like watching a movie with my daughter, who's four to half years old.

And he's like, here's the advice. Now I'm divorced four times so you can take it from where it comes. He goes, but ask for forgiveness, not permission and get on an airplane and come on down and hang out with me and Barrett. Yep. So anytime you and your prober down in Tampa, it's done. But you have moments like that, that gets me so much more. I'd say business is funding great when we do it. It's nice, but you got to, you know, the money only means so much at a certain point.

It's how many people are getting blessed from experiences. You know, we saw from your event in October, how many people just lay up from who you had there because you were blessed if it would provide provide value for your audience, for your team, for these people that are looking for that shot in the arm, whatever it might be, to reshift and repivit, you know, their belief system. and self and business and whatever it might be. And you understand that you can't put a price on that. It feels just afforded. Yeah.

And so now from that place of euphoria, from identity, let's talk about identity so it lands for people, not emotionally, but intelligently, intellectually, strategically, with integrity. Muhammad Ali, the most iconic athlete in history. and you can't be Muhammad Ali unless you have other icons that you are embroiled with.

Joe Frazier is one of those folks. And Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, two of the greatest athletes and champions in the history of American sport and certainly in boxing, and they have this incredible rivalry. They're on two different sides of the world. Joe Frazier is representative of the right,

Muhammad Ali of the left. They didn't choose that. It's how it broke out. Joe Frazier is this, you know, American, for the American patriot. And Mohamed Ali becomes the progressive civil rights movement and change and disruption, anti-war movement. All of these things are going on. Muhammad Ali doesn't go in the draft, 1971. They have this iconic fight.

My dad was there, by the way, in 71, Madison Square Garden. Yeah, I was won. And Darren and I were won the same year, just out of a fun fact, a few weeks apart. And so all this is going on. And as their rivalry builds, Muhammad Ali, this incredible communicator starts to move in directions that would be very painful or are very disrespectful. And those that love him find it to be humorous as we often do for the people we love. And for those that don't like him think he's a monster, a devil, right? So this creates this massive rift in this greatest, arguably the greatest sports rivalry in American history.

And certainly I believe in history of boxing. And this is this rift that's there. They have three fights. Joe Frazier beats Muhammad Ali the first time. Mahometh comes back and beats him the next two times. And it is the foundation of Muhammad Ali's career and Joe Frazier's career. Now, Darren gets to know these fine folks a little bit later down the line. and there is a tremendous, like, seismic rift

that exists between the two of them and can you pick it up from there, and you're rolling all the brother. So we tried many of times to get them together. Lonnie Ali and Mahomet, graciously offered to fly me, Joe, and his son, Marvin's house, to the Ali premiere,

where Will Smith starred in all as Ali, and they wanted us to ride in Muhammad's limo to the Hollywood premiere. Joe didn't want to do it. I mean, that's when I realized how deep the emotional wounds were. And Joe just said, Prince, the only man doing something with them

is a museum on my turf in Philly. So it's about a year and a half, two years later, I got a call from Harlem. I talked to my dear friend that ran Ali's game, that Lonnie wanted to call me, that Mohammed's in town with her for the NBA all start weekend in Philly.

And they would love Joe and you and Marvis to come by their hotel suite that night for dinner. So I'm Mali. shaking. Like, I can't even believe this opportunity's coming in February 2000. And I called Joe up and without batting and I, no delay, no pause. He goes, all right, now call up Marvis. Let's do it. It'll be good to say him tonight. So the second part of that, Sean, is I'm still in active addiction. So I can't even believe this has happened. So I'll have to go back to those else.

Okay, just free-stream. So Darren Prince is about to be the orchestra. trader of a reunion of the greatest friction in the history of sports between two of the most iconic athletes in history. And he said it perfect. So I'm back in the hotel and Marvis and Joe are heading over to get me because then we had to go to Ali's hotel. And my best thinking was that, you know, I just, how am I even worthy of the situation right now? And the only thing I could think of doing was to get high.

You know, because you're sitting there talking to me. So many people are in a lot of this situation. So many people cannot believe it happened. There's photos, there's videos, there's documentary, and you see me with these two kids. Anyway, I made the best of it. And we go to Muhammad's suite, and Lonnie opens up the door, and I'm out of my mind.

