Uncle Joey's Joint with Joey Diaz - #564 - Big John McCarthy

Episode Date: March 5, 2018

Big John McCarthy, currently the newest Bellator MMA color commentator, a combat sports referee who has officiated countless UFC fights, and a veteran of the LAPD, joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt LIVE in studio. This podcast is brought to you by: Burger King - The new Spicy Crispy Chicken Sandwich is part of the 2 for $6 deal, only at Burger King.  Square Space - Go to squarespace.com and use promo code "church' for 10% off of your first purchase of a website or domain.  Onnit.com. Use Promo code CHURCH for a 10% discount at checkout  

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The rent is due. One child grows up to be. Oh shit. Somebody that just loves to learn and out. Another child grows up to be. Somebody you just love to burn. Mom loves the bull to them. It's in the blood.

It's in the fucking blood. Both kids are good mom. Mugs thicker than the mud. Oh shit. Big John McCarthy, the Christ killer. It's a fucking party on a Monday morning. Oh shit. Big John in the house.

What up, brother? I can't call it another great weekend in Paradise here in Los Angeles. Thank you for coming on, Lee Syat. The man of fucking steel took him three days to recover from the mushrooms. We got fucked up, Lee. We can't keep doing that to each other.

I'm too old. I'm a bad influence to him, so. You're a young guy, you gotta look after me. I'm an old man. There's no mushrooms and shit and fucking edibles. I went to ballet. Ballet? My daughter goes on when she goes to ballet.

So your daughter was doing ballet? Not you. No, thank you. Which wouldn't be bad, it's good for your balance and shit. That was good for you. I see a male ballet's thighs. Oh yeah, strong as hell. They're fucking, like, there used to be that Yankee

that was the Japanese guy. Remember a couple of years ago, there was a Yankee? The picture? No, he was like. Oh, a Deki Matsui. Deki Matsui's fucking legs. The muscles, you would see the muscles come through baseball pants.

That's pretty intense when you see that V. Oh yeah. That's the V you have till you're like 22. Then it just, it goes away, man. So we had that V at fucking 35 still. What's up, brother? Dude, I'm just looking. Just chilling.

Out of the referee game, you have to put up with that shit no more. Fucking, a fucking replays and knees to the fucking head. You don't gotta deal with this shit no more. You're a Bellator, you got a nice job, you flying the night before. Do you have to do the weigh-in? You know, I'm actually, I'm actually

at the fights a lot sooner now than I was when I was refereeing, because when I was refereeing, sometimes I come in day of the show. And now I come in, if it's a fight on a Friday, I'm coming in on a Tuesday, I'm doing work. Do fighter meetings and things on Wednesdays, do production meetings and stuff on the Thursdays. Do another frickin' rehearsal on Friday

and do the show on Friday, so. Pretty interesting thing you said before the podcast started. You're 55 and you're on your third career. That's exactly it. You know, when you look back at things and you go, how the fuck did I get here? You know, I started off, man, I was a dumb thug bouncer,

you know, I'm bouncer to make money and then I ended up, you know, getting on LAPD and that was a good career and I made a good career out of it. I was happy with it. I met a lot of good people, got to, you know, do things that were fun. And then the refing with, you know, MMA just became something,

just got bigger and bigger and better. I did that for 25 years, you know, in 24. And now it's, I get another chance to have another career, you know, still working in MMA, which I love, you know, I will always love, it's a passion of mine, but I'm a lucky dude. I am fucking lucky. Good for you.

Yeah, you made 20 years in the fuck, 25 years as a police officer, that's a tough gig. You leave the house, you don't know what the fuck. Dude, I could, I could not do it now under, under the, under the parameters and things that they do now. I'd have gotten fired. I got to ask you a question off base here. Yeah.

Did you know Charlie Beck? Yeah. When I came off probation, I went to Southwest division. Charlie Beck was my sergeant. How cool was he? Actually, he was a good guy then. He was, you know, he was big into racing dirt bike motorcycles. He was into motocross.

And so, you know, it was something I did as a kid for a long time. So, you know, we would talk about that. He was a nice guy. He actually had a, his father was really, you know, big on the LAPD before he was a commander on the LAPD. And so that's all I knew of him and stuff. And then, you know, he went his way

and I went mine and he became the chief. Now I would bet, you know, the new chief that's coming up, one of my classmates, Beatrice Girmala is up for that job. And I'd be surprised if she didn't get it. So she white black, she's white, but you know what? Smart girl was always dedicated towards being a police officer. She's crazy about certain things, you know, but a climber, she was definitely not like me.

I, you know, I was one of the dumb grunts. I liked being just the street guy or the guy that was teaching and stuff that, you know, I enjoyed that. I didn't ever want to be the supervisor. I didn't want to be the guy going around writing paper on people. So I never climbed.

I want to meet Charlie Beck. You want to meet, how about if I get him on your podcast? You know what? I like him, but I want to talk to him man to man, like about police issues. Like I really like him a lot, but I don't, like I like his eyes, I like his face. I don't, I fucking hate when he has to make a statement

and he's contradicting himself. I want to pull him aside and go, Charlie, can I talk to him? That's who he's Charlie Beck? That's called politics. He's the police captain. Chief of police for LA for the last eight years. And I like everything about him, but there's like, I like to go to his office one day

as an ex criminal, go Charlie. Let me tell you what the fuck I see on the street that you guys are doing wrong. That you're, what you're focusing on. Talk to me, I want to hear it, let's hear it. What he's focusing on and what he should be doing are two different things. Lee and I, about two years ago, I was having surgery

or something and Lee was kind enough to drive. It was a fucking Monday morning. Bumper to bumper traffic. By the time we get there, you know who's causing the traffic? A fucking cop. Now on a Monday morning, please do me a favor. All right, you have a call, but why do you have to park sideways like this into the fucking street

to make people go around into one lane on a Friday? And when you got there, they were talking to a homeless guy. I can see if they were in pursuit of 187, you know, a gang member, it's shit like that, that, that, you know. It's called common sense. Common sense. And you can't give it, look at it. It's the one thing that I learned, man.

You know, when I, when I was at the end of my career, I was teaching career, I was teaching up at the academy and I would have 50 people in a class, 50 people and 35 of them would have a degree. And I mean, a degree from a BA, BS to an MBA to certain people that had PhDs becoming police officers. All right, about 15 of them would be, you know, either military background

or they were just high school, you know, educated. But man, the one thing I learned is, I don't give a goddamn how much education you have. If you don't have common sense, you're an idiot. And these people did not have the ability to make decisions. They could have this great educational background, but to make a decision now, they could not do it

because they were growing up in an, in a time that was different than when you and I did. Think about when you were young and you were going out on the streets, seven o'clock in the morning, you were out the door, boom. You were going down to whoever, Stevie's house, whatever it was, Vinnie's house, and you're out doing things.

You're out making decisions and those decisions most of the time were stupid as hell, but you made them. And then you paid the consequence form at times. You know, and I did the same thing, but through that we learned, we learned how to make decisions. And we knew, you know what, this is a really stupid fucking decision, but this is what I want to do. And when you got smacked for it, you go, I deserved it.

It wasn't other people making decisions for you. You knew when you were supposed to be, when your mom told you, I want you home at, you knew you were getting your ass there at that time. Or you had consequences. And these people have grown up nowadays, they're growing up, they don't make any decisions. Their mommies and daddies take them when they're gonna play,

they have a play date, they have someone that's watching them the whole time, because we have this idea that the world is so much more dangerous now than it was when we were growing up when, no, it's just more out in the media. There's more social aspects to it. There's still the same number of pedophiles out there.

We had the same number of pedophiles back in the frickin' 70s. They just weren't on TV in the same context. But we were making decisions, and those decisions have now formed who you are as a person at 55. And you can make decisions now, you make decisions as far as, hey, that's a stupid way of going, I'm gonna go about doing this this way.

And I learned through, it doesn't matter what your educational background is. You have got to start making decisions as a kid. Play is something that we need our kids to play without parents interfering, because in play, they make decisions, they're learning. That's a good part of what they need to do to make themselves successful when they become adults.

And we don't let that happen, and it shows. And it shows just like what you're saying. You got someone pullin' over a homeless person, parkin' their frickin' car in the middle street, on a Monday morning, during a much shower. Same thing, stupid. I feel that, because of the media, the police and society have put a distance between themselves.

When I was younger, even though I was a criminal, I had constant contact with police. Constantly, because you had guys on footbeat where you were at, man. The footbeat. I had footbeat, and I was telling him a story. When I was growing up, there was a cop in Jersey that looked like Phil Simms,

and he had to beat by the high school. And I had a friend that bet the Giants one day, and Phil Simms fucked up the game. So he just hated that cop on principle. And he would get drunk and look at Phil Simms and go, without that badge and that fuckin' gun, I'd fuck you up. This went on for years, from the time the kid was 16.

And then one time when we were like 17, my friend got into a fight, and Phil Simms actually brought him home. And Phil Simms was telling his dad what he did, and he opened up the window, and he's like, dad, fuck him. I'll fuckin' fight him right now. Tell him to drop the gun, Phil Simms is a pussy.

But it didn't matter. We had a relationship with Phil. Yep, I tried to walk in. Six months ago, I had an idea. I have a child now. You know, I'm concerned about different things. Kids don't play on the street. I went over to Starbucks, meet a cop day at Starbucks.

So I went down, and I started asking the person, the cop, is there no PAL around here? They looked at me like I was a fuckin' Martian. They go, what's the PAL? I go, PAL's a building that every town has that the cops fuckin' go there when they're off duty, and they communicate with kids, and they have a PAL boxing league,

and they had a PAL baseball league. You could go to PAL, it's how I learned how to shoot a gun in New York, it's how I learned how to shoot a pool. They did all these things, they took you swimming. That gave the chance for the kids to meet these cops and build a bond. You were never in trouble, because the PAL was right there.

We're taking off things now from law enforcement that were so effective in the 70s, like the beat cop, that you became, there's a beat cop that would walk from fuckin' Riverside and lengthen him all the way up to, where the movie theater, where the train station is. There's two of them, one from eight to four, and one from four to 12, and he stops in, he's caught,

and you get to meet him, Lee. This was a different society. The biggest deterrent to crime is a cop with a uniform on. That's the biggest, if I'm a criminal and I know there's a beat cop, that's a deterrent. I'm not gonna walk, now, there's two types of beat cops when I was growing up.

