Unchained - Are Memecoins the Next Evolution of Wall Street Bets? - Ep. 659

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

Nathaniel Popper just published his latest book, "The Trolls of Wall Street," covering the Wall Street Bets phenomenon. Funnily enough, his book comes at a time when there are striking similarities wi...th the current memecoin mania in crypto.  In this episode, Popper explores the rise of online investing communities like Wall Street Bets and their reflection of broader societal changes, particularly among young men.  He also touches on the parallels between the trolling culture of these communities and the rise of figures like Donald Trump, and delves into the hidden dangers and psychological influences of memes in modern investing. Show highlights: 01:21 The rise of online money communities and the shift towards investing based on ideas rather than traditional financial fundamentals 04:06 How the changing roles of young men in society have influenced the growth of crypto and online financial communities 13:36 How Robinhood's design choices changed retail investing, sparking FOMO and controversy by making trading as easy as a swipe 18:04 The hidden dangers of memes in modern investing, and how they balance fostering community with driving speculation 22:56 Why Trump's ties to the crypto community highlight the mix of serious intent and trolling 30:07 Crypto News Recap Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! iTrustCapital Polkadot Guest Nathaniel Popper, author of The Trolls of Wall Street Links Previous coverage of Unchained on memecoins: Unchained: Why Memecoins Have Been 2024's Most Profitable Crypto Trade: Ansem and Kelxyz - Ep. 641 BRETT Becomes First Memecoin on Base to Reach $1 Billion in Market Cap DWF Labs to Invest in Memecoins, Onchain Data Reveals LADYS Transactions Celebrity Tokens Continue to Bleed With Some Memecoin Traders Losing Six-Figures The book: Blockworks: What do memecoins and meme stocks have in common?: A review of ‘The Trolls of Wall Street’ Fortune: Q&A with the author of ‘The Trolls of Wall Street’: Gambling, conspiracies, and the return of Roaring Kitty,  Meme culture WSJ:  Meme Stocks Are Back, but Fund Investors Moved On Meet the ‘Degen’ Traders Fueling the Latest Meme-Stock Mania CoinDesk: In Defense of Meme Coins What else could memecoins be? By Vitalik Buterin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 you know, that guy behind Janet Yellen holding up that buy Bitcoin sign, right? Like he wrote it on a yellow, you know, on a legal pad. And it was like a joke. And yet, like, nothing got Bitcoin more attention than that. And there's something about that in the attention economy of the internet, where like the bigger the joke, the more attention, the more real it becomes. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Unchained, your no hype resource for all things crypto.
Starting point is 00:00:27 I'm your host, Laura Shin. author of The Cryptopians. I started covering crypto nine years ago, and as the senior editor of Forbes, was the first matrimed reporter to cover cryptocurrency full-time. This is the June 14th, 2024 episode of Unchained, and I will just leave you all a quick note, which is that today is the eight-year anniversary of Unchained. Thank you for listening all these years. With I Trust Capital, you can buy and sell crypto in a tax-advantage retirement account. Enjoy significant tax advantages, 24-7 access, and the industry's lowest fees. PocaDod is the original and leading layer zero blockchain with over 2000 plus developers and the PocaDot 2.0 upgrade will be a massive accelerator for the ecosystem.
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Starting point is 00:02:18 Thanks for having me. You have a new book out this week about Wall Street bets, which is amazing timing considering that Roaring Kitty has recently returned to social media. And we're also seeing meme coin mania on Solana in full swing. And I know that this Wall Street Betts phenomenon was kind of mostly in the public consciousness a few years ago. But from your book, it's very clear that the same forces that created it are still with us today. Even are everywhere, right?
