Uncle Joey's Joint with Joey Diaz - #490 - Bill Herenda

Episode Date: June 15, 2017

Bill Herenda, an NBA and College Basketball analyst as well as the morning sports anchor for KFBK in Sacramento, joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt LIVE in studio. This podcast is brought to you by:  Meundies.com Go to meundies.com/JOEY for 20% off of your first order. Hellotushy.com - Go to Hellotushy.com/church for 10% off of your order of portable devices that spray your butt with water.   Onnit.com. Use Promo code CHURCH for a discount at checkout.   Recorded live on 06/14/2017.


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20% off your first pair. Meondies.com slash joey. Kick that fucking mule, Lee. There's what I'm talking about. Your little midweek finger up the ass of Uncle Joey coming at you. Nothing like a finger up the ass midweek. To let you know you're slipping, cock suckers.

Kick that mule, Lee. Why am I fucking going deaf here? I just need a bag of mold. Oh shit. Kick that mule, Lee. What's the speakers? I wanna see smoke coming out of the speakers. Mr. Churchill, what's happening now?

Mr. Churchill, what's happening now? Coming at you. June 14th, you bad motherfuckers. Here you go. Little young Angus for you. Here we go. Oh shit. Oh shit.

There you go, cock suckers. This little soul stripper for you. Uncle Joey here. It's a beautiful Wednesday night. My main man, Billy, horrendous in the house tonight. And my main nephew, Mr. Lee Syat, the ultimate goomba of death. How are you, my friend?

I'm doing okay. I'm worried about that mold. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? We mold every fucking day, you know what I'm saying? Is that the first time you've eaten a moldy edible? I guarantee I've eaten a lot of mold in my day. Do you ever eat bread midway through the sandwich?

On white bread, you're like eating fucking mold on tuna. Then you start getting worried and you're drinking milk. No, you can do. You eat mold every day. I hope the THC burns the mold or something. The antibiotics in my stomach. If not, I'll drink some compucha juice and I'll be right back.

Billy, horrendous, what's happening, my brother? Terrific to be here. I know. Absolutely. I'm happy that you're here. To see you and Lee and your countenances up front, this is tremendous. This is tremendous.

Absolutely. I joined you guys a while ago on the phone, but to be here is extra special. Thanks for having me. No, I always want to have you on. I know Billy since 1978, which made him 11. In 78, around there. 11.

If I was 14, I was headed to five-star basketball camp with his older brother. His dad drove us and Billy sat there salivating from the fucking mouth. We're about to go to fucking five-star basketball camp. How about that? Yeah. The premier basketball camp in the country.

You'd be brown out there breaking it down? We had Rick Petino. Who else was there that week? The guy from Army? That's not Friends with Tensulo? No. Chechevsky was there before Duke? Yeah.

Way before Duke. Who else? The guy that's Friends with Tensulo? Who coaches Texas? Who coaches Texas? Well, Shock is smart now, but Rick Barnes? No. You think about Rick Barnes?

Curly-head guy. Oh, Tom Penders. Tom Penders. There you go. Yeah, exactly. With somebody from Boston College or something like that back then. Yeah.

That's right. He was at Fordham as well, I think. Roosevelt Bowie? Dominic. What's his name? The guy from Atlanta? Well, you know what it was. Dominic Wilkins.

I'll never forget this. When you guys got back, my brother Greg says to me, he goes, hey, you know, there's this guy, remember the same. Dominic Wilkins. Dominic Wilkins. He was on his team. Yeah, he was on his team. He was on his team.

Yeah, I bet that. Kenny Denard from Duke? Yeah. You know? Who else? Cheese Johnson from New Mexico State. Yeah. Cheese Johnson.

You know what Cheese Johnson's claimed to fame was? The first time they showed Bird on national television. Yeah. You had to cover them. Oh, really? Yeah, because Bird was like Division III or something. Well, in the United States. Whatever the fuck it was.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in those days, they only showed Division I games. So here they're like 8-0, 9-0, 10-0. How did that work? The camp? Because didn't, I mean, did the NCAA change the rules? Because now athletes can't make any money. No, no, they didn't make any money then either.

They were just doing it to be nice? What's that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You go up there as a counselor and you get exposure. Because that guy, Howie... Garfinkel. Who recently passed away. He passed away recently.

He knew everybody. He could make a call and solve all your problems. Oh, that's amazing. He could make a call and solve all your problems. Yeah. So you had the best college basketball players in the country. In the country. For free.

For free. Wow. No, no, maybe they just, yeah, they didn't get paid. Well, you were there, you know, as a high school kid, you were there for exposure and for exposure for these college courses. I was in the 8th grade. Right. So yeah, on the way up...

I think your brother was a freshman. That makes sense. Yeah. Your brother was a freshman at St. Peter's Prep. Yeah. I was in the 8th grade. I went to... That year, I went to five-star booze with Robert Kingstone.

Yeah, booze. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was in Vineland, New Jersey. Yeah. Yeah. And I went to... Oh, I went to superstar. That's right.

But I went to superstar the year before. That was Hurley's camp. Yeah. I went to superstar the year before with the kid that went to Boston College from St. Hudson College. Oh. Rick Weiner. Yes.

Yeah. Wow. And the both... Corrin didn't show, but the other guys both showed. The Spongebob Brothers. Spongebob Brothers. Yeah, yeah. Both showed and it was just a different time.

Classic stuff. You know, the distinction that Billy and I have, that Lee talks about and everybody who listens to a podcast has, is that if you're a certain age, we grew up in the same delicatessen and that made us brothers. I mean, that made us because we were... I'd see you in there every goddamn day and I'd speak about them all the time. It's called hashways and Billy lived right around the corner from them and there was a basketball court that belonged to the church right next to hashways.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It was wizards. Pinball. Pinball place. We used to buy acid. Then it was like hashways. Yeah.

Then it was the liquor store, which was always there. Right. Frank Asheone worked at the liquor store right even before. So we grew up, you know, you went there at three o'clock and you stayed there till seven. And in the meantime, you drank six cokes from hashways. There was no bottled water in those days. There's no fucking bottled water. It was the iced tea in the container.

The iced tea in the container. Yeah. Yeah. And you ate a... I was telling him my favorite hashway sandwich was roast beef with Swiss on rye bread with mayonnaise, light salt and pepper, fucking a bag of wise potato chips and a fucking 16 ounce bottle of Coca-Cola or I would get the Turkey Swiss. That was your backup?

Your backup sandwich? That was my backup Turkey Swiss on a fucking baguette with the wise potato chips and the whole jar of pepperoncinis or there was another one, ham and cheese. But then when I wanted the good shit, I went around the corner to Fifth Avenue Deli and I get the wet mutz with the ham with the fucking roasted tomatoes. Are you for the roasted fucking peppers? Peppers. Yeah.

Are you fucking kidding me? So it wasn't like a deli rivalry? You could cross enemy lines and go... Yeah. Yeah. I think he even went there. We had a friend that owned the funeral parlor and they had sauce there. Oh, yeah.

It was more like... That was before hashways got into hot food, you go Fifth Avenue Deli and even Roses. Roses. Remember Roses, you'd buy a sandwich, Lee, right? I'll never forget this. You would buy a roll and just the sauce, not even the meatballs. It was like 50 cents without the meatballs, probably like a buck 50 with the meatballs. And the other thing, this is the classic hashway story, everyone had a bill.

So you walk in and on the register, there were all the receipts. All the bills were still there, right? So one Saturday and they were like these, the receipts, the old school, and they'd write your name down. So one day, hot August day, I go around the corner and I bump into Tommy Parker and he goes, Bill, Joe, shut me off, sky high, you won't serve me anymore, my bill's too big. He goes, go in, get me a sandwich and bring it out and put it on your bill and I'll pay you back.

I said, sure, no problem. Joe goes, what do you want? I said, roast beef, mustard, cheese, lettuce, tomato. I remember that story. He wouldn't give it to you. He says, get the hell out of here, that sandwich is for Parker. I came out. I've never seen anyone more disappointed because Tommy was deflated that I couldn't get the

sandwich. Now we had tons of food in this area, but hashways was hashways and hashways was hashways until about seven years. When we shot the documentary, we went to hashways and there was no roast beef and I said, fuck this motherfucker. You ruined the whole trip for me. You ruined the whole trip for me. I think I'm kidding.

I was like, no roast beef at one o'clock. What the fuck is going on here? I've never seen you complain at like a restaurant before. He like, I think you, didn't you say something to someone there or are you leaving? Gary, I told you. I told him. I told him. And now Gary died.

So now I feel fucking terrible because I made a big deal about the roast beef. I just was on a plane for five hours, cock sucker. One o'clock, your mother will be on the third roast beef by now and you don't have one out of the oven yet. I did that once. How about, remember Tedesco's in West New York, the restaurant? Yes. Tedesco's.

So my brother Tony loves, loves their muscles, right? He loved their muscles. So I came out to visit him. He lived in LA. He lives out in the desert now, right? So he said, okay, don't forget the muscles. So I stayed at my buddy Frank Seattle's house in Jersey City the night before we left to come out to LA, fly from Newark and we're over a date in Ohio and I said, oh, I forgot

the muscles. My brother wanted to throw me out of the house. He didn't want to let me in. I told you. Because he was all fired up, bringing the muscles. I told Lee, we don't fuck around. I don't give a fuck. If you better get back on that fucking plane and go back and get the fucking muscles.

When I first lived in Boulder, if anyone asked me, if anybody came to visit me, they had to bring something. Like, don't come out until you. Like George came out, I made him bring 10 Cuban sandwiches. So this day he tells me, you don't know how embarrassing that was, walking on that plane with those 10 Cuban sandwiches stinking up the Cuban plate. I mean, it was terrible. What do you miss?

Because we talk a lot about food, obviously. We like Chinese food. We like all that stuff. What do you think you miss the most? Me? Yeah. Hashwares. Really?

Even though it doesn't exist anymore? I still... It was more than the food. We grew up with them. When you grow up with somebody and you have tabs and they know all your creepy shit, because after we got all older, they were still there. We showed up as innocent kids. I mean, Billy was always a great kid.

Billy got in no trouble. But we showed up there as young kids that played basketball and we might have drank six beers and puked. And then one day I remember Mr. Hashwares out there saying, I don't know what happened. Because we robbed the beer trucks and they'd pull up to the liquor store. The worst story ever was the morning I got up after disappearing for a week and this drug dealer was chasing me. And I ran to Hashwares.

That's right. That's right. And Mr. Hashwares went outside and told him to get the fuck out of here. He took care of the business. I had thrones all over me because I jumped into All-Aidia Fatima into the basement and all those roses were there. I got thorns everywhere. And then instead of getting out of there, I kept running in the fucking patch.

And I had a thousand thorns on me. So I came out there and I dodged across the street and ran right to Hashwares. And all of a sudden I hear him knocking on the glass. Come out of here. I'm going to fucking shoot right through the glass. Mr. Hashwares took his apron off. He ran out there. He goes, listen, you motherfucker.

I don't know who the fuck you are. Get the fuck out of here before I call. He came in. He went off on me. He went off. You see, that's the thing is that you hit the nail on his more than it was like a happening. It was a social hub. I mean, it was, you know, the personalities, the characters, and also the pace.

You know, there was like a daily like, like you'd walk over there, you'd meet in the morning and Parker would roll in Dorita would walk in and you had your crew that you walked to school with. I'll never forget Tommy Parker. He worked on that poem for Mrs. Nass in seventh grade. So you went to Horace Mann. I went to Horace Mann. Okay.

Then you went to St. Peter's Prep. Then I went to St. Peter's Prep. Like my brothers. My mom sent me down to prep down to downtown Jersey City, but walking with Parker, I'll never forget. He takes his notebook out and he says, oh, I wrote, I finished that poem for Mrs. Nass. I don't remember all the verses, but this verse I remember, clumps of lead fill this head and soon we all knew Anastabe would be dead.

It was like a president's day poem that Parker had to write. It's tremendous. So Parker lived across the street from you. Yeah. Over the trophy store. Right. The drugs to Joseph's. Yeah.

