Uncle Joey's Joint with Joey Diaz - #686 - Nick Vallelonga

Episode Date: May 23, 2019

Nick Vallelonga is an actor, screenwriter, and producer. He recently won two Oscars (Best Original Screen Play and Best Picture) for his work on "The Green Book," and he joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt LIVE in studio.  This podcast is brought to you by: Manscaped - Get 20% off your first order and a travel bag if you purchase “The Perfect Package” at manscaped.com and use the code CHURCH    Onnit.com - Use Promo code CHURCH for a 10% discount at checkout.  

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You cock suck as the green book. How are you my dear friend? Good. How you doing? I finally figured out where I met in the whole situation We you and I did a horrible movie together in 2012 But I would not discuss on TV on this except for you being here. We did a movie called Jersey Shore shark attack. Oh Yes, I think the next day Paulie Walnuts was showing up. Yes or something. I only did that's right I forgot about 2012. I didn't even do the movie because it cocaine money I did the movie because the guys had put me in like eight other movies They really did the guys really put me in like six movies

Seven or eight and that was the eighth one and when they called me. I really go. We got something perfect for you Jersey Shush. I'm like, oh god. This is gonna. That's right. That's where we met. That's what I'm not about that That's why I met you and then I I didn't know if I kept saying for years after the movie came out the green book a Dear, dear friend. Listen, I haven't been in contact with movies in years. You know when you're just too busy Yeah, you're bigger than you bigger than no You ever just been too busy to watch TV like there was a time next I grew up in the movie theater So did you would you grow up to Bronx? I grew up in the Bronx and in Jersey. Okay, you grew up in a movie

Yeah, I was an usher on Saturdays. You can't wait for a fucking movie to come out. That's right, but Now who has the time? I wish I had the time to go to two movies a week and sit and Argue at you about the act and he didn't do it, right? I don't have the time. You're right I joined that club, you know, you pay one one fee can go to three movies a week because I thought oh kid of me I'm gonna get my money's worth. I hardly I barely have a chance to go anymore. I used to go all the time I want to go see every movie that came out when I worked in a movie theater for years and the best part was you got free movies I saw everything for five years

You couldn't wait to see a fucking movie and now it's like a movie comes out and you already I don't know if it's called jaded But you see that you you see the trailer and you make your decision up right there like I'm not gonna see that That's a waste of my fucking time Or you don't see the trail and I could be a friend of my mic buttoly Who I've known for 30 years called me For like months and he kept telling me you see the green book Did you see the green book on my mic? When the fuck do I have time?

You're gonna love it go see the green book go see and he works with frankie valley. Oh, okay So go see the green book go see the green book And finally that time got on the plane and watched it. It was on and I was Fucking blow you know when they said sabash was in it. I was definitely gonna watch it. Yeah, he's my little brother I'm not gonna watch it And you wrote something that Touched the fuck out of me You know, I think I think the movie was supposed to be based in 63

Yes, 62 And it's so funny when I came from cuban 65 and don't I came from cuban 66 But when I was five from the ages of five to seven I hung out with an african-american kid. My mother had a bond on a 27th and auto bond And that made me think I wish I could find this kid today and hug him Because this family took me into their home In 68 and 69 you kept to yourself And the brothers kept to themselves

That's how that's how it's just how the culture was that's how the culture was then they every all the brothers had the afro picks with the Fist of them and they put in their back pocket. You remember all that Yeah, new york the itines were in one section the jewish people in one section The irish were in a section the black people were in a section It's just the way it was because they were tribal everyone stayed with their own That's just how how it was during that time the 30s or 40s But I still remember walking from his house In the project 125th street and him getting shit

For bringing a white kid into the neighborhood and then walking away from 125th and as you got to 135th White people would say shit to me For walking around with him like they still weren't You know dependent where we went were color You know, it's like what are you bringing him into the fucking neighborhood for leave him outside the store shit like that I didn't know Crazy till today my daughter's six And if I tell my daughter, hey, what'd you think of the black guy?

She she'll look she'll look me straight in the face and go all the guy with glasses on She doesn't see color. That's good. So unless you Teach your child that shit They don't see it. That's a lie because I didn't see it at first I heard about it years later when I moved to jersey got no choice When you move to jersey, they just tell you right out. You respect. Yeah, you know, they don't give a fuck That opening scene was crazy where the two plumbers came over and he threw away the glasses That was uh, well, I was important to show that because uh, even my father, you know, uh

To show my father in that light, but I discussed that with my father and We had to show it because it shows what was going on at the time Even though he wasn't a bad person. He was still he was still a product of his environment and his culture and He changed see that's the point of the movie that people can change and learn So that's what that's why how that had to be in the movie. How would be the first time your dad told you that story? Uh, well, I met dr. Shirley when I was like five I my father took me up to Carnegie Hall

To do exactly what you see in the movie above the Carnegie Hall He had this amazing penthouse suite with the The grand piano chandeliers all the artifacts the african artifacts um, he came out and this amazingly beautiful african robe And um, so that was like walking into Oz, you know what I mean? So I never forgot that and then you know when I was in my teens when he still told me the story

But I remembered the christmas eve when he came over I remembered that I was little but I remember definitely remembered that him what coming into the apartment What did your family think was it like in the movie that much receptive pull up a chair? Oh, yeah, once everybody froze once he came in, you know, the first we have a little comedic moment where everyone freezes But once he came in You know, my mother and my family was loving the times it's once someone's in the home that sit down and eat, you know, so Uh, yeah, I remember that very well. I remember the first time we met on that set and you came up to me And told me he was your dad. I got to tell you something

He was one of my all-time favorite gangsters and I tell you this in all sincerity I laid my eyes on him the first time in the proper Greenwich village And he said something so deep in that movie at the time. I was fucking around with loan sharks My whole life was uh, this just torturing two loan sharks I'm saying borrowing from one borrowing from the other and that line he said how come nobody keeps me waiting When they're looking to borrow. Yeah, that line stuck with me forever because it's true When people want to borrow money from you, they call you. I'm gonna be that five. They get there at 10 to five They could be a blizzard two snow storms

