Uncle Joey's Joint with Joey Diaz - #162 - Ben Fowlkes, Joey Diaz, and Lee Syatt

Episode Date: March 25, 2014

MMA writer Ben Fowlkes calls in to talk about TRT and the future of MMA. This podcast is brought to you by: Onnit.com. Use Promo code CHURCH for a discount at checkout. Hulu Plus. Visit Huluplus.com/joey for an extended free trial. Dollar Shave Club. Use promo code CHURCH and get high quality razors sent to your door. Escapepodtank.com Mention Joey or the Church and get $250 off. Recorded live on 03/24/2014.

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happening now. Joey Diaz and you'll get an extra $250 off your order. Oh shit. It's Monday. March 24th, the day the devil was fucked in the ass, then buried at sea. Oh shit. Little sound guard in here. What? Leap on the wrong fucking jam, but that's okay. He's lucky I don't stab him in the fucking hand. This is the wrong man? It's beautiful brother, don't worry about it. It's a beautiful day to be alive. Beautiful fucking day to be alive. Kick that shit, man. It's over. It's over. Close that door, buddy. I don't want Puerto Rican fucking in here. We got equipment, we got a kilo of ball in here. It's going down Monday, April 24th.

March 24th. What the fuck? These fucking vapors are getting to me. Turn it off, please. What's happening? You bad motherfuckers. The church of what's happening now. Flavor, Lisa, yeah, AKA the flying Jew. What's going on player? AKA, I don't know. I'm doing good. It was a good weekend. Everything's great except for you made fun of me because I got roped into going to a bad restaurant again. It's a fucking king of bad restaurants and he sits in, takes this abuse. I got a snap after three minutes like I'm not fucking going. I refuse to fucking go. I don't care where the fucking group is going. I don't give a fuck about groups. I'm my own fucking group. I got an H on my back that's been killing me for 15 fucking minutes.

I don't know what the fuck I'm looking at. There you go. I got like a hair patch or some shit. It's fucking growing. But it's Monday. You mother fuckers, get up, wash your asshole. You got to go out there and deal with it. Like I said, smile in your heart, fucking love and some balls. That's what you fucking need today until you're making it happen. Trust me. I live on this shit every fucking day. I ain't no better than you motherfuckers. I'm just trying to put the pieces together. I saw Lee yesterday. We had some coffee with the baby. She's so fucking big. She's fucking huge. Do you get nervous about swearing? Because I think I swore once, and I made the service. I get nervous because one day she's

going to pick it up. She is picking it up. It's going into a computer. Every time she takes a nap, she hears fuck, fuck suck it, fuck your mother up the ass. Well, she's doing the talking. You picked up the cell phone and you started talking and then she has a baby cell phone and then she started, she started doing it. She started doing the hand movement. She put it up to her ears. She did the thing, but she like, she's just the only thing missing is the words. It's a pink little fucking plastic cell phone you buy that toy store. And whenever my phone rings, she picks up her cell phone and she puts it to her ear. Like she's talking to someone like, what's going on? I hear I hear your cock suck this. What else? Did you go to movies? Did you eat dinner with the wife?

I ate dinner with the wife. We went to a high place. That's what we like. No, we didn't. We didn't go to the movies. I spent the weekend looking for a dog, but I've decided that that's just something I'm going to have to wait on a little bit. It's because I had been going to a rescue and I wasn't finding anything. So we decided to go to the local shelter. And it's just, it's like, it's too hot. It's like hundreds of examples of when people couldn't handle getting a dog. I even picked one out. I had an adorable little one and it was calm because that's what I need a calm dog. I can't, I don't, I can't have one running around being crazy, especially my place. And it got me sad because the woman was saying this dog

was 10 months old and it had been adopted from that shelter and the family had recently, like two days before I brought it back. I'm like, how could, like this isn't, you can't do that to a dog after it gets used to a family and it's, it's stuck in a little cage now. And, and it's just, I, I, even though I have more time than I've ever had at home, I just, I don't feel like I have enough time as a single person. Nothing pisses me off when people don't think out the mood. Yeah. Think out the fucking move. It's like when you see a homeless guy with a fucking dog, obviously he didn't think the fucking move out or he has the dog as a ploy to make some cash from people from animal lovers and I understand it. But there's nothing worse than

getting a dog and then realizing your schedule, your time and it happened to you once before. Yeah. So when you called me and said that the, my natural insult was to just tell you to go fuck yourself. But I told you to think about it. Think about it for 24 hours. That's what everybody should do. Think about it for 24 fucking hours. Don't get me wrong. It took me 20 years to realize that I'm no fucking genius. But I'm telling you, anything I've ever done now, I think about it for 24 fucking hours and you see it for what it is. You're 25. You want to get into different things. You have no family out here. You have no cover. You're like me. You know, when Terry started bringing fucking cats upstairs, I knew my life was changing. Then you live through an earthquake.

You see what an earthquake is and you think about what it does to this animal, this cat, or this dog that you love and you really can't leave. What if last Monday is would have been 9.9 and you're here and the building falls down. You got to fly over there and save the fucking animal and it's just, it's a lot of responsibility at a young age. If you had a house here, if you were planning on staying here, you know, anything could change at any time. You have this dog and there's nobody here. Your girlfriend has to take a train every day to go over there. I go over there a few times a week, but then I got to go out of town. And it's just, it's not, it doesn't happen a lot, but every once in a while you'd be like,

hey, we're going to San Diego. We'll be back tonight, but it's still six hours or fucking it. It's just, there's enough of a time where I wouldn't want to do that to a dog. So what I've decided is I'm going to do something, maybe volunteer at the shelter or something because I do love the dogs, but even some people wrote to me on Twitter when I said that, like, listen, man, it's not, I think as a single person, it's probably too much because the girl I've been talking about moving in together in like a year or something, I think when that happens and there's two people at the house and she could come in at lunchtime if you're out of town, you know, it really helps. Nothing fucking pisses me off more than going to a shelter and seeing 20 fucking

pit bull mixes. Oh, there's so many of them. There's, there was a Saint Bernard puppy that was probably like already 100 pounds and it was just so happy. And yeah, some of the pit bulls were kind of scary at the shelter. They're angry, but some of them are so sweet and they just look so happy. And then there was one, the one that probably made me not get the dog was one and they all have on the sheet when it came in. One came in in January and this one didn't even come out to say hi to anybody. We were just sitting in the back and just like, had been there for three months and was like, Oh, he was giving up hope. Yeah. And it's just it's fucking wild. No, no, no, it's wild to even I see those things at parks now. And I won't even walk. I almost went there yesterday.

There was one in the park in Laurel Canyon, Laurel Canyon always has them on Sunday. And I went over there one day and I walked over and I seen these cats and I saw a cat that was just like mine, like my super bad. And it's just to me, you know, I couldn't think of my life without the those fucking cats I have those cats. Now with the baby, it's it's fucking too much. But I still deal with it. And I realized how much they love me, my cats and how much I love them this days. I have fucking Harry and super bad fucking immortal enemies. Do you understand me? They're more than all they hate each other since day one. I got one on this fucking leg and I got super bad on my chest. And that's the way you know, that's just the way it goes. And I look at

them, I look at my daughter, they mean the same to me. It's the weirdest thing they both fucking super bad. I would have never stopped snorting without super bad. And he's the ugliest, raddiest, stinky, smelliest fucking cat. I smelled his face last night. But I love, I love holding him and squeezing him and Harry. He this morning I was doing something, you know, I wasn't even fucking crying. I wanted to do what the fuck Harry, he was hungry. I went over, I fed him, I fed him, I picked him up, I kissed him, you know, it's Monday. On Mondays, I try to kiss him all and hug it. Like last Monday, I didn't know that they were looking for attention. They were letting me know there was going to be a fucking earthquake and I didn't

even know it. And I picked them up like fucking all of them. I started kissing them and telling them I love them before I left because they were acting weird. And look, when I came back, there was an earthquake and I didn't think about it till I was later, you know, do you think you have, because I mean, you'll have the cats while Mercy is there. But do you think if you ever got into a bigger house, like, I think it was important for me to have a dog, because the cats, cats is responsibility. But the, like the act of taking a dog out, I think is, is important. Have you thought about getting a dog for her? Is it, I mean, there's just, because I was watching you yesterday, and I can't imagine, like, it just seems like it's,

