Unblinded with Sean Callagy - The Miracle Mets: Mookie Wilson, Dwight Gooden, and the Power of Belief

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

In this unforgettable episode of Unblinded, host Sean Callagy—entrepreneur, attorney, and lifelong Mets fan—sits down with two legends of the game: Mookie Wilson and Dwight “Doc” Gooden. What begins as a celebration of Sean’s father’s 80th birthday turns into a powerful conversation about faith, legacy, resilience, and the miracle moments that define our lives.Mookie and Doc share raw, heartfelt stories of their humble beginnings—working on farms, being coached by their fathers, and rising from obscurity to the pinnacle of Major League Baseball. From the pressure of Shea Stadium to the unforgettable comeback in Game 6 of the 1986 World Series, they relive the magic, the heartbreak, and the human spirit that made that moment timeless.But beyond baseball, this episode is about heart. It’s about the people behind the heroes, the fathers who taught lessons of discipline and love, and the power of never giving up—even when the odds say it’s over.Humble Beginnings, Unshakable Drive: Both Mookie Wilson and Dwight Gooden rose from small-town upbringings to baseball greatness through hard work, faith, and family.The Human Side of Greatness: Behind the highlight reels are stories of fathers, mentors, and ordinary people shaping extraordinary lives.Game 6, 1986: Relive the play that changed baseball history—Mookie Wilson’s ground ball and Bill Buckner’s heartbreak—and the deeper lessons about persistence and destiny.Legacy and Redemption: Dwight Gooden opens up about turning his mistakes into a message of hope. Mookie Wilson shares how faith and humility continue to guide his life.The True Miracle: It’s not just about winning—it’s about connection, perseverance, and believing that miracles still happen when heart and mastery meet.Episode Highlights00:00 – Sean introduces the guests: Mets icons Mookie Wilson and Dwight Gooden, joined in celebrating his father’s 80th birthday.04:00 – Mookie shares his story: from picking cotton in South Carolina to becoming a beloved Met.10:00 – Dwight reflects on growing up in Tampa, training with his father and nephew Gary Sheffield, and developing his signature pitching style.18:00 – The rise: high school baseball powerhouses, early minor league struggles, and breaking into the majors.28:00 – Mookie’s early Mets years and the tough seasons before the team’s revival.40:00 – The 1986 Astros series: tension, controversy, and Mike Scott’s infamous scuffed balls.55:00 – Game 6, 1986 World Series: the comeback, Gary Carter’s hit, Mookie’s epic at-bat, and the ground ball that changed everything.1:20:00 – Reflection: Bill Buckner’s misunderstood legacy and the meaning of that moment.1:35:00 – Dwight and Mookie on faith, family, and what they want to be remembered for.1:45:00 – Sean closes with gratitude—tying the story back to family, love, and the belief that miracles happen when heart meets mastery. Memorable Quotes“Sometimes the miracle isn’t the play—it’s the people behind it.” – Sean Callagy“I didn’t fail. I turned my mess into a message.” – Dwight Gooden“Opportunity is always there—you just have to be in position to take it.” – Mookie Wilson“You can’t play this game—or live this life—thinking you’re going to lose.” – Mookie Wilson Mentioned in This Episode1986 World Series – Mets vs. Red SoxBill Buckner – and the misunderstood play that defined a generationGary Carter, Ray Knight, Darryl Strawberry – the teammates who turned the impossible into realityGeorge Steinbrenner – remembered by Dwight Gooden for his compassion and beliefListen If You’reA baseball fan who remembers the magic of the ’80s MetsSomeone who believes in second chances and miraclesA leader, parent, or dreamer seeking inspiration from stories of grit, faith, and legacyA New Yorker who knows what it means to believe when it seems impossibleConnectHost: Sean Callagy – @SeanCallagyGuests: Mookie Wilson & Dwight GoodenPodcast: Unblinded with Sean CallagyLearn More: unblindedmastery.com

The star that Dwight Gooden was, the impact, it just isn't like that today. So then, like, when these guys were doing what they did, it was a different universe. You got, you know, Dwight doing that. Mookie is as popular as Emmy Mac, whoever. People should love him. He's heart, soul, core of team. Dwight Gooden has, in my opinion, it's not statistically, but I believe as dominant a pitching season. Because Annie would ever has 1.53RA, 24, and 4, I'm blind, no notes.

This curveball would drop from a hitter's hug to his toes. It was the most insane thing to see. Are you kidding me? To my left, Muki Wilson, to my right, the white good, but this is not just about talking about my professional athletes. Two people who've been involved in some of those historic moments in baseball and sports history period. This is something particularly special.

It's my dad's 80th birthday, John Robert Calig. And these amazing men, as we are rolling with the Sean Calig on the podcast, came to the hospital, hanging out with my dad. tears flowing because, not because they're athletes, not because they're celebrities, because these are people with heart and they're champions. And sometimes it's very difficult for us to relate to people unless it's in the context of something that's truly special in our heart. They talked about in city slippers. Sometimes there's nothing left to talk about Billy Crystal talked about or his friend talking about hanging his dad and they had baseball. And that's all. And that's sometimes

what my dad and I had. And this cake, happy birthday, Mookie and Dwight were there. But most importantly, my dad, these guys walked in, started bawling crying. When I was talking about the stories, my dad didn't know, Dwight and Mookie didn't know you guys were coming. And I was telling the story to my kids in the room and I'm crying. Tears coming down my face. I want to get into what it looked all about personally. But let's hear from these guys first.

And Eny Meaty Mee Mooney Moe. Let's go first to my left to Mr. Mookie Wilson. Met Extraordinaire came up when the Mets weren't winning. Things weren't happening in all the ways you wanted to be happening. and he went from all the way from that to what's been rated the third most I'm calling it the most amazing moment

these boys three and two to move up along first behind the back and Mr. Luckey Wilson pay please that was a little bit about you your background coming up with the Mets where they were what it meant to you

from there to 86 or like how about this from there until Mr. Dwight Gooden comes to the Mets place okay well I think that my history reflect many young people. You come from humble beginnings.

I was born and raised on a farm. Family, 12 kids in my family. And I'm like right in the middle, seven boys, five girls. South Carolina. South Carolina. And baseball is something that we did on the weekends because we were tired of working. So it was a career. What's you doing the heart?

We did everything. What's like the worst thing you ever did on the thing? Picot. Wow. I don't wish that on anyway. Picking cotton is one of the worst things in the world. But picking cotton, corn, cultivating by hand, we don't have all the machines and stuff with the fact that we use, no, get a hole and a rake in your cultivate. So that's why I grew up.

So when you were working on a farm, you've grown up, Mr. Mookie Wilson, and I'm calling Mr. Dwight Good, because it's how much respect the half of these gentlemen. At what point do you begin to think about a future? Like did the future look like, hey, I'm going to live life or I'm going to be doing working on a farm or the time that you start to think about, hey, that could be a different future. Well, when I work on the farm and I didn't have much of a plan because back then most kids when they finished high school, military was the only option. It was either military or the farm. I wasn't working on the farm. I had my field work on the farm. But I was lucky enough to be the first child in my family to go to college.