Starting point is 00:02:50 So talk a little bit about what you saw as driving that phenomenon and, you know, how that remains in our culture? Well, you know, I come out of the same world as you, which is reporting on crypto. My last book was Digital Gold about the story of Bitcoin. And in this book, I kind of wanted to take a few steps back and look at this sort of whole phenomenon of online money, like this new world of online money that includes crypto, but that also now includes stock market, options market, Obviously, crypto market has proliferated in all sorts of different directions. And I'm interested in the sort of sociological aspect of this, this world of largely young men and who have gotten into investing and trading of all sorts and sort of trying to understand
Starting point is 00:03:47 where that comes from. And, you know, my work on crypto ended up being very useful for this because I think that this idea of memes and communities that come together around memes. And memes in some ways, like too narrow way to think about it. Like, there's just this idea of investments that are more about ideas and sort of speculative potential than about financial fundamentals. like that runs through this whole community. And it runs through the way young people invest in stocks and the way they invest in crypto. And, you know, I just was really interested in how this world sort of fed off of itself in the way that crypto fed into the stock market, which fed into crypto, which fed into
Starting point is 00:04:40 option market. And I think people have looked at it too narrowly in terms of, you know, mean stocks as one phenomenon and, you know, Bitcoin is another phenomenon and meme coins are another phenomenon. And what I view it as is really just this whole new world of online money that people are sort of moving between and that's creating this new communities online. I have to say one of the things that surprised me at the very beginning of the book was that even in the preface, you put this activity in the context of the changing position of men in American society. And, you not going to lie, like in the beginning, I was a little bit surprised and wondering how you were drawing
Starting point is 00:05:22 this conclusion. But then, you know, as you're going like deeper into the action and hearing from the moderators who started this group, the, you know, the young men who are frequenting Wall Street bets, hearing how they're talking about their lives, what they're saying to each other about their political beliefs and just, you know, how they view the world. It actually made me realize, So, okay, these conclusions are being drawn from what they're saying. But can you talk a little bit about your thesis there? And yeah, and if you also think that these same demographic changes influence the rise of crypto? I'm glad you asked me about that.
Starting point is 00:06:03 I think it's something that people haven't taken much notice of. But young men in America are in a broad sense struggling. And, you know, there are a bunch of problems that go way beyond young men. Obviously, we have this sort of loneliness epidemic. We have people who are spending more and more of their lives online and less and less of their lives with real people. And what I saw in particular was young men who were both very skeptical of the sort of established authorities and the traditional sources of truth.
Starting point is 00:06:43 obviously that's there in crypto. You have these sort of people who feel alienated from mainstream culture, the mainstream financial world. And they also are sort of looking for a sense of purpose and identity. And certainly in writing about Bitcoin, I saw how many of the people who were there at the beginnings of Bitcoin and who made it grow, were young men who sort of felt like they were not of the broader world. And they were looking for something that would give them a sense of meaning and power and influence.
Starting point is 00:07:28 And I mean, I think that's a totally healthy urge. But I do think that they often found that answer. I mean, I think we saw it first with crypto. you know, you've heard it so many times referred that Bitcoin and crypto are referred to as a sort of in this quasi-religious sense. Like it has given a sense of identity and meaning to people. And, you know, so many of the people who found their way to these online communities found their way to these online communities because they were missing something in their real life and they were looking for something to sort of plug a hole. And, you know, the other element of this is that,
Starting point is 00:08:09 this is a world that is generally you don't find very many women. And you know, you don't, you don't have the gender dynamics that can cause problems in the real world, can cause a sense of alienation. I mean, I don't want to like overdraw over, you know, state the conclusion here and the idea here. But this community that was a very masculine community that were sort of traditional masculine ideas were allowed to sort of flourish. They were, they, you know, it was an aggressive community. A lot of the sort of ideas, traditional ideas of masculinity, you that were sort of being tamped down on the outside world were given free form in different financial online
Starting point is 00:08:54 communities, different subredits. I think that it obviously doesn't explain everything about the way that crypto developed or the way that meme stocks developed. But there's this way in which it sort of feels. a sort of more fundamental instinct or impulse in the young men who have sort of given their lives over to this. Yeah, I definitely, you know, like I said, I started off a little bit wondering how you came to that. Well, tell me, tell me what you were skeptical of. I'm curious to hear and where it sort of started to click together for you. I'd be curious to hear that.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Well, so. Yeah, I don't know if I was like, skeptical might be a strong word, but I just, so from the title, I just thought, oh, it's going to be a recounting of, you know, what happened with Wall Street vets and stuff. And then in the preface, since all of a sudden, you're like talking about all these demographic changes about the American man in society, I was like, wait, what? Like, I was confused as to how this was connected. And yeah, but then later, when they're in the forums just talking to each other about their lives and even stuff because, you know, and we should talk about this. As you mentioned, then during the 2016 campaign, you know, a number of them talk about how they had grown up liberal, whatever, but then, you know, they.
