Uncle Joey's Joint with Joey Diaz - #721 - Adam Zickerman

Episode Date: September 23, 2019

Adam Zickerman, founder of InForm Fitness, author of The New York Times best selling book, "Power of 10: The Once-A-Week Slow Motion Fitness Revolution," and personal trainer joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt in studio.  This podcast is brought to you by: ZipRecruiter - post your job to 200+ job sites with a single click for free at www.ziprecruiter.com/church CBD Lion - For all of your CBD needs, from shatter to gummies, go to www.CBDLion.com and use code CHURCH for 20% off.  MyBookie.ag -  Use code promo Church to get a 100% match on your first deposit up to $1,000. Check out Joey's Instagram @madflavors_world on Thursday for a new video where Joey teaches you how to gamble.

Those little squats get you stronger than fuck plus they get the dick harder than that. You wake up in the morning with that 14 year old dick that's buried in the hole in your pocket and mom is already cooking breakfast for the kids. I gotta sit there with a heart on it. Think about what the fuck fucking pure strength you cuck suckers see what those squats do to your dick. It's nice to wake up with a heart on it. And all these little half of fruit cakes. I suffer from erectile dysfunction. I'm over here 56 with a fucking rock between my pocket that King Young Whom will look at and go what the fuck is that missile. The Iranians will drop it on A-Rabs everything with this fucking. I mean it's a dick of death. It's the truth. I'm getting dirty thoughts

at night. And you think it's because of the leg press? I think it definitely is. I really believe that squatting. I started squatting after I had knee surgery. Just fucking around with it on my own at the gym. I started doing it at the Y. Just squatting because I always knew that if you squat at first it released something in your body to make you and I had the knee surgery and within four months I knocked my wife at the age of 49 years old. This is a guy who doesn't do pills or drink alcohol, sleeps seven hours a night. It's a little overweight and he smokes pot like a motherfucker. So Harvard said if you smoke reefer your sperm cell go down. When women want to get knocked up they have to tell their husbands to stop smoking pot because the sperm cell knocks.

No tight underwear either. Lee at this time tell them what we're doing. 2000 milligrams a night. We were eating 2000 milligrams of stars and chocolates. And that was just what I was eating. You always said I've had eight things today. Yeah we were doing everything. We were doing ketamine. Whatever came on the show we were getting down with no delay. No blow, no heroin, no oxys. But everything else. Every man for himself. We're in coding tablets. A.J. Benzay came on with fucking penzinols and fucking fentanyl. He gave me cat tranquilizers. Oh yeah we go deep on this show. But how do you explain somebody being with somebody for 13 years having sex with them on a lay on a regular level and all of a sudden now yes they're two years off of drugs

and I start squatting again. And when I started squatting I was squatting with 135, five sets of eight but I was working more on my form than to get hurt because I knew I was 49 years old and I would do three sets of eight deadlifts. But when I walked out there I could tell something was going on and then I started getting hornier and hornier and hornier and I knew I put it back to being 16 when I would hang out with from 16 to 21 I hung out with bodybuilders and then in Colorado those bodybuilders became they came from Brown University. So my buddies from Jersey had gone to Brown and at Brown they picked up cleans, jerks, deadlifts and squats so there was no more curling allowed. They had a no curling rule in the house. If we see you fucking doing curls

you're out. So every day one guy was a garbage man, two guys were construction guys and myself. We would meet downstairs at six and do this clean whatever program but we incorporated Ira Wolfs. Ira Wolf was a Jewish guy in our neighborhood that went to the Olympics as an assistant strength and conditioning coach in 84 and his principles were the power of 10 in 1984. When you worked out with him before football, before basketball if you didn't play football you had to do cross country with him. It really wasn't cross country running. It was a little bit sprinting and a lot of heavy weight, low reps, slow, bench squats he would call them. I still remember his bench squat and I still remember my vertical jump going from 28 inches to now I could

grab the fucking rim and freshman year by freshman year I was jumping up and grabbing the rim. I couldn't slam dunk and I always accredited that to his training. His training was not too hours guys. His training was very quick. Bing, bang, bench squats, overhead press, something else, pull-ups and I remember I couldn't do pull-ups so he would put the bench under for me and just make me hold at a certain time and then let go. I remembered all that shit and you know you would walk out of there not exhausted but you thought every vein in your body was about to pop and then he'd make you do cross country but 340s, 560s and then a 100-yard dash and you went home and I'd see you Wednesday so when I read about all this