Exactly. Yeah. And then you would walk up that block. You would meet at Hashways and then walk to Horace Mann. And then walk to school. Yeah. There was like that whole daily, you know, pace of life and then you'd walk. We'd walk for lunch either the Hashways, then this is in grammar school now, or I'll

never forget we would go to White Castle where his mom worked, but we could never get back for one o'clock. The walk was too long, you know what I mean? So whenever we were feeling like really rebellious, we'd go to White Castle anyway and roll in at like 12, 15, 12, 20. But a lot of times we, you go to the window, you order a cheeseburger, an orange soda and a shake. And if the manager wasn't around, they gave you bags.

So on the way back, you would give him food away, even like you'd curry favor with whatever teacher was checking you in. You got there a little late with the Hashways. Fucking White Castle. I can't believe they let you walk to White Castle. They didn't let you. They didn't let you. Well, oh, was it that thing that you were supposed to like walk home or something?

Like that was. Yeah. You were either going to go home for lunch or you could eat lunch at the school and then play at the playground. At the high school, when I was a freshman, they let you out for lunch. Then they made a new rule, no more leaving the premises for lunch. So you had to leave out the side door and then come back to the side door. So we had doors that they wouldn't be monitored as that.

We knew where they wouldn't be monitored as that. And I always went to lunch with Bress, which meant that this was somebody's son, somebody who mattered. If they got nailed, I got nailed. You ain't comforted. Yeah. So I would go out to lunch with Askelis. What's going to happen to me?

Right. You know, I was telling these guys, you know, we come from a very unique place. You know, like it's, it's, it's why we're still ticking. It's why we came out here the whole thing. And I still remember that my sophomore year, my sophomore year, the Massey Cadillac. Yeah. Was that who was in North Bergen? The Massey.

I believe so. Yeah. D-E-M-A-S-I. Yes. The Massey Cadillac donated two Cadillac somethings, two door, like the car that Alonzo had in training day. Oh, okay. Got you.

That two car, the two door. It was something like that. What they did was they put alternate pedals on the other side and they gave it to North Bergen High School as a driver's, driver's ed car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They gave, like, a muscle? Like, like, like, no, there wasn't a muscle car. It was a Cadillac.

It was a Cadillac. Still a Cadillac. Before the rims and shit. They gave you two Cadillacs and then you had to give it back at the end of the year and then the next year they give you another car. That's not the point. The point was that there was a teacher named Mr. McGrath. You know who's so marked.

Yeah. Yeah. You were in jail. Correct? No, there was Sean McGrath, too. Right? Sean. Yeah, yeah.

Mark is the same. Got a fucking pimple on my back. Should you put the microphone next to it when it pops? No, it's not going to pop. It's one of those underground ones. I hate those. Dr. Chinese can't pop this one. What's that Chinese woman who pops pimples on fucking?

Oh, pimple popper. Pimple popper. So, uh, Mr. McGrath was the driver at it. It started very innocently. It started with three people had to put their name on a list at 10 o'clock. Like, if you had Jim, instead of Jim, you would drive with Mr. McGrath once a week and it would all count towards your license. So you, three of us were getting the car with McGrath and it started with you going to White

Castle and then turning the car around and you would get in it. Okay. You'd rotate? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And then the third driver would end at the Richfield Circle and then you'd turn around on Tunnelier Avenue and you'd drive back to the high school.

That's how it started. That was the first month. Damn. We used to go, Mr. McGrath, you're hungry. You know, I can't stop the car. What do you mean you can't stop the car? You can do whatever you want. You got no cops behind you.

So we started tormenting him and then we would make him take us, we, one day he passed the circle and he wanted to chance parking lot. So we're like, Mr. McGrath, stop the car. Why? Hold on. And somebody got out of the car. He's like, where's he going? He came out with ribs and fucking steak on his thick.

So after like 10 minutes, yeah, he comes out yelling, Mr. McGrath, that's not allowed in the car. Finally, he ate one of the ribs. He's like, okay, so now we had him. So now every day it was the same thing, McGrath, let's go up to the Chinese restaurant. No, shifting gears just a little bit. You know, Coco is very modest with his game. Your game was very crafty.

Oh, bad. Your hoop game. Oh, my hoop game, yeah. You and Parker had similar games, you know, kind of like that John Bagley, Kyrie Irving of this era, you know, UB Brown said that Kyrie Irving is the best finisher in the game, best finisher at the rim. And you and Parker kind of shared that in common. I remember your game as being good ball handler, good feel for the game.

You were disher. You were swisher, defender. You were hungry. I just want to make sure we talked a little bit about your game. I don't want to get out of the park a lot and we'll get to that story later. But this went on. So it started with, then there's a Dairy Queen. How old is Miss McGrath, do you think?

Miss McGrath had to be 50 at the time, 48, 49, 45. And a trio of 16-year-olds. We talked them into going to Chance and then there's a Dairy Queen right there. So we said, Miss McGrath, what the fuck? We're already here. Joey, we can't. Coco, you got to stop. Come on, let's go to DQ.

And we go to DQ and get a fucking Mr. Misty float. And then that went on for like three months. We started like a 15 minute, like two minutes to run in and then we eat it and then we pull out before the school, dump all the evidence and go back to the school. Then that started. Then it got to the point where we go, Miss McGrath, forget Chance, forget Dairy Queen. Let's go get an A-Pack. We get an A-Pack of nips, you know, and four of us would drink, too, except Mr. McGrath.

So we would split the third one. I mean, that's the shit we grew up with. You know, you said something interesting to me, and it's funny, last night, as I was getting dressed to go do comedy, I thought you would mention this about basketball. And I might as well tell you the stories as you mentioned it, you know. I was all in, bro. I was all in. I got hooked on pussy in the seventh grade and the girl was supposed to give me a piece

of ass at the end of the seventh grade. She didn't give it to me and I fell apart. I ended up going to summer school. I was in love with her. She made me come over and dry hump her. I just couldn't focus. Finally, we broke up and I got left back in the seventh grade and it was fucking heart wrenching for me because I was always an intelligent guy.

Yeah, yeah. You know, I'm not the, I'm no Phi Beta Kappa, but I shouldn't have gotten left back. I always got B's and A's and shit like that. And I was always the type of guy that just took notes and listened and so by the failure that I felt that left back that year, for me to get everything back, I just dedicated myself to basketball. We were all in seven. My seventh grade year when I got left back, I joined the team finally.

Yeah. All in fucking seven. The North Bergen. Really? Me, Chucky, David Ruiz. I mean, these are guys that could ball. You got talent. Yeah.

Who were you playing? Frankly. Oh, you're on the road. You must have been on the road. Oh, and we were, we were frank. We only played. Oh, you played in the Grammar Schools. Yeah, you played two, you played two teams.

You played against three teams. You played the meets twice. You played them once at home, once at there. Yeah. So you had Franklin Lincoln School, which all fucking, they went to the games chained up. You know, they were coming to the games of balls on their ankles and shit, and you had Kennedy School.

And Kennedy School was right where North Bergen talent started. Rugo was down there. Yeah. Coach Pickinich and Calandrillo down there. That's where they were teammates and they had somebody else down there. They had three people from the state team. Louis Cruz, maybe. Greco.

Steve Greco. Yeah. And the fuckers grew up together down there. Yeah. That's what nobody knew. Kennedy School, that Rugar guy who tended out to be gay, you know. Really? Even Cocoa Spinoza lived like a mini.

That's what I heard. Really? Is that right? Yeah. That's what I heard. They run a boys' club somewhere in the heart of the country. What's a boys' club? Like a boys' club where people go and play basketball and you shoot arrows and you fucking,

whatever. It's a boys' club. And then, you know, also, Robert Fulton, too, was another school one, but I know you say that. You had the downtown. All right. On the uptown. The uptown was Fulton, Horace Mann, A and B. Right.

You had the second grade team and you had Anel Klein. Oh, that's right. They were in there. So you had the two Horace Mann teams. Robert Fulton with Glendonti, Archie Manning, and then you had Anel Klein with Dovallier and Chuck Toro. Yeah. You had good little fuckers.

Yeah. So my seventh grade, yeah, I was 0 and 7. That made, not only did I get left back, but I'm on a team that sucks ass. So dawg, I didn't stop. You know, I know for a fact that if you get to something and you stick with it, something happens because I did it in the seventh grade. I went from being a fucking zero. I still remember going to Union City Washington school because in those days you could use

addresses. So let's say I was friends with Lee and Lee lived in West New York. Yeah, sure. Why? Because I'm playing for the wreck. That's what you did. Right. You went to competition.

You know, you went everywhere. So I joined Union City basketball league and I'll never forget the first time I joined Union City's seventh grade basketball league was at Robert Waters. Yeah. Wow. Yes. Yeah. And I kept getting called for three seconds.

I didn't even know what three seconds were. Three seconds. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? I left there and I go, what's a three second violation? And I'm like, you can't stand in the paint. They painted it. I offense. I did not know this.

Like that's why I learned all this shit. Right. So you would just go to different cities and then on Sundays you take your bicycle and you go down to Gilmore school and that's where Dracula played. There was a Cuban kid. His name was Dracula. That was slam dunking and shit. He was just too stupid and Mahoney and all those guys were playing there on Sundays,

on Saturdays. Naturally you just got demolished. You got your basketball, you put it in your 10 speed in the middle and you rode your bike on Kelly Boulevard, 80 fucking miles on Saturdays going from court to court. So I learned how to get good. My seventh grade year was horrible. By the time I made the eighth grade, I was starting. I was also playing for St. Michael's CYO.

I also played the 13, the 15 year old league at Horace Mann on Friday nights. Do you know what? I'm the fact that I got to bring it for you. When my mom died, my godmother told me to put away a box with everything that was important to me. And I put a trophy in there from the 13 to 15 year old all-stars, but I also put a, my name never came out in the paper, never. And one Friday in 78, it snowed all week in North Bergen.

The school system was completely closed. I remember having it lost into you. So they opened up Friday night. The only thing that they kept alive was that basketball league at Horace Mann on Friday night at six o'clock, because by that time, you know, the snow was pretty much gone. And I'll never forget going up there, there was nobody in the stands, nobody dead to get in the bus. We'd have 20 people in the stands on Friday.

There was two games. They started at three. The clock kept running. Yeah. There was no timeouts, that type of shit. No, there weren't timeouts, but the clock ran. Running clock. Running clock.

Yeah. And we would go there on Friday nights. And I'll never forget one Friday night I went bananas. And the next day I'd read the paper and I'd say North Bergen 13 year, 15 year old, because everything else was shut down. There was no basketball game, nothing. The only sports was the 13, the 15 year old league and it was the night I had 33 points and it said in the article, Coco Diaz drills home 33 points, fucking 16, I did like a Moses

Malone type and I cut that article out and lead, you know, I still have it. I was going to say, I'm surprised it's not like your Facebook profile picture just like that. Well, I do something like that. That's my own private. So I worked really hard. I worked really my seventh grade year, the year Elvis died. I went to say, I went to while the week Elvis died.

I was in superstar basketball camp. Really? Yeah. I'll never forget. I fucking my father, my stepfather came home. It cost 60 bucks in those days. Wow. My stepfather came home and I used to rob him from time to time in those days.

He'd have a stack of hundreds in a rubber band and I fucking timed them perfectly and he was downstairs. He goes, get my cigarettes or something. I ran up and I took $300 bills and then the next morning I woke up, he didn't say none. He didn't even know he was missing and I go fucking. I took a number one bus to Journal Square. I went to that sporting goods in Journal Square and I bought some badass limousines for the feet and I walked with those motherfuckers to superstar basketball camp.

I walked in, put my 60 on the table and said, sign me up and I won outstanding rebound. That's right. I remember that. Because Richie Reiner'd coached me. He taught me how to box out. Jackie Galoon came by. Who else? I was thinking of him when you were talking about all those different chords.

Yeah, Jackie Galoon came by and he taught us and then that was it. I really loved it. I was hooked. Yeah. You get the success. I would play in the daytime. I would play at night. I read all the books.

I wanted to move to French lick. I wanted to fucking, you know, in the mornings, I'd get up and I'd take 300 jump shots. That was the first thing I did, 300 jump shots, any court, 8 in the morning, bam, 300 in the summer. Pow! After the 300 I went home, lift the weights, jump rope, did wall squats, I used to write letters to all the major colleges to get their training programs. Bill Forrest is the guy from Rutgers, James, what was the guy we were kids, James, he

used to jump. Bailey! James Bailey from Rutgers. Yes, James Bailey, yes. Six foot nine. I never forget. And then I played after Mr. Hurley saw me play basketball at Five Star, Superstar. He put me and Whitey on his AAU team.

