Unchained - El Auge de MakerDAO: Un Viaje Personal - Ep.171
Episode Date: May 6, 2020Hi everyone, this is an essay by Mariano Conti of MakerDAO that was so popular, personal and relatable, especially to those living in Latin America, that we decided to have Mariano translate it and re...ad it in Spanish. Share it with your Spanish-speaking friends who still don’t understand what crypto is about, to show how it solved real-world problems for at least one person. Mariano Conti, jefe de contratos inteligentes de MakerDAO, nos lee su ensayo sobre su experiencia personal con criptomonedas, desde el punto de vista de un Argentino cuya familia ha experimentado períodos de hiperinflación, y de un freelancer que recibe pagos por su trabajo desde varios países. Mariano describe la evolución de Maker desde Dai de Colateral Único (ahora Sai) hasta Dai Multi Colateral, y también brinda su perspectiva de los eventos del Jueves Negro y las subastas de deuda subsecuentes que el protocolo debió llevar a cabo para regularizar su situación. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Hi everyone. This is an essay by Mariona Conci of MakerDAo that was so popular, personal, and relatable, especially to those living in Latin America, that we decided to have Mariano translate it and read it in Spanish. Share it with your Spanish-speaking friends who still don't understand what crypto is about to show how it solves real-world problems for at least one person.
Hello to all right. My name is Laura Shin and I'm periodista that Kubriroprimeneiras.
Also, I'm the amphitriona of this podcast, Unchained.
This is an ensign of Mario Conti of MakerDAO
that was so popular, personal, and facile to
relational, especially for those that live in America Latina,
that we decided that Mariano
he would read it in Spanish.
Compartalow with friends that still
not understand of what it's trat to the cryptocurrencies
to show how resolved problems of the world real for at least one person.
It's an example and I hope to hear your comments.
And now, here is Mariana Conti, laying his ensigno,
The Auge of Maker-Dao, a voyage personal.
The Auge of Maker-Dao, a voyage personal.
The Enshadow.
My ex-uels were without having access to his arras of all.
the life. In 2001, Argentina
traversed one of the
worst crises economic of its history.
The pesoysal-Argentino,
artificially, vinculated one-a-one
to dollar American,
no could resistor. The exportations
were made to be competitive,
no existia a policy
monetary and independent,
the people changed their
pays their pesos for dollars,
extradying of the banks, and a
menudo transfiring to the
or guardando
below the colchon.
There was a
time of a
corridor
a corridor.
Then,
the 1st of
December of
2001, the
government
the government
was the
money of the
money of the
person, and
instituted the
corralito,
a congelament
in the
countries of
the people
that was
that were
just a
little
a particular
a particular
a particular
not a
not it
not were
in retire
in dollars
to not that accept to convert those dollars to pesos,
the targetas of credit and debit continue
functioning, but the scarcity of effective
caused many problems in the economy.
From the 21 of December of 2001
until the 1st of January of 2002,
there were five presidents in the country.
Five presidents in 11 days.
The situation empeorrable.
The congelament of the banks continued,
but now the major part of the deposits
were changed by bonuses,
denomined those accounts
in dollars,
all the accounts denomined as dollars
also were converted to pesos,
or pacificated.
Inmediately,
despite, devalued the peso.
At the commencing,
back to one to one-four pesos
per dollar,
and then,
while,
to let them floater liberally,
he'll cancel the four pesos
per dollar in a few months.
around
December of 2002.
It's
you can be
to do you
do you're
not your
chaves,
not are your
monies,
your
money in the
bank or in
the money
or in the
money,
I would
be recited
this mantra
to my
abelos.
For
the
this not was
the first
that
something
that was
that I'm
long
of the
years
Argentina
has suffered
various
devaluations
of the
mona,
period of
hyperinflation
corridos bankers,
controls of capital,
and congelament of
active,
among other
things.
It's one of the
reasons for the
people buy
dollars and
they have gone
under the colchon,
for the
abuelos
they give to
their nietos
in their
year and for
those that in
Argentina,
the population
in general
not confia in
the government
or in the
bankos.
This also
is the
reason for
that I think
that I think
the
Argentinians,
a
sometimes are
more
disposed to
get to
risk of
other
areas,
and they're
more
experts
in finances
than other
places
in other
places.
