Unblinded with Sean Callagy - Mike Tyson on Discipline, Power, and the Cost of Greatness

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

In this unforgettable episode of Unblinded with Sean Callagy, Sean sits down with one of the most iconic and misunderstood figures in sports history—Mike Tyson.But this conversation isn’t about knockouts, belts, or highlight reels. It’s about fear, discipline, mentorship, identity, and the thin line between destruction and greatness.Mike opens up with brutal honesty about his childhood in Brownsville, Brooklyn, a life shaped by crime, violence, and survival—and the miraculous moment that changed everything: meeting Cus D’Amato, the mentor who didn’t just train him to fight, but saved his life  .Tyson explains how Cus instilled discipline so absolute it bordered on obsession, teaching him that discipline is doing what you hate to do—but doing it like you love it. Through relentless mental conditioning, visualization, and suffering by design, Cus transformed a troubled kid into the youngest heavyweight champion in history—in barely a year.Sean and Mike explore the power of mentorship, the devastation that followed Cus’s death, and how losing the right guide at the wrong moment can open the door to destructive influences—even at the highest levels of success. Tyson reflects candidly on vulnerability, Don King, money, fame, and why losing everything taught him more than having it all.The episode also dives deep into:Why talent means nothing without will and disciplineHow confidence is built, not bornThe psychological warfare of fighting—and why fear is a weaponTyson’s reverence for Muhammad Ali, and what made Ali truly untouchableWhy broken systems, gangs, and powerlessness attract young menWhat real leadership, loyalty, and family mean now in Tyson’s lifeThis is not a redemption story wrapped in clichés.It’s a raw, philosophical, and deeply human conversation about becoming the champion of your own world—even when the odds, the past, and your own mind are against you.Timestamps 00:00 – From Brownsville to Boxing: Tyson’s early life05:40 – Meeting Cus D’Amato: “God sent”12:15 – Discipline, fear, and mental conditioning22:30 – Becoming heavyweight champion—and Cus’s absence31:10 – Losing the mentor, gaining the wrong guides41:45 – Muhammad Ali, mind games, and true greatness55:00 – Family, legacy, and what really matters nowEpisode Highlights • How Cus D’Amato didn’t just train Mike Tyson—he saved his life • Why discipline matters more than talent, and how most people misunderstand both • Mike’s raw explanation of fear as a weapon—and how champions learn to use it • The mental conditioning and visualization that created the youngest heavyweight champion in history • What happened after Cus D’Amato died—and how losing the right mentor changed everything • The difference between confidence and arrogance, and how true confidence is built • Why broken systems and lack of power pull young men toward gangs and violence • Mike’s perspective on money, fame, and losing everything • The truth about Muhammad Ali’s greatness—beyond the ring • Why talent is common, but discipline is rare • How suffering, structure, and accountability shape elite performers • What legacy, family, and leadership mean to Mike Tyson today • Lessons on becoming dangerous on purpose—but controlled • Why mentorship is the fastest shortcut to transformation • How to become the champion of your own world, even without a title beltKey Quotes“Talent means absolutely nothing. Everybody has talent. How far you go with it is the question.” “Cus D’Amato didn’t just train me. If I didn’t meet him, I wouldn’t be alive.” “Discipline is doing what you hate to do, but doing it like you love it.” “I never doubted him. I doubted me.” “You don’t need more motivation. You need fear, discipline, and direction.” 🎧 This episode is for anyone who knows they’re capable of more—but hasn’t yet found the discipline, mentor, or internal fire to unlock it.

I was scared to death of him. I was scared to death. That's why. I didn't do no stupid shit. How does that make you feel? We did it. I don't even talk about your mother, your sisters, that are sexes. Why, he's fighting.

Muhammad Ali and his prime with Angela Dundee. Oh, shit. Mike Tyson, his prime, Custamato. What happens? Like, what does that look like? What is that all about? Hey, welcome to the Sean Kelly Unblinded Podcast. We're causing people to see.

what they don't see about how to grow their money, their time, their magic with absolute integrity. We're here today with a master of masters. We're going to introduce in one second. Mr. Mike Tyson. And my name is Sean Caligee. We are right now the number one business podcast and Apple Podcasts in the world. Yeah. We're looking to be the undisputed champs there, Mr. Mike Tyson.

And we're going to give you a quick intro if that's okay. Yeah, Tink, please. Who's this man? Today we welcome a living myth, a man who rose from the storm-swept streets of Brooklyn to become the youngest heavyweight champion. champion in history. Mike Tyson is not just the force of nature in the ring, but a symbol of raw resilience, transformation, and the relentless pursuit of truth. His fists wrote history, but his journey through triumph, pain, and redemption reveals a heart as fierce as his punch.

Mike's story is one of power, vulnerability, and the courage to evolve. He's a warrior, a philosopher, and a beacon for anyone who's ever faced impossible odds and dared to rise again. Mr. Mike Tyson, welcome. Thank you, sir. Yeah, pleasure. So, Mr. Tyson, we talk a lot about mentorship and leadership here, and your relationship with Custamato is literally one of the most famed relationships ever between a mentor and an apprentice, two masters, like rising together. And you've spoken about so much what he meant to you, what it was. What I love to know is just at the outset, what did he mean to you? How would your life have been different, you think, without the mentorship of customer?