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and he went the other way and down 9-1-1 as usual. She was married. She said, when she started shit, it was, I only have eight stories like this. I don't know what it is about me that attracts the creeps. She wanted to kill her ex-boyfriend's chickens. It was the weirdest night of my life. Sure it was. And the whole time, nothing. You didn't have to ask. She was married. Who cares? They're getting your car all bets are off. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you're like a Lyft driver. You know what I'm saying? You're not supposed to suck your Lyft driver's dick. Well, what happened? Adam, what's happening, bro? How you doing, man? Thanks for having me. What brings you to LA? Absolutely. I had a great time training at

your gym while I was there to shoot the Soprano film and it was a great experience. You know, the whole thing that you do is still so far hidden from the world. And it's, I tapped on to the power of 10. Like I just said to you in 1980, had to be 1979 with this cat named Ira Wolf. And it was basically a way of working out that, you know, all your other coaches were making you run hills and, you know, you went home that night and every bone in your body ached. You know, Lee and I were part of a kettlebell class. You know, you look back at it now. He had a swinging 80 pound kettlebells in this weird positions. And you, if you went to the class on Tuesday, you couldn't walk to a fucking Friday. I mean, not walk. And you have to ask

yourself, how is this beneficial fitting my body? This for the last couple of years since I had the baby, my desire is to live, to live a healthier type of lifestyle, the best that I can. You know, I'm not going to tell you, I'm not going to eat a pastrami sandwich when I'm in New York, but I won't eat the fries. I'll have a salad with it. So we'll go halfway. But one of the things was I tried to find a system that would work for a man over 50. I started reading about it. I, you know, I really loved jujitsu, but that was a four or three day recovery. And then every time you went, your shoulder hurt, somebody got your shoulder lock, somebody got your arm bar. And then I wanted to kick the caloric burn up. So I went with Muay Thai and jujitsu, Muay Thai, an hour Muay Thai.

You can burn up to a thousand calories. That's a fat burner. Plus it would help a 50 year old breathe a little better and whatever. But I felt there was something missing. After that three or four year experiment, I really thought there was something missing from my life. And unlike other people, I always enjoyed weightlifting. Since the age of 15, I always enjoyed five sets of six straight bar, just the main body parts, no fucking around. That's a bench press, incline bent over row, pull over curl, tricep extension, squat, and you're out of there. So you need that was the but that was the 80s. The 80s you were built. Everybody wanted to be Mike Metzger in the 80s. Mike Metzger was the guy that devised the program.

Mike Mentzer. You're gonna correct me a lot. I'm still coming down from that battery ass to the guns and roses. Mike Mentzger had a workout that he did. What was it? 20 sets per body part. So if you did your chest, you had to do five bench presses, five inclines, five dumbbells, and then a set of flies five times. You think about that. That's a lot of fucking work five days a week on and you had a cover that was either the push and pull method or that was just a straight up, you know, three days a week of squats. And I had friends that made, you know, we were big in that in North Bergen, New Jersey. I still remember my buddy making Puerto Rican squat machines with the wire and they would get their uncle to weld the piece and they would put

two 35 pound plates with it with a wire string and they would get a broomstick and we would pull it down at the house and you know, I mean, this was everybody had their own homemade gym. That's really cool. Actually, everybody, everybody and everybody had different techniques, but there was this one kid, Ferney, that disappeared for a summer. He's Cuban. He ate steak and black beans and rice every day for a summer and he stuck to a regiment of five sets of six, which included behind the neck presses and we were all gung-ho on it. So the whole neighborhood wanted to get big. Some of us did a Winstrow and Winnie Vee. Some of us didn't because I don't like needles. So it was always something that I really enjoyed. So when I was looking for that gap

