Uncle Joey's Joint with Joey Diaz - #711 - Mick Mahan

Episode Date: August 19, 2019

Mick Mahan, a bass player who has performed live and on albums with Pat Benatar, Prince, and Sheryl Crow among many others, joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt live in studio. Mick is also the owner of��Parma Pizzeria Napoletana, an authentic pizzeria in Thousand Oaks, CA. (A suburb of Los Angeles) This podcast is brought to you by: Upstart.com - The revolutionary new lending platform that knows you're more than just a credit score. Go to www.upstart.com/church to see how low your rate is. Checking your rate doesn't affect your credit score.  CBD Lion - For all of your CBD needs, from shatter to gummies, go to www.CBDLion.com and use code CHURCH for 20% off.     

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To all you old school DJs. Don't do it. Don't do it unless you got fucking been gay Make my hand the Christ killer Uncle Joey And you thought it was gonna be an easy fucking day what I It's Monday the 19th of August get your shit together make my hands in studio. How are you sir? What's going on man? What's going on home for a minute and get ready to go back up? How long? Okay, get a little closer here. Get a little closer to me Harvey Weinstein style

You know saying that's how Harvey. I can't I can't he and then he rub his fucking shoulder And you did and it was all downhill after that, you know, so that you're done. Yeah So here I go again for another three weeks So how long how long is this tour been going on this tour? Well, we did about six seven weeks just prior to this and then I've been home for about ten days And it will go back out for another three come home for three go back out for another 21 days or something like that It's a little bit more this year because the 40th anniversary It's a 40th anniversary of the release of hit me with the best shot really such crimes of passion for years

Crimes of passion and we're talking about Jesus fucking Christ, can you believe it? Well, he did the night was before that right here tonight was before that so my clone sleeps alone That's a good album a little bit of a different type of darker album. Yeah, I heard she had problems putting that album out like somebody There's that I still remember Pat Benetah on the fucking real catch a rising star. You do Stand up kindly special with her. I still remember Pat Benetah when HBO did the special live from earth on HBO It was like a special and then the biggest blunder I had was Pat was gonna marry Neil That's right and MTV to the contest you go to Hawaii and

Go to the contest if you sent in postcards So our plan was to go to the wedding and fucking tell Neil he can't do it like you got to take a hike meal Get out of the way you're gonna have a problem get the fuck out of here flight I'm not kidding. I worked for a bookie at the time Sorry, and I got off work 118th Street, and I would go to a stationary store And I actually every day for three weeks. I filled out cards And I would put a hundred of them in the mail from different mailboxes Because first prize was a trip to Hawaii

Second prize was tropical tropical tropical like a hundred copies autographed And the third prize like you got a t-shirt or some shit Don't know something they announced some fucking Some fucking mukyak wanted in fucking Virginia And then I'm waiting for my album because I sent in a thousand postcards. No album. No t-shirt. You got nothing I got dick. Yeah, fuck it the fucking MTV But that's seriously they were gonna get married on MTV like that was how big MTV was in those days. Oh, yeah

First video ever played. Yeah, second video second video. He was the first guitar player Was he yeah first guitar player. So the first video was video steal the video stone I'm not sure what it was exactly, but it was the first video. What was the first video play on MTV? I think it's video kill the radio star. It was one of those type of jams. Is that right? Okay, and then Pat came up with either Hit me with your best shot or treat Yeah, the rascal song we were talking about last night. She had a red and money for nothing

It's the first one. Oh, that was the first band. Okay dire straits I'm 1987 you better run. No, no, no the first song played on MTV Came out 1981 September 15th of 1981 The first song ever played on MTV was Because you smell like 10 fucking who's and then I don't know where you're right video killed the radio. Oh, you think you're dealing with video. You know what you're talking about Radio star so what's the second song played on you better run back there you fucking go

And then there was also a video we played last week that wasn't so much because When MTV came out, it's not like they had a million videos. No, they had 15 videos eight of them were like Old like somebody had just done promotional and they were terrible the videos like the lead single beat popcorn And the music would be going off. Nothing was right. Nothing was synced So the only real videos you had was video killed the radio storm which wasn't a band It was like fishes and in my heart and in my soul And all that shit

Then it was path And then the other high rotating video was van halen If this is love live from oakland 1981 which we played last week And you could tell the strength of who the fuck van halen was Oh, yeah He comes out with a bottle of jack and he puts a fucking scarf on he goes What do you think of my old oakland scarf and they go on fucking crazy when you look at that you're like that's Gunter roses without steroids

They were just opening up the door for guns and roses without steroids a lot of those bands were so what made you get into this Fucking career. You just could have had a restaurant in ohio No, I wasn't even thinking about restaurants in the back door They didn't exist either. You know what i'm saying? I don't know what the hell got me into this It kind of picked me. How old were you when you started playing the bass? Well, I started I started playing bass when I was about 13, but I started on guitar about 10 11 You know, so I was I got in a band right away And uh, my band opened up for I got a chance to play with ramsey luis when I was a little kid

And I thought that was really cool and I was playing guitar And then nobody else wanted to play bass the bass player quit He said somebody's got to do it. You want to give it a try? So my buddy lent me a bass I was probably I don't know $50 bass or something like that that he got at wars And uh, I just fell in love with the instrument You know, I started listening to led zeppelin steppenwolf and all these bands were coming out And uh, I just fell in love with it

You know, it struck me When you were 18, what were you doing 18 at 18? I had just gotten out of college. I was 17 I went to kent state And I was still playing in bands all four years of four years of kent state And this is after the disaster at kent state a few years later. It was after yeah a couple years later Yeah, a little bit after now. Were you in a band when you went kent state? I was always in a band Okay, you always but this is all yeah, this is all I've ever done But my thing was on wednesday. I would leave kent state and I'd go play gigs

I'd go visit my friends in pittsburgh And then I would play gigs friday saturday sunday and then drive back up to kent state And then go to school for three days. Was there any money in those days? About the same damn money you're making at club now. Believe it or not Yeah, it's about the same. How fucking crazy. Yeah, how crazy is this business? You know 40 years later. Yeah, you know You get the best guys in la to come play for it's because they want to play musicians have to play you have to do comedy What made you make the jump here? Well, I knew if I was gonna stay in youngstown

You know, I was just gonna end up playing clubs the rest of my life probably Not that we didn't have great music. I love youngstown. Oh, it's a great. I love youngstown. I think it's yeah I think it's yeah, well, it's a great time. You can put a bed in anywhere. Yeah, you can play some better church You know the church your father come here. Yes, you can't let me get the browns $10. All right. The line's 13 Yeah, you're fucked up. Yeah, you can put a bed of youngstown is the gambling Capital of the fucking world. Yeah more action goes to youngstown, Ohio and anywhere else in the fucking country when you pull up to a nightclub There's 99 cars in the parking lot. There's two people sitting at the bar. Where do you think everybody is?

Yeah, they're in the back Everybody's doing it Youngstown's where the hall of fame is no that's in can't can't I'm sorry the rock and roll hall of fame is in clean Where's the football can't can't yeah, because apparently that area is where football started, you know I think if i'm correct the Detroit Lions were started in youngstown, Ohio Somebody told me that yeah, so that's why it's there And then you came out to Hawaii. Yeah, I got you know, I just wanted to lift it up I did the college thing. I followed my mother's advice and

Did you know what you major in? industrial arts psychology And just mildly in music, you know, I wasn't really educated in music at that point It was later on that you read music and everything I do now because when I came to LA I got my ass kicked Yeah, I got my ass handed to me. Well, you would get on a session and I was a pair of eyes. I couldn't read this stuff, you know Some days you have to read fly shit. Some days you don't have to read anything. It's whole notes, but

I just wasn't competent at that and then I really wanted to be a session guy Because that was very fashionable and I was getting more into jazz I actually became a jazz snob And that's all I wanted to play until My friends opened up for a foreigner and I went down there. What the fuck's the matter with me? You know, I don't want to play rock and roll. That's crazy. That's where I started So I dropped the jazz thing. I didn't drop it, but I lowered it down and got way back into rock Now when you picked up the jazz bass, did you have a stand-up bass?