I don't like to think about how it would have been different. It's just bad. It looks bad. So I'm one of those guys that believe he wasn't meant to happen so it didn't happen. But if I didn't meet this guy, it would have been bad. I just can't believe how I met this guy. I missed this guy from the suicide of Brownville, Brooklyn. And the next thing you know, I'm 13 years old and I'm in the presence of a master.

How did that happen? I don't know nothing. The only thing I know is crying. That's all I know. Crime. I've been in detentions all my life before I'm school, and I'm in front of this guy. Yeah.

How did you meet him? I was in a reformatory. And this is how I started the boxing because I had just, and I was in this other fraternity. And unfortunately, I stabbed somebody there. So they shipped me to this other place that was really not a nice place. You know, before, the other place you could go outside, but you had stayed in this place constantly.

And so I went there, and as I got there, I was locked up. I couldn't come in population yet. But I saw guys run into the back, going to their rooms, and they had cracked ribs and had cracked teeth, but they were happy. And I'm like, yo, what's going on in there? I can't believe these blood. They're happy. They're all kidding.

And they said, they're boxing with me. Mr. Stewart. It was an ex-professional boxer there used to box with the kids that they behaved themselves. So these guys are always on the top, on the roller because they wanted the box with Stu. Even though he was killing him, they wanted to go in box with him. So I'm going to box this guy, right? A little white guy. I'm going to go in that box room. Never boxed before. You know, you think they're smaller than you, you could beat him. So I'm going to swale in the way he's waiting. He got me tight, hit me in the stomach. I've never been hitting the stomach in my life. I went down. And then I asked me, could you show me that stuff?

And I never thought about being a boxer. I'm thinking about I could do this, knock a guy out and go in his pocket. I never thought about being a boxer. So he started teaching me. Once I got my grades up, I had to get my grades up in order for him to do that. And he started teaching me and teaching me and teaching me. And then eventually he hit him and he had got a black eye one day and he was mad the next day. And I didn't understand why he was mad because he always kills me, right?

But he was mad because his wife said, he couldn't box with me no more. But he said, don't worry, I'm going to take you to somebody else, and we're going to go to the next level. I had no idea what he was talking about at all. He took me there, Cuss met me, and said all these great things about me the first day that I didn't believe. I thought he was some weird old kind of perv guy saying all these great things about me. He didn't even know me. He said, we ought to be champ if you listen to me. And everything he told me was right.

I didn't know who this guy was, but he was like, um, He was like God sent. There's no doubt. When I mentioned, I believed in God. That's amazing. Thank you. And the power of mentorship, leadership, God, you know, in the space, we'll talk about all that today. But what are other, I had the honor of interviewing Mike Ruzioni from the Miracle and Ice team, the Olympic gold medalist, right?

He played for Her Brooks, and, you know, he would describe her books as one of the most difficult, challenging, aggressive, but masterful human. and his love for Her Brooks resonates. I mean, Her Brooks didn't save his life, with Customato saved yours, but the rise in his mastery was so powerfully present through the level of mastery that Herbrooks demanded.

And, you know, you're coming from a place where you can't trust people. You, you know, come up in gangs, we'll talk about that in a little bit, but there's all these people who try to use you, hurt you, lie to you, you know, dynamics in your home, you know, your folks,

so you beautiful relationship your mom, absent dad, all these things are going on. And as you said, you thought Custamato was a weird old. I'm sorry? You said I had a good movie they'd have a horrible with you with my mother. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't understand. I had heard positive things. It's just true.

Yeah. So you had all these people who let you down in ways from your mom, dad, all, you know, community, I'm sure, teachers, people. You meet Custamano and you think for a second, he's, you know, a weird guy lying, just say nice things to you to use you, right? what were some of the hardest moments with him? We watched the movie The Karate Kid and Daniel at some point

is telling Mr. Miyagi thinks he's full of it and he's using him and he's chwanse him the sand his deck, wipe his force, and he's ready to quit. We have times like that with Custamato to have to hear. Same thing. Yeah, please. You know, the same thing. He was a strong believer in discipline

to the T. You know, discipline to him was doing what you hated to do, but do it like you love it. You know what I mean? He loved the, art of suffering. No, really. He loved the art of suffering.

And what were some of the hardest things that Customato put you through where you doubted him the most, if you doubted him? Hey, listen, I never doubted him. I doubted me. I doubted me, and I never could see what this man could see in me.

This white old, 70-year-old Italian, what did he see in me? Wow. But I never, you know, I was told me, I never lived life, but as I get old, I can see now. Wow. But that's incredible that you didn't doubt him. No, because he told me this.

He said, if you listen to me, everything I say, and it don't work, you can go home, and I'll give you money too. You can go. And I started listening to him. And I started knocking people out and I became national champion, the world's amateur champion, this guy, this guy. This is in a year. These guys, it takes years for these kids to win these titles that I'm winning.

I'm winning them in one year. Yeah, I was a big star when I was a kid. One year, it takes people years doing this title. Me being with him. It took me one year. Right. And for everybody to remember, because I think it could be easy, right? It's so hard for me to call you Mike.