Here, the
majority
of the
people
work
to do
not learn
to
get to
get
to
get to
money,
if one
gets to
a
year
after,
you know,
has
a
got a
money
a
money
to
get
the
reason
for
that
we
we investigate every alternative
available,
always in
a business,
something that
many times
has been
never been
never been
the response
in the
crypto-monedas.
My
my voyage.
My voyage
with the
crypto-monet
was in
2014,
for necessity
to have control
of my
money.
But let me
give me
another
path to
after.
After
a long
period of
living in
the
city of
Mexico,
me
moved to
I
knew there
in the
86
to
six
years,
I'm
to go
to
the
city
where
I'm
a
final
of
2010
never
I
never
was
I'm
that
never
ever
had
ever
ever
to
that
I
did
come
to
think
that
I
think
that it
was
so
in
April
of
2011
and
having
term
the
relationship
with
my
my novi,
I,
I gave or
regal the
majority of
my
pertenances,
and I
went to
New Yorker
with two
ballies,
one with
a
other with
a
computer.
I could
have
had
been
a moment
better
to
make
you
know,
but
your
so
their
economy
in the
economy,
in the
major part
of
the
most
I've
only through stories, anecdotes of parietes or the news.
Just six months after my country of origin, the government instituted new controls of capital.
A the people common was prohibit to buy dollars in banks or casas of interchamble of divisas.
Summated to this, an economy that vizabeth to be in a manner regular,
an inflation of double-digit and the apetito Argentino for the dollars,
was a recipe for the disaster and the markets
Negroes.
The dollars were used
with a prima of the 50% of the value official,
and this has continued for years.
Then, in 2014,
when I saw working in a small agency digital in Buenos Aires,
negotiated a salary regular in pesos
and another below the mess in dollars.
This was a practice common
between professionals of the sector IT and technology.
The problem was receiving the pay in dollars.
My employer no could deposit dollars in my
account of bank, denomined in dollars in Argentina,
because they were converted to pesos instantaneously
to a tax 50% inferior to what I could
vendar those in the market black.
We're called market as well or dollar-asul.
No, question for what.
In that moment, the tariff official of the government
was around $8.00. In the market
a blue, a dollar, me comprava $14.
A deposit in my account bankaria local
not was the ideal.
Volar to Miami, I'd bring a bank
and was out of discussion.
PayPal, had time that was
prohibited. My employer
me debed more than six months of
salary. Until
a day, mention it Bitcoin.
The era Bitcoin.
Bitcoin
was a Frencher was known in Argentina, but not was my.
The freelancers Argentinians had been using Bitcoin
as a medium of pay of companies European and
Americanes for a long time,
a menudo negotiating salaries that were denomined in dollars
and with the liberty to receive their salary
in something that the government no could be able toer.
No put it was a potential
until that personally me in the necessity
to find a way to have my money in something more
than the weight.
Then, I investigated a
little,
I discovered that
was absolutely
the same
money, and I proceeded to
cover six months of
the time that
took the transference of
Bitcoin, to
something more
later,
I'd discoverer that
me convert
in part of
a group more
great,
tantos in
Argentina
had already
had come
to use Bitcoin,
many because
they'd
their potential,
but many
also too
also, too
also, too,
for necessity.
Was this other way that
that conduce to dollar
and maintains a rasha
the inflation?
If it's
so,
we'd give us the
good-
was a way
to vencered
a system,
a way
to maintain
possession
of the
job of
a bank
traditional.
No,
was without
problems.
Someone
to who
was a
person to
be paid to
be sure sure
to be
they're
they're
at the
time of
the month
or when
is a
complete a project.
What is the type of
change?
It's when
when it's
when finally
it's realise
the pay.
Depending on the
responses to
these questions,
it was to
get to
earn or
to earn
money.
A menudo
these transactions
not terminated
because
to the
volatility.
I'm
the liberty
that Bitcoin
me
bring down.
But
it had
to be
something
more,
right?
Chega Ethereum.
Discovered
Ethereum, at
end of 2015,
some
months after
of the
mainnet,
and I'm
instantaneously.
