Uncle Joey's Joint with Joey Diaz - #259 - "Big" John McCarthy, Joey Diaz, and Lee Syatt

Episode Date: February 23, 2015

"Big" John McCarthy, MMA Referee and 23 year veteran LAPD Officer Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt live in studio This podcast is brought to you by:  Onnit.com. Use Promo code CHURCH for a 10% discount at checkout. Iron Dragon TV. A New Roku channel with all the best martial arts films. Use Code word joey for two free rentals. HITecigs.com For a better tasting, longer lasting e cig go to HITecigs.com. Use Promo code joeyschurch for a 20% discount Naileditlife.com - Get 20% off a vapor pen by using code word joeydiaz. Music:  Early In The Morning - The Gap Band I Wanna Be Around - Tony Bennet Recorded on 02/22/2015

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Kick this motherfucker up baby. It's Monday, oh it's Sunday. February 22nd, I think it's Julius Irving's birthday today. Oh shit, let's make this happen. Wiggle Funk with Joey baby. Oh shit. Oh shit. Big John McCartney's in the house.

We're a month away from St. Patty's day and shit. Oh, uh oh. The church of what's happening now baby. Sunday edition. It's the Catholics today, except for Lee. He's a pseudo-Catholic and shit. What's going on baby? I'm Jewish, it's basically Catholic.

No it's not. What's the difference? You don't have the 12 stations of the cross. We have Passover. No, it's not the same, all right, tell this fucking guy. They started it. They started it, they started the 12 stations of the cross. It's basically you and shit.

That's how you know when you're Catholic. I told my wife, my wife's like, well I don't understand, I go listen. When you go to church and you look at the 12 stations of the cross, if you're fucking moved, you're a Catholic. If it brings the TTI, you're a Catholic. If not, it ain't gonna work out for you.

Go across the street and hang out with the Protestants or whatever they're cracking. Whatever they're doing, or the Jews, whatever you want to do. That's the thing. My wife didn't even know what the 12 stations of the cross are. When you go to a really powerful church and you look at Jesus up there and then you look around

and you see the, it's when Pontius Pilate come get some, then he punches them, they break down the beaten into 12 rounds. Don't they? Yeah they do. And they sure don't get handed. So that's the 12 stations of the cross for you non-fucking Catholics out there.

My main man in the house today, big John McCarthy. What is up, brother? What's up, beautiful? Dude, thank you for having me, man. Oh my God, we've been dying to have you. How'd you get the weekend off from Brazil? You know what? I just got lucky.

Everyone thinks it's like, oh man, how come you don't go down to Brazil? Cause it's a long fricking flight and you're on that plane and then you gotta come right back and it's like, everyone thinks you're on vacation there. It's like, no, you get to go to an airport, fly on the plane to Brazil, go to a hotel,

get to an arena, go from the arena back to the airport, get on a plane, go back. What's the travel time from LA to Brazil? About 14 hours. That's how we do it. Oh, it is long. Plus getting through customs. That's only the time in the air.

Oh yeah, and what's the breakdown? There's two flights or just two flights? Usually, yeah, it's usually either go to Miami or to Houston. Okay, that's... So you're from there down to Rio or Sao Paulo, depending on where you're going, but it's, you know, after being on a flight, it's usually like four hours to, you know,

Houston or Miami is that four hour part and then you get there a little bit in between and then about a 10 hour down to, you know, Brazil. Long flight. You got up and walk around. I don't fly internationally. I just don't. I don't think I'd have the patience.

I started making it on the trip to New York and back. Like I'm really good because you bring the iPod, you bring the computer, you bring a book, you bring a pencil, you bring a piece of paper. Hopefully they have a movie, but that 14 hour stuff, I don't know how people do it sitting there. I've only done it once to Israel and it was only like 12 hours, 11 hours.

It's tough. Especially like an international flight when odors start popping up and shit. That's what'll kill me. Some motherfucker brings hummus on the flight. Somebody takes their shoes off. You're on that motherfucker 10 hours and you feel like going up to the person

with the shoes off and going dog, you got to put those fucking dogs back on. Isn't that with John Candy tell Steve Martin on planes, trains and all the wheels and he takes his shoes off and he goes, whoop, my dogs run fire. And then if you're sitting in coach, like I was sitting in coach, I didn't sit first class.

It's the same thing. It sucks everywhere. That's where you're at, man. Look at first class, business class, it's all right. You can get all the movies and stuff. You can stretch out. You're always in coach. You're always in coach.

And you're a big dude. It's not like you're like. It sucks. It's horrible. Especially if you, at least United has got economy plus. So it gives you that little extra bit so my knees aren't getting crushed by somebody most of the time.

But coach is horrible. But they give you the economy plus but then they put handles on it. Oh yeah. So if you're sitting there by yourself I gotta sit like a fucking kid in a baby seat. Take the handles off. So you gave me the six extra inches.

United's great. United's got a good deal. United will give you extra leg room package mixed with the security package for 60 bucks. So you could get a first class security to go through first class instead of going through coach. So they combine it. It's like 69 bucks for the first class

and the extra leg room. It's not bad. That's the whole thing about flying. It's waiting in the line. That's the whole thing about flying. It's not anything else that bothers me. I already have it in my head. I'm on a flight.

I'm doomed. For people who fly once or twice a year, like I do, it's not that big of a deal. But for you guys, you're flying once or twice a week. That's hours a week that you're losing. I could do it every weekend. And it's weird when I have to do it and not pick up a check.

That blows for me. Like if I have to do something on a personal level like go to New Jersey just to see family, that blows. That's unimaginable to be getting on a plane and not getting a paycheck. It's unimaginable to me. So when people go, come visit, fuck you. I gotta do comedy there.

If not, it doesn't pan out for me because I can't just sit on that plane and just for no reason. Vacations, I don't have vacations. When I stay here and go to Santa Barbara and go to that place that has a lasagna with the meatball in the middle, have you gone there, Mrs. McCartney?

Fucking tremendous, you understand me? I like to take a picture. Dude, in fact, give me my phone real quick. I take pictures of the people that I end up having to sit next to in coach on these long flights. And some of them are classic, man. Here, I gotta show you one. That's hysterical.

Dude, they're fricking awesome. My friend, Sebastian, goes through the airports and takes pictures of people and they have their feet up with no socks on and slippers. And he goes, aren't you embarrassed? He puts little captions on them. I would be, I don't know how the fuck people do it. No, the victims and coach, and all the way in the back,

like in Expedia, when you gotta sit in the back, like you got a good price, but they put you in the back with people with handcuffs on. Oh, yeah, I love those. Or they stick you right next to the toilet. Oh, God, that's horrible. Yeah, you're just next to the toilet for only like 10 hours. It's just, you know, one of the most amazing things.

They just put me next to a toilet, but the whole row was empty. So I sacrificed, that's not bad. The whole row was empty, I might even sit next to the toilet for a while. Yeah, it's not bad, because I can't sit inside no more. I get too much anxiety, especially up in the air, my nose clogs up.

Oh, really? So I can't breathe, so if I'm sitting inside, I start panicking, I get panic attacks. So I gotta sit on the outside. So last time I flew, they had me somewhere, they had me in a good seat, but inside. And I go, don't you have anything outside? She goes, we have the last row in the plane, all to you.

I go, fuck it, book it, bitch. I sat there all the way from Miami in the back, like a doctor, listen to music, scratching my fucking feet and everything. Did you find this smoking Joe Frasier? I'm seeing my granddaughter. Getting nothing in the pictures of the ugly people. It's, I've just, listen, flying blows.

It does. Flying really sucks for the American consumer. The person who doesn't know flying is fucking shocking, because flying used to be something that was fun. You look forward to it, you got, you know, when I was a kid, I used to fly out here from Jersey. My mom would put me on a plane by myself to come out here when I was eight, nine and 10 to see my uncle,

by myself to Miami too, fuck it. And that's, even if you didn't get a first class ticket, and you flew by yourself, they put you in first class, because you were a kid and they'd give you wings and a fucking captain's hat. That's cool. And first class had perfumes in the bathroom and creams. It's not like that no more.

It's, there was a time when on a plane, there was a fucking piano. Right, yeah. And you could play the fucking piano on the plane. People would play the piano upstairs. Remember, if you watch Midnight Express, it's a two-floored fucking plane. They don't have those no more.

All the planes used to be two floors. So upstairs was like a little first class with a guy playing the piano with a pig eating an apple. I swear to fucking God. I swear to God. Nobody remembers that shit. Watch Midnight Express. He takes them upstairs.

No, we've been on the two. Yeah, on the two-seater. But there's no plane. There's no more, no more of that shit. Now, Big John, what did you start first? Referring or being a police officer? Oh, as a police officer. I became a police officer back in 1985.

How old were you? I was 22. And what made you, were you coming from a family of cops? Yeah, my dad was a police officer on LA. Yeah, it was funny because I was bouncing. I was doing a lot of bouncing. And I was just,

at the time you think you're invincible and you do all kinds of stupid stuff. And I was getting in trouble. And my dad looked at me and he said, you better figure out what in the hell you're gonna do in life because you're gonna do one of two things. You're gonna end up being a cop

where you're putting people in jail or you're gonna end up being in jail. So figure out which one's better for you. And I looked at him like, you're an idiot. You don't know what you're talking about. No, he knew. So, you know, I met my wife of 30 years back then and ended up figuring, you know,

I need to get a job where I can freaking pay for things and stuff. And so I started trying to be a police officer and ended up working out. I got on LAPD. That was where my dad was at. He had just retired and I was on it for 23 years. And were you a lieutenant at the end?

Hell no, man. I was, the best, my favorite line that I would tell everybody is, you know, they would all sit there and say, you know, you need to promote, you need to promote, you need to do this. And I said, you know, the best part about me and whoever was the boss at the time,

best part about me and Daryl Gates is we both have reached the tops of our careers. Or it was, you know, Willie Williams or Bernard Parks, any of them, we both reached the pinnacles of our careers. I ain't going no higher. I really did not want to. I did not want to be a supervisor.

I didn't want to write paper on people. I wanted to take care of, you know, people. I loved going out and taking care of citizens and doing things for people that, the real thing, there's all kinds of police officers. And, you know, there's good ones and there's bad ones. Just like there isn't any, you know, occupation there is, there's good comedians

and there's shitty ones. I've sat through some shitty ones, you know, and you go, who told this guy he's good at this? And, you know, there's ones that are afraid of being a police officer, no matter what they want to say. They're afraid of it. They're afraid of the people out there. They're afraid of dealing with people.

And so they do everything they can to do the easy things. They pull over, you know, ladies. They'll pull over, you know, old people. They'll pull over the guy that they see coming out of a business, in a business suit and write a stupid ticket or something like that. And I looked at that, that's chicken shit. You know, I swear to you,

I wrote about five tickets in my career and they were all to gang members. And it was, if I stopped someone, I would stop you to put you in jail. I would, if I thought that, you know, you're doing something bad. But if you were, you know, I didn't care, if you're doing 80 miles an hour in a 50,

I'd tell you, hey, you need to slow down, you know, be safe, have a nice day, boom. And I would never write a ticket because why am I gonna ruin that guy's day or that girl's day? Why am I gonna make their insurance go up? And you know what? I don't care if the city made money.