Mr. Tice, but I call you Mike. You asked me too. So thank you, Mike. You know, you are gifted, right? You had talent, you had ability. It told me nothing. Right. Please explain that to people.

It took me nothing. Right, explain that to people. It's the will determination, desire to win. Yeah. Talent means absolutely nothing. Everyone has talent. Everybody in this room has talent. How far do you want to go with it?

And I think that's such a critical point because so many people could look at you and see what you did at such young age. And I think the point that I'm taking away most and think I'm learning today with you here is that you, when you first started boxing, did not how to box, right? The guy that's training you,

punch you and hit you in the stomach. Never. My life. Yeah. And then because of the master, A master meeting somebody with incredible talent and ability. No, not with desire. I wanted to do it.

Well, that talent means nothing if I didn't want to do it. And why did you want to do it? Like, what was it that was making you feel good and want to put the suffering in with Customato? Like, what was the why? All these other kids are there. Okay. He made me believe that if you didn't do this, you were nothing. This was the thing to be the heavyweight champion of the world, the baddest man of the planet.

He didn't know on my head. He did a head job on me. Oh, God. How do you do that? I did read about some of the mind exercises and things, and he would have you visualize. Oh, absolutely. Please tell us about some of that.

Visualization, talk about, you know, day by day in every way. Well, I'm just to cry, thinking about my old, you know, saying that when I was a kid. And what was it that you would say? If day by day and every way, you're getting better, better and better. And that's just the beginning stage. At the end of it, you'd be, next thing you know, you'll say, I'm fucking God. It's just what it is.

It's just you start from day by day by everywhere. I'm getting better, better, better. Next thing you know, I'm the best fighter ever live. That's just what confidence do to you. Confidence breeds success, success breeds confidence. Yeah, well, amen. And would it be okay if we share, let's go to the, just the clip with Cuss real quick. Okay.

Is that okay? Please. See him talking like that? Scares the shit out of me. I'm scared, I'm nervous, I'm not doing it right. You're right, your right shoulder, you see you're a little bit this way, it should be more this way, so when you're driving it, nothing to hold that blow.

You're going to do real damage. You might drop the guy with one punch, but you aim at here and bring the same hand, when he gets in, you can't bring it down, he'll be able to bring up, bang, over here, bang, look to look to you here. I can't say, honestly, I have a very deep affection to what I do. To me, he's my boy, he's with me.

I often take him, you know, I owe you a lot. He doesn't know what I mean, but I'm going to tell him now what that means. If he weren't here, I probably wouldn't be alive today. The fact that he is here and doing what he's doing and doing as well as he's doing and improving as he has gives me the motivation and interest to stay alive. Because I believe that a person dies when they no longer want to live. But I have a reason with Mike here, and he gives me the motivation. I will stay alive, and I will watch him become a successful.

Because I will not leave. until that happened. How does that make you feel? We did it. And this isn't like a contrive moment. Mike, I've had incredible mentors in my life too that have caused things like Customana. I wasn't World Champ.

I would never be sitting here as a blind man. 75% of people like me are unemployed. And I'm here because I had my customato's. As my high school coaches and athletics, that drove me like crazy. And this is something we try to bring out to the world because the things that you're talking about, are the things that we want the people here to know.

We don't want to talk about ear bites and hangover movies and all that's beautiful, it's fun, it's magical, and all the things you did. But what people want is what you have. People want to feel the way you feel about customato about somebody in their life. They want their life saved like you had your life saved. And that's what my purpose here in these next 30 minutes is to help bring out for people. because if, as Mike Tyson said, if he could do this,

maybe he can't be the champion in the world, but you could be the champion in your house, and you can build a business and do things. So I thank you for people. That's what this is all about. Not necessarily about being the champion of the world, but you're the champion of your world. You know, and that's what life is about.

You know, they can't say about Chris. Kutz is always about sacrificing. You know, when they, he is one day he may not eat for two months. You're disciplined. And all about discipline. and doing what he hates to do, but doing it like he loves it. He has loved starving himself or whatever it is. I mean I want to drink water for a week or something.

He just liked pushing himself to the limit because he's so infatuated with discipline. Can I tell you the truth about something? Please. Yeah. So I thought a lot about these days coming up and it's really attractive, interesting, fun, sexy to have. Mr. Mike Tyson here calls his views, people going to watch because of it. The most important reason that I want to be in this story, is because I'm going to be the motherfucking champion

of changing people's lives on the fucking planet. That is my outcome and my goal and the people that put us together helping us do that with the truth because I want to be what customata was to people's lives and their businesses and I want to be here and feel the energy because I knew a lot of this backstory,

heard you, you know, I'm the only going to say is I had the privilege of meeting you with Tony Robbins' house and that day, the stories you told and what you said, this is what human beings need. People are so scared and so afraid And I know I've asked you a couple of times. I'm going to just ask you, try to ask you one more time, though, Mike. What is so special about you is that you didn't tell him to go fuck himself.