Here
was the
blockchain and
cryptocurrency
that had
all the
benefits of
Bitcoin,
but,
also
was programmable.
Nothing
better for
my
brain
of the
engineer.
The
possibilities
not
had
limit.
It was
like
to discover
a new
world
another
again.
I put
the
most part
of my
I had been there's aorros in Ethereum,
knowing that was there
where they'd be
where I'd be
my enfoque.
Stillia no
there was much
there, but the
idea of what
could be
was attractive.
And then
so said the
Dao-hack.
No destrozo
my
experiences in
Ethereum, but
me
recorded of
the risks
involved in
any new
technology.
Me
I said to
me myself that
all about
all about
with bifurcation or
without bifurcation.
Decidid
that the
risk were acceptable,
being the alternative to the
utilization of the
system
of the
system of
traditional
to the
but Ethereum
still had
a little
a little.
Stability
Maker Dao
I'm a maker
in 2016
thanks to a
series of
coincidences,
the agency
digital where
I still
was contracted
by Maker
and me
uned as
a developer
junior at the
age of 35.
I'm
began to
I was to learn about the premise of Maker
little-a-pocket
of centralized and
of finances abertas.
I did the design of the first version
of the Oraculos of Maker,
the which still still are using.
My motivation principal
was the promise of a
money stable
vinculated to the dollar
American-united,
unidantable,
but with all the
benefits of a crypto-moneda.
Yeah,
I was down.
This was my new mission.
No, I was part of the
team initial that
scribed the document
technical and
not I worked in
the first prototypes,
but I also
me consider a
OG of Maker.
During those
days,
we still were
in the
type of
design and
experimentation.
No existia
open sepeling,
or if
existed,
still were
in their
commences.
All the
what we
did we were
new.
If we
needed a
a tool to resolve a problem,
we'll construct.
The uner me a maker
also means to
to get my salary in Bitcoin
and start to receive
itter,
what resulted is something
for me,
because the price of
ether,
and in reality
of almost all
the cryptomonetas
subia and
subia.
But to
change something
of ether
to pay the
alchilar and the
food not
was so easy.
Bitcoin
still was the
cryptocurrency was the
cryptocurrency
was the
market, for what had to
go to Ether to BTC
before to put ingressed to
the world of the money traditional.
Even so, it was a
pain.
It's June
of 2017.
After years of
work, Maker launched a version
private of Dai of Collateral
Unico, what we now
call us SAI.
The only purpose
of this first version was
being launched in Mainnet,
where the foundation
would an CDP or position of
deuda collateralized,
with ether of collateral,
and would create a sufficient SAI
to pay the salaries
of some volunteers
in the maker
that were trying
to prove for us
the product
that we're constructing.
After to acuniar SAI
and envi-lawed
to the system
would be paid immediately
and those tenedores
of SAI
would have a
portion of the ITER
used as a collateral.
And functioned
to the
perfection, and
we showed
that the system
was ready
for his
moment
stellar.
Pocas
months
after and
after correct
some
version was
a second version
is the
version to
that actually
we referable
as pro-sai.
Only the
foundation Maker
and some
new associates
could have
provided
this version.
But even
even a
first cryptocurrency
cryptocurrency
stable
respalded
for an
active in
the blockchain
of Ethereum
vinculated
one to one
to dollar
state
and respalded
by ether
and
another
in a
demonstration
extreme
of how
to prove
your
product
many
employees
and
not
included
for
the
we're
we're
we're
going
that our
money
was
a
moment
historic
To see those numbers in a transaction of Ethereum,
knowing that,
while the system functioned correctly,
was a moment it was a experience revelator.
Vinnered to my memory of the DAO,
that then was converted on the records of the system
banked Argentino, and me sentia a salvo.
If I'm going to confian in someone with my
money, that are the nerds and the innovators,
not the politicians, the banks, or the government.
No, there was much
to do with my recently
emitiedy
even was a version
beta-privada,
no existia the
tax of interest
of Dye,
no existia
or Epo compound.
More
a lot of
enviars it,
the idea was
to convert it to
either a
other
once.
This
happened some
times during
the
development,
but we
gave an
idea of
the
possibilities,
of the
future.
And so
we're
we're
December 2017.