I care that people are having a safe day. No one's bothering them. And I enjoyed going out and putting people in jail that cause problems for other people in a bad way. I enjoyed putting gang members in jail. Had no problem doing that. I enjoyed, if someone was terrorizing an area in a certain way or something,

I liked trying to find them and put them away so the neighborhood was better. How much of it is, I don't know how they interact with you. Like if I've had, I had a friend in high school who loved arguing with cops about, he would speed and he would get pulled over and he loved it. He loved arguing with them and he would get tickets and he would get in fights with them.

And I've been pulled over like three or four times. I've never, I got one ticket, but other than that, I'm always very nice and they usually seem to let you go. Well, you know, and this, it's exactly what you're saying. If you're gonna sit there and you know, I don't care who you are. If I pull you over and you sit there and you say, I said, hey, let me see your driver's license registration.

Please, you know, what's your name, blah, blah, blah. I'll be nice. I'm gonna be as respectful as I can to you. I'm gonna treat you the way I would want to be treated. And if you start in with, why did you pull me over? Well, the reason I pulled you over is, you know, you're going, we'll say 65 and a 45. No, I wasn't.

I was not speeding. Well, now you're saying I'm a liar, okay? I don't lie. I don't have to sit here. I don't want to, I don't do things to people that don't deserve it. I don't want to, I'm not gonna ruin your day for no reason, but don't make it to where you're making the police officer

say, okay, I'll prove it to you and they're gonna write you the ticket. Because if you're asking for it, fine. The best thing you can do anytime you get stopped by a police officer is say, how you doing, sir? You know what? I don't know how fast I was going. I was, I apologize.

Here's where I was going. I did not realize that I will slow down, you know, take your time, do what you're gonna do. You know, and they're gonna run you because they're gonna see if you have any felony warrants or things like that. But most of them will come back and a lot of times they're gonna come back

and say, hey, have a nice day, slow down. And what did it cost you? It cost you a little bit of time. But if you want to sit there and challenge them, you're just proving that, you know what? You are not treating them the way they're trying to treat you. If you, you know, to get respect, you have to give respect.

And that's, you know, that's the essence of life. I drove without a license. Not because I got DUIs and I had a Colorado license and right before 9-11, I lost it. The license got lost on a plane and I just didn't want to go get a license. I just fucking didn't want to go get a license, man. It's a fucking pain in the ass.

It is. I drove from 2000 to probably 2012. I drove without a physical license. And I would get pulled over all the time and never get a ticket because I'd address the officer of respect and tell him the truth. And he told, one cop told me on the five, he goes, listen, man, you were doing 70 or 80, whatever,

but you know, you were a gentleman, I'm gonna let you go. And you didn't have alcohol on your breath. That's why I don't believe in drinking booze. I do comedy, I do not drink it. I can't handle myself when there's a cop behind me. Even if I don't have a gun in the car. If I have nothing in the car, nothing, drinking, nothing. I'm still fucking like, why is he behind me?

Last night I had a guy behind me for three fucking miles before I got into the 7-10. But all those times, I've never, you know, I got arrested 37 times, right? 37 times you've been arrested? Oh, I was on a row for a while. I never heard that number. Oh, I was on a row for a while.

From 84 to 85, I'm like a half. I got arrested, but let go. Cause they couldn't get the proof, you know, like I possession of stolen proper tools. They let me go possession of stolen property and let me go. I always knew a cop or something. It was always something going on. And all those arrests, I only had problems with one police.

Let me tell you how good I was. One time I got arrested in Jersey in Englewood Cliffs, and I had a warrant in Newark. And they arrested me like a two in the afternoon. I hadn't eaten lunch. So then I was nine o'clock and they were transferring me to Newark and I made the cop. I had to talk to him nice.

I go, officer, I haven't fucking eaten since breakfast. I'm dizzy. You gotta stop somebody because I can't do it. I go, officer, they're not gonna fucking feed me all night. You can't do this to me. Where would you presume we stop? I go, Chan's dragging in. He goes, not in a million fucking years.

You know why? Cause I was doing a steak out there one night for a burglar and we could hear the rats. The cop wouldn't fucking pull over. He goes, that place is fucking filthy. Finally, he pulled over. He went in, ordered it for me, got it out. He let me eat it in the backseat of the car.

Pork fried rice and I grow. That's how much respect I had for cops. And after a while, you just tell him the truth. The cop that broke my balls was in Colorado. He was one of those cops that was Johnny American. And he would always say things to me, like little things to me in court. And I would break his balls.

Cause at that point, that's what it had become. He was a fucking scumbag to me. But I've never had a problem with a cop. Never in my, never. I have, I just don't understand how people want to argue with a cop. That's the last motherfucker I want to argue with. I just want to leave.

The people who I've seen do it, I grew up in a very rich town. It was the, it's people who were, I'm not saying everybody, but the people I've seen do it, they like, they like having the power. Cause like they, they're not worried about going to jail cause they have bail money and I don't know.

Maybe, maybe, maybe that's just them. But the two or three people I've met who'd like doing it were very rich. When I was 18 for about a two month period, I considered being a cop. In the, in the early eighties, there was a big, a big hiring in the early eighties in the East coast of Miami.

There was a big hiring for minority police officers. And they went after, and if we remember in Miami, they had the river cops. Oh yeah. The four cops that were fucking throwing people in the ocean, pulling them over, taking their drugs and killing them and shit. Drugs had money.

Because they couldn't do enough background checks fast enough. They, they didn't look at juvenile records. They didn't know that these fucking kids were, were crazy. But the same thing happened in my hometown, where a handful of kids that were crazy got, became cops. It's the same thing out here. That's what happened. That was Rafael Perez and all of them.

And then, you know, the rampart scandal and everything. Why do you think LAPD gets such a bad rap? My girlfriend grew up out here. And she, she said the sheriffs are pretty cool. And she grew up in Inglewood where like there's a lot of, like the police, I used to go drop her off. And there were drug dealers who were just always out. It was like a store.

And the police station was a few blocks away. And they just like, they don't come around here for that. And, and she, she has, she's, she wants to be a lawyer, but she says LAPD has a horrible reputation. You know, they have recently really gotten, there's all kinds of stuff that goes into everything. And, you know, they try to get so politically correct that you lose your effectiveness in what you're doing.

And when, again, this is the whole point. When the citizens know that, well, the police aren't even gonna come around here. Well, that's, the citizens are also the idiot selling the narcotics at times. And they're the ones that, you know, are bringing the people that are buying the narcotics and the way the people buy the narcotics

is to break into the home and steal that person's, you know, TV or computer and go out and sell it and to get the money for their stuff. And so it's just, it's a vicious cycle that is going on. And you have got to have people knowing you're gonna be there to cause them a problem. Because if you're there to cause them a problem, they're gonna try to go somewhere else.

They're gonna try to do it in another way. They're not gonna try to stop, but they're gonna get out of that one area and then, you know, move on. You find where they're going and start to cause them a problem again. And that's what police work is about. Police work is not about, you know,

going out and stopping just anybody on the street. It's about being smart, watching, going up, doing what we call OPs and observation, watching the people, watching what they're doing. If I go and I stop someone on the street for, we'll say, you know, and I'm stopping because I think they're a narcotics seller, trust me, I've been watching them.

I know where it's at. I'm not an idiot. I'm not gonna sit there and just stop them for, you know, nothing so I can't put them away. I'm gonna sit there and either have information from someone that has told me exactly where they put it at or I've watched them, seen where they put it at. And so, you know, I've had it where, you know,

guys will take them, there's grass and they'll pull up the grass and they'll be three feet underneath the grass. And so as you're there, you would never know unless you went and watched them. You watch them and you sit there and all you gotta do is watch them for a while, watch them do a cell, boom, go in there and pop.

That's not mine. You're right, it's not yours. Yes, it is, I watched you go there, too bad. So now it is my word against yours. My whole thing is I don't lie. There's no reason to lie. If you tell the truth, it never changes. When you tell a lie, you need to then start telling more lies

and try to cover that lie. So tell the truth. If you can't catch the person that day, then you don't catch them that day. You said something very interesting in the beginning that I was gonna talk to you about and you brought it up. I think that, and I don't think it's just that lie.

I think I travel and you travel. It's the fucking country as a whole. I think the social shortness has even caught up to police officers. When you go in and you see a cop and you pull over, you see a cop and you're asking for directions, they look at you like, you're from another planet now. You can't talk to an LA cop.

You ever say good afternoon to cops in the eating lunch at Boston Market? They look at you like, why is he talking to us? Well, I can't fucking say hello to four fucking cops. I'm trying to give you the respect you deserve. You're outside. Most people look at you like, you're this for the community. It's like my friend says, my friends are detective in Jersey

because they all come crying for papa when they get bit slapped. But when I drive down the street and they're having a good time, they give me the finger and shit. And when they get bit slapped, they're all crying for fucking papa. They have forgotten what,

I grew up with cops, with bee cops in New York City where you got to know them and they got to talk to you and they got to walk home with you. That's the difference though. See, back in when I came on, the guys that I was learning from were guys that had 20 years on the department.

They've been there. They've done all these different things. Guys walking beats in New York. The one thing about New York, New York is when you look at the area, it's small, but the amount of people in it is huge and the amount of officers they have is huge too. But those officers are responsible for a very small area

but they get to know everybody. They get to know everybody. They know what everybody's doing. They know the guys that are doing the stupid stuff and they'll sometimes say, hey, get out of here. But they're not gonna take, their whole thing is to make sure that everyone is just kind of flowing together and society is working.

And those guys can tell you things based on experience that what has happened recently as we get into this, I don't wanna say it's not an affirmative action but it's almost an affirmative action. Everyone, it's like AYSO soccer. Oh, everyone should get to play. That's bullshit, okay? It's not everyone gets to play.

It's the best people should go forward but there needs to be time in that. So what we have is we get a bunch of, I used to teach for the department near the end of my career and I'd get a class of 50 people. And out of that 50 people, I would have 35 that had some type of degree.

BSBA, Masters MBA or PhD becoming a police officer. And I'd have about 15 that were military or didn't have any kind of real experience in high school education but got in. And the people that had the degrees, the problem with them was is we have done things and we have made it to where everyone is, oh, it's okay, we're gonna help you out.

We're gonna do things for you. We're gonna, everyone should get a chance to play. And when I grew up, when you grew up, I would go outside at seven o'clock in the morning after feeding myself because no one was there to make me breakfast. I fed myself on the weekends. And I would go out and I'd get on a bike

if I had that or a skateboard and I'd go to my friend's house. And I just knew that I had to be home at six o'clock at night for dinner. And if I wasn't home, I was gonna get my ass beat. But I would go out and I'd go with my friend Vince or my friend Ken and we'd go out and we would make decisions all day long.