You know, and because of baseball, you know, I went to college. And when you were at high school, did you think you were going to be a professional like at what point did you first have the thought? No. Being professional baseball was never in my plan. I didn't think about professional baseball until my second year of college. And that was after I was drafted by the Dodgers out of Georgia College. And what round was that?

What? Do you remember what round you were drafted? I was drafted. I was drafted and back then they had the subject to draft which in the winter. They called the winter draft. And I was drafting the fourth round by the Dodgers. And I did assign because I had no play. I didn't call baseball is all about.

So I decided to go back to school. Were you a superstar in high school? Like, how different were you really? That depends what you were in the superstar. I was a really good player in high school. I was, my biggest role was pitching, mostly pitching, pitcher in high school. In college as well. I pitched most of my college growing up to my last year college and that's why I became an opportunity.

And I literally, though, was like everybody like, okay, here's Mookie Wilson. Mookie's coming up. You're leading the league and hits home run. Like as a little league or are you just like really good or were you like the man? Never played little bit. Wow. I played my first all in our baseball in high school. And now I'm going to jump over Mr.

Good. That's a lot different. That's a lot different than your story, right, in terms of baseball and your dad growing up. So if we take it from where your dad and you start rolling and from there as a young, young boy. Well, yeah. So my dad was from Georgia. Same thing in Mukkah, Michigan, a small town called America's Georgia. Wait, you know, he worked on a farm and all that. I'm the youngest of five kids. I'm the youngest. I'm the youngest about 13 years. So I was various poor growing up, you know. I never know that.

Very small kid growing up. I was born in Tampa, and my dad was a baseball coach. He loved baseball. Like then, you only got the one game a week on Saturdays. with Joe Gaggagioa and all. Wow. We got all around on Braille's games on the radio. So my dad would get off working night. We'll sit there and my nephew, Gary Sheffield. He grew up in the same house.

He's my sister's son. And for this, I don't know. I'm sorry about any of the jump in for things that people don't know. Gary Sheffield was also an incredible Major League Baseball player. And that's Dwight Goodman's nephew. So imagine they're rolling in this family, like Dwight Gooden and Gary Sheffield. I grew up in the same house. But my sister, I'm young.

She had him at 15. So basically my parents raised and he grew up like a, brother. We shared the same bit at one time. Um, so all we want to do is for baseball, because my dad coached little league baseball, coached semi-pro baseball, and coached girl softball. Did he now was a great player growing up himself, right? He said he was. I never seen him play. I never seen a play. His claim was, but no one's not playing. My mom never seen play. So I'm like, but I tell you what, though, to his credit, the one thing I regret, but for my dad past, I never found out where did he get his knowledge from? Because he taught Gary,

he knew Gary was going to be a hitter. And he said, you knew I was going to be a pitcher. Even though I wanted to be a hitter. But he said, no, your best thing, I'm going to be a pitcher. He talked Gary, like, when Gary said, we got that bad, that was all for timing. He talked Gary about hitting. He talked about pitching. I had the high leg kick.

That was all about time and get my arm time and getting a good place to throw. So he told us all that. Like, when we first go to the park, like, he came on one day for work. He said, I was like baseball. I don't remember, but my mom said, I told him that one day I want to go on TV. So he said, okay. Like coming home from school, we're going to the park, where I'm going to stay.

So he'll take us to the park, no glove, no bat, no ball. So it wasn't fun. You know, Gary's working a thing, swaying the stick. I'm over here going to my wind up, no ball, no glow of nothing. And so I'll go home and it to my mom. Yeah, I guess I hit his part doing this crazy stuff. He don't know what he's talking about. So you're like, you like, did you ever see the karate kid?

Yes, yes. So you're like Daniel, sound wax, wax off. I don't know what you're doing here. So I told my dad, I don't want to do this. Guy, I'm like, you don't know what you. You know what he's talking about. You know, I started thinking. Then my oldest brother told me, no,

just stick with it, bro, you never know. You got them to do out of school anyway, and stuck with it. And then as I started getting older, I just stood it. Like, if I threw a ball, like, said that Mookie's batting for the left side, I'm trying to go down and in, but the ball is up and away. I wouldn't know because my arm didn't catch up in time.

I got here. The reason I got here because I was rushing and stuff like that. So I knew that at a young age, because my dad was, I taught me all about mechanics, which they're already teaching anymore today. So by learning all the different things, and down in Florida playing baseball, the weather's always great so you play you around. So even when the season was over, we'll get together and meet halfway and play guys from our

school that lived in different neighborhoods and play. That's what we did. And then also up north, like in New York now in New Jersey, you have stick ball. We used to call it a strikeout where you have a guy, two guys on a team, you got a tennis ball, you play. if you hit on one side of the street, the other side is out, so that's what we'd go up playing. And so baseball is what always wanted to do.

When I was a kid on Saturdays, you know, you get up, there's no school. So you have your cereal, I'll go outside, phone balls to house, or find one of my friends to play catch with. Baseball is the only thing that I wanted to do. A lot of times you can ask, if you want to play baseball or do you be doing, something with baseball, I'm sure, because I didn't know nothing else.

Baseball is my ticket. I was just forcing them to play baseball because I don't know what I'm doing. And you're a big time standout. So I have a gerer automobile for a big time standout in the league as you going to high school. But the high school you play for is like rich and crazy superstar stud baseball players. Like this is, you know, I'm a big numbers guy. You had guys from your high school getting drafted high, right, beside you.

Am I right? Yes. So I don't know you remember, Mike Heath. Yeah. Play with the Tigers a little bit. He was Jackson. I think it was 72 or 75. from that year to even after I was like Shefford graduated in 96.

It was the number one pick every year from 70 to 75 at a high school. My number one, number one for high school. We had 25 guys I just found out 25 guys that played in my little league part, not high school, my little league part that played at least one in the major leagues. That's crazy. From my little league part. Right. So.

I'm sorry. I go ahead. So my really, and we tried to make Gary trying to get that back into our part. We play the inner city and the kids don't get the same opportunity because traveling baseball now all the best players. And a lot of guys can't afford that. So we try to have clinics and different things like what we played to get that because it's good to give donations. The kids, they want to ask questions. They want to touch you.

They want to know how did you do it. So we're trying to get back to the time to get opportunities. But my high school at you said, first of all, I'm saying we know we don't want to state. The tea we have, we don't want to stay. Wow. All these number one track. Now he's Buki Wilson coaching. The staff we had in 1981 for my junior year, okay?

So we played Tuesday, Friday, Saturdays, all three pitchers, got Van Fublis, big lefty, while six, six, five, six, six, six. No more picked with the dog. This is in the wrong state deal. We had Albert Everett, Albert Everett, number of pick by the 20s than 81, as Cory Edwards older brother.

It's crazy. And Floyd Yomers, with the number tier picked by the Mets in 82, I couldn't break the rotation. the release picture. Imagine, imagine his wife couldn't get off rate the rotation. But I can hit, though. I'll be a lot of. I asked to be a car. I'm like, would you have been a professional hitter? He says no, I say yes. But five or a lot. So I couldn't make that out of the release picture. I was like the closer. Yeah.