in what was going on in my life, I wanted to burn more calories. I ran across your book one night online and I read, it was excerpts of your book and what your message was. Yeah, I never asked you actually how you found. Yeah, no, that's how I found excerpts of your book and then I found your gym and sure enough, it's like I could fly to New York twice a week to train with the man who wrote this book. So for the last five years, I've been going to this place to eat the green apple because they have the best Emily chicken, no points on where it watches. It's having chicken in like a light sauce with no sugar and white rice and I'll go up there and

it's basically six points for the rice and right after I shot my Netflix special and I thought my life was a mess. I went, there was no parking on the street, so I parked in the back and as I walked out I looked and there was this small boutique, very what you'd say in my world LA-ish type of gym like I had to go in there and talk about, you know, my service dog and I had to go talk about, you know, because it's next to a yoga joint and I've sat there many of hours eating Chinese food with my wife or Lee or friends or agents and I have sat there and watched these fucking yoga people, you know, walk out with their tea and chia seeds on the way out and faking the funk and you look at this gym and they had a pamphlet and I took the pamphlet and read

it and I took it home and I go, Jesus, God works in mysterious ways and I called them up and I went for an initial consultation and I gotta be honest with you, the first three weeks I thought it was kind of bullshit. I'm like, I got taken, that's what I get for being a fucking asshole. There's a CrossFit gym by my house, I could go on any group on and right now in Studio City there's a thousand strength gyms that'll let you go in there and do whatever the fuck you want and there was an interesting strength-based school in Burbank that they made you strength lift and then jujujitsu. I liked it but I'm 56. Who the fuck's got that time but I gotta do curl, I gotta do squats and then go on the mat and show how the squats work in my jujitsu so that's how I found you Adam

was through the book Little Excerpts. They spoke a lot about Ken Hutchinson, the guy that did the studies in 82 with the older people but he helped them and they said he's a dick so they said to reach out to you. No, no, no, I'm just teasing you. He's eccentric. He's very eccentric. He has his enemies and they just said that you have new articles in Vanity and all these magazines and I just became very interested in your science and how you got involved in this. Yeah well I give myself credit not for pioneering this because it was Ken Hutchins and it was Arthur Jones who the Nautilus founder and the Mike Menser. Mike Menser was very close with Arthur Jones. Tell these motherfuckers about Tom Plats. Can you make my thighs look like Tom Plats in six weeks? Yeah well you know, no.

I don't think so. You know, it's hard to know. I mean genetics is a big factor in all of this and we don't know if you've ever achieved your genetic potential and how you did it. So it's possible to make your legs like this. I know I can't make my legs like this. My skinny ass Jewish legs, you know, there's no way. But you know, going back to how my involvement in this technique was just hearing these guys, these obscure voices that no one wanted to listen to because conventional exercise and marketing was taking over cardio and Jane Fonda and all that stuff. So it's hard to break through those voices and less was more, you know, in these ideas. So I was like, this is something because I was like you. You're talking about all the stuff you did and how you got hurt.

That's what happened to me. You know, I got very hurt doing all the crazy stuff. I was working in a lab, you know, I was a scientist early, you know, graduated with a degree in science and I thought I was going to be in research my whole life and I'm in the lab. I'm a low man on a toll pole, you know, there's all these really smart researcher biochemists there and I just get, I'm just out of school and I'm washing test tubes and stuff and but I am the only jock there. I'm the only guy there that cares about exercise. You got all these science nerds, you know, and so here I am proselytizing about exercise, showing off, telling him you'll have to exercise, you'll have to exercise and my boss, a genius guy, says to me, you know, Adam, I hear you talking about