No, that kind of came afterwards too, you know, I really concentrated on the electric bass and that was kind of my thing But then I realized if I wanted to get more work, I better get into the upright So I kind of took that up and study with some people now for guys like me Let's say you went on the road with led zeppelin Would that be any situation for you to put on a big stand-up bass? Would it make a difference? Yeah, in the sound in which way. Yeah, it would definitely make a difference. Would days and confused be different today Oh my god the bass days and confused would be amazing on upright bass. Why? Well, just just the nature of the bass. It has a different voice, you know electric bass has a very

Excuse me It has a very focused kind of sound where the the upright bass is more of a bigger rounder sound Uh, a little bit warmer tone. Any kind of fretless instrument is going to speak differently than a fretted instrument How would a standing bass doing an arena though? Well, you know, I mean you might get yeah, you like it. Yeah, uh-huh You might get just like anything else and it translates if you got a great mixer You can mix anything, you know I would love to see something like that some guy bring on like the bass out and fucking oh, they do it all the time They do it routinely, uh, if you see rod steward, you know, if you see barry mantel

Oh, if you see any of these guys that it's kind of like a normal thing to have happen Who your rock influences my my biggest influence would definitely be john paul jones Seriously, john paul jones and james jamerson at the same time Because when I grew up, that's the kind of stuff that you could you know, you had that vast uh Areated to deal from you know to pick from Because those were the songs that were on the radio So you could be an r&b guy especially growing up in youngstown. It was all about soul music and you know

that culture Mixed in with this rock that started to get introduced into it, you know, and then a guy like john paul jones He is an r&b bass player in a rock performance I think what There's an r&b bass player having advantage over a rock bass player Uh funkier funkier funkier. Yeah a little bit more rhythmic probably Listen to ramble on okay a zeppelin. That's a total james jamerson bass line

That's amazing. Yeah, it's really funky. I listen to the brothers johnson always to go They were so I mean no one remembers the brothers johnson. I sure do louis johnson's badass Sticky fingers and lightning licks or something they call those two are they still around no louis bolton passed I'm not sure both are passed but louis one of them was at the comedy store one night years ago 15 years ago It was friends with the door guy and he came in and I was like I had your album and all that Because I transformed through the same thing. I grew up in a cuban house. Yeah, I saw a stand-up bass. Yeah And then I got into r&b I got into I was into the fanny all stars and all that stuff that

That latin salsa stuff like that. He's fantastic. Bobby valentine. Oh, yeah Is his name is he's interesting because he was really uh, I think he was a percussionist and then turned him into a bass player Something I don't know something weird. Yeah, and then I joined the band and They said pick up the bass I didn't know what the fuck I was doing So all we would do is cover be those songs. We basically cover to help The whole album this is not a stand-up bass at that point. No, this was the fucking thing and

We got we had to get rid of the singer because he was a dickhead And I still had the I still had the kid voice to michael jackson voice but yeah cracks So now I was a bass player. I got serious about and then I went to pastoral music Big time music store and you didn't see in new jersey. If you ever did the garden They send you to pastoral to get all your Licks and I saw greg allman there when I was a kid. Oh, yeah, we're all just hanging out. He was there with share That's how young I was. I was about eight. I was walking. I saw him. I was like Jesus Right. Yeah, and I took bass playing on like the third floor

But the band broke up So for a year, I took bass lessons pretty much reading music and stuff But then there was no band to pick me up. Like I knew different things, but it was like I didn't even know how to get into a band basketball came I think I ate somebody's pussy and the dream of being a bass player went down. That was it That was it. I didn't know you play I I couldn't tell you what I was doing. Like I it was like a year Yeah, we got fun with it. Yeah, I would go up there. The guy was a good guy Yeah, he let me play along to music and I'd bring like earth one and fire and

The early stuff that's the way of the world because I like oh verdine white is a bad ass funk. I like the brothers johnson. I like There was just so many There's something about the bass that you don't know It's good till you listen to it. Like, you know, that's very true There was something I was listening to the other day in the car. I'm like listen to that fucking bass line Yeah, I don't know if it's american band or oh grandfather american woman one of those two Probably american band boom boom boom boom boom boom. Oh, there you go. That's american woman Just tremendous shit. Yeah, the the ear doesn't really

Usually go to I usually go to the bass you go to the bass. I love the Lead guitarist when I go to the bass. Well lead guitar always Tends to take prominence, right? But do yourself a favor go listen to a beatles record from the other room And let the bass come through the wall where it takes out all that top end stuff and you're listening to the bass Listen to the voice of that and all the different bass lines and how melodic mccartney plays That's the best way to listen to the beatle record. Really? Oh, yeah, it's fantastic. Was mccartney that good of a bass player amazing His parts he's not a chops guy. He's not like stanley clarker joker pastorious, but

Uh the parts that he came up with are just beautiful. I like them more with the wings You like them with wings. Yeah, I like his bass more with the wings than I heard it with the beatles With the beatles. It was very generic his bass With wings. I think he picked it up a little bit. He had to play louder because his wife sang badly Do you remember there was that do you remember when they took away the music? Yeah And it was just horrible. They would try to throw thunder at her and they were breaking light bulb behind it Which is where it's her or yoko? That's a toss. Yeah, I was gonna say that's probably on par right no

I like her if you if you went to a common american today like a 50 year old that grew up between the wings And the beatles and you said listen you got one gun one bullet Which one you gonna go yoko or linda mccarty? I think 10 out of 10 would shoot yoko Everybody hated yoko. I've never met a yoko all no fan and I feel horrible They blame her for the beatles. They blame her for bad music. Yeah, they blame her for putting the malook on fucking John Lennon. She was walking behind them. Everybody knows if you're chinese, you gotta walk in front of them Don't walk behind me. You're fucking bad luck. You ever go to a blackjack table You're up 10,000 or something. You're losing look behind you. There's always a smiling chinese guy

Taking it's the year the dragon meanwhile You're going for your fucking lungs If she would have been walking behind them, maybe she would have got shot with fucking head. Isn't that the nature of the culture though? Everybody hates yoko over And the kid she's got he's second on the list Sean Short no not the one that the coke head that came out after he's remember the one came out from the lost diaries Oh, like once he died one came out that was his twin. Yeah, i'm sitting here by the river and he sounded like him

And then he started smoking norton coke and the tour got cancelled. Yeah, there's that one and there's the one that looks like Uh, uh white family adopted him like he's one of those chinese looking kids like a white family adopted them They gave him a nice haircut. You know the chinese guy is 16 candles kind of white. What was this? What was the chinese guy in 16 candles? What's his name hung and they will always hit the thong Every time they'd say his name That's a whole different deal man. Yeah, do you want to want to nape? Yeah, there you go Yeah, gary want to nape. What are you talking about? You're totally on it, man. You look up everything. He's the man