The month in
that Dai,
of collateral
unico,
was launched.
This was
the launchment
adequate,
the ecosystem
was there
during much
time, and
not us
defraud.
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are so ubiquous in the actuality,
not would have been to almost a year after almost a year after.
I love to think, and I hope that stay in mind with me,
that the existence of Dye of Collateral Unico,
put on march to many of the projects that we're going to.
Thanks to the promise of a medium of interchamble.
Companies like Instadap
commenced-a-up
commenced-a-compan
in a hackathon of 48 hours
Dandons different
and a few times
even more
tools to interact with
the protocol maker
and not
necessitated
to pay permission
no any
to give permission
in a protocol
decentralized
but who
takes the decisions
who says
how many is
there is a
certain amount of
Ether, who determines the tariff
to stability to pay for the SAI generated.
That is the paper of
the governance of Maker, and
is what he has the MakerDAO,
an organization autonomous,
decentralized.
The role of the governance
of Maker.
In DAI of Co-Lateral, Unico,
no existia in many
palancas that were used.
Consistia primarily
in two things.
Sae cotiza
for over the dollar,
reduce the tariff of stability.
Psychotisa for
below of a dollar,
to increase the
taxability.
They're times
more simple.
Even as-as-a-comunied
all the time
as a year-of-the-one
as-one-to-the-one
to do the system
and what to do you
do that's about.
Dato curious,
the chamas of
governances soldian to
do-sarses
in my case
at the hour of
the al-murso.
I'm used
many sasados with arriculars
pustos,
listening these
calls for
disgust of my
family.
But,
for the
document
technical,
Dai of collateral
unico,
not was the
objective
final.
At being
restalled
only by
Eter,
Sae,
even was
very vulnerable
to the
events type
syne
negro or
black swan.
Supponient
that the
price of
Lither
cashed
drastically,
in question
of minutes
or hours,
would
be very
difficult
for the
system recuperars
of
that event.
And,
a
past of
that's
that's
not a
great that
the
crypto
that's
had been
his
paris and
he's
stable.
The
price of
the Ither
passed
of $800
dollars
at the
launchment
of Zai
to 1,400
and then
after 80.
Sin
however,
he did
in the
transcurs
of
various
years.
And even
so,
Sae
mantoo
his promise
of a
size
equal to
a dollar.
And for an
Argentino,
this
representable
other good
way of
getting
access to
dollars.
When
mentioned I
had to
have to
superer
some different
to use
to Bitcoin
to Bitcoin
to
a pesos
after
after a
money
that say
was
in the
market
those
difficulties
disappeared
those
operators
and the
operators and the
Mostrators commerciales of
Ventalibre
commensable to
accept SAI
as
as part of
money,
the platforms
of intercambio
facilitated the
company and
the deposit
of pesos
directly in
a account
bank area.
The
taxis
of debit
with SA
is
turned to
be used to
be able to
and the
days of
the factura
All we know that stability
and in an economy
as an inestable as
my, when
they're in a stability
with decentralization and
transparency, the result
is an economy imparable.
Now,
permit me to
last two years
to November of
2019 and the
launchment of DAI
Multicolateral.
Dai Multicolateral,
or MCD, MCD,
MCD,
represents the culmination of
years of work of hundreds of
people.
Toma lessons
learned during
two years of
execution of Sai,
iterating and
reparando errors
and suppuests.
Here, the
governance of Maker
has a work
much more difficult
to do.
It has to
administer not one,
but two
active different
used as
as a guarantee
to generate DAI,
Ether,
and Basic Attention
Token, or VAT.
Sae,
is a collateral, but it's a case
special, because only
it's a case of using from
the old system of collateral
unical to new.
And in the last
weeks, it has
added USDC as
third corateral.
The chamas
governments of
governance
discusses
the state of
the parity,
the relation
between the
price and the
tarifes
of stability,
and also
one of the
major
logros of
Dae multicolateral,
the
tax of
the interest
of Dai.
And, as a
the time,
the community
not only has
become a
better better
organizing
and so that's
listening to
and putting
changes in the
system and
in general
reactioning
rapidly to
the conditions
of the
market.
Collapse of
the markets.
