Uncle Joey's Joint with Joey Diaz - #610 - A.J. Benza

Episode Date: August 19, 2018

A.J. Benza, a former gossip columnist for the New York Daily News and the host of the "Fame is a Bitch" podcast, joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt LIVE in studio. This podcast is brought to you by: ZipRecruiter - post your job to 200+ job sites with a single click for free at www.ziprecruiter.com/church   Blue Apron: Go to blueapron.com/JOEY to get your first THREE meals for free.    Onnit.com. Use Promo code CHURCH for a 10% discount at checkout.

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Who what was me I feel so badly Oh Five fucking dirty guys from Boston The heroin in the fucking house This is a jb in the motherfucking house filthy before we even get started. I'll ask you a question What's wrong? It's been daunting me for I should ask you a last time What is the difference between journalism? And gossip

Well, there's no difference per se, but journalism is the uh the the talent and the practice you need to apply When you're when you're tracking down rumors that People tend to believe to be gossip. Let me put it this way It's like saying what's the dip? Well, I don't want to get into analogies You've got to be a good journalist to to do the job of a good gossip columnist Just like you've got to be a good journalist to do the job of a good crime reporter or You know

Whatever the beat is most Most stories we latch on to today, whether it's something at the white house or something that's happening In show biz what have you Generally speaking a lot of them begin in the gossip columns a lot of them start as a rumor and The gossip columnist is usually the first person on the front lines to track down those rumors And when you track them down

If they kind of fall out of your jurisdiction like if they're bigger than the gossip column When I was at the daily news then they get pushed up to the front of the paper and my byline wouldn't go on it because You'd give it to a reporter who covers page two three and four like those are different reporters Those are bigger guys With bigger resumes. We may be just as good in terms of how we write But they've got different jobs. They're they're city city reporters If there was a if there's a story breaking about the corruption in the government Local government it wouldn't go in the gossip column, but I might hear that rumor

I might report it out get the story right and then give it to the guys up front And it becomes a page three story a page two, which is the biggest story so A good gossip columnist is the same thing as anybody. You've got to be a good journalist It's very different now though because now There's very few people who are literally Breaking stories. I still break stories every week in in my podcast But nowadays there are so many outlets of things being written so many websites so many fucking

The internet is full of stories And you don't know who broke this story where it began if it's being rewritten from a paper in fucking Canada You don't know We just read shit and no one cares who wrote it. No one cares. Who's the reporter who broke it But 20 30 years ago. It was very important. Oh, this is so-and-so story. It was broken the daily news It was a big story like page six. Yeah page six comes up with page six like page six is like Kanye West did fucking blow Yeah, well that page six is is the new york post premiere gossip, but it's real like it's legit

It's not a fucking there's nothing fake about those. No. No, they're all real No, because this is not the national inquirer or star magazine star magazine has absolute fake stories in it mixed in with real stories The inquirer is the same thing although, you know, I hate to shit on them because there are stories in the inquirer that Traditionally got things right forever. The inquirer led the nation in the oj coverage It doesn't matter who's at the it doesn't matter what paper or what magazine it matters what reporter works there You know what I mean? Like when I was writing for radar. Okay radar might have a reputation for fucking just putting shit up there But if it's a good reporter and you happen to have good contacts and you can get to the meat of things Then it doesn't matter who you write for it matters. Who's writing the story? That's what's been lost lately

No one cares who's writing the story. They just they just Stories appear everywhere Twitter fucking Instagram Facebook. There's stories everywhere and they're written by people Look, I used to make a lot of money as a journalist Which is not something that generally happens, but I did And then I made a lot of money as a magazine writer and blah blah blah 10 grand an article for this 10 grand Now if I approach a magazine with an article idea They might offer me 1500 because there's so many fucking idiots

Who just want their name and print that magazines go well my pay him 10 grand when this guy'll do it for fucking a thousand It's it's all it's all fucked up now. It's all but there's so much more outlets now. Yeah, I know that's the problem It's become less. It's like it's like the fuck it's like you're opening up more teams in the nfl You get shitty talent, right? So no, that's what you get. There used to be 20 gossip columnists Now there were 20,000 like just to be a gossip columnist an LA Well, okay, there never was one like to go out at night

Mingle and fucking give yourself like a different name on a fucking page On the website that's all no one no one's ever done that and go out and go last night I went to the commie store and you know the commie was electric But the underlying energy is fueled by drugs and whatever, you know, I yeah, it's so weird like How to be a gossip columnist in new york? Let me tell you Joe We were I was I don't want to sound like a dick here, but in the 90s I was as powerful a name that if I called you Your fucking stomach was in knots because that meant

Tomorrow your name is going to be in the paper and a million people are going to read it And it's it's very different than LA LA never had a gossip column. They never did They have TMZ now, which is all over TV, but they never had a reporter going around town getting shit because People in Hollywood, but you get you get You get Enamored with Hollywood lifestyle and you you don't want to talk about those people are right about them Now what is TMZ TMZ is a gossip or no, what's it? They tell you other shit journalism. It's just there. It's all journalism. They're all practicing journalism. They just

They're they're they're good reporters. They're good at getting to the root of things and and breaking stories or covering stories that are happening now, whether it's Celebrity deaths celebrity overdose Harvey Levin is was brilliant with what he did with TMZ. It was brilliant It started with a kid with a fucking camera outside of the courtroom I think at the menendez trial or uh oj trial It's a guy with a camera out there asking questions as people came in he started to make friends with Shapiro he made friends they started to recognize the guy with the camera a little camera and Harvey Levin saw that because Harvey was a reporter at the time

He saw the way these people were gravitating toward this guy with the camera and talking to it And Harvey said that's this is suck. This is something because these people who have something really big going on are gravitating toward There's nobody with a camera who's being nice to them So from that moment at the oj trial, I believe it was Harvey invented this whole I'll put a bunch of people around california at all the hot spots with cameras And the stars will talk to us initially they didn't like it initially the stars hated it and it was Now they love it now when they see now TMZ cameras and TMZ people get preferential treatment You what they want to be on TMZ with the new outfit the new girlfriend the new whatever the fuck it is

It's a whole different thing now now they use TMZ as an accessory to help them get bigger and more more known But it's all journalism. I'm not gonna shit on the reporters there They do their job, but Harvey's got things wired. He's got people in county clerk offices He's got people in the court systems The minute someone gets busted the minute someone files for divorce There's a phone called the TMZ and they get it right away Well, to me it's not because it sounds like Joe. You're kind of asking Maybe like it's a subject matter. So like if it's stuff about Kanye and Kim Kardashian

That's maybe more gossipy. It's gossipy. I just love the whole situation. I'm a police sergeant In a big precinct in Manhattan, right? And james v. Lofini got arrested. So it's pulled over with 20 jesus 20 grams of blow and he My cop calls it in and blah blah blah and right away I pick up the phone And I give a scoop to somebody who I'm in an hour a checksman an envelope. So I get dropped off At my thing regardless of this if well not in regular not I know we never paid any newspapers don't pay shit the people who pay of the tabloids the inquirer the star

TMZ a guy like you you're a You're a slick little motherfucker. Yeah, but no money. Remember when Goddy became friends with that one journalist guy John Miller the white dude that's still around, you know, that was that was 10 steps behind him all those all those days It's crazy that when you become friends with a journalist like that, it works for you in in different ways I could feed shit into that pipeline. Yeah. Yeah sure you can I could feed shit into that pipeline So why are they coming to you if you're not giving them money? Why they what why are they coming and giving you a scoop? Here's what you have to understand people look How many secrets have you been told and you kept under your fucking jacket and never told anybody else? There's just saying

Three can keep a secret if two are dead People talk People want to tell you what they know they burst at the seams to tell you what they fucking We just spent 40 minutes talking about stories about this guy this drug dealer What I did was we're known to write a shaman pen vince fall We were Al Pacino we told stories for 40 minutes before the show started that are all secrets And we couldn't wait to get it out of our fucking system There's millions of people like that. I'll have stories

So if you show up And you hang around and you wait long enough and you get oiled up with them and sitting to boost with them And they like you eventually you hear those secrets now You don't want to shit the bed and run away right away and and burn a friendship You just take it in you take it in you take it in and then you start to peel off the stories Then you start to get to know the lay of the land. Oh This guy knows these people I think this guy has a good contact for that shit So you put it in your fucking roll decks in your head and then as you go along

You know, maybe don't print that story about shaman pen doing blow a blah blah blah But just keep it in your head and then down the road. It's going to matter. It's going to it's going to lead to something We talked about johnny goomba johnny at scores, right? You know, like I knew all the characters at every restaurant every nightclub every no I know more what he is was just going on at scores scores was uh Explain to people what happened scores was the uh The strip club mecca in america for it was in minhattan But uh for a good I'd say 10 years. It was it was just