Starting point is 00:10:21 One over my Trump. Exactly. Yeah. And there were, there were just a lot of things like, like you had, I don't remember specific moments, but I do remember them just talking to each other about their views or maybe it was even you just describing them. You must have interviewed them to get that. But then I realized like, oh, you know, and then you contrast it with like, you know, there's the alcoholic guy who he he leads a very sad life. And other ones, you know, like working at the grocery store, you know, night shift. I mean, it like it just really like the personal details of their lives kind of made me realize like, oh, okay, that's that's why he was saying those things.
Starting point is 00:10:59 And I wasn't expecting this like zoomed out view. but when you, but then when you get into the story of it and you see the details, then it all made sense to me. Yeah. I mean, look, it's been this, I think there's this discovery in, in politics and culture over the last few years that, you know, that young men, like, you know, this book by Richard Reeves, that boys and men has put the case sort of most cogently. But, you know, young men have fallen behind their peers, you know, their female peers.
Starting point is 00:11:32 you know, their female peers in terms of education, in terms of earnings, in terms of, and, you know, we obviously always think of men as occupying the top of the pecking order. And, you know, in certain, in many circumstances of, you know, many halls of power, that's still the case. But when you look at younger generations, that's really shifting. And it was impossible not to connect that to the fact that young men, like this sort of world of investing has just become, like, it's hard to meet a teenager or 20-something young man and find that they are not into, you know, crypto or investing in some form. I mean, it's just become so widespread. And I mean, it's, you know, the links between those two things, the links between these bigger cultural
Starting point is 00:12:20 changes and the financial universe that's grown up are, you know, it's very complicated and I don't want to like make it as though that's the only explanation. But I think that it's hard not to connect them, particularly when you start to dig into the stories of people who have gotten into this. And so often, you know, the reason they seek out this world online, you know, the two moderators, the two main characters in my book are, as you mentioned, like this guy who's an alcoholic and he's just looking for a world to replace the world that, you know, alcohol killed for him. And, you know, you just came across that so many, I came across that so many times as I told this, as I dug into this story.
Starting point is 00:13:03 Yeah, yeah, I don't think you oversell it. I think it's just, like I said, I was surprised to see it, but, you know, obviously there's well more that we could discuss about what gave rise to this, but I do think it was like part of the stew. So in a moment, we are going to talk about those other factors, but first a quick word from the sponsors who make the show possible. Did you know you can buy and sell crypto with tax benefits in an individual retirement account or IRA, I trust capital makes this possible. But what does this mean? When you buy crypto outside
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Starting point is 00:14:54 And I was wondering if you could just describe that. and also maybe even talk about how you think this could affect crypto or has affected crypto or just combines with the fact that crypto is now also a popular thing to trade on Robin Hood. Yeah. Well, you know, Robin Hood came about in late 2014. That's when they first released their app. And I couldn't help notice that was sort of a few months, maybe, you know, less than a year after the 2013, 2014 boom in Bitcoin, where Bitcoin went over a thousand, for the first time. And one of the things I noticed, you know, the people who came onto Wall Street bets
Starting point is 00:15:34 talking about Robin Hood, so many of them, at the time, Robin Hood did not offer crypto, but so many of the young guys who came on to Wall Street bets talking about their interest in Robin Hood talked about how, you know, they had either made a bunch of money and lost it on crypto or saw friends get rich in 2013 on crypto. and they didn't want to miss out on the next big thing. So this was very much this like almost historic level phomo where, you know, people had seen for the first time really since the financial crisis, they had seen ordinary people online getting rich from that, you know, exploded, that boom in Bitcoin in 2013.