That mother got hit by lightning All the excuses they give you when it's time to pay you the money Ah, you're not gonna believe what happened. My my goat ate the cash The bus went to the wrong place. So for me hearing that fucking cracked me up It flowed off his tongue. Oh my god. It really he had a little experience with it It was like the second line of the fucking movie because he's back there waiting for you And uh, Mickey Rourke goes back there. How long had your dad been acting? We started with the godfather

so, uh he Was working the copa and I guess it either Francis Ford Coppola or uh the casting director who moved to jammo Fred ruse they think Producers they went into the copa to see some gangsters and they hang out and they Brought my father's the one who was going to intercede and introduce him to some people And uh, they asked him to be in the movie And that was the first movie and you win the godfather off

Yeah, because then once he got in then they said to me got kids. We need Italian kids We have this big wedding scene and so my brother and I had to go screen test For it and we got in with like the little kids in the wedding scene. How was that? Well, for me, it was for whatever reason It just I loved it from the minute I was there I just knew this is what I want to do for the rest of my life make movies I always loved movies as a little kid to see it made to be there Um, it was at the house at statten island to see that the walls were fake one day

So I'm taking a wall apart. I said, what the hell are you doing? And then they took it apart. I saw that the wall was only paper thin, you know on two sides It was just wood in between I couldn't even believe what I was seeing that this is all fake. This is uh, it was crazy It was something else You guys were talking about a bad movie that you were both in but you're like And I know you were probably too young But when you were on like the godfather and then the green book that that won best picture

Is there a feeling when you're on like a movie like that? That's like this is gonna be An amazing this is an amazing this is different from the other movies. Well, luckily I've been I I did a lot of extra work in New York. I that was my film school You know, I I didn't care about extra non extra in New York. It was a little different You had people that were doing Broadway then they do an extra work during the day And you got to know the the ad's The same guys would work in New York. So movie or tv show would come in It's the same guys

So after a while doing so much extra work, they get to know you they see who has a brain on their head Who's not an idiot, you know Talking all the time. So then look something would come up something was on the set They need a guy to say a line They need a cop to do something they go nick come in and so because they knew I wasn't an idiot But so doing the extra work Uh, I learned I watched I stood back, but I was in the godfather. That was the one I was a kid But then when I got older, I was in things like putteezana. I was in good fellas

Uh, you know, I just uh, what did you do sitting sitting the met film? I did I can't think of a name of it with Sean Connery and Dustin Hoffman Just every film that they did in the city. I was in it somewhere, you know good fellas. I was um My father's had a good part of good fellas. He was in the whole movie But I did I was there for the culprits scenes I was supposed to be part of Ray Liotta's crew like he had his own little crew or young guys So we're in the culprits scenes. We don't really see me And then I was in the prison scenes and I'm with Ray

We shot some stuff that didn't make the movie but when his wife comes in I'm sitting Like behind him said I'm watching him from the tail. I'm right there with him. We did a bunch of stuff there So I didn't get a chance to talk to Ray When we saw him last But uh, yeah, I did that with Ray Liotta. Now how long Your dad passed in 212 2013 2013 and uh, I'm sure he's missed by a lot of people. What how long had you been discussing the script for green book? Well, I you know, I interviewed him in like 1989 90. Who's that my father and then uh,

I tape a quarter of cassette and Then he said, okay, we gotta talk to dr. Show. You gotta get his side of the story and we got his approval What he'll let in it won't let in So I started having long phone conversations with both of them on the phone, you know In those days, you had the extension one phone in one room another phone in another room And I took tons of notes and he told me uh What was what he told me about the trip? He said the only people on this trip are me and your father So I never want you to talk to anyone else about me. Don't ever talk to my family. This is it

What I tell you, that's it. You gotta promise me that I don't want anything about the rest of my life in it Because maybe he was thinking of doing his own book his own movie Because people say oh, it's not enough about him. It's exactly what he wanted in So all that criticism. Oh, it's all about your father. Well, yeah, of course, it's about my father He told me the story. So I'm telling you from my father's perspective How this guy from the Bronx Went on this trip with this genius piano player

But I didn't have more dr. Shirley in it because he didn't want it He said I don't I only want you to tell from when I met your father to When we were on the trip together. So that's what we told and he also was a psychology Major he had he studied it and he So like he would tell me that he would say things just to push my father's buttons to see how he would react Because he said I never met anyone like your father before so Some things he might have said or done. Maybe he didn't really say or do

Outside of that, but he told my father. So I just put in what he told my father and me And then we we have it But the their their story is all that corroborated and he approved everything that was going to eventually be in The script a dr. Shirley or your father. They died once apart. Yeah, just by quits and so that family or dr Shirley didn't get to see this beautiful story. I mean, right they didn't each one of them didn't get but dr Shaw I didn't know about his family and I got criticized for that too at the time I didn't know about his family because in 1991 When he told me don't ever talk to my family

I mean He could add 10 brothers two brothers the only brother he had mentioned was once so he told my father. Yeah, I got a brother somewhere So I never At that time there was no looking anyone up on the internet But even years later when I was closer to making the movie I didn't look up his family because he told me not to do that I mean, you know that you from new york A few if I say to you I don't want you to do this

But you can tell my story, but you give me my word don't talk to my family don't make it till after I die What would you do done done you give you word you're a stand-up guy So I gave the man my word. I waited till after he passed away. He didn't want it in there Anything done till after that and I also didn't reach out to anyone because that's what he asked me to do Did the family come out after the movie was released or family came out afterwards? There was a lot of press about it saying I didn't do my due diligence. I didn't talk to them Which again put me in an awkward position because he told me not to talk to him