Everybody who went to new york who was anybody went to scores It just the whole oj trial went every athlete went and I mean they fucked the girls, you know, george cloney would stay at a hotel but he'd send Fucking a car for the the hottest five and then they'd make sure the five hottest girls would get to george at the hotel Everybody worked through scores. It was like it was unbelievable. It was like the studio of 54 of the 90s, right? So what happened what scores was? scores happened to be Both the gambino and the genovese family had their hands on scores. They both took money out of that joint

We go for what they call a friendly like they both took out of that joint and there was a couple of tough albanian kids Who would call the albanians don't give a fuck and the itaians the mafias scale the albanians because they don't give a shit And the albanian is a couple of brothers named simon and victor didage Crazy motherfuckers showed up at scores one night and they would say, you know Guys, we've got to close and they'd say no, we know don't close. We're here like, you know They'd fucking shoot a gun in the ceiling crazy shit cowboys And you know scores at this point doesn't want any trouble because they got a lot of things

They're doing that are fucking under the table and illegal like we don't don't shoot a gun in this fucking place. It's it's hot don't do that, you know And these cowboys are shooting shit, you know, anyhow, so one night there was an argument believe it or not over fucking of a world over um Over hulk hulking over fucking wrestling These guys are arguing with some other guys. It was about hulk hulking and world wrestling federation And it got heated these guys got mad. You got to go. It's 10 to five. Fuck you. I'm not leaving hulk hulking like like kids And one brother had a gun one brother had a knife and on the way out

Two doorman was stabbed and shot And the two brothers got away So big man hunt. I'm in the hospital for back surgery and I get a call from the city desk a j I'm just coming out of my fucking fog. I got the morphine in me A j rich rosen, you know, I know you're rich fucking new york hospital. Look this is uh, there's two kids from scores Oh, no one who uh doorman who got shot up last night You know, do you know anything about who this might be and in my stupor? I said, yeah, it's the albanian brothers. I'll guarantee it Who they I said then I said their names. So now I'm a gossip columnist, but I knew who the killers could be

The daily news took that and ran of course. I was right Now One brother jumped in the Hudson river and swam to jersey crazy fucking guy. He escaped. He was on the land forever They couldn't get him the other brother. They got right away But they eventually caught the other guy. He's doing fucking life the whole thing I wrote an article in playboy about this whole thing and uh, so about a year ago and this is 1997, I believe So a year ago, it's 20 years later. I'm on instagram I see I got a message on instagram from uh

simon didaj D. E. D. A. J. I think it's the dodge or the die to die to die And I'm like, what if I why is he won't talk to me? I was petrified like this is a fucking murderer Hey, I love the love you talk to me. I really like to talk to you and I I said my I go my wife I said, well, what she goes won't call him. I said, why I don't want to murder or introduce I got kids now. Who needs this shit? I called them I just want to tell you I read the playboy article. You handled it like a man you were really honest about this and that but that that and um

He said, you know, we're innocent. Oh, yeah, of course. They're gonna say that Um, it's a whole weird thing. They they claim it didn't happen the way it happened, but one brother is serving life and a sister Says that the brother who's serving life is innocent and the brother who's free actually did it And it's torn apart their family So it it's it, you know, these things happen when fucking brothers were they were shaking the girls down too the girls

Look, the shakedowns happen from the top right down the the fucking the guys who park cars have to fucking cough money up The guys who took coats cough money up to the the managers the security guys Everybody coughed up to the top everybody the girls Shakedown city. I mean these girls would make You know, if you go to if you're a wall street guy, you didn't pay cash you put it on your card He was funny money, right? So for every fucking 100 dollars of cash you'd spend 150 on your card um And every girl, you know, it was all

The the poor girls would work. You think they'd make 100 bucks, but they got a shake Then they got to pay the fucking house mom. They got to pay the security guy. They got to pay the guy who walked them to the car They they had a little wired the mobsters had a little wired I mean they they just they made the money the most but but john got a junior would walk in there and get a fucking envelope and then The the genivesey guy would do the same thing And it was a it was a it was an earn for a long time. They were both earning no It's still it

Yeah, but it's not it's not it's over now. No, no, no, it's it's not the joint anymore. It's done I even watched a couple weeks ago. I got home. I am see had on the copland Oh, and the beginning of copland. Oh, yeah, that's right. Thanks for the report Rappaport's walking out of the scores. Let me tell you something jolly. It was the it was the You know, it was the premium in place you had to be it was it was the studio 54 of the 90s. You had to go I mean, I have so many stories. I don't know where to begin with scores I mean put it this way one night. This is a small story one night, you know, um A picture for the uh Pittsburgh pirate Doug drabeck walks in and he's fucking get

You know an athlete took come every night So if they were playing the meds of the Yankees the staff at scores will get them hammered because the next day is a game And we'd bet the home team So drabeck comes in and he's pitching tomorrow and it's he's pitching on a sunday afternoons and the day game and it's saturday night So he's we we're getting him the word got out get drabeck fucked up. Who's got blow? Who's got this? What does he want? Everybody goes to see drabeck And at four o'clock in the morning, we had to lift him up and put him in the fucking town hall Lift him up. He's a fucking major league pitcher

We called everybody we knew all the wise guys, we know get on the meds tomorrow Drabeck can't walk. He's thrown up in the street. It's all fucking done the meds are gonna cover And we all went to bed and the the mobster guys got on this heavy. You sure you share heavy and uh The next day I wake up and I hear Doug drabeck pitching a masterpiece a thinning the meds are fucking losing Seven two like it didn't you know They're your animals they're animals Charles Charles Oakley for the nicks would fucking be faced down sleeping on the carpet during the playoffs against indiana against reggie miller against fucking

You know against uh jort Knocked out from too much fucking liquor and what have you the next day they're playing a fucking game like i don't name it Oh, well, hey, those are the days john name of josh was four all those clubs. Yeah guy went and bought his own bar Yeah, that's a natural would go up there and I know that's how crazy that was My sister and husband and a brother my brother-in-law were dating and he said I want to take you to john nameth's bar They one of their first dates they went to I think what's called bachelors four And nameth was there and my brother-in-law was a big athlete and he he moses up to nameth Who was fucking the king, you know wearing whatever the fuck he's wearing and my net my brother-in-law was talking

He said hey joe, you know dance with my girlfriend and nameth dance with my sister And for my brother-in-law that was like the crowning, you know nameth dance him with my you know Meanwhile, he was he was just it was insane that place. Everybody was getting fucking laid nameth Nameth nameth and mickey mannel would but two of the same kind of guys they would just stay out late get fucked up There's a lot of athletes who did that Jason jambi and the Yankees one of that scores one night The world series just ended with him with the marlins beat the Yankees There was a horrible showing for the Yankees terrible and uh

I'm wearing a Yankee cap my nephew's there with Yankee cap and they said there's fucking jambi and he's always a fucking He's suited. He's fucking out of his mind. I go look at jambi. I should ask him where he got his fucking coke Look at him. He's out of his mind. So he goes in the restroom. I follow him And he's fucking pissing like hey, what's up jays? Hey, man, you know, he has no idea that I used to write guys He's no I am and I go bro and the game before He didn't get up to bat like we had Jason jambi He's a pinch hitter who was an animal and he decided I don't want to bat and the Yankee fans were like Why wouldn't Jason jambi bat? What the fuck's wrong with him? He's a slugger

So I go I go Jason. What the fuck happened and I we didn't bat and he goes Dude, we're in fucking south because we were fucking out of our minds I couldn't stand up and you go. Oh my god Us fucking squares and sitting home watching the world series And these guys are going I'm at fucking south beach. I can't stand up. I got a bat Like the Yankees just got Jason jambi got too fucked up in the night life in south beach That's why he didn't bat the newspapers won't tell you that A good reporter a good journalist will tell you that because he would have been there and seen it

That's what gossip columnists do. They would have been there at the night clubs and said is jambi getting high Yeah, I would have contacted all the code deals Who's who's supplying jambi and I would have known ahead of time Like when Dwight gooden on the Mets missed the fucking world series parade and he was sweating like a pig At news day back in the day There was a guy that was calling in anonymous tips to the desk saying Dwight gooden's on cocaine and this is like the 80s People like he's on cocaine. What do you mean? It was like a Dwight gooden. He's an athlete. It was unheard of And this guy was right good destroyed, but we're out of the fucking minds, but it's crazy the people that will tell you things

Like this is why life is fucking crazy. That's why I asked about gossip column, especially in new york city I don't know how it works. It's only new york city in new york city. It's new york No, we know everything you can't and I can't imagine now with cameras. Could you imagine joe? Could you imagine I can't imagine I'd be locked up So I know for a fact like I know for a fact like I was a kid. I was 21 years old I was working at the Sheridan Center And you know van halen was staying upstairs. Oh god You know like I I forgot about you know, I just remember different now that information could work