For me, my halfway to my junior, you almost got kicked off the team for missing practice a lot. He moved to California with his dad. And I got into a rotation, my half right to my junior. year. And if that, if Jonathan get a club team, I went to pitch into my senior year. I'm really. Because club ladies than ever was seniors. But I got in my junior year, I think I went like five and over and a once on me already. But my senior, I had a better junior than my senior year. My senior, I pitched like almost every game. I mean, I would start Tuesday. Depending on the score, I might release Friday. And then depending on when we play on Saturday, I might start coming in that game. So it's a wonder how anything left was.

Coach him been arrested for doing that today. So you're 17 years old. Yes. I'm sorry, as a junior, you were 17 or 16? 16. Your birthday's when? November. November.

So you're turning. You turn in. So you graduate high school at 17. Yes. Got it. So you're 16 years old. Three years later, you'll be the major league rookie in the year. Am I correct?

Yes. Right. And so then back to Mr. Mookie Wilson, I'm coming back to play in a sec. So, Muki, Dwight, was just talking about how he had incredible. incredible coaching from his dad. At first he thought his dad was crazy, right? Most of the people do. What was it for you?

Like, how did you learn to play this? What was it? Self taught, you have some great mentors, coaches. And then, you know, if you don't mind taking us from there to get drafted. And all of a sudden, you got this hot shot.

Who's this guy a rookie coming in? Go ahead. Well, I guess. So who is it for you? Yeah. Well, first of all, I never had a formal coaching.

Everything that I learned to baseball, I learned from my day. Wow. even in the major leagues things might be thought these things that I used that save me in the game because we didn't have

the real coaches coming to the model leagues that they have now we didn't have hitting coaches and that base light coached all that my father was really big wasn't so much on the mechanical things

of the hitting and the pitching he was all about the mental approach that's what he was really really good at And, no, I was a pitcher, like I said, most of the time I ended up with your ball. And my first game I ever pitched, I pitched to my dad. My dad was the catcher. So, and that was.

How old were you? I was about 13. Wow. What was your dad's baseball background? My dad was the catcher, and he played, and they called a semi-propera, called Sala. We played every Saturday. Every Saturday we played. And that's what that was, that's what we did.

So when I was 13, I got to play with the adults. You know, at 13, you know. All right. So you were a big time stand. I mean, you're playing, you know, 13. When I got high school, I'm like, I could play in Little League out. Or I could play in the grown mid already and stuff. As a freshman high school, did you start varsity?

Yes. Wow. So this is incredible, right? I mean, you guys both played in the Hesule League. You're having, because your high school is so crazy. You're having a difficult time being starting rotation as a junior. Mookie's there starting as a freshman, but obviously you guys just complete rock stores. So you get drafted, find a math.

Yeah. And what happens with what's minor leagues, that journey from minor leagues to major leagues? What's that like for you? When I was drafted by the Mets, I was drafted by Dodgers first and did sign. I went back to college. When I was attracted by the Mets. And honestly, I didn't know who the Mets were. I had no idea because the Pro Bowl was not something we watched. We had only only only seen in the one game that you could watch television. It was always the Braves. That's only seen in the Carolina. The Braves. No one was braves. And dragged by the Mets. I signed. I was drafted. in the second round. And it was tough. It was really tough because I had no idea that Mali ball was that rough. I had no idea that the push-rise, hotel or competition, and even the ball parts.

So you're drafted in, what, you're 80? 77. Oh, sorry, 77. So you're drafting 77. Yeah. And how much did you get paid to playing the minor leagues in 1970? Do you really want to know? I didn't.

Okay. All right. I was almost embarrassing to see what I did. I was drafted the second round and I had a $22,000 bonus. Second round, that's what I got as a bonus. And what's the second round bonus today? Oh, God, this got two. It's almost a million.

Yeah. But anyway, and I would be 500 bucks a month. $500 a month. A month. As soon as you. Before taxes. Wow. More time, sir.

Did you do other jobs? In the winter, in the winter, yeah, you had to. You had no choice. Yeah, there's no choice. You had to work during the winter, so you couldn't devote your time to training. And there was never, the only training we got was the week before spring training. That was it. Wow.

Yeah. So were you a fast run? Well, 77, your debut at the mess is 1980. 1980. Okay. So what's that, you know, that were you pretty confident once you're in the minor leagues that you were, on a normal pacing to get from major leagues or you weren't so sure if you're making it? I didn't know because I wasn't aware how pro baseball worked.

You know, it was like a day-to-day thing to me. Just talking with guys and stuff, all I wanted to do is just move up. You know, you play rookie ball. And I played rookie ball in my first two months, which I signed like in July because I went to a Cold War Series in June. And I signed in July. So I played the last two months. And then the next year, I got moved for rookie ball to double A.

So I skipped the A ball league because I've been in, I'm a college, college player, so I did skip that. One year in AA, then I played two years in AAA. And the second year in AAA is when I got called up. Got it. And so you come to the Mets and by 19, so 1980, when you come for a little bit, by 1981, when do you first start to become a more regular player than that's? I played every day when I first got here. I mean, in 80, when I got hold up, I played about every game that last month of the season. But 81 was my official rookie year, and I made a team as a starting right field.

Wow. In 81. I made a team at the starting right fielder. and I had to play in a lack of month or whatever Jotori benched me. I never forget him for that. I never forgave him either for benching me. But I was in about 240, 250,

and he benched me and said I was struggling, so he put him to bench. And I was out of the bench for about another month, and then their team was so bad. I never forget that we were in San Francisco. And they had a meeting, and the coaches came up to me and said, We had a meeting and you're going to be to be center, center field.

And that's Joe Tori? Joe Tori doesn't want to tell me. The one of the coaches told me. You know. So it was done before Joe Tori's becoming a legend with the Yankees. I'm a Mets fan. He was the MET head coach,

a Mets manager, excuse me? Met manager. And he wasn't doing when he was doing with the Yankees of the Mets. Well, yeah. In all honesty, Joe, in all honestly, he didn't have a whole lot of words. Yeah.

So this does tell you, you need players. You know, you can be a great mind. You need players. Which was working out. So, 1981, if I could hit your death real quick. We go to Shea Stadium. It's the winter. Nobody's there.

I'm 11 years old and is fifth row behind the dugout. And I said, these are incredible seats. We sit in them. And my dad, so hey, they have one more thing for us to look at. So we go over and we go to Box 113A. It's the front row right as the edge of the dirt meets the edge of the grass. And this is where Buki Wilson, Dwighton, and my life will intersect.

They don't know it, right? They don't know anything about it. They don't know about it now. But our lives or our trajectory to intersect. And because of what they will do, my life would never be the same. So I thank you for now. I'll come into that a minute. But now, 1981, you're playing.

You're there. Now you're starting. Yeah. And, you know, take us through. Please, you know, move for, you know, quick minute or so. What happens only next couple of years until the Mets get a guy named Dowell Strawberry, kind of into like, Goodden, please. Well, I think that most people probably know the story.