Most of them really bad. Most of them are really screwed up. But we would make those decisions and then we would have consequences based upon the decisions that we made. And we learned how to make a decision. But the problem with kids now is, even my kids growing up, you know,

my wife would sit there and, you know, Ron wanted to play with Bobby. So my wife would call Bobby's mom. Ron wants to play with, oh yeah, Bobby wants to play with Ron. Well, we'll bring Ron over and he'll be over there in a half hour. Great, we take Ron and we drop him over at Bobby's house.

And Bobby's mommy's there to make sure that everything's going right. And if they're gonna go someplace, Bobby's mommy's gonna go with them. And they don't have to make a decision at all because it's all being done for them. They don't make any decisions. And so they don't know how.

And so then we get all these people that are all educated who come into an academy and I put them in a hard situation. I'll put them in a thing. I'll make a decision now, go. And they want you to give them the answer. And they can't do it. And they are then, they'll make it through the academy.

I try to get rid of them. They'll make it through the academy and they're great test takers. So then they'll elevate themselves without knowing how to do the job because they don't really do the job. They just take tests. And with those tests, after two years,

they're a sergeant. After five years, they're a lieutenant. And they don't know how to grab their ass with either hand. And that's the problem with most departments today. You get all these people, they're very educated, but they don't know how to do police work like the old people did. Do you think that's not naming any incidents

but anytime there is an incident, do you think that's a main part of the problem? Absolutely. It's a big part of the problem. Absolutely. Absolutely. Look, there's all kinds of ways to do police work. Here's the thing.

You can look at, and I don't know exactly what happened. We'll say, you got the Michael Brown incident. People can sit there and say what they want. Michael Brown attacks a police officer. He goes inside of the car. He gets shot inside. The car's thumb comes off and he steps back and this is witnesses and this is all in,

if you look at the true records of it. And he decides to attack the officer again and the officer shoots. Now, I'm telling you, would I have shot him? No, I wouldn't have. But here's the difference. I have certain rules that I've lived by. I would shoot at what I know, not at what I think.

That's a weird statement, but that's the truth. If I know that he is a deadly threat to me, he has a weapon that can take my life, I'm gonna shoot you. I'm gonna drop you and I'm gonna end your ability to hurt me. I'm not trying to kill you, I'm trying to stop you. Most police officers live on the premise

that people will respect the badge. They'll respect the power of the badge that it can take their freedom away and put them in jail. And it will a lot of the time. But people expect police officers to be these. They're all educated in the law. They're psychologists. They'll handle all of your personal,

domestic dispute problems. They can all fight. Bullshit, they can't. Most of them can't do anything. So when I look at someone, as simple as it is, you'll see police officers coming up on cars and they'll walk up on a car. I will tell you, any time a police officer walks up

on the car, the person that's in the car has them. I'll kill the police officer every time. I'll show you how. I used to teach it. I used to do it. There's no way for the officer to win if the person really wants to get go after them. Now most people are good people.

They're not gonna go after the officers. The officer relies on that fact. The second part is, officers don't want to get into physical altercations. Why? Well, because there's a gun involved. No matter if it's the person who's got one, he's got one. So they don't want to get in,

tear up their uniform. They might not be able to fight real well. So they're afraid of getting in that physical altercation. So they'll keep people in a car where they don't know anything about what's inside the car, which is the real danger. Instead of pulling them out of the car, putting them up here,

and so now the person they want to attack the officer physically, they can, okay, attack me. Go ahead. That's my job to be professional and learn how to be better at doing certain things than you. And if you're not doing those things as a police officer, then you're not being smart about being professional. There's life insurance policies for everything.

Learning how to do Brazilian jiu-jitsu or fight or know how to actually handle yourself if you have to for a police officer, it's a life insurance policy. That's what you're talking about. So when you're not doing it, you're saying you're lazy and a lot of people are lazy. No, for me, growing up that neighborhood cop became my uncle. He was also a deterrent.

He also, by right of the neighborhood, if you act it up, he'd fucking kick you in the ass and take it to your house and knock on the door and say, excuse me, your son disrespected me again by kicking the fucking ass and then your mom would give you a bit slap in front of the cop and it was understood and your mom on the way out would go, by the way, he ever disrespects you, knock him the fuck out.

Now you had a green light. Now you know if you played hooky. This guy, you know, we had, and it's funny because I was blessed. I have been blessed with the best police officers ever around me. As a kid, we had a guy look like Agon from that troupe. Chucky McGreen, he calls in his uncle and we would, he was an all state basketball player. So no matter if he was a cop or not,

he was still a basketball player. So we played basketball with 13 and he'd pull up, we'd go, what, you wanna play hoops? And he'd go, I don't have time. We did that to him until one day he goes, you little motherfuckers. He took the belt off, he put it in the trunk of his car. He took his police shirt off and played hoops.

We would make him play hoops. That's good. Then we'd abuse him. Don't come here no more, we'd call it socks. Cause he would wear colored socks. You're gonna cut yourself and you're the poison and we all gonna murder. We would torment him.

We had another cop, a kid that we were friends with and we became friends with his father. His father was a no-nonsense guy. His father was fucking backhanded. His father was backhanded son of school with his arms folded. He would just go, and the son would drop and he'd pick him up again.

And one night he called us dining and dashing. They sent him. The Chinese guys were waiting for us to kick the door down. We ate and we were ready to run and they locked the door on us. So we're like, the cops are on their way. When we see Mr. Vantage, we're like, shit. He came in, he pulled us all together.

He goes, I'm not gonna take you little motherfuckers to jail. Give me all your money. We got no money. He goes, okay, I'm gonna pay the $40 tab for you guys. But at one o'clock tomorrow, if I don't have this $40, I'm putting a personal warrant on you. He goes, I'm gonna knock the fuck out of all four years. At 12 o'clock, we were there with this $40.

They meant something different to us. They were somebody else to us. I don't see that in him now. Do you have a Taekwondo school on Hollywood Boulevard? It's run by cops. Is that still run by the cops there? I don't know. On Kowenga?

Yeah, it's a little place with a badge, like a PA. I grew up a P.A.L. When I came from Cuba, I was a P.A.L. guy. In the corner, they would take you to the police station and make you shoot a 32 or a 22 and then give you the bullet to take home. KZV the fucking target. They teach you how to shoot pool.

They took me to Detroit. You know, I'm a P.A.L. guy. So I got it. Growing up, I really got it. Well, you said when you earlier, you said that a lot of cops who trained you had 20 years experience. Is there a lot more turnover now?

People stay for like five years. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Really? Absolutely. Yeah, you get a lot of people. It is not the same thing. And the other part is, it used to be back a long time ago,

working patrol, there was a certain amount of honor to it. That you were the guy out there actually doing the job. You were dealing with the public. And then it got to the point where your supervisors were saying, why are you still working patrol? Why are you working patrol? What are you doing? Why don't you work the specialization?

Why don't you go do this? Why don't you be a detective? Why don't you be a sergeant? And they made it to where if you're the officer that just stays in patrol, well, obviously, you're not that smart. And they tainted it. And they made it to where the people that are really good are always trying to go other places

because that's what everyone's expecting. Patrol is a great place to be. Now, it can get old for anyone, but when you start having two-year police officers training, zero-year police officers, you know your department's got problems. You did the 20 years? I did 23.

And what's the, I know you wouldn't know this, but what's the average now? People do five years and they're like, I don't want to be a cop no more. Well, I mean, you get a lot of turnover, but you get a lot of guys going all the way. You know, my sister's been a police officer now, and she's got like 31 years on.

She's on LA County Sheriff's. She's a lieutenant there. She's been there forever. And you know, it's been a great job for her. She's done it, you know, a lot. She does commercial crimes now. She's super smart. She knows what she's doing.

What's commercial crimes? Commercial crime is like, you know, you get people that go in and they're embezzling money from a business or they're, you know, people are coming in and they're, you know, doing things that they shouldn't do, taking money that shouldn't be taken. And finally, the owner, and I've been one of those owners,

you know, realizes I'm being ripped off. And then they go and get all the paperwork and start doing all the background to get, here's how the person's been stealing. This is how long they've been doing it. This is where the money's come from. This is how much the total is. And sometimes they go after the person.

Sometimes they don't. You know, unlike a lot of felons and a lot of people in society right now, I've never, ever, ever at any apprehension towards police officers. I've seen good cops and bad cops. You know, my mother had a barn, you didn't see a cop coming every week for an envelope.

His name was Chino. Coming with his little outfit on. My mom would give him an envelope and a drink. If something happened, he was always the first cop on the scene. If your window broke, he went there and sat outside so nobody broke him to your business. You know, and I never had a problem with him.

I'd seen other cops that came in and broke my mother's balls at the bar. And that dude ended up shot. The Cubans fucking shot him in 76. They just had something in the local, my local high school paper about his son's older now and whatever. I've seen him from, I've never, ever had, you know,

even Michael Brown thing, the kid in Staten Island. I've always said that unless you know the fucking job, shut your fucking mouth. Unless you know what it is to follow. The other night, we almost got caught in something. Oh my God. Oh shit. And I was petrified because that's how it goes down.

We saw the kid running. We were, me and him were getting in our car and we saw the kid running and we saw the police back up and put the light on us and we followed us. We're like, oh no. I just thought this guy was running. I thought he was going to catch a bus or something. And you're like, oh, the cops are following him.

And we pulled into the alley to leave and the cops went by with a little light. I was like, oh fuck. Oh shit. And then they got behind us. Did they really? Yeah, they got right behind. You didn't know it.

I drove. I was like, they got to pull us over. I'm gonna have to put my hands out because they're gonna think the perps in the fucking car. Maybe kidnapped us. He ain't gonna kidnap me. I saw him running and shit like, I've never, and I've never seen the outcry that's lately.

In all my years of being in this country. As everybody feels entitled, it's like, well, you know, you shouldn't, you know, no one should be stopping me. You know, I haven't done anything. And it's like, we do things all the time. I can tell you, there's so many things, you know, it was funny because people would say, you can't stop me.

I didn't do anything. It's like, here, let me make this very clear for you. Between state laws, LA municipality codes, all these things, trust me, they can stop you for just about anything. I mean, there's codes where you can't wash your car in the street or something, you know, it's ridiculous. There's so many different things.

So if the officer wants to stop you, yeah, he can stop you. You know, it's what he does with it and the way he treats you that tells you who he is as a person and everything. But, you know, I just watched, you know, Dave Herman is, you know, an MMA fighter, and I like Dave, he's a good guy. And I see, you know, he gets stopped.

He ends up driving, you know, multiple miles with the police behind him. What people don't understand, it's the same thing as when you are being followed by a police officer, same as what you were talking about. The first thing that crosses your mind when you see that black and white come in behind you is, ah, crap, they're gonna pull me over.