exercise a lot. You know, we should all do this, we should all do that and we watch you and you're working out every day and you're doing this and you're doing that, I got to say, you look like shit. I'm like, whoa. And that really took me back and he went on to explain what he meant, he says, listen, you look good, you're 19 years old, how bad can someone look at 19 years old, but you know, you're always hurt, you're sick all the time, you're nursing injuries, you know, you've already had back surgery from an exercise injury, if that's what exercise is about, you know, count me out. And it wasn't until many years later that I came across Ken Hutchins and Arthur Jones when I realized that, and this is a big, big moment in my life because I always had

what my boss said in the back of my mind, but it never really clicked until I was reading Ken Hutchins. And I realized that what good is exercise and what good is getting fit, if it's going to undermine your health. You know, my dad is a perfect example of somebody that was fit his whole life and now he's had double bypass surgery, he can't walk, he's a walker, his quality of life sucks ironically because of how he exercised. He beat himself into the ground with orthopedic problems and all this talk about cardio and running marathons, meanwhile he's had triple bypass surgery. You know, I was like questioning all these, like a scientist says, you know, if there's an exception to the rule, the rule is wrong. You know, that's Richard Feynman,

the Nobel Prize-winning physicist who said that from Caltech. He, you know, with all this cardio going on, how come orthopedic surgeons are booming, obesity is higher than ever if it's supposed to burn all these calories? You know, I was like, there's got to be something to this. This is not the answer. We don't know everything there is to know about exercise. You know, we have like the zeitgeist in our society now, you know, that there's two types of exercise, you know, cardio and strength training. You know, that's changed. It's not true that it's, you don't, it's not separate anymore. You know, it's worked out hard like you were talking about, like that, that Jewish guy you were talking about, Ira Wolf, I think you said, you know,

he knew he had this intuition. That was back in 82. He said, lift way slowly, less is more. You do the basic exercise. You do the full body full form. He focused on full form. He had that intuition and the breathing, which at 1916 and 17, you're looking at somebody going, fuck you. I don't need my breathing. He is amazing. That's amazing. He would actually talk about breathing before you put a bar on your neck or got into a rack. He would make you do the movement of the squat to the breathing, but you went away from it. You didn't think wrong. Relax. Wrong. You know, if you hear all that, you're not doing something and you didn't realize it. You know, I didn't realize it. Didn't realize it till seven years later when I was swimming.

I went to Boulder and joined the master swimming program. If you swim like a gorilla, see how long you'll last. If you relax your body like water, like Bruce Lee said, and just let that wrist take you and all of a sudden you'll swim two more miles because you're not tense. When we swim, we feel like we got a splash and look at the guy next to you. He's not even fucking making noise, but he's not burning any energy either. And that was like rule numbers, whatever in your book, don't hold your breath. Yes, breathing. As you know, breathing, don't hold your breath. Nice, free, relaxed breathing. Your blood pressure goes up. Your performance goes down. You're trying to get the most out of your muscles and you're depriving them of oxygen.

Stupid. So back to where you came up with this whole angle. Well, like I said, I didn't come up with it. So like here I am. I'm like, remember I have my boss's voice in the back of my head and then Ken Hutchins starts talking. Then I read Ken Hutchins. He's like, you got to breathe less is more. We're killing ourselves. You don't have to lock out your joints. You know, one set of failure. I was like, oh my God. I mean, all of a sudden the voice of my boss back in the laboratory just came to me. I'm like, he was right the whole time he was right. And then it took me to hear it a second time from Ken Hutchins many years later, many injuries later, you know, to realize, oh my God, you know, we're, we're, we're approaching this all wrong.