So we've had a few bass players on we've had a rudy We've had yeah sin sin come on and they've all said something similar to what you said that Like it's almost like music wasn't part of them Yeah, so like so with with joey like I played violin for a year and fourth grade. Don't tell them that no no Don't tell that to nobody. I know it's embarrassing But like do you do you think you can is music something you can teach to people? Or do you think it's just something that you're born with and you find? Yeah, you can teach it You actually can teach it uh

I like to go teach at grade schools and stuff like that. I teach these kids first second grade You know teach them scales, but can they be like pros like you could they like? Not everybody can do that. I think you have to have a certain aptitude every three fucking days There's a kid on online playing tool Yeah, there's a half black kid playing fucking something you I'll tell you what as a kid how I made money was I get conga drums

Yeah, I put them in my mom's bar and I play conga drums to spanish music And I learned how to play the conga drum and people go, you know the kids got in here Right and little did I find out my uncle is from glendale, you know my mother's brother And they he had a band he opened up the earth a kit But they opened up for the stones in 70s something that's crazy So he played the conga. It's in your blood man. Then my cousins in cuba now Have the national touring band. She just was at south by southwest. Yeah the nautical about her in time She's gonna she's about this. She's got a default whatever they fucking call it. Yeah

She's got to come over because she's about to bust the bank here But I I always have the attitude towards music one of the scariest things in my world is the guitar Also, I know if I pick up a guitar everything else will fall to the wayside In your life. Yes I love the guitar. You'll get consumed with it. I'll get overly consumed overly consumed Um, I have a very addictive personality. That's something that I've been wanting to do It's like being 13 and knowing you want to eat a chick's pussy You just got to find the chick to let you

I'm when you were 13. You're like, I can't wait to eat somebody's pussy Maybe the baby said that you start blotting you start looking like your aunt's friend and shit Like that's that's nothing is sacred. That's how nothing, you know, I've always wanted to Learn how to play like david gilmore. I buy the damn thing get it always. Oh, they have a starter kid at guitar center And gilmore is a good example Gilmore, I'm a gilmore guy jimmy page And then I got to throw neil haraldo in there. Yeah, you know, I've always loved neil his guitar solo in precious time His guitar. I think one of pat benetize best songs is I'm gonna follow you. Yeah

That's second hour. That's killer the other side the flip side They had a video of it walking the streets late at night His guitar work is sensational on so many things how about run between the raindrops. Oh my god. That's the best That's my favorite guitar solo that he plays he's he's done some work And I don't think people ever looked at neil like that. Oh, well, she's a chick band. What's neil? No neil could rip your phone cards out Neal could replace randy rhodes on sabbath without batting a fucking eye Learned all his stuff and done it neil had it in him at that time

That's why he was endearing just bad because he's yeah killer killer guitar player and his solos are part of the composition You know, they're not just different every night. They're part of the song when you hear jesse's girl, you know immediately. It's him You know, and it sounds like neil gerardo all the time You know what's one song that lee hates Every once in a while spikum would ask him to something And I put on hell is for children and his guitar work Yeah, and hell is for children is second to none like the whole Down down down down down how he underlines everything

It's just fucking brilliant. Now. How long you out here now like kicking it before something happens before we leave No before something happened in your life. Oh, oh you went to the institute of music or something Yeah, I went to dick rose finally. Um, I came out here in 77 and oddly enough I left youngstown the same time that myron grumbacher did because he and I were playing an abandoned pitsburg Get the fuck out of here. I grew up with myron. I had a friend called. I don't every time he'd do ass He looked like myron grumbacher So we started jumping around on the drums with myron. He would lose it. I'm not fucking myron You want to be myron? He was myron still around. Yeah, he's still around. Is he's touring? No, he's not playing right now

I mean, he might be doing stuff in town here, but he's not he hasn't played with us We had the uh anniversary 30th anniversary tour and he played with us. Okay, but he decided to take a break from the road And uh, yeah, but he and I were you know, grew up in youngstown. We left the same time he went to new york I said, I'm not going there. It's cold weather. I want to go out to la We're making a bunch of records out there. I'm going to join I don't know the eagles led zeppelin whoever the hell I could fall in with, you know Had all these high aspirations

So I came out here and I kicked around for a long time And then I started going uh hanging out at dick gross school of music And started playing in the faculty fusion band So dick became my friend. He says, you know, let me give you an education here Come in, you know and learn so I did And that was composition and arranging because I I had a certain amount of facility on the base but then I got really serious about studying the base and Practice in 12 hours a day and stuff like that. I started getting better gigs

What was like your first big gig my first big gig? Well the first time I went Out for on the road for a little while it was with lisa hartman No, shit lisa hartman. It was a great band, you know, uh carmen grillo was in it jack white was bland drums Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, phil shinnell was in it. Uh Sterling smith was in it. Yeah, it was a really good band, you know, how old are you now? I'm not telling you not now at this time. Oh, okay jack fucking white, you know, like i'm 13 now But uh, let's see. I don't know. I guess it was about 23

Oh, yeah, like how do you act? Well, we just took it for granted, you know, I mean He wasn't doing anything yet either, you know, we were just like up and coming. Oh, okay I thought he was jack wider. No. Oh, this is not the jack white the artist jack. This is the drummer jack. Okay. Okay Same name, but different drummer And so all of us were just coming up and you know, we're just starting to get gigs and get better ones and stuff like that You just keep working your way up the ladder and stay dedicated. You're not going to get it unless you just Friggin focus on it, man. What year is this? This is uh 78 and where are you hanging at night in those days? Oh, there was many places to hang there was josephine is

Anybody could walk in there algero used to walk in. Oh my god. It was crazy stuff. Uh Uh, there was remember the sold out. Well, you were not here then the sold out was like a soul club down on sunset Had great music Of course the troubadour, you know, tom waits used to hang out there all the time You know when I first got here It was crazy about 1978 79 I got in this fusion band called the voodoo band And we played at the troubadour and it was like high energy fusion stuff

And we were the first band to actually have a spotlight there Except for elton john You know, this this was music that used to keep me up at night because it was taxing shit I never played a samba in my life. I'm from youngstown, Ohio. What do I know about a samba? But I had to learn all this high energy stuff and that's what kind of fueled me into You know becoming educated and branching out and spreading my wings a little bit Some people have a certain aptitude this young man. I mean from the day he came out of the womb He would sit down and play the drums

It would play with sticks On a briefcase with the cartoons that he was watching So he's about not even two years old and he's starting a drum. So I just knew he was a natural born drummer Is he drumming tonight? That's a fantastic drummer I'm proud to say it If he sucked I would say that too, but he's the correct drummer, you know At time on the rogan podcast one day we're talking about music and talking about all these drummers and they go fuck He's all yeah, there's a guy named terry basio that'll eat all that fucking lunch

And people like who and that night I got home and the guy some hit kid hit me up because like that's my fucking father Oh, yeah, so we put him on the podcast and we just talked Terry's kid That was when we did the ass and he went to outer space Yeah, if you ever type up lee in outer space, you'll see basio playing the drums over here. Oh, he's so funny. I love those You know, uh, I love all that shit. Yeah, right like What I miss the most when people know what you miss new york, I miss the pizza I miss the bagels. No, I don't make the fucking pizza the bagels I miss the

yes I missed the garden and I missed the naso coliseum and I missed the meadowlands, which was 20 minutes from my house That's not what I miss. I miss when Mick calls me and says hey, do you do anything tonight? There's a little dive bar called the mentor over on 78th on 3rd Avenue Pat's gonna be down there tonight with Mick. I think slash is going down there. Yeah, and you catch these impromptu Little $15 And you'd sit there like I remember being at the village gate. Yeah 20 years ago doing stand-up