Now, that could be true. Or it could be that the officer that's sitting in that car could be thinking of everything in the world but pulling you over. But it's what your mind says is gonna happen that is real. Now, what people don't realize is the officer, if they are gonna pull you over, why are they pulling you over?

Well, they only know what they are going to pull you over for. They know, oh, this person's tail light is out. That's the reason I'm pulling them over. But that person in the car could have just done a robbery, could have gone and done something. And so in their mind, the officer knows, they know, they know I just committed the robbery. And that's why they're pulling me over.

And so this is where you get that, the trust factor. Police officers are leery of people because they don't know everything that's occurred. And they know why the reason they're gonna do something but they have to be careful with everybody that they do something with. Because if you don't take those precautionary steps, you can run into that one person that is the person

that just robbed a store or is doing something that you're not stopping them for and now they have the upper hand on you. So they have to go through certain steps to protect themselves and make sure that everything's right. But as long as someone complies, if a police officer says put your hands up, put your fricking hands up, big deal.

I'm not putting them up, I'm calling my attorney, bitch, what the fuck is wrong with you? And it goes both ways. I've seen it, police officers get down on your knees, get it down on your face. There's a reason why they're doing it. And if it's not you, you got nothing to worry about. Now the police officers need to have some common sense too

because I can tell you, I've seen it too many times. The police officer will run a car and the car will come back stolen. It comes in the eyes, it comes up on the computer, it's gonna say this is a Cote 37 vehicle, stolen, blah blah blah, tell you the place it's up. And as the police officer, you gotta have enough common sense.

What do I see driving the car? If I see a male between 16 and 50 years old, guess what, you're getting pulled out, you're getting put on your face, that's just the way it's gonna be. But when you see an elderly couple that's 70 years old in their Sunday best going to church, it's telling you someone, they got their car back,

someone didn't pull it out of the system, don't take that lady and put her on her face and the street have some common sense. And that common sense is what will lead people to not having a problem with some of the things police officers do. You gotta have common sense. I remember like in the early 80s,

I've never trusted when I'm telling you this, I don't like drinking and driving. Just something about it. Just something about it that it's like stealing a car. Fucking, if you get caught stealing a car, you're a fucking moron, we've had this combat. I can't get out of it, I'm in it. I'm in the fucking thing, at least that's not my wrench,

officer, I didn't hit him with the bat, that was there. I don't know what happened, he fell. But if I'm in the fucking car, you got me writing checks, I never got so many crimes. But one time I was in the car with a buddy of mine, this fucking idiot was crazy, I loved him. In fact, his brother just hit me up on Facebook. He was crazy but not in a bad way.

And we were going, it was freezing out in Jersey. And the cop was doing fucking 10 miles an hour in front of us. And what if Ferney do passes him on the right? And the cop pulls Ferney over, he pulls Ferney out, and Ferney's telling the cop dog, it's fucking too cold for this. You're gonna write me a ticket, but before the whole thing went down,

I was sitting next to Ferney and the cop said, license registration. I looked at the cop and I go, officer, arrest him, he's been drinking. The fucking cop started laughing his ass off so much, he just gave us a license to go home. Just take him to fuck home, you know? Like that's how funny.

But I've had situations when they're, they don't respond to a funny joke. Oh yeah. And that's fucking crazy. Because then you're like, that's crazy. That's when, and like I came up, when I've gotten to all those problems, it was in Jersey. I got into problems when I was in Jersey.

My mom had died, I got crazy, and there was one time, I was in Newark and all those places, that's where those cops don't fuck around. Like that's where I would hate to be a cop. And I know this cop, this guy kept busing this cop's balls, he was bleeding from every orifice in his fucking body. This guy needs 100 stitches and they put him in his cell.

This is the early 80s when there was no paper. They put, really? You're bleeding, we'll put you in the cell, wait for court, let the judge stitch your motherfucking ass up. And I'm never going in front of the judge and watching him walk in with the chains. And you can see the drip of blood all the way. They wouldn't take this motherfucker to get stitched up.

Those are the things that always scared me about. I never got touched by a cop, ever, ever, not even in a bad way. I always got my handcuffs put on and they left me the fuck alone. Look at Big John, look at him, he's a big John, he used to be crazy, man. What happens, I had a buddy who used to work on cops,

I think he still does. And in cops the thing is they always, you always see them say, tell me the truth. And would that actually help? Like let's say I had drugs or something on me and I told you the truth, would it actually help or no? No. Shut your fucking mouth, that's all I tell you.

Shut your mouth, just tell the cops the truth, officer, I can't talk. I remember one time we went fag-bagging. When I was like, this was the hot thing, I don't give a fuck if somebody gets mad. You're not beating up on fags, you're beating up on perverted old men. We were like 18 and we get a good-looking guy

and we put him out his bait. In fact, the good-looking guy, his father was the chief of police, all right? All right, and his cousin, I hung out with his cousin and he was a mafia guy. So this is the house, the spectrum, they don't talk. I think the chief of police's sister, the chief of police and his sister,

that's how they were related was, so he was the chief and the other kid I hung out with was the gangster's father, so they didn't really talk, but I hung out with this guy and he was the bait. And one day we got pulled, the cops got us. The guy that was getting beat up, he was like a 50-year-old pervert or something like that

and they took us to the police station, but the one cop knew. The one cop kept looking at us, the one gun whole cop kept saying, I'm arresting you guys for assault, but this one fucking cop, older cop kept knowing and he walked over to us later on, and he goes, what really happened out there tonight?

And I go, officer, this guy was trying to suck our dick. You know, that's what really happened and we gave a bit slap and stuff and the guy goes, let me come right back. And he left for like three minutes, he came back on the other side of the cell, he's like, just don't come back and don't go up there and smack those motherfuckers.

If you see him, contact me and I'll go up there. Because when I grew up, the city and the park were completely different, so the Sheriff's Department ran that Hudson County Park and the Sheriff's Department, they were mean, but they were, by the book, like one night they pulled us over, again, we were out there, we had a mirror,

a coke on top of the car, a mirror, like the kid pulled the mirror out of his bathroom and we had a, that's when we used to snort coke outside, the early days. Like a big full-length mirror? Like a big, on the trunk of the car and we're just snorting below, on the trunk of the fucking car.

I mean, who does this? And the cop walks out there, what are you doing in the mirror? No, just looking at ourselves. We broke it. When the cop pulled up, we threw it on the floor and it broke. And he's like, what the fuck do you guys got a mirror out of it?

Ah, my buddy. And then he goes, what's going on in him? And there was an argument, some guy had an argument and the guy flagged down the cop. I never forget this cop coming over and going, excuse me, he pulled the kid over, the kid's like, arrest him, fuck him. And the Sheriff looks at me and he goes, listen,

really, really, you're gonna do this to me at a quarter to fucking 12 on a Thursday night, you fuck. He goes, you couldn't take him across the street and beat him up like any local. And he, anybody with common sense, if you hit him here, I have to do common, I have to do paperwork, do me a favor, take him across the street, do what you want them, all right?

I mean, that's, and you shouldn't do that as a cop. But he was, these were the guys that patrol. They knew the area, they knew what was going on. They knew that we were gonna do something. We weren't bad kids. It wasn't like we're fucking shooting cops and all like that. It was one cop, Phil Sims. He was just like Phil Sims.

I tell you how cool Phil Sims was. One night, my buddy called him out and Phil Sims says, I'll tell you what, I'll come here tomorrow at three o'clock. We'll fist fight in front of Nick's pizza. They showed up the next day. Phil Sims was like 28, my friend was like 19. They fought like maybe two rounds. They got up shook hands.

And that was it. There you go. He kept torturing Phil Sims. Phil Sims said, fuck you. He fought a cop? Yeah. Have you ever seen that movie, End of Watch? They did that in End of Watch.

It was a pretty great movie. No, I didn't see it. Oh, it was really good. I didn't see nothing like that. It actually is a good movie. I hate cop movies. Really? It was a good one.

It actually was pretty accurate. The best thing about that was when you get in a pursuit down in the South end, that's where that was at. They were supposedly out of Newton, but it's all alleys and things are flying up in the air and you're busting butt through it. And the first car scene when they had the chase, very accurate.

It was great. Big John, before we move any further, where were you when they robbed that bank in 1998? One of my first week in LA, the North Hollywood bank robbery. I wanted to ask you that. Oh, I was off that day. In fact, we were going up to Big Bear with my family. And someone said, hey, hit the TV.

There's something going on. And I saw it. And I wasn't part of that at all. But I ended up doing a full investigation because I was one of the expert witnesses for it to talk about what the officers did and how they did it and what the suspects were doing and why it was right and what was right and wrong.

Because there was a lawsuit later on by the family of Emil Montsereno. He was the second guy that died in it. He was the guy that was mostly in the car for a lot of it. They sued the department, sued the city for wrongful death because it was right for their husband or father or whatever you want to say to be out shooting at people. When did you retire?

I retired in 2007. So, I mean, you were a police officer in the city doing some of the best fucking news in the city. You were a cop during the OJ trial. Oh, yeah. 94. Oh, yeah. You were a cop when Biggie got shot.

You were a cop when Biggie got shot. Oh, yeah. We were at the comedy store. And, well, because I was thinking about it, you were a cop during a lot of things. During the riots, during the riots. During the riots. Oh, yeah.

Oh, shit. 94. That's right. 94, the ride. 92, 93. 92. 92. April of 92.

I had just started comedy. And I was doing comedy at a Chinese restaurant. And the whole thing was on. I couldn't believe, like, California. I never fucking like California. I'll never go to California. Look at that guy hitting the head with the brick. OJ.

Start with the OJ Simpson. Oh, my god. You know, I was such a fan of OJ. Growing up, I was a fan of OJ Simpson. I loved OJ Simpson. And, I mean, everything about OJ Simpson, I thought, was cool. Man, that was the juice.

And I was working in Hollywood. I was working in the Hollywood division. I had just gotten transferred from 77th Southwest Division to, I had to go to what we call a new bureau. Because there's four bureaus as far as LAPD. There's Central Bureau, West Bureau, Valley Bureau, and South Bureau. And when you're a young officer, you go to, out of the academy,

they're going to send you to a bureau. And normally, you're there a year. And I was able to be down in the South Bureau for almost two. And they have to transfer you out of the South Bureau. And so they put me to West Bureau, which was up in Hollywood. And so, you know, it was a good place to go to. So I was working up in Hollywood. And I'm working morning watch.

And there's an old, crusty guy. His name was Gene Farone, man. Big pitted face and good guy. But just kind of by the book, you know, just a bit of a hard ass. And he calls for an extra unit down off of Melrose and Martell. And it's about 1230, 1235 in the morning. And I'm right around the corner.