That's right, yeah. I sat the bench behind Mandy Johnson and all these savages and I'll never forget we went to play a game and they lost. And he was so hot, Mr. Hurley was furious. We're still in the eighth grade. We're still in North Bergen, all right? And Hurley says, he's yelling on his fucking team. You guys fucking embarrass me, whatever, I don't know, Bob Venable.

Yeah, remember that name? He was young at them and all of a sudden he goes, I had two tickets for you guys to go see Michael Coran in the garden tomorrow night against James Bailey in Rutgers. He goes, I'm giving them to the two visitors and he gave the two tickets to me and Whitey O'Donnell and we went to the garden the next day and we saw Michael Coran on the Jersey City number 31 dropping on the land with Phil Ford was one of the guards and shit. It was fucking mind-boggling, like all those days, you know, and I have to let people know this because this is how much I was into it.

Like I blacked out everything. I just went home to eat. My mom was mad at me. I wouldn't go to the barn no more and help her. My whole life was basketball. And then eighth grade year, we went four and three. At least we were over 500. You only had seven games?

That's all you play. It was seven games. And then I went to St. Michael's did good, but we kept losing to St. Augustine's. They were good. They were always good. Morrell was the coach. The father and the son. Steve Rubinaccio.

That was the rest. He coached me at St. Michael's. But we also were losing to Our Lady of Garages in Hoboken. Our Lady of Grace in Hoboken. All G, we were losing to them all the time. I don't know if this is still open. And it was just, it was everything I knew. It was all I knew.

See, that's the beauty of it. That's all you need. It was a ball and you improved. And we had basketball nets, every park had competition, every park had people there. You went to, I still remember going up there and that fucking Chuckie Thomas would school me. He was tough. Chuckie Thomas.

Yeah. And Hablachek, the little one. And you guys had, Chuckie Thomas was tough. So all those guys, I would battle it with them on those things. And then my fight, it was funny, I was thinking about what happened. So I went to Superstar. I also went to Willis Reed basketball camp. Willis Reed had a basketball camp in the Poconos and I think my seventh grade year I went up

there. That was a very interesting camp. I also went to football camp with Chuckie. I went to Joe Namest. You went to Joe Namest camp. Yeah, I went to Joe Namest camp. Just to learn how to run and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, sure.

So I had done all this prep work. I mean, I told you, Calendrillo called the podcast once. And I even reminded them. I go, one of my memories that summer, that summer was dedicated just to making freshman basketball. My goal was to start freshman basketball. And if you looked at all the particulars, I kept coming back to being the small forward. No matter how you looked at this team, Chuckie Whitey, no matter how you looked at this team,

I still was the small forward. If Chuckie talked about it, I was a good kid out of Annel Klein. Right. There was a couple of good kids, but I was still an offensive machine. I could really drain my green position. I was in that position. I was in there banging it. You know, I went to fucking five-star.

I played every day. I went to every county. I rode my bike. I ran with a weighted vest. I mean, I did it all. You know, at night, we'd run. Me and Kathy Moran would go to McKinley and they had that 100-yard fucking thing. And me and Kathy Moran would time ourselves doing the 40s and 30s and 20s.

And then we would do back and forth to Cincinnati. Right. Yeah. I mean, it was just crazy. We'd do suicide drills. Yeah. We'd do suicide drills. Fucking hard, man.

I would go up to you. Remember the 39th Street Projects? Yeah. Yeah. They used to have a tremendous basketball court in there at night. It was hidden. It had lights. And I would go there and see Sergio Badagi from Union City and the other white kid there.

And that was tough. Union City had a white kid in 826. Wasn't Bobby Gator. Remember Bobby Gator? No, Bobby Gator. He was your player. Yeah, Bobby Gator is our age. This kid was about a year or two old.

You ever do the defensive drill against the wall? Yeah. Oh, by myself? Not here. Not here? No. I'm too old. Well, I'm going to defend the 54.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is it. Come on. Yeah. No, no, no. You stay there until you're shaken, Lisa. Until you're shaken at night. That would be the end of the workout.

That was it? Yeah. When I got home at night after I took a shower and played, like I played ball at night. Yeah, we always played it. Paul Keltos. Paul Keltos would put speakers in his window. Yeah. We would play 38th Street Park.

Mrs. Cardinale would throw us out. Yeah. And then I go home, take a shower, go to the garage, take the weights out. And at the end of the day, I lifted, did all those biometric. Yeah, yeah. I jumped her up in the backyard. I did all that shit. I get the freshman year and everybody's telling me, now you got to play freshman football.

You got to play freshman football because Reed and we're only looking. Danny Reed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went one damn way. Why would I want to play freshman football? Why would I want to do something like this? I played fucking Hoops for a year. I've been dreaming about freshman basketball.

Now you're telling me I got to play freshman football, fucking football. Different seasons, though. Yeah, no, no, no. It's still, you go right from football to basketball because football's got to be over by November 8th or something. And basketball is November 15th. You don't touch the, you can't have a coach in the room to the first. Yeah, they do have strict rules on that.

They still do, but yeah. November 1st is basketball, but you can't have a coach in the room to November 15th. That's no legit tryouts or anything like that. So really, on the first, you start going there at 3.30 and running and playing five on five. Just by yourself as kids? Yeah, as kids, but then on the 15th, the coach comes in. And on the 15th, I tried out. Everything was fine.

We scrimmaged, and the first scrimmaged dog, I didn't start. It wasn't even that I didn't start. It was, I wasn't even playing. I mean, never mind nuts. Okay, so I'm not starting. I'll be a great six man. I learned to live with it. Somebody'll break their fucking head and I'll start.

No, no, I would go to games and not even play. I mean, it was like fucking what the fuck happened. And in practice, they couldn't stop me. Really? Oh, yeah. The first team in practice, that whole, no, no, they couldn't stop me. It was like, I don't understand this. Yeah.

I don't understand this. Did the coach just not like you or something? Just did not. It just did not. So that was Danny Reardon. You were playing for him. He was the freshman coach there, yeah, forever. It's weird.

I wrote a blog of this years ago. Like that took the wind out of me. Those things stay with you. Yeah, for sure. For sure. That freshman year, that was my big, big, big disappointment. Like sitting there and watching these cheerleaders and my friends are coming to the fucking games going.

And I'm like, I don't know. And I mean, we'd be up by 50 and half the bench would be in and I'd still be sitting on the bench like the 12th man. It was an experience I wasn't used to. Coach Hurley called. He's like, hey, you're not starting. No, bro. It was horrible.

It was painful. It was just, and I would go to practice and fucked him up, fucked him up. I mean, fucked him up, rebounded over him and fucking, you know, and it just killed me. It just killed me. Like I walked off that court in February and I was like, I don't know about next year. I don't know. This, you know, people were pulling up, asking me what's going on.

I had people ask for it and it just, I quit. That was it. That cut right through me. That was the, that was strike number one. Then my mom died maybe six months after that. There was no coming back. And I continued to play. I'd play in ash ways and stuff like that, but just not just lost it.

I just lost it. And then about 1998, I was getting high with some people in North Bergen doing shit I shouldn't be doing. And at five in the morning, somebody started playing. No, at five in the morning. Somebody that was there said, Hey man, you know, we bumped into a party about a year ago. We were talking about it.

Danny Reed. Do you remember him? Like, yeah, he goes, he was talking about how much he fucking hated you. Really? Wow. I cut, you know, he, he was kind of racist. There was a part of him that some Spanish people he liked, some he didn't. He just did not like me.

He doesn't till today. And when this kid told me these people were telling me the story at the barbecue, he was saying, I can't believe he ever did something with his life. I didn't see him doing anything. You know, everybody was bothering me for years. He was saying people bothered me that we'd lost that season because I didn't start you. He goes, there was no way that kid was ever going to start on one of my teams. There was no fucking way.

And he just always didn't like me. And it's funny because when he told me that for about two years, I was like, you know what, I'm going to go back to North Bergen and light this motherfucker up one night, find out because he was still doing shit at that time. He was still doing. He was involved somewhere. Now he's done. He's retired.

What would I do? Kick him in the can. I'm going to fucking knock his cane down. So that it just, it destroyed me. I didn't even know how to handle at that age. Like I really did not know. I didn't cry or nothing. I was just in shock.

It was like a, like even the older players were coming to me going, what are the people in varsity? The people, the people who were playing JV like, what the fuck? Then the next year there was no sophomore team and I had lost my comp and somebody, I'm not going to make JV. If I go to JV, that means I'm going to play against Chuck E. Thomas. I'm not going to play against Chuck E. Thomas. I had a hard time.

I forget it. Well, you know, you know, what's interesting too is that, well, that's the Phil Jackson line. There is so many quotes out there, but he says, you know, there's more to life than basketball, but there's more to basketball than basketball. So in other words, you know, there are a lot of life lessons that you learn from the game, both good, bad, you know what I mean? Ups, downs, like Lurals, crazy turnarounds, lady love.

Yeah. But you know what I mean? Like there's so much that it kind of teaches you and you learn through these rough experiences. I think that's one of the things about the game that's great, but also it can, you know, it can break your heart too at the same time. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

That's tough. That, when I played CYO ball, when I played in the eighth grade, I played with Frankie Winters. Wow. Frankie Winters, Mike Hennessey. Chuck E. was an OLF guy. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Sure. Yeah. But why he was with us and something Mahoney played for. Yeah. Yeah. And it was funny because I started in the beginning of the season and then towards the middle and he didn't like me.

Like nothing he didn't like me. We were playing teams and he was like, I'd rather have you come off the bench. That was hard to digest. But after a couple of games, I accepted the sixth man role. Right. Right. But then it was right around the holidays, my eighth grade year. It was like the week after Christmas, we played the CYO Christmas tournament and we

played OLG. Right. And I didn't play the whole game. He played the five guys in the center and I still never forget Rubinaccio giving me a ride home and there was snow out and we're in the bottom of my hill because you couldn't go up to the Bergen hills in those days because of all the snow. And I remember on the wall on that corner, I had written my name on the wall, Cocoa 76, 1976.

And we pulled up and I'll never forget Rubinaccio saying to me, listen man, tonight was not personal. Right. Right. It was a great game. He was telling me, you know, Hennessy's confidence was up, but this guy's was down, I wanted to switch it around. There was nothing in the last four games I started.

Yeah. Yeah. So it was like a player thing. Right. Yeah. Well, you know, that's going to happen, right? They're going to be matchups. There's going to be scenarios.

Somebody's got the hot hand. But a lot of times, if you have at least that open, honest communication, you got to deal with it. I dealt with it. Listen. That song was on the radio. It was the hot song. Don't go trying.

Oh, Billy Joel. Billy Joel. Yeah. That was the hot song. Yeah. Yeah. And I was in the car with him and he looked at me as he dropped me off. He goes, you want to walk up there?

I go, yeah, you're going to get stuck and Steve said, listen about tonight. I know you must be hurt. And I go, I just didn't know what I did. He goes, you didn't do anything. Right. He goes, I had a matchup. Yeah. The center.

I forget who the center on that team was against that forward because he had heels. He could really jump. And he goes, by the time I thought of you, man, we were going to lose. So I didn't want to insult you. And, but that was the only time in all those years that I had a problem. Like I digested it. I'm like, okay. Yeah.

Doesn't really matter because I'm starting freshman year. Right. I mean, it was no matter how you looked at it. I was just right. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't even close to that. I was like the third fucking forward on the team.

He even played Archie Manning more than me. A skinny Filipino kid from Robert Fulton that was uncoordinated as fuck. There's a Filipino guy named Archie Manning out there. Archie Manning. Okay. And we had a kid named Juan Rodriguez at Northbrook. Yeah. I remember Juan.

It was good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Before the kid from Philadelphia. What's the kid, the small guy from Philadelphia a couple of years ago that had the crossover? Iverson? Before Iverson.

I got to tell you something. Yeah. I'm telling you this from 40 years old watching basketball. I have seen some shakes in my life. Yeah. But one of the best shakes I ever saw in my life was Juan Rodriguez. Yeah. Oh yeah.