You know, it's about this muscle failure, not how you got the muscle failure. It's about getting the muscle failure and not fucking yourself up in the process. And like you said, you're 50 years old. What are you going to do now? Jiu Jitsu? Yeah, you can get in great damn shape doing Jiu Jitsu, but you can also get seriously hurt doing Jiu Jitsu. And then you're out for six months. So it's the law of demolition returns. I see the top kid over there had bursitis. He didn't know what was going on. His knee, you know, a staff infection is fucking me. Yeah, surgery fucking serious stuff. That's serious stuff. This is something that so I'm not looking to get off. Remember, I just don't sit at home with ice back. I lose my wife doesn't eat. We don't eat. I got to

go on the road. We could eat. So I can't do anything that I got to walk around. You know, there's six hour flights. That's bad enough for your back. Like I tell people all the time, it's not the lifting weights I reach my back. It's the three hours in the computer trying to try to type a type of fucking act. So sitting sitting is the worst thing for you in the fucking world. I know you're going to laugh at me, but maybe you should get a standing desk. I'm no I'm way ahead of you. I think that that's the next move. I just we measured the desk the other day. I have a big computer screen. So we're gonna have to get a block. Well, you can do those desk where they elevate and then go down. Right. Yeah, you can stand and stand for a while when

you're sick of that sit down for a little while. I went to my friend's office and saw the desk that and he looks great by doing it. When did you consider writing the book about your findings? So when I read Ken Hutchins and I had my boss on my head, I was like, okay, that's it game changer. I'm changing my life. I realized I wasn't gonna all the researchers were making like $10,000 a year and I was I was you know, I was not going to make money and research for a long time and and money was you know, part of my motivation for career. Anyway, I was like, I think there's gonna be a lot of people out there that would exercise if they knew that they're not going to kill themselves attempting to do it. I said this needs to be

known about this idea of working out slowly and safely and get really strong without putting yourself in harm's way. That's a big message. That is a paradigm shift. Actually, they hate I hate that expression paradigm shift, but this truly was in my mind. And I said, I'm doing I'm going for it. I'm going to take this information that that no one knows about and see if I can popularize it. And so I started just training people in the basement. I started my business part time, you know, in a basement of some smelly building chain smoker used to be in the space before me. And so my first gym actually smelled like cigarette smoke. But it was free. And I was actually able to train clients and practice what I was and then I went around, I went down,

spent time with Ken Hutchins. I had all these mentors and I just learned as much as I could. And I just went for it. Next thing you know it, one of my clients writes a letter to the local news station on Long Island channel 12 news along a very local very local station. And says this changed my life. It's less is more. And I've tried everything else. I used to beat myself to the ground. But now with diet and and just working on once a week really hard, but safely, it's changed my body. So they sent the news crew to my little hole in a wall basement. And I was like, Wow, that was pretty easy. So I started writing letters to all the editors of all the major magazines everywhere. I just sent out 50. This is back in 97 30 years old. Now it's back in 97. There's no

internet to speak of. I can't just look in Google who's the editor chief of this place and that place and send an email, right? I was writing actual letters. And I was buying all the magazines from the bodega to find out who these people were. I'd send out snail mail letters that probably 50 to 70 media sources, just saying I have this technique of working out once a week 20 minutes. I never wrote a press release in my life, but I figured how hard can it be? Next thing you know, nobody calls me except for one publication, the New York Times. I mean, I sent out, like I said, between set 50 to 75 letters and only one publication call in New York Times, they sent a reporter and photographer down to my hole in a wall in

Massapuqua, Long Island, took a picture of me training somebody. And boom, I get calls from publishers, everybody wants to know what's this about. I get a million calls in Manhattan. I don't have a place in Manhattan. Everyone wants to work out in Manhattan. It doesn't seem like anyone on Long Island reads the Times because I didn't get a single client on Long Island where I was. So I'm telling all these people that are calling me from New York, I'll be open. I have a place and I'll be open in six months. Give me your name and number. I'll be open in six months. I lied. I didn't have a place, but I found, I started looking for, I got a broker, I got a place in Manhattan. I literally was open, I think in eight months. I called all those people back.