In a ton of ways if you if you're a reporter if you were reporting. No, no, no for me If I know you yeah, exactly. There you go. You come in you give me a package every time. That's all stay in here That's all that's all you're not gonna. Yeah, I know I know send up 10 cases of fucking jack dangles up to I know and that's an item. It's it. That's something weird or at the same time You know whether it's hookers because that hotel knows everything But there's the saddest thing about comedy When I go to a town When I go to a town

And I go check into a hotel By the second day somebody at that hotel Will tell me a story that I didn't ask. Isn't that see about a comic that's the secrets I'm telling you because every comic stays there. Yeah, but people talk people love to talk You know whether whether he Fuck you like the horror did so much code that we wore out the table You know, we could heard the chopping in the other room. He was telling me that there was a comic That was supposed to leave on sunday

And on wednesday, he was still in the hotel room. It was a college town Yeah, I got paid like $60,000 to do the shows over the weekend And there was a college girl at the strip club that drove him crazy. They were just feeding them pills The club didn't even know that he was still in town And then the hotel called the club on thursday and said Can you guys come over here? I want to show you before we bill you Look at the fucking table It was chopped up chopped it up. Unbelievable. You know, so when little things like that get out

These are little things in a hotel room, you know when when when uh You know again, I work at the fucking. What's the best hotel in new york city? Jesus the the uh, the plaza tinae that is there's so many of them. I'm a bellman at the plaza tinae Oh, yeah, they do that. I see fucking sean penn walking. Yeah, and every three hours I see a different asian woman walk upstairs. There you go. There you go You're not gonna believe who's here eating chinese food like a motherfucker. You know what I do is that's how it starts You know what I do as a reporter don't I do I had a guy I had a guy Now we didn't pay people the newspapers just don't pay. It's a that's a lie

We had no money to they would never say I need a hundred bucks to pay the doorman We don't do that and very few stories came from doorman or hairdressers But in the case where you meet a guy who works at a hotel and whatever capacity you go, uh Yeah, I really like to hear what you know. This is the fucking hot hotel. This is the soho grand or whatever it is This is where everybody's going. Yeah, I like to hear your shit every week. What can I do for you? I really I like to see the fucking nicks now and then uh, no problem. I'll get nicks for you No problem. So on my corporate card. I fucking bang out two games of the nicks He goes to see the nicks in the nice section

And that guy's indebted I mean people people will talk when you put 20 bucks in their palm Forget about a fucking scene the nicks played the 90s It was I had the I I had the shit to grease their wheels And they would just talk and I'll tell you speaking about chopping up at a hotel I was in south beach once when I was really on top of my game and The e-channel was running a show called a gossip show where it was the precursor to TMZ You probably never saw there was a bunch of journalists and we talked to the camera and blah, blah, blah

And I'm in south beach, you know when it was just starting to get built up I'm on I'm on fucking washington bill of water one of those art deco spots and all night I hear this With the credit card on the fucking table. I'm like, Jesus christ. Who the fuck is next to me? And like a day later i'm about I i'm waiting for this person to leave so I can look who's leaving and it's fucking kate moss And she's a famous cokehead And I don't know she must have recognized me because I was pretty visible back then and uh I just said to her You know at some point today. I got to have some of the shit you're taking

and she laughed And I think she knew what that meant that meant that if you give me some of the shit you're taking No one's gonna know you're doing this in this hotel room You know what I mean? We're we're fine, right? But I need some of that shit and she gave me some of that shit And I never wrote that story that kate moss was in the fucking clevelander hotel chopping lines till four o'clock in the morning I wouldn't do that to her But it'd be nice to have a little fucking taste of your shit

Okay, my lady and she gave me some and I never wrote the story. So If you're if you're out enough and you're around enough You'll you'll get to fucking play the game and extort people or or get people in positions Compromising positions where they need to Tell you things. I'm sure I can help you. You know, what can I do for you? It's just just you know, it's just a lot of shit But at at its core you're a journalist and you're good at what you do and you're gonna write a story So what can we do before I go write this now when you you got a degree in sure? Yeah

Hold on You got a degree in general. Yeah, you believe in the whole system There's a whole thing. Yeah, why not just be a fucking sports rising. I did I was I that's how I started Like I would dream of being asked in madison. Yeah, just covering the fucking lake is that's it And everything that is the lake. I don't know nothing about the lake is I understand But that's what I would do. Like everything lake is I started argument towards the lake is why they need to fucking draft a guard You would you would fucking want to slice your vein within a year Now why well, listen the guys I came up with tom verducci rich chimini peter king

Someone to get wallace matthews are still doing it. We all came up in the 80s We all started as part-time employees at news day on long island and all these guys Tom verducci calls the playoff games and fucking NBC, you know, he's a major fucking talent wallace mat All these guys I'm mentioning are huge They stayed in the game and god bless him I Was like, how many times can I hear an athlete go? I'm just gonna take it one game at a time man. You know, I'm gonna fucking do my thing

You know, we gotta get the hit and we count and we got we How many I can't keep hearing that shit. Yeah, it's fun to see some games It's fun to see the best athletes run up and down the court But when you go in the locker room and you fucking say hey man talk about that playing the second quarter It's the same shit And and I don't want to get on planes and go to fucking North Carolina and Indianapolis and fucking call. I don't want to do that I'd rather stay in New York and cover the fucking glitzy glamorous shit. I'm talking to you. All right. We're talking like nick tutorial

Nick tutorial lives and dies by the end. I know I see nick all the time on twitter. I love him We talk more about, yeah. Yeah, I'm the same way. Why he doesn't Do an article like somebody like that. I'm not talking about fucking Interviewing Oh, I would fucking die. That's listen journalism to me is also Mike Wallace Like Mike Wallace is great. His journalism with no that's the best journalism push buttons. I love all that I like, you know, in a way you could say that what goes on when Anthony Bourdain God rest his soul He was a journalist journalist. Absolutely. He's one of my heroes. One of my heroes

These are people who show you the world right through their fucking eyes People gain trust from you if I tell you that this is happening And a year from now it happens. Now you'll like me more as a journal. That's why sure I see like when somebody goes up to a An athlete and he'll go i'm not answering questions because you burnt me. Yeah fucking asshole. You burnt me Why would you burn me? No, if you're trying to get your name up. It's a delicate. It's a delicate dance You know, but you also got to break you also got to be really honest about stories If somebody dogs it and is being a jerk or whatever

You've got to have the balls to write that story and show up in the locker room the next day and see him again Like if you're okay, you're an athlete. You're telling jokes at the fucking laugh factory or whatever I'm a journalist and I go Joe talk about that. The third joke in the the first four minutes He said the joke about cheats you bust each Can you explain why that's important to you? If you hear that 20 fucking times a week. Oh, I'll shoot myself. Okay. Now. I got to do my job I got to fill the column inches for the paper. I don't even want to ask you the question

I don't want to ask you. You don't want to answer it. That's sports writing I don't want to ask you. You don't want to answer every like 10 to 12 games There's a great game where you go. This is amazing. You hit a home run that was 500 feet You just passed a record that demands yours. There's always something to make sure you get happy again You're in a playoff run But I would also redeem that athlete if I burned an athlete because He wasn't doing the job on a tuesday night and then he came out of his coma on sunday And then tuesday he did another like bernard king to you know turn around baseline jumper

Yeah, I just you know, here's another guy that was doing everything bernard was an animal when I was a kid You know, I knew for a fact like they shipped him out to golden state Right, and then he became like the comeback player the year and then he went back to fucking the nicks I know and he just leveled new york. He was the king of fucking new york Like somebody like that. So like I always love journalism I just want to know the difference between and I know how gossip starts. There's no difference everybody look everybody

everybody understands the the the The principles of journalism whether you're writing whether you're a court reporter Or a street crime reporter or a gossip columnist or a music critic You all know the the the principles of journalism But don't ever think that the person who's working in the gossip column is not as good a reporter as the person who's covering stories for Washington in dc Bullshit because I'm fucking years removed from being in a newsroom

And I see what these assholes are doing at the white house and the fucking stories they're writing and I want to scream What they're doing is not journalism for instance Amarosa is so fucking popular now because she has these tapes and there's things of trump being a Did he say nigga? Okay, he probably said nigga. We've all said nigga. We used to say any meaning mind and mode catch a nigga by the toe Does that mean I'm a racist? We played that game. It's horrible. We live we grew up in those times I'm sure he said it once in a while. I'm sure

We also were in love with the same black girl. We also were in love with the same black girl's family He proposed marriage to the same girl. We both dated. There's nothing racist about him If you're gonna say that he said the nigga word That makes him a racist According to don lemon at cnn and other assholes if you call a black guy stupid, you're racist He called the brown james stupid. He's racist. He calls every white guy asshole sneaky slimy jerk off shorty Why if you make fun of a black guy, you're racist. It's the same thing toughen up stop being such pussies don lemon Do you remember when you had a bottle rocket?