And as I was walking up, I reclapped and was walking in and I'm like That's the shit. What are you 1993? I'm like, what are you doing here? Yeah, he goes nice to meet you too. They shook his hand and I saw him. How cool was that? My god, and then I was going to an audition one day and he was at the light On uh, hollywood. Yeah, no Santa Monica and like vine I was walking across the street to an auditionist and I saw him He was ever clapped and I go knock and he's like not right now

He looked at me and I go village gate 1993 and he goes, how you doing? You got his attention then he remembered Yeah, remember, you know, you that's what I like. Yeah, forget about anybody could go see a fucking show Right. I want when Mick called me goes this. I'm gonna go with some guys Come over it's a $10 cover. I know the bartender and you go there and all of a sudden Charlie watts were coming And be playing the piano or Stanley Clark were coming and join you. Right. That's what I miss. I missed that type That's hard to find man. That's not anymore. That's once in a lifetime I was standing in uh, I just got done playing a gig with the fifth dimension and I was in Memphis and I went to bb king What year was this? Oh, this had to be probably

89 something like now this is the fifth dimension up up in the way Up in a way great song my beautiful. It was a fun gig So how do you go from playing that to better thought but we'll get to that later It's it's you're playing the same notes you you want to do You want to play for this song? Okay, jim web songs are probably some of the best songs you'll ever play in your life Bert back rack songs every time I played one less bell. I would get the chill. She's coming in right now She's coming in next week. Is that right? Uh

Her her is violinist the violinist. Okay. She oh, she was right around the corner here And she's on tour with burnt or the other guy. It's either burnt or Paul Anka. Oh, Paul Anka. She's either working all the time. Yeah, she's with anchor. These guys are either or I see her tweets and I'm like, uh You know, she's out at fucking beaters with Paul Anka and fucking, you know So I guess he opens up for both of them. Yeah, he goes from back back rack And you know Paul Anka, who didn't he write a song for oh jesus? Who didn't he tell cut your hair? You'll do a lot better. He had a thousand stories like that

He told what's his name to cut his hand next day the guy became out and drown or something like yeah, those guys Oh, yeah, it was definitely a heavy influence. Yeah, he's a heavy influence Yeah, oh, I was going to tell you the story about I'm standing there in the club and uh, who comes in with the stones bobby keys charlie watz uh woody And keith richards, they're all on stage

All of a sudden they're on stage jagger wasn't there, but they're just jamming on songs I mean to have that happen to you and out of nowhere It was just amazing and where was this this was at bb kings in Memphis. Okay. Yeah, right. I heard that they did all that crazy Right. They just walked in they were on stage in a minute I mean I was getting chills. It was just great And what were they playing? Oh, they were just jamming. Yeah, they were jamming no specific song or anything like that But you know it was four fifths of the stones, man And what year was that that was probably about I'm thinking

Early 90s late 80s. Well, they still recording down there in uh, alabama. They didn't do much work down there I don't know how much what's in that studio? Muscle shows. Muscle shows. Yeah, I think it was mobile. I think muscle shows was prior to that prior to that goes back a minute I think yeah, they came over. I think when because when early on before they had their work visas or something They used to have to just go to muscle shows or one of those they didn't have enough money to something buy the visas, right? Something crazy like this couldn't buy it that way you're kicking it around I'm kicking it around uh for a long time and you know just starting to get better gigs a little stuff like that and You know, then you start getting into the more touring sessiony kind of guy and

But at that time there was so much work. I mean there was casual work, you know what they call casuals You know what they are? They're just like gigs that you go do And put guys together you just show up and you all play songs because you know a bunch of songs And that's what they are But then I started getting more serious about it and really aiming for the session thing and You know trying to get on tours because as a sideman you could make great money at that point Not like it is today. It's you know, like everything is us the budgets have gone down. So you don't make the same kind of dough But uh, yeah, it was just an interesting time. There was so much music going on and you could just work your ass off, you know, I would do

60 gigs in december You know in a month just session work. It's just well session work live work, you know Yeah, so there was a lot of work back then and then I started getting more into the touring thing And then I got got the call to it was funny right after the earthquake Um, I was on my hands and knees and 94 and 94. Yeah, I'm on the kitchen floor Repairing my floor because it was damaged from the earthquake and the phone rings and it's Neil Geraldo And I was back in the days of call waiting So I get a call says excuse me one second. Can you hold on and I got a call to go out with jethro toll

At the same time, you know, so I go from no work to two really good offers And uh, my wife at the time was pregnant with this young man I thought well, you know, the family thing is probably a better situation for me and The ohio connection because my ring was still in the band Neil's from Parham, Ohio And I said, you know, that that looks really attractive to me So, uh, went out and did the audition like I think three times and

Then it comes time to meet patty and she walks in she goes, let me see your socks So I show her my white socks. She goes you're from Ohio. You're in the band That was my audition. What was your connection to jethro toll at that time? How did you get a don't parry don't parry It was the drummer at the time and you were friends. I was friends And that's the advantages of just doing session work. Yeah, just getting tied in with people How did you have met neil before that? I only met neil one time there was what was the club in the valley that Oh pelicans retreat used to have great music out there. So that was quite a musicians hang in calabasas So I met neil because you know my rents association with me and stuff

So I had met him before but uh, they really wanted a girl because they wanted a real high vocal and stuff and they ended up with me What happened the roger caps he's around What's he doing? He's playing bass and bands Yeah, he just keeps in touch with me a pad or whatever Well, I think they just had sort of a changing in the guard because they had you know A few bass players after that some new york session He kind of guys, you know came into the band for a while for nando saunders and he was lou reed's guy And uh, you know, so they had some different players for a while and then when they wanted to come back

I guess I kind of got in the mix And that's how I ended up being there. That's 25 years ago. How many albums have you done for it? Probably about six. No shit. Yeah What a job to get. Yeah. Yeah, especially in this day and age where It's not a lot of music is coming out mainstream. Yes All these older bands are just raking it up. You know, you've got to be an alleged act Yeah, if you want to work seven nights, it's out there. They have the style jacks bands and You know a couple years ago. I hosted at the Hollywood Bowl for like

Groovers in the heart. I don't even know who the fuck it was. It was like four disco bands to some shit Yeah, this had to be 15 years ago And I was like, wow, look at all these people. Yeah, I thought it was oh Broke it shoot my broken arrow through my heart. Okay, whatever they were fucking called. It was like them The chick who sang if I can't sang you if I can't have you I don't want nobody. Oh, yeah What's her name? Jesus the gogos the gogos. Yes the gogos And I went down there with a little cute chick from the gogos this day and I walked up with her and I remember going Who the fuck something comes to the gogos. Yeah, it was packed. It's unbelievable

It was packed. We've toured with them and I had a kid here and kid in play was telling me that He goes on those soul things. It's three songs a piece. Yeah MSWV. They only had three songs anyway, right? That's all you need. I just did that in january. What'd you do? Oh, geez, who do we do? Uh Blue magic Uh, the shy lights. I saw you had the shy lights on your resume. I saw you had Keith emerson on your resume Oh, yeah, I did quite a bit with Keith. That was a lot of fun doing these days. Keith passed away Did he really pass? He's been gone. You know what kills me about emerson lake and pommel That I don't judge a man by his money. I don't judge a man by what he drives. I don't judge a man if he beats his woman

I don't give a fuck I looked through your record collection And when I was a kid, if you didn't have brain salad surgery You gave the copper corp or whatever back to the mother. Yeah, thank you mom for giving me that And you told him to go for you. You had to have led zeppelin to you got you had to have there was certain alms aqua lung. Yeah double live gonzo. Like you had to have the beetles Not not everything before fucking they they didn't smoke dope when they were walking around like The the 12 commandments. I don't want those beetles. I want the ones after they met the hindu