When I came up to 81. And but can you share it from your perspective? From my perspective, we were so bad, I want to go back to Miley's. That's bad. And then we were winning in, my least. We had good guys on the team with Doug Flam, Joe Youngblood, John Stur. They were good guys. but the team was not

we just didn't compete with the other teams and I was happy to be here and I didn't I didn't appreciate I didn't understand what winning meant to New York I didn't understand the love the love and hate relationship that

met fans hair you know they've been struggling And I didn't understand their struggles. And I think that's what is. I didn't understand their struggle because, like I said, I didn't know who were all right about the members. I knew and I had heard that it's great, the amazing mess of 69. I heard about that. But I wasn't a part of it.

So I really didn't understand until I got here. And I didn't understand, you know, the hostility. And that's what it was sometimes, the hostility that they had towards, like the players. And it wasn't a hostility toward the players. It's a hostility because they weren't winning. Yeah. No, and it's a big difference. It's a big difference.

And I learned that early because I go out there and I played hard. I played hard. And I made one crucial mistake. And that is, I'd won every place I'd been. I thought that I was going to do that. But I got to meet with. And then when it didn't materialize and all of a sudden, I felt a little bit different.

Well, maybe you're not as good as you thought. You were because you didn't make that difference. didn't make that difference. Well, at this level, it takes more than one guy, you know. And I had to learn from that and just go out and do the best I could and be the best that I could be and perform up to my capabilities. And that was one thing that got me through those first two years because it was rough. So I'm 7, 8, 10, 11, 11, 21, 12, 13, 8, 283.

And do you want to know how much I booed you guys? Ready? Ready? Zero. Zero. Zero. Zero. I never, in my life, have ever booed, ever.

Because what I believe and appreciate is, how does that help? Yeah. Right? Like, sit in there booing, and I'd love to hear your thoughts in the second. I never understood it. Like, this is your team. Yeah. Somebody, you know, is in a major league, and they're up there.

And somehow I knew this. Like, I don't know. My dad never even told me, though. 70. I'm like, do you think the guy didn't want to get a hint? Yeah. Do you think you want to walk the batter? I mean, the guys are doing the best they possibly can.

And the person that's the most upset, the most hurting, that they strike it on the key spot or give up a home run to key spot is that player. And the other thing I would think, when I'm sitting there, and this is, I'm 10 years old thinking this. I was like, you go out there and try to do it, dude. You drug, heavy set, dude, they're yelling and screwing and booing. Like, you try to get your ass out there. You're not.

I'm not normal. You know, you're different. And I'm not blowing smoke. I swear to God, that's the truth. Yeah. And I've learned that just because fans boo, you bet don't make him less fan. They're still passionate about it. Matt Fair is a passionate, passionate fans. They are very, very passionate fans.

And I just, I guess I've never been booed before. And I think that was part of it. And, you know, but. And I'm not judging them. I think I just think sometimes people, we all do. I do too. We do things that don't make sense. Yeah.

So for me, it's always made no sense. You're building a team. Like, how is that helping anybody? Like, I don't know what's happening. It's like if you're, you know, your kid's six years old and go up and bat and he strikes out and yell at him. I mean, it's crazy. Like, how is that good? So now you at some point.

Yeah. How this, um, hot shot, not that he's saying he's a hot shot, but everybody's saying he's a hot shot. Yeah. So Darryl Strober is the first hot shot. And this guy named Dwight, yeah. And all of a sudden you're in pop like this, there's like some metal in the mitt, right? Is that how? Like, am I right?

Like, did it sound like metal in the mid or no? It was, it was, I tell you what. Or am I just like, well, I just like fluffing up. No, I, I tell you,

we had, when we, Darry came up and there was this very high profile player, coming out of California. French eyes. Everybody heard about the kid, you know, coming out of California.

The next 10th century. Six, and he had just, just beautiful swing. And when I finally saw him, he was about, his leg was like that. He was a real.

kidding, I'm saying, this is what all the hoopla is about. I expect, you know, I expect this big husky. God, I'm really, I'm serious. I expect this God to be just a monster, you know. He said, this is, this is what the whole house is on, you know. And then he started to swing. I can play this quickly at Dallas Rubio on for some point. Then you see him play, and you see him run, and you see him,

so you see him do all the things. and you say, wow, boy, I wish I had those tools. I mean, really, look, because I played out for his office. I said, I wish I had those two. But if I had those dudes, they couldn't pay me enough to play this case. And how tall are you? I only five. Five, nine.

He's six. Yeah, I got a ways to go. I got a way to go. I'm still working on that. You know, it's cool. But, you know, and the same thing with Dwight, you know, got chem. Dwight, the first time I heard of Dwight, he was already in the big least. I had him read by the minor leads and I'm like that, you know,

Um, he had to see any pitch, you know, so, but that I hear talking in the club, I know, the guy, not that the Dwight Good and, you know, tell, I don't, that I'd say a large. Yeah. So, so Darrell's out of Crenshaw, I don't know. Yeah. Like the two meckas of baseball, high school baseball. And you told me a little bit before this that you just saw when he was like, all right, let's see what this is about. Yeah. He said there's a mound presence. Yes. About Dwight Good and 19 years old. Or you saw first time he was 18 years. That's the first thing that I noticed.

Because I'm playing some of the field with Huggish Stingham Field. I'm the part of the Stingfield's old place to meet you through, you know, train or stuff. And I'm sitting in. I'm sitting right. Okay. Let's see what this kid's got. And I'm watching him and high leg kicking it to be high kick and he throw the ball. You know, I'm okay.

Okay, I can do that. There ain't a big deal. Yeah. But let's see him face some hitters. But he approached hitters. the same way he did. It was almost like a warm-up day. And that's impressive.

There's no panic. No, nothing. You just, this kid's guys. You knew something was special by the kid. And I couldn't get guys out consistently that remained to be seen. But the first thing I look for is my own presence. And even this I hear that, the first thing is his prey presence.

Whether you get hypnotic, it's irrelevant. I just want to see how he handles himself to the good and the bad. And that's my most impressive. thing I like about both of those kids. They're in time. They always look like they belong. Yeah. And so the long he did, that can move on his, Mr. Dwight Good.

You are the nationally rookie in the year. And if I get this, I'm correct, who's correct me. But was it 276 strikeouts? No. How about me knowing that? I didn't look at it in the room for this interview. I've known that since I'm 14 years old. Yep, 276 strikeouts.

And my life is changing because I'm, just sitting there in eighth grade, not dealing out on a Friday night to go to the movies of my friends because you're pitching. And P.S, I was the only met fat of all my friends. Most of my friends didn't even like baseball, believe it or not. I played football as well. So, most of my closest friends with football players didn't go. So you're Dominant and everything and you're the guy. Like, how was that rookie season where you mentioned earlier, you go from watching and pretending you're these guys playing? And the next thing you're doing, you're facing the likes of Pete Rose, Mike Schmidt. How was that for you?

First, it was like, it was like a dream. It's a real cause. I used to have more, get more kick out of it. After it gave me a goal moment, call my friends and tell me what I faced it. You're not going to be to what I'm facing me. You're like, you're like, you struck out Mike Schmidt. I struck out Mike Schmidt.

Like they normally believe me, like, you didn't have faced people. But they know I'm in the beginning. And I can't believe it. Because like there was those cell phones. Yeah. Hotel and you call. I face, you know, Delmarfrey. I face Aubrey Dawson and this guy.