Yeah, if you took the you took the stick off the bottle rocket it became a nigga chase a nigga. That's exactly Unbelievable that even chinese people when you would go to china town you want nigga treasure You want nigga? Y'all know you have fun. You have fun with bottle rocket. You break the bottle rocket You light it they become nigga chaser and you're sitting there going. Oh my god. Listen 1970s in full effect here You know, exactly. You didn't know that did you? No, no, I think I'm pretty sure no knew that You know, I'm walk firman looks like an asshole for the og truck because he actually said with a straight face I've never used the n word And you're looking you're a cop in los angeles who's never said the n get the fuck

So in other words, you're not credible at all. Of course, you've said that word Cops especially say that word white cops Now he's marked from an erasist He I'd probably say he's close to the one But I don't think trump is not when you're in love with the chick who's part black and no it doesn't no No, it doesn't you they got to stop believing Omarosa Who's a fucking dog and a piece of shit and a conniving mean filthy person

Who who everybody laughed at in the media? Donald Trump's bringing uh, umarosa in the white house. What's wrong? She's the worthless and now they're looking at her as the biggest fucking story, you know, whatever you say, umarosa What else do you got you got more tapes? It makes me sick. She got more tapes and prints She got more tapes and prints in that fucking vault that chick had a tape recorder that little fucking monkey of hers You believe that but you don't want everybody in that town has a tape recorder on Dude, she's what she did in that town. You're out of your mind. Okay. Good point. I take people to news I take people I grew up in north bergen, new jersey where the tape recorder is was essential

They tape everything they know everything I remember going to people's houses and they had the tape like when you went to a bookie joint They had the the phone with the plug into the fucking tape recorder, right? So I call you and press record Oh, yeah, yeah, and there's a microphone on the thing When the old days from these phones here, right? I would put a You know when you when you called into a numbers bank. Yeah, you called into a bookie You're getting taped So you call back and say I had the jaguars minus the 10 bull shit. I'll go back to the table play for you

They always so whenever you call a bookie in the 70s. They always had a tape always My mother had tons of tape recorders at the numbers joints. Yeah, same reason because when they call in So I like I have friends I grew up with and everything was based on tapes not some county. It's a corrupt town Yeah, everything is based on tapes So, you know in the old days the super see now, which are all completely different Like I was writing a story in my book the other day about my first encounter in new york My first encounter in new york was on we lived on 89th and riverside drive All right, we had my father had just died and me and my mom lived there

And I didn't know my mom had to building white right and she had to building white I don't know what that means at that age. No idea So one day I'm a little kid and the fucking The phone rings at six in the morning And I'm awake watching pop buy whatever the fuck I was doing my mom sleeping it off Because she had the bar in new york city. Oh, yeah, the super goes put your mom on the phone And I wake my mom mommy and soup it was super super super Yeah, and he said something my mom slammed the phone ran up

Slid open the fucking closet took a bag out really we used to have a balcony in the kitchen And she slid the thing open and she dumped it The balcony underneath and two minutes later. He heard police open up. Holy shit. I was a kid though. That was five Wow, and they sat us both on the couch and they separated us and but by that time I had gone I had my ps 66 used to take you to the to the two five precinct the something And they would fingerprint you. Oh, they just tell you laws really try to shoot a gun Oh my god one day my mom came home and listen. This is what goes on in this house. This is cocaine This is marijuana. Holy shit, you know those places you go to their number books

My head almost exploded and she's like if anybody ever gives you this on the street say no Wow, this is what we do in this house and but then she took out a little statue of the three monks Yeah, of course. Yeah, you know, he knows This is what you live by. This is the rule. You don't know nothing So they busted into the house two weeks later and then they separated us, you know, I've my mom spoke great english Yeah, but right away cuban people and italian people. Yeah, they just speaks great english when the cops get there No, no, no English no english and you become the interpreter by proxy right and they're telling you know

Yeah, tell them I don't know nothing. It's me. No, it's like the spanish girl in uh in man on fire when he goes into the disco No, no, no say it's gonna say Nobody knows nothing in spanish. I know I know It's fantastic They separated they separated. Hey, guess what they separated you like to do with the border Yeah, when your mom and dad break the fucking law they separate the kid for the night No, they put me in the bedroom

My mom in the kitchen they asked me a bunch of questions. I played like the half retard like rito Yeah, yeah, yeah, they got in no nothing They put us back in the couch and they left And I never forgot my mom like 20 minutes later super came up He's like, well, I'm so sorry my mom gave him like a handful of money And my mom and they my mom told and they hit it. Oh, sorry because they tapped your phone Because in those days they would tap your phone in the basement and they had to put a tag on it In those days to say your phone was tapped amazing. That's how you knew your phone was tapped

You went to your thing and you broke open the phone thing and if you looked at the thing a little tagged Really? Yeah, in the 70s and 60s. They had to tell you They had to be a tag like I got a letter still at the house, which I should be getting a lot more I used to get a lot more When you know if you call into a wire tap and they settle the case After the case is settled they they get you they have to send you paperwork that tells you you want a wire Yeah, I know that so if the feds get you on a wire tap or the or like the state prosecutor's office

They have to let you know I used to get those letters for years In fact, I still got one at the house that somebody made me bring on the rogan podcast I showed rogan that's funny and there was a genovese guy that I still talked to as a From a kid We're friends and he called me to do a benefit for them and like a week later I should always tell him like what the fuck is this? Well, they just to let you know You want a wire tap the thing about the thing about when they get like my buddy chico was uh when we were living together in the city And he was working in scores and we we had the you know, it's like donny brasco

That that movie is so real because Me as the journalist a powerful journalist I They looked at me when if you're italian and you have a high profile job The the guys will find you because you can make money with you. They'll find you and if you're like me You'll figure out a way to make money with the guys, you know I did I figured out a way that I can promote parties for them at their club has been still right my column and say

Great party at this club tonight, and they would give me five hundred dollars for the party I still did that which is not ethical, but I did it and she goes with me and he's getting all sorts of trouble and I go and back in the palm one day Madison Avenue and there's chico and there's a couple of guys What wouldn't break is on you know the fucking feds and I see them and uh She gives me a look like uh, you know, I'm sorry about this and I said what the fuck is that? I'm sorry and they go Uh, his name is tim is real man. Hey tim, uh, you know and and these fucking feds they only ask questions

They know the answer to you know, they're not stupid. They don't fuck Tim, you know, uh, you don't Joe Diaz No, I don't know Joe Diaz And they get the fucking book out open the book and there's a picture of you and Joe Diaz together Yeah, and he goes Yeah, I know him, but I don't know the guy I never talked to him. Coco then they take yeah, right his name is Thank you. That's not what I would but I don't talk to always give a nickname Then they go you don't talk to take out the recorder

They press play and there's you and chico talking like you're fucking friends for 100 I didn't know I was fucked up on ambient. I'm like the rose and bar. I don't know nothing But this is me with a legitimate job and I'm looking at him and the feds are on them They know everything And eventually he had to leave and I had to go down to the west village We have to separate he had an organized crime file. It was all it was insane, but They you know when when the feds come into your life Like a phone tap or whatever the fuck it gets real creep and then and then on top of the feds chico had

The tough guys after him too. He had made guys after him and it was a guy named south scala I don't know where he is a wood fucking position. He is now but back in the day. He was a tough guy It was a fucking shooter killer And the word was because chico the somebody met a sort of feds come in my apartment that I vouched for chico So I was in trouble and chico was going to get hit because he was And we knew south scala was the guy that was going to do it For about six months

We would always go into a restaurant or nightclub and in the middle of having fun We go south scala says hello, let me fucking do the fake knife I mean, you know But it's day like it's dangerous But we started laughing about they take a butter knife to your neck south scala says hello, you know But I can't explain it. It was thrilling But fucking scary What to have somebody looking for you to know that someone's out there. Oh my god, you know, I mean

Chico would he would go down to the jerseys show in the winter and live in a cabin with no electricity to be on a lamb I had to work at the news. I loved it. I know you see for years. I love hiding from people Fucking with people and I would hide right in front of them and they wouldn't hide in plain sight I would hide. What do you mean you loved it? It's a thrill. I from 70 from 80 To 95 it's a thrill in my mind I got off On somebody looking for you. See what I'm saying. I don't I don't like you on sometimes like I'm tired And I just let the mailman knock on my door and put the package down