Tomorrow never comes tomorrow never knows and all that You know, like that was I don't even know what I was talking about the deeper shit the deepest shit. That's that's what I really Yeah, that's what you go for. That's what I really fucking go for. There's a lot of great stuff out there I mean my first concert was james brown How good was he? Oh, I saw him stupid good I'm there with my white girlfriend And we're the only two white people in the audience But it was my first concert my mom had to drive us there. I was so young

but from that Segueing into all this great rock music and we had so many great rock bands and in ohio. I mean, you know that the human beings and A lot of great bands local talent glass harp and stuff like Chrissy. Hi. Yeah, she's from alliance. Yeah Yeah, I saw her uh She did like four shows in new york You know in the 80s. She just didn't go to new york. You went to the garden. You were there. Yeah So you did two at the garden one at the metal lands one at the coliseum and then in the summertime they had that beach place Jones beach Jones beach every time you play there. Yeah, it rains. It always rains. She broke her leg. She did

She broke her leg on saturday They canceled the show on august 4th, which was like a monday And tuesday they rescheduled the show that bitch came out with crutches and did it took the crutches threw them into the audience And so let's fucking do this People killed themselves like they had never seen that That's uh, that was 84 that was uh Oh, yeah, yeah, everybody's perfect Not even the perfect stranger all that shit fucking tremendous

I was at that show the drummer was I had seen them earlier in a smaller joint And he would do shit with his drumsticks He would point at you and hit the drum the stick would come to you you catch it out of the air and shit There's some crazy You know, it's it's changed so much over here. It's changed crazy, man But after I started talking to you I started watching her performances and you You know from this last tour, there's a couple people did you know, Puerto Rican cassettes It's not like fucking a normal camera guys

Like some chubby chick eating the count you hear eating the corn and fucking yeah back to chomp I love this song. You better run Pieces of corn flying out of her mouth What was the last album you put out with pat? I think our last record. Well, we've done a couple live ones So it's not all been studio stuff, but the last one that we did Summer vacation was I forget what year it was and we did go that was around 2001 And we've had some releases, you know, like access video releases and things like that

But we haven't really done a proper studio record for a long time You know, how do you feel? How do I feel about the benetire situation about your life about my life? Man, I'm blessed. Are you kid? I got two great kids, uh, you know, I get to play music for a living I've kind of segwayed Not out of music into pizza, but pizza gives me a lot of satisfaction You know, it's it's a fun factor that doesn't exist in a lot of a lot of places You know, it's pretty

Pizza people are fun, man. They like to have parties. They like to rock. They're like rock stars This guy that I study with tony gemignani I call him the Jimi Hendrix of pizza I used to call him Mick Jagger, but that's a little old for him because he's a young guy But uh, the guy is just like non-stop and he's the best pizza all in the world if you like his style of pizzas, you know So he's done a lot for me You know, it's I feel blessed to be able to have these two careers to bounce around back and forth Of course, it drives you. No, that's because you're busy all the time

You're always taken up and consumed with something and my kids are getting older now So I don't have to do as much child rearing as I once did but Yeah, I'm blessed man, and I'm still alive Is that shot? You know, you were before the show we were talking about Lee was saying about will and stuff like that for people to understand When you had 50 you get hit with a dose harder reality the first yes, you do Like after they you blot the candles happy birthday. Yeah, you're 50 and it's fun You know you start going. You know what I'm on the other side. Yeah

I'm a lot more behind you than you do in front of you. I have a lot behind me And life becomes a little different you look at it through A one-eyed telescope now, you know What I'm my big pet peeves in life is my time I can't believe how I've changed my time the last 15 years Even before mercy, I think once I stopped doing the drugs My time really became valuable to me something that I had no concept of when I was 21 because when you're 21 I know the time in the world, but you know what you really fucking don't

You really fucking don't know it's a surprise. It's a fucking surprise You're like, you know what I ain't gonna go down there. I'll wear out a beer bacon next year And next year doesn't come you get into a fall and now you gotta fucking hump For a leg and now you can't be a bacon. I gotta be a fucking singing operas, you know, it's just You appreciate time, you know when people call you up and they go, hi I'm not having a party for my 40th birthday in Santa Monica Well, you're gonna spend it by yourself, bitch Because I ain't got an hour to drive down an hour to back with your creepy little fucking friends to sit around with hats

And wish you you know, you you're gonna throw yourself a birthday party get the fuck out of here Check please. I gotta go. So I gotta go you look at your time and you We begin, you know, you said it yourself I mean, you know, you tell your son the pizza parlor when you're cack Because it becomes a reality. You know, uh, I love to give my wife a stab in the morning I can't no more because the highest time I got a heart attack is between 5 30 in the morning and lunchtime I stick to those statistics. Is that right the high after you turn 50. Yeah The most vulnerable you are to a heart attack

Is between 5 3 in the morning and lunchtime That's why I don't go jumping up and down an 8 when people call you up. Help me with this bureau. Go fuck yourself I'll see you at 12 15 Let's get out of the earthquake zone then I'm out Come help me lift it go lift it yourself call the fuck go to go to home depot There's two guys there for a small 50 and a fucking and a pizza from parma to help you out uh But it's so weird how you start looking at those things and yeah, I go box

And I go lift weights at 10 the heavy fucking weights But you start looking at those things you You know when my mother died it was a party my mother died We have a half a million dollar account waiting for you When my mother died nothing there was nothing there was no will Which meant my father got the money and he was my stepfather. He got everything So I learned about life the hard way. Yeah, I got none. He threw me out of the house. That was it No, so should because she didn't work under her real name

She worked under an alias. She would have drove trump crazy I think everything drives you don't worry about it You know, you have to start thinking about your kids you have to and You have to leave them a certain knowledge not to fall apart. That's why you bring it up Because hey dog, it's like this you can just get off the phone What are you doing? Nothing. I'm over here. I just had a fucking the the sausage is giving me heartburn Yeah, you gotta take a shit and I'll call you next thing, you know, there's an ambulance at your dad's house got to bed The sausage was a little heart attack because that happened to my buddy. My mind was on when he called

When I went to call him back his wife his son answered said he died He must have called you five minutes before he had a heart attack in the bathroom You don't take nobody for granted when you look at your kids When my story when I think of my story I that's why I write something like sons of anarchy. I write something from my daughter every day in that notebook So if something happens to me before you tell her that I took your bass and sold it for two eight balls She's gonna read about it first She's gonna know for next time you see he's fucking mick

And he tells you about that I stole his two bass guitars and sold them for an eight ball Tommy's line. I got a half ounce of coke in front of the eight ball You know, no, but I'm just saying that we speak like this We really so guys like you and I are fucking super fortunate To even be walking around. How many musicians do you know? Oh that are gone that you went never mind gone That did one too many hits of coke One too many drumsticks to the head. Yeah, and now they're walking around like steven adler. Oh, yeah

There's a lot there's a tradition rate is high. There's a lot more of those guys Then what there is guys like your father 50s successful I mean, he's not led zeppelin with a fucking playing game I don't have that kind of a shark. I'm some chick's pussy But you're working. Yeah led zeppelin stuck a shark. I'm some chick's pussy. Is that right? A little baby shark a little baby shark. Oh right now Which is probably a dildo right now as it stands

Two of the guys from led zeppelin would have been thrown in jail today. Oh, there's a rumor that That it's well known jimmy page traveled with a 16 year old on the road for years for years 16. Yeah, and Somebody I think bono bon bonzo gonzo bon drummer had another Issue also he liked the little fucking girls that were young That was looked over when you were in fact if you read keith writ, that's why it's so weird that you guys did live albums Because if you read keith richard's book one chapter is divided to what happened to the live album and show We know in the 70s everybody had a live album started with uh peter frampton. Sure then lizzie Live in yucatan. What's the what was that cheap trick live in budakon? Oh, Jesus?