But the thing was was, things like Davy you know he's starting me off my first three or four starts he only would only be going like five minutes and this is about

so the Met manager Davey Johnson Dwight Good has this lightning in a bottle where Davey Johnson is his manager in the minor leagues yeah

and Debbie I had Dave in the Model League so he knew me we had a good person of a good relationship so first four and five games like I started my first year

at fusion in the Astrodome so it's kind of like not that he was baby in me but he kind of like the second day in Chicago So it was like, I'll go five or six minutes,

but I remember what gave me confidence and made me feel like you say, you had that one moment. YouTube alone was, mine was being in the Austin game, my first year. I made the All-Star team, and Nolan Ryan was, like,

one of my childhood of Euros, told me, goes, man, you could really pitch. I didn't watch you pitch. And to hear Nolan Ryers to tell me that. I gave me all the comments in the world, that I needed. And I remember after the awesome break,

Davey told me to say, I'll listen on your own, meaning, I can go more than five minutes now. He just kind of let me fall in. But I had good veterans around that made me show comfortable. One guy that really helped me was Mike Torres. From spray training,

to trade, Mike told me, he goes, you're probably going to make the team. And if you make the team, I'll probably go get released. But to Mike's an event, he told me he said, but long as I'm on the team, when you're not pitching him, I'm not pitching, you're going to sit next to me. And I said, why?

Because you know, you're talking about hitters and different things. And what guy you think, anybody that you know he's going to take your position it's going to help you yeah I just sit next to my kid he would say what did you throw here

I said why did you throw it what are you looking for and he basically was teaching me about these hitters what act of integrity what acts of leadership Mike Torres please him

another guy remember Craig Swan Craig Swan Dave Swan he saw he was hurt but he would do the same thing he would talk me to him about pitching how he feel

and then I would have to eat with Mookiee joy a lot of veteran guys so they made me feel comfortable because again I'm a year

a half high school some of the youngest kids so I wasn't really homesick but it was different but they made me feel comfortable made me feel like I can't belong and that went a long and you become the curve me if I'm wrong the youngest player ever to start the major league all-star game or oh sorry the youngest player ever pitch in a major league ball star is that right yes when you're 19 years old 19 yeah yeah please I never been so nervous that game you're just what you call nervous yeah nervous heat I was so nervous I remember funny is thinking about being able to awesome team We had workouts, Howard CoSell was interviewed me.

And it was funny now, but in the time, I was like, because I was real shy and quiet, you know. So I can't remember how to say it from him and Mulma Ali, getting to him all the time. He's interviewed me. Like, I'm saying right here for Mookie. He asked me more questions. But I'm looking at him.

Like, I'm amazed at this is Howard CoSelle. I don't hear nothing he said. I don't hear anything. And so now they're like, Doc, so what do you think? I'm like, can you repeat that? I didn't know what time. They said, okay, let's go to the commercial. I mean, nothing.

I was just so nervous. And then I wanted to get in the game, but I would be okay if I didn't get the game. I was just happy being around with so many players that analyze and I admire. And so when the friend with the kitchen, they called down and say, they'd glick, no, and they should bring you up.

I'm nervous. I'm more nervous that. 19 years old, major league all-star game. And for folks out there that, you know, don't really, can't appreciate this context, it isn't the same today. People always say, no, it's not the same thing. It isn't the same.

Baseball was the American pastime, right? Basketball and football were not what they are today. The star that Dwight Gooden was, the shock, the impact, it just isn't like that today. Baseball isn't televised the same way. People don't watch baseball the same way. It's just a different universe. In those days, like the Major League playoffs, they were on the major networks, Channel 247. That's it.

what's happening. Today it's like channel 78 and this thing and other contracts. Right. So then like when when these guys were doing what they did, it was a different universe. You got you know, Dwight doing that. Mookie is as popular as any MEC ever. People who love him. He's heart, soul, core of team. We go through this this improvement from 1983, Darylstraver worked in the year. 1984, Dwight couldn't work in the year. 1985, the Mets, we think we might win in the vision. They don't quite get there. Dwight Gooden has, in my opinion, it's not statistically, you know, this, but I believe

as dominant a pitching season as any whatever has 1.53RA, 24 and 4, I'm blind, no notes. So I've any new, no scoogie, right, knowing these numbers cold and his curveball. I don't even know pitchers are stopping one hand for a curveball. So there's nothing like sweeper today. this curveball would drop from a hitter's hug to his toes. It was the most insane thing to see. People would like, oh, baseballs don't really curve. Go watch these videotapes with Dwight Cabin pitching.

We'll put some right here. It's totally crazy. So dominant force. Now we're coming to 1986. And we're about to intersect the Box 1 13. Right. Mookie Wilson as the greatest moment in sports baseball history I go with. They call it number three.

Oh, I'm thinking of every million baseball moment. The number three moments. met Steve through the 1986 season, went 108 games. They clinched the division early September. Fans run the field, crunching against Chicago Cubs. I'm going to all these games

of Box 113. Not every game. My dad sneaks me in. We don't have a lot of money, my family, but my dad has these tickets because of work. So every time he can steal me in, he's got a customer that's got a son. He's bringing me.

Maybe sometimes Dwight movie. Maybe he's putting some of those tickets in the back pocket bringing me and him. And here we're going to the games. St. John's party. There's no cell phone. and people could confirm who was there. Maybe my dad had a couple phantom clients

that were sitting in those seats with us. So this is the whole season. We're building up and we're going to win the World Series. I haven't seen the mess with win the World Series in my lifetime. I was born in 1970. My dad would tell me the stories of 1969. We're ready to go. Here we go.

Houston Astros. Tough series. Crazy. Nolan Ryan, Mike Scott. J.R. Richard, Waki and Andrew, all those four pictures were there. Was I right or wrong about that? No, that was gone.

J.R. was gone. It was Nolan, Scott, Nepper. What's a big lefty? The big lefty was up. Be left me. The Shields. The Shields.

I should hit him. Yeah. So it's Mike Scott. It's Nolan Ryan. It's Nepper. It's the Shield. Yeah. So here we're 86.

And Danny Dorian. And then now you end up in one of the great controversy of playoff series of all time, which gets overshadowed by what's about to happen in the World Series because the mats are they lose, was it game one, lose to Mike Scott or game. You can also beat me one nothing. Yeah, beat one nothing. Right.

So Dwighton goes out there and crushes it, gives up a single run and lose one nothing. But now it's a question, Mookie, of the ball. So what's going on to baseball? Mike Scott and one of these great controversies of all time. So what happens? What happens to the baseball Mike Scott?

That's the biggest mystery. My question is what didn't have. Okay. I know we had just a lot of evidence that somebody would do something weird with baseball. You know, somebody would do something with baseball. What people were saying, I'm not going to say, is that Mike Scott was scuffing the baseball, was cheating. Yeah. That's what the word was.

And by the way, baseball is an interesting game. Yeah. So people historically tried to cheat and get away with it. It's like your baseball is a complex sport. So pitchers did things to the baseball, but the Nets now believe Mike Scott scuffing the ball, and it's in their heads. So game one, Mike Scott wins. Was it game four? They came back at one again?