There were the beat cops that they wouldn't arrest you. They knew your mother, and they knew your father. They threw a fuckin' beatin' on you. They backhand you, and there's nothing you, you wouldn't tell your mom Big John hit you, because then she called Big John and find out exactly what the fuck you did. So Big John had a relationship,

like Big John manned this area. If we broke a window, Big John would come up and go, I'm not gonna arrest you guys, but come on, cross the street, go over to Mrs. McCarthy's house, cut a deal, how you gonna pay it back. It was more community involved, the police, now we're younger, we don't have this no more. And so right now, as Americans, we watch TV,

and all we see is negativity from the police department. They shot a black kid, they shot this guy, they shot a woman in the head who had three kids. We weren't there. We don't know what the fuck's happening. But because the police has distanced themselves from us, we've lost trust in them in a way, in this society. Are they busier now, is there a reason

why they're stopping them not doing all these programs? No, if you look at, just take a look at, look at the city of Los Angeles. The city of Los Angeles is 487 square miles. And back when I first came on, it had 6,300 police officers. Now you figure how many of them are working on us, because you got certain ones that are working,

different special units and things like that. But division-wise, we had 18 divisions. You've got three shifts on each of those divisions. You can figure out, on a given time, out on the streets of Los Angeles, you probably had 150 to 500 officers at the most at any given time. And you look at the distance they have to travel.

They put them in cars, because that was the way to get things done fast, because that was the easiest way to get the officers from one section to another. And they took away that whole footbeats and took away the ability for the officers to actually have interactions with the community that were not bad.

Because when you look at, you know, when do you see the police officers? Well, I get these lights coming up behind me, and they're pulling me over, because now they're gonna say that I ran a red light, or I'm speeding, or whatever it is. It's a negative contact. Or I'm calling them,

because somebody went and did something. They broke into my car, broke into my home, and I got screwed over by them, taking my stuff, and so I'm calling them. And so again, it's a negative situation that they're coming into. And I'm not happy to see them, because they're not doing me any good,

because they're not gonna get me my stuff back. And so every time, now for the most part, it's a negative contact that's occurring instead of that positivity that was there when you had officers that were able to go into the community and talk with, you know, just the citizens, go to, you know, house to house, business to business, and they knew,

they knew that, you know, Bob works the shift from here, and they knew that Bob would be there at a certain time, and they knew Bob would take care of a problem if they had a problem. And that's the old style that you were used to, you know, growing up, it doesn't happen anymore. It's even, even if you watch Dirty Harry, when he walks out, he comes back,

and he goes, I've been coming here for 12 years. Susan knows I drink my coffee black, she's waiting on me every year. The sugar all through, remember? She kept pouring the sugar. She got like, and he knew there was something up, because he went there every fucking day. Even the community knows when you're coming.

So before I would steal, when I was a kid, I knew what cop was on the beat, and what, like, I remember one night breaking into a house, that I had broken into three times when I was 16 in one year, and the cop lived right on the corner, and at four in the morning, the first time I got in there, he had no alarm. The second time I got in there, he had no alarm,

but the third time he had a fucking laser alarm, and this motherfucker, I'm like, so I go in, the alarm goes off, and I run to my buddy's house, and I go, dog, I gotta get home, and the cops are gonna be there. Let me your girlfriend, because she lives in that neighborhood,

let her walk me home, and then she could walk home, and we'll say we'll walk them, then we're all together, and I'll never forget walking back with her, and that cop was with his underwear, with a robe outside, talking to another cop, and he looked at me, he goes, you break into that fucking house again, talk sucka, you know, I told you,

one time we were, we would talk to, and when we graduated high school, we got into this pattern that we would go out at night and fuck with people, like if we were drinking in that parking lot, and somebody would come over and go, do you guys have a light? We'd start talking to them, and if it was four of us, we'd go, you know, you look kind of cute tonight,

if it was a guy, and he'd go, what are you guys, gay? We wanna suck your dick, and we'd like say shit to him until he left, and one night, we're telling this guy, you know what, you look fucking great tonight, we wanna suck your dick, and the cop is going back, and he's like, officers, these young guys, they wanna rape me, they wanna suck my dick,

the cop took a report from him and said, he goes, you stay right here, and he walked over to us, he goes, me ask you guys something, I need this in my fucking life, he goes, I need this, he goes, do me a favor, he goes, it's a quarter to 12, I'm just gonna drop this guy off here, after 12, after I sign out of this shit,

if you wanna take him in the park and fuck him in the ass, that's on you, but until 12 o'clock, don't bother. Don't fucking touch him. Don't touch until 12, or take him across the street, because it became a different jurisdiction, the cops knew us, the cops knew us since kids, that made you think twice about doing something, that made you, you know, it embarrassed you in a way,

if I get busted, he's gonna say I got busted, he was my baseball coach, the cops were more involved, I was pissed, when I went to that police station and talked to them, after I went to visit the cop day at Starbucks, and I asked them, I said, they're like, come down, they treated me like I was a fucking Martian at that North Hollywood station.

That is what is absolutely ridiculous. It's just totally, completely, it's like the police should be working to get people to want to know who they are, have them know who they are, and to be part of the community, because look it, everything that I did as a police officer, I was helped so many times by people in the community,

little old ladies that would sit there and someone would say, oh, you know, I beat them up or something like that, and she would go, oh no, no, no, I saw it all, and she's the one that kept me from getting in trouble, because it was my word against his word. Now, did I beat his ass? Yeah, I did, but there was a reason, he went and tried to do something to me,

and that little old lady would, no, no, no, I saw it, he hit him first, and so it took care of things, and that was because, you know, you would go, hey, take the time instead of getting back in the car and getting on the stupid computer and going from one call to the next, take the time to start talking to people, talk to the people in the community,

hey, how's everything going? You're doing okay, you have any problems, because all people want, I don't give a damn where it's at, everywhere I've been in this world, most people just want to work their jobs, take care of their families, and be left alone, and I mean left alone from the bad guys, and left alone from the police too,

as far as they don't want to be stopped, they don't want any of that, it's all the same, and start to get to know people, you'll have a lot easier time with your job. I learned how to deal, like I've never, ever, ever had a beef with a police officer. Oh, I have. No, no, no, just because of my relationship with cops

as I was growing up, the guy that adopted me was kind of a, he was a detective, he was a rogue detective, he was the mayor's driver, which meant he could do whatever the fuck you wanted, so, you know, one of my best friends growing up was a cop, plus when I was a kid, I saw how my mom's book-making operation, how the cop book-making was considered, look, the cops would even come in

and place bets, do you think? They would come in and place their numbers bets, they were Spanish, they had the same thing, so, I always knew when they come in to raid the numbers thing, they would sit us on the couch, do their thing, my mom would offer them a drink, it was fucking hilarious. Now they come in with guns drawn, and guns again,

you know, in the old days, everybody knew what time it was, sit on the couch, we don't look around for an hour, they go through your papers, they go through your fucking papers, so I always, I was such a good criminal, at one time, I was such a good fucking criminal. That's why I ended up in prison. No, but I was such a good criminal, no, no, I mean, such a well-behaved criminal,

when I was around police, that one time I got arrested, and I had a warrant somewhere else, and the cop picked me up, and I talked him into stopping at a Chinese restaurant, and he told me, because I can't believe you're eating this shit, and I go, why? He goes, because we do the stakeout once in there, and when the lights went out, we could hear the rats, they were like people walking, he goes,

I wouldn't eat in there, but that's how good of a criminal I always was, like I was always at least polite, I never, ever, ever had a problem with cops, ever, even when I got arrested, I'd just keep my mouth shut, put my hands back, get in the car, when he say nothing, keep your fucking mouth shut, you know, if he's nice, you're nice, I never, ever,

even when I went through the system, nothing, nothing, never had a beef with a fucking cop. I don't know if this is everywhere, but a couple years ago, I was driving through the canyons, cold water, and I had a cop, because Google Maps just told me to go straight, and I noticed as you're going, it's between this time and this time, you can't go down here without having a pass,

this cop pulled like three people over, he wasn't even in a car, he just had an LAPD jacket on, and pointed at us to pull over, and I was like, don't come down here again, and I found out later that it's just, like it's an area for rich, like it's where the rich people live, and I don't know, I was wondering, I always wondered,

if it was like some sort of detail, like how that works, like that's the sort of stuff that would upset me about cops, is like stuff where it feels like it's not fair, or they're doing stuff that isn't like police work, like he was, he threatened to give everyone a ticket for going down that way, he was on cold water. He can't give you a ticket for going down a public street. And that's why I thought it was a scam,

because he didn't have a police, his police car was pulled over, and he just had an LAPD jacket on, so I thought like the neighborhood hired the cop or something. You know what, what certain streets can do is they can actually become private streets, and they can, you'll see they'll put barriers up,

and they'll put speed bumps inside, and that's because the people there do have money, and they've said that they will take over, and they pay a certain amount to do things as far as putting in those things, and they'll hire security or something like that, and it could be an off duty police officer, but until that sucker has a barrier up,

I'm driving more than hell I want on a public street. See, and that's like the confidence that you have, because me, like Joe, like Joe, I mean, I'm probably even more polite than Joey, just because I'm terrified. Well, I live, I'm polite to him, look it, the one thing, here's one of the things that's so funny, I used to do all kinds of stuff with taking people

that were anti-police, and that's okay, you know, I understand, everyone grows up differently, and you can have bad incidents, you know, a bad incident happen in your life that makes you feel a certain way about police officers, but I had people that would, you know, they were in groups that, you know, would protest against police officers and stuff,

and they actually came up to the academy, because they're talking about police officers shooting people and why, and there should never be any reasons, and I would put them through scenarios, and I would explain, I would put them through training that we would actually do for police officers, and put them through scenarios and say, okay, I want you to, you're the police officer,

and you're gonna deal with this, and they always, always shot someone they should not shoot, okay, because they got scared, or they were killed multiple times, because they weren't gonna shoot, and they were just killed by someone coming out, just making them look, and they're going, well, what am I, you're supposed to be the person

that is here to protect the public. When you have that person who's a deadly threat to the police, you need to do this job, right? And I'd put them back through the same scenario, and they would screw it up completely, and finally they get to the point of, I don't know what to do, really. It's not that easy, is it?