I tell him, hey, I'll be right there. And I pull up. And there's this black Ferrari Testerosa. And at the time, a Ferrari Testerosa was a cool car. And it's got a license plate. It says juice. And I'm like, god damn, man, get out. And sure enough, I see there's this pretty blonde

and there's O.J. Simpson. And I'm like, you know, come over towards Gene. And he says, hey, he says, I want you to stand with him. He says, I got to talk to her. He says, but just stand and talk to him. Find out what he says went off. I said, come over here. How you doing?

And I said, you know, what's going on? And I'm talking to him. And he's saying, oh, man. I'm in the car. And she's getting mad at me. And she's starting to hit. And he goes, and I'm putting my hand up to try to keep her from hitting me and stuff.

He goes, he says, in my form, yeah. He says, I think I did hit her in the forehead with my form as I told her to stop. He goes, but I'm just trying to keep her from hitting me. And he goes, and then we get pulled over. And she's telling him that I hit her in the head and stuff. And I'm like, all right. I said, look, come on.

If you're getting mad with it, you're late or something like that, pull over, get out of the car, walk. You can't touch her, right? So then Gene comes and he says, I'm going to take him to jail. I said, Gene, this is OJ Simpson, dude. Just take OJ Simpson to jail. And I said, well, he goes, let me talk to him real quick.

He says, you talk to her. So then I talked to his wife and go through the whole thing and tell her, look, you're hitting each other. And I said, you both go to jail. I said, this is stupid. You need to act like adults. And you need to work things out and don't hit each other. Just talk.

Be adults about things. I said, do you want him to go to jail? And she goes, no. I go, well, I don't think he wants to go to jail either. So you guys need to work it out. And we'll try to explain to the other officers. So in the end, I get Gene to let him go. And it's about five years later, he ended up

cutting her head off. I'm an idiot. But there was no rest after that. What's that? There was no rest after that for the domestic violence. Oh, he had multiple domestic violence after that. Yeah, but it was a start. And it was, you know, look, it was because I liked it.

That's O.J. Simpson. I'm not going to screw this career. I'm not going to make things over something that, you know, no guy should hit, you know, his wife should not do it. If you do it, you're an idiot. And you need to grow up. But at the time I was young, and I just looked at it, I was like, I'm not going to take O.J. Simpson to jail.

That's stupid. So, you know, I did probably the wrong thing now that you look at it, you know, knowing what happened. But it happens, you know. Everyone thinks because people are known, or they know them, they see them on TV that, you know, they live a better life, a different life. Everybody, you know, people are people.

And people have anger issues. People have egos. People do stupid things. It's just part of, you know, everyday life. And police officers make mistakes. I made a mistake that night. I shouldn't have talked to you and not have taken them. You probably should have, because it maybe it would have,

you know, changed things. I don't think it would have, but. If it hadn't been O.J., do you think you would have arrested them? No. I honestly don't. Because it's not like, if she had marks, that's different. That's saying, hey, you're hitting her. But neither one of them had marks.

And so there was nothing there. There was an argument. And look, you know what? I have probably the greatest marriage there is. And my wife is as great to me as anyone could be. But there's times where she can even get mad at me and I can get mad at her. And that's just, you know, that's people.

So, you know, hitting and stuff, no. Words happens all the time. It's funny, because at that time, the domestic violence thing wasn't. Wasn't quite as big. Wasn't quite as big. So, it was getting there. If you didn't have any visible marks, people argue.

People argue and sometimes people get loud. I say, fuck you. Sometimes I slam the door. For a cop to come and arrest me would be a fucking heartache. You know, but that's what happens when you can't control yourself. What about the riots? Wow, where the fuck were you when all that shit went down?

That's, so you're on the force. Seven to years, maybe six years. Yeah, I was working on what was called Westboro Crash. I was working gangs at the time. And, yeah, old video of me on YouTube. It was, you know, what happened with the Rodney King thing and everything, Lawrence Powell was a guy

that I worked with and I worked around him and wasn't my favorite. And I even told supervisors, hey, you need to set him straight. You know, he's very, he's very big when people have handcuffs on. I said, you know, take the handcuffs off someone and see what it is. Don't, don't, you know, I told him, you know,

don't treat someone in a way that you wouldn't if you weren't wearing that badge. So if, you know, if you're gonna walk up while you're wearing a T-shirt and jeans to that person and say that, go ahead and do it to the other, the same thing. But if that's not the way you would act, then don't act that way as a police officer.

So, you know, the whole thing happened with Rodney King and then they got off and, you know, I knew, I knew it was gonna blow up. There was not a doubt in, you know, my mind, it wasn't a doubt in my partner's mind. And we got called in, we were sent to Hollywood to work that night and we got called immediately to Wilshire. They do what's called, we call it a code alpha.

That's to meet up and we get, I get to Wilshire station. I pull in this, the parking lot of Wilshire station and we're there for five minutes and all of a sudden there's a shell station that's right on the corner of La Brea and Venice which is very close to the Wilshire police station. And you hear gunshots going off there. And I hear an officer comes out

with an officer needs help over the radio and we jump in our cars to go out and the captain comes over the radio says, no one leave the station, no one leave the station. And it was like, fuck you. And I went out the gates of that station and see the cards coming down. We get a little pursuit.

There's actually a little shooting that happens off of it and the games were on. And honestly, for the, I was there for about 20 hours that first day, I had a blast. All the rules were off. I had a great time. I'm telling you right now, people were nuts. There was, you really had to,

you had people that were trying to take what wasn't, there's they didn't care about Rodney King. They didn't care about the police officers. They cared about getting freebies. They cared about what can I, what can I put in my apartment or my house that didn't belong to me yesterday. And there was those people

and then there was the people that were trying to keep what was theirs. And my job was to help the people trying to keep what was theirs and take care of the people that were doing the bad things. And all we would do is man, we would grab hold and crush people down and have a bus come and they'd throw them in.

There would be, we'd send one officer to write a whole report with however many people it was. I stayed out on the streets until they called me in probably about 10 o'clock next morning, let me go home and tell six o'clock and I was back at work. And for two days, I had a blast. It was the greatest time I ever had as a police officer.

After that, it was boring. How long did that last was riots? Well, the riots, like I said, two days, it was really going. I mean, and when I say it was going, it was, I mean, there was fires all over. They were burning all the, they would loot a store and burn it. Liquor stores were huge for them to go into

any kind of appliance or electrical thing they were trying to break into. And pawn shops, you know, always going after pawns because there was guns and things. And we were just going after, you know, people that were doing the bad things for the most part. You know, they would go into 7-Elevens and raid the 7-Elevens and set it on fire.

But what was really starting to happen is then the fire, like, you know, city fires, then calling even LA County fire and then just, you know, put out the fires and then they were shooting at the, you know, the firefighters and stuff. And so the firefighters couldn't get into the fires and it was a lot going on for two days. After two days, it pretty well, it slowed down a lot.

Would it have changed if there was the, as live as internet as it was for Michael Brown would have been different? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. The internet was just brand new then. I don't even think most people even had it. AOL was like, you know, you got mail, you know, and stuff.

But it's a, at the time that it happened with everything, it would have been a different thing now. Especially, you know, and it's not even, it's not so much the internet, it's like, it's this, you know, everywhere you go now, you know, and this is what's funny about police work and stuff. Everywhere you go, you know, people have a video camera. It's their phone, you know, and like I said,

it's like, it's no different than telling you to, you know, treat people right. My son is an L.A. County Sheriff. Okay, now I told him, don't be a police officer. He's stupid enough, he goes and does it. And, you know, he enjoys it. But, you know, I tell him, wear a camera. I want you to wear a camera on you.

I want you every time you stop someone, every time you turn that thing on. Why? Because if you're not out there to screw people over, it's only going to protect you. It's going to show you when people say, he did this, no, I didn't, here. And it takes care of all the complaints.

And it used to be years ago, all of these, the ACLU and all these different, you know, attorneys for defendants or whatever, we want police officers to wear cameras. And a lot of police officers are like, I'm not wearing a camera. And it's like, why? If you got nothing to hide, what does it matter? And so now, a lot of departments are putting cameras

on police officers and all of their complaints are being thrown out because the officer goes and gets someone to complain about them. They have the camera, they could show exactly what happened with that entire interaction. They go, the person's lying. And now, all of a sudden, the association of attorneys for defendants now does not want police officers wearing

cameras because it's costing them money because they're not getting the lawsuits. It's like, everything's about money. You know, everything when it comes to police work is being smart. Treat people the way that you would want to be treated. If someone needs to be thumped, then that means that they're asking to be thumped, thump them.

But when they're done trying to hurt you, stop thumping them. You got rules. They don't. That's just the way it is. And you've got to live by that. You've got to understand. I have to play by a certain set of rules. As long as you understand that, it's a great job.

It's something that's very fulfilling at times. And you can do a lot of good. Or you can sit there and be a dummy and go out there and think that you know what? You can rule the world the way you want to rule it. You're going to end up pissing people off and getting yourself fired or put in jail. Do you think the amount of money that officers make?

Because no one makes you become a cop. So you know what you're going to get into pay wise when you sign up. That's what's so funny. You get all these police officers and they all want to be rich. It's like, dude, you knew what you were signed up for when you frickin' did it. But do you think if they offered more money, which I know is hard because taxes are already high as they are,

but if they were able to offer more money, they might be able to hire. I don't want to say better people, but people, they wouldn't have to hire the people who are doing the bad stuff. I would tell you this. The real problem with police departments and hiring is there's too many things that have gone on with people's rights

too. I'm six foot. I was six foot four. I was 235 pounds when I was going through the academy. I was 280 pounds the entire time. I was a police officer up to 300, whatever. There's certain people that they look at me and they don't even want to do the things that they're thinking

because they go, it's not worth it. I might not win. But when you have a police, someone come out and say, I am three foot, seven inches tall, but I have the right to be a police officer. Well, OK, yeah, I guess you do, but you have certain limitations. But courts and everything is now saying that this person at three foot seven

can do everything that the six foot four person is. Well, they can in certain ways. My wife was a police officer. I'm telling you, she's smarter than I am. She had a lot better attitude than I had, but there was that one to 2%. There's no way in the world she could deal with the way I could deal with it.

And she knew. And I tried to teach her when she was going on. Being a police officer is about being smart. But I can tell you, when they're in the academy, they're taking her and they're putting her through all this training and stuff. It's almost like going through the military. They're going to break you down to try to build you up

and tell you that you can do these things. And it got to a point. At one point, she still thinks I'm an asshole for it, but she was getting to that point. She thought that she could actually do physically certain things to people. I said, and I told her, come here. Choke me out.

I'm going to sit here. Choke me out. Come on, they told you can choke anyone out. Choke me out. And I sat there and she got mad at me. But that was the point of you need to understand the truth. There are certain things that you can't do. And to sit there and to say that anybody

can choke another person out, that's just not true. That's just not the way it is. If someone really knows how to do it well, they have a chance against someone that doesn't have skill in how to either defend it or anything. Yeah, there's always that. But there's always somebody out there that can beat you. And if you think that everybody's created equal, they're not.