Yeah, man, everybody wanted to go to fucking japan judas priest at least in the east Everybody was releasing these live albums and all of a sudden you see ryan releasing a live album Good luck. You see fucking britney spears releasing a live album Because you gotta do it you can't fix it. They said they forgot That the industry got so technical that they forgot how to How to wire a drum? That's why I asked you about the bass. Yeah, are there still people that you know bring out a big bass? Yeah, you can do that Well technology is is your friend as well. I mean, you know drum machines and things like that

I used to hate him in the 90s because Bass players are losing all kinds of work to synthesizers and drummers were losing the work to the drum machine but They're a tool for you to use that you can blend them into your music and they can help you in a lot of ways But it doesn't out it shouldn't mean the demise of Performance and learning how to play Just no sub to the organ also because of john paul johns. Uh, no, I wish I had my mom used to always say I wish you would take piano lessons. Why don't you play the organ? Why don't you do this?

I go my I just want to play the guitar. I want to be in the Beatles I want to be in that, you know, I want to do that So I wish now that I would have that knowledge, but yeah when he's doing no quarter at the garden Oh, man, and he's playing the synthesizer. Yeah That's doing the bass and you're looking at him with his little bo peep head cut Because he had that fucked up little bo peep head cut. There's uh, we all had some weird dudes Oh my god When you look at those album covers, you know, there's some stuff one thing about me is this is the same dude

I had in 78. Yeah, I've never changed hairdos. This is it Gelt pull me back and that's it. That's a good way to go. That's it. I never had time to spikes Yeah, I never hung out with punk rockers. This is it. My hairstyle has not changed Since day one once the damn shag went out. That was for me I was like a half a fact I was 13. I had to line them over here like dick van dyke But dick van dyke wasn't getting pussy He probably is now jibby. He's about a hundred. He needs 22 my ag was that poor bastard Hey, I didn't tell you led Zeppelin was my second concert

Really? Yeah, where james cleveland public hall. What did you think what year what year what hour away that was uh Must have been 69 Probably so only the first record was out and they opened up with the immigrant song and I never heard it And there I am at a big concert, you know, I'm a young kid And I had a camera and I was shaking like a leaf, you know, I was standing in front of the stage and here I'm here And all this shit and man, it just killed me. I was just so blown away six dollars and 50 cents Six dollars and 50 who opened for Nobody went to the opening band and nobody did I don't think they had an opening act at that point

I think it was just them So now you're touring you do the music Yeah, touring doing the music one day you say, you know what I'm gonna open up a pizza ball Well, I always love pizza, you know growing up in young stars are pizza parlor on every corner and it's all good You know, you know, yeah, young stuff talk about calamans, you know, i look great as the best calamans I've ever had Um, but anyway, it was just a great way to grow up and all the pizza was was great I loved it. I loved the whole Sicilian tradition My father passed when I was young and that was the irish side of me

But I didn't really know that side as much as I did the Sicilian side So pizza was part of the deal, you know, sunday gravy at grandma's and all that So I always had this romantic thing going with pizza. I love it and then uh as I started a tour You'd get some shit pizza and then you get some really great stuff and we call it bust lobster because it shows up far too often and uh As I just started to think about it and then I what I found out through investigation was there was so much cool stuff going on out there

that I started to go to the pizza expo And really get into it and become familiar with the guys that were the top dogs and that's kind of what precipitated this and then you know part of Getting older as we said before as you think in terms of a little bit more longevity and a legacy And it you know, I'm probably not going to be as popular as You know nick jagger in this lifetime

So what am I going to leave for my kids? And so I just kind of all melded together and I got interested in it and started doing it And then the boys are in it. So it's just like a shoe in And who did you get to help you teach you how to make the pizza the pizza? I studied a lot what the guy at Tony Gemini. I told you about I learned a lot from him, but I've gone everywhere I've I've studied with the hunt brothers who teach at Detroit style Not necessarily teach these guys are not all necessarily instructors

But they all have a great amount of knowledge Michael Lamarck and Cleveland, Ohio Great pizza. Oh, there's just a ton of them So I would go study with these guys because I'd meet them all on the road Because I mean these studies you would go with them and make a few pizzas. Yeah, I go to their place I'll go to their place for a couple days and if they'll have me I'll stand around and watch them make pizza

So I just kept going what style are you going for right now? Who out of all the styles? Well, that's our thing. We're into a multiple style thing. So we do Sicilian, New York, Ohio, Detroit Neapolitan So we're into this multiple style thing and I thought I invented it. So I'm looking around nobody's doing this because everybody wants the pizza that they grew up on It's the best friggin pizza on the planet So I thought I was going to do that and invent it and then I found this guy Tony And I approached him and said hey, man, you stole my idea and we became friends because of that

And so I meant to the multiple style is Detroit good. I haven't I haven't tried it But I've seen people been telling me about it recently. It's like a like a thick kind of like crispy sort of yeah Looks cool. I've never had it. It's amazing because it's uh, you know, it's a medium thick crust But it's got this caramelized cheddar cheese that comes down the sides and just like a toasted cheese sandwich and then you got the mozzarella in the middle and then the racing stripes of the Sauce and everything and then of course your your toppings But man, it's just a great stout. It's light It's not heavy like you think it's going to be a big heavy pizza

Sicilian can be can Possibly be But it's not a weight. It's not because it's not bad if it's made properly It's highly digestible food And it's not like a sinker in your stomach. That's why we need just cheap stuff You're going to feel like shit When you eat better pizza It's prepared properly. You're going to feel fine. You'll be fine. Why do you think they ate a whole pizza in Italy?

I sit down with a knife and fork and eat the pizza and they ate a whole pizza the apolitan pizza Because it's so well proofed and you know made digestible So there's a lot to learn. You know, I love pizza. I'm a man on the move Come on the problem I have here is you're a man on the move And You know, I'm gonna go in The guy's gonna come up to me. I gotta tell him what I want. He has to write it down Put it on and out

Then the pizza guy puts it in the oven But I go to my table and he brings me the pizza. I can't do that You want to come back in the kitchen cook it? No, I want the guy that I give the money to To give me the fucking slice once in a while. Give me the slice while I'm talking to him He's going. What do you want two cheese? He's throwing them in and he's talking to the guy next to me. What do you want two cheese? What do you want with those two cheese? I want a large cope and some fucking That's old school, man. Ba ba ba ba. He rings you up. He takes your fucking dish out rings this fucking guy up He's on a timer. He's on a timer in his mind

All of a sudden he looks at yours. He pushes it over pushes this one to the side Closes the oven. He goes, what do you think about those nicks? Yeah, and then you tell them they suck dick They cost me a hundred dollars and then he turns around and gives you two fucking slices Yeah, but I would go to a place in hollywood where they had to give it to the fucking mexican Then the mexican had to run it back to the other mexican and then go back to tijuana And then they'd fucking walk it back. That's not a slice a slice is on the move If I come to buy a pizza, yeah, then I sit down But when I come in here for a slice