Okay, there's decisions to be made, but the one thing that, you know, I don't care who it was, you can tell people, look it, one of the biggest problems that we have between citizens and police officers is mouths, be it the police officer's mouth, or the citizen's mouth. And if you get stopped by the police, okay, if I get stopped by the police,

my hands are on the steering wheel, okay? I roll down the window before they come up, and my hands stay on the steering wheel, and I say, hello, officer, how you doing? Right, and they're gonna sit there and say, do you know that you're whatever it was? No, I didn't, you know, license and registration, okay? My license is in my back pocket, in my wallet,

and my registration is in that glove box, and they're gonna tell me, go ahead and reach for it, and I reach for it, and I get them, and I give them to them. Sir, just wait right here, and they go off. You know, the first week I was in Vegas, the first week I lived in Vegas, I got pulled over for speeding, and this is exactly what happens,

and then, you know, he comes up, and he's got a ticket for me, and he says, you know, sir, you know, you can appear on such and such date. Yes, sir, he says, I need you to sign here, this is, you know, I'm not stating guilt, and I sign the ticket, and I hand the ticket, and he gives me the ticket, and I leave, now, am I happy I got a ticket?

No, but I am never in fear of the officer doing something that is going to hurt me if I don't give them anything to fear in return. It's when I start to not comply. Why is it that I'm not complying? If you're the police officer, and you make this stop on this car that's speeding, all you know is that you have someone that's speeding,

but the person in the car could have been someone that just committed a robbery, just committed a rape, just committed some type of crime, and when they get stopped by the police officer in their mind, why did the police officer stop them for speed, or do they know what I just did? Because you're always wondering, what does the officer know?

And that's the problem, because now if you are that person that did the crime, you're trying to weasel your way out of trying to get certain indications and say, well, I haven't done anything, and then the officer starts to get more interest in, why are you not just doing the things that I'm asking you to do?

And then it leads to more. You as the civilian, if you just comply, you give the license when they ask it, you do that, you never have to worry about ever getting hurt by a police officer. It's when you start going off the rails and deciding I want to be confrontational. Congratulations, you just put yourself

in a position where possibly you could get hurt. It's your choice. I've seen it. I've seen it a thousand fucking times. And I mean, like I said, I've gotten to the, I've been arrested so many times, and I used to laugh with the cops, I'd laugh with them. Like I'd have them laugh, and next thing you know,

I was in a thing with no handcuffs on and giggling, just because I always grew up, believe it or not, with like a respect towards cops. Like I really, I grew up at that PAL when I moved to Jersey, that's all I hung out with was cops. And I knew there were dirty cops and all that. I didn't get involved in that. I looked at the guys, like I used to play,

I used to play basketball with this cop Ray Ernesto. And we used to goof on him. We were 16, he was 30, but he'd always wear colored socks. And it would draw Mr. Ernesto. But Mr. Ernesto was a fucking great cop. And I remember one night I went out to this party and my friends made it. They took all their parents' booze

and put it in like a garbage container and with ice and they put bees in it. We've all done that, that was a mistake. And I drank some of it and I woke up on Jimmy Sinselo's front balcony and it was Mr. Ernesto that woke me up, cuckoo, you wanna ride home? And he gave me a ride home and he's like, you can't drink, you know, this is how you feel

when you drink. And he tried to talk to me. He carried me up to my door, I puked on me and shit. You know, I knew these guys, I knew them growing up and I had this, so over the years, I could tell you a thousand, just like when I got out of prison, I wrote the arresting officer, the two arresting officers, the judge and the DA letter,

an apology letter. Wow, okay. And my job was when I got out of prison to keep in touch with the judge. He gave me a chance. So I didn't wanna prove him wrong. So I kept in touch with this judge. I wrote him a letter every 90 days,

whether he fucking read the letter or not, you know. He read the letter. He read the letter. And then I went in front of him once during my divorce. He was now a civil judge and nobody remembered. And my ex-wife started saying all this shit and he goes, time out here. You were the one that was in court three years ago,

praising his fucking thing and now you're coming here and telling me that he's a piece of shit, get the fuck out of here, contempt the court. And it was because of that. The one arresting officer, Italian guy, away from Spain, he was involved in little girl murder. In fact, CBS just did a show about a year ago about the little girl they murdered in Boulder,

John Ramsey and he was deep in that. He was very nice to me. When I wrote them the letter, I bumped into him like three months later and he goes, amen, you fucked up and you paid to do for society. The main arresting officer, his name was Kola. He was just a scumbag.

Like he just didn't see it. Like he just, I wrote him a letter and then when I went to court with my wife, he backed my wife. He showed up with my wife and her new husband. He never really, till this day, that dude, Jimmy Kola, was a detective that was involved in the bottle fuken, John Benet Ramsey was a different guy, this white dude.

Until today, if he would have been such a good cop, I wouldn't be here because he didn't do the homework on me. That dumb motherfucker, he didn't do the homework. I was sitting there sweating bullets throughout the whole thing. He had made contact with me a year earlier on a complete different case that could have hung me. It could have cost me another 10 years and I split town.

And when I turned myself in, he was now a detective. And the whole time I'm sitting there going, when is this motherfucker gonna remember me? And I kept going to preliminary hearings. I kept waiting for them to draw up the old case. They never picked up the old case. You know, it's one of those crazy things. It's like, people change and they do.

They do change. You know, they do and you can't, I'm watching this. There's a thing, it's on CNN. I never watched CNN, but all of a sudden, I started getting people calling me saying, man, I'm seeing your dad on TV, you know. Your dad was part of the SLA shoot on this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And there's this whole series on Patricia Hearst. Yeah, that just came on last week. Yeah, it's the, what do they call it, the frack. Your dad was a cop? Yeah. Oh yeah, my dad is famous here in LA. So your dad was in the shootout with those IRA people? Oh, it was the SLA, yeah, yeah.

Now let me tell you a story. The cop I told you about that drove for the mayor when the feds raided this house, they found the machine on that Patty Hearst hat and the robber. That's how DP was in. Kanye. Yeah, what was it called? The, the tour.

I can't, something. Federation, something terrorist of Patty Hearst or whatever it was. I don't know. But, you know, I'm watching that and they got, you know, I can remember from my dad, you know, I remember, you know, he brought in the pictures of what, you know, what the people looked like after all kinds of stuff. But I remember Bill and Emily Harris were two of the ones

that kidnapped Patty Hearst. You know, there was a Donald DeFries. They called him Sin Q. He was one of the ones that was that, you know, Willie Wolf and six of them died in that shootout. But here is William Harris, Bill Harris sitting there and being interviewed about this whole kidnapping of Patty Hearst and everything that they were doing.

And, you know, the, the, the, you know, he talking about him going and shoplifting at Mel's sporting goods. And when she fired 30 rounds over, you know, his head and stuff. And I'm sitting there and I can remember when I was a kid, that was a bad dude. Man, he was, you know, he was radical. He was crazy. He was bad.

And I'm watching him, I'm listening to him and I'm going, man, time fucking mellows all of us, dude, because he's not a bad dude anymore. And he's just, you know, he's just a normal guy who had fricking crazy, fricking radical thoughts back then. And now he's an older guy doing PI work. And you look and go, dude, a lot of people change, not everybody, but a lot of people.

And you got to let him like people accusing Dustin Hoffman of sexual harassment from 1980. No, that's ridiculous. I don't like that shit. Even if he did it, if it happened in 1980 and you had an awakening, call him up and go, Hey, why didn't you say something back? I feel this way about what happened. I'm not going to call CNN or me too, because people change.

Yeah. People really fucking change. And I've seen it on 55. I've seen people make dramatic changes. I've seen myself change. What I feel about now and 20 years ago, a two complete different fucking people. Well, that's a very interesting thing you're saying,

because being the son of a police officer, I wouldn't like, it wouldn't shock me and I wouldn't think poorly of you. If you were like, I don't like, I don't like Joey, he went to prison. He was a criminal for like, like it's, it's a weird thing. It's, it's like, it's like, it's, it's, I don't think everyone has the ability to understand that people change. Like it's, it would be easy to just be like, no, they don't change. Now, man, people, look at it, you make mistake with who's the person

that can actually sit there and go, I've never made a mistake. We all make mistakes. I ain't, come on, man. I've made a lot of them. I'm Johnny mistakes. There you go. But the whole thing is, it's like, man, if you make a mistake, be a man, be a, be a standup woman and say, I made a mistake.

I understand I made a mistake. Okay. I'll take my punishment if that's what comes with it, or I'm going to learn from the mistake. I'm going to learn how not to make that mistake. I don't want to move on. And you've got to do, we all got to move on in our lives. It's, it's just part of the whole process of life is.

You are going to, you're going to go through, just like I'm going through this, my third career, that's a third different stage in my life. And Hey, people change. You've got to give people second chances. That's why I don't, I don't appreciate that. I didn't like that part of this whole thing that was going on that people calling them when I was 14, you molested me, Chachi. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Scott Bale's got a whole deal. You know, listen, man, if you had a beef, if, if I see it on paper that you did have a beef and they swept it, that's a different story. But then he, but I watched that thing and I'm listening to him. He's going on. Good morning, American stuff like that. The girl puts out information saying that she had sex with Scott Bale long

after Charles in charge or whatever the show he had, you know, was off the air. And when he, she was on the air with him, it ended when she was 17, 18 years old. And she's saying she had sex with him several years afterwards. Well, that makes her an adult. I'm not saying that he should have had sex with her. I'm not saying he's right, but that's not illegal. And she's an adult at that point. And now she's trying to say, no, it happened during the show.

And he's saying, tell me when, tell me where all these people are there. Everyone, you know, this is not like, oh, we have, you know, separate time. You are watched by these teachers and all this stuff. And you're looking and you're going, why are you, why are you bringing this up in this fashion? I look at, I'm the first person I do not appreciate someone like Harvey Weinstein who has power over people and utilizes that power to do nasty things, to hurt their lives or to hurt their, you know, their personas and their, the, the person

that they are by making them feel like if they don't do something that he wants, he's going to take things away from them. That's a nasty individual and he needs to be dealt with any, any, you know, female that was assaulted by him, I feel bad for, I'm sorry. But when you have a situation where you put yourself in that and now you want to say, well, I was underage, it's like, why didn't you say something back then? You know, come on. Nothing drives me crazy in that.