I don't know how you get it. I honestly don't know how you guys get anything done, because like just, she threw the bug down, she started crying a little bit. I was like, oh my, how do you like not focus fully? So just like, I always, I always started thinking 10 years in the future, it just, you get used to it. And you, I know for a fact, I know before I had the child that I was never going to a friend of mine said, listen, when you have them, don't think of doing nothing else. Do you not going to write, you're not going to read a book, you're not going to be able to watch TV. It's too much attention. So you know this, you know, and that's it. You just, when you have her, you watch, you watch, and sometimes you watch his TV and sometimes you

got to read her a book. And it's a commitment. It's a commitment at every fucking level, but you do it, you know, sometimes in the summer, you ever see like, I go to the fucking studio city, I've said this a thousand times, I go to the studio, I go to the park, and I'll see a nanny with two kids at the park. The mother doesn't even have time. God forbid she's that busy. But then I'll swing two miles across town, and I'll see a Mexican woman that's pregnant, pushing a fucking kid in a carriage with a kid in one hand with groceries. Yeah. And you're like, what the fuck? What the fuck? You know what I'm saying? So it's whatever you do. It's whatever you fucking choose and how you choose to do it. You know, time is time, you know, time is you have

to make time for everything you have to make time for yourself. It's really important. I had a really good time this weekend. I had a fucking great time last week, you know, I had a, I was sore the one day from Jiu Jitsu or something. So I didn't do much Wednesday and Thursday, but I did some comedy last week, you know, I did the Doug Benson thing. It was a big time stony week last week. I was Tuesday, Wednesday, and then Friday, we got high again. You didn't want to get high with me. So it was a stony weekend. But Friday night, I did something that had been looking forward to for a long fucking time. I went to a third year anniversary party at my Jiu Jitsu school. Oh, cool. Now they always have little things. They always have once every 60 days, they have a barbecue,

a belt promotion, this, that, a demonstration, and they always barbecue afterwards. And I'm always out of fucking town, always out of fucking town. So I got the email for this, like the beginning of the month, I was just, I put it on the calendar. I told my wife I was going and I fucking, I went down there, I did the beginner class, I did the whole Marcelo madness, which is calisthenics, and then I stayed to spar for about, so about nine, 15. And I was going to go and do a set of flappers and then come back. There was a friend of mine, I want to see if Jimmy Schubert was up there. But I went home and I took a shower and the baby was still awake. So I said, fuck it, I just went and got a case of beer and went over to the party. I didn't drink,

I had a hamburger and a hot dog. And at one moment I just sat there and looked at all these kids, because that's basically what they are. They're fucking kids, they're 25 year old kids. You know, some are working, some are not working, some are getting out of school, some are thinking of going back, you know, and what keeps them together is this jujitsu class, you know, it's a cheap jujitsu class, it's $60 a month. And that's all they could afford, you know, they live on ramen and shit. And they get like a gig and it's so weird that I sat there for like 30 minutes just looking and I kept my mouth shut and say two words, nobody asked me to take a fucking picture. Nobody asked me if I'd been auditioning,

nobody asked me if I was doing a set, nobody asked me if I was in a movie. I was just a regular person, man. And that's why I do that. How often do that happen? Happens every time I go to jujitsu. Anytime I've gone into a martial art the last five years, I go in there and I leave everything at the fucking door when I walk in there. It's my hour, like we've discussed before. But it's also, I don't know, this, my biggest mistake, people always say, if I would have stayed in martial arts, if I would have, I went to church with my wife yesterday and we dropped a baby off in daycare downstairs and I hung around, Terry goes upstairs, it's her church, not mine. So I rather hang out and watch the kids play with

the tambourines and shit. And there's a girl downstairs, Sophia. And I, and she was talking to me about ballerina, how it fucks up her toes. And she goes, yeah, you know, my ballerina I've been doing since I was two or three, blah, blah, blah. And I said to her, you know, screw me a favor. Whatever you fucking decide in your life, don't ever quit ballet. How old is she? She's going, she just turned 13. Okay. She goes to school with Felicia's kids. Okay. All right. So that's how I know her. Her name is Sophia. Good looking young girl. She's going to be fucked, but she's got a great head. You can tell she's an only child and you can see that she's older. When you walked in when she told me she was 13, I thought she was like 28. I can't fucking tell.

But it was really weird that I said to her, don't quit. Whatever you're doing, even if it doesn't make you money in the future, that thing you've been doing since you were two, that'll always bring you back. And a lot of people don't know that. And then the other woman said, you know, I played the piano all my life. My father made me hate it. And the other girl goes, I used to sing. And my father made me hate it. And then you all try to get back into it now. One of my biggest mistakes at 15 was dumping karate. It destroyed me because it kept me intact. It was a group of people that I didn't hang out with, which meant I only saw them when I went to karate or karate events. So whatever I was doing, my friends in North Bergen at the time,

it didn't really matter when I went down there on whatever, Tuesday, Thursdays, and Saturday mornings to throw sidekicks. You know, if I smoked pot with my friends, I didn't smoke pot with these karate kids. These karate kids you went, you bought a gi, you beat each other up, and then you all went out for cheeseburgers and talked about fucking the martial arts supply store how they just got a new set of knee pads and you got to get them in red. That was your big fucking geek out. That wasn't what I did. And then something fucking something possessed me to go hang out with these other gorillas that none of them were into anything but bad shit. And my life went astray. And then when I was 25 or 26 and in 1994, whatever the fuck I was 30, I said to myself,

I'm going to go back to martial arts and thank God I got I got back into like a tank pseudo traditional bowing the whole fucking thing. And it was really special for me. It really brought me back when I focused my stand up. So then when I went off to deep and again for 10 fucking years, over here in 2006, before I went on the fucking weight watcher thing, I went to this karate school kung fu school in Vermont with these black dudes, these two black dudes. I used to call it kung fu with the brothers. And I loved it. And it brought me back to focus. How does how does a karate class bring your life back? Like, because it seems like it's only an hour a day. Like, how does it focus your whole life? Because it takes you away from your life and it

makes you look at your life from a different angle. You follow me and takes you away from there. Just walking into a gym, walking into a martial arts school, walking into something that takes an hour we had, because you think about your day, you think about your week, you think about your day, you work six hours, you do the and you go to yourself, what do I do the other five hours? I fuck off. And you go to yourself, what if I did something different, one of those fucking hours, you know, when I was a kid, I went to martial arts. It was weird. It kept me away from things full time. Do you follow me? It was my time away, like, like my friend Joey, who's a fucking boozer, she joined Kung Fu karate down the bottom of me, in fact, there was

tanks who dug. And I tried to explain that I go Joey, I don't give a fuck if you don't quit, if you don't quit drinking. But think about this, your class two nights a week is the day of the clock. Those two days, you're not going to drink till 9 30. You're going to keep focused and not have a drink till late 30. So even if you fuck around for five days, there's going to be two days that you're going to find something to do till eight 30. You're going to go to the class, you're going to have a great time. And once you walk out of that fucking class, I don't give a fuck if you walk into your cabinet and drink the whole fucking thing of booze and alcohol and ice cubes and olives and fucking whatever the fuck you with margaritas salt. But you understand

me, bro, that fucking hour and a half keeps you so focused. And it could be anything. It doesn't have to be fucking jitsu, it could be fucking anything. It could be capoeira, it could be kickboxing, it could be judo, it could be karate, it could be yoga, whatever that little thing keeps you, it takes you away from usually the people who are always talking about what you don't want to fucking talk about your life. When you sit with Paula, after the hellos and the goodbyes and the bullshit, how long do you tell her that you need to make more money? How long does she talk to you about her fucking life going to law school? Yeah, this is it. That hour, nobody knows about your fucking problems. That hour you go to grow, you go to grow mentally, you might have a little

goal for yourself. You know what today, dog, those fucking drills in the beginning, I'm gonna fucking throw 10 kicks instead of eight. I don't care if I don't breathe the rest of the fucking class. That particular drill, I'm gonna throw eight kicks today. I'm gonna throw 10s today. You know, sometimes I go to jiu-jitsu and I go, you know what, for that I'm gonna go pass the black on hip escapes. And I give myself a person to go, when I walk out of jiu-jitsu, I'll tell you something. If you catch me at the door, you'd have to set my dick for two hours before a drop of young young juice came out. Because that's how high I am. I'm just, I'm for what I just did. When I walk out of jiu-jitsu, it's the best time for me to write. It's the best

time for me to do a podcast. I wish I could go from jiu-jitsu right to the fucking stage. Because I destroy every time, because the accomplishment that you feel. Okay. So if you say you're still like, yeah, the gym is great and all this stuff, but there's different things that you could do. I don't give a fuck if it's an art class. It might be an art class, but it takes you away from that bullshit. From your bullshit, you know, I'm not saying your bullshit, my bullshit, my own bullshit, you know, from the cat needs food and who didn't fucking puke and I got to go to the weed store and just the dilemmas of the fucking day, you know, it's just amazing what it does for you.