While
I was this
enshrie
this ensue
at the
March of
2020,
was starting
the torment
perfecta.
A war
of prices
of
petrolio
and a
that virus that generated uncertainty in the markets.
Finals of February,
no,
we brought inquietude to all.
Finally,
we've seen a collapse
absolute of the markets
traditional and of
cryptocurrencies,
the 12th of
2020.
Around of the
50% of the
value of the
ether, and the
majority of the
crypto monies in
general,
was disbeneceo de
repented,
and the DAI
multicolateral,
respalded
primarily by
Ether,
also was affected.
The blockchain of Ethereum
was congestioned,
with prices
with the gas
subient to
the 300 gigaway
per unit of gas,
something
unaudito.
Not only
the transactions
were incredibly
costosas,
but that
were the
same time,
that the
majority
was stanked in
the Mampool,
expecting
their opportunity
to be
mined.
All
the actors in
the ecosystem
were affected
or are called pools of liquides, titulars of MakerVolts, tenedores of Dai, or Guardians.
The guardians are, generally, bots automatized, that scanean the chain of blocks ethereal in
search of opportunities of arbitrage.
In the case of the Protocol Maker, the Guardianses participates in subastas of collateral
that are produced when the positions are involved insufficiently capitalized,
and the system remata this collateral
to recover Dai and permanent.
The oraculents also were affected.
With the crescente
of offers of gas and tantas transactions in
the sped, the oraculos,
that are called to actualize the system
with prices of the world real,
tardarer,
in retrospective,
this permitted that some
proprietors of Bolts
aggregarer more collateral
or pagaring a little of their deude in Dai,
because they had some of time additional
to do it,
before that the oraculo
were actualized,
with a price more
back and provoked a
liquidation.
But even so,
simply not had
sufficient space in the
blocks of Itherium
to include the transactions
of all the world.
As a result
of all the anterior,
they decedernated
a grand quantity
of sub-subastas
of colateral,
and a sub-conjunct
of these sub-sustas
were won't
by postores that presented
offers
just over
over the
this was
really the
torment perfect
the property
the world
luching
with the
high prices
and the
demoraes
the red
trying to
adder die
to add
their
volts
the platforms
of interchamble
also
were affected
as
coinbase
congeled
effectively
the
retires
for a
time
due
to the
high
the
costed
and the
with the crescent demand of Dai and the crisis of liquidity, the price of the Dai
commenced to rise, getting to almost 1.14 Dai per dollar, the 12th of March.
The guardians also suffered the consequences.
If bien the Foundation Maker has a guardian to participate in subastas of collateral,
also sent you the stress of these high prices of gas, transactions retrasadas and
lack of liquidess.
With tantas subastas,
occurring at the
BES, no
there was time
sufficient to
reclacal
the collateral
to DAI
to participate
in more
subastas.
Of the
four robots
Guardians
known that
participated
in these
subastas
two,
commensar
offertas
zero.
The
fact,
the offerent
sent were
offers
for a
penas
decimals
on
the
and they
were
more of
$4
million
of
Nisfer, basically
gratis.
After
a time,
the guardians
were able to
recover liquides
and they
started to
offer to
know the
restorating the
space
competitive of
the
subasta.
At final,
they liquidated
around
of 1,200
volts,
what
resulted in
4,4147
subastas.
Due
to the
deficit of
the subastats of
collateral, the
system
Maker
needs to
recover approximately
5.4 million of Dye.
Here is where the governance and community
decentralized and transparentes
are so important, and also is here
where more brilliared. In the forums and chat
of Maker, the community began to
discuss the events and to planificate
how to reactioner to the
better. There was a voteation to
change some parameters of risk in the system,
giving the Guardians more time to offer them in the
subastas.
Also, it was important to reduce the parity
to a $1.00.
The tariffes of stability
were reduced.
The TASA of interest of Dai
was reduced to zero
for first time
from its creation.
Also, also
a new collateral,
not correlational,
with the market crypto.
USDC,
the moneta stable
is respalded by
money traditional.
This proportioned
diversification and would a
fount additional of liquidess if
were necessary.
This not stood
exempt of controversy, and
I ask you to whoever to
read or learn the transcriptions
of the Chamas of Governance
from 12 to 20
March of 2020,
to understand why the
community took this decision.