The mailman can't hurt you. The mailman can't hurt you. He's gonna give you a fucking catalog Putting bets on with people. Oh, yeah, not paying them and then they're like they're gonna send a guy to break your legs You know, I had like, yes When I went back to north berg on 84. I went on a tear a front thing And not paying and then they would buy that they would sell the paper to somebody else, which means Uh, I owe you $5,000 right fucking he hates me so much. Yeah, he's gonna give you the five So he could walk to me

So he has an excuse to beat me up. That's awesome. Wow. Like I got to that point People would buy your debts. Oh my god people buy. I mean, it was crazy. That is I had The protection of a cop who loved me. So everybody knew if you touch that spic You're gonna have to deal with this guy eventually I had a cop like that. It was so crazy. Motherfucker. And then I had and then it's funny because This is a different situation that that well, we'll finish this thing on the hunt Mike the guy who baptized me. Yeah The guy who threw water in church

With his wife at the time and he was you know, to this day, it's it's a painful situation for me because I'm playing our fucked Oh, it's the guy that the guy at baptizer you fucked when I got older when my father died He would pick me up every saturday. That's hardcore every saturday. Take me to 42nd street a movie theater. Listen, get me high No, he wouldn't get me. No the fact that the guy who threw water on you you end up fucking like listen to me Oh my god, but look there's more to the story before this is like from a journalistic. Wow. He was For four or five years every saturday. He picked me up at nine in the morning Wherever I was tell my mom. See you later. And he was a savage. He would take me somewhere I know this guy. He told me I don't know. I didn't know the story. His name was gobby lawn. No, I don't know

Gobby lawn caballero. Wow cowboy. He would pick me up. There's a cuban guy that grew up with my dad They played like baseball together as kids And he baptized me my dad died and in the cuban and italian culture When you have godparents. Yeah, and something happens They automatically have to step up right away. Like your godfather has to come in and go No matter what that's the word you give. Yeah when you throw that water on that's the word you give We were tight till about i was 10 and then he would go to miami. He was like a coke sales Whatever he was doing. He would disappear then come back

Well, he was tight with me when him and my mother when my mother died He got tight with me and he did check in with me for a few weeks And then in my world in his world, we we lost communication and I actually forgot about In an 84 when I was going through my fucking. Yeah, my mother was definitely dead now The realization that this ain't coming back. I went off the deep end. Yeah And I bumped into him one day, you know, I never forget that he goes look at the shape of you What happened? You know, he took me to slash ninjas. He bought me a winter jacket

Like I mean guys, that's how pathetic I was in 84. He bought me a winter jacket a couple sweaters What I didn't I didn't want that I wanted a handout. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I wanted 5,000 Yeah, right, right, which I was not going to get you I was going to use to snort coke Of course So I became friendly with him and I would go to his house and he'd he would talk to me never offered me a bedroom You know, so Kind of like I was getting pissed off He's not giving me what I'm supposed to write and then one day he goes. Listen if you need to make money

Okay, I got a way to help. Yeah sell some ounces and I would sell ounces and I played them I played them for six or seven months I played them. You know, if I told him I'd have the money thursday. I have a wednesday And then one day I took a big chunk from him. He says I gotta leave for the weekend You want more and I go, you know what leave me the amount Give me like five of those and I went on a tear and never paid him But he wasn't like the regular people I had burnt before. Yeah, he hunted me down. Sure And he hunted me down. I did the time

The final result was october of 84 and in june of 85. I was in front of a white castle Taking a bus with a bag headed to newark airport and he pulled up really the motorcycle. He was still looking for me Wow And he said the next time I see he goes, you caught me off guard. I've been looking and people were telling me Oh, he comes into bars all the time. Oh, it's so fucking scary and he goes the next time I see I'm going to put a bullet in And he's off I disappeared till 91 and in 91. I went back and went to west new york And I had half his money

All right, and I went to my stepfather and I go where's guy being? He goes, bro. He don't want to see The only thing he wants to do is put a bullet in me. Yeah, and then when I had a kid I loved the guy that baptized my kid's name was pete leave and maryland mcguire We don't speak anymore, but pete pulled me inside when he was dog I was in fort lee about a year ago strong code with these guys. Oh shit and your name came up and There's people looking for you. Yeah Like whatever you did didn't you in city and all those years?

Oh my god, I used to get off on that That's bad, but the biggest one I did was 85. I took this guy for everything and he lived in west new york So the word was out. I was in colorado, but I was really in crest kill new jersey And I was going through the city seeing his friends But he was a fucking west new york guy that wouldn't leave west new york. He was such a a coke dealer. Yeah. Yeah And it's so funny how You know, I just got off on it And then when they would like I old I held this guy 60 fucking grand for blow

And I just took off in 87. That's death money. You're gonna get killed in 87. I just took off 86 winter of 86 is 87 was when I got arrested 88 was when I got sentenced I owed this guy 60 large for coke How did that show how did he slow you down? I owed because it was 35 a kilo. Oh, okay So I would talk him to give me a kilo of 32 or something like that. So I owed him for like two I owed his organization right the people he dealt with I owed close to 120,000 Easy easy easy like you here But you didn't know that I was getting it from AJ and they didn't know the one that you got together

And you're like that fucking that motherfucker, you owe you money to that motherfucker And I found out he owned fucking the kid money. So and I'll never forget when I got separated from my wife I rented a car and I drove up to aspen. I parked the fucking car Who the fuck that I bumped into three minutes after I was walking his name was j. Fredericks. Look at that I'll never forget his name and he came up to me and he goes we I gave him a hug like nothing happened Hey I searched him for weapons when I gave the hug right to make sure Yeah, he was with some broad and how you doing? Why do you live not like nothing happened?

And he goes hey come ask you a question. Whatever happened to that money like oh god, who knows, bro Good to see you. Oh, shit. I just walked away from so I was like Jesus christ, right, right you owe me 70 grand 60 grand. How do you sleep at night? I'm gonna get a fucking phone number from you. We send me 30 and wash me off. Do you have like Extra locks on your door. Are you nervous at all? No Jesus the only time that the the worst time for me was when I was it was 84 85 before god. He was godfather. I had a guy that my Guy I was giving gambling information to who was a big big gambler

And he was giving me money up front to the handicap his games and then his book. He died In Nebraska. That was it from colorado big stockbroker. I said paul Uh, I got a guy in queens my cousin works for a guy in queens, you know, I can get you this and that But you got to send money up front the whole thing. He sent five grand up front. I set him up with god He's Organization queens through my cousin. I hadn't met john yet And I got money because I was doing something called have sheets where you bring a gambler in and whatever Okay, so I was doing have sheets with this guy. So I got a shoot out was the first week john

paul hicks lost The next week he loses the third week. He loses and now You know, my cousin albert tells me, you know, john's upset. This guy's not paying. I go This is like the 80s. I got to call him. You know, there's no cell phones. You got a home number and that's it He's not picking up And I said finally I got him. I said paul. My name is johnny rockbreak. I said paul. It's johnny. I said, listen This is not your fucking your guy in Nebraska. These are real people in new york. No, I know johnny. I said, yeah, but you know You you you can't fucking skip away when you own money. You got to pay. I promise

He's I really want to bet this weekend. I got a game's on a bet So I talked to my cousin albert. I said paul wants to bet So john got in the phone and said let him bet this weekend But whatever he loses this weekend plus what he owes he's got to pay monday and that's it. I said no problem I told paul the same thing. He was johnny. Absolutely He bets bets bets like he bet like not fucking 11 games, you know stupid fucking Stupid teams like to paul versus kraighton like really you fucking He ends up being down 30 000

But he had the money and I go, okay, so paul, you know monday. Yes, johnny. I got it monday comes nothing And uh the next day tuesday they get a check for five hundred dollars In queens by mail and this is like the 80s God he's out of his mind this cocksucker. So I get a call. This is Thanksgiving morning I'll never forget. I'm with the family my mother my mother didn't want me to talk to my my black sheep cousin albert because she knew he was in the mafia AJ it's albert. I okay. What are you doing? Nothing ma

Albert listen your fucking guy paul. He sent 500. They're out of their minds john's gonna call You can stay by the phone john calls 10 minutes later And those recordings you hear a goddy when you hear the the documentaries. I got that And he said, you know a bunch of things but basically he said, you know, you're gonna go down this fucking guy I didn't get to become john goddy because a cocksuck is like this fucking guy And he said in a business without ethics, we got to have ethics I love that statement. It's the best and then he goes I'm gonna say you when you cousin of colorado and you're not gonna go fucking skiing. You're gonna get my fucking money

I'm a I'm a fucking kid. You know, I'm 22 years old It was like I can't go to car. How do you I never went on the airplane before I've never even flown to florida I was petrified. My stomach was turning Albert's like AJ you better get this guy and all you could do was call Then I started sending letters because that's all you could do The letter came back The fucking house was abandoned occupant