So how, I mean, I don't remember, I did martial arts all through school and I don't remember as a kid having those thoughts, but when you're saying that to me, I'm thinking, well, if I'm in class, maybe my mind will be elsewhere, maybe my mind will be on those things. So did you have to train yourself to not worry about it? Because after a while, you do get caught if an instructor is saying, well, let's sit, he's setting you up for a fucking thing. And you look down and you do get caught. You're like, fuck, when I leave here, I got to go right to the bank. You know, you might think about that. I'm gonna have to go right to the bank and cash that check. If not, my family's not going to eat tonight, whatever. I'm just saying, right then and then Lee, something catches you

and you're like, okay, they're like, come over here, Lee demonstrated on Joey. And now you got to throw me over for a punch me in the stomach or karate chop me and throw a kick. And now you're like, fuck, when the teacher demonstrated, I didn't think I could do it. But I could do it. I just missed by three inches. Let me do this again. And also, you throw that kick and that punch and now you're like, wow, a little closer. And now you get sucked in, bro. You just get sucked in by your own abilities by the things you can do, not the things you can't do. It's a very weird fucking thing, man. And I knew that when I got out of this, that if I look back, I was a fucking moron. I ate that girl's pussy and it made me crazy. I got a lot of back in the seventh grade, right?

Yeah, it happens. And after I got left back, I got really smart really quick because I did the things I wasn't doing before. I was taking notes in class, doing shit like that. But I also think that I got really into basketball after I got left back. And I got very into martial arts after I got left back. And that focused me, man. It really focused me. I never got in trouble. And yeah, I started smoking pot with the neighborhood guys, but I would never tell my martial artist friends. It was like a fucking stripe against me if I told my martial artist friends. When I quit martial arts, I didn't quit it because I quit because I wanted to party more than I want to do martial arts. I didn't want to work anymore, bro. Yeah, that's what I

didn't want to do. I didn't want to work anymore. It's a fucking shame. And it took me 10 years to realize that if I have a friend or a daughter or a son or a nephew who got involved in something, doesn't have to be martial arts. It's gonna be anything. They got involved in the archery. I don't give a fuck. I'm saying to keep doing that. And to keep doing that because it'll keep you centered. It's like when you're a telemarketer or a salesman, they give you a pitch to read on the phone. After 90 days, you go on the tangent, and you start just talking. And then you realize you're not selling anymore until you go back to that script. That's what I'm talking about. Sometimes you have to go back to the original script of your life. That's what you did for 15 years. My

cousin played the piano. There was a girl there who said she played the piano. And then one day she stopped because of the abuse of father. Your father's like, play the fucking piano on Saturdays. She goes, I'd be playing the piano. Listen to the kids playing outside. So I got turned off to the piano. And I go, don't you wish you started playing that? She goes, I did. A year and a half ago, I started taking lessons again. And I finally just financed the piano. So it's amazing. Sometimes people find themselves again, they go back to what they were doing as kids. Because you want to go back to that moment, you want to see what the fuck you were thinking at 14 and 15, when you were something, when you did have ambition, when you did have a wanting for

life. I look at my daughter when they clap on a TV show, and she gets fucking excited. We don't fucking clap no more because we've been poisoned. We've been poisoned. But to have that virginity to life again, to have that, to be excited about life again as a child, you know, we're going to win these. If I tell you you're going to win these, now you're like, all right, I'll eat a double, but fuck, my stomach is going to be so, I'm not eating a chili. But when you're a kid, you're talking McDonald's, they jump up and fucking down. That's why McDonald's will never close down. Because every day you get a million fucking new customers. Every time a little kid is fucking born, give them two years, they're going to have McDonald in their fucking mouth.

I saw that this weekend, and not to change the subject, but I was watching something, and there was kids commercials, and they're so fucking manipulative. Have you noticed that watching the kids shows with your daughter? Like, especially the Chuck E. Cheese and the New Arounds, and you're not around. So that's sucking them to fuck in. Oh, yeah. No, that's why they lose their fucking mind. Because while they're watching the commercial, they have devils, stabbing them with a hundred dollar bills, and police and shit. So that's what the kids really fucking see. Yeah. You've been hearing about that about Coke, that when you went to a movie theater, that Coke would slow down the, if you, if you slowed down the advertising, Coke would draw

some little messages. Oh, I'm sure. You're thirsty, get up. Like one frame every second or so. Popcorn and some shit like that. But it was just, it just felt nice to be around normal people, bro. Yeah, that must not happen a lot with you. And I'm not saying everywhere you go, it's not like you go to Ralph's and there's a parade for Joey Diaz. No, no, no, no. I'm not talking about in this way. This is what I'm talking about. I don't think everyone knows who you are. I'm talking about a sense. We walk in here. I come in here to do a podcast. I sit down with you, a guest comes in. And within four minutes ago, you've been auditioning lately.

Or I'll ask him, I'm no fucking innocent. You've been auditioning lately. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but next thing that we're talking, fucking shot. Anywhere I go, I'm going to talk shop to in my house while I'm trying to deal with my wife. How was your day? Good. Boom. I talked to this guy. You're talking shop. It happens with every job too. I did that with my TV jobs. Every time we, every time on the weekends. And it was funny because we hated the job. But anytime we go together for drinks after work on the weekends, and I'll go back to that box, we hated it, or I can't believe I can't believe how stupid they are. All you want to do is get your mind out of there. So you still grow personally. No, is it, do you think it's important that it was

something you did as a kid or could it be something totally new? It could be something totally new. Okay. But I'm saying if you think about it, if you're an adult right now, you know, over 30, and you did something as a kid, and you stopped doing it, I want you to think about when you were doing it, how you felt about life. Wouldn't you want to feel like that again? Yeah. Wouldn't you want to feel like that again? So this might just bring you back. You have a fucking smell something that reminds you of your mom's stew or something your mom used to cook, a certain hot dog. And it fucking arouses you for five minutes. And you think about the last time your mom made it, how it can't be your mom, your mom's 2000 miles away. You follow me, but it takes you back. I'm

feeling the same thing for something you did every fucking day, you know, even if you just go out there and play two hand touch, maybe for three minutes. I don't fucking know. I'm just saying for me, it worked. Yeah. For me, I saw the beginning of the end for somebody else, maybe not. Where's the fucking musically? It's Monday, the 24th. Who the fuck knows what happened to the devil today? I don't know if he was buried at sea. I don't know if he was on that Malaysian plane. You gotta fuck knows what that fucking devil is. Where's Tony Bennett Lee? You're supposed to, there you go. A little something from my mom, a little something for some people in your life. They're watching you, cocksuckers. Stay black. Oh, shit. Where's that fucking vapor pen?

Jesus. When somebody breaks your heart. Some somebody twice as smart. Yummy for your tummy. Do you plays like when you said tackle football or touch the ball? I wasn't ever good at sports, but I have like four or five sports moments that I had as a kid that I remember clears the bell. Good. I mean, listen to Tony, but he could tell me all about him later. I will tell you all about him, son of a bitch. I had an interception and I fell in the end zone. It's exciting. Did you? I was fifth grade and I tricked the guy. I was like, I'm on your team and I was on this team. I got the ball. It's a whole new trick.

Let's see if the puzzle fits. Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not kidding. Are you fucking into the piano? Run it, Lee. Revenge is sweet, Lee. Even Tony Bennett says so. Nice guy in America. You're going to Tony Bennett land this weekend. Excited? I'm going to Fort Lauderdale. I know. Is that Tony Bennett land? It has to be. There's so many old Jews in all of the town. Oh, that's what you meant, Cocksuck. I didn't know you were talking about that. That's what Tony Bennett was from Fort Lauderdale. No, no, no. It's like he's down there spring breaking at the beach or the beginning. I'm sure he is. He's like the most

interesting man in the world. He really is. It's amazing. He's still working. He's still doing what he fucking loves, you know what I'm saying? What the fuck, Lee Cocksuck? You're not getting high no more. You're gonna need other bulls the other fucking day. I ain't no bulls two day in the Who cares? Two days. You're a fucking Marine. You got to eat every day. Like a savage. You got any left around here? What's the other bulls? You do them all home? I know you got them. No, you have them all. You sure? Yeah. I got to check that out. Why would I have any of them? Because maybe you want to save them. Maybe you want to dose the girlfriend and fucking take pictures. I don't fucking know. I don't ask you a question.

What are you looking at the screen for? What's the matter? What's on this? Just looking for the call. Just looking for the call. Fucking upset. What's the problem, Lee? I'm perfect. You good? What are you gonna do today? What do you got on the agenda? At nine o'clock, we have a flying G-Radio. Okay. Today? Today. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And then I spent last night packing up the t-shirt order. So, okay, and they're gonna go out today. Going out today. You gonna take them to the mail by the bottom? I know I already put the stamps on and stuff, so just throw them in the box. And they come over and go? They would, but I just, I was going out. So I just figured I'd bring them over because I didn't want to look. You can't schedule a time.