And so many people want to tell that person who is standing for their future to go fuck off. You had no training, no background in listening to people and being disciplined at that. What I don't understand is the miracle of you and how you didn't tell that white guy to go fuck himself and seeing him is using you, how did that happen so people who are listening can do the same thing so they can get to help me and not be a little runaway bitches running. You want to know? I want to know. Please. I was scared to death of him.

I was scared to death. That's why I didn't do no stupid shit. He put the fear of God in me. How do you do that? I don't know, but he did it. I was a slave. Everything he told me I would do it. If he told me to kill somebody, I would do it.

Amen. And lock that in, everybody. Next time you feel like you've got to go to some consciousness retreat for mindset and being flow. That's the champion of the fucking world that people would say it was the greatest heavyweight of all time. Nobody should talk to yourself. No, we don't need to talk to nobody. I know it sounds crazy. You might want to be good.

Talk to yourself about that. You know, we don't know who we are. We might be gone. We might be the aliens we're talking about all that guy to be the aliens. We might be. As a matter of fact, I think we are there. alien. They got us thinking that some aliens, like, we're the aliens. Well, thank you. So if I can ask you this, right? So how do you tell the difference,

though, right? So at some point, Don King comes in, I'm not here, you know, I'm not here to put you saying anything you don't want to say, right? But Don King comes in, he's got to look like he's got a lot of value to bring into your life. He's going to promote fights, do things. How do people, how, if you could go back and tell your younger self, like, would you still have entered the relationship with Don Quay. Yeah, I don't know why. I'm going to explain this to you. I lost my mentor.

I was injured. I was sick. I wasn't strong anymore. I lost the stress. A major part of me. And so that's why I was very vulnerable. I was looking for that, that Voh-a-Mano. And how long was, this, forgive me, I don't know this,

how long after Custamato passed is Don King swoop in? Two years probably. Well, no, one year the way then died in 83? No, 84. 485 so this guy comes down a year and a half right all right cool the one thing real quick we've got two more video clips let's go see when Mike Tyson becomes the undisputed youngest the youngest heavyweight champion history of the world let's go take a look at that right now now is a right to the body and an uppercrug is down this one is going to be over i believe

it's over that's all and we have a new era in boxing the winner by a geeky K.O. and youngest and new. W.B.C. heavyweight champion of the world. Michael. Well, I see my son to me this now. My little baby boy. See, your son's how old now? He's 14. 14. You have a daughter 16, right? Yeah. So how do you feel when you see that? And what did Custamato say after that, please? Well, he wasn't a little alive. He died before I became a chap. Right. I do, I'm sorry, from in your heart, your mind, what do you think Custamato

same to you. Oh, what he said about the fight? Yeah. You're sloppy. You meant moving your head. You're swinging one punch at the time. You're not moving head. Listen, let me explain what kind of guy we're talking about. Yeah. I had an amateur fight. And listen, man, please, when I say this, man, you have to believe I'm very serious. I believe you. I'm an amateur fight. The national in the finals. I knocked the guy out in eight seconds, right? No, no, no. And what Cuss said? If that guy was a little bit more experience, he went to hit you. You didn't move your head. You just went right through him. It's powers him through him, like this muscle he just went through him without moving your head after you punch. If he was a little bit more experience

he would hit you. And I, you know, I'm scared, like I said, I have highest respect for him. And I'm like, yeah, you're right, because I do see that. You're right. I didn't believe that, But I said, yeah, you do, because I'm just afraid of the guy. I'm not going to say, no, no, because I could have been no way, because I would never talk to that I would never do. Then he'd never have to worry about me saying, you're wrong. No, that would never happen. I'll say, yeah, you're right.

I'm going to work on that. Michael and Michael, do you hear that? Michael and Michael, you hear that? No, working on. Yeah, yes. You're hearing it from this man. Listen, you didn't want him to go on a rampage. He was an anger freak.

You didn't want him to go on a rampant. So you're yes, sir. Yes, sir. Amen. And the power, the power of mentorship and leadership. You need it. Anyone that doesn't have one is going to be screwed. I don't know how much money he got or anything.

We've seen it happen to the richest guys. How they just had nobody to take care of them and they have wanted to shit. So let's go to that then. This is, and again, thank you. This is incredible. It really is. Like the value you're adding, greatest podcast we've done yet. Facts.

Love everybody. had a lot of famous people on, this is the best because it's the truth. It's not just, you know, luck and you had to work for everything. Go man to man in the arena. Oh, 100%. Listen, my guy was, if I went to a school dance, right, and it was getting late and I was going to say, well, I'm going to call, wait, I'm waiting for the cab. He said, waiting for a cap.

I got to stay up. Run! Run home now! I got shoes on. I'm at the dance, the school, and then I could leave my girl and start running. She got to catch a cap. I can't wait for the cat. I'm serious.

I got to start running at home. And shoot. Dressed up looking nice with my grass and ride at home. That is amazing. Okay. So, Custamato passes.

What was that like for you? And how does that turn into a different era of your life? It was almost suicidal. I didn't want to exist anymore. I wanted to do it with him. He made this... Excuse me.

He made this fucking ride exciting. He was the one. He was the push. He made it right. I didn't know anything about being no champion. He made a little fighting. From all my heart, I'm sorry. I am so sorry that happened.