Get two fucking plastic dishes put them together Put the slice and fold it and just give it to me do not put in a bag If you put in a bag a tree died because you put in a bag What are the chances of this pizza making it home? I'm 300 fucking pounds I'm just fucking slice making it home. Why are you giving me a fucking bag for? I don't need it. I don't need it. I'm gonna eat it right now. That's right. It's like sushi. Keep the damn thing I don't eat sushi and I see people I take this home. Listen, I mean On the bathroom, there's windex. Just drink that because that's what happens when you bring sushi home

It's made to eat right fucking there the same and I'm not saying a good fucking like if I go to a pizza place if I come in And he's making a fresh pizza But there's a pie and it's got a fly on it and it's kind of petrified. I go Give me two of those Because I want the one you're taking that I want the one that collogulated over. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's the slice That's fresh life delicious. Yeah, but the one that collogulated overnight. That's rather fucked is on fire. Oh, yeah And I shit comes together

Usually I don't need I don't eat pizza if I don't see an Italian That's true. I'm very prejudiced against that. Don't listen if you're ever by love you Stick to hummus and black labar Okay, I will never go in there and eat if you're Cuban stick to Cuban food. Don't let me see you fucking making pizza Authenticity means something. It means a lot to me. I don't care if you pick your nose or scratch your ass I eat the slice if there's a hair in it. God bless you. I'll take it. God knows give me another one God knows what's in your system. What are we talking about here with pizza pizza? You don't eat unless there's an Italian

But I I just something I used to eat There's only one guy broke the exception when I was a kid. There was a guy named nick Nick's pizza. He was a greek degenerate gambler There's something about the east coast all them are owned by greeks, right? That's a lot. This was in the 70s He was the only greek allowed in the fucking county That's when this was the 70s when greek italians would come busy and go Your name ends with an s. Yeah Sock an oculus. Yes. This is not happening no more next time you sell a slice. We'd like to place on fire

Yeah, unless you make a partner in italian So it'll be nicks and joes Seriously, like people would not go to your pizza place. What's the place we saw on the way over here? It was a middle eastern And pizza. Yeah, no, I don't go italian, right? I got nothing against middle eastern people But stick to what you know, make the kibby make, you know, pick a flag. That's something that's indigenous Pick a flag. I mean, I'm lucky to get away with this the last name the irish last name But my mother's name is jen. No, I could tell that you have the thing in yet Even my brother when I went home because I went to the sushi place one day and I asked him about japan

And they said they didn't know nothing about japan and there were koreans and they went back again Like okay, I'm not the only one that feels this way But nick's a lily nick was a character nick would call me a specter my face He called everybody by that and there was a kid who Would buy a slice there and would go across the street to get a nice tea because it was a nickel cheaper And nick would run out and go you fucking jew Go fuck yourself He would yell at him and he put his Sicilian by the window

So we called it the Sicilian international airport because all the flies were coming to land That was there That was their takeoff and runway. Yeah, that's where they would load up You could see the other flies loading the guys in the cheese and they would fly and there was a fan right by it So the flies had to get off the pie and then go through the fan without getting their hot Ted chopped off three drove nick drove a hard bargain Yeah, if you will fly you just weren't gonna walk and then eat his pizza But he kept the Sicilian by the window

And I always go nick come on. Give me half price. There's been flies shit on there all day I'll take fuck you you fucking dick One night I went in there with quailudes and he stopped calling me sprick I was in there like you fed him I was in there with two quailudes and my buddy threw a whole thing of crushed red pepper at him Because he was he was he had a bead he would call uh who many He my buddy had a beard and he would call my antola comainy and my buddy's like i'm fucking italian All right, stop with the antola and he threw a fucking red pepper thing out of right

Oh, we were we were savages with nick and I remember I was like I had puke all over my shirt And every time he saw me after that it was 1982. So he called me baloo she He would say you're you're going to die like baloo. She's gonna die like I used to sell him all the hot gold Anytime we rob gold I would sell it to him and he'd look at it and they look at me Are you sure this is gold speak? Yes, it is and he looked at it 14 got it I give you $50, but he would take it and he put it in apron right behind the bathroom I would wait till he stuck up And then I'd ask him to use the bathroom and I'd steal the jewelry bathroom

And then I'd wait a week and come back nick Resell him and he looked at me and look at the ring and say I know this ring he he would sit there for an hour. I know this thing That's recycling. Oh my god. We used to torture Nick. He was he was such a degenerate gambler He would just close Like if there was a race at the metal lands in the afternoon close Be back in one hour you gotta go and he would come right back now when I went to shoot the soprano movie in New York We shot in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn and the guys were like we're going to his pizza place this afternoon

But before we could go The father still runs it. It's like the best pizza in Brooklyn. It's been there. Oh far as a hundred years We got 90 years old and he makes his own pizza does not let his sons Touch the pizza he makes the pizza the sun walks the slice Right out or he'll walk the pizza out from the kitchen the sisters at the counter And Dom DeMarco is still standing there It takes so long to get a slice you can wait two three hours I heard that there's times he has to take a nap

Oh, yeah, he's so old Oh, he's gotta be in his like 94 95 95 So you'll go there and the thing says closed and you'll see his two little feet Hanging from one of the benches He just decides to take a little nap go there though. That's history. That's Pete. I know we were gonna go But they said it's closed. We only had an hour for lunch. It was a half hour drive. No, you gotta wait Yeah, so we were already up there It's like I was making the trek from Manhattan to Brooklyn, which is no big deal

But we were shooting the movie. They were like, let's go to the pizza tomorrow for me And then a guy called back. He was closed We went on the set at seven in the morning. We had a one at two o'clock lunch How cool was doing Sopranos the movie? Yeah, the movie was uh David Chase That's cool David Chase. That's something out of this world. Yeah, I'm going to his birthday party next week. Are you really? Yeah, they invited me to his birthday party like his 80th or 72nd or something uh

You play the bass, but you love music. I saw somewhere. You did something with Prince. You yeah, you did some arrange Prince and whatnot You know, it's really weird when you walk into the room And I've never thought I mean in my the back of my mind for me to survive as a man. I have to think in In my head. I got the biggest dick in the room, you know When I was as soon as he stood next to me I knew his dick was two feet bigger than mine Gondolfini no

I didn't do the Sopranos of Gondolfini did the prequel movie. I just shot it in May and April and June But when you're with David Chase, you know That's where comedy ends like you strive that hopefully in 50 years You'll get to that point, you know musically like I know I love you've been paying the baseball 47 years so 47 years think about it When you're playing the bass on your 60th anniversary, I could basically turn the lights off Strap the bass behind your leg behind your neck and you can play it like It's

That's what he is with comedy. That's where he's at. You don't know that about him until you're around And then you watch the series again And you go, why wasn't because me I'm pushing for the line He's not giving you that line. He's making you watch the visual to make it funny He's making you work and he's making you work last week. I went home this night I go home and I go on right And I throw on HBO to go and put on the Sopranos And there was an episode last week when juniors at the hospital

And he sees the chick the old lady from the neighborhood chicky's wife And he walks up, but he's supposed to sit in the chair And he goes, I'm not sitting in the chair. I'm standing. Oh, of course. Yes There's also some big black guy came on he goes mr. Soprano He goes like this with his voice. He could have said a thousand things But David Chase saw the humor and him just looking at the black guy looking at the girl Taking two steps back and just sitting down and going

Like in his mind, he told you look at the fucking balls on this young. Yeah telling me to see what he won't tell you that You know, that's an unfold. That's what we've forgotten in the night in the 2000s We've forgotten your mind Filling in blanks for movies We give you everything what a movie now when you watch the exorcist That fucks with your mind It lets your mind work the directors used to make your mind work now. You got a camera. You're a director That's what a director does. It's the same thing in music. It's the same right