Like, it's just they'll come over whenever they come over, so I felt better about putting it in the box. Okay, so then you put it, you take it to the post office. Or any blue box. I'll just throw them in there. They're already stamped. Blue box. Yeah. No shit. That's what they said. We'll see how it works. Okay. See, I'm saying, you learn it. Yeah. This is a beauty of it. What the fuck? What the fuck, dog? What the fuck? But it is pretty cool. I mean, I know we have people in different countries, but like, I'm sending a shirt to Australia and to Austria. I'm like, how the fucking, how cool is an email from Norway last night, Finland's big in the fucking house. I got some white people in China smoking opium over there. Thank you. Do you see what happened to Cleo, like her husband

guarding the car accident or something? I think he's okay. But yeah, but she put that on Twitter that but he's fine. But but I saw that yesterday with Cleo. So I'm, I'm going to turn her email. Man, I got some fucking great emails this week. I really did. You know, you got a problem. You want to chit chat and fucking go to what is it? Beating the beast podcast. Beating the beast podcast at gmail.com and send me a fucking email. Oh, no, no, I think you're going to go to joeydears.net. Yeah, go to joeydears.net. I got a lot of addiction for I guess addiction is fucking huge. Oh, yeah, fucking pills and blow and people are freaking the fuck out. But sometimes it's not an addiction, I think. Sometimes it's

just people want to party and they're scared to quit, but they know how to fucking quit. Do you know what I'm saying? I think everyone knows it's I mean, from Austin for me, it's food. I think everyone knows what they have to do. It's just it's a it's hard doing it because it's not easy and it's not it's not fun. I just get surprised on how many fucking people email me about addiction. And you know, you I knew I've learned a complete lesson the last five years. I learned a complete fucking lesson because I thought that when I wouldn't tell my stories, I thought that everybody had a celebrity they dealt with it. I thought that everybody once mugs on body in the back of my head. I thought that one day Lee was gonna say, well, I fucking

stabbed the hook. I always thought that about people. I don't know fucking why. And then I found out no, when I would tell people, I found out that I was fucked up. You know, that was a little fucked up from the way I lived and whatever. And you tell your fucking stories. And I have no idea where I'm going with this. I got too high on that fucking baby. That vapor pump will kick your ass. You know, it's been 35 or 36 days. I haven't smoked dope. How are you? How are your lungs feeling? My lungs are doing better. Sometimes I get surprised. I do. I take those fucking shroom texts. And I get surprised like Friday night. I took the shroom text and I got surprised on how much energy and how much low power I had. Let me tell you how much how good the shroom text

were on fucking Monday. On Friday night, I went to an hour fucking beginner class. Then I did an hour calisthenics squats, jumping jacks, push-ups, sit-ups. I can't do the fucking burpees. I'm not gonna lie to nobody. And I can't do the cross country, whatever the fuck. I ain't gonna lie to nobody. I did those three sets of 20 each. And then we rolled. I rolled three things in five minutes a piece. Then I went fucking home. I did five sets of swing kettlebells and five sets of cleaning jerks, clean and presses with a squat. That's how fucking good the shroom text are fucking doing. I'll tell you what, man, if you're looking for fucking energy, whether you're a fat fuck or skinny fuck, you're starting out, you just want to give it a shot to see it doesn't raise your heart beat,

your heart doesn't pound out of your fucking shirt. It just gives you this weird energy when you think you should be breathing heavy. You're not. That's what the shroom text does. It's something in those whatever type of mushrooms. So do me a favor, man. If you're looking to start working out of something, and I hate plugging something here, but I just remember some time and I just want to tell you on it does a fucking great job. Whether it's the fucking alpha brain, neurologist approved, whether it's the fucking shroom tech, whether it's the fucking shroom bone that some people, you know, people email me. Some people get good results off the tea powder. Some people don't. Some people love to turn around fucking 180. I haven't heard one to complain about that,

you know, but the alpha brain, I hear some people get headaches or something like that. I got headaches in the beginning, but after you move it a couple of days, you fucking feel great. You know, I'll tell you anything you want to try. They got the kettle bells. They got those fucking buffalo strips now. They got digestive enzymes. They keep getting better and better and better. I don't need to fucking tell you. Go to on it.com and see what you're fucking like on there. Even if you order one thing of the shroom tech, use my code. What's the code church church, C H U R C H and get yourself 10% off 20% off. If you like it, you go back and you register for stay on it and you get 20% off right off the bat plus the fucking 10 and they mail it right to

your house the beginning of the month. You don't have to go nowhere. You don't have to reorder. You have to get back online, give you your credit card. That's how easy it is. Go to on it today because I tell you what, I'm 300 fucking pounds and for me to do what I just told you, I just fucking realized what I did. That was the shroom tech and I went home and I wasn't breathing heavy. I had a pee. I can't lie to you motherfuckers when I fucking breathe heavy. I got a fucking pee, but besides that, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? A little pee, but you live? Who gives a fuck? It's like those pills for asthma. They got your spray, your lungs and you might die. Why am I gonna die? Why would I want to fucking die for? I'm alive. I saw what I'm breathing a

little fucking heavy, but with your spray, I'm gonna fucking die. I sweetened that ad. What the fucking ad? You sit there and go, what the fuck did he just say? Exactly. Now, I'm not a huge stoner, but you always hear people say, oh, well weed smoke isn't as bad for you as cigarette smoke. Being off of it for 30 days, do you think? Like, does weed do something when you're pregnant? Smoke is smoke. Okay. Smoke is smoke, whether it's weed smoke, whether it's cigarette smoke, I feel less toxic. Okay. I feel like my lungs are less toxic. That's it. You know, I feel a little better. I'm sure it's not like I'm jumping over fences and I got tons of cardio. No, it's gonna take its time. Not to mention I'm 300 pounds. My body is, you know, carrying 100

fucking pounds more than what it should. So that alone weighs on your fucking cardio through time. I'll get better and better and better at it and I'll lose some weight and we'll make it happen. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, here we go. Uncle Ben, what's happening, buddy? How are you doing? Good, buddy. Thank you very much for waking up early and calling. So I got to ask you a question before we even get started. You're in Missoula right now. Yeah. Let me tell you something. I used to do county there 15 years ago at a place called The Eight Ballet. Oh, yeah. I'm not here anymore. That's not there anymore. How long have you lived in Missoula for? I went to grad school here a couple of years and moved away to New York.

I've been back now for about six years. You like it up there? I love it. It's fucking cold. It's the real deal. Well, you know, you get into a winter sport and it gives you a reason to look forward to it. What do you do up there? What do you like? You ski a lot? I do a lot of cross country skiing. Oh, yeah. I do my dog out there and you can kind of get way out there. Oh, you're fucking your legs are fucking solid. Yeah, I used to drive well in Seattle. I used to work in Missoula for Tribble and there was a couple Montana rooms he had. I went everywhere from Billings to I went everywhere in Montana. That's when you could do 150 in your car and nobody gave a fuck. Yeah. Yeah. And what did you go to grad school for? Writing. Great writing. You're a bad motherfucker. On the line,

my man Ben Fox. He's a writer for USA Today. Also from MMA Junkie. You know, I called George the other day and George who's also been on the show and I've been on MMA Junkie various times. I wanted him to break down the TR. We just started talking about the TRT thing and he mentioned your name. He said you've done a couple articles on it. Break it down for me. What's going on in UFC and how this is going to affect the TRT band? Well, what's going on now? We're actually in kind of a period of change because for the last few years, it was gaining an impopularity and a lot of different arguments came out about it. Some guys saying, Hey, you know, these guys have natural testosterone decisions. These guys like Joe Sonan, who was one of the first to kind of popularize it.

Pete Ward-Bellford was one. Dan Henderson is kind of the grandfather of it for a long time and saying, Hey, we need, you know, synthetic testosterone just to keep us within normal testosterone levels to keep us healthy and be able to go in there and compete. And the problem is synthetic testosterone for any other fighter who gets on it. It's a performance enhancer. It's a steroid. And when you take synthetic testosterone and administer it, you know, be a shot or a cream, whatever, administer it exogenously outside the body, it's at the performance enhancer. Every other fighter can't do it. The other guys, they go and they get a doctor's note and get permission from the commissions to do it. And so it naturally creates

some, some ethical questions. It's fair. It's fair for some guys to be able to do it and not other guys. And it's safe. It's not always safe for them, the guys using it. But, you know, they're not baseball players. They're not tennis players. They're hitting each other in the head. And if you let a guy, you know, take a performance enhancing substance that's going to make him faster and stronger, help him recover faster so he can train harder, and then he gets to go on a case and beat somebody up, you know, some bad stuff can happen there. So it was a debate that we had in sport for several years. And now finally the tide has turned against synthetic testosterone and PRT is to call it testosterone replacement therapy. And the dramatic commission, which is the kind

of commission that set the standard for the rest of the nation, they recently announced that they're not going to allow any more therapeutic use exemptions for testosterone. You know, they're not even going to look at the applications anymore. You just can't do it anymore. And that's already led a couple commissions to say they'll follow suit. The UFC has said that they will follow suit in the areas where it acts as its own regulator. So now, you know, a few months ago it was cool. Now it's not cool anymore. Now they're saying that like Vito Belford pulled out of his fight against Chris Weidman. Now he's going to go clean without it. That's what's going to happen. Now guys like him and Chail Sonnen and Dan Henderson who fucking punched, I guess, Sonnen won't be