Like, I cannot always just finally here. And Joe walks over to Muhammad, who's on the couch, and it was a little bit bloated and overweight. at that time in his life from not following the proper diet and the Parkinson's medication, but some moments I remember was Joe kind of lifted Ali up, and Muhammad kind of fell on his shoulder as Joe locked in his back leg and literally just had tears in his eyes, Ali, as he was on his shoulder hugging him. And Lonnie looked at all of us and said, you know, Muhammad really just found real peace. Thank you for coming. Thank you for coming. And then we sat at this huge

dining room table and at dinner. And Muhammad starts doing the legendary font. Daito starts biting the bottom lip. And he looks at Joe at the other end. He goes, Gorilla, we got to go back to, he goes, we got to go back to Manila, and Joe drops his fork and knife in his food. He goes, man, we just made up back there.

I'm going to have to kick your ass again for a fourth fight, and I'm like, there's no way I'm watching this right now. It was unbelievable to just see that they, just could not help themselves. It was just in the fabric of their DNA. Because here's a private moment with six of us in a hotel suite. And it was still going.

Now, quickly, because we can get into the next subject when it's going to keep talking. No, please, please. The MBA surprised us the next day. Joe and I were planning on going with my boy, Nicky's seat, to the All-Scard name. And the MBA called and said, we understand Joe and Muhammad got together last night.

Of course, I denied it. I go, no, I said we were just. you know, Joe and I just had a relax. And they said, okay, we're asking because we'd love to put Joe near Muhammad, somewhat near Muhammad at the game today. So an NBA All-Star game is the star of a All-Stars. I mean, it's like next level, especially out of all the All-Star. Yes.

And so we get there, and we have to see three, four, and five center court. Within 15 minutes, I start hearing that chant. Ali, Ali, Ali. I look to my right, coming out of the tunnel with security as Muhammad. and his best friend Howard Bingham, the fame photographer. Obviously, neither are longer here. And Muhammad sits in C2 and Howard's in C1. Now, mind you, Sean.

Center court is Howard. To his left is Ali. Right next to Ali is me. And next to me is Joe. I've never been so uncomfortable. I have never been so uncomfortable. Who is that guy? Who is that guy?

I have never been so uncomfortable and felt socially awkward in my life that I'm like, how do I get Joe to switch freaking seats with me right now? He starts elbowing with his big strong arm and he leans over and he goes, Boss man, since he used to call me. I said, yeah, boss. He goes, switch with me. And I said, I'd be honored. And I got up.

I'm not good at Joe's left. Joe sits down next, Ali. They're holding hands. Alicia Key comes out to sing America the Beautiful. The place goes ballistic. I mean, the entire arena was standing up applauding what was going on with Joe Mohammed. So, That was just a special, having Elton John look at them during half time in Kobe and Michael and Iverson. Like, everybody knew what was happening.

This was a piece of history at the NBA also again. That is unbelievable. And to think that just to go back half a step for a moment, that part of the deep rift, the pain, the rage that existed was Muhammad Ali saying these things about him beating the gorilla and the thrill in Manila. which is obviously a racially derogatory attack on Joe Frazier. And then he says it at the table. So that is absolutely nuts. And then what Joe Frazier have been saying in response, because this is such a anger over time,

is like, yeah, look at Muhammad Ali, making fun of his Parkinson's condition saying, who do you think won those fights now? Look at him, look at me, I won all three. Yeah, like all of this conversation. And then it's happening at the table, and the next day they're sitting back together. So when Muhammad Ali,

was saying that. What were you feeling at the table? Like, were you, well, I know you had substance but was there any part of like this is going to completely devolve? Like, what was? No, I actually got nervous for a second. I was like, damn, they just made up. And Joe's putting his fork and his knife back in his plate. I'm like, I hope it's not going to get up and walk over. But then Joe was like smiling at that smirk. That's when he just dropped it. And he hit him with, man, we just made up back there. Am I going to have to kick your ass again for a fourth bite? And I'm, Muhammad literally starts spitting his food at. He was lamping so hard. He was held like this. And it was a beautiful moment. Like I said, they just couldn't help themselves. That's who they were.