Whatever they said occupant gone. There was like a really weirded statement And About a month later. Well, December 14th Comes the big hit on castellano spark stay cast the whole thing And albert says this is a whole new fucking thing. John's the boss The guy john is not the boss. I'm like, oh my god And uh, what does this mean about me you he goes? I don't know And then about a month later

He just said, all right, don't worry about it's over john It's it's gone. You can do no, but they let it go I know but he just he ate it. He ate it. He John ate it. I mean the guy didn't get killed I think he ate the bullshit and I didn't get in trouble But then when he went to his trial in new york by this time i'm a journalist now for news day 91 92 I would go to the sea his court trials. I wanted to pay my respects and he saw me and

I'm in an elevator with him sammy the bold jackie the nose all these fucking guys And uh, I remember it. I I put it in my book sammy who I didn't really know at all He says uh, john, you know, who's this guy like because i'm a fucking a guy in a three piece a two piece suit and a journalist And he says no, he's all right. He's all right. And he said yeah, but he's with them meaning the journalists and john says He's more right than them The best line more right than them And I went to the restaurant. I was 10 steps behind john miller. We went to jam bones

Which is on mod street right across from the courts I had a table next to john and he told me you're a good kid He went to college make your mother proud get away from this bullshit So it's very strange when I see him talking to his son in the fucking jailhouse thing, you know But to me I was a civilian to him. I was just a kid that got mixed up, you know And he said to me make your mother proud, you know, you don't belong in this area Boy, but but then like when chico got mixed up with the mobsters and they beat the shit out of him And left him in the streets for me to pick up and I vouched for chico

I got him all these jobs at night clubs and then I was the guy on the hook because you vouched for this fucking guy Oh my god, when they're after you when they manage you there's you know, I don't know how you Will you left on the lamb that's feeling in the pity of stomach when when guys are after you Oh my god, totally better real quick. I'll go into that. Let me go quick. I'm 55 I Want to be around to pick up the pieces when somebody breaks your heart Some somebody twice as smart as I A somebody who

Will swear to be true as you used to do with me Who'll leave you to learn that misery loves company Wait and see I mean I want to be around To see how he does it when he breaks your heart to bits That was a time I couldn't function if I wasn't in trouble that action that trigger that that I was a loser that trigger Really? So I didn't like the there was a guy I used to when I was a kitty on joe marries

Oh a bar or not not not that one. This is uh, this is north bergen and he was a loan shark And I know he was somebody once told me george's loan shark george the greek. He was really italian That great george george was a loan shark and he had a bartender named lila and we would always go in there We were 15 One day when I was 16, I just went up to him. I go george. Can I talk to you for a second? He was one I need to bar 250 you know this uh 250 for four It's 10 weeks or 40 hours. Okay, and I started with that Then I paid him the 400 and then you know, I have to up to 500 and you're in it

Then I upped them to a thousand and pay him And one day I went to him. I'm like, I need this amount and it just kept going And then I would go up to him and go, you know a j benza. Yeah, he needs this amount a j needs He doesn't want to ask you how about you for him though See and then I would go to him and go lisa. Yeah, you know that guy. Yeah, he comes in nice kid He got a girlfriend pregnant a thousand for abortion I had this so I was paying him from three or four different accounts You didn't even know that I had used your name

What did that it gets you high or something to like new customers have like low and the word voucher is so important So I would say lizin barish. Oh, yeah, he can't come over here He's embarrassed. He doesn't want it. But he wants a thousand bucks. Give me 14 140 a week for 10 weeks and I would put you all in tab Oh my god, and I was going to him and then I got to a point. I was just making up names. Of course Chichabasti And I had this dog in my head. I was paying him eight different accounts until I had him up to like 40,000 You left

But yo, but that so that gets you high that feeling like that that that at that time At that time that's who I was. It was a fucking creepy. Okay So I never forget going back eight months later And I go to his bar Because that's where you had to go get the pills and the coke and I'm in the back There's oh every bar has a back door close to the pool where they're from pool and I'm knocking on the glass me and stinking We're knocking on the glass. I just got off the plane I already owe this guy 40 g's and on top of that I owed another 40 throughout scattered

And I went into people who you know, I used to rob drug dealers And then they were too scared to approach me So they would go to whoever they got the drugs from and go listen. We can't touch them. You go after Oh my god, so I had a bunch of people looking for me for that But the funniest thing was George when I knocked on the glass and I'll never forget Ray Tabasco looked at me Ray Tabasco looked at me goes. What's up? I go. It's George in there He goes what I go. It's George in there and also I hear No

George is up here. I'm like, hey George. How you doing? He had his head because he lived on top of the bar He goes, how you doing? I he goes. How am I doing? What a fuck have you been? I go I'm come George. I had a go on vacation. I got your money. Come on down He goes, I'll be right down dog. He didn't put his head gone. He was gone Me and stinky got in that car and fucking ran the fuck out of there Oh my god, we had loan sharks that we were borrowing from let me tell you how good of a loan shark Okay, I'm listening in 79 my mother dies and hey, I don't know what the statute of limitations is but the story is a story So you get all sucked my dick. You gotta you gotta prove it. You got seven years. You gotta prove it

When I was a kid My mother dies This is one of the greatest things that 89 my mother dies in 79. Oh 79. Wow. I got a job at a lumberyard Okay, the lumberyard is owned on paper by a white dude six foot six nice guy But in real life this thing is owned by a bunch of different people and at the end and they would give me boxes Every week one of my jobs is to get a box and to go to the post office and put mail into Just just bills and right, you know, every those days. It wasn't computer. No, you threw it in You got all your bills in the mail

So if you were building a house if you were a plumber, you got a bill from us Yeah, and I go through, you know a bunch of letters fell on the floor because I was Fuck the post. I was I just walked to the corner. I'm gonna go to the post. Yeah There's a fucking pop in the box right there. I put them in the box and a card falls out And when I go to pick it up, I hit oh And I go I'm living with the benders and I go home and and there there's two credit cards A big time credit card. I'm one for gas. Oh, sure gas cards a mobile card

And there was two checks in there. I'm not gonna tell you the amounts. Okay And I took the card. I didn't know what to do with the cards or the amount And I went to a friend of mine who his brother was half connected at the time. He was a little older He had just got out of college the guy But I knew he ran in weird circles. In fact, he's anyway I meet him and he I tell my buddy. I go And next thing, you know, let's go, uh, I'll show you guys something before you leave next thing, you know, uh He goes my brother wants to see you

Like, okay He comes up to me. I give him the two checks. I give him one check is Significant and the other check is half of that right but not bad And I show him the two mobile card or the american express card He looks me in the face. He goes, I'm gonna give you a grand for the american express Nice, he goes the gas card depending on the limit. I'll give you a thousand Because these are italians don't mind everybody in the family bought time. They always hold it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I've had those cards. I've had those cards. They're gonna hold by time now. We're not gonna buy gas same time

They're not gonna buy gas. They're gonna buy fucking time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and they would buy tires and shit with it And then the next day he called me. He goes, I got your cash for the checks I go, how did you cash those checks? He goes, that's my business It was the year that it was the year general lending got shot. It was that week It was that 81 81 Well, he laid a It was 20 grand plus all my in 20s and I put it in my drawer. It was like my own little ATM machine Oh, that's brilliant. I would fucking pop that motherfucker and then I was telling these guys the other night

About 82 when the first ATM machine got put on my block And from nine to three if you put You wanted 20 dollars the 20 would come up But if you went in there at midnight in those days, you had to put your card outside the door would open Yes, and you walked in it was right 70th and bergen land avenue Dog, do you know that machine you spit out 20s at me? No, I said 200 until 20 it would give me 200 or 200 And I did this for months. You can't leave for months. I would take my buddies and I tell lili watch this We're gonna go on do a gas station. I remember one guy made him duck the whole time. He was ducking on the back seat

What about the cameras don't worry about the cameras? We robbed this ATM machine Do you know I wanted a fed shut up in my house, bro And they were like dog, you're always like six grand. I know I'm like, I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah, what the fuck you're talking about six grand I went thank god money out of the machine and like well every time you go the machine is always light at night Bro, I had tons of friends and then let me tell you something. I had a friend before the eight Let me tell you how much Technology has grown for you young kids at home to know I had a friend that was a genius

He's still alive knock on one. He's still fucking yeah Well, they came to make him money the old-fashioned way. He was a genius. Yeah Today he has a house down the shore. He's retired. Oh, I know one of his biggest games Was going to college I mean going to college he would take every loan available to him And what he would do is he would open up $2,000 bank account In every line of bank. So chase, right? I don't know who it was in those days. So whatever names I'm saying America he would put 2005 bank accounts, right

He would leave it in there for six months and then he would take a $2,000 loan In each of those bank accounts nice on the bank So he was I want to borrow 2000 on the 2000 I got in there. Why I do not know he's got 10 grand now So he would make a bunch of payments like two of the payments And then he would pick one every week on the different aliases So he would go to chase On friday at five to three and close his account