90% of them didn't know who the hell I was, but 10% did. And 10% came in. And my business on Long Island is doing very well, despite the fact that nobody read the New York Times article, but I was still doing really well there because people were talking. It was all word of mouth, anyway. And believe it or not, my Long Island location supported the rent in Midtown Manhattan, a small little room in Midtown Manhattan. When you were there, Joey, it's much bigger. I expand my. So you've been there since day one? I've been there since day, since year two. I had my business in Manhattan, on last week we were in 97. I opened up the Manhattan location in, because of that New York Times article, I opened up the New York location in 99

in a small room. And then the tuxedo place went out of business next to me. And that's when my book came out. It was perfect timing because that's when the flow of business came in and then I became this media dog. I had my 15 minutes of fame for a while when the book came out. And the rest is history. But it was the New York Times article that led to the book deal. So I didn't seek out a book deal. As a matter of fact, it was funny. I was pretty pretentious at this time, full of piss and vinegar. And I thought my way was the only, and the only way you can do this work out is if you have a trainer. So when they said, let's do a book deal, I'm like, nah, I don't want to do a book deal because you can't do this on

your own. And they talked me into it because they said, well, the principles of lifting weight slowly, the principles of working out hard and not killing yourself, that's universal. That's a principle that you can teach anyone. And you can do this with dumbbells, really. If you think about it, can't you? I'm like, well, that's true. So they had to kind of twist my arm a little bit, believe it or not, to get a book deal, which is kind of weird. That's how full of myself I was, to be honest with you. But anyway, I did it. And I got a lot more press on that point than a lot of media people working out with us in Manhattan. And so what do I get credit for? I think I get credit for popularizing it to bring it to the forefront. As far as the developments of this

pioneering is now that that credit goes to Ken Hutchins, Arthur Jones, and some people before them. Now, when I go to the YMCA, they have free weights, and they have machines. The machines that your facilities offer. Are they handcrafted for specific exercises? Like we spoke about your squat machine. I really enjoyed your squat machine. It wasn't like I was using my back. I was basically, even if it was mediocre weight, because Jonathan was taking a little light on me at three minutes, Jesus fucking Christ. But I think you learned pretty quickly that you're a pretty strong motherfucker. It's weird how are those machines specifically made for your style of training? Yeah, a lot of them are. I mean, that's why- Is that where Ken Hutchins

came in? Exactly, exactly. So Ken Hutchins said, by the way, we're doing all these things biomechanically incorrect, right? He says, you know, there are biomechanics here, people. I mean, muscles have strength curves. They have weak points, and they have strong points. And you shouldn't be overtaxing a muscle at its weak point. And free weights and conventional machines do exactly that. And again, we're trying to avoid joint problems. And a lot of times, the reason we get hurt during exercises is because the weight's too heavy when the joint is at its weakest position. So these machines that Ken Hutchins thought about, and Arthur Jones actually thought about even before him, is that you have to vary the resistance through the range of motion to match

the weaknesses and strengths of that muscle group. So before that, you know, the weight was way too heavy through a range of motion. So now Ken Hutchins says, you know what, we're going to make it lighter here. We're going to make it heavier here and match the strength curve of that muscle and make it much more friendlier for the joint, especially when you're lifting weights slowly. When you lift weights slowly, it really magnifies those differences in the strength curve. So so without getting too technical, bottom line is Ken Hutchins redesigned the original uh, Nautilus machines that Arthur Jones came up with and made it much more smooth and safer for the joints as you went through the range of motion. So yes, if you specialize in this type of technique

of training, the slow lifting, the failure, there are machines out there that that are more accommodating for that. If you work, if you're lucky to work out a place like that, you know, uh, that's great. It's like the Rolls Royce of this type of workout. But like my team at the publisher said, the principle is still the same, right? I mean, there are ways of getting around that, if you know what you're doing. And that's what my book did. I knew no one's going to have access around the country and world. The book ended up being a best seller. So you know, there's a lot of copies of that book out there all over the place. And um, you know, I came up with routines that had nothing to do with my equipment because I knew people weren't going to really have access

to my equipment. So I showed them how you can do it with regular stuff. There are some things you just avoid. You know, you don't want to do a lateral raise straight up like that. It really hurts the shoulder. And that's one of the most popular exercises around and people are doing this all day wrong. You got trainers killing people's shoulders without even knowing it, you know? So we show you how to do that without hurting your shoulders, even with a free weight. So there are little tricks, you know, and so you can just honestly, it's not rocket science, just want to avoid hurting yourself. Like I said at the beginning of the show, you don't want, you want to get fit, but not undermine your health. And part of that health is joint health.