Juan Rodriguez had a shake move that you could have your hand on his waist. And the next thing you know, you were six feet away from him. And more shakes than Carvel. Yeah. Sergio Badagi had one that he would come with the ball and pick up his legs high. Like machine gun his legs. So on the defense, you didn't really know what you were doing and he would shake you. Juan's shake was a crossover that he would come down dribbling and then you would de-up

on him and he'd wait for you to put your hands down. And he'd cross over on you real quick. But he'd do this, he'd do like a rattle. Like he like, Lee, it was hysterical to watch. Like if you were waiting to play the next game and there was a fast break, you go watch Juan on this move. And Juan would just come down and Austin, the guy would de-up. And next, you know, he was eight feet away and he was on the floor slipping, carrying his shoes.

He was breaking ankles. Oh, he would go like this and then go. Like shake, like a dancer. And you would just fucking fall apart. God rest his soul. He's dead now. But we used to play in Lefty Cortina's backyard by Robert Full. Brian Smite.

Yeah. We used to go to Hoboken in those days and pick up Bob Dubose. Yeah. You know, I was thinking about those. When you mentioned O-L-G, I was thinking about those guys. Miller and Dubose. They both played at B.C. at B.C., yeah. We would pick them up in Hoboken and bring them to Northburg and to Lefty Cortina's backyard.

And we'd play the whole afternoon and they'd be slam dunking. And remember, like that's what's unbelievable too, is there's that feeling of like we got to win or we're going to be done for the day. Yeah. Or we're not going to be able to play because there's so many guys waiting. Eight teams. Yeah. And that intensity was like an unbelievable feeling.

You know what I mean? Like those are things that definitely, I hadn't thought about that in a while, but just that mentality of like, all right, well, we got to bring it here. We're going to be, we're going to be toast. And then people would trade for you and shit. Yeah. Don't fuck you, Don. You don't want to play D.

Fuck you. Coco's on the team now. Fuck that. Fuck that. I already played three games at you. Fuck that. And you get an argument and you chill out. Yeah.

Call your own fouls. You're right. It teaches a lot of crazy lessons. I remember one time on the bus, I fought it. I hadn't gone to the bathroom in like six days. I had like a clog in my asshole and we played against East Orange Ghosts. The Ghosts. Was that an AAU team?

No, no. East Orange High School? This is high school. Yeah. Okay. East Orange Ghosts. So the Ghosts of. Trying to figure what their nickname was.

The Ghosts of. Not Clip. Not. It was a black school and they were called the Ghosts. I fucking know when I was scared. That's all I know. You know what I'm saying? And we lost to them.

And we went in the bus and people were scared. And I hadn't gone to the bathroom for like three or four days. And I remember farting and cheerleaders were crying. Like they were crying because they couldn't open the windows and shit. And then I would switch them up and Mr. Barone said, oh, he's switching flavors. The girls were holding on to their noses. Oh my God. No, that was your right.

But that was like your cocoa too. Like playing at prep in Jersey City. That whole league was a whole Jersey City League at that time. So you play St. Anthony's. It would be David Rivers and Kenny Wilson. And they went to Notre Dame and Villanova. And then you play Ferris and Daryl Wilson went to Florida State. And then you play St. Mary's.

There'd be Kenny Coleman. He played at New Haven. So every game was like a war. You know what I mean? Of guys that were really talented. And I'll never forget the guy that I had the toughest time guarding was a guy by the name of Tracy Mitchell who played at TCU. And we were working out up at UMass Lowell during the off season.

So we come into an open gym and this guy's out there playing. And I'm playing against this guy. And I'm literally like, I got to guess which way he's going because he's using me. I just could not stay with him. And he ended up being like right on the fringe of in today's world. He would be like, if he wasn't with the Celtics, he'd be with the main red clause. He'd be in the D League. You know what I mean?

He's like on the fringe of like was it was one of the last cuts like three or four consecutive years. And it's like, you know, you get to those moments like and it's like seeking out the best talent because you want to get better. You want to raise your game. You want to test yourself and see where you're at. And then you get to a point where it's like, wow, this is definitely a different. This is a different level. And Tracy was one of the I'm friends with him on Facebook. You can find him there.

And he's one of these guys that it would be great because I was big into like, like the gear, like the T shirts and I'd have shirts. And so he will like give me like TCU gear. And I'd give him like, you know, I don't know. I probably had a stash in North Bergen stuff in my like a reversible. We trade all these jerseys and stuff. But but that was the beauty of the game. You know, the personality is testing yourself all the traveling bouncing around. Were you happy that you went to St. Peter's Prep?

Or did you wish you could have gone to North Bergen? You know, I had a great time there. And you went to school with the Darafios. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You went to school with Mark. You graduated with Mark. No, no, so with Frank. So Frank was a year older than I was.

Frank went to prep. But Mark played at North Bergen, then Penn State, then the Packers. So Mark went to North Bergen High School. Frank went to prep. And so I had mixed emotions about it because I had a great time at prep. We had, you know, like a lot. There were a lot of things that like I probably may not have been exposed to. If I had not gone there, you know, maybe I wouldn't have found, you know,

what probably still would have played at Persian Field or Ocean Avenue or, you know, those types of leagues and stuff. But I think at the time it was probably the, you know, the good fit. I played for Jerry Howling and who was, I mean, look at these choices. So it was either playing for Maddie Subello at North Bergen, who was an absolute legend, or Jerry Halligan, who was another legend. So you really couldn't go wrong there. I wasn't a fan of Subello.

What's that? I wasn't a big fan of that. Yeah. I, you know, I really didn't, didn't know Coach Subello that well because I didn't play for him. But Jerry Halligan was like off the charts. I still remember his face. I still remember his little bald head. He was like a science teacher.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was a big Subello guy. I was like, yeah, I was a big barone guy. Right. He showed me how to shoot.

You know, I lucked out because he was my seventh grade teacher. Right. And we were tight. When I got left back, I went to his class and he fucking hated me. Really? And he was like, how's it feel? How are you going to feel sitting in that club? He was torturing me.

Yeah. So I stole his keys after school and I threw him in the dumpster behind McKinley. And about four hours later, he shows up in my house. Where's my fucking keys? I can't even get my car. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. See you in September, bitch. And I thought I was going to go to the eighth grade.

No. I got left back and ended up in his class. Wow. So when I walked in the first day of school, I thought I was dead. Yeah. Never mentioned it again. And once I found out he was in the Hall of Fame. Yeah.

Yeah. He was in my basketball stuff. So the free throws in a row is 73 or something? I went in the yellow pages and I would call him up at night and ask him for tips and he would say, how did you get my number? And I'd call him up until one day he said, come to my house Friday at two. I took a bus up to 92nd Street and we went to his house and he showed me how to shoot and we became, I took him to the premier grudge match.

Right, right, right. Three days ago. That's how tired I am but Barone. Yeah. We interviewed him for the documentary. He went to the house. No. He looked, that was his, that was his house.

We went to his mother's house. That was my real basketball was Barone. Right. And then even if he took over, I knew, I just, you know what's funny that you talk about all this stuff being positive, you talk about being negative. Since I was a kid, I've always been very honest and I was always very honest with myself. You know, freshman year, I think going into sophomore year, I said, okay. My father was six, four, my mother's five, two.

You know, well, how tall am I really going to be? Well, I'd be six feet tops. Let's pretend I get to be six feet. That means I got to be one of the quickest fucking guards in the NBA. Yeah. Now I was always quick, but not fast. There's a big fucking difference. There's a big difference between having quickness to cover somebody in the paint or there than

me having to catch up to you. It's 50 feet wide, 94 feet long. Number two, I'm white. Number three, I'm white. You know, I had kicks. I did have kicks because I worked at it. Right. Right.

There was a point where I had like a 40 inch vertical jump. Like when I was in the eighth grade, I was already grabbing the rim at 38th Street Field. Like people going crazy. I was missing the dunk by a fucking pussy here because it was nine foot 10 the rim. But I couldn't, you know, at least I could grab the rim at the high school. I was indexing and shit. My fresh. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Because I fucking worked on my legs. You know, I did the weights. Bill Foster told me I did the sprint. Yeah. Whatever they told me to do, I did to the fucking team. So it was just really weird that I just said to myself, all I wanted out of basketball was to play in the national championship game.

It's all I ever wanted. My dream was to start. I didn't want to go to the NBA. I didn't want to do nothing. I want to be like Gregory Kelser. Right. Michigan State. Who's a great guy, by the way.

That's what I heard. He's a great guy. He's still part of the Pistons broadcast team. Great guy. Because yeah, he played like four games and that was it. Like he just, in the, in the college, he was great. But in the NBA, he just fell apart. You know, that happened sometime.

But that's all I wanted. From the time I saw them announce Michael Corbin's freshman year from Jersey City, New Jersey. I had almost exploded. And you know who else was in that game? And our buddy Jim Hager reminded me of this. One of the last conversations we had, I forgot to mention this guy. Marquette at Jimmy Boylan. Jimmy Boylan.

Who now is an assistant with the Cavs. So he's been, he's been with the Cavaliers for. Where is Jimmy Boylan from? Jersey City. He was another Jersey City guy. Older than everybody. Yeah. And who do you play for?

He played, he, so he, I think he went to assumption before Marquette Division II school in New England, believe it or not. I want to say that he played for Rocky Pope at Hudson, like, like Spenarchal did. I'm almost positive that Boylan went to, went to Hudson as well. I could be wrong. But you know what, I don't want to dodge the North Bergen or Prep High School question. Because I really, no, no, no, just to complete the thought. Like it sometimes it does think of me like, what I think about is it would have been nice

to have continued the journey in high school with my grammar school classmates. Because they were great kids. We had a great cohesive class. But you know, my brothers had gone to prep. It was great tradition there. It worked out great for me playing. Gavin Cummings, who I mentioned before, who had come over from Guyana. We played together for eight years total, including the four at UMass Lowell,

three on varsity at prep. We played freshman ball together there. And then we had three years on varsity at prep for Jerry Halligan. So I really wouldn't change a thing. But I do think about, you know, because I made great friends at prep, you know, in the classroom and then in Jersey City and around town as you know, as you evolve as a young kid in high school. But I do think about and, you know, remiss slightly about not slightly, but remiss just the kids I was tight with, because we probably would have been even tighter.

But you know, it goes, you can't change it. It is what it is. And you kind of follow your, you know, your destiny. You do what you think is best at the time. It's just crazy because you guys all grew up together. Like, I lived in New York until 1973. And then I moved to North Bergen in 73, but I was still going to Catholic school. So my only connection to North Bergen was the weekends and in the summers I would disappear.

I walked around that neighborhood when I first moved, and I'm like, this ain't for me. These fucking dirty kids. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not doing out. Hang on the city. I was still a city rat. And then I was, and I, since my mom had to bar in Union City, I was a Union City kid. So I was living in North Bergen.

I was a Union City kid living on my 29th street and the whole thing. Right. But at the time I went to McKinley, I didn't. I missed what all you guys did. Like, when did you move to North Bergen? Oh, I was born there. Okay, so. I was born in Jersey City.

Did you play Pee Wee basketball? Yeah, everything. You know, those coaches, Mr. Benna, Mr. Fafaro, Mike Fisher. All of those guys. Unbelievable. They still, if you go on Facebook, it's really weird. Like the other day, Kevin Valentine. Yeah.

A picture of the football team when he was like eight. Yeah. And like, those kids played all through, they won a state championship together. Yeah, yeah. Because they've been playing since they were eight. Like, these guys fucking knew each other. I didn't know that. Yeah.

I didn't, you know, when I first went to McKinley, it was sixth grade. I didn't even start really hanging out in North Bergen until the seventh grade, the first time, the first time, the seventh grade. I didn't really hang out in North Bergen. And that's, and by that time, I was into basketball. Yeah. So I didn't really play the football thing. I didn't play Pee Wee football.

I played, they called it Semi-Pro for Union City. It was like 12th to 14-year-old league. And I didn't like it. It just wasn't for me. I wanted to play basketball and I was going to karate and shit. So I would go to those courts. And that's when I started becoming friends with them. But my point is, like, you're one of those guys that was there the whole thing and then

just high school went somewhere else. It just wasn't you. Like you said, even Franklin Alfio, who's tied with Mercy's godfather, James, you know, like, he just went to prep one day. Yeah. But then prep didn't have a football team. Well, no, they did actually. They did.