And that's what pisses me off about this whole thing that I believe in my head. I've seen people change. Like in front of me, I've seen people on Facebook that were crazy. And I was over 20 and now they're popping up with kids and the kids are in college and they got a job. Having kids changes your life. Tell me it doesn't. Yeah, it does.

Yeah. I do. You talk about fine. I tell you, you know, like Eddie Bravo, I love Eddie. Eddie's a great guy. And he's a crazy sucker. And then he ends up having a kid. Man, life's about his kid now.

Life's about the time he gets to spend with his kid and what he gets to do. And it's like, look at you, man. You're a different dude. That's awesome. You know, that's the way it's supposed to be. We all grow up and we figure out what is important in life. You know, when you were younger, when I was younger, what was the most important thing getting laid and getting money?

OK, money got me the other things I wanted and sometimes could get you laid too. But it was all about, man, money was the most important thing. Is money the most important thing? Not now at fifty five. It's not. You know, I figure I was telling me this the other day that when you get into comedy, you get so broke, you get to a point where you enjoy it. You are the comedy journey is not knowing what's going to happen.

All I know is tonight I'm going to do a show and pick up 50 bucks. That's all I fucking know. I don't know nothing else. When you get yourself to that state of mind. Nothing. I've been so broke that when I get a check, you know what I'm saying? What am I going to do with this? I've been so broke for so long that and you when I was in your right, we were

totally when we're not saying that when you're 25, you can't wait to get money. It's everything. And then you realize one day that you can have all the money in the world is not going to make you happy that you have to make your own happiness. You have to promote your own thing. It's, it's a different level of your life. When you come to that realization that you can't do nothing for you. You're happy in the hut.

Yeah. I tell people all the time, man, look at it. You know, I'm never going to be rich and I don't care, you know, but the one thing that I've figured out and I've known some very wealthy people, you know, the Fertitas are very wealthy people, you know, Mark Cuban, very wealthy person. They have all the money and they buy anything. No, they can't. You know what they can't buy?

Can't buy time, especially time that's gone by. You get 86,400 seconds every day. And it's how you spend those seconds of time that's valuable because once they're gone, I don't care how much money you have, you can't get them back. And so you figure out, you know what, look at, man, spend your time. Times the most valuable thing you have. It's who you spend it with, what you do, how you do it with them. That's what makes life special.

That's what is important. And you figure it out. It took me a long time too, but you figure it out over time. Took me a while. I thought that that was it. If you get money, that was the answer. Right. That was it.

And then one day you're like, no, I have no money, but I'm still having a good time. I'm all right. I don't need money. And I learned through comedy like fucking surviving on 50 bucks and change and eating subway sandwiches, the veggie sandwich. I was an LAPD police officer in Hollywood. That woman right there would give me five dollars. I'm not a fucking kidding.

Five dollars for the week to eat on. Okay. That was what I got. Now, I didn't say that I used to gamble a lot and I would take this and that's how I would eat too. But man, that was what I got to eat because we were broke because all my money went towards my family and my kids and keeping my kids in school and things like that was what was important to me.

But, you know, man, you look at all the things that you can buy property wise. Man, it's great to have the really nice car. And man, it's great. You know, if you get the boat or whatever it is, the nice big house, it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything. Man, you can't take it with you. It ain't going with you.

It's going to break down whatever it is, you know, all of it. The people that you meet that you spend quality time with and they do something that alters and enhances your life, that's it. That's everything. That's what you get out of comedy. The people that you actually get to go watch at times before you do your set and the people that you get to interact backstage and even beforehand, you guys are having a drink and it's just that common bond that you have with each

other and you're talking about doing something and someone's up there doing on stage and then you're listening to me, man, that fucker had something going there. That's the part of life, man. That's it. That's the special part and that's what you got to realize. I do the same thing with refereeing and telling people, I've said it too many times, but man, the part, you're never going to be rich.

I get all these people. How much money can you make with refereeing? Nothing. Quit trying to make money. It ain't going to happen, but you do get certain things out of it that are priceless. You get, I get to walk into these giant arenas. No one stops me and I don't pay for a fucking ticket.

Man, I get to go down. I get to talk to Joe Rogan. If it is, or I get to go talk with fricking any fighter and I, no one stops me priceless. It's because it's a moment that, you know what, it goes up here and I remember it and I can pull it back at any time and doesn't cost me a thing. When you were a cop, did you love being a cop? I did.

When you had the jiu-jitsu school, did you love running the jiu-jitsu school? Yes. When you were a referee, when you first loved it, still do and still miss it. If right now, if you didn't have a wife and two, three kids, would you referee for free? Oh, I told people all the time, man, you know, I can't believe they're paying you. I am glad that they don't realize that I would actually do it for free.

That's the problem that a lot of people take jobs for money. Oh, yeah. They don't take when you're, and they're miserable and they're fucking miserable. And when you're a kid and you're 18 and you're going, that's why I don't believe that kids should make the decision at 18 to pick a fucking major because they're going to pick it from some kids or fucking just, you know, I'm going to take a sociology major. You're going to be dead.

You might as well shoot yourself now, a sociology major and all that. I mean, I'm not putting nobody down. I'm just saying, but then you have people who become something and then after the four or five years or seven years, they go, I don't want to do this shit. I don't want to do this shit. This is fucking miserable. It looked good on TV. You know what I'm saying?

They look like they were having a good time on TV. And it's crazy how fast the world changes. Like kids now, like if I had known when I had known, maybe I would have gone to build apps or something or computer stuff. I always loved computers, but it just from the time that I graduated high school to the time I graduated college. Now there are smartphones and all these things that just didn't exist. So it's, it's, you can't, the more it's frustrating hearing you guys say, like,

oh, the money doesn't matter. So because I'm like slowly starting to realize it, but that was only the only thing I cared about. You think about to you till I got locked up when I was in prison money, you learned so much. Like once I went to prison, I learned one thing for sure that I didn't want to go back to prison. Right.

Like I knew right down in there. Like when you get to prison, there's people like, Hey, what's happening? This is Mac. What up? Where you been? Oh, I've been in, uh, what's the big prison here? Pelican Bay. I've been in this.

I want you want to be in. I've been in this one. I've been in this one. It becomes like a resume. It's like me. It's like you saying to me, so what movies have you been in? Spider-Man 2. The longest shot.

You, when you talk to these people behind the walls, Mrs. Mac status, it is the scariest fucking situation. You know, Johnny Mac over Pelican Bay. Yeah, we partied out one time. What are you talking about? You weren't fucking prison with them. What partied out? I don't know, baby, unless you showed each other your dicks.

What party did you fucking have? Yeah, I party with big John up in Pelican Bay. All of the, the conversations are like fucking retarded. You're like, so you really want to stay here, but after a couple of years, you just get institutionalized. And when you go out, they feel weird outside. They are uncomfortable in their skin. You know, I'm writing a chapter in a book right now.

It's taken me a long time because I was trying to get the essence of the chapter and it's when I got out of County after being in County for a month with kidnapping charges and aggravated robbery charges. And they reduced my bail because they said I didn't have any contacts in the community. I had no ties to the community, but then my father-in-law went in there and talked to the DA. He wasn't really my father-in-law.

I was just dating his daughter, but he was Lieutenant Colonel. And he went and talked to the DA, he talked to the prosecutor, he talked to my attorney, and they lowered the bail of $3,000 and I got out. It was County jail. And for the first month, what I went through in my head was horrible. You know, I, because my name came out in the paper as part of the thing. It was like I'm page nine, but it still came out in the fucking paper. I thought that everybody read the paper.

So when I would go to 7-Eleven, I thought you knew behind the counter that I had done that. And it almost drove, like it almost made me gave up at times. So I could see the different angles of being institutionalized. But once I got locked up, I knew one thing. I wasn't going back. I'll still do criminal thing, but above the, below the line type shit. You know what I'm saying?

Like Mr. Mean is if I get caught, like possession of stolen tools or something like that, something, you know, possession of something, but it's really not in my house. I'll get them in some way or another. It was fucking crazy, but I made my decision. And I don't know if I was going to change or not. You know, when I had the two families, I, I was pushed into a bad position and

I left with my ex-wife and the boyfriend. And I left because I knew it was going to end up in jail. I didn't want to end up in jail. Not a good place to have the rest of your life's good. You know, life is fucking really good, but you got to work at it. Yes. Like anything. Yes, you can't expect it to just come to you.

You got to work at it, but to sit there and look at doing something that puts you in a place where you don't have a say of where you can go and what you can do, man, that's tough. That's rough. And to be in prison, you do get institutionalized because you become so used to the system. You understand what I have to do to survive in here, what I have to do to get along and that's who you become.

And then when, if they do let you out, scary world out there, it is, and it's not scary in the fact of, oh, I'm worried about people doing something to me. Now you're worried about how do I survive without doing what I did that put me back there in the first place? Because, you know, look at, you do, you know, you're on parole. You got to tell people you're on parole. You know, people don't want to hire you. Now life just becomes rougher and everything becomes harder.

And you can sit there and say, it's not fair. And then you, or you can sit there and say, you know what? It doesn't matter how hard it's going to get. I'm going to, I am going to make this work. I'm going to survive. I came on the tail in the background checks. So I did really fucking good. Like I was, I was still doing all that shit when it took 30 days to

get your fingerprints from NCIC. All right. Like it wasn't on a laser thing. It goes, it comes up on the computer. It comes on the computer. So like I remember one time I got arrested for shoplifting when I was out on bail for the kidnapping, I spent a month in jail. I knew all these cops.