And then he had a predetermined route to a chase in brooklyn Who the computer system was too slow? Oh my god, he would go to chase and close the account that he had with chase in manhattan So he would do he would keep closing the account. So then he would go to suffix So if the bank was open till five Whatever account he would close at five after three. This is 82 guys 83. Yeah, so he was doubled as much I mean, it was just amazing how slow the process was between computers So if you went to the if so today's certainly speaking here I would close my account at downtown right and then run to sherman oaks

Jesus close my account there then you run to woodland hill and close my account there. Yeah takes you forever But they wouldn't catch on till monday Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see from friday you do it. They don't catch on till monday. What happened on monday nothing You're a you're a fucking ghost. You're done. You got your money. You got it. He would take 10. He wouldn't make 50 grand This is how crazy life was but it could be that to some most and they call these people rats But they're not right. No when I was a kid Everybody know like like when you read a mob book Peter mass

He wrote a couple books. Sure Where's he got his information from do you think he gets his information from the air? Ah, you talk to a lot of guys you make friends with everybody people love to talk And you make sources with certain sources and stuff like that When you're telling stories That doesn't make you a rat like I had a cop grown up but I became friends with And he would shoot me little things. Yeah, and I would shoot him little things He would tell me these guys are gonna have a kilo at their house. Rob. Yeah, what do I care?

And I would rob. Yeah, that's somebody was breaking my balls Right, like if I would rob Lee and I heard Lee threaten me I would put him on Lee. Yeah. Yeah So you know what I'm saying? Listen every friday or six lead delivers a kilo come page and pull them over Yeah And don't arrest him when I was taking from when I shake him down make him lose the 20 in 90 In 97 I beat the shit out of a cab driver bad. I beat him bad. I mean Broke his cheekbone his leg. It was horrible. I destroyed him in the street 50 every year in 40 years. Why?

I was with my girlfriend And we were late to get her kid out of kindergarten and this cab came by and I put my hand up And he was he had the light on he didn't stop Just happened like that. He didn't stop pissing him up and I had a black girlfriend Right same girl trump was dating but this is when I was dating a beautiful black girl I felt like the guy didn't like that was with this beautiful black girl. I thought that was in my head He doesn't like that. I'm with this beautiful model black model. He was a fucking like a Haitian Boom he passes me and I give him the finger

He gives me the finger back and then he stops at a red light So I run to the red light. She goes don't do it. I said no, fuck this guy. Get to the red light. What's your problem? No, he starts cursing whatever the fuck and he spits at me and he hits me in the head with a spit So I clock him through the windows down. I knock him in the fucking face And then he goes down on the receipt to get something So I open the door and I fucking destroyed him. I lay him out in the front seat just right right right just destroying him So many times that people grabbed me off of him because it was commuting time. It's five o'clock Guys are going get off him. What are you fucking crazy gonna kill him? I was out of my mind

But my girlfriend screaming He comes out and I'm shutting the door and the door keeps bouncing open. I'm banging the door boom Bang boom and I go what the fuck his leg was hanging out of the car So I broke his shin because I kept slamming like a peshy move. That's what it does Anyhow after all that the guy gets out of the car like the fucking walking dead He's limping at me and I go what is this guy doing? And he he looked like one of those guys at jake lamont afford and raging bull who had nothing left He throws a looping fucking I duck under and I smash him out like a light

Knocked out and everybody's screaming. I just sat down next to him. I told my girlfriend get go get nick from school I'm staying here Cops come They knew who I was a j the winner goes to jail lose the ghost at a hospital. You're going to jail So I was in the jail for the night. Anyhow, I called my detective friend who I would always talk to as a journalist He gave me information. I said Dave This fucking guy. He's a Haitian. He's a fucking immigrant look into this guy. He couldn't speak English. We got it. Don't worry about it And they go but a tommy gets to him. He isn't going to fucking shot. He isn't going to come after you

It's going to go away So they go after him and they work them over. I mean they did they told me now. He worked them over He's illegal. He ain't going to say shit. Don't worry. It's great. Thank you a week later Dave my my detective Dave Aldermatt who worked at midtown north him and about five other cops got busted because there was a A whorehouse nearby that all the cops would visit and get blow jobs and they let the whorehouse operate There was a stinger operation all the cops who did it got fucking thrown off the force They lost their pension. So my guy was one of the guys that got thrown off

AJ I can't help you. I said you gotta be kidding me The fucking Haitians lawyer heard that he marched the Haitian into court with the fucking walker and the cane and the eyepatch and everything And I fucking was guilty And then I played out and then I got sued from the civil trial. They sued me for 10 million We settled on 80,000 Payed this fucking asshole 80 thousand dollars. The point was I had a cop like that. That's happened Did you get friends in high places? Well, you're giving up beatings. Are you friends with john?

But then there's now sure. Yeah, I actually I love to smack me back. I love to smack. I have one of those podcasts two years ago I said smack me back on the air. No, I said, yeah, just do it let it get even Yeah, we were friends. We're fine. That was just a fucking Was that 2019 I think it was 2000 when I smacked and was a crazy You know the house Oh, I was never I was never straight when I was very rarely was on your book. That's why I wanted to read it I don't want to I want to get it to read. I gotta know the next this book

He had 74 and sonny is from when I was a kid, right? I want to read the first book was I was out of my mind What was the first fame ain't a bitch? That's the one that tells about the the pills and the fuck Yeah, yeah, I was out of my mind that you were writing. I'm out of my mind. I was out of my mind I was a fucking rock star gossip columnist. Yeah, I was a fucking nuts Now when you were gossip columnist, let's forget about the journalists when you were gossip columnist Did you have a bartender that called you and said I got some information Sure, but I didn't yeah, I did but I didn't need that. I was I was wired all up. Yes, of course I didn't have a blow or something. I didn't do blow in the city

I was not my thing. My thing was I was a pain pill guy. I drank and took pain pills I was I never did cocaine in New York City when I was a generalist ever. I mean ever when I came to LA I was like, oh cocaine is a currency out here If I get a girl at a nightclub and she wants to go back to my house. She asked me if I got blow I never had blow. I said, I guess I gotta get some blow like I need scotch or vodka or fucking club soda You need cocaine at your house too. I never did coke in New York ever I was to tell my friends if there's coke at this fucking party. I'm not taking my nephew. I was against it

But pills sure pills pills and liquor. That was my thing So now with your podcast, are you still doing this is more gossip sometimes, you know, joey? It's I I riff on I'm I'm I'm no different than a comic. I swear to God, you know, you riff on things You riff on what's ever happening in the world, whether it's Trump or a fucking Hollywood Whatever you riff on I look at what's happening in in in mainly in Hollywood And I go, how can I connect myself to that story? Can I get personal with that story? Yeah, I know shrimp and yeah I hung out with so and so So my my show is a lot about yes, it's gossip

But I break stories because I still have connections to a lot of people and A lot of my show is about my personal stories about the people I talk about so if I'm breaking a story about I don't know like I whatever whatever's happening in the news. I can go Oh, I can make this funny like for instance, Amarosa is talking about Trump being a racist So for Monday's show, I'm gonna talk about or today's show. I'm gonna talk about I'm the only person in in the fucking country You can tell you Trump's not a racist because we used to date the same black girl

And I know how much he loved her family and all this you could say what you wanted about Trump He might have said the n-word like I've said the n-word doesn't mean he's racist. Just calm the fuck down You know, no one else is qualified to tell that story with me So I'll tell that story and I'll give Amarosa shit and I'll tell my story about the girl we dated blah blah blah so There's always something that comes up Bethany Franco's boyfriend Dennis Shields. Oh D I know them the real housewife people. I can talk on that

Well, I remember why I called you the one day you were telling me about the first check that She committed suicide because like boyfriend was gay. I dated her husband was gay The playmate who threw a kid out the window, which one you're going now because that was my girlfriend for a while too Oh, who to who's the playmate that That was my I dated Kate spade and it Okay, I broke that I broke no one cares no one cares the guys the guys are fag no one cares I said

I said I got a feeling this guy's gay So I put the word out with some cops in the city because I still got connections. I said to me favorite You know, okay, she hung herself or whatever, but I got a feeling this guy's gay. Hey Detectives coming back three days later. You know, you're right. He has a lover And when the you know cops want to rule out everything So detectives looked at everything they got surveillance tape on different buildings, you know And you know, this guy's keep he keeps coming to this building with this guy and they'll leave him holding hands They'll leave him with his arms on around the other guy's waist