Yeah. But then when did Mark go there? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Well, you know what, like football, I think, was different because, like, North Bergen was perennially good and then prep was down in football. They just weren't very good in the 80s. And then Rich Hansen came in right around the time I was leaving and then built that

football program up. But they were very weak. That's why you didn't go there. And then it was weird because I was fortunate because basketball was good then, had not been good in the 70s at prep, was good and it was really good in the 80s. And like you said, like, so after eight years with Gavin Cummings, I mean, by the time, you know, you play that long together. I mean, you just have that sixth sense of where someone is.

Not even, you know, offensively, but defensively and all that type of cohesion and what have you. It's, you know, it's tremendous because it's really a, it takes on a culture, a feel, a vibe. I mean, look at, you know, obviously the Warriors, right? A rarefied air and how special they are and watching them play. And like a lot, I think a lot of our people are, if you remember, and I was young at the time, but the reminiscent of the next back in the 70s with Willis and Clyde and Bradley

and DeBusher and, you know, all those, or all the Pearl and all those guys, you know, they were ball movement. I don't want to go to X's and O's here too much in the Weedsley, but you know, I mean, just that whole cohesion and the defense that those guys play and that tenacity, you know, everyone talks about the Warriors and their offense, but that's really, to me, their sizzle is the offense, but their defense is second in defensive rating in the league and they lead the league field goal percentage against three point field goal percentage against deflections, blocks, steals.

I mean, they're just relentless defensive, but anyway, but those things take on, you know, there's, there's more to it than just the game plan, the execution. Okay. This is what, but anybody really think about like, not only they know what they want to do, but then they inculcate it into those players, current staff, joy, mindfulness, compassion, competition, and they actually do it. It's phenomenal. I think, you know, just the way they have the, the ability to focus, execute, get it done.

But those are the things that I think that are like kind of magical about the game. You know what I mean? It's just that it takes on a kind of a life on its own. That's why we all fall in love with it, you know, and you talk about those kids playing together in North Bergen from eight on and winning eventually a state championship. I mean, there's something really, a few things in life that give you that, you know what I mean? And then again, they did it with basketball.

Right. That core team played at Kennedy school. So I was always wondering, like for me, I wasn't part of anything. I was part of McKinley and they didn't have a fucking legacy. They don't even talk about basketball there. They didn't even have a gym. So I was in the eighth grade. Is that right?

They didn't have a gym. You had a shovel snow. Well, that's, how about, did you ever play at White Eagle Hall? I'm talking about not having a gym. St. Anthony's did not have a gym. No, no, no. Yes. Yes.

Freshman year. That's right. We played them freshman year at all. That was like. Yeah. And the one basket was nine feet. Right. It was a ping-a-ball.

It was unbelievable. And those, those battles were like, those were also, we talked about this. You'd go in there and play at that time for us. It was, you know, David Rivers and Kenny Wilson, those guys. So you'd walk in to be Massimino and Villanova. Digger Phelps at Notre Dame. Was Ray Almaguire retired? So not, no, I'm thinking, I'm thinking Meyer at DePaul, but all these coaches would be,

these legendary coaches would be in Jersey City and White Eagle Hall. You couldn't even shoot from the corner because it was the balcony from the bingo hall that you couldn't shoot. Yeah. You know, you, you know, drive to the basket. But anyway, but evidently they just, the school's closing at St. Anthony's. And then they actually redid White Eagle Hall. It's gorgeous now.

It's like a real. Now they're going to fucking close it. So now they fucking redo it. Let me give some shout outs. Eric Walker, my main man. You got it. Cocksucker J. Blank City, Dominic Giannino, the Australian warrior, Bunny Couch, functioning Savage,

my man Ray Taylor, Slim Chaby, Tony Mendoza, and Ty Moore. I got to ask you some other questions. Yeah. I'm going to ask you some questions about the characters that hang out about a hash way to see if you remember. Yeah. I always tell Lee, whenever we're talking in conversation and he says something to me, I'm going to leave it.

That thing is clean, Bobby. And there were these two idiots that used to hang out at the hash way at night. One was Chicha Bastiche. He was a shrug guy that fixed cars. And the other guy was Bobby Pierce. He had glasses. He used to have like a, what do you call that? When you have a, when you have a.

A cleft lip. A cleft lip. Really? Yeah. He used to, so they were into cars. And he used to go, that thing clean, Bobby. They were just sitting on that thing clean. That thing clean, Bobby.

That thing clean. You know, I think about the characters we grew up with before the show started. We were talking about just that area. Okay. Just that it was hash ways that ran. And it was a block away from North Bergen High School. And on that block, when I first got there, there was a grocery, not a grocery store, like a food store on the corner, like where you went for milkshakes.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. And then you had Nick's Pizza and then you had Corky's Seven Day Week. It was called Tom and Corky's. Then you had a bank that was the size of a hut that was robbed once by a guy on a bicycle. And he got away with it.

They weren't even prepared for him to rob the fucking bicycle. Then you crossed the street and there was a dry cleaner. And then you walked a little bit and there was a bar that had been everything. Lee, they tried to do everything on this bar. Then next to the bar was a trophy sneaker place. Oh, yeah. You know, it was Broward. Dennis Broward had that.

It was never open. It was like a sporting goods store for a while. Yeah. It was never open. Yeah. It was only open like one hour a day and he sold sneakers. Right. So you got a good deal on sneakers from time to time.

Yeah. And then next to him there was a pharmacy. And then there was Larry, LD. There was a haircutting place. That's it, a barbershop. Larry, yeah. And then it was all there. And that was it.

That was your fucking world, if you look up there. Yeah. That was it. He went from the bank. There was pizza place that the guy was fucking like the guy in today's society with kids, he would have definitely been shut down. He would have definitely been shut down because it wasn't about even like that he cursed. No, no, it wasn't that the pizza was bad.

The pizza was delicious. Yeah. And the sandwiches. Oh my God. Tremendous. Yeah, they were great. Tremendous hot. See, Hashways had cold sandwiches.

They had hot sandwiches at night. Like a chicken cutlet? Yeah. Oh, he had a, he had like a, he had something in there. A Knicks meatball parm, something. You get two slices and a Knicks meatball parm. Oh my God. And you could put it on the tab because everybody had a tab those days, Lee.

He'd call you, he'd call you like racist names, but then he'd give you a tab. He gave you a tab. Fuck you. He'd extend credit. Fucking speak. I'm watching you. He called me the spic, a villa. I a tola cameini.

Are you a tola? Because he had the beard. So he would make, you make me nervous. You walk around. Are you a tola? Homanie. He would call him Homanie. He would call me the spic, venerated Jew, because he would get the iced tea across the street.

I mean, it was fucking constant. The nicknames he had for people. Sexy thing, beautiful thing for women. Oh, I love you. But he never was a pervert or nothing like that. What he was, was a degenerate horse track guy. He loved the ponies. And you'd be hungry some afternoons and you'd go there and it'd be gone closed for one hour.

He would just shoot to the track. Yeah. Oh yeah, exactly. And bet all his horses at four. You'd be fucking starving after school. They're like, God damn it. I got to go to the hash ways again and shit. And it's like, I told you, John bot.

We're going to give John bot a shout out. Pacing donut. He said, Tommy Parker wrote two words in my high school yearbook. Pacing donut. It was a horse that he gave me. Did you have a gamble? Made now. No, you didn't.

Nothing, nothing, nothing. I was going to ask, what was it like, because we've heard all the stories from Joey about what North, like North Bergen sounds like almost like a, like it's not even real. Like it's like an acidity of outlaws. What was it like growing up as a kid who like, I wasn't an athlete, but seems like me like a little bit of straight edge and sort of not as crazy as them. Like what was it like? Was everyone like that?

Or was there people there who? No, I was, I mean, I think it was a very like eclectic group of people. You know what I mean? That, you know, not, I don't think everybody was like that. You know what I mean? Like it was just, you know, like basketball, I think sports in a way was kind of an escape. It, you know, was, it was your identity, probably to a, to an extreme, you know, because you were only as good as your last game and it's too tough.

If you weren't playing or, you know, we talked about that earlier, if you didn't play well, it was hard. It was your identity. But there were just the cast, the characters there. And but I do think though that you thought every place else was like that. So you'd go to Jersey City and different neighbors. Yeah, it was like that. Yes.

But then when you leave and you get out of there, you're like, holy shit. Oh my God. Not, not every place is like this. You know, you go up into New England. Exactly. Yeah. But no, growing up, you were in there and it was, you're right. You had a couple of bucks.

It was a quarter for an RC. RC had the fucking company on Tonley Avenue. Honestly, if you went down there and knocked on the door, they'd give you three sodas for a quarter. RC, they made them run on Tonley Avenue. RC Cola? Yeah. They bottled them right there on the corner there.

So we were kids. They were that. By my house, we had the Dannon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that was like, all you needed was a ball, like a buck, because you get a slice of pizza and nicks for 45 cents. And that's all, that was your life.

That's all you, all you needed. You walk around the corner, you're at the courts, everybody's there hanging out. So it was, it was an unbelievable place to grow up. It was tremendous. It was great. I, but, but I think that, you know, if you looked at it, you probably had, you know, guys that were into sports, guys that they were into music, guys that it went to girls, guys that were into.

Now, where were you when Hashway's burnt down? Were you on Kelly Boulevard? Were you around the corner? I don't think I was living there at the time. I was in school. I think it was 1984. Yeah. I was at, you know what?

I was at UMass Lowell. It was my freshman year. So I was not in North Bergen. We went to, we went to, you know, the town at the, I left. I left in August 25th of 83. I left and I went to Colorado and I came back like February of 84 and the town was completely different. It was just a drug debt.

That's it. The cocaine from West New York, you didn't city that had just taken over. I mean, there was, there was a rest on 80th street by Lube's house by Johnny. What was those two spent Lopez brothers? Yeah. They were going out of their mind. Those two, luckily, they used to sell their mother's cancer medication. They used to drive around shooting cats and dogs.

It was fucking crazy down on that side. But all those houses were getting, it was just a different city, you know, and everybody was fucking doing drugs. Like it just, you know, you walked into Ashway's next to, you know, you're in the freezer doing coke. You know, you're like, what the fuck? I used to come here to eat. I don't even eat it no more.

I come here to do coke and drink champagne and what did they have champagne in the deli? Because at that time, they had a liquor store, right? They moved over. See, they had a sandwich place. I was telling Billy that I could, you know, how FX does American crime stories or American horror stories. Right. Yeah.

Story about life, about the hash wise, because they had a deli and the deli was doing just fine. Turkey sandwiches, roast beef, fresh roast beef, fresh turkey, you, who's, you know, buttered roll, which was delicious, the jelly and cream cheese on the poppy seed roll was delicious with a you who in the morning and they got greedy. There was liquor store on the corner and they bought into that liquor store. You learn from watching in your life. I learned a big lesson from that.

Be happy with what God gave you. You had a beautiful deli. They were, I was telling Billy that at three o'clock, the father would run the lunchtime deposit at one o'clock right across the street to the bank. But at about four, four thirty, he would walk home with a brown sack filled to the gills. Filled to the gills. They were making money there, guys. I mean, when you were in that lunchtime and all the you who's were gone and Mrs. Ashford

give me a case and go restock it for me, that's a case of fucking you who's they sold already during lunch. They would sell sandwiches. I mean, you go in there, the shredded lettuce. If you think of anything that stood out, it was that shredded lettuce would stick out of the sandwich and you people think we're crazy here, you know, Lee knows how much of a fanatic I am about food and how loyal I am and how, you know, for years I didn't eat sandwiches when I left North Bergen like nothing nothing and it was such a simple sandwich

roast the roast beef there. She made it fresh, not with humans, not boys had. She bought it every night, took that rope off when she got home from work at five o'clock when she got home from the deli, the deli stayed open till nine when they got home with five, they would start cooking for the next day. Wow. And we had a relationship with the hashways. Yeah, you had a relationship like nobody, this is why we know everything about them.