They called me Joey, but for that name, I gave him Jimmy something. I gave him a friend of mine's name that I had grown up with. They were calling me, Joey, Joey, good to see you. They were fingerprinting me and I'm looking at the card that's saying my alias on that. And I bailed out that night without an ID. I got a friend to call. I manipulated her on the phone to come down and bail me out under my name. And then I went to court under that name and I did the community service under

that name and years later when I got arrested, I was looking at the paperwork and court again, and they had the alias. I'm like, oh, no, it came up and now you're fucking dead. You get arrested right there. Boom. It comes right up. Oh yeah. Like I did, I did time with a guy in county that was driving one day with his wife and

his kid and some guy ran a red light and killed his wife and his kid. And he ran away from the scene. Nobody could understand why because he was wanted in Florida for 22 years ago. They arrested him. They thought he had alcohol on his system. He had no alcohol on his system. They let him his bail. Something, something was outstanding.

And after a month, it came back that he was a guy that killed his wife. So he was sitting in there for 30 days before they even found out. That's how slow the computer was. It used to be real slow. Payboard going back and forth. So I had a couple hours. Google is a bitch now. Really?

Dude, you find out anything on anybody, man, a.k.a. is anything. The biggest problem is sometimes you use these names and you give a date of birth and it is attached to you now forever. And then someone under that name with that date of birth does something and boom, it pops up on that screen for that police officer and guess who's going. And you're going, yeah, but look at you. You're going and it's like, you play that game.

They can come up and catch you. It's trouble. I used to have fun when I was in 1985. I'm living in San Francisco. And my job was to put a suit on and sit in a hotel lobby at the Hilton in the Tenderloin. And I would wait for people. I was waiting with the New York Times with glasses on.

And I'd wait for people to check in and I'd see what room they were coming into. And then people usually check in, drop their stuff and leave. But in San Francisco, they all had travelers checks. So I would follow the main. There was no electronic cards. The maid would leave the keys in the doors. I would creep up, take the key out of the door, take the master key. Oh, Mrs.

Mack, I was out on wheels and I would rob tourists. Carl Mulden, man, American Express. What was it? What was the call, man? Don't leave home without him. Don't leave home on the other streets of San. Well, my big thing was travelers checks because all you had to do is take the travelers checks to Japantown and they wouldn't ask you for an ID.

So you had a $50 travelers check. You buy a hat that says San Francisco for six ninety five to give you back forty three dollars in cash. Yeah, it's the same thing with counterfeit money. When you have 20s or 50s, you just go to bodegas in the Bronx and it's been shit. If you have fake 20s, you give them a 20 for something that's five dollars and you get 15 back and you do it all fucking day long. And you do one area at a time.

So everybody goes to the bank the same day with fake money and then you just can't go back there again. How do you get good at knowing like who's telling the truth? Big John, because like if I it sounds like a joke, but every time I watch cops, I believe everybody. I'm like, they're telling he said he didn't do it. He's in that. And then they always like nine out of ten times. They did it. And I'm like, oh, I don't I don't know how you believe anybody.

Like, I've heard it all. Right. Cops have heard it all. If you think that's crazy, wait till you go behind the walls. That's even crazy of invicts lying to each other. I was a big shot. I was a mafia. Let me bum a cigarette. What are you saying? You just told me you were in the fucking mafia.

Why would you want to bum a cigarette? It's hilarious. How do you deal with that? Like the bad cop, good cop. Now, in my world, they're all fucking lying at the lips of movies. First, you look at it, it's a game, you know? And so when you're looking and saying, I believe everyone, you usually, you know, everybody's lying.

OK. And most of the time, I'm going to get information beforehand. So I know the answer before I ask you the question. And so when you answer me, I know, oh, you are OK. You want to lie. No problem. That would piss me off as a cop. Like, I don't know. I don't know if I'd be able to do it for 20 years. Just like I'd be like, everyone's lying to me. I hate everybody.

They're all like that. Like I get why people get jaded if you're giving lie to me. That's all you can or you can look at. It's a game. Sometimes you win the game. Sometimes you lose at the game. But man, don't get all personal about it and stuff. They're going to lie to you. It's your job to set it up to where if they're lying,

you can make them look even stupider with what they're lying about. And now they're going to go away and you're going to put them in whatever the court systems do with them, they do with them. Don't take that personal either. That's a fucking tough job being a cop. It is. I'm telling you now. Now I couldn't do it. Couldn't do it.

It's what they want. They want they want police officers to be everything. They want them to be psychologists. They're supposed to be able to handle people that are bipolar, that are having mental breakdown. You're supposed to be able to take them. They want them to be physically able to control anybody without hurting them. You know, trust me, that ain't easy.

That ain't easy. You know, and it's like I was pretty good at, you know, doing things and not hurting people and putting them in bad situation, bad positions. But that you can't expect that out of every one of them. Because like all police officers are different. We're different sizes, different, you know, backgrounds. Some of us train in certain ways, some of us don't. They want you to be super human.

And they want you to put your life on the line in situations to go to the absolute end of everything by putting your life on the line. Because this person could take your life right now, but you're supposed to let that be out there so you don't take theirs. That's ridiculously. I had certain certain quals that I would, you know, look as a police officer. It's, you know, you had this Florida shooting and you have those four officers now. That were at the school, didn't go in.

Okay. You know, all I can say is I hope you have to live with yourself for a really long time. Thinking about that because you are a piece of crap. You are supposed to be the person that will put yourself in front of others to protect them. That's the oath that you took. I used to tell people all the time, they're way worse when I was teaching. I would tell people there are worse things than dying. Dying is not the worst thing that can happen to you.

Obviously we all want to live, but to die doing the right thing is not a horrible thing. Now I believed in that. I was taught that by my dad. My dad came up with all kinds of stuff that he put in my head. You know, he had David Goggins now has it at 40 and my dad had it before him. It was the 50% rule and the 50% rule was when you think that you're done, when you can't move, when you think that there's no air left for you to breathe, when you are absolutely at your worst, you're only 50% there.

There's another 50% to go, get going, get busy, do something. And that's the truth. Our mind will quit on us long before our body will. And so you've got to be in this position where you have certain things that you say, I will not be the person that stands by while somebody is attacking kids in a high school. And because I'm afraid I don't step forward. Now how many cops? I only read that there was one.

I didn't hear about four. Four total now. Well, there was one who was like the school police, the school police officer, and like the first few deputies didn't go in either. Yep. Look, I taught that man back when Columbine happened, we went and said, you cannot do what we used to do, which was, oh, we're going to set a perimeter around this problem.

And we're going to try to talk to these people that are inside actively taking kids' lives. Your job is to get your ass inside of that building, find that sucker, and make it so they can't hurt anybody else. That is what you get paid for. That is what those parents expect you to do. Is it scary? It's scary. I'm telling you right now.

It's okay if you have fear. Fear is a good thing. Fear tells you there's a problem. But courage is that element that when you are scared to death, you step forward and do it anyways. That's what you get paid for to be as a police officer in very specific moments of time. You have a choice. Make the right choice.

Do the right thing. This Florida shooting obviously grabbed a lot of people's attention. I mean, you know, as a parent, I have a five-year-old. I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking now. I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking. You know, do I move to Tennessee? This could happen anywhere. This could happen anywhere at any time at any fucking school.

But as a parent now, what do you do? What are we going to do? I mean, I'm seeing the NRA. I'm hearing all this shit. Listen, I could buy a gun in 10 fucking minutes. I'm a felon. I can make one call and have a gun here in 10 minutes. Or I could walk to the handball court.

Because that's where you buy the best guns at handball courts. Nice and used. They've killed eight people already for the small 50. Those motherfuckers don't miss, okay? If you get caught with it, you're going to get charged with eight different murders. I mean, we're giggling here and stuff. But this is the reality of this. This is the fucking reality.

I get a gun right now for 20 minutes. And if you give me a couple of days, I get a machine gun. Once I get into the Armenians, I could get anything I want. Just give me a couple of fucking days. So obviously that I know what the answer is. What's the answer? The answer is to put a Rambo at every fucking school. You know, I'm a redneck at heart.

And my brother-in-law is from Tennessee. You know, he's a country. And I was talking to him the other day. And he said, there's a little girl asked him, Daddy, why are people shooting kids? And he goes, because there's nobody that they shoot back at him. And this is it. Look it.

And the more I think of that answer, I, as much as you're opposed to guns or in favor of guns, to me in my mind, that's the answer. These little fucking maniacs got to know this little Martian. They got to know that if they go in there, they're going to get shot with one of those bottle rockets that Rambo had. Remember, they pulled the arrow and the fucking guy blew up. Like that's what you're going to get assaulted with. It's a bazooka right to your head.

You know, number two, we got a New York, what's that act that if I get caught with a gun, I get two years to whatever act. If I get caught in New York City with a gun, there's no bail. There's no go to New York. New York's tight. Right. New York's tight. We got to raise 20 in mandatory. I got to give it to you.

I got to give it to you. That's just how this is going to stop. We're always going to be able to get guns. Absolutely. But how are we going to stop? I can't you with a gun. It's 20 met minimum. Like they deimposed the drugs in like 85 and 87.

They doubled up on the drugs. Heroin. Same thing with weapons now. Double up on 20, 25 fucking years. You get caught with an unregistered handgun or something like that. You know, they're going to, we're going to change the age to 21. We're going to do a background check. You can take that background check and wipe your ass with it.

You can take that shit and wipe your ass with it. They're still going to get guns. Well, you guys both have more experience with guns than I do. I spent six months in Israel and they have army and metal detectors everywhere. So like half of me because like, yeah, you can get a gun anywhere, but like those 21 year old, those 20 year old kids might not know about the handball court. So I think I think it has to be both ways. I definitely, I don't have a problem with putting an army person at the thing,

but I think it has to be a little bit harder to get a gun, like make it just a little bit harder. My friend sent me a video. He's a cop. He sent me a video of the school shooting in Florida when they were taking the kids out of the classroom and the teacher had a tile on a fucking head and there's a puddle of blood around and the kids have to run out. And then when they went out to the hallway, there was a,

there was cops in the middle of the hall and they told the kids to hold onto the wall, touch the wall and don't look. You could see kids sneakers. They got shot out of their fucking sneakers. When I saw that, that's it. Like no kid deserves to see that at that age. Nobody. They're not going to recover from that.

Some of them are, but 50% of those kids are going to be fucked up by seeing that on the floor. I don't want my daughter to see that big job. Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't want half of the kids in this country to have to see that. What's the answer? Do I put a fucking Marine, a fucking guy right out of North Carolina at every school that's... I look at it and there's no perfect answer to anything. Okay.