Ali, Ali, Ali, as he's walking in, walking down with Hulk Hogan or Joe Frazier or Pamela Anderson. Can you explain to people as slowly and methodically as is appropriate the power of identity, the power of fame? So people can truly appreciate what happens and what you've experienced traveling with these people. Yeah, I mean, I've been blessed to be with the Kings of Kings or Queens of Queens. And I mean, I've had De Niro, Pacino, Trump, Lionel, Ritchie, Denzel Washington at dinner with Joe and I. I mean, I mean, Lilliske Spilberg, literally in awe at a March for Our Lives event in Washington, in BC that my Prince Scuder Braun coordinated, maybe 2018, 2018, the biggest, you know, athletes and celebrities, just Joe Frazier walks into a room, man, and it's, it's, you know, regal of another level. It's a different, it's a different association, Bono, Bon Jovi at the MTVMAs. I've seen it. Like, they are like little kids. It's, uh, Beyonce had a magazine cover party for Gotham magazine. My friend Jason Bin sent a car and

Beyonce and her dad wanted him to be Joe. Joe came up from Philadelphia. It's something so different, especially when you go back to that generation, John. I'm not saying there's certain athletes that haven't had it the past 20 years, but they were different. They were like, they affected the world politically. They on them were stopped the night of March 8, 1971 to the fight of this entry. You know, they had such power. That was Ali Frazier one. They had such power, their voice, what they stood for, long before social media, long before the internet.

They had this level of global fame that they're not sending out tweets to build up their image. So what happened is, you know, generationally, you know, the grandfather taught it to the uncle. The uncle taught it to the father. Father took it to the son. And Hulk Holken was that way to have Hulk Hogan transform at least, you know, 30 and 40. different you know generations I think when I look at like magic the dream team

really took him to a level that the dream team is so incredibly impactful let's go hulk home for second WrestleMania they called it WrestleMania not WrestleMania I was there at Madison Square Garden this man gave an unbelievable autographed poster for WrestleMania to my dad we'll get to my dad and Dwight Good and Mookie Wilson a couple minutes and being there and just Hulk Hogan coming out and the place going nuts, right? People literally losing their mind like Elvis Presley, taking the stage, Ed Sullivan, when you have that, when you're walking around Hulk Hogan and people there, lawyers,

accountants, financial service provides, doctors, what you mentioned feeling some of these iconic celebrities looking at Joe Frazier, like they're like a little kid looking up to Joe Frazier, what's it like were people, how would you describe how disrupted people become in the presence of a Holkogen or in the presence of some of these others? What is it like as people were mobbing him for autographs and adult professionals and successful people? How would you describe what happens to people?

I mean, I think over the years I've just come to accept it more. Early on, it was like excitement, but it's also I have a job to do with their security to make sure they get in and out, whatever situation might be safely. But I think Hulk was the one that humbled me. I was down in Clearwater Beach where he spent the last 20, 25 years, like Florida. And me and a couple of my boys went to saying, we went for sushi for lunch.

And Hulk gives me his valet ticket. He goes, brother, give me a favorite. He goes, can you just go have them pull up the car so we can get out of here? I turn around. I'm not kidding. Shon, there's 50 people behind us. Just waiting. They could tell.

The bandanas on. the cut red shirt from behind the blonde you know hair they know they know it's him and so I look at all these people I was like this is gonna be like a half hour gonna get out of here I go get the car I'm waiting in the parking lot for a half hour with the ballet guy he comes out he goes brother what's going on you know like something bad I'm like you know what I called them Terry but he's real him Terry but I'm like Terry we finally get away from the craziness of the traveling and all the fans and you know, the Hulkomaniac craziness just to kind of get a lunch with you.

And while this is still happening, and he looks at me, he puts the same on my shoulder, because, brother, these people still treat me like, I'm heavily a champ of the world, and that's a blessing, because let me tell you something, we might be friends, but we're going to be as good friends as you were because you wouldn't be calling with all these business opportunities, these fans disappeared. And that made me never say another word about it, because he understood it. He understood the power of you know, being there for their fans. Like that none of them are who they are

without the love and support of that. And while this may resonate so powerfully, emotionally, let's also think about it. We live as people in a hierarchical world. And I'm not talking with the way we wish the world would be, but it is. So if you build a relationship with the president of an association, this is how I built my entire business originally,

I had the president of the Northern New Jersey Chiropractic Society, you know, 29 years ago, bring me in to speak. And once that person said, hey, Sean's okay, then everybody else said, they didn't say, Sean's okay. So Sean's great, masterful what he does. Like, it changes everything. And that's the power of identity. And so if you're entertained by this, you're enjoying this. I mean, I would love to talk to Darren all day, all night about these stories. But what I hope is there for you, at least some of you, is to take this.

this away and realize that you too can be a Darren Prince and you could build relationships with people with identity in certain ecosystems. Maybe it's a medical society, legal society, accounting society, whatever it is that's going to transform what you do. And maybe for somebody out there, you want to be calling Darren Prince and saying, hey, can I bring some of these people? Because I assure you, like, you start bringing people like Darren's got to bring to your situations. That's not an easy thing to do. This is not just about money. It's like this has got to be. This has got to the right situation and the right people, the right situation with the right people of integrity, but the power of brain celebrity identity is game-changing all day every day. So from that place,

brother, how do you leave the world of addiction? So you have these iconic moments, you struggle to feel them, experience them as deeply and meaningful as you want. This is in Darren's book, aiming high. You want to read a heartwarming, soul touching, entertaining as heck, story of a journey into the power of celebrity. Aiming High is there for you. And if you want a pathway out of some of the challenge you're having, it's there for you. And I know how and why, and I've read the book multiple times now. But aiming high, 2008, you finally have had enough.