I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry for Custamano. I'm sorry for the world. Because what that would have looked like in the rewriting, you rewrote boxing anyway, but what that journey would it look like if Custamano was still there with you? It was meant to be.

What was it meant to be. He's going to shake this place up. This is what a mentor make you do? Great mentor make you do that you talk about. Amen. The little guy, he wasn't afraid of nobody. How big you are, tough, you weren't afraid of nobody. And the reverence in love, you hear from Mike Tyson.

That's who you should beg to be your mentor, your coach, the person who's impacting you, somebody who has the mastery of the skills and somebody who caused this in your heart and your soul in your being. No, a little old man, 78, not afraid of nobody. Knife gun, and I'm afraid of you. I'm afraid. So it's okay then, Mike, if I ask you,

what happens from there when that mentorship is gone? The vacuum is created. Other people come in. How do you, what does that do to your trajectory, your life, your career from there? It throws you off for a while. I got blinded. You know, I was just fortunate, you know what I mean?

God, you know what I mean? Bless me to last long enough. I didn't give any, you know, because during those periods of time, you think about killing yourself, you know. And I didn't do it. A couple of times I thought when I got married, I thought about it, or I got divorced, I thought about it. I used to emotion I never thought I could survive.

You know, and I did it, I made it. You know, his training helped. Thank you. And so choices people make, you know, have all these influencers online. I love there's a quote that you said recently with something like, I'm not going to get exact, you put it out, something like, oh, people can hide behind their keyboards now and be disrespectful and not get punched in the face. Tell me about that.

Tell me about we think about the world today. I think about people posing, pretending to be something they're not. You know, please. It's just that we live in the world now that, and listen, I'm not picking on nobody. particular group or anything. I'm just saying what it is. You know, the computer, what's the, what's the thing we're on again? Chat GPT or whatever it is. That's the pedophile or child rapist. That's his dream. That's his dream. Those guys get in touch with more kids than anybody does now. You know, and that's been, and it's been, I don't like that.

It gives all the bad guys all the power, you know. You know, if you do. Well, if you can go back and give yourself some advice after Cuss passed and talk to younger self about it, donking, becoming a part of your life, you know, what would you tell your younger self? Because some of this was really valuable. You made a lot of money. Oh, listen. I made a lot of money.

That wasn't a valuable. It was more valuable than making all the money. It was losing it. You know, that was more valuable than having any of it, you know, because you realize, that that doesn't define you. You know, I realize, even more than myself, I realized people looked at me, your mic, where are a billion dollars in your mic?

Where's $0.40? You're still Mike, you know? I never treated anybody bad when I was on top of my game. I never treated anybody bad when I wasn't doing what I used to. I was always Mike. And that's just what I lived on. You know, broke Mike, rich Mike, whatever, my mic. And if you gave advice to somebody, though, right? So you had an incredible mentor that you believed cared about you

and the way you wanted to be cared about. Then later you had people come into your life that maybe, I'm not sure, but it seemed like from things I've heard and read that you said, right, that didn't care about you. Well, they're mentors too. They're bad mentors, but they're mentors to you learn some of them as well. I look at everything that I experience in life is just a learning point, a learning moment in my life. You know, something that I can even make it a crutch or so I can make it a good experience and learn from it.

Yeah. And what did some of those people do? You know, it seems like Cuss gave you discipline. He gave you tools, you know, and it seems like from what I've read and heard, I'm not sure, right? You can tell me if I'm right or wrong. It seems like the bad mentors gave you vices, gave you you know parties and a surface level see the custom model gave it this deep level that you had purpose and other people tried to give you surface level things you know jewelry and cars and women and things like am i hearing that correctly and true this is this is this is what some people this is that like means powers having a lot of money to cuss powers giving money away that's the difference is him and some people. Because when he believes, the more you give away, the more powerful you are. That's awesome. Well, that's just how he thinks.

I don't think I think like him, but that's just how he thinks. That's how he thinks. The more you get, the more you give. Awesome. And what do you think? What do you think from here? What's life about for you from here? You know, you have a beautiful family.

That's what's all about. The people you care about and the people that care about you and guys just love each other. That's what life is all about. You can't love the people that don't love you. Even if you love them, you can't make them love you because it's not meant to be. The people with you, even if they're not blood family, I saw some people, and I've done it too.

Well, sometimes your blood family is not doing right, so you have to make your own family in the street sometimes. So it happens. Whoever you consider your family, your lifelong friend, you'll stick together and show guys against the world. Thank you. And let's go back then in time for that. Let's talk about some bigger problems in the world.

You've seen it up close and personal. You said coming from, you know, Brownsville and all the pain and insanity of that. What are gangs? Why are gangs so attracted to kids? And is there any solution to that? And were there positive things that came out of for you being a gang? I was really never a gang guy. We had crew with friends.

We never said we had this or that. We just had friends with friends. We just hung together. We just did a bunch of stuff together. What you do get from gangs are power. Normally the guy, normally the big, tough guy on the grocery corner, you go to the store, he's there to pick you up.

But now he knows you've got 20 guys that you hang out. He's hanging with those 20 guys in the corner all the time, huh? He's not going to say nothing to you. But hi. That's just how it goes. He knows you're hanging out with all those guys that caused all that trouble that are shooting people, that shooting that people.