But the thing is, as a country, we cannot have our schools being attacked. Can't have it. No. And so we have all these things that we do and we have all these programs and we help this country in that country. Okay, that's great. We need to take the money that we create through taxes and start to put people in place in every damn school while it is in session.

If that's taking military personnel that is now leaving the military and training them and putting them there, great. If it is, look at the... You had the one guy who was the football coach who stepped in front of students and took rounds. Okay. And ended up losing his life. Look it. I think it's horrible that he lost his life, but goddamn it.

I love that man. I love you. I love him too. He did what he knew he had to do because he couldn't stand by and do nothing. That's the person. Look, I'm not saying arm every teacher out there. You can't do that because many of them, that weapon with them would do nothing because they're afraid to use it, but there are plenty.

But there are plenty of ex-military, ex-law enforcement people that are teachers that would say, I am willing to carry a weapon on the school. And I know since they are personalized with those kids, they will step forward because it's not only that they know what is going on is wrong. They know those kids and they cannot stand by and let those kids get hurt without doing something. And that's the person I need. I need the person that isn't going to stand outside like the useless sheriffs that were there. I need the person that's going to step forward like that football coach

and do what needs to be done to stop someone from hurting the kids. You got to have it. It's done. I mean, we've had it too many times now that we've had mentally ill people and look it. This kid in this, in this shooting, look it. They knew they had too much information. They have a guy. He's, he's threatening people with guns.

He's doing all this stuff. You know, he's got mental issues and we don't do something to make sure that he doesn't have access to those guns. We don't take those. Are you fucking kidding me? You know, everybody down there that didn't do something knowing that this kid's a problem, shame on you. You're responsible.

You, you, you are absolutely part of the responsibility of what happened at school. You're supposed to be there to protect the people that can't protect themselves. That's the job of a police officer. You know, it's no, no, no different than the job of a referee and fighting. My job is not to sit there and just enforce rules. It's to protect the fighter that no longer can protect themselves. Let me get you out of the fight. It's okay.

It's just a fight. It's not that important. But when it comes to our kids and going to school, you can't have someone like you Joy, a father, releasing his child into that school and having fear that someone might come and attack her at that school. That's something no one can live with. No one can sit there and just think about that and feel comfortable. Let's sit with Tony Bennett.

I'll be back. Let me go tankle because I'm 55. Go baby. My little thing is small. You know what I'm saying? So you gotta be every once in a while. I want to be around to pick up the pieces when somebody breaks your heart. Some somebody twice as smart as I.

A somebody who will swear to be true as you used to do with me. Who'll leave you to learn that misery loves company. Wait and see. I mean I want to be around to see how he does it when he breaks your heart to bits. Let's see if the puzzle fits. All right. Let's talk about some better stuff now. Let's go.

We were all gloom. Congratulations on your new position. Thank you so much, brother. I appreciate that. I heard that. I was like, God damn. What the fuck are they going on? But once you got it, you explained to us that, you know, you get a little older.

This is a little easier for you and a little less on the joints than fucking flying every weekend. What do you think? Man, I look at it and it was one of those opportunities. How do you turn it down? I mean, when you sit there and you talk about me reffing and stuff, I loved it and still do. And do I miss it? Absolutely.

I was given the opportunity to be a commentator for one of the biggest organizations there is in MMA. I'm not going to sit here and lie to someone and tell them, oh, the UFC is not bigger than Bellator. It is. It's more well known and everything. But Bellator is probably number two. And I get to be the color commentator for that organization.

That's something that people work years to try to get. And I'm given that opportunity. How do I turn that down? It just, I looked at it and being that I am older, I had two neck operations within two weeks, you know, that really screwed me up in the middle of last year and stuff. And I was like, man, I just can't do this the way I was doing it before as far as the travel and everything. By working with Bellator, it was going to cut my travel down considerably.

And it was also going to be that I was working, you know, instead of working, I think I worked 86 shows last year. I'd be working maybe 24. How many shows to build a month to? They usually do about two a month. And all their fights are on paramount. All their fights are on paramount. So there's no more spike now?

That's your time? No, spike turned into the paramount network. And it's got more, I guess, girl-friendly stuff. What's spike? The spike was supposed to be a man's channel. Like a man's channel. You're cutting out 50% of the population. That's pretty stupid.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. And so. So 241 is the paramount network. I thought so. That's the only channel they fight on. They do do a pay-per-view events, right? They've done two pay-per-view events the entire time they've been in existence. They did one, God, I think it was Bellator 102 or 120 or something like that.

And they did the New York City show that they did from Madison Square Garden. They had that as a pay-per-view also. They put on, you know, the fights that they put on when they did the pay-per-view, they were great fights. Look, Bellator has some great fighters. One of the funniest things I just saw is one of the websites put out a thing about, what if we could trade fighters between promotions? And it was hysterical because all the fighters that they were trading from the UFC were all

old fighters. You know, it was Robbie Lawler and talking about, oh, we'll trade, you know, Benial Delrush was not that old a fighter, but an older fighter. And then it was all older. And all the young fighters from Bellator was the ones that were going to go to the UFC. It's like, because they have all these young studs. And you go, yeah, that trade wouldn't happen, dude. I'm sorry, man.

Bellator, as far as like certain weight classes, their 145 pound division is stacked. I will take the, you know, you can take the 145s in the UFC, which is fantastic. And you could put Bellators right next to it. Man, those fighters can, they can just mesh in very well. You look at the champion at 145 and Bellator is Patricio Pitbull Ferrer. He's a fricking unbelievable fighter. He was, you know, he, he goes up in weight to fight guys. He'll fight anybody.

He fought Benson Henderson, went up at 155 was beating Benson, you know, beat him in the first round, beat him and was beating him in the second and broke his leg on a kick. And so the fight was over. But I mean, he's phenomenal as a fighter. You've got young guys like AJ McKee, Antonio McKee's son. Antonio used to fight, fought in the UFC. His son, AJ, incredible young fighter, Gallagher, who's fighting out of a SBG in Ireland with Connor McGregor.

He's going to be headlining the show in April from Budapest. Incredible young fighter, Aaron Pico. Aaron Pico, it was a kid here in California. Freshman in high school, wins States in wrestling, decides he's going to go for the Olympics. He misses the Olympics by, by just the skin of his teeth. One point doesn't go to the Olympics is fighting for Bellator. He was training in eddies, wasn't he? Absolutely.

Eddie told me about it. He's a stud. He's a stud. That's right. Stud. And they got all these young fighters that are studs, you know, and they have things going. They know what they're doing. They obviously have some older fighters, too, that they're utilizing because of name recognition,

like Rampage and, you know, Chail Sonnen and bring in guys in to fight at times. But it's all about, yeah, you want to see this guy. Guess where we're going? We're going to put this guy in here so you can see him, too. Because once people realize how good the fighters that they have are, look at Bellator has got some studs going right now. And I'm happy. I am so happy and honored to be part of that promotion.

Because they're doing the right things for the fighters. Like I was telling you when Joe was on about nine months ago, he went on a Bellator rant. And I didn't really know anything about Bellator just because it's like anime is growing so fast right now. Oh, there's so many fighters. I see these guys that take nine months off when they come back. It's a different world. These guys are getting quicker, faster, lighter.

I mean, it's just a different world. It's moving so fast. Once I had the baby and my workload in the podcast, I watched. Got a whole world to go, man. I watched half the cards I used to. Absolutely. You know, I watched half the cards I used to. Bellator has to have a Bellator tonight once a week to talk about what the fuck they're doing

to like guys like me, learn and educate me. Who's, I know Ryan Bader's there. Listen, you know what Bellator reminds me of the old San Francisco 49ers? When they were winning all those years, they would sign people to one year contracts and they would win a championship of them because that owner had a knack to signing people that still had one more or two more good fucking years. And you know what? The UFC got rid of Musasi for no reason, who I think is a phenomenal fighter.

Who's with Bellator? Yeah, he's a Bellator now. Ryan Bader is a great fighter. Ryan Bader, you know, there was Benson Henderson, a bunch of reasons, whatever. Rory McDonald. Rory McDonald. Dude, how do you get rid of Rory McDonald? Rory McDonald after that fight with fucking Loller.

How do you get rid of Rory? It's like a spit to the face. Like you put on one of the best fights of the decade and we're going to have no argument over paper now. So it got, that's what I knew was something weird, but that's what, and they're picking up momentum little by little. You know, I knew about the Grand Prix, you know, I didn't know that they had signed Frank Meir.

I knew about, you know, Rory Nelson. I knew about Matron came to the Comedy Store one night and was telling me that he's in Bellator. So I know that they're probably going to end up doing good things. They're doing all right. Little by little. It's one of those things. It's like a finger in the ass.

You don't see it coming, you know what I'm saying? But you know what's there? And that's what they're going to do. And you know, with all this shit that's happening with the UFC kind of not stripping the belt, there's always drama. Anything can happen in this game. You know what? Guys, anything can happen in this game right now.

Tell me why. Is Connor the champion or is he not the champion? He's the champion at 155. But he hasn't fought. Khabib is going to fight Ferguson. Ferguson. And isn't that for the undisputed title? I don't know what's going on.

It's undisputed title. That's what they said. From what I heard, one of the reasons why they wouldn't do it is the new UFC game came out like a couple of days later with Connor's picture. That ain't it. Let's be honest. The UFC has a contract that has a champion's clause. And if you're that champion, you can't go anywhere.

And Connor McGregor made a lot of money fighting Floyd Mayweather. And he started McGregor Promotions. And he's got all kinds of people around him. And one of the guys, he's got a lawyer that used to work for the UFC that now works for him. That lawyer knows those contracts. Connor's not stupid. Connor's smart. And if Connor gets stripped of that title, that whole champion's clause goes down the tube.

Connor can go do other things. Connor could be his own promoter. Connor can look and say, you know what? I like the UFC, but you know what? They're taking money that I'm bringing to the table because people want to see me fight. I think I can put that on and make that same money. Connor's not stupid. Neither is Dana White.

And there's a reason why Dana White hasn't stripped Connor McGregor. Okay, look, it's a game. It's a game. You know, it's all, it's a business. And I totally understand the business part. But man, you've got to be smart about what's going on with fighters is, I can tell you, I travel the world and there are so many good fighters around the world that are not part of the UFC.