And please share with people that powerful moment that may serve some folks out there or prevent them from moving down that same path. My late uncle still was dating a woman Andrew at the time. And I don't know, I just connect with her. And Steve who's sitting here, you know, was there to witness it. And I was just ready. I mean, she started asking me all these questions. And I told her I was sick and tired and I was just done.

And she pulled a coin at her pocket. You talk about GNCs, as I call them, God-managed coincidence. She just celebrated five years sober. And she said, I could help you. So she put me on the detox plan. And the next day was July 2nd, 2008. And I went into my apartment bathroom at the time that I was living with my, my then wife,

and I thought I was taking like a non-narcotic anxiety pill and two phycinics came out, which is one of the three opiates. And I thought it's what I needed, Sean, but I had the first time my light, a light, light moment. You know, I fell to my knees and I screamed that I'd take the money, take the business, take the notoriety. If you could give me a single day of freedom,

I'll go and go back and tell one day that time they took other people's out and other people out. And I had like a lightning boat on my right shoulder because it was a feeling I never had before and I never had it, Sims. And I heard a voice that got you and you're ready. And there was no Uber. I went downstairs into a taxi camp after going a line, found a 12-step meeting in the upper 80s in a church basement in New York City with 150 plus, addicts and alcoholics were once both with state of mind, ego-froached, less importantly, knowing that I was going there to get the help that I needed and surrender for the first time of my life. And that day, what I thought at that time was the worst, has now turned out

to my very best. Well, congratulations, my brother, of course. And for folks out there, Darren, that maybe are not in a terrible place of addiction, but they're just looking for ways to have to have have fun at a higher vibrational level. This is a man that rolled with some of the wildest, craziest characters ever. What would you say to people about how you have fun now? Because, you know, I surf, I ski. I said before this, I surf ski and Scooby-Di-Scootido this month.

I'm a blind guy. And I love it. It makes me feel high. You know, I've never been actually high, so I can't be sure I really feel high. But it certainly makes me feel at a much higher vibrational level. how do you have fun now and for the folks that may be thinking, yeah, man, but like, if I stop drinking as much I'm drinking or stop, you know, getting high sometimes, I'm just not going to have fun, but I think your life says something very different. Yeah, I mean, fun for me is not to find the way that it used to like, you know, it's just being around the right energy people. You know, you and I, obviously, it was sort of a magical connection or together, just around people that are as spiritual as possible. I think when you talked about, you know,

individuals that are listening and watching that doesn't necessarily need to be a celebrity but there is somebody in their world of impact that's probably doing the next right thing every day of their life to build scale give back being integrity that if you latch on to people like that you're really going to start realizing what life is about and get a new definition of fun you know it's um it's a different time and i think people are trying to understand that. It's not about nothing could happen. So when you're at a bar until 11, 12 o'clock at night. You know, my level of fun and joy and happiness now comes from helping other people

that are struggling. You've been a blessing to Miami High Foundation, a scholarship, anywhere from 30 to 40 people a year when those calls come in. It is the greatest, most exciting telling my life when something that happens. We have somebody that comes in that doesn't have the resources that we can help them. if somebody wants mentorship in sports management or celebrity marketing. Like, I drop everything. My office makes sure I set that stuff up because you can't even, you understand it, but for people that are listening and have been experienced it, you can't even put the feeling

into words on what it's like every single time and happening. Amen, brother. And fun. So here's what's fun for me. having lunch in California in Hollywood with Darren after we've just gone to an amazing home in the Hollywood Hills which I'll keep confidential for what we did and what was happening there.

We'll be able to announce it soon. And then having lunch and just enjoying pizza and laughing and talking about the future and possibility. What also was fun is when I had the blessing and privilege of first meeting Darren. It was on Halloween. In 2020, and Darren comes in with his, one of his incredible business partners, Ammo. And Ammo's there to like, check me out to make sure I'm not some maniac with our 20,000 square feet here, right?