Hey, man, how are you doing? He's not going to bother that guy anymore, and that's a little guy. He's not going to bother him never again. Maybe if he did, then what happened to him, if he lives through it, he'll never barred to those guys again. That's just what the gang does. You only have one time to violate them.

Can you imagine what kind of power that gives somebody that had been picked on most of his life? Yeah, incredible, right? It's like powerlessness to powerful. So is there a solution? You know, if you were there and you could do anything, tell the politicians or governors or business people, Anybody who cares.

Is there a fix? Just get these guys some jobs. Prepare them for some jobs or something. You know. That's why, you know, listen, I'm just saying this because I know really there's some people in America is just so good they don't want to work. And they don't have to be poor. They can be middle. Sometimes they don't want to work.

And that's why we have problems with ICE because the people that are coming in here, they want to work. you know and I know I know people don't like that but what are you going to do with people that want to work against people that don't want to work you know I never just understood that but I understand I understand this too illegal criminals coming here killing people and murdering people too

that got that has to stop that's happened that's the only thing Trump they're not letting Trump really to go go loose on he they're letting them hold he's holding back from the ice people now he's not allowing them really to do what he really feels they should do. I'm just a strong believer that we should protect the country,

and keep the people that want to be in this country and make this country stronger should be in this country. Well, thank you. You're certainly one of those profound leaders. And so from here, Mike Tyson, what's the rest of this journey? I hope you're here for another 100 years on this earth. What's it? Well, I wouldn't want to be another 100 years.

God, no. But what is it about from here? I mean, it's family, but it's still things that on a mission level or professional level, you're here today. A lot with family. Family have to understand this, that regardless of politicians, religion, whatever it is, we're still family. We don't have to be enemies because we have different beliefs than what religion or politician. We're still blood families. That's not fight, you know.

That's what's going on now, crazy. biggest, listen, I think this has probably been the biggest family disputes since the history of politics since Trump's been involved. Friend and family, they're having disputes now. Amen. And so when we're hearing from Mike Tyson, who get in the ring and knock somebody out and through the ropes, is we're hearing, let's come together. A hundred but, let's have peace.

If he got, listen, what's the guy mandonni, the communist guy? If he got wrong with that guy, God, what enemy do we have? He's not mad at anybody. I never in a million years thought him in the sky would get along. Not in a million years. I was there at the White House, and I saw the meeting. It was beautiful. He didn't have the slightest idea that would go that way.

That's beautiful. So with that heart and that love, at one point you have a fight with an Olympic gold medalist, Michael Spinks. And me and my friends save up all of her money. and it costs like $40 to go see it in a movie theater about 20 minutes from here in Hackensack, New Jersey. We get our popcorn, we get our soda, we're ready to see Mike Tyson and Michael Spinks go at it. And would you give me my 40 bucks back?

I was told that for a long time. So let's go see what that looks like. Oh, God. It lands to the head of Mike Spick. It's Tyson all the way here. No, no one. Bigger shots for the buddy. Not really heavy landing yet, but he's taking them.

Cut, body shot, down goes. Mike's spitz for the first time. The count was up to four and five, and six, and seven, and eight. That was a body shot that took him down. It comes Mike Spake's in. He leads to the right head. Wow. How he goes.

I don't think you get out from this. Mike Spence is right on his back. The count is up to five and six, and seven, and eight. He won't be able to go it. It's all over. Mike Tyson has won it. Spitzelma full back throw at the Perman's first round knockout. For Mike Tyson, unbelievable strike.

It came in the first round. I didn't even get a sip of my soda. That was really wild. I don't even know that guy. I don't look at that guy. Who the hell? How do you feel about that guy that did that to Michael Spinks? He was just a child.

I was in love for really the first time. I never had really a girlfriend before. and I'm 21 years old and I have a wife. You really? I probably have one or two girlfriends. The next thing you know, I have a wife. I didn't even, I wasn't even experienced with women or nothing. I was going to be a fight.

I was really a knobhead back then. And how afraid of you, when you came out there, could you feel the fear of your opponent when you were getting the instructions or you didn't feel that you didn't think about that? What was present, what were you thinking was in your mind? as you're standing there against Michael Spinks, could you feel hit... I'm just waiting for the bell to make.

That's not going to do anything if looking at each other. You know, you want to hit the guy to make something happen. It's going to go, ding. That's awesome. Could you feel the fear of your opponents at that time, like that they would be standing there

because you feel their fear or you weren't feeling that? I could feel, you could listen, you know. I mean, I try to explain this. It depends on the instance. It's all about energy. Sometimes I go into the ring, the center of the ring, move my attitude,

and the guy puts his head down, and he doesn't look at me. And I go back through the corner, I say, this guy's coming to fight. I'm going to keep my hands up, and just drag, move my hand, because I can see he's come home. I can tell when the guy doesn't look at me,

normally nine times out of ten, probably eight out of ten, he's coming to charge right at me. He's coming at me. It never fails. It never fails. Because I see the, their energy tells me I'm giving it all.

don't give it them it's gonna go all of them and give it my best and that's pretty scary because it's got somebody comes down he doesn't care you know anything can happen has nothing to lose there's a little nervous he comes back a little nervous to the ring you said well he's gonna give it all out the first round well thank you for that so how many minutes we have left 10 okay so we have for 30 minutes already really we're having fun we kick So now, okay, I'm going to ask you some questions that, again, I promise not try to put you on the spot. Put you in a spot.