And we took him in a room and we talked about his, you know, his lifestyle and he goes, I don't want that getting out You know, I I went on the podcast and said I was right You know, uh spade is gay. I fucking knew it. I don't know if that's why she killed herself But I'm sure that's a contributing factor to not being happily married to a man who has a male lover And when she left the note that said ask daddy to her daughter, that's a little fucking weird Like ask your father why I'm miserable or whatever. So I thought that was a good angle to the story Nobody in the mess in the mainstream media writes that he's gay. I don't know. I don't know what to say Okay, don't write it. I think it's fascinating that that's a they don't care

The the mainstream media is terrible now. All they care about is how bad Trump is They don't give a fuck about stories that are everywhere that I don't know what they just the they're dropping the ball on everything They just want to talk about how much how bad Trump is and how bad america is doing. It's fucking gross There's so many great stories out there, you know going back to that police thing. It's so weird Even when like fucking people fuck with me I got a cop. I call now like the cops Find my daughter the cop. Oh, yeah, sure

I just probably investigated him now for like a hundred bucks He's like anytime you have a problem. Just that's it. That's it a couple weeks ago So fuck any of you said something and I pay pal the guy yardstick And we find I get everything license numbers right fucking License plate numbers. I get everything dog where your parents live. I get everything. Yeah, that's real fucking chamber torture Because that's how I grew up. Yeah, that's how I was raised. You just don't go for the good. You go for the I'm going for everything. Yeah, take him out. Take him out. I'm gonna go for everything So it's so weird how

We use I used cops, you know, I love cops. I love, you know, brought me into the fold Bo Deedle brought me into Bo Deedle's coming on the podcast. Okay. He's coming on. He's coming. He's gonna come here Yeah, yeah, so we gotta move that day. He's here. Call me. I want to just say hello. I don't have to be on I just come on over he's doing a love boat because I think he's in a movie that's coming out Yeah, he's in something in December. We did a tv pilot together for right. We'll be called the neighborhood But I don't think it's gonna get picked up but bows in that. No, but both that's when you would do with next to Toro and old I don't who knows good network Dude, listen, it's good enough to pick it up. We shot two episodes. I swear to god. This is good enough to go on a network

I don't mean abc cb. Hulu fucking tbs. It's absolutely good enough It is I don't I'm waiting to hear anyhow Fucking jimmy russo poll ben victor nick to Toro. It's way good enough. It is anyhow. We'll find what days you put your podcast out I'm on now with the new I'm on patreon now. So I'm every day I do a fucking show every day now and I on top of show every day I also do well the three free shows of monday wednesday and friday But my patreon people get a show every day every morning. I also put out On uh chapters of my untitled book that I'm writing now. I also get that's why I like what you do

And that's why I like a lot of work. I don't have to do it to you at all at no level Especially me because I started out for free. I can't switch the game. I hate the advertisers I'm switching. I hate the advertisers, but I'd rather Well, I don't want a gun to my head. I'm not I'm not if I was a journalist Well, I don't know just you know, but you got a good you got a terrific following No, no, the following you got years of this behind if I had if I was a journalist like if I wrote well or took pictures well Or even was willing to tape more of my shit Out

I would have some type of pantry on well, you should this is what it's worth money. It's worth money But I don't mind the time. Listen, that's great. All I do is I I record mostly record from my home or I go to a studio And I give people a fifth my my daily show is only 15 minutes But the three weeklies are 45 minutes But then I give them the patreon people get an untitled a chapter from my untitled book Which is like a 30 minute read. They also get classic hollywood scandals. I did one a fatty art book I didn't want a Sinatra. I did one. I give them I give them a lot So right now it's just starting. It's a good. It's a good start

We got we got a lot of people that have joined us to write every day. I write I write every show I write every show. I'm even thinking of taking the journalism course I wanted to tell you that I wanted to call you and go you're writing your book Please I don't mean let me help you write But let me give you an idea how to start each chapter because I know exactly how you think And the way you tell stories is so great that I could make The your storytelling ability Fucking jump on a page instead of I know how you are. I know you think how do I tell the story about chichi

Bastigio, I know it's like so many different things coming at you All you do is you pick a time you say If you if it started at a nightclub You just say something as simple as the last factory on a friday eight o'clock usually looks like this There's so and so in a corner. This one's doing this. This is the there's this happening at this hour on this particular night Boom this happened then get into your story. I think think I think there's easier ways for you. No, no No, I'm learning easier. Listen, man. I'm learning something that Writing is great. It's the I did not know I didn't have to respect that hat

It's hard though. I thought it was like stand up when I got into stand up when I got into the other man When I got into stand up I thought those guys just shut up and got a microphone. No and something somebody was there with a camera No, and that stuff was fresh. I didn't know that you worked out I didn't know that you hadn't got on stage the same thing happened to me with writing I thought that you could just write how I tell a story No, and then I read it and it's fucking pure trash and I got to start you know how many books I've written already I'm sure I know I know now. Let me tell you this last

Three months have been the best Three month writing I could tap as you haven't talked you haven't said anything bad about you were agonizing over for a while 15th or I wasn't I remember I was in debt. I listened to you last november I know till june 4th. I remember the personal health. I heard you and it was two weeks after that It was my head My stomach was bothering me. My confidence was down I was just in the pits And some most people go see a psychiatrist. I didn't I knew something was wrong

And I got a new notebook right and I wrote man just right man I just kept writing it and I saw what was coming out. It wasn't good It was just coming out and it was lack of confidence Somewhere along the line. Yeah, I lost my bravado that bravado. There was two things that happened I shot the special I saw every road you told me you told me you didn't like this happen. Yeah, I saw Whitney Cummings on stage And then that dumb fuck said something to me online. Are you telling me dumb fuck said something to me online? I know fucking mule. Yeah, I said

This is because I showed weakness somewhere. Yeah, the weakness is done. Don't get rid of that. Yeah, I'm not going to these places I went to the improv the other night just out of because uh, he's a good friend of mine They got it. He's a great kid and our senile fell out and he always drove me a couple yardsticks and he put on great shows Right. Uh, what's his name? Brian Monarch. I love him to death But I'm a comedy store guy from now on if you want to be a green beret, you gotta hang out That's it. If you want to hang out if you want to be green beret, you gotta hang out with green berets Right, you know, I was dicking around and trying to hang out at different clubs. Yeah, that's not gonna work

Yeah, I'm not gonna work good for me to get that energy back. Good. Fuck. I was like right now. Usually I have a spot Yeah, and I'm nervous I'm not nervous. No, I don't give a fuck. That's it. Either they're gonna like it or they're not I'm gonna give them the best 20 minutes of my life and I'm gonna get my car and go home And smoke a joint like I do every fucking night. You know what I when I first did the podcast and then About two weeks ago, we started patreon, which is okay. You're writing every day You're giving the show every day and I just I don't just turn the mic on and just You know, I see what people do people fucking I have a newspaper or the terminal that the laptop's open

They read a story and they give their spin on it. I won't do that to my people. I don't I will say I want to write about this story. How could I put myself in this store? Who do I know in this angle? Let me and I'll write And when I do a podcast each podcast is generally 12 pages on a on a laptop That's not easy to do 12 pages is half a chapter of a book So In a week to do all my shows. I just don't show up and talking I could do it. I could fumble and say but when you hear my pocket, you'll never hear me go

Um, you know, uh, what do you call I I don't want to do it like that Because a lot of people know me as the guy on tv that's scripted that says things the way he says things So I want to satisfy them. I want to tell them a nice story I want to you know, I just want to come across like oh, it's crisp. It's good. Hey, listen. I want whatever you charge I want my value for it. It's five bucks. You people throw away on coffee every week. Old school america Yes, old school journalism old school and that's it. It's a quarter of a month. Yeah, remember we used to pay for a paper It's a quarter of a month right pay for a paper. You go to airport and get a new york post at the la I love it. It's fine. I never buy it. I steal it. I steal everything. I steal everything

I don't buy nothing in an airport nothing nothing even earplugs fucking waters. These are from fucking fall lord of the la airport No, miami. I went to Versailles. I got a couple empanadas and I took these with the fucking I wouldn't buy those shits But you know what the people listen to my show And the same thing as your audience they get you pumped they get your hype you can't let them down So now i'm in contact with my audience every day with the app and we're talking all day I can't let them down You know when they tell you do this do this this you go

Whatever's going on in my life. I can't let those whatever how many people done? I gotta I gotta make them happy So I love it. Whenever you're feeling lazy. You want to just no I got people who want to hear good shit So I love it. It's the best. It's like getting my column back joe. It's like I have my column. No, you do have it I told you that it's the same thing. It's the same thing only you control it. No for us now. No nobody who said you can't Put that in there. I know him. You cannot put that in there. Can't this is what the beauty It's perfect. What's the name of the show fame is a bitch right here on the shirt fame is a bitch Comes out monday. Well the free shows of monday wednesday and friday patreon It's every day. You got to go to the patreon app and get me but you start free if you want. No, it's all right

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