I say what, though, if I could jump in. So I pitched against Mike Scott game one. Yeah. So like, but we say, somehow is scoff the ball. Somebody. I think, it's just my opinion. I think out of that, because they check Mike Scott all the time, never found anything. But the ball is definitely scuffed because I think.

I'll be doing the same ball. I mean, I couldn't get it to do anything. I didn't know either. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. Like, the ball is definitely scoff. But it's in the same spot.

So you hold the ball. It's definitely scoffed. Definitely in the Mets heads. Now we get to game six. It's three games to two. The Mets are up. It's in Houston. If the Mets don't win game six,

they're going to face Mike Scott. Yeah. And face it, Mike Scott, has not gone too well so far. Yeah. I think that's. So the game goes into the 16th inning. Right?

Go ahead, okay. Yeah, no, it is this. This is the part where you chest start back and forth. It's been one of those matches. I would say going into that game, though, we knew that it was going to be, they matched up very well with us.

Pitching-wise, they had pitching speed, good defensive team, they had power. So they matched up with us pretty well. We were a better club, no doubt there. But they had, the X factor was Mike's go. And I think that

Game 6 was a must win because the last thing that we wanted the last thing I wanted was for us to face my scotter game 7 because we had too many players already complaining about my scott So now we're in our hands

Right now in baseball you can't play Like you cannot play That's a defeated attitude You can't play the game like that You can't play a game thinking you're going to lose. And the question was, everyone was saying,

why won't the umpire do something? Why would the umpire do something? They hadn't done anything all year. So why would you think they're going to do something now? Then that really brings about questions. If they had done it all year, they definitely ain't going to do the thing now. So why are we,

I'm saying this, I'm not telling the players, why complain now? It's too late, you know. But anyway, game seven is something we didn't want. So game six was definitely a must win for us. And that could also say that

the only time in the whole year that I felt threatened by another club. Only time. Wow. All the time. And so 16th inning? Sixth inning. Wow.

Please. Game goes back and forth. What was the outfield? Hatchie. Hatcher. We hit that in a whole run. No. I would say it. Billy Hatchel.

I'm saying. I say, I say, what else? You know, and I think the game was going back and forth so much I was so emotionally drained that I just wanted to get the game over with I didn't care who win I want to get it over to start

French today because my chest was hurting just from the thrill literally my chest was aching I'm saying this is too much no one should have to go through this and I'm glad we won it knowing that Mike Scott was going to be in year 7 we wouldn't have anything left we would have but they probably have been the same vote we would have

anything left in the astrodome just there oscar you guys are going in the world series here we go i'm losing my mom i'm 16 years old my next are going to win the world series this is getting the most incredible thing go to game one yeah she's stadium um ball rose through somebody's legs will remain aimless right we don't think don't quite go way yeah yeah and then so we the met's lose game while i'll say we yeah so uh and then we lose game two at home yeah friends are writing up i wrote this whole thing out of like what was going to happen the world series to get to my friends and they're now running the counter story as you guys lose game one we lose game one or two and i'm sicken right um game three in boston win game four in boston win two two the world is right game five in boston doesn't go the way but we're coming home for game six yeah right um

so let's take us through dwight coming into game six what are you feeling what are you thinking Six World Series. We're about to set up the moment that is the greatest comeback in World Series history, period, and rated the third greatest moment of World Series history by some. I'll say number one. And Mr. Dwight, good. What do you feel I'm thinking as game six in New York, in Chase Stadium? Here we go.

I thought we had a good shot at that time before a game start. Me personally, I didn't pitch well in the World Series. Game two, I had nothing. Game five had nothing. So I was looking at like, man, how can, from a selfish standpoint, I'm like, how can that's where the self-pity come in. How can they pull me out of this? But I had confidence that was going to make the shame, what's going to play better because

I thought game one and two, what game what I should say, I think was mentally, wasn't prepared because of what we went through. Yeah. In game six against last year, so I think it was basically there. But again, the road said I didn't pitch well, but I still had confidence in our team. And from a selfish standpoint, I was hoping we did well so I could make to come out of bullet pills, something like that. But I had a lot of confidence in our team that come and make whole way that we still had a legitimate shot. Even before we got down together, Frank was said.

Yeah. I still don't know any of this year. And so we go into this game, Roger Clemens won the great pitches of all time also, pitching that had the privilege after United Twight and after the first time of the next night going to dinner with Roger Clements. And it's a YouTube's all about. game six from your perspective. He told me all about game six from his perspective. So now we're there in game six, it's tied going to extra earnings. And if the Mets lose, this dream season of 108 wings, 54 losses, one of the most dominant baseball seasons

a team's going to ever have, right, it's going to all be gone. My friends are rooting against me like crazy. My heart's breaking and my dad and I, this is the core of our existence in life. As we just talked about in the hospital, Then thank you guys again so much for doing that my dad. And my dad is in the front row. Box 1.13, either of those seats I had the privilege of picking. I'm in the last row over the upper deck. Thrilled to be there.

An extra tickets my dad was able to get sitting with my uncle. And my dad comes up in the beginning of 10th, I think, tie game and says, come on down. I have a broken ankle playing high school football by June year. I start crutching down and Dave Henderson hits a home run. I'm in shock. And later, as a sophomore at Columbia University, we play at the Oakland A spring training facility

in some of our early games in season. I'm in the A's dugout, and I'd bump into Dave Henderson. And this is only three years later. And I said, you know, Dave Henderson almost crushed my heart and my soul as he's packed up. It's not like, what are you talking about? So I told him this privilege to I'm that story. So we're there, and we come into the tunnel

and the Mets are down to run from Dave Henderson and run. I go in, crutching, crutching, crutch on my dad, come out of the lower level who she stayed in tunnel and somehow another run scored I didn't even know what happened right I didn't even hear any crowd noise so I'm like wait I literally thought the scoreboard was wrong

I'm like that the scoreboard was wrong and I'm like what happened like no no I didn't scored again like oh my god it's 5-3 and but as Mookie Wilson would say that's have Wally Backman coming up keep turning in this Gary Gorder right 2 3 4 in the lineup right and so Wally Backman comes up and all of a sudden

flies out Keith Hernandez hits the ball well, right? And he's out. There's two outs. I'm in shock. Tears, I'm 16 years old. You know, the tears are well up in my eyes. Gary Carter gets two strikes.

And this is proof that miracles happen. The statistical improbability of a team coming back in the major league baseball in the World Series in any game, especially in the World Series against the team is grazed of Red Sox, down 2-0, 2-strikes, nobody on to Gary Carter, and he gets a hit. There's no noise in Chase Stadium. It's like dead, right?

And I've never given up. I did not give up. I was not giving up. I refused to give up. In my heart, in my soul, in my mind. But I was, like, in tears, I'm fighting what's going inside of me. As a fan, I'm sitting there

just 20, 25 feet away from the first base bag. And then two strikes again. And it's strong. It's out of. Kevin Mitchell's up. Base hit because Donald Strober is out of the game and a double switch. Then Ray Knight comes up. Two strikes again.

It's unbelievable. Now there's a lot of noise, though. Like, noise is happening. He gets a hit. Chase Stadium explodes. Completely insanity. Now, what's present for me is why everybody wasn't believing from hit number one and why everybody needs.