The system also
needed to recover 5.4
million of DAI.
The protocol Maker
is designed to
so
that
the
people
of MKR
cubes
this
deficit
mediating
the
dilution
of
the
MKR.
If
a
liquid
a
and the
subast
of
collateral
not
a
diso
and
dishing
to reem
the
debt
in die
a
a
subast
md
and
for the
time
diluctions
the
value
the
value of
the
It's a risk that the titulares of MKR
and insta to act to responsibly,
maintainers informed, participate, and vote.
While I'm going to write, the protocol Maker
created and completed with exit 106 subusts of debt.
Each one recouded 50,000 DAI and offercied
quantities of MCR.
The total of MKR accrued was of 20,000,
The community Maker is
the circumstances in toronto
to the offertas and liquidations zero
and are they finally
determine how to address this problem.
Invito to all
to go to the Forum and participate in this discussion.
There are much
to learn of this experience and I hope
that all get more fervantes at final.
There are a major participation in
callas of governance and
votation,
is a
construction
new tools
to make
to make sure
to the
public
the fundation
maker,
and for the
grand
community
DFI.
The
titulares
of MKR
entienten
now that's
a great
responsibility
to have
this
MKR.
Because
your action
or inaction
rapid as
can
have consequences
good or
malas.
In
quite to
me,
I create
plenament
in the
system,
the
foundation and the community.
My cheque of
Pago
still being
100% in Dye
and I
continueer
to make the
protocol maker
be more
resistant for the
major
quantity of
time that
I'm
not
something?
In
some moment
of my
story,
I'm
to talk
about the
economy
Argentina and
the
inflation.
This
is to
that day
me has
given the
privilege
and the
opportunity
to
to gain my salary in an active stable that
no requires much
effort and planification.
No me has to
think, how am I to
pay my money in the
hours, or I'm trying to
buy something tangible
like a motorcycle that
more or less
to see the inflation.
Only I'm
and all the months
gain a salary in a
money a strong.
It's so simple and
beautiful and so that.
What many countries
do present,
we're
we value
Linda
Shee
mention in
your
own
ensuing
How
Memes
can help
crypto go
mainstream
that
she
asked
about
the
perspectives
of
different
types of
different
and she
say and I
say
I'm
far
the
majority
of
the
responses
that
were
the
I
were
this is
something
that
is
something
I
the
long
trajectory
in
the
the way for
to have control
over your
own money
in this
economy
so difficult,
has led to
many
Argentinians
to the
discovery
of the
cryptocurrencies,
but of
a way
different to
that I,
or a
person
technical
would have
done in
2012,
2013,
or
2014.
With
the
surgiment of
the
cryptocurrencies
stable,
the idea
of
the idea of
money that
can
be
censured
or
confiscated,
but
whose
value
still
being
predesible, has
desperado the interest of
people of all the aspects of the
life.
And here is where I
do the distinction that
does a advantage to the
South American.
A tolerance
incredibly high
to risk.
When one
is firmly that
no more riskoos
that their own
government or the
bankers,
any alternative
is a lot of
more attractive.
I've seen
my own
own own
form of economy
in
internet, in groups of Telegram and WhatsApp
a through reunions seminal.
That never thought that were possible with
the cryptomonets volatiles.
If you want to see the power
real that the cryptomonets have
over the people common,
you insto to look at the
sur.
You'll finders a great number
of users intelligent,
who have been found
forms of protect their money
during years, and
always looking the next
a great opportunity.
I think the cryptomoneas
stable and decentralized as
like Dai
are the next
grand opportunity
that have been
waiting.
These are
people trying
to take
positions a
long-placement,
operations with
margin or
apalankment.
Aregentin,
Colombian,
Venezolans
and other
that are
to be able to
operate and
want to
do you,
they're
to deal to
just to cover
the
gastos,
always
resagated by
the inflation
and retom
the control
of their
money.
They're
to look at
a system
bankari
that's
unciated
year
after a year,
decade
and could
say,
Basta,
it's
sufficient.
Abuel,
deseria
that could
have seen
this.
Thanks so much
for
joining us
today.
To learn more
about
Mariano
and to
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essay in
Spanish
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