And that's not saying anything bad about the UFC. Can't handle those fighters because they have a hard time marketing the fighters that they have. And a lot of these, a lot of these guys are coming from places. They don't speak English. You know, they're like, you've got Khabib. Khabib now speaks English, which is a great thing. But there's a ton of guys from Dagestani and from Chechnya. These guys are killers.

I am telling you. It's really growing in Russia. I read some on about two months ago. Let me tell you something. I know of fighters that are in Russia that can compete with anybody in any organization at any level right now. They're that good. They could, they could go and fight for the championship of the UFC, the championship

of Bellator. And I'll tell you what, it's a 50 50 that they don't take it. Okay. That's how good they are. But these are the guys that are out there. But, you know, as a promoter, you can only promote so many people. And so fighters are in this position where they, a lot of them have gotten to this thing. They want to go to the UFC because that validates them.

You know, and it's like, it's like it's the NFL. Because if someone is talking about MMA and they go, oh, oh, oh, oh, you fight. And yeah, I fight. You know, who do you fight for? And they say Bellator person might not have heard of Bellator. And so who's that? But if they say UFC, oh, that ultimate fighter, I recognize that. And so for a lot of fighters, that's their end goal is they don't care what they're getting

paid. They want to get that validation. Like I have made it. It's the NFL. It's the NBA. It's, you know, Major League Baseball. That's what the UFC is to them. But when you're looking at, you know, Bellator, what they do, Bellator allows the fighters

to have sponsors. They allow them to all the stuff that like the UFC used to do. But they don't take any of the money. They don't take any money from the sponsors. They allow them to keep all that sponsor money and everything. The fighters themselves can wear the t-shirts and the hats during their walkout or, you know, in the ring and stuff. That's a way for a fighter to make money.

When they talk about contracts, Bellator doesn't give them that show and win. They don't do that. You know, if you're going to make $40,000 for your fight, it's not a 2020 that you'll get. Usually in the UFC, the UFC says, well, you get 20 to show. And if you win, it's 20. The Bellator fighter gets, you know, it's $40,000. That's what you sign. That's what you get.

So you can go out and if you lose the fight, you're not losing money in it. That helps you. That helps you a lot. And these are the little things that, you know, hey, there are differences in the company. Scott Coker is in charge of Bellator. You will not find any fighters that say Scott Coker is, he treats me bad. I've never known Scott before. I've known Scott for God damn, since 2001, I want to say.

He was actually doing a kickboxing, K1 kickboxing in Vegas. And Scott Coker is, he's a martial artist. He loves fighting. He loves the grandeur of fighting. He doesn't care so much about titles. He cares about what's the fight that people want to see. What's the fight that I want to see? And I love that about him because he just wants to put out the best fights.

You take a look at what he did in strike force and you take a look at the fighters that he had and everyone when, you know, strike force was out there and the other strike force sucks. You know, none of the strike force fighters can, you know, fight with a UFC guy. And you look and you go, really? Let's take a look at what happened when the UFC bought strike force. Well, they got like Nick Diaz back. Okay. Now, Nick had fought already in the UFC, but they had this guy named Daniel Cormier.

Okay. He was fighting for strike force. Oh, now he's the UFC champion and has been there for a long time as champion. The first fight, you know, first fight for Kane Velazquez was in strike force. And then he did a bow dog and then he got signed to the UFC. But he was a strike force guy and then Luke Rockhold, strike force guy, became UFC champion. Tyrone Woodley, strike force guy, he's UFC champion. You take a look at, look, there's guys that know how to make fights and knows how to pick

out fighters that he believes is, that's the guy that's going to be special. Scott Coker has an incredible eye for talent and has made great decisions in who is going to be that guy that is going to be somebody. He knows fighting and that's what's great working with him is he has a passion for it. The passion of, hey, I can't do everything overnight, but eventually this is the direction we're walking. Let's just walk it together. I'm happy.

And it doesn't look like, remember when we were kids, they had the NFL and the USFL. Yeah. And you knew the USFL wasn't going to make it. Like you like, like I'm making it and they didn't make it. Yeah. Trump owned the Jersey General. Jersey General. But you look at who it was playing for, man.

Herschel Walker. Herschel Walker. Herschel Walker. Herschel Walker. I met him. Doug Flutie. Doug Flutie, that's right. Yeah.

They were playing for me at Steve Young here in LA with the LA Express. I mean, look at, there was some great Reggie White played for the Philadelphia Stars. They had some great players in the USFL. So no, no, I think that you'll do great there because they are growing. Like I said, I'm just, I don't know what the fuck is on no more. I don't know nothing. I come home and then I turn the TV on all UFC tonight's on. I get to watch a little bit of that once in a while.

And it's great. I watch a countdown show once in a while. They were shitty for a while now. This week's was pretty good with Frank Yeager. Well, that's going to be a great fight. I just got to get more knowledge about Bellator. And then I'll have you back and we can fucking go back and forth. Now I'm all fucked up.

I don't know nothing about them. But I just know a lot of fighters went over and, and I couldn't figure out why Dana let a lot of these guys like, like Musasi was one guy couldn't figure out. But it's like a comic. But Musasi came from strike force. Right. He was Musasi.

He was in Japan fighting a little bit and then went to strike force. And he really liked Scott Coker. And, you know, he was part of the whole when they, when strike force got sold, there was reasons why strike force got sold. Most people don't know what it is. Okay. But strike force, you know, Scott made a play to get bigger

and brought Silicon Valley sports into play. They were the owners of the San Jose Sharks and all that. And when they made that play to get bigger, you know, there was a lot of money that went out and then they didn't get their return like they thought right away. And then they decided, uh, we want out of this. And so that's why they ended up getting sold. It wasn't because Scott wanted to sell it.

It was Silicon Valley sports wanted out of it. And so the Fertitas being smart Lorenzo goes, yep, that's a lot of contracts. And those are great fighters. And that's something that's going to help us. And he went out and he paid a lot of money for it. And you know, hey, that's what made Lorenzo Fertita so special. He was willing to spend money to make his product better.

And he did. And he's a special owner and he's gone now. But, uh, you know, he made the right, right choices on what he was going to do. And you were a kid and you were doing Taekwondo, whatever the fuck were you doing? Did you ever think that the UFC and all this shit, you even see it coming?

I didn't see it coming at all. I turned around one time and saw guys built like me with two tubes on hitting each other. I'm like, this is the most disgusting sport I've ever seen in my life. This is just bar fighting for fucking criminals and shit. And I thought I just didn't watch it. I was a Bruce Lee guy. How am I watching two fat fucks throwing punches at each other?

You can't tell that guy just hate a fucking pharmacy full of steroids. That guy just came back there. First time I threw, I didn't know their names. I don't know who these guys are. I saw a guy in the UFC one night. Remember Joe took me to Miami and nobody showed up. Yeah. They're like only.

The UFC 42. Yeah, who showed? There was a celebrity though in the house. It was fucking empty. The guy from Hawaii fought. Oh. B.J. Penn? No, the guy was knocking people out.

Fat dude. He was like the biggest thing in the UFC. Oh, cabbage. Cabbage. Cabbage. That's who I, that was the only one. Leslie Carrera fucking Rogan would talk to me about the UFC and I go stumped already.

Like I fucking didn't like it. Then he got the man show and he goes come to a sketch in Florida and the UFC's gonna be there Friday and I went and I'm looking at cabbage's body. I'm like, what is this? Bruce Lee would be spinning in this fucking grave right now. Bruce Lee couldn't have done anything with cabbage. He would have hit it with everything he had. Oh my God.

What the hell? And then I didn't watch it. They would, him and Eddie and Tate would sit there in the car and they wouldn't shut the fuck up and I'm like, these fucks. And then one night I'm at home watching TV and I turn on and I see Anderson Silva kicking the shit out of the kids. I'm one of those fight nights at the Palms. And I was like, I like that fucking guy.

And that was it. That's how I got into it. Oh, all it takes is one, man. Once I saw, well, I did also see the, you know, the big, big fight, the one that set up. I didn't watch that by mistake. You're talking about Franklin against Silva? Or are you talking about, no, you're talking about Forrest Griffin against Kevin Bonner? I saw that fight and that was like, fuck, okay, there might be something here.

Maybe I just caught a good fight. And then I would talk to Joe and ask him questions and then I saw Anderson on my head almost blew up. I was like, that's, that's the fucking way to do it. Now I'm a fan, but like I'm happy in a way. You're not fucking a referee no more because you can't win, especially with the internet. You can't fucking win. You can't win.

People are always going to be upset. I fucking hate the internet. I hate what it's done to people's lives. I hate it. Social media is awesome. It's awesome because everyone knows everything, but it gives people the right to talk sometimes that don't know what the fuck they're talking about. And it drives me fucking crazy.

That's all they do. I don't mind if you open up your mouth, you know, if you're going to question a referee or question a football call or question something, I don't mind it. But if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, don't fucking question it like that. And I see it every Sunday when you put Facebook up during football season. What happened this year with New England? They, they burnt somebody like game 12 with a bad catch or something. Oh, the Steelers.

Yeah, the Steelers. And I, you know, the next day they're whining on there. And I'm thinking about these referees and the two fucking. So I bet that party was great. Like this last week, we had that controversy with Jeremy Stevens. Let's go to Bloody Elbow so my man can break it down for us. Because I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Like I told you last time, I don't know the point system.

I know you punch them in the head. You take them down, but I don't know how the point system works. So let's go. Let's look at this shit here. Um, let me get some shout outs real quick here while I got this time here. It's a beautiful Monday morning. When the, when the beat drops, full metal Pete, Justin, Leo, Dell, Luke, Lewis, Bosley, Harry, Daniels, and Mick Parenti and Gordon, Mick Phillips.

You bad motherfuckers. And don't forget this Saturday night, I'll be at the ice house 730 working out with uncle Joey. And we added a second show at NIAC, a 10 o'clock show at Levity Live on the 21st. That's all I got this month. I'm getting the split put in my ear next week. Split. Whatever the fuck it is. The tube?