And you need to be smart enough to realize there are limitations in everything. There's limitations when it comes to being a school teacher and what certain people can do and what certain people can't. Everyone can do the job of teaching, but is everybody the same? No, and it's the same with being a police officer. And departments are forced to hire people

that probably shouldn't be police officers. And then when they're going through academies and when they're failing tests that are absolutely important to public safety, but that person has the right to have an attorney go to court and say, no, they shouldn't have been fired because it's not the real world in the academy. And the real world is what's going to take it.

So what you're saying is you want to put this person out on the street and let them do this in the real world. So then when they actually do either shoot someone, they shoot in a shot. Or what's worse to me is they don't shoot somebody who needs to be shot because they are taking the life of somebody else. And that's what really happens is then you

allow someone to die to now say, well, maybe we shouldn't have this person. You can't do that. But that's what occurs. And that's what's wrong with just the way things are. But as somebody who's gone through the system and has gone the other way, female police officers offer a different thing.

They offer a calming effect. Sometimes, yes, sometimes, no. And if I see Mrs. Mack coming at me, that's because you're having different thoughts. You see Mrs. Mack coming at you and you're going, yeah, baby. No, no. When I see Mrs. Mack coming at me, I have the natural woman thing, mom.

She's not going to mess with me. That's because you're a good guy. Yeah, but I got locked up and I never saw. Being locked up doesn't mean you're a bad guy. No, I understand that. There's actually, in my opinion, there is about 2% of society that they're bad people. They're bad.

That's 2%. Maybe it could be even less than that. There could be 45% that have gone to jail. Those 47%, they're not bad people. They just made a mistake. And we all make mistakes. I just made a felony mistake. Hey, you got caught for it.

There's plenty of people who haven't got caught. But you're going to get caught. If you continue to do it, you're always going to get caught. You're always going to get caught. You've got to be an idiot not to think. That's why they give you the peroles and the lung probation. When Chris Brown got the six-year probation, I knew that fucking moron was going to get in trouble again.

I knew it. It doesn't take a fucking genius. But you look and you go, why do you know him? Because he thinks he's above everybody. He thinks that he's different. He's not different. He shits like everyone else. He fricking puts his pants, legs on one at a time.

But he thinks he's different. And he should be able to be on a different standard. No, you're a person. You're an idiot. You hit a girl. You hit a pretty girl, a girl that you should be respecting and taking care of. I don't care if she got mad at you.

I don't care if she pissed you off. She could have said that you're a terrible person. Doesn't mean that you should put your hands on her. You're not better than anybody. That's just the way I fucking think. No, being a cop is a hard job. And all the press that you see for a guy like me that's been on the other side, and I'm telling you

that being a cop is so cool. I've seen cops get jumped on. I've seen it. I fucking seen it. I've seen how quick something happens. It happens fucking quick, Jack. There's no hold on. There's no bow.

There's no let me grab your gi and flip you. There's nothing. It happens. And you see it and you have to react to it a certain way. And I have a lot of respect for cops and teachers. I think that's the two hardest fucking jobs in society. They're tough. You've got to deal with people.

You have to make calls on the dime, and you're always going to get criticized about that call, whether it's right or wrong, whether it's right or wrong. They want teachers to have guns now. Really? They have to want some teachers to do that. Yeah, because you've got idiots coming into school that are arm trying to hurt people that are innocent people.

Yeah, I could see putting, you know what? I don't have a problem with a good teacher that has had an established career that wants to be armed to help with security of someone that comes into their school. I don't have a problem. I hate to say, everyone gets onto this fix about guns. And I could take a gun right now and put it

in the middle of this table. And no one's going to get shot because the gun's not going to jump up and shoot anybody. It's only the idiot controlling it to shoot somebody. And you know what? You can sit there and you can say, well, we're going to legislate. We're going to take it away.

You can't take them away. They're out there to sit there and think that everyone has a registered weapon. You're an idiot. Anybody that wants to get something, they can get it. It's just, you know, it's out there. So if you think you're going to legislate those away, it's never going to happen.

They will always have the ability to have that gun to go in. Now, no one does have one. It's about educating people. It's about having people that sit there and a teacher that says, I'd rather be armed. Look, I got friends that are pilots. There's Mark Smith, who's a MMA referee working in Nevada, works at UFC events.

We're talking a guy here that was in the Air Force. He was on the Thunderbirds. All right, dude, you realize what that is to get to that level of an F-16 fighter pilot that you're part of the Thunderbirds and stuff like that. And this guy is flying at Southwest. You know what, he should be armed. You know what, he's not going to hurt anybody that

doesn't need to be hurt. You know, everybody that steps on that plane deserves protection from one idiot that wants to create an incident. And you know what, sometimes it takes a guy that's in there that is armed. And if that's what it takes to arm a pilot, arm a teacher that is a solid person in their job, do it.

When you became a police officer, in your heart, did you really think you'd make a difference? I always kind of laughed at people that said, I'm here to make a difference. I just want to help people. I want to make a difference. And it's like, for the most part, when people are contacted by police officers, it's a bad day.

I don't care what it is. Either somebody did something to you that you're calling the police, and so something bad has happened, or the police are coming, and they're knocking on your door, and now they're taking control and custody of you, it's a bad day. You know, police officers are there to keep the peace.

They're there to make sure that crimes don't occur. They're there, if a crime does occur, let's try to find the person that created that crime that's a problem, that is a problem for other people in our community, so we can separate them from it and hopefully have the community be safe from that person. That's what we're there for. But you're never going to be that person that people

want to see, because it's always a bad day that they're seeing you. It's just the way it is. Every now and then, we get to, I would go at Christmas time. I would go out, and I'd have a bunch of stuffed toys, and I would stop my kids, and I would let them come to my trunk and take me on a stuffed toy, or something like that. That's a nice contact, but that's just not

the reality of what being a police officer is. I know if I became a cop, it'd be to help, just to really do the little things, little things, that I don't see people doing anymore, or cops doing anymore. I don't see that interaction with cops, especially in Los Angeles. I don't see a lot of, I know no cops.

Now, there's another ref, but the pony isn't the guy, a sheriff. Mike Beltran, is it only County Sheriff? A sheriff, and he's narcotics and all that stuff, and so on, right, right, because I've had conversations with him. Now, before you became a cop, you got involved with Jiu-Jitsu?

No, I got involved with Jiu-Jitsu when I was a police officer. I was, oh, let's see. I want to say back in 1991, 1991 or so. I had a friend, he did judo, and I used to wrestle, and I boxed, and we would work out, and when it came to throwing, he couldn't throw me off of things,

but if you put the gi-hop, he could throw me. And he was the one that told me about this family from Brazil. He goes, there's these guys that are from Brazil. He goes, they like to fight on the ground. You would love them. He goes, I can't think of anything. They're down in the South Bay.

He says, they're out of a garage, and so I was like, okay. And then I, just through, I'd gone to do a lot of different martial arts and stuff. My dad growing up hated martial arts. My dad loved boxing and loved amateur wrestling. Professional wrestling, he would not let me watch. I'd sneak it because he would never let me watch it

because that's fake, that's bull. My dad was all into what he thought was real and what really worked in a fighting situation was big to him that his son did wrestling and boxing. And so that's what I grew up with. And then when I ended up meeting Horian Gracie and I fell in love with Jiu Jitsu. The first guy that I ever rolled with was Hoyce.

That was my first go and they said, well, what do you want to do? I said, whatever you want to do. And he said, well, let's just roll first. And I was on top, and I have him in a cradle. And I'm squeezing him and I was like 290 pounds at the time. He was 180 pounds. And I was like, you guys, I'm thinking of myself.

This guy has nothing. And he's sitting there and he's breathing. And I'm putting, I'm creating a lot of pressure and I'm squeezing, I'm driving my weight into him. And he's wiggling his leg and he's moving and moving and moving. I end up taking my arm, trying to move it out. And he tells me, he gives me this line and he says, and he's breathing like,

whoo, whoo, whoo. And he goes, oh, my friend, you see movie Rocky, right? And I kind of like, I'm like, is he talking to me? And he says, everyone think he lose two. And within about a minute, he's got me in an arm bar. And I tap out of it, because they told me, if something's actually hurt, tap out and you know, okay. And I was like, how'd you do that?

Because I didn't know how he did it. I knew that he swung his body around, but I was like, I was thinking I was gonna take his back. And he's swinging all of a sudden, my arm was going straight and I was like, how'd you do it? And I fell in love with it. And from that moment, I started going.

And I started going just because it was something new and it was this whole element of joint manipulation that I had never been experienced to. Some of the wrestling, you know, intertwined with it, but theirs was totally different because wrestling when, you know, I was taught to wrestle, it was a grind. It was about how hard I could drive into you,

how much I could crush you, how much I could run you and make things hard. It was what we called the grind. And everything that they did was about, oh, my friend, you worked too hard. Oh, my friend, take it easy. Relax, you know, and that was the part I was, I had a hard time with,

because that was, they kept on saying, you relax, you're going too hard, you know? That's the only thing I knew how to do at the time. And I just was intrigued by it and I stayed with it. I just loved it. Can you still go? No, no, no, I mean, You got the black belt, don't you?

Yeah. Everything still. Yeah. Give me to the academy. Eventually I got a black belt, but that's just, you know, I think that more out of like, it's kind of like the actor that never won anything. Yeah, you acted here.

Here's a reward for lifetime achievement. So I, you know, I look at it, it's, I could roll. You know, I know what I'm doing. I know how to teach someone. I loved you. I got to a point, I didn't care about the black belt. I really didn't. And I looked at it was my ideas were,

it's not about the belt. It's about, because, you know, and the reason I was saying that, you know, I was, you know, with guys and I was at that time, you know, even early UFC's, I was rolling, I was rolling with all the fighters. And, you know, Mark Coleman, I'd roll with Mark Coleman. That dude was so fricking strong and such a beast.

He didn't have a belt. Well, he's an Olympic level wrestler, but he got no belt. So at a certain point I was like, I don't care about the belt. It's about how well you do. It's about what you know. It's about how well you can do it.

It's about how well you can make somebody else do it. And that's, you know, eventually, you know, I got the belt and that's nice, but then it's just a giant target on your back and everyone wants to tap you out. So if you put on a gi and you go on a thing, everyone's like, I want to roll with you. Okay.

And it's like, here, let's go. Right? And they're going, we'll go harness. And I'll go, here we go. And I do that. I tap real quick, right? And they go, what are you doing? I said, well, I know you wanted to tap me.

So there it was. So now let's roll. Right? And so it's like, I have a good time with it. I love the sport. I love jiu-jitsu because it changed my life. It really did. And it calmed me down.