So I would go my mom would send me over with like my mom would cook like pot roast at home or something and she would send me over there and and Anne or Joe would slice her pot roast right and then and I'd take it home and then I would feel so guilty I'd walk in I can remember walking in and Joe would be cleaning the slicer and I'd be walking in like he's ready to go home and he always would take it always would take it even though he was like you know one foot out the door ready to I mean just unbelievable like we said like family you know they were there but once they took over that liquor store in 84 everything changed drugs was feeling them it was if you went in there at eight o'clock at night you couldn't

it was a fucking it was crazy it was crazy there'd be 15 people in there coked up to the gills and people coming in buying lottery tickets because they bought lottery tickets and booze and you'd still it was embarrassing and we'd all go up there and help them the quicker he stocked the shelves the quicker we'd gone party so 10 of us would go up there and stock every fucking shelf in 10 minutes all the bees all the booze we'd sweep let's get the fuck out of this we'd go party and they got so bad by the end of 84 that summer that town was in my Rago's walking around with a microwave oven the cocaine in a in a bazooka I mean everybody was going off and by that time it was coming in and more abundance

that you were snorting so people were giving it to you on credit which made the situation even worse so we all went to a place called the Micai yeah I remember the my Kennedy Boulevard yes they got close shut down for selling cat and for using the grass from the cemetery for what were they using grass for you know when you go to the dish and have all that grass no lettuce and all that shit oh they were commo in the lawn at the at the cemetery and sprinkling on your fucking food and shit I was that for you they found a bunch of cats and lizards and fucking iguanas and it was crazy we would go there first 11 and drink a couple zombies and get fucked up and then we'd shoot out to a giant game and get

more fucked up at the giant game and then we'd shoot the fucking corkies at about six or seven it was it that was it he had two dollar bluebirds which was bluebird armors juice bluebird armors juice with sparing off vodka some two dollars a piece you know he was a nice boy Billy here and we get the hatch we get the we get the corkies on this beautiful Sunday had to be like Sunday if you look at the lineup look at the look at the Giants 1984 went to schedule for football it was like September 25th 1984 when they played the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and fucking that line by that running back he was the he Joe Morris James Wilder oh okay James Wilder so what do you want to know what was the day they

paid they lost the Buccaneers yeah November 11th of 84 well it was November 11 fuck I thought it was September 23rd it was November 11th no oh no they did I'm sorry they played twice what was the first time September 23rd you're absolutely right you see I'm saying dog you see I'm saying dog you see I'm saying dog you can't pull one over on Uncle Joey because I never forgot that date because from there we went to ash we went to corkies and hash waste was closed on Sunday and all of a sudden we're in corkies getting fucked up at six o'clock in the afternoon and all of a sudden you have fire trucks pulling up and what the fuck and all of a sudden they're kicking down the door at hashways and they're going in there and the

windows are burning and what the fuck and we're all outside and people were crying I mean people fucking drove up there yeah yeah because I remember my mom calling me and telling me about because I was up at school yeah and it burnt down to the fucking crisp it took a couple months to reopen yeah yeah yeah yeah and I'll never forget that years later they said that one of the brothers was downstairs smoking crack did you know that story you heard something yeah fucking hilarious only in North Bergen he put the crack pipe he was smoking crack downstairs and also he heard something as you do huh he heard something and he put the crack pipe down and he walked to see what it was and the crack pipe like the wind got into something like this

is a story I heard the torch fell over and the torch burned something that's and then North Bergen covered it up and they said it was an electrical fire or some shit that's what the word was on the street only in North Bergen can you hear something so funny that was that was the thing about my hometown that you said something beautiful tonight Billy you said that when you leave North Bergen you expect that every place is like North Bergen and that's the same thing that happened to me I thought that when I left North Bergen people gonna be like that I thought that everybody had the same mindset as we had I thought that you know I'm very proud to come from there because I came from there at a time when you don't have earrings near do I you don't have

any tattoos I don't have any tattoos you know if you see the kids from that generation we didn't fall for anything we didn't we didn't fall for anything I mean we fell for nothing we fell for drugs you know not not you and your brother but you know if everybody's like this in North Bergen nobody was in the tattoos at that time you couldn't really have long hair they were like these little unspoken type rules that if you want to get yeah yeah this is what's gonna work bro you know and I got an early age you know when they got you a job you worked hard like that yeah yeah North Bergen see the program and get a job there yeah yeah absolutely well whatever you know like I remember asking Mike Ruddy's nephew when he came out he was in the Navy and he came up

to spend the week on me and I go so how was hash ways growing up he goes I never ate an hash ways growing up and my heart broke like you grew up next to one of the greatest delis that you ever eat on in your life do you only think they didn't have that I didn't care was Wet Mutzel oh yeah yeah it's interesting they never had wet mutz they never really had that hard bread right I would go up to the place on 91st Street yeah which is still there not Roma but the other place that it was there for three dollars in those days they gave you a sandwich Lee Lee me and you can not finish it no three dollars Lee no way me and Mike running cannot finish it Ponte Corvo no no no no no no no on top of 91st Street on top of 91st Street by the gas station

yeah yeah right across the street they used to be an Italian deli they made an Italian sandwich for three dollars Lee in 1982 you can not finish stacked wet mutz salami from a cabagool fucking the other shit that the prejute ham provolone two types of cheese lettuce vinegar oil olives you couldn't finish it Jesus and then the palmers the palmers yeah the palmers then you had Roma pizza which was fucking tremendous yeah I used to have the stromboli dog that if you eat that shit in Vegas your head would blow up in the one in north bergen they used to so also make a shrimp parmesan sandwich they used to oh then you go down from then there was other kid soul pizzeria so pizzeria joey return joey return is that Phil his mom Phil tremendous pizza

tremendous pizza we were blessed with tremendous pizza this is why I'm the way I am Lee this is why I'm the way I'm you know see that's the comment to me that's the common denominator like a fancy word for it would be authenticity but people are just real and I think the reason why there's a such a strong bond and love for you is just because you're real and there's just a toughness about people I think that we grew up with like a resiliency like a like a fire that everyone had and has and has just kind of channeled it in whatever they were passionate about you know what I mean and that's that habit you have to have that passion or if not you could eat now you get left behind or yeah yeah yeah it was something weird like I see the kids I grew up

with now like venerate me you oh none of us have tattoo we wouldn't even think about like that would just be no no bueno like nobody really had long hair we just you know these kids listen to what fucking athletes like I was the only dropout these guys were athletes and they still smoked a little pond they still drank and they still robbed beer trucks you know where we came from jocks had a different jocks were like a little bit fucking a little crazier a little bit on the crazy side but I thank myself every day for being from New Jersey yeah and I think the other thing too was like I was very very thankful to like the older guys because they would always look out for you you know what I mean like he's got like Vic Salletti we talked a little bit about like Jimmy

Miller and those guys that blitz off for down 80 second stream they would like look out for you so like and with my brothers I never you know I just got squashed I never really had the opportunity to get too far off the rails not to mention my mother who was you know rock at Gibraltar I mean there was no I was not gonna get too far out of line because you know he's had a great family great support system great friends but the older guys in the neighborhood really looked out for you I think and they you know they just you know they cared enough to uh to you know kind of just keep you in keep you in line it's crazy how I look at you and if I close my eyes I could still see you with the basketball with the shorts on playing the ball between your legs calling us all out who wants

some you know who's gonna get some of this today who wants it you and Tommy Parker bothering us and shit like trying to fucking break up balls we talked about the hierarchy by Parker yeah the hierarchy by it was just uh it was such an innocent time you know and uh I go when I used to go back I would call all everybody and say look uh I get in that one I'll meet you at Hashway's at 330 and I'd meet 15 people at one shot done I'd kill every bird with one stone you tell all your stories you eat your little ham and cheese sandwich you eat your little rice pudding Lee they had a rice pudding that was phenomenal I love the rice pudding and I turned Ralphie May on to the right pudding and Ralphie May would fly in Newark and just go get rice pudding by the tub they would make rice

Ralphie May the whole tray of fucking rice put it was delicious with the cinnamon and the fucking whipped cream you could you never had better rice pudding than that the macaroni salad was to die for yeah the potato salad was to die for you know my wife loved was the seafood salad I like the tuna okay here's my question about the tuna did they put anything in it like celery or weird okay I can now and that's how you know it's a good place I hate that I would watch her in the mornings she'd empty the tuna and she'd break it all by hand oh and then she put the mayonnaise little salt that's all you need and she'd give it to you by the cup so you get a medium cup of tuna or a large cup of tuna and eat tuna you didn't have to eat the bread she was 20 years ahead of the game this

way before the fucking carbs no I uh that was my problem and that's why I think I gained I never talked about these stories because I thought everybody had it right right when I left north prairie I'm like okay so who gives a fuck I but I never forget one time when I was growing up I was at a friend's house that he had a reputation for being a big party guy it was that winter 84 when north bergen was just going nuts and I'll never forget this scene we were in this basement it was a sunday night there had to be 20 north bergen kids in there and you'd think it was friday night eight o'clock and these guys had all been going strong since friday same clothes they had been the city

and I'll never forget that these kids walked in there were they came with somebody from north bergen I forget who brought them there were three kids from cliffside park and they came they showed up at like four and they were like yeah we want to drink with you I know it was a great time but there was somebody in that room that kept taking out packages of drugs and finally one of the kids from cliffside looked at the other two and he goes we have to get out of here like these guys are just crazy and then left them everybody started laughing like it was a scene from a biker movie like they really ran out of there like this is just too crazy and I always sat there going you know is it us I mean what was it there was a something the water that made this crazy

I still remember one halloween when everybody showed up with animals okay I was caught I got a call like an eight o'clock that we were going to this fucking halloween party dressed as garbage to just show up behind the high school at six thirty that they had cut the bottoms out of garbage cans and you had a they put suspenders on the garbage cans so you had to wear shorts and put the garbage can over you and then get a bag a brown bag we got from hashways and we crazy glued it to the top of the tin so you could put the glue on the cap on your head and you had a garbage can on your head and then we took strings and somebody went to the pet shop and got like 30 mice and we took strings and we tied the tails of mice oh every every kid does

this listen to this and we tied the other end to the top oh so you're walking around and the mice were hanging off your garbage can yeah just by the tails fun biting down like 10 of us showed up at this halloween party with these garbage cans on dressed as garbage with actual spaghetti boxes in this from hashways we all took all the boxes and we didn't stick like garbage or anything we just would dress like garbage so somebody fucking I think it was mic running this is my sock this is my junior year I think it was mic running in front of all these kids got up on the stage without saying a word I'll never forget this is playing his day all the you know how kids are like ha ha everybody's like oh you look great it was a halloween and this kid got up and he goes hey

and everybody turned around he took the first string and he took the mouse and like this he opened his mouth and he dropped that mouth that mouse in his mouth and he bit that fucking thing in half and blood squirted out of his face and you heard people puking the girls were yelling and shit I still remember hearing the girls just losing like this yelling screaming those whims and all of a sudden everybody at the same time took those mice and started biting that no no no yes we did and we started I bit that mouse right off and I spit that head up into the egg it tasted the blood it was fucking horrible I'm surprised I'm not dead today from doing that shit and a bunch of them were eating the fucking mice they were taking the heads off the floor and chewing on the heads it was

terrible it's because you got that mold oh my god he's gonna be fine from the mold now there was like for a year or two oh my god a bunch of those idiots were eating shit at parties so they would go to parties and take a bottle and break it with a hammer and start eating the glass at the party somebody saw somebody eat a bicycle and David Leatherman in those days and they wanted to eat a fucking bicycle I mean these guys are crazy you have no fucking ideally I'm surprised if anyone even brought like one mouse into like my high school dance like they wouldn't have made it like three feet they would have been toggled by by the by like the janitor or something when he bit that fucking mouse's head off what do you mean you can't just say him now you just said everyone did

it no but the first guy they did it when he bit that fucking head off and that blood squirted out of his mouth you thought Godzilla was in town even the teachers were yelling they didn't know what to think the poor teachers in that high school didn't know that's what I'm saying did your mom was like your mom was like listen I go to the atroias I know what goes into that high school I can't have me go over there those kids are fucking animals do you think you like ruin the careers of any teachers like they left like they were like 26 and had like full of hope and they had you guys for like a year or two and then they left the teaching profession you must have just destroyed when I was in grammar school I went to grammar school with pretty much civilized animals McKinley school

because it had the people from 26th street park yeah and they had like nuclear waste over there those buildings something was over there that's right that fucked those kids up let me tell you something in those days north bergen had a thing that if you were 16 and you were in the 7th grade they had automatically put you in the pilot program and you went to high school you're 16 in the 7th grade I like that that happened so often that they had a rule about it because Spanish kids came from cuban they couldn't speak the language okay so until they couldn't figure out the English they would leave them back so they were leaving back for three fucking years these kids were they when I got to the 8th grade there was a kid named peter jimenez he was like 16 and

he in the 7th grade he had a beard he had a mustache he drove his sister to the school every day like a driver's permit and shit you know it was it was McKinley for me when I left sacred heart school for boys was a complete 360 oh like I had never seen that even in new york city I went to school PS 166 I was a little on the young side I was only the third grade if anybody was doing anything bad it was me in those days they got thrown out of there because I was stealing the teachers edition and selling them to other students for this for the small two dollars and shit but when I went to McKinley that was my three years at McKinley I could write a book about yeah I'm sure you could I saw a louis alvar punched leogatoni right in the fucking face