And I had the blessing and privilege of making a contribution to Darren's Aymie High Foundation. That's fun. But the reason that happened is because we did things, not like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier exactly, or we were Hulk Hogan or Magic Johnson, but not completely unlike it. We faced challenge and friction. Aaron did, I did. We built business. We built abundance. And only from that place of abundance could a contribution come for people to get to get free. And so that happens. We begin to develop a relationship. It was fun running a thousand-person event in New Jersey and having all these incredibly iconic celebrity people come in. It was really fun and magical to sit down with Charlie Sheen and not to

exploit him, but to lean in on his incredible influence, charisma, magic that this man has brought to the world and also to be present to the fact that he's had some extraordinary challenges as well. And Darren represents him. And what was fun and magical was my dad's 80th birthday. My dad's really sick. And this just happened in 2025. And my dad couldn't have his 80th birthday party. And I was heartbroken. He was heartbroken. And we began a conversation with Darren. mutual teammate of ours, Mike Vesuvio, and said, you know, my dad is an enormous Met fan, and Darren causes Dwight Gooden and Mookie Wilson, along with this incredible team, right, Steve and, you know, partnership.

And they come to the hospital, and I'm able to surprise my father, and nothing means more to him than New York Mets, and have Mookie Wilson and Dwight Gooden walk into his hospital room. I got the computer set up, and the most meaningful moment my dad and I've ever shared was 1986 being a box 113A for the New York Mets and watching the ball rolled through Bill Buckner's legs that Mookiee Wilson hid. We re-watched this moment in the hospital room with my father with Mookie and Dwight Gooden watching the whole thing.

Brother, and they're there in the hospital room for like two hours, you know, ish, like an hour and a half two hours. We have a Mets cake and a James Bond cake for my dad's birthday. Mookie Wilson and Dwight Gooden are asking for second pieces. I'm thinking they're being nice, taking the first piece. Like, no, no, that's really good. We have another piece. Then we come into this room and do a podcast with Dwayke and Mookiee Wilson,

telling the story, I'm crying. They're all emotional. We're having pizza and wings, you know, in the office till God knows what time. But that's fun, but that fun only comes because of the sacrifice of this man, his partner, other people have made to build these relationships with incredible people. And also, humbly, the abundance I've had the privilege of creating with partner and teammates myself. So what if it's fun to build things

and from that abundance do magical things? So brother, first, from my heart, my soul, and I've shared this already, but I want to say it right here on this podcast, we wouldn't be here without you, number one. Number two, thank you for one of the most meaningful moments of my life and my father's relationship. You know, we all have challenges their parents

and all have interesting moments, but like Billy Crystal, well, the movie said in Cindy Slickers and one of his co-stars said, you know, we feel like he can't talk about anything. Like, we could talk about baseball. And it was the heart and soul of our life. My dad cried more than 10 times that day about this.

And he's cried at least 25 times since. Every single human being my father knows has heard this story about Dwight Gooden and Mookie Wilson being there. And if my father was in this room with us right now, he would be crying, tears pouring down his face. And the mention of his 80th birthday, he cries in his day. you did that and that I hold no judgment I've had plenty of people with addiction challenges in my life and my family I hold no judgment but I know for a fact there's no way

that there could be a greater high than that and I hope that can like penetrate your heart and soul brother because you've done that for so many people but you did it from me and my father and my children all my children I have four kids of a 26 year old my son down my four year old daughter were all in this dream together with my dad for his birthday and what was going to be this you know beautiful party at the Capitol Grill and you know 100 people and friends turned into just us in that room tiny small family collection and it was the most memorable day of my father's life and you did that brother and I hope that high president is special yes sir you know who my favorite athlete is of all time mookie wilson there you go and anybody I'll tell you that that's no

me since I was a little boy so that made it even more magical Thank you. And yet how many people have you brought moments to like that? I mean, you did it for, I can't even imagine with the relationships you have and the power that these celebrities can have in people's hearts and souls. Brother, you're like George Bailey. Like, it's a wonderful life. Like, are you present to all the lives and the ripple effects of everything?

Not just that these people do that you do, brother. Like, how present or not are you to that? I am. I mean, it's like I've bought up earlier. about your band in New Jersey. Like, I see it. It's not, of course, there's a business side to things, but we don't want to be just a transactional business.

We want to create experiences. We want to create mind-blowing moments. We want these events or keynotes, whatever it might be, of whatever that business project is, to just really impact others from the energy and their frequency of whoever that celebrities that they're around.