What a lot. No. Okay. I love Muhammad Ali. I love Mike Tyson. Muhammad Ali and his prime with Angela Dundee. Mike Tyson, his prime, Custamato. What happens?

Like, what does that look like? What is that all about? Right. So, you know, Muhammad Ali never loses those. years in his career. Kussela loved that fight. Kuttsa, love Mahmali so much. He loved that stuff.

I love Ali. I love the greatest. I love my mind. I just think it's the greatest. He inspired me that. When I first time, I was in an institution called Spaffin in New York City, and we came there and they showed the movie, it was not in 1977, they showed the movie the greatest. Then the movie, the lights went on and Muhammad Ali walked in.

You know, like I go to visit those kids at home, he came to visit us. I said, wow. And I wanted to be like, I want to be like that guy. And then next time I go to the next reformatory, some guy didn't teach people how to box. It was just ordained by God for it to happen, for me to see him, and say, wow. So what do you think that fight, before you get into who would have won a loss,

like what do you think the fight would it look like, what would it have been like putting your styles together? Tell us about that fight. Definitely. This is what different about Maham Ali that other people don't see. Ali is, he's just different. It's hard to explain them. It's just hard to explain this guy, you know, because he's the kind of guy.

Like we say a guy like Lister and Lister and George's from him, those guys are ferocious animals, monsters, or they kill anybody. But Ali handles him, those two guys like they're nothing. Anybody else those guys would kill him, wipe the floor with them. But Ali beats them like they're nothing. Then they fight Ali. Ali's like two finale. He fights Frazier.

Like two Finale, anybody could want. He fight Norton. And Tufreira, anybody could. Norton and Frasier fight these guys forming. Forman chills him like that nothing. They fight Ali. Ali gives, they foremost kill each other with him and Ali. Ali fight these monsters.

He kills him. He knocks them out. So, styles have a lot to do with fighting. You know, the bigger and tougher you are, the more Ali kicks your ass. These guys that's not as tough as other guys, they give them tough fights for some reason. Styles make fights. So how about putting your styles together?

What would that have looked like? What do you think would have happened? What do you think customata would have said would have happened? Wow. I don't know. He never was a... He told me nobody in the world could beat Mama when I was a kid. Well, here's something I'm going to tell you.

And I'm not a boxer. I was a baseball player, football player, wrestler. And I'm not customato. Here's something I have never wanted to admit, because Muhammad Ali was my favorite of all time, right? Is I truly believe, and I don't want to say this, but I truly believe you would have beat Muhammad Ali. And at that Spanx fight, my friends and I sat there,

and they were even bigger Mike Tyson fans than I was. I really appreciated you. I was like, you're great and amazing, but I loved Ali. So anything that was even getting near Ali's legend, I was like, no, no, no, no, no. So I was like, Larry Holmes, no way. He beat Muhammad Ali.

When Muhammad Ali was already old, no way, no way. So when you were coming up, I was afraid that you were going to become the greatest of all time and replace Muhammad Ali. I truly believe this. I do believe you would be in Muhammad Ali. Thank you. I do.

That's pretty awesome. I really appreciate that. But me, when I look at Ali, you know, I think of the guys he'd be. and the kind of men that he beat, the personality they are. Like, listen, as soon as they come off, they come off from the airport,

a bus station, they see a cop, a cop. This is their racist time, late, late 50, the early 60, he see a cop. He goes right after what, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. They killed blacks for so much left than that back then.

And, you know, and Ali beat these guys like there nothing, talk about their mother, talk about screwing their sisters and mother-wife fight. No, listen, you think I'm playing. I don't know. Listen, Alie was fighting for him,

right and the the announcement that talked to the referee what was going on in the clenches with him and former and the referee oh my god i can't say what he was saying oh you can't believe what he was saying about the guy's sister and his mother he said i just can't tell the referee was saying he was just saying i can't say what he was saying i just can't believe he said that and he said i can't believe he had time to say that why he's fighting i'll he would talk about your mother, your sisters, having sexes. Why he's fighting. Why he's fighting? He's talking about all this crazy stuff. He wasn't a normal guy, man. He something was wrong with him. How are you in a fight of your life? This guy's a killer. You talk about his mother and his

sister and doing things? Oh, God. Joe Frasier, did you hear this man? This man is crazy. He's talking to him. How do you talk about a guy's mother? Joe Frazier think he's totally out of his mind. How does he have chance to talk? fighting these guys. You're talking with their mothers and sisters, God. So what I'm hearing Mike Tyson say is that the reason Muhammad Ali was the greatest or may have been the greatest, who knows what would have happened with Mike Tyson, without the loss of Custamato, who is inart, I mean, inarguably people say that you Ali are

the two greatest Hebrates of all time, which is interesting because Rocky Marcian was undefeated. There was a different time, a different place. But what I'm hearing you say is that the reason, one of the reasons, Muhammad, was so great and so successful is because his influencing skills his ability to control people's minds when they fought like the rope of the open that year

he gave people a hope tell us about that no he just gave people a hope but he beat the greatest odds that's what was big about our league when everybody thinks he was going to lose the listening the monster then after that then listen pro to jay another ferocious vicious

scary monster then he beats them like they're nothing people are worried people are writing letters please don't fight them don't fight them don't fight him, then he beats these guys. Because Joe Frazier had beaten Ali after he came out of the Supreme Court thing. And then Foreman destroys Frazier, right?