And what more due diligence could I do than talk to the man himself? So I did as much due diligence as I could do But you got to remember this happened in 1962 63 I talked to him about it in 1990 91 I didn't start making the movie Uh, uh start even writing the script with peter forelli and brian curry till 2015 This is you know 50 years Uh

I didn't know I didn't look up the family because the family couldn't have told me anything about the trip and I told them I wouldn't look up the family so they were upset and I felt bad about that But then they uh, you know, they they said some some kind of hurtful things I didn't think were necessary, but there's nothing I could do about it. That's what I said I promised the guy would have talked to them But they reached out to them. They invited them to screenings They even pre screenings before the movie came out in new york They they invited me so would you like to see it and even though you're hearing about some of the family that were mad

There was a lot of family members and friends that said this is beautiful. It's exactly how he was you guys captured it perfectly I remember that trip some people remembered it and um So I think for the most part most of them were happy. There were a few that weren't but You're not gonna make everybody happy. Of course at the end of the day No, nobody's gonna be well you tried to make listen rehearsals portrayal Beautiful beautiful man beautiful portrayal of the guy a genius. I think we showed him in Showing what what a what a genius he was Listen, no one would even know his name right now. You know, we know who he is

No one know about the green book So it wasn't a bio pick of don Shirley It was a little slice of life a little portion of his life like my father Little portion of his life and everyone took great care Peter Farley Everyone the from when we wrote it to producing it to Pete directing it and to maershala portraying him I think uh, it was a beautiful job. The guy's known people are downloading his music I mean, he was sort of a lost one of those lost guys that that in his time. He was known But he wasn't like a big big name

Outside of the jazz world that in that in that classical sort of world So i'm glad his name was out there. People know who he is. They know his music They know what the green book is And though we made a pretty the movie's not that bad at one best picture. So we didn't do that I think it was a tremendous movie You know in a world where I like certain fucking movies, Nick I don't go see everything. I don't want to see the avengers I don't want to see a lot of shit. I don't want to see remakes. I'm done

I'm 56. I've seen it all I've seen the good ones and the bad ones and once you're in a movie you see behind the curtain why a movie's made No capes. You don't want to see the capes. No capes. Yeah, no capes. No nothing So to me that movie It came somewhere where I you know where I've been, you know, I was telling people here that sometimes I say the word Arab or whatever When I was in college, my two there was Mohammed Zabeb. He would come to my house. I would go to his house He would tell me about that culture

So whatever the fuck you say, it doesn't really matter because I know the truth. They're sweet people So we've all gone through that transition where we prejudge somebody. Yeah The way your family did it was hilarious in the movie because that's the way every Family was, you know, sure Fuck the two glasses. I saw crazy as shit. Yes. I saw crazy as shit, you know To me it reminded me like just like there's movies used to have like a point Now like a lot of movies out there are just Like even I like action movies, but there's not it's just it's a fun two hours where stuff blows up

And I like something where you learn something you get Try like I like you learn about that time You learn about like I'd heard about something like the green book But seeing them go to the bar when he gets drunk and the guys are beating him up I'm like wow that and then the the scene that I really liked Was when they the car broke down and there were the guys were working in the field. I was I was like wow that Those are the scenes that They mean something look at when you watch Rocky you feel something right

There's certain movies you watch you don't feel dick Well, that's what I wanted to do. I felt something when I watched your movie I wanted to make a movie that people felt something and that you know, I made a lot of crap before that But you try you know, I was kind of the minor leagues of movie making making lots of independent movies never having enough money Whatever the excuses are, but I always wanted to make those type of feel good movies You know like Frank Kappa movie or you know the bicycle thief or a Walt Disney movie the movies that make you feel There's room for everything else. I love action movies I I like superhero movies if they're good at whatever it is if it's entertaining. I think there's room for everything

but When I talked to Brian Curry about to bring him on to write with me and then we went to Pete We all you know wanted to make a movie that touched people We're not solving racism it's just a slice of life, but There's a little hope at the end of it and it's it's it's a story about human beings I never thought about black and white. I just thought about two people and that's how you should look at it so I think

Like I said, we were very meticulous about the script and then when Pete's direction was impeccable I mean, he should have been nominated for best director. I don't let that to me as a travesty How's the movie get nominated for best movie? Would it direct itself? You know what I mean? I feel the same way about Bradley Cooper He should have got nominated for best picture the movies are best picture That should be a thing if it's a best picture the director should be nominated nothing against the other guys that got nominated But how is Pete fairly not nominated when this movie wins best picture something wrong there? But my point is Pete did a hell of a job

We we all cared about it and it's filled with I think there's a truthfulness to it Despite what some people think all those little incidents really happened the only Creative license we took was it happened over a year and a half period We moved them around Pete wanted to concentrate it So we did it in that two month period before Christmas But that's you know, it's not it all actually happened. We just took all the best stories and put them together And we knew okay. This is uh, this is a true story. And I think that's why it resonates

That's why you feel something Because it's not a bunch of garbage. So it's not a lie. You're feeling these things happen. These people really were affected And uh, you know these criticism all all of a sudden Tony looks character turns around in two months. Well, it wasn't two months. It was always a period of time But yes, he did turn around he changed his life how he raised us how he treated other people uh, so um I was happy to I was able to get that story on the screen and uh The one I didn't understand the one that the one that fucked with me a little bit wasn't was funny and sad at the same time

Not even funny is when he straight out and he called him at the Y or whatever the fuck it's supposed to be You and I both know at that time period People like you and me would have been shocked like I would have been shocked You know your dad didn't really judge him at that period. No at that time He just walked out of there. Did your dad tell you the story the doctor told you they both did And the thing was that's why even you know life is complicated and people are complicated. So, you know the word racist I guess

It means one thing it's a lot of people So you see something like the the glasses at the beginning. You know, that's a racist effort, you know but Again, and this is I don't I don't like give there's no excuses, but One thing or how a person is doesn't mean he's completely one way or has a bad heart or he has a He was it it wasn't It wasn't a racist in the sense. He wasn't walking around with a hood in his head He was a people person he loved people human beings and he didn't really judge people like my whole life

We were around all kinds of people and he loved other people's cultures and food and how they laughed how they danced It didn't like how how they dressed He would love it if he saw something didn't matter if you were black white jewish so Even though in the culture and you know growing up in in new york and stuff There were tribal groups but everyone stayed with their own kind but

my father once he Mixed with people he he treated them all the same and he brought us up to do that. So in that particular sense Like he says in the movie. I've been around nightclubs all my life. I know it's a complicated world He's he done and seen everything in the city, right? He's in nightclubs He was working at the wagon wheel in the peppermint lounge He grew up knocking guys out. He was all over the place. He saw it all so He said he knew when he met don charlie. He says I knew he was gay when I met him I had a kid. What do I care?