Because transactional one-off, shake somebody's hand, maybe deal with them again, no, we want to just make sure we maximize every single thing we're doing at this point because that's where the magic is. That's when it becomes, you know, you're reaching back and giving back and people are in that moment of just taking every single thing in, just like you were with every single person, every celebrity you had on stage. I mean, you changed so many lives that day just to be behind the scenes with Steve and watching it with Matilda. And, like, no, we had a very small part of that helping to put this roster

you get it's such a good feeling there no thank you my brother so what does it go from here as it beginning around the band home you have hopefully another hundred years in this earth yeah um what is it i know you take one day at a time yeah i know you meditate love life but if you could fast forward a hundred years to your final day uh what if anything would you want to bring forward that you haven't brought forward yet but if anything um you know i think i'm just so passion about the younger generation and the mental health and this whole word that everybody considering narcissists and, you know, unheeled. Like, I would love to be somebody, and I even spoke to them at the White House about this when I went that, can we like, you know, start creating, like,

a course in grammar school about self-worth? Yes. And self-love. Yes. I want to be a part of that. That has nothing to do with this and whatsoever, and I can care less. It's been giving the blessings and relationships that are incredible. I've said it before. When I'm gone, I want to be known as a man that went deep into hell, came out on the other side, and sprinkled to hope and recovery across the world to make people's lives better.

And that's something that would change mental health, addiction, substance abuse, bullying, that if the jocks and the nerds that are 8, 9, 10 years old and the geeks and whatever little stereotypes you want to call them all sat in the same room, they talked about how they feel on that given day. everybody be on the same thing. Thank you.

Amen, brother. And as a small token of gratitude, and this is fun for me, I'd like to make a $50,000 donation from my Cali Christian. This was not at all part of like, Darren being here. We didn't say this,

but a $50,000 donation from my Calgary Christian Foundation to aiming high. That's fun. And I have massive gratitude. Like, that's how I get high. So thank you, my brother, for everything you've done.

I love you. anything you'd like to share with those incredible people and final, final. You've shared so much already. Is there anything left on your heart that we have not yet attended to these folks? I just think sort of how we opened it up, man, because you live in a frequency that's just so unbelievable, and I do it as often as I can that it's about finding fulfillment. You know, don't be blinded by all these people, the cars and the jets and the houses. Like, that's getting great, and it's important to some, and it's nice to have the ability to live a life,

but it's about integrity, it's about relationship building, it's about giving back, it's about finding that fulfillment in here and in here and adhere, and when you get it, let it spread like wildfire to people that need to hear it, because when you get to that place, you wanna know that we're as happy as you possibly could have been, because I know a lot of people that have gotten

to that place up the top of the mountain top that are just miserable. And I think the younger middle-aged generation needs to understand It's a different way to go about it. Yeah. And what I would love you to take away from this time with Darren Prince is that what if we are all a mouse?

What if Muhammad Ali was a mouse, Joe Frazier was a mouse, Darren, myself, what if we're all mice looking for lions? And what if the lion that Muhammad Ali pulled the thorn out of the foot of were people that felt oppressed and challenged and limited and fearful and concerned about what was happening? What if Joe Frazier was for people who thought there was change coming that was hurtful? and what if there's thorns in the feet of ecosystems?

Sometimes ecosystems or large groups of people, sometimes they're individuals. And what this brother stands for is he took lions, found the thorn, and removed it, and created massive value. And that's how he integrously built these relationships. So my takeaway is what if we all, Darren, myself, you, all of us,

and these iconic people, just kept looking for ways to build relationships with integrity. Darren wants to help more people. I have financial abundance. Here I am to do it. Darren's gracious enough to come in and he brings gifts for me, my dad, all these things. What if we just keep realizing it's not a zero-sum gain, but there's value to expand and share and to find people's pain that may be way bigger than you, way bigger than you in many ways. But if you could remove that thorn and create massive value for them and build lifelong relationships. That is what this brother has done with the likes of Holkogen and Magic Johnson, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Pamela Anderson,

David Goggins, people, the list goes on and on. We can do it all day long. And if this man that was classified in special education in the great state of New Jersey, we also share that in common, if he could do it, why can't you? Darren Prince, I love you, my brother. We're in this life together forever. So much more to do. I thank you for being on the show. Sean Kelly, unwind the podcast, and it wouldn't be here without you. So thank you, Darren Prince. It's an honor, my brother. Love you.