Starting point is 00:16:17 And, you know, they found Robin Hood. And at the time, you know, Robin Hood was this very. simple app. It was initially it was just on the iPhone. And, you know, it was basically like, they had stripped out all of the charts and data and analysis that normal brokerages offered you when you wanted to buy a stock. And, you know, Robin Hood basically stripped it down to, like, a chart of the price and a big green button that said buy. And, you know, the designers of the app explicitly said they wanted this, they wanted this to be like Tinder or, Uber where you just swipe your finger and you've bought a stock. And that is very different than
Starting point is 00:17:00 the way that brokerages have worked previously. I'm sure anybody who's places to trade recently even now on Charles Schwab or Fidelity, you know, there's seven different steps you have to go through and there's warnings and there's small type. And it does make the markets feel sort of forbidding. It makes the market seem scary. All of those features that Schwab and Fidelity have. There's a good reason for them. They're often, you know, a response to regulation that's trying to make the market safer for retail investors, but it makes it feel like something that you can't understand. And Robin Hood understood that, and they sort of stripped it down to this basic thing, which is, you know, buy sell. And then when you buy, you know, you get the sort of confetti and the
Starting point is 00:17:46 ding that gives you that little extra dopamine rush of, you know, I've done something. And, you know, people often when they talk about Robin Hood, they talk about the fact that Robin Hood eliminated trading fees. But I think, you know, the trading fees were probably secondary. I mean, certainly these design choices that Robin Hood made were just as important to make it, make investing and make trading seem approachable. And, you know, pretty quickly there was obviously this critique of Robin Hood, which is that it made it too easy. You know, there's a reason you're supposed to look through all the numbers and the data and the chart before you buy a stock. You know, when you invest, it's supposed to be a sort of rational decision where you're thinking about the company's financials and what's going to, what might make the price go up, what might increase, you know, cash flow. And Robin Hood sort of moved all of that out of the picture. And, you know, I think that is a very sort of almost like philosophical change for the way that trading and,
Starting point is 00:18:49 investing worked. And, you know, it brought in this whole new generation that between 2015 and COVID sort of grew, grew, grew, and, you know, eventually became, you know, it felt like the whole market in some ways. So another topic that I want to ask you about in your book has to do with memes generally and how that relates to investments. And in crypto, we are in a cycle where mean coins have been some of the best performers. And, you know, I'm sure you've heard all this before because you've written your book, but there are critics who derive meme coins as being frivolous or scammy, pump and dumpy. And with your research into how Wall Street bets took off and the meme stocks that they were investing in, what do you think is the value of memes or what is it that you think retail investors get right about meme stocks or meme coins that people who think of themselves as being more serious investors don't necessarily understand?
Starting point is 00:19:46 That is a really complicated and interesting question. I think that there's a whole lot of danger and loss and sadness wrapped up in sort of meme-fueled investment trends. If you take stocks and crypto, every crypto coin and almost every stock, like there's some level of meme in there. There's some level of an idea about what this company is that is. separate from the sort of underlying technology or the underlying financial story of the company. So to some degree, I think memes, like we didn't call it memes, but memes have always been there investing. It's about these ideas of what a company will be. And it's also an idea of like what you're, the community you're joining when you invest in something. You know, investing is such
Starting point is 00:20:40 a psychological decision where you're sort of talking, you're making a decision about what matters to you and who you are. And that was always there in investing. And so I think that the introduction of like memes, you know, starting, I think it really started in the crypto world. You know, I think the most enduring investing memes started on, you know, our backslash Bitcoin where, you know, talking about to the moon and Lambo's and like all of this was, you know, extracting from this like interesting technological innovation that Bitcoin represented
Starting point is 00:21:19 and sort of creating an idea in a community. And that has just sort of come to occupy a bigger and bigger place over time. And I think, you know, what memes have done is they focused on the fact that like language is the way we come together online and, you know, social media is filled with communities that are valuable. You know, there are hundreds of thousands of people on subredits. And, you know, for a long time and for most subredits, there's no way to monetize that. But it is very valuable, you know.