So when when you get around I can't imagine being around Inspector Cluzo who played inspector Cluzo and we would click Peter Sellers. Yeah, he's the correct while he was shooting the pink panther If you weren't there taking notes, you know When I see planes, trains and automobiles I don't John Candy stole the movie But if from a comedian standpoint It was Steve Martin because he had to learn how to tame himself down

To let this guy run. You're not gonna have fun even Steve. So knock that off This guy could out funny you in a heartbeat But he took his comedy and showed it to you in a different way, right? You know what? I'm in the mood to watch lately. That's how I'm on my blue heaven. Oh, I haven't seen that in a long time Do you watch when my mom when my mom was here? We watched that movie. How great is that? It's pretty I it was I never heard of it. But it's pretty great. Remember you married her Yeah, I probably didn't get a lot of notoriety did it I don't know what year it came out, but it was just it just didn't do it

Yeah, to me those are comedy masterpieces when I saw Eddie Murphy delirious I knew that was a come on. I saw dice clay special. I love size special You know, it's it's really weird to be around those guys like it is If when emison palm will walk then yeah, or you know when uh What would happen with bb king walks and they look so he goes tuna than a yeah, and you're standing there going Tuna than a I'm about to fucking ship my pants and puke. This is biggie bb king in the fucking room. Yeah, so you're sitting with One of the godly like, you know, yeah, like what you said, you know jack white, whatever

You're just happy to fucking see these people. Oh, yeah It's uh, I never liked Roger Waters I know his fucking ego over pie. We spoke about ego on one day. I don't like ego. I don't like this I don't deal with an ego. I don't care what it is. I never really were the fucking ego on another prick that broke up Because he broke up Pink Floyd none of the fucking broke up the police That fucking staying that ego over cocksucker

You know all those egos have always fucking killed me those egos will screw up everything then But now with music it doesn't seem like the egos are there no more these people just happy to be up there Whether it's pat whether it's Leonard skinned Whether it's uh, you know, I speak to rudy a lot rudy goes on the road with Loving spoonful one of those great funk railroad. Oh grand funk. Is one of the grand fun. Yeah, one of those. That's cool You know last year was uh uh, the band from seattle

Not sound garden that nirvana not the other one the other one. Who's the other one from seattle? Uh, I won't lie to you close to you Uh, I will help you see it through There when I silent lucidity Dumb dumb dumb. We're all drawn up without silent lucidity. I forget the name of the band He played with them for a couple tours, you know, he's a busy guy Yeah, you know, he's in the working position. Is he really he's gotta be 67 70 I guess we're all getting older. You know, he's got a radio show the music, you know, so queen char

Queen's right. Oh queen's right. I know he was on road with queen's right. He does the it's amazing how You're not that distant anymore as a musician When you and I were growing up led zeppelin was a year away They were upon the way we live in a world today where If we try hard enough jimmy page just might answer you back on twitter You never know or dave gilmore just might answer you back on twitter or You know or joey ds or joey ds or fucking mick. Where'd I meet you at church church? Yeah My daughter it was a real pleasure meeting you likewise pleasure having you on and thank you very much

Promise you I was gonna meet a friend the last two weeks. Yeah We're gonna meet in the middle of bentura and studio city So I decided let's just meet a thousand oaks At parma she called today and I go no, he's coming down today So I have to meet you next week. So I'll go to parma and I'll give my review and shit Please do I'm gonna go in there with a disguise on so nobody knows when I come to cover boss He'll probably be there. I'll be no he won't even recognize me You got to see the disguises I come up with no ranch. It's in thousand oaks in Los Angeles

It's in thousand oaks. Yeah, I dress up as a nun. You won't even know it's me a fat fucking nun with big tits Is there any other kind? No, where can these guys find your brother? We are at seven nine six east thousand oaks boulevard And what's your website because you have a website is parma pizzeria novelitana. No, you're fucking website Oh, my website. Yeah, it's mick mehan dot com hand dot com. You got pictures on there. You've got pictures on there And there's a little taste of music here and there stuff and you still do your own music also Yeah, I do I don't do as much as I used to because even the television businesses become Deluded with a bunch of people that'll give the music away for free. I can't see doing that, you know

I think people should be paid for their art. Do you have a stage at the pizza place? No, we do not it's a very small pizza place Why haven't that how don't you have a stage? Well because we're out of our minds We started off real small, but just a little stay a little stage. We got them doing open mic We've had full bands in there. You know, oh, yeah Oh, yeah, we've had full bands in there the grand opening and the best drummers in the world live in thousand oaks I mean, they're all the studio guys have played on millions of records and they all come in You know and they'll play

So we don't do it often But I want to do a little bit more of that like sunday afternoon Open up the front doors bring a band in who cares if it's too loud You know, it's just a ticket. It's a ticket ticket. Fuck. It's a it's a a voice and I will see you if I don't see you at the Parma, I will see you october 19th at the Saban Saban. Yes, Peter. Yes getting ready for pat benetow. I have my fucking wish list All right song. She needs to play is a lot of stuff. I bet you'll hear a bunch. There's a song she put on

the one album And me and my buddy were going through a lot at this time. He was fucking he's a rich kid But he was still going through hell And I was going it was 83. It was get nervous And it's called silent partner. Oh, yeah And I'll never forget I forgot all about that. So The one day I was on the fucking plane. I have like two edibles in me I have like three tutu lutes in me and I'm going through when I see get nervous. I go, let me put it on

You know calling for a stranger in the night knowing that shit When silent partner came on The beginning the synthesizer stuff That first two chords had to rip my earphones off It had taken me right back into that car. We used to drive up and down We're both suicidal. I mean, we had nothing going on with our lives were 20 years old You know, they kept us together was pat benetow. Is that right? yeah, pat acid

some black Sabbath Led Zeppelin because the only thing that kept us living was that led Zeppelin was gonna make it yesterday yesterday the day before was the 48th anniversary of led zeppelin at that festival What's the big festival they do every year? Coachella No, there was no coachella back then coachella over in england Where the stones Opened up for skin it opened up for the stones the stones didn't have a choice

Skin it fucking blew them off the table They told they told skin and not to walk on the tongue and skin it went out there and walked on the tongue It threw the stones off. They came out with bows smoking cigarettes But that was let it skin it do you adam burrow oh an ember So it's yesterday two days ago was the 48th anniversary of that playing adam burrow If you will look at that video when we end the podcast You have to see jimmy paid his hair on addiction. There was nothing to him They were dressed nicely, but he was just shirt just scratching and cheating

No, he was just shirt and you could see the bones And sweat He does a killies last hand well yesterday was the 48th anniversary So now the chitter chatter was starting that they were going to do the states They I forget when bottom died. It's going to be the 48th anniversary next in the next It's got to be the next month that he's been going a long time 79 It's got to be the next two months and I still remember being at a restaurant and moffing joes eating a fucking egg on

Egg on jersey style egg sandwich with cheese nice and they said uh, we'll have an announcement Sadly about a big band in those days. You didn't buy tickets. You had a mail and a money order And then they tell you if you got there's no ticket master or anything. No and Fucking September 25th of 80. There you go 80 I always thought it was 79 boy was I rule Mick it was a real pleasure. Hey, it's you too man. You glad to be here any time you want to thank you very much The fucking pizza parlor or the tour or a new album beautiful single. I'm sure we'll hang out for a porno Whatever you want to do. We're here for you my brother. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much

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