It was his business Nothing to do with me. He was a nice guy to me treated me fantastic So I was there to protect him and I protected him I'm not there to judge him what he wanted to do or what he didn't want to do But I didn't want him going out without me because I don't want him getting beaten up I don't want to get arrested. I will try to in those days He says in the movie, you know what would happen if this got out your career and everything because they were judged for that so

He's had a good heart with people even though he was this rough and tunnel guy And that's what that scene was about and that and it really happened. So Uh, we put it in Has there been any thought to making a television show to so you could go a little bit more in death into some of the stories? Uh, it's never really come up. You know, you got you got some cash. You want to fund it? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll be very small invest It's just how many scripts did you write before this? Oh, I had a bunch of a lot of of independent movies. I mean that were made

First movie was a movie called deadfall with nick cage michael bean Talia shire pita funder Was it a cast in all this writing all through the years? Did you ever think of winning an academy award? Did you ever think it was possible? Was it something on the back burning or was it something like me? You never even think about it. You just live your life. It wasn't like you just have to eat I'm gonna write an academy award

Like any other kid or even just person not even in the film industry when you watched the academy awards growing up You always think oh, what would I say if I was up there? What what would it be like to be up there? Or maybe I'll be up there one day But not actually when I was doing the work to do something Just trying to make the best movies you can even if I'm making a crappy little movie and I made a lot of those I'm still trying to make something good I never thought of academy awards and when we started getting on this ride Uh, it was a nice thought but

You know to me it sounds cliche the award was I got the movie made with a lot of big people It got seen the audience response was unbelievable. This award's like sort of uh, uh Campaign That was rough man. That was rough. Really. So it was I said these people I mean I used to play ball baseball and stuff And you win you win you lose you lose you shake hands at the end of the game. That's how I was brought up This is a brutal brutal people if they could

Chop your head off they would and I uh I got a little thrown off by that and then I started we we were getting attacked on every level Like to the shirley family with press. Oh, he's lying about this him and his father are racists Uh, you know veagle got attacked Pete farley got attacked. I got attacked brutally Uh people are trying to knock the movie down But how bad does it feel when somebody calls you a lie?

Crap and you know that you're telling the truth and you really don't give a fuck You know, like you like if he thinks I'm lying, I really don't give a fuck. What do you think? I know what happened. I was there But like, you know, I had to keep my mouth shut with a lot of things because of the good of the movie and the publicity Because the more you say I noticed a couple things I tried to explain Even though I'm telling the truth they twist it So even when I told the truth a couple things they said, oh, yeah, that's convenient. Yeah, he didn't ensure he's saying that now So how do you win? You can't win you can't win

Uh, I don't even get into it. There was a tweet I made in 2015 about Whatever I made it about and they took they twisted it. It's not about what they said it was about Not what I meant to was what I was talking about at all and I couldn't come out and Say, oh, that's what I meant at all. You're reading it wrong. It's a tweet So how beautiful is to take a look at one of your tweets? Well, 2014 first of and sum you the fuck up and one fucking four in one thing 140 words Right. Well, first of all, it shows you that they were looking digging for so that's the best that they could come up with, right?

Uh, some stupid tweet I made. I'll say what it was. They were talking about uh, uh it was about when I guess trump was saying he saw muslims cheering 9 11 on rooftops said he saw it on the news so Then the news came out and said well, not he's nuts and he's lying because it was never reported specifically CBS news he said I think I saw it on cbs or something like that. I used to work for cbs news To the 9 11 it was crazy in new york as we were the tri-state area room was devastated and uh

On cbs news. They reported that this was going on now Whatever I saw it go wash 2014 15 They said oh, it was never reported So for some stupid reason that got but I I wasn't pissed at the news. I mean, how could they lie about that? Whether it happened or not. I don't know. I didn't see it happen I saw the news report that said it happened the news report said it happened

So all I said was but I wrote it in a odd way. I said, yeah 100 correct Cheering going on. I think I saw it in cbs news They came out and said i'm racist and um and and islamophobic Uh rants and tweets Well, first of all was one tweet number one. How does it make me racist? I didn't say I I just said I saw something on television I saw the news report on television That's it But because it was a tweet I could only write so many words if I know I was right if I don't write a dissertation

I would have said oh, yes. I also saw the news report that said that on tv. It was on channel two Crazy what went on with that is just insane Which shows they could say into anything so I didn't say anything about it because uh for the good of the movie. They didn't want me to say nothing I wanted to defend myself and say well What they're saying is not the truth. I'm being accused of something I didn't do or didn't mean wasn't even in my heart Mind or soul what they're saying And and that's what happened. So taught me a great lesson

Uh, luckily I was not a real tweeter I think only the 20 tweets so in my whole life about come see this movie go see my movie That one in particular pissed me off because I thought how could a news Organization lie and say it wasn't on the air another one on youtube. I found it I found I found the uh the news report. It's uh, it was on people everyone else that knows me saw it people in jersey And I got a lot of people don't know we said oh, I saw that But so what I saw it on tv. What is it? Was We all saw planes in a building. We saw the world series being won. Well, if I said, yeah, I won the I saw I saw the uh the uh