Starting point is 00:21:56 And somebody's going to monetize it. Oftentimes it's going to be the advertiser, you know, it's going to be Reddit who puts the ad on there and makes money from the sort of culture and language of the suburb. credit, but, you know, memes have obviously sort of monetized community and monetize these ideas of identity. And I think that's, there's like an interesting discovery in there. And there's, there's something, you know, points to something more enduring about investing that's always been their investing. You know, you, you were investing in Coke or GM, not because you understood
Starting point is 00:22:31 every, you know, every inch of their balance sheet, but because you sort of thought that they stood for something and that that would be valuable in the future. And so memes have kind of, you know, extracted that idea and, you know, turned it into a more pure essence. But, you know, I think the issue of that, the issue there is that, like, the more meme you have and the less of the basic fundamental, you know, financial substance, you know, the less of a real foundation in the real world, you know, it just becomes pure. speculative. And that's very dangerous. And it's also very dangerous when there are so many communities that are sort of built upon promoting the people who make the most and the people who are stand the most to gain from a meme coin. Like that is what you see with even Alan Musk, what he's done with Dogecoin, even what he's done with Bitcoin and what he's done with his own stock. You know,
Starting point is 00:23:34 there's a way in which social media is sort of the incentives in social media are built to elevate the people who are making money and allowing you to ignore all the people who are losing money. And that comes with some real dangers. And, you know, I think we often don't pay enough attention to the people who end up losing in these scenarios. Yeah. Yeah. There were definitely a few stories like that in your book. So another question I just had to ask you because obviously I mean, you're a very lucky book author because a lot of the things that you're talking about in this book sort of have come around full circle and are in the news again. So we're going to talk about Trump.
Starting point is 00:24:15 Trump has embraced Bitcoin and crypto generally during this campaign. This is a reversal from when he was president where he obviously was anti. And even after his first presidency ended, he called Bitcoin a scam against the dollar, which is kind of hilarious. But now we're seeing that parts of the crypto community have embraced Trump. since he's begun cultivating the crypto vote. And I wondered if you could just draw some parallels between, you know, what you saw with the Wall Street bets crowd turning to Trump and, you know,
Starting point is 00:24:47 whatever you're noticing with the crypto communities turned toward Trump today. I mean, to me, so much of this new world of online investing is essentially about trolling. And, you know, that's why the troll is right there in the title. And I don't mean that in a totally like derogatory sense. Like this is people who sort of think of themselves fundamentally as trolls. And by troll, I think, you know, it's worth stopping for a second and thinking about what trolling is. It's this universe where sort of everything looks like a joke. You know, I mean, when Trump's campaign candidacy, when he announced it, looked like a joke.
Starting point is 00:25:30 And that's how most people treated it. And yet underneath that joke, there was this like real, he was tapping into something very deep in a lot of American voters. And, you know, he was willing to say things that nobody else would say. And people wanted to hear that. And so this, this juxtaposition of like being both a serious and a joke at the same time feels like it was there in Bitcoin from the beginning. It was there in Trump from the beginning.
Starting point is 00:26:00 It was there in GameStop. And it's very easy for people to get. get lost in the sort of superficial comedy of it and miss the thing that's speaking to people underneath that. And I think that's been true with Bitcoin. That's been true with Trump. That's been true with GameStop. All of these are things that people write off and say, there's no way.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Even once they're successful, you know, Bitcoin was successful in 2013, 2014, went to $1,000. And then as soon as that went down, people said, okay, we never have to pay attention to that again. same thing when you know after january six with trump in uh 2021 everybody said okay well we don't have to worry about him as a politician anymore and the same thing happened with game stop you know at game stop happened actually like two three weeks after january 6 the you know the riots whatever you want to call them in congress you know everybody said okay game stop this is just like a meme this is stupid it's not you know now that the crowd has like gotten you know had its feeding frenzy we can go we can
Starting point is 00:27:00 ignore it again, but here we are three years later and, you know, roaring kitty's back and all of these things come around because there's something deeper underneath them that is speaking to people. And, you know, that is, that is like the essence of the troll. And I think, you know, Trump, I don't know if he would acknowledge himself that he is a troll, but, you know, everybody on Wall Street bets, when they saw Trump, they were like, this guy is one of us. He, like, gets it. He, like, understands what it's like to sort of be, you know, smiling while you like take a baseball bat at, you know, the knees of your opponent where they're not looking. And I mean, maybe that's, that's too negative way to put it. But it's just
Starting point is 00:27:40 like that, that, that way and that like deceptive, like, it's not two-faced. It's not necessarily purposely deceptive. But there's just like, you know, this thing going on there that has, has steeped out into our culture in this very deep way. Yeah. Yeah. I really feel like your book is I know it's a retrospective on events that happened, but listening to it now, I feel like it's very prescient for what's happening right now. I think of even like, you know, that guy behind Janet Yellen holding up that buy Bitcoin sign, right? Like he wrote it on a yellow, you know, on a legal pad.