Like, all that stuff happens. So I'm making some noise. I'll always be challenged. The psychology of people. Right? Mookie, you're such a bright light and things your dad told you the mindset. Why is everybody waiting on something happens? So cheering you guys on the whole time.

I was. That's the truth. Right? And so it's now down one run, right? The Mets have two guys on base off first and third. And up to the plate comes as beloved a Mett who's ever played, the Mookie Wilson. And sir, please take us from, do you walk to the plate? What's happening?

Your heart and mind? What's going on? What happens for you? But first of all, you know how you're... How do I do in that setup, by the way? You're right? Yeah, there's a great setup. But, you know, the one thing that, you know,

when you're growing up and you're dreaming and you're thinking, that you always put yourself in a position to be a hero, you know. I want to be in that position to be a hero. You know, we're dreaming that? You don't want to be there. No, no, I don't let anybody tell you unless you're in that spot. You're in that spot. You know.

you know, that is more than no one should have to bear that type of burden. But Beers was, I mean, that was my spot then, because I had to go from, we are down, we never not going to make, we probably had blown this to, now I got, I got a hit. And I didn't think I could have an opportunity to hit. And I get up there, and I got one thing in my mind right now that is, you know, hey, you just got to do you, do you, which is swing the back. And Dwight, as Muky's up and all this insanity is happening, what are you thinking? Like, what's happening for you? So when Mookie came up, I thought we had a shot, to be honest.

And I'm not just cynical these here. No. Because all the pressure, and he says pressure on him, but pressure, I look at that situation. It's on the picture, too. More on a pitcher. But before, if I can't, before Mookie came on in that, before we got the rally going, once it was two outs. Like, you're taught even in the only game is not over to its own.

but I thought it was done. You try to think of what I could have done differently, what the team could have done differently. You feel bad about yourself. So Pete, all this something in the clubhouse. Then it was a hit. Then it was another hit, a wild pitch on something. Mookie came up.

I'm like, you know, somebody get back out there, put me in front of my goal, we got a shot here. So I had a lot of confidence. At that point, they had a good, legitimate chance. Right. And there's pitch one. Page one.

And page two, please. I just pitch out of the pitch. I mean, I'm swinging with dear life. That's probably my best. I've ever hate. And everybody who, not a baseball fan, right? The, the average amount of pitches that players are going to see in a bat, I think, and I could be wrong about this, but I think it's like 3.1 pitches is the average,

like amount of pitches every batter sees. Like if you look at every bat like in a season. So pinch one to mookie, pitch two to mooky, pitch three to mooky, okay, that's an average of bat. Pitch four to mooky, pitch five to mooky, pitch six to a movie. Now we're like, kind of an outlier bat. Butch 70, the age movie. We're in a crazy situation. The place is going crazy.

And what happens next movie, isn't it? First of all, after the first peach, I won't per my average already. My one-peach person is a game. He's a free-est-splanger fan player. Swing it back. There's a pitcher. The last guy, you want to see that situation, they got us a free swing.

Yeah. Because it's got no holes. Yeah. And that's the way I was thinking about it. The other fire, I took the umpire out of the game. nobody he was not going to have anything to do with it no matter what

and that's kind of philosophy that choked my whole career don't let the empire determine what damn it at but I'm swinging and I'm just fighting balls off and people don't understand

the wild pitch, past ball the baseball depends on whether it depends I'm playing with house morning after that I mean everything is so boogie's up and a ball gets

past the captain. Yes. Just past the catch. Ties the game. Yes. And Shilly Stadium is literally moving. It's moving. Like the whole place could collapse.

Nobody cares. We all died in that moment. None of us. Nobody would have. Right? Yeah. And so it's going crazy. And now it's a tie game.

And mookies up. Please. And I'm saying, no, Katie's cool. It's cool. The only thing I can hear, I can't hear anybody

boo me down. I can only be cheery. You have. You have. I have no idea. All right. All the guy do now is concentrate and doing my job, which is put the ball and play.

And right before this, they put up a book, congratulations Boston Red Sox winning the World Series on the scoreboard Jay Stadium. They got a clubhouse guy puts on a Boston jacket in their dugout, right or run out. They named Marty Barrett of the Red Sox, the MVP

of the World Series. Are you kidding me? That sure sure how much confidence they had it meant. I'm not, but, but I actually had some pictures I should have really, and I was upset because I had two good pictures that I should have really done a lot with. And I think you can probably see my show emotions of one of those swings. I'll never get that way back again because you're going to get one piece to hit, you know. And the Stanley was not, I faced him before.

So I knew. Yeah, I knew what he was going to try to do. you know so I was kind of trying to take that pitch away and when I got the pitch middle end middle end which is a left hand is great but getting that pitch middle end uh about the high and I went at gray and then I kind of turned over it yeah and when I rolled over it you remember you when I met you there you said that the first time your father heard you curse yes sir well that's the first time that's what I was that's what I was it was that you're in person that moment i would i would lay in some words out on that moment but that way that's

that a stir for another day so after that it all happened so fast and after that then i just took up and started running not knowing where the guy was playing or anything like that i'm just i just took up started running and the ball was just bouncing took forever to get down the first phase and when it went between his legs i said they'll see him again. So Moogie hits the groundball towards Bill Buckner first place. I'm sitting. Yeah.

Oh. 20 feet from Bill Buckner. Yeah. And the whole place is thinking, Muky Wilson's, you know, not the whole place, half the place. It's like, moving around out. Yeah. And all I'm thinking, you know, I'm a player playing, you know, I'm going to be a divisional college player showing there out with her.

So I'm understanding the whole thing. And all I'm looking at is Mookie and Bill Buckner. Mookie and Bill Buckner. I look, the picture's not covering. I'm like, Bill Buckner's not being moved to the bag. Like, this is going to be amazing. And all of a sudden, I think Bill Buckner may look up to see where you are. Whatever ever happened.

And I spoke with Bill a couple of times. We talked about this. And he says he didn't take his eye off of it. He just was rushing because the picture was late. to a bring you. And the question people ask me all the time is, would I have to beat you to the bag? And Bill and I, we watched this video time and time again, and we're in agreement that even if he catches the ball, he's not going to beat me to the back. And not right. And I'm saying, well, I'm glad you missed it because if you catch it, the score is still time. You've got to remember that, but we've got a good hitter coming up.

Hold you're coming. And poor, listen, my heart breaks to Bill Buckner because people say something that's totally untrue is that he lost the world series of Red Sox. It wasn't him in Game 7

and the game was tied. There's no way. You got, I mean, it wasn't, not no way, but you guys had so much momentum. Yeah. Like, go into the, if you, if you beat up to the bag, or if you don't, right,

if he catches the blow, it makes me out. Like, you're in extra endings now, and you have all the momentum in the world, it's built. Buckner, I think that's one of the most raw deals in sports history. I think so, but that's baseball because it people say, why is that?