And one thing that it really did is it changed who I was as far as, you know, importance of for years. I was that guy that, you know, I walked around and I'm a nice person. I like everybody. But if you gave me that look, I would be the first one to look back and I'm going to start to target you

because that was who I was. And the jiu-jitsu changed me. It was like, who cares? Yeah, you can beat me, whatever, you know, but it really changed who I was. It calmed me down. It made me a lot better person. It's doing that for me.

I'm terrible. See? I don't have a belt and I don't want a belt. It doesn't matter. I just go to breathe. I'm all about people wanting to achieve. And if that belt is what you think is your achievement point that you want, awesome, do it.

Let's go from white to blue to purple to brown to black. I don't care, that's great. You know, there's just certain people, you know, BJ got his black belt in four years. I have a girl, you know, that's been with me at my gym, you know, forever. Felicia, oh, she got hers in four years, three and a half years.

Got hers even faster than BJ. And she was phenomenal and was a phenomenal competitor. And, you know, just did an incredible job. But it's not about that, it's not about getting to that point. It's about the journey. That's what's important. And it's what you learn during that journey

and the amount of time and effort that you put into that journey. And the routes that it takes you and the people that you meet and the things that occur, that's what the life of being a martial artist and studying whatever it is, whether it's Jiu Jitsu or Judo or, you know, Kempo or whatever it is you like, that's why you do it.

It's not to be the guy that, you know, this can go out and beat up anybody or something. Look it, there's always gonna be, like I said before, there's always somebody out there that's gonna whip your ass. That is just the way it is. And if you think that that's gonna be what's gonna cover your butt, you know,

the black belt, great, you know, I think Hoy said it best, the black belt covers about two inches of your ass and there's a whole lot exposed. So, you know, you need to understand that it's about experiencing a system and a lifestyle that calms you, centers you, makes you just a better person.

That's what I think it's about. Well, it enhanced my comedy. It's made me way better as a comic. I see something. How did it do that? Can you tell me on that one? To me, when I first rolled onto the Jiu-Jitsu, I was 49 years old.

I'm still overweight. When I first did a hip escape, I thought my fucking, I thought I was gonna die. When I was first told to do that first hip escape down that roll, I thought I was gonna die. I had never established, and I played tackle football. I played high school basketball. I did it all.

I thought that that was just amazing. I thought I was gonna die. The first three times I went to Jiu-Jitsu, I thought I was gonna die. I really did. There were parts where I was like, I can't believe I'm doing this. This is ridiculous.

I gotta take aspirins and write a will if I keep coming to this shit, because I'm gonna fucking die. But I liked it so much, and I was so bad at it, and it brought me back to comedy. When you first get into comedy, after about a year, you're stuck, and you're like, I can't wait to perform at the punchline.

I can't wait, but you can't. You can't. You're not ready. You're frustrated, and that's what I am now. It frustrates me. This time, I'm like, fuck it, I'm not gonna go, because I'm never gonna get better, but it's like, I gotta go to get better.

When I walk outside Jiu-Jitsu, and I say this in front of Mrs. Mack, I got the biggest dick in the world. When I finish, and now I wanna have class, me, for me. Feel good about yourself. It's so fucking hard for me. When they grab me, and I'm on the bottom, and a guy's bead falls in my eye,

and his sweat's burning my fucking eye, and I can't breathe, and I don't know, and that, to me, is where you wanna be put every day, because everything else seems easy. Nothing. Traffic on the 405, bitch, I had a 200-pound guy going for my fucking neck for an hour and a half. I gotta look straight ahead for three weeks.

I can't even look, you know. These little things, when I walk out of Jiu-Jitsu, you can't stop me. That hour, that's better than cocaine, that's better than sex. It's better than anything I have, because I know how hard it is for me. I know how hard it is for me.

I see 20-year-olds fucking dying, drenched, sweating, so I know a 52-year-old doing it that's 100 pounds or weight, and that's never done it. If I would've wrestled in high school and two years of college, okay, I would've had some basics. I know, you know, I get somebody with neon belly. I go for a fucking ride.

You know, Hegan loves neon belly, neon belly. How many times have I landed on my fucking head? He has a load, too. Oh my God, but I'll go back. And I said it on the Rogan podcast that this to me, I know, I suck now. I'm horrible at fucking Jiu-Jitsu, I, oh, doesn't matter. But it doesn't matter to me.

Because I know I'm gonna get better, just like it makes me doing the comedy for all those years taught me that I could do this. It's just gonna click one day. It might take three years, it might take six years, it might take eight years, but one day, it's all gonna come together. The movements, the fucking sweeps, I'm gonna get it.

Now you get on top of me, it takes me 20 minutes to think about by the time the bell goes off, I still didn't, what was I supposed to do? I don't fucking know. Let me give some shout outs real quick. Oh shit, Lisa, how you feeling? Good, right? I'm good, buddy.

It's a beautiful day to be alive. You're with the Jews. I wanna remind me of something. I gotta tell you about this thing I watched here today, this documentary, because it had to do a lot with the police. Sean Jones, I love you, cock sucker. Paul Lynch, Renean Carcion, the Puerto Ricans, Lista Thomas, Paul Crestor, 23, 23, Phillip Fletcher,

Don Wrangler, and Eric Costanada. I love you, cock suckers. Have a great weekend. Anybody who's seen the documentary robbed? No. Oh shit. What's it about? It's about Jim, it's about Norton, Ken Norton,

and Muhammad Ali, the third fight at Bronx, in the Bronx. That was at Yankee Stadium. Yankee Stadium, horrible. Oh my God, Norton won, I can never watching that fight, and I was like, I couldn't believe they gave it to Ali. Ali could not handle Norton's style. Oh my God, Norton was hitting him, yep. If you think LeVar Johnson hits fucking hard.

Oh my God, Norton was big, athletic, and his technique. That overhand right he was throwing was fucking brutal. You could hear it, just every time he hit his arms or something, you could just hear it. But it wasn't what was going on in the stadium. That's what this documentary's about. It was about what's going on outside the stadium with the New York Police Department,

how they couldn't handle it. Oh, you gotta see this shit. I gotta watch it. So what happened was all these people, to get a ticket to go see a boxing match in 1970, it was still 50 bucks, 50 bucks is a lot of money, a hundred bucks is like a thousand now. So all these people came up from the suburbs,

and they basically just went up there to get robbed. And there were so many people getting robbed. It was the time with the Warriors, all those gangs in New York. So all these gangs were there robbing people, and there's a part where the newscaster, the guy goes, I remember being outside, and people getting taken down and yelling for the police,

but the police were so overwhelmed they were just turning their backs to people. Ah, I see you can't. Oh my God. I couldn't do that. No, me neither, I don't know what. Couldn't do that. The one cop goes, there was a point

where there were 75 people, and I was there by myself, cops were all over running, breaking up fights, the people were taking cars. He goes, it was just one of the worst nights ever in New York, but it wasn't about the fight. It was about all these people that had just been humiliated, robbed, just they took their jewelry, their cash. I'm the way out, because the cops had him planned for it.

Like they had never really, Bob Aram was the promoter. Bob Aram was crying. He's like, I felt terrible. He goes, first I got this Ken Norton crying. Ken Norton was fucking crying. He's a man, a grown man, bigger than LeVar Johnson. Like he's saying LeVar Johnson.

Is that his name? Yeah. LeVar Johnson, he's not in the UFC no more. No, he's a Bellator. Bellator, no, he fucking used this guy, but him. Good guy. Gorilla, he got shot? He's a comfortable boy.

Oh yeah, yeah, he got shot. He's a comfortable boy. At a family, family party. It was at a family party, I think it was in Fresno. Oh, it wasn't here? He's not from down here? No, he's from Fresno area and he was up just at a party and people drove by and words exchanged and he got shot.

You were also here for the Hey Day of Gangs. Oh yeah. You really think about it? Absolutely. Now when I did time in Colorado, I did time with a Crip. Really, really, and I know you're looking at me crazy. Really good guy, really good guy. I mean, I really liked this kid.

He was just a young kid. He had grown up in Compton and that's all he knew, drugs. You know what, look at him. Absolutely, you know, what people understand is, and I would get kids, they're stuck because they're going to school, they don't want to be part of a gang and every day of school, they're getting brutalized.

They're getting beat up, they're getting their stuff taken and they're getting it done by gang members and there's one way to keep it from happening. Either be part of that gang or part of the gang that it's gonna protect you from. And eventually they just succumb to it and say, I need help and those people are, to them, they're family at the time and they start to do it

and then things occur out of it and they start making bad decisions because they have to. You know, if you want to be part of the gang, you're gonna have to do certain things and you're gonna sell drugs and you're gonna rob and you're gonna do some things that are not good and you know, there's all kinds of people that I ran into and not all of them are bad.

They may be a gang member, but they're not all bad. They just make poor decisions and those poor decisions affect their lives and sometimes for the rest of their life. You were here for colors also, right? Oh yeah. Oh shit, colors. That was when I was working gangs when colors came out.

Now all my friends are in that stupid movie. Now the guy that they based that off of, that they based it off of a certain cop or something like that? No, they based it off of South Bureau Crash, which was, Crash was our acronym for our gang and it was community resources against street hoodlums. What a, everything in LAPD had been some stupid acronym,

but that was what the crash was. And they, Sean Penn became friends with a friend of mine named Dennis Fanning. He did the show. Yeah. He did the podcast. Oh really? Yeah, that's how I met him.

And he, you know, he became friends with Dennis and Dennis was part of South Bureau Crash at the time and to start talking to him and then took him on a ride along and that's how the whole thing really started and he became, he was, you know, the main star of the show and stuff, but there's a lot of guys, Dennis is in the movie. He's in there a couple of times and stuff,

so I make fun of him. He's from Chicago originally, you know, just a tough, you know, thick-headed Irishman just like, you know, other guys I know. But, you know, Dennis was just a great guy and his pen just fell in love with him as far as what he did as a police officer out on the streets, you know.

You take, you know, I took quite a few stars out on, ride along as we would call them and they would go out and actually, you know, see us work. And there was ones that were hysterical, you know. I can't remember the one guy's name. He was in, there was the movie with Richard Gere where he was, I want to say. Eternal Affairs.

Eternal Affairs, yeah. He was the husband of the wife that Richard was doing and he came out and I scared him to death. Andy Garcia. No, it wasn't, it was the other guy. Casabetes is his name, last name. I can't think of his first name. Nick?

Yeah, I want to say Nick Casabetes. And he was, you know, he went out on a ride along with me and watched him what we were doing and we got into a little pursuit and he says, he goes, that's it, you got to take me back. I can't take this. I'm going to have a heart attack out of here. And it was, you know, you drive fast,

you sometimes it's scary, sometimes it's fun. But the adrenaline rush is what makes you go back. It's, it's. You have scary days, John? Oh, sure. Absolutely. Anyone? Absolutely.

No shit. Oh yeah. No one hit me though, so I'm good. You see people's reaction when the gun goes off and it's fucking crazy when the cop isn't prepared for that. You know what? You need to always, you know, you always need to be in a position where you don't get surprised by a lot.