Starting point is 00:28:18 And it was like a joke. And yet, like, nothing got Bitcoin more attention than that. And there's something about that in the attention economy of the internet where like the bigger the joke, the more attention, the more real it becomes. Yes. which is why we're seeing the value of these meme coins go up. And I do think, yeah, it is related even to just how the internet works where people make money off of advertising and that relies on attention. Yeah. So somebody was making that money before. It's just, I mean, the issue there is that with advertising, there wasn't necessarily somebody who was losing money.
Starting point is 00:28:50 And with meme coins, you know, with Doge coin there, I think there are a lot more losers who we don't necessarily get to see. Yes. Yeah, for sure. I myself have talked to people who said, oh, I bought Dogecoin at the top. Alon, Alon was there shilling it on Saturday Night Live until suddenly in the middle of Saturday Night Live, he realized. He acknowledged the whole thing was just a, I think the word was scam or, I mean, you know, he, the, the, the troll is always sort of willing to acknowledge that they're not being serious eventually. Yeah, yeah. But at least, I'm sure in his case, you know, he probably made a decent amount of money from that. I don't know. Anyway, I don't want to speculate on his finances. There's plenty of information out there
Starting point is 00:29:35 about that. But Nathaniel, this was a great conversation. And like I said, I feel like the timing is very good for your book because there are so many factors that are causing all these events to be back in the news. You know, this particular history of the Internet is like very circular and cyclical. And, you know, Obviously, Bitcoin is one of the most classic cases of that where you just see that cycle continuing again and again. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we are again in a bull cycle.
Starting point is 00:30:06 So we'll see how all these events play out this year. Thank you so much for coming on Unchained. Thank you for having me, Laura. Don't forget. Next up is a weekly news recap today presented by Wondercraft AI. Stick around for this week in crypto after this short break. Did you know Unchained is much more than a podcast? Last year, we unveiled a completely redesigned website, enriching your experience.
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Starting point is 00:31:49 Conditions apply. Welcome to this week's crypto roundup. In today's recap, we cover Terraform Labs 4.4. $47 billion SEC settlement. The approval process for Ethereum ETFs, Paxos' workforce reduction, pleaser Dow's lawsuit against Martin Schrely, Zika Sink's massiveirdrop, optimism's implementation of fault proofs, Solana Foundation's actions against MEV, ULens $19 million hack, micro-stratage's $500 million debt sale, curve finance founders liquidation, Trump's pledge to be a crypto president,
Starting point is 00:32:24 friend tech's migration to its own blockchain, and Paradigm's new $850 million investment fund. Thanks for tuning into the weekly news recap. Let's begin. Terraform Labs settles SEC fraud case for $4.47 billion. Terraform Labs, the entity behind the collapsed Terra Luna ecosystem, will pay $4.47 billion to settle a lawsuit with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission following the 2022 collapse of Terra Luna. which resulted in a $40 billion loss for investors. This settlement follows an April trial where Terraform and founder Doe Kwan were found liable for fraud. The settlement includes $3.59 billion plus interest in disgorgement and a $420 million penalty for Terraform.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Kwan will pay $204.3 million covering disgorgement, interest, and penalties, and must transfer these funds to Terraform's bankruptcy estate for investor distribution. He is also barred from serving as an officer or director of any public company. The SEC initially sought a $5.3 billion fine. The settlement mandates that Terraform wind down its business and implement a Chapter 11 liquidation plan, replacing its directors and appointing a trustee. The entry of this judgment would ensure the maximal return of funds to harmed investors,
Starting point is 00:33:48 the SEC stated. Chair Gensler says Ether ETFs to be fully approved by Summer. On Thursday, SEC Chair Gary Gensler informed senators that the final approval for Ethereum Spot ETFs should be completed by summer's end. During a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, Gensler mentioned that while initial approvals are in place, the final registration details are being finalized at the staff level. Gensler reiterated his stance on the crypto industry's noncompliance and declined to classify ETH as a commodity. Meanwhile, CFTC Chair Rosten Bainum affirmed that ETH is a commodity, highlighting ongoing regulatory ambiguities between the SEC