smelling any farts lately, because he fucking hit him so hard in the nose, he broke his goddamn nose. And I love Shogun, he just caught him with a great shot. So guys like that will not be allowed to shoot testosterone anymore. Right. Well, I mean, and if they do do it, then they'll be cheating. They won't be allowed to do it legally. And that is one of the trickiest things about testosterone to begin with is if you, you know, say you didn't get a therapy to use exemption, you know, being back when they were being handed out, and you decided you wanted to use it, it's one of the harder substances to detect because it goes away so quickly. You get the shot and it dissipates in your system pretty quickly. Those levels come down in a hurry. So if you know how to manage

the levels, I mean, the normal tests they do for fighters is the TE ratio test, the testosterone to epitestosterone ratio. And in most states, if it's higher than four to one, you know, in four testosterone and for one epitestosterone, then they consider that a positive test. And for that, if a while ahead of the time, six to one, one of the things that the Balco people figured out when they were, you know, doping in baseball and other sports was that you, those tests don't differentiate between, you know, four to one and eight to two. And, you know, in 16 to 40, you can just keep raising the epitestosterone level along with the testosterone. And you can, you can beat those tests. Because the only test that reliably catches the presence of

synthetic testosterone is the carbon isotope ratio test, which most athletic commissions don't even do unless they catch you with the TE ratio test first. So I mean, it's not as if it's kind of completely dry testosterone out of the sport, but it will just drive it underground. It will make it so that it's like other steroids and that you want to use it, you have to, you know, admit to yourself that you're cheating. You gotta take a ride to Mexico. Yeah. You know, it's, you know, there's just so many, you look around, you go in Vegas now and you're right around in the cab and you're almost guaranteed to hear some radio ads for, you know, anti-aging clinic. You know, it's just becoming more culturally popular at the time. So it's not really

surprised that it would also become more popular with fighters who are always looking for an edge. You know, I was watching the 60 minute about the baseball player, Rodriguez Arad. And he was eating those fucking lozenges. Right. Did you see that? I don't know, you know, gloomy bears, whatever you want to call them, but they were testing them after the games. Is that why he wasn't testing positive? Cause they dissipate that fast? You know, I don't know if it does make that fast. I guess it does a lot depends on what form you take it in. He's the only guy who heard of it. You know, I had taken it that way, but I have heard of, uh, with several other fighters where, uh, you know, as long as you give yourself a little bit of time before, you know, you're going to be tested,

those levels can come down in a real hurry. Uh, and that's the thing about it too. I mean, that's why it was one of the preferred poor performance enhancers for a lot of guys was because it dissipates so quickly. And if you're a fighter, uh, and you know, you know, here's the date of the fight. Here's what I'm going to be tested. Uh, you can circle that on the calendar. You know, not only would get awesome, just will a lot of performance enhancing drugs. If you have anybody in your camp who knows what they're doing, it's hard to get caught that way. I mean, you have to screw it up. Uh, the only way, you know, drug testing really works is that this random unannounced, Hey, we call you up and we tell you, you got two hours to go get somewhere and get

tested. Otherwise, if you can plan on it, you ought to be able to beat it. It's amazing. I was on federal probation 20 years ago for drugs and, uh, it was amazing how people were beating them. They would adapt. You just adapt. You know, there was animals that would tie hot water bottles to their fucking backs, repeat them and a hose to their dick. You know, I opted for the vinegar thing, which never worked on cranberry juice. I mean, I remember doing like an eight ball and Sunday night drinking a whole pint of white vinegar. Do you guys have an idea what that's like? And then drinking cranberry juice. Oh my God. And then when I failed again, then I started getting cleaners and putting them in my dick pool cleaners. So when I piss,

it would fall in the thing and I just fuck up the whole machine. I put so many things on my dick. So I would beat the test and I would just break the machine. Then they come to my house and come get me. It was ridiculous. So I can't imagine what these fucking baseball players are doing with money. I was a fucking, you know. Yeah. At what point do you, do you hate putting stuff on your dick more than you like getting high? It seemed like it, do you not worth it at that place? But I could just imagine people because listen, when you, I had friends growing up in Jersey that were doing steroids and it all started out okay. But then it didn't take a genius to notice it was becoming an addiction to them in a way. You know, they were going every fucking three

times a week for shots when it's supposed to be every six weeks. And then you go on your cycle. These guys stayed on cycles. I had a friend that stayed on anivar cycle for fucking three or four years. You know, and you're like, dog, you got to give your liver and your kidneys a break. They didn't give a fuck. So in a way, a lot of people don't know it becomes something like that that the fighter in the back of his mind might also think, Hey, I need this to fight. Yeah. Well, and you know, you can understand, like you hear those ads, you know, the anti-aging clinic ads, and you can understand why it's attractive, not just to fighters, but just to men in general, because I mean, they go down this, this lift, you feel tired, you know, do you feel like you're

not as strong as used to be all this stuff. And it's like, I mean, who couldn't say yes to that? Who couldn't talk themselves into saying, Yes, yeah, I want, I want to have more energy, you know, I want to have more vitality like I imagined I did in my youth. You know, that kind of, especially for fighters, you know, they're training two or three times a day and then going, Man, I feel tired. Well, of course you feel tired. Anybody would feel tired. You go and do that stuff. But I think a lot of it comes from, we just live in this kind of culture where if you feel like anything is wrong, you know, what can I take for it? You know, you go to a doctor and tell them, you think you have low testosterone, and most doctors will tell you, lose weight, eat better,

get more sleep, that kind of stuff. But people don't want to hear that. I mean, if there's a shot you can take for it, they're going to want that shot. And so there's money to be made else of it. So it kind of seems like one of those things where, you know, it's a cure in search of a disease. And that's why, you know, the New York Times has done a lot of stuff on it recently with talking to doctors to just say, you know, low testosterone, for most people, it's not even a real thing. But, you know, you can just kind of talk to anybody into believing I, like I told you my story yesterday, I hang around a lot of younger guys and and they talk about all that shit. And I sit there because I've never believed in any of that

shit even growing up. I like I said, I grew up in the early 80s and I had friends that were into all that stuff. And the last time I saw one of them, he was telling me he was buying the shit that they take out of your spine out of dead people's fucking spine. It cost $10,000. This is to the level these guys were after I grew up with in Jersey, they were bodybuilders. So I never really, I don't like needles. God threw me a fucking blessing. Ben, I don't like needles at all. So they all started telling me about testosterone, get the cream. So they referred me to this one doctor, I went to the doctor, I took the blood test, yeah, yeah, yeah, against my physician, you know, I got a family doctor, I have sleep apnea. I wanted it not for any of the

above shit. I wanted it because they said it helps you lose weight, but I would exercise more and I would recover more. Well, I'll tell you what, man, it was giving me fucking anxiety. I was getting anxiety on planes. I was getting anxiety when I was working out. When I, when I'd be out of breath, I was getting horrible anxiety. I went to a psychotherapist. I didn't know what the fuck it was. And like I told you on the phone, I got a call that had a high red blood cell count and I was a little upset at first. And I got off it and I started lifting weights because all I was doing was jujitsu and kickboxing. I was just doing jujitsu and just going to the YMCA. And I tell you, man, I got off it and I joined the kettlebell class and I go three days a week, sometimes two,

if I have to leave town. And then I feel fucking better than I did on the testosterone. The only benefit from the testosterone was my dick was hard 24 fucking hours a day. If I was eating sushi, my dick would get hard. If I was eating a cheeseburger, my dick would get hard. And I'm not the type of guy that would cheat on my wife, but I did sit outside a few massage parlors a few times, just to wonder what it'd be like for a nice little Asian chick to fucking rub me down and lick my nuts. But I never had the balls bent. Like I never, and that was it. That's the only advantage I got that if I really wanted the only advantage I got that testosterone was if I was a 50 year old fucking dirty fuck. And I got myself like one of those 28 year old

holes that you just take them shopping. That's the only way I can fuck the shit out of them, drill them till their fucking bloods come out of their ears. That's the only advantage I had been. Besides, I didn't really feel the thing. And right two weeks after that was when the explosion started on TV for testosterone, sue your doctor, you know, fucking blood clots, like two weeks after that. So you know what they did me a fucking favor. Well, you know, but that's like even just saying that they had the only thing I noticed from it was, you know, my dick started all the time. I mean, look at how many ads you see for, you know, erectile dysfunction pills. I mean, that alone is going to get a lot of people to think like, okay, I'll find out for that.