And Norton as well. And Norton as well. And those both got, they both beat the shit out of Ali. Frazier and Northern. They're only two guys that beat for Ali. This guy is oblivious, though. Incredible. Well, I mean, how amazing is it an honor

to talk to Mike Tyson about Muhammad Ali in these fights? Like, this is a dream of mine. So thank you for that as well. in our final couple minutes um you know like the what did you for fun i mean your family i know you you love pigeons that i knew somebody who knew at one point i think you had a hawk does that right at one point you had a hawk that you play with in the desert right uh i was on the phone one time with someone who was on the phone with you when you were out with your hawk in the desert and that was a you know a fun special moment i was like listening as as you were doing that but what's fun

for you now i know you love animals i know you have kids you for charity and believe or not i can't believe i'm this It's my wife and my kids, you know, it's a trip. And I mean all the eight of them, not just the younger ones, but just all of them, they all became, even though we have our different beliefs and stuff because they're adults, but we always support each other, always family together. And some of them don't get along, but I know they fight together for each other, it's just family, you know. And sometimes I wonder, I wonder what it's like being my siblings, being my daughter, some,

Is that a pain in the neck or something? That pressure? I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. How about this? Movies. So I know you said you love cartoons. Yeah.

I know you love the Rocky movie. I know you love Bruce Lee. Any other things. So I know you love Rocky, Bruce Lee. Any other cartoons, things. Like what are movies, heroes, stories that you like to watch? Wow. Yeah.

I love the, I like the Jet League movies and all. all that stuff, the Sunday movies on the Kung Fu Theater and all that stuff when all the kids. That's pretty much inspirational stuff. Mostly they're fighting, they're not fighting another clan, they're fighting the Japanese, and it's all about sacrifice. You're stronger than me. The people are following you, so let me sacrifice my life, and you come back and avenge me. You know, in America, you say, I'm going to sacrifice myself and you're avenging. You say, yes, go sacrifice. As soon as you die, boom, the hell with you. You take all the money for ourselves. But those guys, they're going to sacrifice.

gave you dignity and pride and all the black kids went together. That was the core of the gang theory, too. We all stick together as one. The Chinese movies, that was that, that's what that was all about. We stick with our clan and we, we avenge each other. Oh, thank you. Mike, I'm hearing respect, honor, leadership. And so if maybe we begin to draw to close with this, do you think about being remembered? Some people, like, I'm I don't care about that. Some people, you know, do you care about being remembered? And if so, what do you want to be remembered for?

Not that much, but if I have to be remembered for someone, I never fuck nobody over and it didn't have it coming to them. Me too. That's why I, yeah, that's what I want to be known as well. Amen. I want to thank you for the honor of coming here today, the trust. I thought this was going to be. be amazing and masterful. It blew my mind. It was 100x, but I swear to God. Do I say what I don't mean?

No. I do not. Did you talk to my wife? I will. Do you never talk to her? I will. If you can talk to Bella, I'll talk to your wife. You never talk to her. I thought you talked to, she had all the night things. She knew everything about you. And you never talked to her, huh? I didn't. Yeah. Wow, I thought you talked to her before we got this going on. I would, I would be honest. She knew everything about you. That's why.

No, thank you. That's why I thought you were taught. That's interesting. Thank you. And what I'd love you to know is we close is I think that people chase the wrong things. What custom model taught you is what I was taught by incredible high school coaches and leaders. People told me I could never be division one athlete and baseball player I was, captain of my team. I was going to go on and play professionally if it wasn't for going blind.

and I channeled it into the business and the things we do. And what I would love you to know about me as we close is that there's, in the world, Mr. Tyson, is that there's people out there who really do care like Customato did, and I'm one of those people. And my life, my stand is for people to unlock their greatness. And what you have done for me today is priceless, because here's what it is. I back off sometimes the way Custamato didn't and I give space to people

in ways I shouldn't because I don't want them to feel bad and be mad at me and that's not what Custamato did for you it's not what my coaches did for me because Mr. Mike Tyson you blessed me on a Saturday morning with coming to this space

you've made me a better leader you've reminded me of the truth and I am going to be a 100x more powerful, more effective leader than I was walking that door I was doing pretty good before, but you've made me better, and so is customato, and it's been honor and privilege, Mr. Mike Tyson. I can't believe my wife hasn't talked to me, because she told me that she was talking about you,

that she knew you and talked to you and everything. Thank you. Thank you. And any final things that you'd like to share today? I'm just happy that I came here. I was really happy that I came. Thank you. God bless you, sir.

Thank you so much, brother. Thank you. No, no, thank you. Mr. Mike Tyson, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.