Starting point is 00:34:29 and CFTC regarding digital assets. Paxos cuts workforce despite strong financial position. Stablecoin issuer Paxos has laid off approximately 20% of its workforce, totaling 65 employees, despite having over $500 million on its balance sheet. CEO Charles Chad Kaskarilla stated that this decision aims to better position the company for future opportunities in tokenization and stable coins. Paxos confirmed the email's contents, noting affected employees will receive 13 weeks of severance pay and other support. The layoffs bring Paxos's headcount to between 200, 300 employees. Paxos was valued at $2.4 billion after a $300 million Series D funding round in 2021. Pleaser Dow sues Martin Schrely over Wutan
Starting point is 00:35:20 Klan album. Pleaseer Dao has sued. Martin Scrailey, claiming he illegally shared a one-of-a-kind Wu-Tang Clan album after forfeiting his rights to it. Schreli originally bought once upon a time in Shaolin for $2 million in 2015, but lost it during a $7.4 million asset forfeiture following his 2017 securities fraud conviction. Pleaser Dow purchased exclusive rights to the album in 2021 for $4 million and paid an additional $750,000 in 2024. Despite this, Schrelili has allegedly continued to distribute the album, including hosting a live stream on X spaces. Pleaserdao's lawsuit accuses Shreli of causing significant monetary and irreparable harm.
Starting point is 00:36:05 A court has granted Pleaserdow a temporary restraining order, barring Shreli from streaming or distributing the album. Schreli doesn't seem very preoccupied about the lawsuit. He posted on X, these super nerds are suing me, the least cryptoethos, whitest, least culturally relevant dorks. Later, he added, The guy running Plezer Dow is a megalomaniacal name, dropping lawyer who thinks he's important.
Starting point is 00:36:29 He bosses waiters around, looks down on others. He's not a man of the people by any means. ZKSink unveils massive air drop. ZK sink has announced an airdrop of 3.6 billion ZK tokens, distributing 17.5% of its total token supply to 695,232 wallets. The majority, 89%, will go to users of ZK Sync, a layer 2 roll-up on Ethereum, while the remaining 11% will be allocated to contributors.
Starting point is 00:37:01 The airdrop is set to launch on Monday with tokens immediately liquid and is currently valued at approximately $1.4 billion, making it one of the largest air drops ever. Crypto projects typically allocate approximately 10% of their token supply to their users. However, despite ZKSink's comparatively generous distribution, it has sparked controversy. Critics argue that the airdrops criteria facilitated civil attacks, in which users manipulate eligibility with multiple wallets. Adam Cochran from Synthetics wrote on X that this was not a well-planned air drop
Starting point is 00:37:35 from a Sible perspective, and added that real users could easily miss the criteria while farmers hit them effortlessly. Optimism finally implements fault-proofs. Optimism, one of Ethereum's top layer two blockchains, has introduced its long-awaited fault-proofs to enhance security and reliability. This update addresses a key missing feature, allowing the network to prevent inaccurate transaction data and enabling a decentralized withdrawal mechanism. Arbitrum, a main competitor to optimism, is also progressing toward full decentralization
Starting point is 00:38:10 with its bold proposal, which aims to enhance security and allow permissionless validation. Arbitrum already has fault proofs in place, but they were not. not permissionless. With this move, Bold would put arbitram in the same stage of decentralization as optimism. Salana Foundation removes validators amid controversy over MEV. The Salana Foundation has taken action against validators engaging in sandwich attacks by removing them from its delegation program, which subsidizes these operators. A sandwich attack is an MEV tactic, where a transaction is manipulated for profit. This decision aims to protect retail users for, from such abuses. The Gito Foundation is considering a similar approach. Gito is a Salana-based