But then, you know, like you say, now that a lot of doctors are being sued, they think it's linked to heart attacks or strokes. And if you don't really know what happens from you doing some testosterone for years, and that is the problem too, you start doing it. And once you get on it, it's hard to get up because your body is going to stop producing its own testosterone once you're injecting them to testosterone regularly. So, I mean, you kind of block people into this cycle of doing it without really knowing where it's going to lead or where it's going to end. Now, and that's, you know, for regular people, I mean, I think that those are just personal concerns. Everybody has to answer for themselves is, you know, what's worth it? You know, what do

you, what do you, is what you get out of the worth of these risks and the unknown that go along with it. For professional fighters, I think it's a different situation because it's, it's not just about you. It's also about the landscape of the sport, because if you're getting on testosterone, and I got to fight you in six weeks, man, I'm going to think I got to have something, right? This guy's going to go in there, you know, he's injecting this stuff and getting jacked up and going and working out and recovering faster than I will. I got to do something because otherwise he's going to beat me up and take my money. And it creates basically this kind of arms race in the sport where everybody's looking for something better, some, some other kind of edge that they

can get on. And then the guys who don't even want to do it, the guys who don't are worried about the risk to their health, but this kind of stuff. In order just to stay in the sport, they feel like they've got to do it. Like, I think that's the really pernicious part that sneaks in there that people don't think about. Was the GSP situation a little bit about TRT? Is this what he was saying? Do you believe he was always clean from testosterone? He didn't specify TRT. He kind of just said that drug testing in general in the sport was, was lacking. And he's right about that. I mean, I don't, you can't really disagree with him on that. You know, like he said before, that anybody who knows, here's what I'm going to be tested, it's really easy to beat that test. And

the testing is not comprehensive enough what they're testing for. So he's right that the testing in MMA, right now, it allows people to cheat and get away with it if they're doing it smart. So, you know, I can understand him bringing that issue up now. It did seem like he, you know, he said that he wished that he had done it sooner and done a little more for it. And I can understand him feeling that way now. But I also think, you know, if he wants to get behind it now, whether he's in the sport or just outside of it, whatever, I think he should because I think he's the kind of guy who he's respected enough. He's got enough money that he's got some independence from the UFC. He doesn't have to worry about them, you know, bashing him or barring him from ever

returning. You know, he can do it. He can be that guy that could kind of push for this and put some pressure on the UFC and improve the sport for everybody, you know, and and I'm glad to see him do it. I hope he sticks with it. Now, it was really when he started talking about I read a few articles and whatnot. And it really made me think how a champion, you know, I mean, he's a real champion, the guy. I don't know what happened in the last couple of years or what happened with this fight or up to it. But that he was so concerned about it, which gave me, you know, let me know that maybe he wasn't doing anything at all. You know, yeah, it makes you think that way. And you know, it's stuff that you can always throw around the the accusation itself. And, you know, even a

guy who's never tested positive for anything like him, you know, the Lance Armstrong situation, I think kind of disabused a lot of those notions that hey, if you just pile up enough clean drug tests that you must be clean, I mean, you can you can beat those forever. So it becomes a thing for pro athlete. It's like the politics. You know, like, I mean, as soon as you hear the rumor of it, you're ready to believe it just because it happened so often. So, you know, the fact that he is so passionate about it now, I think is the thing that is most likely to make people think that he is clean and was always clean. Because otherwise, you know, why would you go out of your way to to make such an issue? Now, how will this change the landscape of the sport in the next year? So

what do you think? Because I was thinking about it before I asked you, what do you think about it? Yeah, I think that what to do mainly is the guys who are on it now, that's a chill stone and the Torbell Fort, you know, Dan Henderson, it's a bad deal for those guys, because for a while, the UFC was cool that the athletic commissions were cool with it, everybody, you know, kind of kind of had their back there. And now they kind of decided very suddenly, you know what, no, we're not anymore, it's politically inconvenient for them, they're taking too much pressure, too much heat for it. So they want to distance themselves from it. And it leaves these guys holding the bag. I mean, for the Torbell Fort and chill stone and, you know, especially for the Torbell Fort, because

he got right there to the title shot, he got to the precipice there. And now they're telling them, okay, you have to find a way to do it out this really powerful chemical that may have shut off your body's natural ability to produce the same thing. That's not going to be easy to deal with, and different people, you know, are probably going to deal with it differently. But now he has to figure out how his body's going to react and how he's going to move forward from that. You know, it might just be a matter of he takes six months and gets himself back to normal, it might take a year, I mean, who knows, and it's also a perception problem. Because if he goes in there, and he does officially get his title shot and say, because Wyman is still the champion, he fights

Chris Wyman and he loses something that could, you know, happen to you regardless of what you're wrong, because Chris Wyman is just really damn good. But if he goes in there and he loses, of course, people are going to say, you know, with the TRT all along, the TRT makes you who you are, without it, you're nothing. You know, without it, you can deserve to be here even. And that's probably going to be unfair. But I mean, that's kind of the bargain that these guys struck without really realizing and how it's thinking far enough ahead to think what's going to happen when all these agencies and organizations pull out of this, and I get branded as, you know, the face of TRT, and that's kind of what has to be torn. You know, it's, it's, how old have you been? I don't mean

to pry in your personal life. I'm 34, you know, I'm 51. It's, it's amazing how this issue has popped in in all sports, except maybe basketball, the last 15 years, you know, it started with baseball and heavy. And now it's into MMA, you know, and it's amazing how I remember being a kid and you never heard about this type of stuff. Yeah, you know, when you, well, that is something I think people bring up is, Hey, would it people do, you know, what would watching Marciano do if you thought he had low testosterone, you know, he'd deal with it. You eat a fucking steak. You eat a fucking steak and you, and you bang one out and you know, what the fuck did you do? What the fuck did you do in the fifties? I mean, you look at guys like Sergio leave and those guys, maybe

they were doing like Decker, the roblin or no, the one from Germany. What's the one that boasts you up the fucking pill, D ball, Diana ball or something like that. Maybe the Germans had something back then. I don't know the evolution of, but it wasn't to the point. What did, what had been, remember when I was a kid, it was Ben Wieder. That was his name. He supplied supplements in a muscle fitness magazine. I think it was even his magazine, but yeah, you're right. What would Rocky Marciano did if he found out he had low testosterone? He eats spaghetti and meatballs. Right. I mean, I think the thing with, especially with sports is like a lot of people will say, Hey, just take away the testing altogether. Let them all do whatever they want. And let's see,

that'll create some kind of new level playing field in a way that's above the current one. And then just let them sort each other out. And the problem is, I think it was in the Atlantic, a philosopher there made a really good argument about that where he talked about with the Olympics where, remember a couple of Olympics ago when all the swimmers had those suits and it was like these special suits that they were getting made and they're really expensive and you could only using a certain number of times, but they started just shattering records. And then pretty soon, it was like, okay, if you want to compete at all, you got to have one of those suits. It doesn't matter if you're the best in the world. The other guys who are almost the best in the

world have the suits. They're going to kill you. You got to get the suit to get in there. And eventually it becomes, you know, not really the point and the point of the whole swimming competition was to see who the best individual swimmer was. If the point was to see how fast can you get from one end of the pool together, you'd use a boat. You'd use a jet ski. You wouldn't even be bothering swimming. It's not the point. The same thing with fighting. We want to see who the best fighter is, not who has the best lab at home, who has the best chemistry set. And it's especially concerning because, hey, you lose a swimming race, fine. You lost, you know, you're sad, whatever. You lose a fight, you might have brain damage. Especially these guys who are

saying, hey, I might have a low testosterone as a result of getting hit in the head. Well, then you definitely shouldn't be injecting testosterone so you can get hit in the head more. And those are real problems that people are going to face. And it's a lot worse than in other sports. I mean, somebody can get really hurt here, somebody can get killed. And, I mean, MMA is already fairly new and sometimes on shaky political ground, depending on where you go and what the climate is. Imagine if somebody gets killed while somebody else is using testosterone with, you know, official permission from the organization, it will be a disaster. You know, do you have a question? Well, not about the TRT. I had a question about the

fighter who got spanned yesterday for something he did like three or four years ago. So keep talking about this. Right. Oh, a little joke. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I understand it's terrible to hit your wife, but he did it three or four years ago. It was a while ago. I was surprised to see that they took him out for something he did that long ago. You know, I think some of that might have been like, what did he tell the UFC about it? Oh, so he hit it? Okay. Well, I think that was from what I've read, you know, I haven't talked to him about it or talked to the UFC about it yet, but from what I've read, you know, he told them, hey, I have, you know, a misdemeanor assault in my record, but this was in the military. You know, he was kicked out of the Air Force for it

and it was kind of dealt with by the military and it didn't seem like he's let them know all, you know, the full extent of the case there. And so, you know, it's one thing if you tell the UFC, hey, you're a fighter with a misdemeanor assault on your record, there's a lot of that, you know, and there's not, there's even, you know, two fighters in the UFC who have domestic violence stuff in their past. I think maybe one of the things that the UFC is reacting to was they had kind of pumped this guy up based on his military service a little bit, because then this comes out that he was kicked out of the military for, for beating his wife and it comes out, you know, just right before the fight and I feel forced into a corner where