And there's times when it can happen because you can get into what we call ambush situations and you can drive into something and it can shock you. But, you know, to sit there and say, you know, don't be afraid, that's stupid. You know, there's certain emotions that we all have. And you know, I talk about fear all the time. And I don't care if it's fear of a situation,

a person, whatever it's going to be. Fear is a normal thing. You know, it's a good thing. It helps you. It makes you aware. It tells you something's wrong here. There are other emotions that are out there like panic. That's a stupid emotion.

If you panic, you're relying on an emotion that's going to do absolutely nothing for you and it's going to only lead you into a worse situation. So, you know, people talk about being courageous and heroes and all that stuff. You know, to me a courageous person, there's no courageous people that didn't have fear because if you weren't afraid,

there's nothing to be courageous about. So, you know, you go and you do certain situations and you walk out of it. And it's one of the reasons where a lot of people sit there and they'll talk about, oh, police officers make fun of things, they joke. You have to, you know, because things occur and you got to laugh about them

or you got to make jokes about them because you see things. You know, there's a certain, again, element of society that, you know, does things to other people that you end up having to see the end results of it. And it's a nasty world at times. And, you know, the average person

will never see those things. And, you know, sometimes you got to make jokes because it's your only way of dealing with it because it's no different than being in, you know, military personnel and going down range and seeing things. You know, the average person has no idea what those military personnel people are doing, what they're seeing.

You know, to have a friend that you're talking to and the next thing is, you know, there's an explosion going off and you see pieces of them, you know, and they're screaming out. Those are things that you just don't forget. You just, it doesn't leave your mind. It's not, oh, we move on to the next day.

They stay with you forever. And there's certain things as a police officer they're gonna stay with you forever. Things that you see, things that you do. Some you're proud of, some you're not. That's just, that's just part of the job. So what makes you go back then? Like if you see like your friend blown up

or someone shoots at you. If that were me, I'd be applying for car dealerships or anything like that. That's okay. But you know what, and again, it's no different than, like I said, there's a rush. And everyone, everybody's different. You know, there's people that are out there

that, you know, I love excitement. I like doing what other people think are scary. It's not scary to me. It's exciting. You know, fighters, you look at people, you know, people look at fighters and they go, oh my God, you know, I couldn't imagine, you know, knowing I was gonna get in a fight and stuff

because they look at it in their own world and they're scared to death of a physical confrontation with another human being because they've kind of had it happen. They've had that feeling that rush of adrenaline has gone through them and all of a sudden they're shaking and they can't stop it. And they go, why would anyone want that?

And they think that's what the fighter gets. You know, and that's not what a professional fighter gets. The fighter's doing things different, but the fighter gets a drug. And this is why a lot of them can't stop, is when you walk out into an arena that's got 17, 20,000 people and all of a sudden the lights go down and this music comes on, that's your music

and you're bouncing and all of a sudden you're coming out and everyone's wanting to touch you. Everyone's screaming your name. Everything is going off. It is a drug that you can get nowhere else. And you can't bottle it, you can't smoke it. It is a drug that only they understand. And when they stop doing it, the drug goes away.

And that's why you see a lot of them going back. Well, it's the same thing with sometimes with police work, depending upon what kind of officer you are and what you're doing. 98% of it is boredom. But 2%, if you're a hard working cop and you're getting into things, that 2%, that's a drug. And if you're that guy that likes that drug,

you always want to go back to it. Putting away somebody for me would be a great day, saving somebody's life. A cat out of a fucking tree. Talking to a kid that got bullied. Those would be the things that would make my day as a cop. But that's good. That's good.

Making a kid feel good. And again, it's like everyone looks at bullying. God damn, I mean, everybody, I don't care who. Everybody has been bullied. If they say no, they're lying. I was bullied. I bullied people, I'm sure. There's people, I actually went to a high school,

a 30 year high school reunion. So I could tell a guy, hey, I just want to tell you, I'm sorry, I was a turd. And he didn't show up. And then I see him, I actually see him at a fight. He comes up and he says, John, right? And I tell him, I said, dude, I just want to tell you, I'm sorry for the way I treated you.

And he goes, you were awesome to me, right? And I'm like, no, I was a shithead. And he goes, I don't remember that. I'm glad you don't remember it, because I do. I was a turd. Everyone is bullied because it's part of human nature. If kids, you watch them and they start, if they can start to dominate something, they do.

It's what happens. And to sit there and tell people, oh, we've got this new problem. It's not a new problem, it's been going on for centuries. The only thing I would say is, and it's because I went through it. And I'm the biggest, I'm not anti-technology, anti-internet at all.

I love, I'm the biggest nerd in the world. But if I had to go through some of the stuff I went through and wasn't able to go home and get away from it, if I was going online and seeing it more and more at night, I can see why people get upset and the kids killing themselves is a lot more drastic than I would ever think. If it's non-stop, all weekend, all night,

I can see where that gets caught. Online, you mean? Yeah. Like Facebook and instant messaging and... But that's why there's karate. And there you go. See, and this is what, for that kid that you're talking about, you're right.

It seems like it's everything. It's their world. Their world is falling apart and they have no idea how to stop it. And it's, the one thing I love out of my gym is the kid program. And all the kids that I have had, I've been open now for eight, nine years.

And some of these kids I've had since they were four years old, five years old. And now they're young men. They don't have problems. Now, part of it is we tell them, if I ever find out you are doing things to other people just because you can, I'm gonna fall on you. I'm just telling you straight out,

your job is to protect those people. Your job is to be the guy that tells everyone, hey, let him be. And put your arm around, it's okay, don't worry about him. I'm always, hey, I'll be your friend. That's your job. But the kids that I have, they have such confidence because they know, they know that if someone

does do something, they're not alone. They know that they can do something. Now, I'm not, they're not supposed to go out and do it, but I have one, there's a kid who's been in my gym forever. He just, as a freshman in high school, I was lucky enough to get wrestling going in the Santa Clarita Valley where I lived for a long time. It's where my gym's at because for 38, 39 years,

it was no wrestling in that valley. Great football, everything, no wrestling. It took me forever to get wrestling back in that valley. This is the first year they have had an actual one high school. Valencia High has a wrestling team for the first year. They came in second in the freelance league, which is everybody together, which allowed them to put four kids to CIF.

And one of the kids, as a freshman, just took second. He got beat by a senior who was ranked second in the state in the last minute of the third round. And this is a freshman. Now, this kid is phenomenal. And everything he has learned, he's learned at my place, but he is confident in everything he does. He's got a sister that is gorgeous and she's being bullied.

And her parents brought her into meets for me to sit down and talk to her and talk to her about, look it, this is what you need to do. This is what I brought up her brother. I said, tell me, how many people you know? I said, your brother's younger. How many people are picking on Chance? She goes, nobody.

They're all afraid of him. I go, why? Because he picks on him. She goes, no, they just know. And I go, he has confidence. I want you to have confidence too. Because the more confident you are as far as who you are as a person, it doesn't mean you have to be confident

that you can beat people up, but the more confident about who you are as a person and what you stand for, the better off you're gonna be in everything you do. That's why the Jitsu is helping me with it. That's exactly it. That's why. That's it.

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I figured you talk about him every fucking day of the week, or Jiu-Jitsu, let's talk about the police thing. It was very interesting to me. And when I saw that, I thought you were a cop from 91 on. I got good. Because I was just telling Lee, when O.J. killed his wife, I was living in Boulder and I was going through a divorce.

And I wanted to kill that bitch. So I was watching this whole O.J. thing very fucking closely to see how I was gonna get away with my fucking murder. See if I was gonna use a Bronco or maybe a Blazer, that to me, you know, I've read all those books. I wanted to be, before I got my felony, John, I wanted to be a lawyer.

I got into the University of Colorado and as a Latin, they were gonna let me into a law school. I would have had to take a test and then I got the felony and I got in trouble. So I read all those things. I read the Tupac book out of Rampart. I read all the O.J. information I could. I watched Law and Order.

That's my favorite fucking show of all time. You know, when my mother died, I moved in with a family and the middle child was a cop. I hung out with the younger guy. But the middle guy sold pot when we were kids and I was always tight with him. Then one day he became a cop. He cleaned up his life and became a cop.

And he had the 12th to 8th shift and he would tell me, I get bored out there. You want to ride around? And he would pick me up at 12. I was a sophomore in high school. I'd go buy a six pack of Coors Light and I'd just sit in this car and I'd drink in the beers. He'd be with the speed gun.

Seeing the cars go by and he'd go, 80, what do you think? Nah. 78, what do you think? Nah. And then he would, if he got a bad call, he would drop me off and he would go do it. But I've always had, even though I had trouble growing up,

I always had a certain respect for cops. And I like hearing about it. I want to see your side of the fucking fence, you know? I mean, it's funny you said that about when we get pulled over and we think, I robbed a jewelry store one time, okay? Before we robbed the jewelry store, the jewelry was going to go in the trunk.

But when we robbed the jewelry store, the trunk wouldn't fucking open. Wouldn't fucking open. Now we got this thing of jewelry, the people going, run back, call the police. Ah, and we throw the jewelry in the back seat. My friend sitting, one guy sits here, one guy sits here. I sit in the back seat.

I can't even see my feet. It's covered with all the jewelry. We're pulling away, we hear the sirens coming. We pull up to a red light and we see a cop coming at us. And he stops with the red light, even though his things are on it, cause he's got things, and all of a sudden, you hear ch-ch-ch, and the trunk just opened up by itself

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We had a spackle bucket and we were drinking. He wasn't drinking, but I was drinking with my buddies in the car. He was like, uh, he had a hepatitis or some shit, so he couldn't drink. So we were snorting coke and getting fucked up. It was five in the morning. Cop pulled us over.

He's looking in the back seat. I mean, I thought we were gonna wait. I would've just been getting out of jail now. And all of a sudden, he got a call. And he goes, just drive fucking slower next time. And he took off and we're like, whew, whew. So you never know. Sometimes you do, I mean, I don't know how many times

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Thank you very much, man, for doing this for me on Sunday. My pleasure, brother. I've been dying to get you on, and I'm happy you came down. Very interesting police stories. I love all these. It's very cool, because it's a big hot button issue right now. And a lot of people have a lot of negative things to say. And a lot of it's warranted when you see some of the videos.

A lot of the cops are being... Some of it is. But you don't get to hear the other point of view. If you've known me on the show, I always talk about something and I've never brought it up. Because before I could judge it, I got to be in that fucking car. I don't know what would happen in St. Louis.

I know kind of what happened in Staten Island with the guy who choked him. I didn't like that one either. I didn't like that one. In St. Louis, I don't know what happened. And it's like anything, you know, it's their word against mine, mine against theirs. Who the fuck knows?

Right. Half the people that didn't know Michael Brown, they're out there looting again. You know, it's an excuse to do... It's, you know, what's the old saying? Addage that our mom should say, two wrongs don't make a right. That's true.

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