I mean, half the problem, I mean, you know, God forbid cancer is a big one, right? But like after cancer and some of the big ones that really kill you, the next one is like living in pain your whole life with hip problems and back problems and shoulder problems. Who wants to live like that? I mean, you know, a lot of people, a lot of pain. And again, ironically, it's because they were told how to work out a certain way doing jujitsu in the name of exercise. Now jujitsu is great. One of the big things that Ken Hutchins loved to talk about was the distinction between exercise and recreation. And what people do is they end up thinking they're doing something recreational like jujitsu, or something really challenging basketball wrestling, right? These are sports.

Sports were not meant to get you in shape. Sports are sports, it's competition, right? That's fun, it's challenging, there's a lot of benefits to playing sports, but it's not technically good exercise. If your definition of exercise is to get strong and not take any risk, and that's my definition of exercise. That was Ken Hutchins' definition of exercise. He says, exercise to get strong and don't put yourself in any risk. Play sports because you like sports, and you like all the other things that come from sports. But don't confuse the two, don't confuse your exercise with sports and vice versa. So when you're talking about the clean and jerks you were doing and all those Olympic lifts are you doing? Olympic lifts are sport lifts, that's a technique. You know,

for exercise, it's a poor choice for exercise because you're going to hurt yourself doing those Olympic lifts. That's a tough stuff. That's why CrossFit is kind of like more of a sport than to me, than really safe exercise. I look at what's going on today. I look at football. I look at how they shine children away from football. Now, I came from a town where they encouraged football in the first grade. All my friends that come to my shows now have known each other from Pee Wee football. And then you go on to read eagle football and red braider football. And what my hometown does is they teach you those plays. So when you become a freshman, you already have the fundamentals of that play. But along came called the Bruin mentality.

A North Bergen is the second hilliest town in the country behind San Francisco. So every coach you had was hill crazy. I still remember freshman year, this fucking scumbag of a man, Dan Ridden, who if we lost would make us run up and down a certain hill with our hands up. You know, it was barbaric ways of lifting. There were kids that were lifting to get strong and to benefit. And then it was the early 80s where it was an epidemic of syringes. So half of us had to make a decision of who did what. But no matter where you went in my hometown, the workouts were brutal. You know, we'd pile on 300 pounds. There was no science. We kind of used Irish science. But today, I can't shoot a basketball. Today, there's a thousand

things I can't do because I still remember putting 185 and doing behind the next five sets of six. And hearing things popping, but you weren't allowed to complain when I'm from. There was no pain. I remember a time we would make milkshakes with gallons of ice cream and 12 eggs because they're barbarian brothers. Do you remember the barbarian brothers? They were two fucking steroid twins from the 80s that just said that they didn't do steroids. They just ate 36 eggs a day. So here, everybody in America, you'd see people eat and fuck. Everybody's, everybody smelled like fucking farts and everybody was eating raw eggs all day. One of those is the hardballed eggs because of the barbarian brothers. But what we did, looking back on it,

was destroying our bodies, not looking at it. Now it's 2019 and Lee lives in my neighborhood and we'll attest to this. And we could take a ride after this and you'll see it. If once you hit Riverside or Magnolia, once you start going on those after Magnolia, you guys are going to start seeing a bunch of cross fitness gyms with the main one being one on Ventura Boulevard that as you're driving, you see these fucking morons, not even doing the pharma walks. They're doing the one arm pharma walks. And you know, I'm watching, you know, I go online and I see what they're doing and it is amazing. I love kettlebells. But let me tell you something, somewhere along the line, you're going to get hurt with kettlebells because if you see that basic swing, look at the arch of