they got to do something. I mean, I think you've raised an interesting issue where, hey, how long ago did it have to be? Do we, do you do something wrong once? Do we punish you for it for the rest of your life? At the same time, you know, you go beating up your ex-wife and hitting on the head with a knife handle, that's pretty bad. Especially if you want to try and then turn around and make a living at the fire of all things. I mean, those are tough questions to answer, I agree. We have, we live in a corporate world, okay, which changes the rules on a lot of things. It's not, it doesn't, it also doesn't force you to give me an answer. You know, in 1994, I was in Denver and some girl ran up to me and jumped, like girls jump to say hello and I went

to grab her and three days later, somebody said I grabbed her ass and I got thrown out of a comedy club for sexual harassment. You know me, I don't, I'm gonna grab your ass, I'll fucking ask you. And if I'm gonna grab you, I'm not gonna waste my new grass, I'm gonna grab that fucking monkey and squeeze that motherfucking to your top. I'm not a fucking sexual predator, but because of that, I have sexual harassment. I lived my life, you know, if somebody would have asked me, I'd tell them the fucking truth and I'd tell them just how I told you. The comedy works, had a qualm the next day and let me go. No matter if the girl was a stripper, no matter if she was a freak, that wasn't the consequences. It was plain and simple, I grabbed the girl's ass when

she jumped on me. I learned to live with it, did me a favor, got me out of Denver and made me who I am today, made me work harder. So every, you know, every situation has a different story, you know, I have families, I go get a job and it comes up 30 years ago, you took the boss in the back and said, listen, I stabbed a bitch a couple of years ago, we got a problem here. No, come here for 30 days, sell some cars and we'll forget all the fuck about it. Yeah, that's not the issue anymore. And I'm not saying he shouldn't like, I mean, he beat up his wife with a knife handle, it's terrible. But it's just when I saw the article, I was like, how did like, it just seems like it's a fighting organization. So anything negative with fighting, they probably just had to

throw him out. We just had a situation a few weeks ago with Diego Alves, Diego, one of the Theogos, correct? Ben, Diego Silva. I don't mean to disrespect any Theogos out there. Diego Silva. So I think the UFC is covering themselves now a couple of years ago, somebody tweeted a racial slur or something, a gay slur. Remember, Ben, and there was a problem then also. I forget who it was. So the UFC works very hard to have an image. And as a fighter, you got to act as a professional, you know, and that's in anything. So but on the other hand, I also saw Dana White with what's the fucking golf player that the black guy that was cheating on his wife Tiger Woods had on. So I know that Dana White believes in second chances.

Yeah, it's just what they do, I guess. It's just a corporation. Do you feel the same way, Ben? Well, yeah, well, I mean, I think the UFC has to be or they feel like, especially that they have to be really careful about that stuff. Because, you know, like you said, an NFL player beats his wife and, you know, depending on who he is and the circumstances, and maybe it'll be in the news a couple of days and then, you know, he'll be back at practice in a week or two. And do you see the I think they know that they're already, you know, the professional fighting organization, people already kind of look at it like it's a bunch of tattooed skinheads, you know, kicking each other in the balls or that that impression is still out there among, you know,

side enforcement of the population. They have to deal with that. So I think especially, you know, the UFC has female fighters that have a lot of female fans. And so they should take stuff like I don't have to give women very seriously, you know, they should send a message that they're not okay with that kind of stuff. I mean, the question of how long does the guy need to be punished? Can he ever become a professional fighter after something like that? I mean, that is a tough one. I mean, I did a story a couple of years ago on a guy, Dan McGowan, who he served time for a man flotter, you know, got enough street fighting. He was pretty good in the street fight with some kid. The guy died. He did a few years in prison and

then got out and tried to become a professional fighter. And as soon as people found out about that aspect of his past, you know, he basically got pretty much run out of the sport because of it. And it was that same kind of thing, you know, how long should your past follow you? How long do we say for each crime? Does it follow you? I mean, you look around at the UFC event, you see, Mike Tyson, and that's like our culture. It's like, okay, we're cool with Mike Tyson now. Whatever he did, you know, we're fine with it. And it seems like that kind of stuff, you never guess what the rules are going to be. You know, some people, it works one way for some people, it seems to work another way. And I think every person has decided kind of how they feel

about that stuff. It's fucking crazy. It really is crazy. Now, how long have you been doing the articles on TRT? Because he says you've been funneled for a while. For a couple of years, probably two or three years. Yeah. I mean, that's, I think after, after Chilsonin's first fight with Anderson Silva, when it kind of entered the mainstream consciousness for MMA fans, you know, he tested positive for elevated testosterone and made that argument that he needed it, that he had hypodonatism, that he needed testosterone. And then, you know, since then, it seems to have become a lot more public. So, from ever since then, you know, I've been talking to endocrinologists and doctors and regulators, and a lot of people trying to

figure out what to do about it. How do you feel? Do you feel this will help the sport? Do you feel this will hinder it? Well, I feel like getting rid of it helps the sport, because I know a lot of guys who, you know, I've talked to a lot of fighters, even guys who retired fairly recently, said this is one of the reasons I retire, is because these guys are out there on that stuff, and I don't want to get on it. I feel like that's the way I would have to get on it if I wanted to compete. And I think, you know, that definitely exists. You know, I played, you know, one year of color football at a small college, where everybody was on steroids, and you knew that, hey, if you want to play on this team, and you're not way too good to be at the small

college to begin with, then you'll probably have to get on it, because everybody else is. And you either make the choice to do that, or you go do something else, and I did something else. So, I understand how those guys come to that conclusion. I think, though, that that's only a start. It's only getting rid of the thing that people had permission to cheat. Now, you've got to increase the drug testing, and make the drug testing so that you're actually going to catch the guys who are doing it without permission, because there's a lot more of those guys. To guarantee you, there's a lot more people doing synthetic testosterone than the guys who had the permission for it. Because when you go, and you've got that paperwork to get permission

to do it, you put the microscope on yourself. Everybody knows what you're doing and watching you. It'd be a lot easier to do it underground, and make sure that you're doing it so that you don't get caught. And it's probably not that hard to avoid getting caught. But that would be the next step, is that if we want to be in sports, and we have to have real drug testing, we don't have it right now. It's funny how if it's not testosterone, they'll find something else. I both know that they'll find something else, and it's a shame that they'll go underground. I read a statement that Joe Sonnen says that he might have to retire, if he doesn't use it. And I don't understand why. I don't get it. If you're a fighter,

you're a fucking fighter. I mean, you know, these guys in boxing lied about their ages. Who's the guy, Mama Ali, knocked out, Sonny Liston, and 64 or something. People said that guy was walking around at 45. I don't think that was fucking to start. I don't even know. But why would he quit? It puts those guys in a spot, right, where they have to say, look, I need this to compete. But then if they're winning and they're having a lot of success, like the tour was, they also want to turn around and say, but the testosterone has nothing to do with it. And it can't be both those things. It can't be something where I absolutely have to have it. I have this medical need and I'll be at a severe, like, unovercomable disadvantage if you don't let me have it. But then when I have

success, it was all me. Don't even, you know, look at the man behind the curtain there. It can't be both those things. It's fucking amazing. Ben, I want to thank you for calling in. Where can the listeners find you at? They can find me on MMAJunkie.com with where was my article so ago. Also, you know, sometimes the print edition of USA Today. And you can find me on Twitter at then. And you just cover MMA or you cover your bad motherfucker. That's why I love it. One of the things I get rid of Ariyani now that we have, what's the name? You know, you look at those flower girls, whatever, those those ring girls, and you know, their days are numbered. Once Rhonda Rousey, those days are numbered.