The red socks win the world series I saw it on television and I didn't do it. You know what I mean? It's bizarre So they come after you even when you win the fucking right? So it was it was it was a tough time it kind of took the the fun out of it for me and um But it didn't didn't stop the movie and the movie did well because I think people saw most people saw through that I think it's a small minority And and the people that report that stuff aren't real journalists the real journalists

I've had a lot of good ones along this trip and uh, they're they're they're good people and they're brains in their head and they They ask both sides of the story. This was just a tack attack attack attack And uh, you know what? But I'm a big boy. I could take it. I dealt with it I said, whatever. I don't care what they think So Nick a fucking academy award one two academy awards. You know what I'm saying? Academy award. This is no when you were writing it Who are you thinking of for the lead when you were writing? Uh I knew it had to be in italian before I met with pete and brian a couple years before when I was first thinking about it. Um

I talked to james ganolfini about it and he loved it And I was thinking I was well not thinking we were gonna pursue that Unfortunately, he passed away. So after he passed away again, I put him sort of on the side burner So I can be my father had passed away the same ganolfini the last time I saw him was at my father's funeral Four or five months later. He passed away too. So it was really a rough sort of time for me And then when I started doing it again with brian curry and peter farrelly Lots of names came up And we uh, we talked to a lot of different people and peep met with some people and then it was peep that came came to me

And said we're about vega mortensen and I vega mortensen's one of my favorite actors of all time And I went wow the vega mortensen unbelievable. I said about pete something about I think the guys got to be italian or at least half italian or have Some of that sensibility because you know, you start doing a bad New york italian terrible. It's like a saturday night live skin, you know, some guys imitating joe peshy badly, you know, so, uh I thought about it and I said, well, you know what who's the most iconic italian character ever put on film It's the godfather if you think who's the biggest the godfather marlon brando not italian marlon brandos irish

Maybe mixed whatever he is but no italian I said, you know what vego is like i'm marlon brando And I said pete. I think you're onto something. I think he can do it. I pictured it in my head And vego man. What a what a job he did. That's my father. You watch some movie. That's exactly my father how he was when at that age vego studied film tape Luckily, there was my father later in life was an actor So he watched the pope he watched the sopranos he watched everything my father was in Listened to the tapes that I recorded of my father telling the story

and he just Gained 45 pounds hung out with me and my brother and my uncles He picked up not only the bronx accent, but when he spoke in italian My father and his family had a They were from colabria. So the colabrian accent mixed with the bronx had its own sort of dialect, you know And vego was right on it, but that was pete's idea and it turned out brilliantly What were you what did you start off as when you went to college? I went to college. Yeah, what kind of degree? Communications, did you think you were gonna write it on? Yeah, I always was writing for my little kid. I wrote little books

I wrote little stories. I was writing and watching your dad act that that inspired you to act or yeah Yeah, yeah, I guess so. Yeah, but I loved it for like I said for when I was 10. I always knew I wanted to be an actor I don't know why it's it's not the smartest Father did you do a bunch of stuff? I I wasn't like a kid actor. I did the godfather But that was the thing that got me like the film, you know filmmaking So I was always making little films in those days. They had the eight millimeter Literally caught him with scissors put him together with fire

Yeah, so I used to make my little little movies and then in high school Like I was the only kid that took the film class and not go to sleep So I watched the film teacher was excited about that. Oh finally one of these kids gives a crap So he would show me citizen cane and It's a wonderful life and all these great movies and learn about editing Then I became an usher in a movie theater and I'd watch movies over and over and over and believe it or not That was like a film school onto itself because I say, okay now I'll watch how they edit it now I'll watch just the acting now. I'll watch the action sequences

So every movie because those days the movie is there for nine months. So you watch hundreds of times So I just Loved love film and I always knew I wanted to get into it. So I went to college for communications studied film and tv I was acting during college. I started doing the extra work in new york And now how long were you kick around new york off broadway? I did a lot lots and lots of theater How long did you kick around new york? I uh was from from rata high school even when I was in college I was doing stuff from new york uh till I was almost 30 and then I moved till I

When you moved to LA, what did you want to do? Well same thing? I knew I had to get out here in the And get to and get it how long until you sold your first script I sold the script like Very quickly really as soon as I got out so I got here. I got a play. I got I got a tv show And I sold the script like right away Just boom So I but then after that it went downhill for a while, but when I first got here went good And what do you mean downhill? Well, then it was

Then it was you know, then it was the the struggle, you know, I was back Trying to get movies made Write some more scripts. I was getting a little ones done here and there, but I was like working in clubs I was dormant and that's when the clubs at LA were big time with lines down the block Working in all the hot hot clubs Which was good and bad, but um meeting different people and then still continuing to do some whatever a little theater It was in Los Angeles and then writing and Directing and producing little indie movies. I was type of guy. Oh, I'm not getting casted something

I'll write something pull myself in and make it myself That's how I was so I did a bunch of those type of movies Good for you man. You never stopped just keep going and you the thing I like about you is that you fucking your renaissance man You'll act for two weeks then write for two weeks Then go here for two weeks. You went to the Kentucky Derby Well, there's things like you they say about guys like me, uh, you know Jack of all trades master of none But I like doing lots of different to me

It's all one thing it's art and you know, like you see guys like us that people think oh They think they're actors, but it is a renaissance man in the sense of I I never wanted to pigeonhole myself and I liked lots of different things Uh, you know, I did some musical theater Sang I danced I just love the arts, I guess But when you say that and you're a big mug, they think you're a moron, but I you know, I Studied it read about it I like I like all kinds of literature film books

Um, and so, you know drama comedy a little bit of everything. So why can't you do everything? You know what I mean? If it's fun and you like doing it And you do it fairly okay. Why not when the movie hit the the theater and you saw the response What did you feel like? Uh, it was very one thing to act in something very emotional very emotional I think we all did it was kind of weird pete everyone would get choked up at the end of that movie You see people in the theater crying crying at the end of the film And and and hushed in other parts and laughing