I saw an 8th grader punched the principal of the school in the 8th grade almost knocked him out that the principal took like three steps and he graduated in fact he's still on my he's my facebook friend louis alvar I saw a parent beat the fuck out of a teacher at that school I mean at three o'clock I saw a teacher got arrested at that school he ended up going to prison for like seven years for fucking the mayor of we hawking I said a cup of coffee no go ahead go ahead you have no fucking idea Jesus Christ I don't that's no this was crazy McKinley school was completely crazy then I ran into carman balzana and he beat up the teacher they beat up the teacher twice this was a fucking western this was a wild wild west type fucking production

and like no because you would go to New York and you would see so you were just around craziness all the time like all the time all the time all the time at that and the people you know it was just weird I quit karate and I went with the circle I hit the number karate before basketball I was thinking about that karate was during basketball and the main reason why I quit karate was for basketball I quit karate in the eighth grade oh I could be ready for freshman yeah I didn't want to bother and I didn't want to fucking torture me so you were you were kind of an athlete yes that's but even though I was considered a jock I was still a druggy I was still crazy we weren't jocks like the ordinary jocks that's what blew your mind we weren't jocks like ordinary

jocks we were jocks that were also junkies and everybody knew it that we were smoking pot and doing acid and doing tt crystal we were taking it fucking deep and am I proud of this no I was a dumb kid I can't I mean it just there's no it doesn't I can't even relate to it at 15 16 I don't think I had my first like like smoke of like a joint until I was 18 I think I drank a little bit high school but barely you know I wanted to bring uh Billy on just to show you that there was also decent people and also you know they weren't just fucking animals that uh you know we weren't just animals I mean but you know what like there are things that happen that like you almost forget about like I can remember a fight breaking out one day and I was like about 11 on my corner

and uh one thing leads to another and a guy he's got another guy on the ground he's got a knife to his neck so it's like you know like some of those things you remember because you know you probably maybe you've never heard someone scream for their life but that that that creates like a searing memory you know I mean that but again that was luckily it didn't escalate after that let them go in the whole bit but you kind of you just kind of roll with it but it was uh you know it was never a dull moment that's for sure it was very educational and it's uh I think that uh I mean you ended up becoming what you do I think it has a lot to do right no no it's all the dashways yeah yeah yeah all of life life's lessons like you described that couple but okay listen whether you go from

91st street down to 6th street or if you go from 76 to 79th all all of life lessons are right there they were they were really right there it's true very true it's funny how if I think about stand-up comedy I think about freshman basketball getting on the number one bus and just tormenting that poor bus driver from the minute you get on that bus on 79th street you start singing the odd couple and fucking the honeymooners and by the time you get to 50th street he actually pulls over and goes you guys are knocking off or they're gonna throw you off the bus and then the second place the early roots of comedy were right in front of hashways right right in front of that you know with eight other funny people that wasn't crammed in driving that number one bus no no no no it's

it was just really weird how those my lessons in front of that deli are standing in front of that cracking jokes you know like just uh it's who I am today yeah it really you know I'm into food because of that deli I'll argue to the debt with anybody and I'll bring back up and we'll win any argument with that deli because that deli was more than good it was who we were like I said earlier it was alright denny you know tabs right no one's got tabs but yeah and the other thing koko that maybe you overlook because you're too close to it is the uh like just the the art of conversation and like you don't even like that some now everybody um is guilty is anybody you're on your phone your texting like parker says to me every now and now enough with the texting you know pick

up the phone and call but you don't even like I think there you really learned how to how to socialize how to uh you know bridge gaps whether it was you know uh Spanish people black people people that were different than you older people younger people you know what I mean like I felt like it really stretched your horizons uh and you learned how to how to get along basic funny pretty funny interesting you said that I won't take a text from nobody from not bergen you yeah I noticed that you're not a bit yeah yeah especially if you're from not bergen if I find your text and you're from not bergen I do not write write write I don't get text I won't get text yeah unless you call me and say Joey I'm sending you a text message I won't get the text

for three or four days and by that time I don't even look I just erase it because anybody who's close to me knows if you text me you I know that I know that way you you're not so if I get a text from you yeah there's numbers or like for four days later until I found something I forget what I recorded was I love these people that just talk to you on attack right and they don't even tell you who they are they identify themselves like I'm not going to recall you back anyway but it's just your text messages when I find like 26 of them at one shot that's when I get them when I get like 32 at one shot and I just press edit all of them you get rid of it all of them I don't even read see I always feel like if it was listen there's a time there's certainly a time and a place for it

you know there's no time and a place for my world is in your world there's not yeah yeah I don't ever want to text message somebody because if it's important the chance to be getting to the slimming dunk is your stupidity call them motherfucker right if you want somebody to know something call that motherfucker I don't play with text I don't want good for you that's good I don't want them I don't especially when it comes to business is that right yeah especially how about it if you text me for business yeah I won't do business with you there you go I don't do business with you I don't want to do business with it now pick up the phone yeah I don't give a fuck if you 10 or 80 I do not ask Lee we laugh our asses we laugh because if you're my brother you know not that

so I don't really give a fuck if you text me it's because you're not close to me so I don't write right I don't really my agents know not to text me anybody that's close to me in the industry knows do not text them because you're not going to get a reply he's not even going to get it he's right yeah because I'm not into him I don't want to have to put my glasses on and read and you know that and then the other thing when I was getting them and I do get a text it's just too annoying it's just too annoying well you know what happens is what time five what time is the nick game six thirty what time we meet in that hash ways eight that's good I can live with that one I can live with that one but the short stories and the no no no no no no

the 92 all night long no no no no no no you got one good text and I got one good answer and after that there's no more fucking texting I'm not going to sit here typing a short fucking story because you don't want to talk on the phone so you open the door to that if you go with one I hear you because then it may never end that's why I said no no no I'm not doing it so I feel like if it's there are time sensitive things I love and I think it's a great place for it but I do feel I agree with you that there are things that if like if we're friends you're gonna call it's important enough you and don't expect like an email like that I'm you know like you get people that are gonna email you email me yeah that's another thing like all of a sudden I'm obligated

to email you back because you were too lazy to pick up the phone and call me if it's that important you know it's so weird how if you allow that game that game won't happen you know it's just like basketball you let them fast but see I have people too that like will take like you know people take hey can you come on the show to talk about the playoffs so that's it but I'll respond to those because those are people I'm friends I have a relationship with I'm gonna do it but you don't like that no I don't want a text message whatsoever on my phone when you text me you're telling me you're not close to me you don't know not to call me so I don't want to do business with you it's to wear this thing when I was a young guy walked into mr. Biggs in North

Bergen they had one in Hoboken and one in North Bergen oh he's talking about Biggies no mr. Biggs and John Benders and the Benders okay okay and the biggest lessons I learned was I walked in there when they knew the family so I could walk in there and say let me get a hero and then give me whatever the fuck I want yeah and one day I was hanging out you know wiping tables down I was always very grateful if you gave me a sandwich I'd wipe the table down it's for the garbage out or whatever and uh I said now come here always here Jimmy whatever I come here you're always fucking here get help he goes I'm looking for help but in fact he picked up like a handful of applications and he threw him down and he goes I got help but I'm not gonna hide under these people like

why not it's just a fucking I was like a kid you know I thought you could just hire people I don't know they had to check references and they used to be a box in those days in the 70s 80s and 90s they used to be a box on applications and instead of you do not answer the questions in this box unless there's a check up on top it's that easy unless there's a check up on top don't answer these questions so people would fill out those questions he wouldn't hire them because they couldn't listen they don't pay attention to detail they don't pay attention to detail and I always listen to what he said and he goes I treat my life like this if you don't fall under a certain calendar I'm not wrong so when you text him you're telling me that you don't even know me yeah yeah

because if I especially North Bergen people when I got a text from somebody from North Bergen I don't reply to them they should be ashamed of themselves they were raised by that they were raised by yeah you know they hit me up like tickets or something I won't call them back call me though I know especially people I know 30 40 years oh yeah there was somebody I called from North Bergen about three weeks ago and for some reason I haven't talked to this guy in a year because of his text messages really he never stops yeah there's times I call him and he'll text me back I could see you texting me yeah that really gets me that really gets me that means I won't

be talking to you for another year right and finally the other day he called and he goes dog I've been texting you for a year I haven't gotten one of them right really nope next time call yeah that's it yeah I know you 50 fucking years I did drugs for you we did a thousand things together no I didn't get one of them oh no I don't get nothing you know me I haven't gotten anything in years the only text he ever sends is pictures of food whenever he goes back to New Jersey I get like randomly I get like four pictures and you're headed back well you get to be on the islands right I'll be on the island so I won't stop this weekend next weekend yeah I won't fucking go to North Bergen not even when I fucking call that's like a different world if you go to the island yeah

it's June oh yeah I mean forget it yeah fuck you yeah they offered me they offered me the theater the Paramount theater Long Island like next weekend Friday night at 8 o'clock I was like are you people retarded are you people retarded give me Saturday but I ain't involved with no Friday fuck you because everybody's going down the show uh Long Island's busy on Friday nights everybody's going oh yeah forget it yeah yeah you're dead you're dead it's it's seven hours of something somebody was telling me one time on a Friday it's insanity yeah it's crazy I don't need to go to North Bergen I don't want nobody coming over people can come see you you're going 3,000 miles you're gonna be out on the island no no I told I told Timmy Holloway yesterday forget

yeah somebody else last week don't even come please I don't want to see nobody this is my weekend to relax I'll be in North Bergen July 29th that uh I'm at the Borgata and oh yeah yeah yeah half of North Bergen we'll be there perfect that's perfect that's where that works until that time I don't want to see nobody yeah I don't want to see nobody I don't want to go to North Bergen I don't want nobody from North Bergen coming up to Long Island I want to be left the fuck alone this weekend you know me dog what's I believe I don't know what I'm more higher on the stars or the mold I think the mold might have the mold is fucking tremendous here you might have just created your whole new brand a brand new edible you have to like it like I can't believe when you let cheese

get moldy maybe maybe there's like some hidden secret maybe like the THC intensifies I had a taste that we had tasted my mouth before I suck the cock like a moldy dick but after gala water and ten fucking bong hits I'm all right now now what uh tell these people what you do the sports report 95 so you know what Kogo I do uh and Leah I do uh two sports updates 26 and 56 after the hour 5 a.m to 9 a.m pacific time on kfbk which is uh you know uh an i heart radio station based in Sacramento so it's just you know your basic like w ins you know they do the wheel news traffic weather business sports you know rinse and repeat and then during the basketball season i'll work for you know a couple of different entities as it primarily as an analyst uh for

games like whether it's the mountain west conference like unlv or san diego state or colorado state boise state bouncing around uh doing those games also the big west conference you know from long beach state to folerton to you know riverside santa barba uh then this season i worked a little bit perduate indiana on uh national radio stuff so you got a house there yeah yeah so they fly out there they put you up and then uh yeah so it's a little bit of a hodgepodge i'll do a lot of nba stuff uh ad hoc stuff like whether it's the clippers pregame show or you know like just sports talk throughout the country on you know the nba and what's going on and some of it on the sacramental kings they spent a year with uh what's now nbc nbc sports bay area on the