And I always give the analogy. You know, if you can't find your keys or whatever, you don't look five different places and there's always the last place you look. That's the last thing people remember. That's the last thing that ended that day. And that's all they remember. They don't forget about all that other stuff that happened before that. You know, you forget to look in your glove compartment.

you look in your little product, you look in your shoe bag, but it's always that laid spot. And people remember that, and as unfair as it is, and we all know I had the pleasure of playing with Bill for many, many, many years, playing against it. And I had the pleasure of being a friend of years for just as many years after. And that play could have happened to anybody. It could have happened to anybody.

It just happened in a time when both teams were, cursed for like people's sake. And the two cities that were involved, it was so much at stake. And the fact that, and I will say it, they had the game in their hands. They had the game. And they couldn't close it out. So, and I think that they have to blame somebody. Yeah.

And it's easy to blame that last person that had opportunity to put it into it. And here, and here's my tape as just on a self-mastery of mindset. level, right? Is yes, the Red Sox couldn't close it out. But in that game, Gary Carter, two strike hit. Kevin Mitchell, two strike hit. Brain night two strike kick. Wookiee Wilson, 10 pitch at battle. Put the ball in play. You're going to beat into the back. What in my heart, what that taught made is that there is never a time where something is over. Yeah. And every one of you did your job to make sure that our hearts and souls in New York was not crushed, devastating, destroyed. And it inspired me.

I would not be doing this podcast. I would not be in a place. I don't know if you guys know this. I'm just going to say it in my heart. I'm on the verge of becoming the first blind, self-funded, unicorn, company, founder, creator, ever. In the history of planet, it's never happened before, blind, self-funded, unicorn business builder, history of the planet, that would never have happened if it would.

wasn't for what you guys did. And I honestly believe this. Probably, you know, there's about 20 other things that had happened to in my life and other people in places. But the New York Mets, 1986, game six. And this is why guys, because you go, oh, well, this is going to be like the end of the podcast. You should ask them like one more thing. I will. One more question of each. I know one thing. But the answer is yes. Because this wasn't a podcast about Met History. This wasn't a podcast about every aspect of the amazing Dwight Good and then Mukielsen's lives. This was a podcast about the impossible to become impossible about miracles happening and what everybody

did along the way to make it happen. And whatever. And, you know, Dwight, you know, Mr. Dwight could. You know, you mentioned, hey, like, there's a part of you that felt like it wasn't going to work out. But you had teammates that picked you up and you picked those teammates up hundreds of other times when you were the dominant force doing everything because that team was never where it was without you.

And I'm not saying to be nice. It mustn't be kind, but that's the case. We all have moments where we have doubt, but then Mookie Wilson picks it up and Gary Carter, Ray Knight, and Kevin Mitchell, and that's what teams about. It's about picking each other from all the things you guys do. And then game seven comes in. You guys are down three nothing again. I have no doubt whatsoever.

Then Dallas Jervates all run, and Ray Knight has his whole water. Like, unbelievable. And what I want to know, two final final questions I'll make it a compact thing. First, Mr. Dwight Gooden. anything you want these fine folks to know you go on and win two more waltzers the yankees pitch and no hair with the yankees i tease and jockers you know like in the york like you're the method of the yankee fan but you you made me unable to hurt against the yankees because of my love and appreciation for you but anything you want these fine folks to know in you know final

finals i like to say and do i couldn't if you could be remembered for anything you want is the legacy of we want people to know about you right not not the worst, not the best, not the mean, just what you want to be remembered for by people. What would not be? And so do I could. Okay, the two part. Yeah. First of all, what I like to remember about is obviously off the show, I had been downfalls.

It was time that I didn't bleed myself. But I got to talk to pressing. It sounded a lot during 2018. Where fans, family are bleeding to myself more than me. I bleed to me more than myself. because of my fans, my family, the people that around me love me so much, he got me back on my team. So I like the room of, yes, I made a mess, but I try to take that mess now and make a message. That's what I try to do now. I can't change what happened. I can't share what

happened to try to help somebody else. They may be going to those struggles and a family member or someone might be going to the struggle. So one thing I knew of, yes, he fell, but he touched his wife around, tried the mess that he made until. a message that you're trying to help to let out. If I may offer something in my heart, I don't think you fail. You could call whatever you want. I don't think anything is ever permanent enough or final enough to be failure. And taking something that wasn't all you wanted to and turning to a message of inspiration

for people is so utterly powerful. And I mean this all my heart, there's ever anything I can do in service and support of what you do, even those kids in Tampa and that literally, I am here because of what you've done from my family and my life. And so even in moments that were imperfect, and who isn't imperfect? Who hasn't made mistakes? The best of the grace of God, go, I've made tons of mistakes,

and we all made mistakes. But when you're a superstar in front of the world, you make a mistake, it's going to get amplified, magnified, twisted and chart in a million different ways. You've always talked about, and we'll get props to George Steinbredder and how he related to and treated you. You know, in that spirit,

please relate to me in the same way that if there's never anything to do for you, Mr. Dwight good, because of what you've done from my father, being honest, 80th birthday, all of the memories of the league is a player and afterward, I couldn't thank you enough and thank you, Mr. Blake. Thank you, family.

Appreciate you. Thank you. And Mr. Mookie Wilson, same question. Will you want these five folks to know if you give you a matter of anything? What would you want to be around before? I think that the first thing is

I would like for people just to judge me based on the work I've done. let whatever I does speak for me. You know, I think that's the old gospel. So I, and it's something like that, you know,

and so I don't need to tell people this. I don't need people to, I don't care about people constantly telling me how great I've done, what I've done, just that, the other. People that have come in contact with me, I want them to understand that, who you see, that's who I am. And as far as the game, baseball has been very good to me and my family. And baseball has been a great lesson.

And I like people to, and I try to relate this to people because I do a lot of public speaking. I'm an ordain minister. And I do a lot of, I talk to people a lot. And I let them know that it's just like in baseball. We practice, you know, call it PFP, but plays and all kinds

defensive schemes and stuff like that. And all of this saying is that if you put your body in the best position to be efficient. And that's what life is you put yourself in a position that you can take advantage

of any opportunity that might arise. It's an opportunity not someone. No opportunity is always there. You're just not always in the position to take advantage of it. You know, so that's the messages I'd like to live with people. But as far as, how do you want to remember me? Hey, just let my work speak for it for me.

Don't let me, I can't tell you how great I am or how bad I am. You know, let you be your judge. Anybody ever wants to have a celebrity athlete speaker, people that are a part of the sports history. These guys are the people that have, they're sitting there eating birthday cake. My dad was a good cake too. It was a net.

They're just loving. They're present. It took a lot longer than we thought at one point. Some of the guy in hospital. And these guys could not have been more present, more loving, and better. And I can't thank you. Again, enough, Mr. Dwayke. Thank you.

And God bless the ability to you. Thanks. For everybody, seeing what you don't see is what this is all about. Seeing what you don't see. And these folks are part of a miracle. And miracles happened every day. But it didn't just happen only from the hand of God. It happened because they did their things.

They're not perfect. I'm not perfect. Nobody's perfect. But miracles happen when the heart, the mind, the mastery comes together. And that's what these people in the 1986, Mets. Let's go Mets. Here we go. Let's go.

Matt. Thank you. Bless you. Yes. Oh, you so. Thank you, buddy. All right. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.