And it's when you achieve that when those are the scenes you wanted them to laugh And those are the scenes you wanted them hushed and those are the scenes you wanted them to cry And it's working like that. You know, it's where I'm in the movie I played the mob guy that my father's character Vigo goes to see in the restaurant I forget I'm in the movie Because to me it was more about the the movie as a whole and how it affected people and the Chinese bartender shut up See that was another little uh touch that was actually my brother reminded me that And when I said oh, we're gonna do the scene in joe and joe because well remember dad would take us everywhere

It was always a Chinese bartender even in Italian restaurants in the Bronx I'm like, that's right. Every bartender was Chinese in the Italian restaurants for some reason. Well, they just were there So I told that to Peter Farrell and he goes home Chinese bartender it was and just the fact that the guy said to a A white guy they shut up. They didn't get ahead in the head with a bottle Shows you the power of the bartender. Yeah, and he's a guy from the Bronx Chinese or not Chinese Italian He's a Bronx guy. So he does not take in crap from anybody to me the highlight that hit home with me Was when he just broke it down from about, you know

He was from the Bronx his mother was from the Bronx as far as from the Bronx You know that uh, he knew who the fuck he was. That was the emotional highlight for me. That made me cry more than the ending because It's very important in this life to know who the fuck you are And to stop playing games yourself thinking that you're rich or whatever, you know Your dad in that film Tony lip his character He was kind of insulting when he didn't know who the fuck you. Why don't you know this fucking ban?

These are your people doc, right? You know, uh, and when you say these are your people in today's world that could be used as racist And I say that you know, this is fucking why don't you fucking know? You know, how don't you fuck it's like right now you put on Willy Cologne for me and you go Joey How don't you know this this is these guys are your people right? I wouldn't get offended to that but to me That was the part of the movie that hit home I wanted people that were watching it to understand where the fuck he was coming from right because people like you said They take it the world people now take that or the same thing with that fried chicken

masterpiece Controversial as I go to fucking Tennessee and that's the first place I go to the fried chicken place my father He goes Kentucky fried chicken in Kentucky. What's that? What's that gonna happen? And when he says that line to him what doc, this is you know your food the same type of thing about these music is you see People miss later on they go to they go to a plantation where he's playing

And they serve a fried chicken now. That's racist Because they said oh the black guy. We're giving fried chicken. Well, my father's saying it's a different whole different thing He's saying What do you mean? You don't never had this and whether he had it or not? I don't know but he said he'd never had it This food is great The collard greens. He says the collard greens is a mistake. The black chef's made it for me. I love it You say I like spaghetti and meatballs. I'm not insulted. It's food. I'll give you my food I like your food. There's cultures. It's all good. So he's not saying it in a hurtful

prejudice way He's just that's the way he was. He was like, well, this is life food He's he was a guy food eating drinking laughing talking smoking. He enjoyed life That's why he's not gonna sit in the car and not talk to the guy the guy didn't want us to talk He wanted to just sit in the back seat. Well, what are you talking about when we're fucking driving for fucking Across the country. We're not gonna talk. I don't open the window. We don't want to eat while I'm driving Blue blue is mine But my father said I'm here. You know, we're here together. Let's make the best of it. Let's have some fun

So that's how he was but That was part of To people today that don't know this or offended by it They need to see it because this is how it was. This is how people were that doesn't make everyone, you know To shouldn't be judged by one incident or one thing that they say There's people are complex, you know, I mean there's a lot going on and that's how my father was He was a complex guy, you know, I I read somewhere that One of the magazine called it one of the top buddy movies or something was a rolling stone. Yeah, I think so. Yes

We're talking about a movie Fucking 48 hours didn't get this much slack You know what I am right? He called him a watermelon He smacked him, you know, he abused him. Yes things to Eddie Murphy and at the end again They it was nothing We're peeling through the skin to get to the fucking banana. Yes That's what we're doing. He we're peeling through the skin just to get to the banana At the end of the day, you know, I'm solid and I know you're fucking solid

And that's it, you know, we've we've been on here for a little while And the racism part of this movie, which I didn't see it as at all Has come up. I didn't see it that way at all, Nick I didn't feel like when I watched Planet of the apes This last time when they got re-released. I'm the movie theater and at 55 it finally hit me whoever wrote this is fucking racist You know saying whoever wrote Planet of the apes if you watched the early ones from 1969 You're like they had to be a little fucking racism mixed with marijuana in there. Well, I think that was on purpose I think that they were trying to show

Show that the racism in a real world The people the differences won't really work all the same. My whole thing is we're all the same I don't think of race many I remember the first time I heard it when they gave all on brand or some Job interview and said, you know, put down race. He put down human That's what it is human race. We're all the same. We're all the same in the eyes of god as far as I'm concerned Culturally there's differences as cultures, but that's you know, whatever But I don't think with anyone is different. So

As much as I've got accused of otherwise so But in history and in time these things went on we need to show it. I mean this movie handled race in a certain way Again, it's a little slice of life movie about two people Spike Lee had black clansmen that handled race in a different way. There's lots of stories about race They all should be told some are more serious some could do it with some humor But it's still serious. I think You know as much as the movie's funny green book and there's a lot that comes from human beings are funny, right and people Uh, I think there were some horrific scenes in there showing how the racism that he had to deal with during that time

And my father saw happening and going holy shit. I wouldn't take this shit And realizing well, but this guy's taken it for a reason He saw how horrible it was when he was seeing it with his own eyes And that's what changed him Your dad and your dad punched him back one second That was also shows the other side of the view that was a beautiful scene Right that should have and was included in there that makes the movie complete True story to show you what was really going on

On both sides of the fucking thing. Did he really call Bobby Kennedy? Absolutely. No shit. Absolutely Yeah, where's the where's the the academy award now? I got laying under my bed I got two of them because I won best screenplay and I produced it so best picture. I got I got one also So it's Italian from the Bronx, New Jersey got two academy awards. Who in the fucking thought that's it's insane My least favorite part of school was when they were handing back a test and I my my my last name was sciat So I would always get the test back last What was it like when like you see that the like your uh

Categories are coming up and you're waiting for them to announce it like are you like Sweating bullets or you just you don't care or like what like what is that like when you're waiting to well? I'll be honest with you because of all the crap I went through with this Tweet and all the controversy on that and everything else I really didn't enjoy the academy awards. I don't want to be there I I Say it now. I'm glad I went and I'm glad of what happened I was on edge the whole time. I always almost like what if I get boo if I win?