What's up? You going to ask him something? Well, Ben, I was just interested, just a little bit off topic. As a writer, for someone who you see right for MMAJunkie and sometimes you get into the print, I used to work in TV and I see that the way that it's changing. So I'm interested. Now I'm doing a podcast and it's new, but it's, it seems like more people are going to different mediums. How like, how are you adapting with writing and going from like less print to more online to like, when you, when you say it, you should probably say, well, I'd prefer to have more stuff in USA today, but maybe, maybe MMAJunkie now has a higher readership than they do. So it's like, what, how is that affecting what you're doing? Yeah, you know, it does. And, you know,

you, there are a lot more avenues for people like I also do a podcast that you, uh, the co-man of that podcast that I do once a week with Chad Dennis, who's a writer for Bleach Report. And, uh, it's one of those things where it gives you a lot more opportunities to kind of get out and do it yourself rather than having somebody give you the opportunity and, you know, put you in the paper and that kind of thing. And while it's cool, you know, I mean, it's cool to be on a paper. My parents get a big kick out of it and they can go and buy the paper and see it. But then it's also one of those things where, you know, if you have a story on page 60 of the sports page in USA Today, you know, it's a huge circulating paper in the United States, but you don't necessarily

how many people actually read your article and are going to remember it. And even if you remember, you know, it's not like if they read you on the internet, not only can you see exactly how many people read your article, they also can take action right there. Okay. This guy's on Twitter. They go find out. I mean, it's way easier for the readers to connect with you immediately and to remember you and to be able to generate a following that way. And it's also easier for, like, a lot of people sometimes will send me emails and ask, like, you know, how do I kind of get started with sports writing? And now it's easy. I mean, you just start your own website, start writing for it. And if you're any good, you know, eventually somebody will see it, hopefully, before it was,

you know, you need the editor at some newspaper to give you a chance and hire you on. So I mean, I think there's a lot more opportunity now because there's opportunity for everyone a little harder to stand out. You know, there's a lot more people kind of shouting into the void there. So it forces you to kind of hone your skill and hone your craft so that you stand out. Okay. And and do you feel is there a stigma for online writers? Like when you go to the events, do the people for ESPN or a place like that, do they do they look down on you? Or is it so prevalent now that they're almost everyone there works for an online site? You know, I think either used to be that more. I think now that's kind of gone away because I don't think there's really anybody

that you see at USC events who doesn't do some online stuff. And that's kind of especially with NMA, because the fan base is so plugged into, you know, it's a younger fan base. And the internet is a big part of what kind of helped NMA through that dark period when, you know, couldn't get on pay-per-view and didn't have any big TV deals, and everybody was going to websites to figure out what was going on and read about events. So and I think that now everybody just expects that, you know, you're going to write for the internet before it used to be out of your blogger in their mom's basement, you know, and now it's definitely there's a definitely a different perception, you know, now it seems more like newspapers are, you know, that some 55 year old

dude sitting there on a typewriter right for the newspaper every day. It's amazing how a young man today that's interested in writing who gets out of college can't get a fucking job. You're right, could sit in his house, go to one of those wiki pages, build a website, write on it, and after six months, if he's any good, he'll get a little sponsor on that. People start reading this shit. He can make t-shirts up. He can put a podcast together and you're one man fucking operation out of your basement. I think it's more like merit based then it's not just like who do you know and did you get the right degree from the right place. It's you know, do people want to read your shit and then that's kind of what helps figure it out

is like you put it up there and you also you know if you put it up there and you have somewhere to write every day, you're gonna get better. So I think it's good for everybody that way. It just forces everybody to find a way to get noticed because the field gets a lot more crowded that way. I think that there's not enough good writers for MMA right now. It's so new that people still get into the genre on it. I mean anybody who would get into writing for MMA right now, if they really paid attention, if they were good, they would get noticed quickly I think. That's just what I think too. And I think that there's plenty of guys who have done that. You know guys, I think like my podcast host Chad Dundas, he's a really good writer and I think

MMA has been a good way for a lot of people to see that. Chuck Mindenhall at www.Erinracefighting.com is a good writer. You know I think you see a lot more of that happening now. I think it used to be before but it was just you know whoever could be at the events regardless of whether they could write a good sentence or not, you know they're gonna be the guy we rely on. And now that it's been around a little bit longer and gotten some good writers into it, now we're actually seeing you know more stories being done, some real craft in there. So I think it's on an upward trajectory. You're right man. Well thank you my brother. I appreciate you calling on an early Monday morning. Keep warm up there in Missoula. If you find out what the

ball in is, say hello. Thank you very much for calling man. Have a great week. That was fucking great. Yeah. Because I didn't know much about the TRT and how it worked. I'll tell you something that was bothering me lately and I'm not saying this because I really don't know the stories bro. There was a big window in my life where I didn't pay attention. I was too busy with comedy, you know. I was busy with comedy and child support. That was it from 90 to fucking 2005, 2004. I was focused on one fucking thing so I missed a lot. And I was thinking about this because I read a little bit about what he had. Okay. So he's got a wife. Yeah. A wife adopts a kid. One day he just starts dating a fucking kid. Nobody says a fucking word. He makes great movies.

Well, you imagine that. Yeah. I mean, and it's a it's I don't know the whole story because I was too young. But from what I've heard, it's like she the wife adopted it and maybe even before they were married or something. And it's they were hanging out and she was old enough or 17 or 18. And then when they broke up, they got together. It's creepy. But it's just sickest thing I've ever heard. And I never digested it. And I asked my wife at lunch about three weeks at a time in the story. And when she told me and let me know how fucking hypocritical, especially the people are out here. Yeah. Because you forgive everything if he puts you in a fucking movie. Yeah. And me, I don't give a fuck. I'm just saying the situation is garbage. I mean, it's just somebody else would be screaming

to high heavens. Yeah. And people do scream from time to time. Like I read little articles. Well, they just had that that one actress, I forget her name, who was his daughter to who he she said abused her. He abused her a few weeks a month or two ago. I forget the actress's name. But I mean, it's I guess it's kind of like the Michael jelly. We're doing the podcast in the 90s. But it's kind of like the Michael Jackson thing. I mean, he would not there are 18 kids who said he he they touched him or he touched them. Some of them have to be telling the truth. It's like, I mean, it's that guy. I mean, Woody Allen's made great movies, but he's a creepy old he's a creepy old Jew. I mean, I don't know. He looks Asian girls. It's really is crazy. Let me give some

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You had this fucking view of the world. That's not a bad view. It's really who the fuck you are. But as you get older, you taint it and you throw shit at it and negativity and fucking, you listen to the news and they talk about gym teachers that fuck kids up the ass. And it fucks you up. You don't want that in your mind. Right. You know, and it's crazy how as you get older, the more things you try to quit. I remember that as a kid. What do you want to quit? No, nothing now, but I'm saying like when I was a kid, like when you're not the best at something, like I quit soccer and baseball and I did Taekwondo for like eight or 10 years. I wasn't ever the best at anything.

But I got up until a red belt and I should have waited. I should have waited for one more year. I probably got black belt sidekicks for Jesus. I had my favorite trophy was I in first grade. I won a tournament. Was it either for forms or for fighting? It was probably forms. If I had to guess and when I got it, I remember I weighed in. I was 45 pounds and it was the trophy was as tall as me. It was I just throw it away with my mom because she just she couldn't watch. She's going to carry a trophy for my first grade, but it was a I did it for years. I did it for years. Trophies. I'm proud. I am basketball trophies and karate trophies. I had a little trophy while I had them all stacked up. I had a little basketball fucking trophy and I still remember one time I

scored 31 points. I had a little article that said Coco Diaz drilled home, drilled home. You understand me? When was the last time you drilled home? The motherfucker drilled them home. Not like that. You should give up. Why haven't you given me a trophy? I feel like adults should get trophies. How happy would you be if I came in and handed you a trophy of $100 bill? Here you go. I'd fucking No, you would. You would. But you look at it and you take it home. You put me with this. Are you fucking crazy? I don't want no fucking trophies. All right, let's give them a trophy of hummus. I'll take it. Discussed. I'm gonna be a four live there this week. Thursday, Friday, Saturday with my main man, Edwin San Juan. That's a good show. Ricky boom boom

crews direct and should haven't seen Ricky used to live up there when one night I took him to some house to see some chicks. Second guy's dick. The next week with the Tempe Improv myself and the other Jew fucking Ari Shafi. I was that one for you. He's probably his way down driver right now from San Jose. Can you believe they drove? They're like fucking Puerto Ricans on the fourth. Oh, I can't believe it. I really can't. You know, I believe in saving time and energy and shit. This fucking guy, he's out there driving across country. They want to stop at some fucking place. Hmm. And that's it. We got a great podcast on Wednesday. I'll be here for a lot of

Dale. I'm happy that this guy called in today from the TRT and shit like that because I had Bredici call in. So I wanted to have both perspectives. Yeah. I talked to Bredici the other day. I'm happy I'm not on the testosterone. I'm doing a lot better. My breathing is doing better. I'm a lot fucking happier. So it helped out. Yes. Listen, man, you could put whatever the fuck you want. I always felt this way. I'm going to do TRT or steroids because I'm doing something professional. I'm making six figures in the lab and motherfuckers to the floor or picking them up. I'm not going to do steroids to walk around to show people what to do what to get a tattoo on my arm like some fucking moron and cut my shirts off and have big arms in the fat fucking stomach.

What the fuck is wrong with people, Lee? Just be yourself. Who gives a fuck? Fucking momos. Fucking momos. Fucking momos. Have a great day. Stay black. I love you guys. The church of what's happening now. Always, always. Oh, and for people who have been asking, I'm going to try to do a YouTube page. They kept taking it down because of the music. So what I'll do is, is I'm going to cut the both ends of the music off so you might miss a little bit of the intro, but I get hit up every day for this YouTube page and YouTube keep if it has any music and I think you've taken it down for us because we have a lot of subscribers. So I'm going to try to put it up. So I understand that. Listen to the other podcasts we do and I have a

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