Starting point is 00:38:55 liquid staking protocol and has the highest TVL in the network. A proposal by Gito Foundation contributor Andrew Thurman suggests empowering a group to blacklist validators participating in harmful activities like private mempools. Approximately 10% of validators in the Gito stake pool have been identified as engaging in these activities. While Solana's efforts to combat MEV are seen as protective, critics argue it centralizes power by picking winners and losers among validators. Some community members fear this will undermine the decentralization Salana strives for. Conversely, supporters believe these measures promote network integrity and validator accountability. Ubu Lendhack leads to 19 million loss.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Decentralized finance protocol UWU Lend, founded by Michael Patrin, also known as Zero X-Cifu, suffered a $19 million exploit due to a flash loan attack. Patron, co-founder of the failed crypto exchange Quadrigas Yix, and former treasurer of Wonderland Dao under the alias Sifu, was ousted after being doxed by blockchain investigator Zach XBT in January 2022. Soon after, he allegedly transferred funds to tornado cash, which he claimed were his own, but some speculated belonged to the community. The attack involved manipulating the price of the stable coin USD through an improperly designed Oracle causing significant losses. Blockchain security firms, Cyvers, and Arkham highlighted the scale of the hack,
Starting point is 00:40:25 initially estimating losses around $14 million, and later updated to $19.3 million. In response, Patron has offered a 20% bounty to the hacker for returning 80% of the stolen funds. On Thursday morning, the platform suffered a second hack, losing 3.7.7.2.000. million dollars via flash loans, despite claiming the vulnerability was fixed after the exploit on Monday. Micro Strategy proposes $500 million debt sale to increase Bitcoin holdings. On Thursday, Micro Strategy announced plans to offer $500 million in convertible senior notes to acquire more Bitcoin and fund other corporate activities.
Starting point is 00:41:06 Micro Strategy began accumulating Bitcoin in 2020, adopting it as a reserve asset, and already holds 214,400 BTC, valued at over $14 billion. The notes, due in 2032, will be unsecured and pay interest semi-annually, starting December 15, 2024. The offering, aimed at qualified institutional buyers, is subject to market conditions with no guaranteed terms. Curve Finance founder liquidated amid CRV price drop. Michael Egorov, founder of Curve Finance, faced significant liquidation. as the CRV token price plummeted by 25% in 24 hours. Egorov's on-chain loan positions, totaling $140 million in CRV, were collateralized across
Starting point is 00:41:53 multiple DFI platform, including inverse, UU, Lend, and Flaxland. The steep decline in CRV value triggered liquidations, with Egorov's positions on UULend, seeing additional liquidations worth over $5 million. Ergorov posted on X, the size of my positions, was too large for markets to handle and cause $10 million of bad debt. Only CRV market on curve, where the position was the biggest, was affected. I've already repaid 93%, and I intend to repay the rest very shortly. It will help users not to suffer from this situation.
Starting point is 00:42:29 Trump pledges to be crypto president at fundraiser. At a San Francisco fundraiser, Donald Trump declared his intention to be a crypto president while criticizing democratic regulations on the industry. The event, hosted by venture capitalists David Sacks and Chalmouth Palihapitia, raised $12 million for his campaign. Tech executive Trevor Trana confirmed Trump's promise to champion cryptocurrency, though no specific policies were detailed. The fundraiser saw attendance from notable crypto figures,
Starting point is 00:43:00 including Coinbase executives and the Winklevoss twins. Meanwhile, following Trump's lead, President Joe Biden's re-election campaign is reportedly discussing accepting crypto donations via Coinbase Commerce. FriendTech to migrate from base to FriendChane. FriendTech, a decentralized social media platform, announced its plan to migrate from Coinbase's layer two network base to its own blockchain, named Friend Chain. Partnering with crypto infrastructure platform conduit, Friend Tech will use its native friend token as the gas token on the new network. The announcement caused a significant but short-lived spike in Friends Price, which rose by over 60% before falling back to around 70 cents. Some users questioned the necessity and benefits of this move, with concerns about potentially higher gas costs.
Starting point is 00:43:50 Jesse Pollack, creator of base, expressed his support for the transition despite feeling disappointed. Paradigm raises $850 million for new crypto investment fund. Paradigm, a Web3 venture capital firm, has raised $850 million for its third investment fund focused on crypto. This follows their April discussions with investors about raising the same amount. Established in 2018, Paradigm previously launched a $2.5 billion venture fund in 2021. The firm has recently led significant fundraising rounds for crypto startups, including $55 million for succinct labs and $18 million for Privy. And that's all. Thanks so much for joining us today. If you enjoyed this recap, go to
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