What if I get boo off the stage? I got to know how people felt So it was a weird it was a weird vibe for me It wasn't how you know, you dreamed about it. So because of all that stuff. So it took a lot of it, but when It came up and the first one was screenplay and For for me and it was rehearsal. I had one for best supporting actor. I was so proud of that but one at one I thought of my father and my parents and family and people go mom and dad are gone now

Yeah, and like, you know and what not like all I thought of what I went through my whole life But how people supported me And aunts and uncles and family and friends that always said keep going keep going keep going so then I felt good you know And then it's one best picture I I kind of didn't Listen, we're there we're nominated you want to win you think you can win I thought well, you know, it's the best picture in my heart no matter what happens

But that was the one that really Shocked me. I was like shocked me in a good way and I was like wow this is I mean, I want two Academy Awards It's crazy in this business at least that's the pinnacle that you're gonna get to I think there's lots more important things in life But if you're in this business that those things are held in such high regard. It's it's that doesn't get any better It's like a two Golden Globes two Academy Awards, and we won some other things along the way Quite a ride quite an experience. I mean I gotta thank my father for it's my father's story It's my father's still helping me from uh from upstairs, you know, I mean well, you know

I always say something really weird and I thought about this with you when I found out you wrote it blah blah blah We sit here for years as writers or whatever the fuck And I see it all the time people write about shit They're not really connected to you know Ah, I always like sharks and you write a movie by sharks and we end up doing that piece of shit movie About sharks in New Jersey attacking people But sometimes the best story Is the simplest one

Is the one that we could tell with our eyes closed, but meanwhile we're sitting there trying to write The next big Academy Award winner. I think You learn something because I feel the same way. Yeah, you know, I sold the tv show last year I love the writers, but what they wrote Wasn't my life They took it and did what they wanted when you do your stand-up You're doing what comes out of you, right? Right? And I think most stand-ups and you tell me if I'm wrong The ones I mean if you go back Lenny Bruce and prior and carlin and all the way up the dice and

manaskalco you Are guys that are talking about what they know their family their friends their life experience So I think it's the same Thing what you're talking about this this movie was something I knew it came from my heart my family but Comedy same thing. I mean these guys have a good joke writers and there's there's room for that too, but the guys that really Resonate are the ones that are coming from their own inside and their heart good or bad They're they're giving it to you, you know, and I think that's

That's that makes for the best type of material. I'm happy that You're happy that you put out. I mean last year's best fucking work, you know I'm happy that you saw this simplicity for years. You wrote about satellites and Martian Fucking guerrillas getting beat up but the story that Shine the most was the one under your nose. I am trying to say. Yeah, exactly. You're right How long did you mean from 91 was when you first fucking tape recorded dr. Shirley? Yeah, that's yeah all that How long did you hold on to those cassettes? Did you Oh, I still have but did you I had Pete Farley heard them

Brian Currier start writing this already in 92 I had over the years. I yes. I had lots of notes. I wrote treatments. I wrote I wrote Sort of breakdowns the beginning middle ends So I had a lot of material so when I when I Told Brian about it. He told Pete I had a lot to start you were telling your dad you were definitely gonna do this before he passed you was

Oh, he knew for my whole life, but he knew Couldn't do it till after dr. Shirley passed away So that's why I never did it. I got approached a couple times to do it And I even got set to change the names change the names the story So unbelievable change the names But I didn't want to do that to him and I and a couple times I was broken. I couldn't make a lot of money It was with the president one time a Brandon Tartikov president of paramount. I'm in his office So I'll do this right now. Let's do it

Who doesn't want to be with the head of paramount and I was like working at nightclubs But I said then I promised the guy I promised the guy I wouldn't do it till after he passed so I didn't want to do that You know and you promised dr. Shirley you would not do it till he he got he went on to get married and stuff, correct? No, no, he stayed no No, I think he was married like in the 40s or 50s before the move like he was telling them that he was married for two years The music and whatever they fit so but then no, no, then he never got married What did I know? Why didn't he want the story done till he was dead?

uh He didn't tell me It could have been because of the uh, the gay thing And I respect that because he was still from an era that You know, he never I don't think he ever came out publicly about that And if that's what if that was the reason Whatever the reason was but that that's what I just respect to what he asked me

So nick you went from long island shark attack in the jersey to to uh oscar and uh Uh golden globe. What advice do you have for young writers? Who do you have any like well? Did you take a writing course? Did you read a writing book or You just looked at other scripts and I looked at other scripts. I read books on writing. I've read, you know The famous one william goldman's book uh Adventures of the screen trade. I read later on

Uh, uh, steven king's book on writing great book But that was like later when I first started when I first wanted to write a script There was a book of screenwriting format I just looked that was a typewriter I just looked at okay. You put dialogue here. You put this here and um Then I started looking at scripts. I mean, I just said, okay. This is how they do it interior means inside exterior means outside

And it sounds stupid and simple, but you don't know And luckily my father was doing some movies. So he'd bring scripts home from me. He said read this. Look at this, you know So uh, he helped me and encouraged me in that way. So I uh I'm just kind of in me always to do it, but I would say to anyone doing it Don't give up if anything, you know, I've been doing this a long time banging around forever and You know, I hit this point now. So maybe all downhill from here. Who knows No, it doesn't matter right, you know, like it doesn't really matter