Yeah. So why? My daughter used to have to have that. Yeah. Cause I got in the water, won't drink. And I get fucking dizzy and I, I, I'm having a hard time driving when I drive, especially I fucking get it. I'm sorry.

I forgot to put cream. I just went to Colorado and three days in Colorado, drew, dried my skin up so bad. Mrs. Mack and my wife told me, she goes, which one with your ass? Why do you have scratches on your ass before I go? Cause I'm so fucking dry. And I forgot to put cream on again tonight. Look at my legs.

Look at that. Yeah. Look how fucking dry it can color out. My skin never gets that dry. Yeah. Wait, from us moving to Vegas. You too? You felt that too?

Oh my God. I am itchy witchy tonight. I took a shower too tonight. After we went to the YMCA, we went to swimming tonight. Okay. So there you have it there. Break this down for me. I don't know what the fuck happened.

Me and Lee were in Denver on stage doing our thing. Okay. Back a little bit. No, you're good. Okay. Just go ahead and let it go. And I should, I'll tell you when to stop it. Okay.

Right now you've got Dominic Cruz and Dan Cormier are arguing about this whole situation with Jeremy and, and Josh Emmett. And the whole thing is, you know, did it touch his head or did it not? And that's the question. And what the, the funny part is, is you got Dan McGill out of stand right there. Stop it right there. Okay. He's in exactly mechanic wise.

This is exactly what we want a referee to be. He is in the proper position to try to see the big differences where the knee is, is just on the opposite side of the head from where he's at. But he's in a great position in what we call mechanically to be there. So go ahead and let that go for it. You see the knee go, the question is, you know, oh, well, the knee coming, coming back touches his head. It is not Jeremy Stevens fault.

I agree. I don't know why we're debating. But the referee did not stop the fight. Okay. Maybe that's debatable. This, this, Dominic, Mike, I agree. It is on Dan Mergliata. To see that that is an illegal shot.

But that's my. Why is it illegal? It's illegal because the fighter, if when it goes back to it, I'll show you the position of where he's at as it's going forward. You'll see the fighter is on his knees. Okay. Right now he's actually on his ass and his leg. Okay.

But he's getting up, goes to his knees, stop it right there. Okay. This is a grounded fighter because any part of his body, other than his hands and feet that touch the ground, now under the unified rules that the state of Florida is going under, makes the fighter a grounded fighter where he legally cannot be kneeed or kicked to the head. You can see his entire leg is down on the ground as far as he's got his foot. Both knees are actually down. And he doesn't have to have a hand on the ground.

We want him to have his hands up to protect his head. And so this is a grounded fighter that legally this knee cannot be thrown and touch him to the head or else it is a foul against Jeremy Stevens. The real question is, is people are asking, well, I think it's slid by the side of his head. That's what I said. I don't think it hit. What I want you to see, take a look at his right ear. You see his right ear?

Yes, sir. Okay. If you take a look at my ears right now, and I take these headphones off and I I can move my head, but my ears don't flap. They stay in where they're at. The cartilage holds them. Rewind it again. Go back, go back, go back.

Just a little bit. Watch his ear. Watch what it does. Go ahead and let it go. You're good. Watch his right ear. Boom. You see that ear flop down?

Yes, that's kind of. That tells you that there was a kinetic energy that hit his head and caused that ear to do that big old flapping motion because he did get hit to the head. All right. The knee did hit him in the head and it is illegal. We had the referee wasn't sure he's there, but I mean, these guys couldn't even get it right. Watching the replay over and over and over, but they want him to get it in real time. He wasn't sure.

So he let it go. Not stopping it because he thought I'm in a fight ending sequence and I'm not sure. But did it hit him to the head? Absolutely. Was it a foul? Absolutely. Should there have been something done if the referee had seen it? Absolutely.

Something should have been done. It's an illegal act. It didn't hurt Josh Emmett. There was legal blows that hurt Josh Emmett, but the knee did touch and in that situation, I would have stopped the action and gotten Josh Emmett up and given him time to recover from the legal blows that actually did do him damage because he did get fouled. And let's get him back in the fight and restart it because Jeremy Stevens needs to know I can't throw a knee in this situation.

So what would, if this knee, do you stop this fight, put them both in that corner, take a point away from Jeremy Stevens and start it again. That's what should have been done. Yeah. In the end. Now this led to a knockout. He was done after this. Yeah.

He ends up getting knocked out. He gets hit, you know, not so much with the knee that hurts him here, but he gets hit with another punch and then he gets hit with two huge elbows that puts him out. And then, but just on the other side of it, how frustrating must it be as a referee and as a fighter that each state or some states have different rules? Ridiculous. It's, you know, Lee, you bring it up. It's the most ridiculous thing that we have going is I have commissions and this is the

problem with athletic commissions is each state is different. Each tribal commission can be different. Each province up in Canada is different down in Brazil. It can be different and they all are their own little kingdom and they don't follow what they vote on to say, all right, we're going to do this. And then someone will say, well, I didn't like it. So I'm not going to do it. And they take a professional sport like MMA that is growing leaps and bounds.

The fighters are getting better and better and they are screwing over fighters. They're screwing over officials. They're screwing over the fans because they don't like something and I want to be different when they're doing everything they can to screw over the sport of MMA, the sport that they're supposed to be regulating and taking care of. They're doing what is the worst thing for it. It's embarrassing.

So right now we would have stopped this fight, let them both get up. They ducked the point from Jeremy Stevens and go right back. That's what should have happened. If you had seen it, if you're Dan and you say that knee, I believe that knee touched, you're going to stop the action. You're going to take Jeremy away from him. You're going to bring a ringside physician in. I'm going to alter things.

You know, I'm going to work things out. I'm going to tell the ringside physician if at all possible. I want you to know that that knee did not hurt him. It was legal blows that hurt him. If at all possible, I want to get him back in this fight. If you say that he can't go on, then fine. We'll pull him out of the fight and I'll make a decision what I'm going to do. But if at all possible, I want you to tell me that he can get back in this fight.

And if we can get him back in the fight, then we'll do something as far as, you know, possibly taking points from Jeremy and get the fight going again and make sure that Jeremy knows you. Look it, do you understand the position that you can knee him in or not knee him? And I'm going to go over it. This is a problem that has happened a couple of times. And it's, you know, Dan's been the referee a couple of times. Gagard Musassi was fighting Chris Weidman in New York.

That position caused Dan a problem there. Okay. What Gagard did was absolutely legal. Everything he did was legal and a fight was stopped based upon Dan believing that it was illegal and that's part of the, you know, you look at what goes on. It's like, God, same situation. I'm not sure if we're not sure we're not going to make the decision because I didn't see it. But if I know that I saw that knee hit,

then I'm going to stop the action and do something different. It's interesting. You were saying that you, you're on your third career. You, you are, but I feel like, like listening to you, you said earlier, cops make decisions. So I can actually make, they made you a better ref. And now listening to this, I, I, I haven't watched one full Bellator fight, but I know already that I enjoy watching a fight with you as a commentator because you actually know what you're talking about.

Hey, someone knows what they're talking about. That is amazing. It's, I, I, like, if there's things that I'm going to know that, you know, Joe Rogan has, has been probably the best color commentator for MMA that there's ever been. Jimmy Smith, who was it with Bellator is now with the UFC. He's phenomenal. I love Jimmy. Joe Rogan set the, he set the standard and it wasn't, it wasn't always so much.

I'm not going to say it was always so much the, the skill level that he brought with it as far as knowledge, but he has great knowledge and support. It was also the excitement and the energy that Joe brought, you know, or does still bring. It just doesn't do it near as much, but that's what makes Joe who he is as far as calling fights. But there's things, you know, look, I've, I've, I've yelled at Joe, you know, we had a fight where we had Tim Means against Charles Olivera and Joe is sitting at the, you know, he's, he's talking with Tim Means and saying, I believe that that was legal when I'm looking at a knee that I know is illegal.

And it's not, it's not Joe's fault that he doesn't know it's, it's our fault for not educating him on it and making sure that he knew because there's not only he doesn't know, there's other, there's other officials that aren't sure about that situation. And this is what's wrong with what athletic commissions are doing to our sport is every official, every person, every fan should know what the rules of MMA are and understand, hey, you're not allowed to knee someone when their knees are on the ground to the head. You can't do that. And all of that is stuff that should be easy for people, but we get confusion about what's legal and what's not. And there shouldn't be. Joe can't know everything. I

happened to be one of the guys that, you know, wrote this stuff and put it all together. So I know it, you know, inside and out, you know, backwards, forwards, I know it all. And at least I can sometimes communicate things to the fans so they understand this is why the referee is doing what he's doing or this is why that was legal or this is why that was not legal. And they're going to get the right information the first time. That's why I'm happy you're doing this. You're still doing a podcast? No, man. I haven't done the podcast. I got, I got yelled at by people in the UFC. So I got to stop the podcast, but that was a, that might start another one. I want to be, I want to be your

partner. Yeah, no, we're going to talk to Bella. I'm going to sit on. We got to, we got to, we got to fucking talk to Bellator and make them do a Bella tour tonight. And you know, kind of like, uh, what's those books they put out for dummies, you know, computers for dumb, they need to put one of those books. So next, next show in California you want to come to? Yes. What is it? May 12th. Am I in town? That's what I got to find out, man. It's in San Jose though. That's California. If you want the next one in LA, I'll get your tickets to the next one in LA. I'll be in touch with you and stuff. I want to go, I want to go down and see it. I'm happy you came on, bro. Thank you for having me, brother. You know what's crazy Lee? I can't believe

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This is pain is pretty, though I've never been. Daniel's self is the best place he's ever seen. Oh, and he should know he's been there enough. Lord, I miss Daniel. Oh, I miss him so much. Oh, Daniel, my brother, you are all love and me. Do you still feel the pain? All the scars that won't heal your eyes have died. But you seem more than I. Daniel, you're the star in the fair for the sky. Oh, Daniel, my brother, you are all love and me. Do you still feel the pain? All the scars that won't heal your eyes have died.

But you seem more than I. Daniel is traveling tonight on a plane. I can see the red taillights heading to Spain. Oh, and I can see Daniel waving goodbye. God, it looks like Daniel must be the clouds in my eyes. Oh, God, it looks like Daniel must be the clouds in my eyes.