king's pre and post game show so it's kind of like a hodgepodge of uh of stuff so it's fun it's not unlike being on the corner at uh at hashways talking sports right i mean just breaking it down breaking down the nicks and the gnads or the mets of the Yankees so it's a great job and it's kind of fun too because you know what it's listen it's about learning about the game the people that you meet along the way there's always so much to learn it's so much fun and also in this job you can't you know like coaching is tough because you know you got a million responsibilities and it's high turnover and people some are going to like you some are going to be unhappy because you're not getting playing time or whatever it may be you got to

deal with the media there's a lot of demands alumni if you're a college coach recruiting alumni administration student body community you know there's a lot a lot to carry so as an analyst it's like it's it's tremendous you're a guest at shoot around the day of the game uh you're a guest in that arena wherever the game is you're a guest on that network that platform and you're a guest in somebody's living room so it's like a lot of fun uh but you don't want to lose at the end of the day but you don't have uh you you also don't have people mad at you either so it's kind of like a great job it's a lot of it's a lot of fun just being around the game and learning and it's fascinating what's going on what and how it's changed and how it's evolved and

all that stuff so that kind of keeps me going really energized and passionate about it because you can you know look at you be brown he's going strong at 83 there's no stopping him and you're you're learning along the way is the thing evolve is great like i totally once life got real i don't watch that much sports anymore once life started getting real i lost it i watched five minutes of shit yeah do you watch the end of games coga like will you watch the finals and like and watch this couple minutes i watched the finals monday night they were what you think they were down but i didn't think anything at all yeah it doesn't didn't stir you at all didn't you know you get emotional when you see teams win like do you

ever get emotional when you see like you know uh diranth and his mom or or curry and his family or i don't give a friend some fuck yeah yeah they uh they seem like a yankee team to me the warriors golden state seems like a yankee team to me but they were terrible just a few years ago like when i was following basketball when the Celtics were pretty good the warriors were like laughing they were booing like off the off the floor they've been sucking for 20 years so i'm really proud about that i just don't know i just uh no it's fair enough i mean i don't have anything i don't have any what's that expression i don't have a dog you don't have a dog in the fight yeah yeah yeah it's like uh college moves too fast i mean i i know kyle irving is yeah bad mother fucking i know who

the kids in golden state is i know some of the players i know the kids from north bergen oh kyle anderson yeah we do the spurs yeah yeah sure uh you know shit like that but i couldn't tell you anything about that yeah yeah football i watched the last couple playoff games the white supremacy man it's the best quarter back the last 20 years and no matter i ain't nobody better than tom brady yeah he's white supremacy man yeah you know he's he's the reason he's the only white person that's really entitled that deserves to be entitled the rest of white america can suck my dick when they do what he could do dump a pregnant chick and fucking win five superpowers then come save me all right just dumping the pregnant chick alone tells me you give a fuck about catholicism and your last

name is brady now you're gonna win five superpowers to boot or whatever he's won 19 post who gives a fuck ain't nobody better than five for seven yeah montana's thinking make them come back this together he's fucking tormenting people that they fuck with him again he might win this year too some believe what they he might win this year too if they fuck with him again he might just go you know what i'll drop the first four games because the quarterbacks they have under him a savages yeah garoppolo they think he's pretty good yeah just to be under him into watching what did he do with garoppolo last year they survived right were they three in one with him well he uh he already came back he got hurt i think after the second game so they brought jacoby bressett and right and then he won and then he

won and then he won the fourth game they got heat they got heat if you sit behind brady you're learning well that symbology is unbelievable i mean that system yeah you're learning so much behind me it's like sitting behind avicen it's like sitting behind julia serving for four years yeah it's like just sitting there being his body double guarding him learning all those moves you see the thing is you know what listen if you think about basketball right i could sum it up it's ball you man hit that's how you defend ball you man shot goes up hit find go get it right offensively it's pace in space it's pick and roll pass and stream away i mean in other words when i'm trying to say it's not complicated at all it really isn't no and and all of this like even though there's

like all the analytics now and what have you this obfuscation you know taking the simple and making it complex and then you've got this you know blogger demagoguery where you know the pendulum swings on you know virtually every possession people are going bananas every you know every game's life or death they don't realize that you know like it's so funny you see how about these reporters like the questions they ask it's like ridiculous they ask uh lebron he's now too zipped they're going back to clea going back to cleveland it's like hey do you think that you have to protect home court it's like of course you gotta protect well you're a smart guy what happens if we don't protect home court with that somebody somebody asked doc rivers uh chris paul scored

and then utah came down and scored to beat them you know and they're down one and somebody asked did did uh did uh chris paul scored too soon i mean i could go on and on with these these crazy questions but anyway my point is you know it's just interesting to watch because the game itself is not complicated at all but it's about you know getting these guys ultra talented basically independent contractors getting them to buy in and to incorporate your game plan into what you want you see somebody like the warriors do it and the spurs have been doing it quietly almost like in a boring way to do it you know the spurs have kept opponents under a hundred points for like 20 years and we have never we have the last mba champion that was out of the top 10 in defensive rating was

like the 01 lakers billy you know you're talking to me chinese right no no i'll stop i'll stop you're saying i don't give a fuck about the chinese at least you're taking no hundred points in game anyway but it's just interesting to watch but to your point though it's true it's hard to keep up with because the free agency guys like baseman they're all over the map they're all over the place i couldn't once i followed sports as far as i could until life kicked in once my life kicked in i couldn't sit there no more billy right yeah i can't sit yeah i got something to do in the back of my mind i'm there 10 minutes and i go okay there's gotta be something yeah i could be doing it better myself so that was what happened i couldn't uh i i still remember you matured

let's say you know because i remember still and it was even before i got locked up like i had given up sports like that yeah i was living in denver and everybody was john l way crazy right oh yeah people were alloying i was working right i didn't know what the fuck you were talking about they would go what don't you want you're interested and i go i'm an adult right there's something that has to come first if i have the the luxury you know i was taking classes and i would go wait a second i'm gonna watch four hours of football i gotta study from see i'm giving up the game only i'm going home this season's over no no no no i know i'm just interested what happened to me this is what happened to me yeah this is what personally happened to me you know and then i got i went i

got locked up and that became even higher right what am i doing watching basketball right there's gotta be something i could be fucking doing you know yeah something so now i'll i'll tell you i watch sports for 15 minutes a year eight minutes here i want to dodge a game they've got awful to watch i can't watch baseball it's just too slow for me anymore i like september so i'll wait till september football you know if uh if i'm home on a sunday night and the red socks are playing the Yankees i'll watch an inning of both of them i like them both go up yeah that's enough for me but to sit there for four innings five innings i could write a joke guy yeah i got lights to turn on i got there's always something you could do a push-up that's right yeah exactly yeah that's the

other thing it's eight fucking hours and you put potato chips in your fucking mouth and pizzas and fucking wings you know and it's sunday yeah you're gonna wake up monday feeling like that and this is the way like even though i'm a fat fuck like i always felt like this like i'm like i'm gonna go over them and go for what they have potato chips with that onion dip right the lip them and sour cream dip it was just i don't know what it was you know i got away from it when my kids were young right i got away from it you had to yeah because i mean you could you could watch it the thing that saves you today is that you could tape things yeah exactly yeah fuck you i'm gonna be one of those assholes please don't tell me did you watch the game don't tell me please no no no

that's impossible now i hate all that shit yeah i hate all that i used to try to do that with the patriots but i can't i had to stop because you you'd always call me and tell me how tom brady was doing yeah i'm gonna tape and watch it later tonight when then when somebody tells you like i wasted a tape right i wasted a tape you know i'm saying i don't want to watch it now i want somebody goes it was a spectacular game right right like with the soup bowl this year they were losing 25 000 points yeah i went in the room and row for a little while i came but that's what i'll do yeah like if this is not my water watch i sacrifice a little there you go yeah you got to give a little but i used to get on lead you lead 20 something years old i'm 20 something

years old i'm getting my dick sucked i'm not gonna sit there with eight idiots at a bar well hold he held them under the points if you're getting paid for it you know what i'm saying right if you're not getting paid to study all those stats yeah but you're a dumb fuck during the week i don't want to sit with the other sunday it's all fucking day right yeah yeah billy i grew up at the garden sure yeah billy i went to three julia serving christmas games at the garden once with chuck mcgreen when julia started on christmas day i'm one of those assholes okay i took a bus to see moses malone with the houston rockets when the nets play that piscata way this is the rack okay there's a there's a surprise about that you had to take a bus to

pull authority and switch buses so we didn't get home till two in the morning meet chuck mcgreen to see moses malone at houston when he was 2020 and 20 every night 20 rebounds 20 points and 20 smacks to the face somebody got beat up i did shit i went to i went to i drove to philadelphia to see his sixes i drove to unendale to see the nets as a kid right did everything i went to see i was there when p rose beat up bud harrelson you were at that game we had 1973 i went to maybe 10 fucking ranger games i went to maybe two islander games you know i went to just one jet game i never liked the jets to see it out there but i went to i don't know how many countless giant games how many fucking general games did i go to how many general games did i fucking go to you know what i'm saying

in 90 degree weather and you know what i'm saying so for me to admit this to you as a sports guy i mean i don't know about life changes though life i totally get it was the weirdest thing and i like gamble for a while and once i left north bergen i said you know what i'll never gamble again and now i totally gamble on this he won't because he's got a fucking you know so he won't bat and then he'll come to me and say how did you know come on that's what we grew up in right now i see all the moves and then once you see a team you know how they're tailored you start looking at their line and you see how they start fucking killing people whatever brady has a high line that means he's going to shut the lights out on you that means your world's going to come through you

know what i'm saying like you're done but i just uh yeah i just knew it because you know obviously my job but yeah yeah and your fucking job and it's for me it just it's become fun again like for a while i was like you're right i kept one eye on it running around with the kids but uh but i could totally see that though because there's a lot there's a lot there there are so many demands on your time and it disappoints me is that right yeah american sure it disappoints me but it disappoints me in the same way i'm disappointed by that okay i'm not looking for a handout billy but there's not a situation where i could come over here and go billy what are you doing today nothing let's get the fuck out of here let's go see a fucking lake again and we go down there mean you

go over to the place and we throw a stake down our throat and we grab lee and we smoke a number with lee and then we walk over you know what you want to charge me 65 and take it to the lake is i'm all in but i can't give you 185 for the top shelf right i gotta sit up there with angels i gotta sit up there all the way up at the top for 185 i can't do it yeah i can't do it yeah sure no i get that i saw julia serving for 15 right yeah 1250 i saw julia serving on christmas day you want to bother me with 185 to see these pathetic smugs went up and down it breaks my heart that i don't go to 15 dodging games a year i grew up at chase day i'm cuban right yeah sure but you know what i don't like what they're doing to the american public a family of four has to pay

50 dollars to park or if they want to save the 50 i'll take a train like yeah like fucking uh ugoslavians on the fourth go suck my dick that's why i'm a little yeah that's a good point i think the money situation of sports killed me i just got my first movie i go to cosco and i get two tickets for the dodgers two hot dogs two sodas and two pretzels and parking for $50 at cosco yeah and you go there with it's like a halfway empty game and they'll upgrade you and mean you go we see listen i got four good innings right right i got four innings before i look at you know we gotta get the fuck out of here mezzar in town next week by the way yeah that's great you go there sit with those fucking knuckleheads those fucking let's go mezz at dodger stadium then you walk around

with a concussion helmet the rest of your life for the ball because you want to sit with a bunch of new yorkers get the fuck out of here i'll watch it for three innings and i'm fucking happy that's the other thing that people just became i don't want to go to a fucking game and get beat up yeah yeah it's crazy i don't want to wear a mad hat and get beat up or a dodger hat this guy goes with a mexican chick they're gonna kill him one day you know you know fucking some pecker woods hanging out with a many kind of you don't need that your life either you go or she goes you can't go together the dodger games really get killed yeah maybe i mean they did that i think i don't think they care about it if your team is not a rival it's a joke it's a fucking joke cuck sucka billy horrendo

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Can't we call them threats? Can't we call them threats? Can't we call them threats? Can't we call them threats? Can't we call them threats? Can't we call them threats? Can't we call them threats? We're not gonna place when we don't want God

I lock the door Can't hold the light No one's coming home tonight Can't we call them threats? Can't we call them threats? Nobody knows that we must get through I am the enemy and you Oh, we're not gonna place when we don't want God

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