You made your point. Maybe it wasn't in the way you want it. Maybe you wanted to fuck angelina jolly in a movie Maybe put it in like that, but you you came a long way. You're a kid from jersey in the Bronx I grew up on Everything from jailhouse rock Yeah to fucking the exorcist and you got your shot and it came through and You wrote something that was deep in your heart. You kept to form You didn't break no promises and you didn't sell your soul along the way to make a script

Well, why don't you make his wife black and play the bongos because As you knew when you were writing this you run into a bunch of geniuses Yeah, and they try to tell you it's so weird. I think it was donnell rawlings I saw him on a radio interview on twitter. He was saying, you know When you get here As a comic they tell you what to say your agents come up to you and say you got to Go up there and do material on the sitcom and comics get fucked up. They get fucked up They want to go up there and sell the tv shows now

They're talking about their grandmother and how and you're like last week You were talking about sucking some chicks fucking tazoo And now you're talking about your grandma and your fucking three-year-old kid And then they go away and they realize they should have stuck to their guns. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, and I think the same thing happens, right? I think the thing happened with you where you had this all your life You put it out there and now it's a fucking thing and your dad looks great, you know, you're down ended up looking beautiful I'm very proud of it. I can't be happy. I mean make family proud people see it. Love it I got to work with great people. I mean peter ferro Lee

Vigil Mortensen rehearsal Lee linda cartolini sebastian Everybody really involved in it cared about it. Everyone knew this is johnny roast beef johnny roast beef Great scene. Where'd you bump into him down at the fucking meatball place? Well, I know him forever and a good friend of my father's and I he was in reo's I brought peter ferro Lee into reos to see him, you know And once pete goes we gotta put him in the movie. I got a guy eating the hot dogs. He was of course perfect Perfect guy for that So it was nice, you know, I had some other friends and family my brothers in the movie

My uncles are in the movie the grandfathers are both my real uncles playing their own fathers In the movie my brother plays vigils brother so It was a pete was very generous in that way that he he I I he let me be creative with him and collaborate with him He ended up picking everybody and doing everything but he let me bring a lot to the movie So it was great in that way and you know what best picture I got on stage julia robert Handed me my oscar and gave me a kiss

Who's better than that? nobody One last thing about your dad your dad is He's like in four of my favorite movies I did not know he was in 29th street Oh, yeah, I did not remember now. I remember exactly who he was he gets shot in the beginning of the year the dragon Yes, I got the good shit. He has a cigar. Yes. Yes. Yes. Chinese kid. Fuck you and your cousin You know my fucking cousin is exactly fuck you and your fucking cousin

a Little skinny fucking chinese guy delivering spare ribs And then uh, that was an interesting movie a lot of people don't know about that. Yeah, that was an interesting Underrated movie, you know written by uh by oliver stone and directed by michael chimino A very underrated nobody talks about that movie anymore not at all 29th street one of my all-time change gallo the best one of my all-time friend Now who's your dad in that louis the lung? Yeah, louis bad lungs or something. He had a big sequence. I think well most of we got cut out

But he's in there they show him and he told all the walnuts viny kerto. Yeah a lot of guys Anthony vampoglia, right? Anthony vampoglia The other kid that played his cousin was in the sopranos at the end. Yes. He played one of the hitmen in season seven He went after Sylvia, I never saw that guy again. His cousin was connected. Yes In 29th street. He would always go to people. Yes in 29th. It was frank pesh's true story. Frank pesh's true story Yeah, he's still bumping to frank. I still see him. I just saw him about six months ago in gay mug somewhere

What a fuck was it? He remembered me. We did so he did it. He pulled it off frank pesh. Uh, you know That was a great movie. He loved that movie chas pulled it off chas made a movie but it was very chas was great to me chump voluntary throughout this whole thing because He was the only guy could really talk about it was going through this on this level of a movie that he did it You know with his story too So, uh, he was great to talk to and he read the script and uh, actually george gallo made 29th street in chas with The only two guys that gave the script to say what do you guys think? You know, I loved it Man, I'm really happy for you. It was really good reconnecting with you. Thank you

I hope we didn't bore your audience. This wasn't a laugh filled No, no, no, no, you have to see a soft side of you that they don't normally get to see I said, what did he run out of italian's interviews? I want nobody left in hollywood I think that you're very interesting. I think your story was fucking sensational Uh, you're like the first academy award when I've ever had this mother fucking office something And I thought I give you a lot of respect like I like what you uh did I respect how much you love your dad. My dad died when I was three. I wish you know, there's a lot of things about this movie That connected with me in a lot of different ways my first

friend when I came from cuba was a black kid on 25th street and I didn't know anything about color. I still remember walking miles to go by james brown Hot pants in 1969. We were kids, you know walking and i'm fucking broadway in new york And I didn't know I was supposed to be racist Do you know what I'm saying? Like I didn't know I didn't get that fucking memo as a cuban That I wasn't supposed to like some fucking black kid. I found out over the years and I'm like, why wouldn't I like this guy? so

The movie just hit with me and uh, I think you're a sweet out of a fucking guy and I wish you all the luck in the world You know You ain't got no more mom movies. I have no reason to have you here Thank you for this spectacular job. Well, you never know. You never know what I'm gonna do So I'm happy you took time To come on. I appreciate you having me. Everyone's telling me I was saying I was doing the show though. You are shows great. That's great. We're gonna have a great time And I tell you that I wanted to see

You know people never we never get to talk to academy ward winning writers or whatever So I want people to know that uh, you're a guy from the you know, this podcast is about letting motherfuckers know They can do anything. Yeah, don't let them hold you back and you're a guy that you could have said I'm from jersey little fucks gonna look at me. I'm from the bronc. You're here, brother. So Thank you. I appreciate a long journey. Do not forget I will be at the ice house june 1st And then at the fillmore in new all-ins on the 7th And then at the tabernacle theater in atlanta on the 8th

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