your spine. Exactly. You nailed it. It doesn't take a fucking genius. And I'm not a kineologist. I didn't take PE and fucking University of Colorado. I'm just telling you by looking and how I felt. Thank you. When I was doing those things, Pavlov, whoever the fuck his name, what's his name? Pavlov's dog. No, what's the fucking guy that did the kettlebells? The hard style kettlebells. It's a Russian. Oh, the Russian guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He made one great point. If you read what he read, he read kettlebells are designed not to burn you out, but to make you feel like you did something. In other words, he has it like this shit of 10 sets of 10 swings in 10 minutes and then 16 sets of cleans. That wasn't his intention. That's with us as greedy

Americans. Be number one. Added to it. Whatever his name wanted you to do, three sets of 12, maybe three sets of 10 cleans and maybe four techish getups. And that was it. It wasn't meant to destroy you. It was meant to bring your muscles to be alive, to annotate the blood in your muscles. And that was it. But I think somewhere as us as Americans, we've abused this in the next 20 years. The injuries from CrossFit are going to be these kids are not going to be able to wipe their asses. We're going backwards. We're going back. And that's what made me when I read your page, your book, I read the pure strength pamphlet. I said, wow, we're onto something. Yeah, that's where you're working at. It's pure strength. I mean, like you said, it's a small little place.

I mean, meanwhile, there's CrossFit all over the place. I mean, it drives me crazy. I will get in the car with you and you go, Joey, no, no, it isn't. I will show you just on cofax. There's two in the same center. So while you're waiting for the left to change on Ventura, you'll see them running upstairs with farmers walks. And they go back and forth. Once you hook that left, no exaggeration, 30 yards, it's called something Lee, the Kettlebell Kingdom. Two floors. I mean, listen, you got to do a lot of swinging to keep those lights on. You know what I'm saying? There better be a lot of motherfuckers swinging. Will you ever see our narcos? Mexico? I know the show. Did you see Narcos Mexico? The episode of Narcos Mexico, the guy was saving

the farm and he lost his eye. So at the first meeting with the gangsters, he goes, what did you guys do? You guys just let them take the weave from you and the guy raises his hands. He goes, Senor, I lost an eye. And he goes, yeah, well, I see a lot of motherfuckers here with two eyes. You know, you could, it's amazing. And you'll be driving on Ventura. And when it gets to be 99 on those days, because in LA, it's 89 at lunchtime. It's bearable. It's 330. So it's like you get in your car and it says 108. And then you drive a little bit and it's 99 or 100. Drive on Ventura at 330 and see what you see when you make that left. You're going to go wait until the lawsuit start coming in. You know, they got them walking up and downstairs,

running down Ventura, farmer walks, doing this shit while they're running with fucking kettle bells. You know, it is and you look at it now as a 56 year old. I'm like, then I get nowhere. They're killing themselves to live. Yeah. But if I tell them, if I tell somebody that believes in that. Oh, yeah, you have an argument. People going to send me a thousand things and call me a fat fucking saying this stuff. Well, so Joey, like what, what about Adam appeal to you? Because like, as someone who has every, every workout class and every gym, always say, well, we're, we're changing the game and this is different. And, and everyone has like that, like claim and some of them suck and some of them are great. Like what about his, I think really

you for yelping people. I don't believe in Yelp. Yelp could suck my dick. Yeah. A lady comes in and works out with Jonathan. She really wants to suck his dick. So Jonathan is great. But then I go see Jonathan. He sucks ass. I don't want it. I took the style of working out and I just googled it and googled it and where they did it and the results where results I wanted. It took away the beginnings of diabetes to because of the weight training and the rise of insulin. It plays into that game. You also lost our weight. It played in the game of lowering your blood pressure. What's the first thing they tell you? Not God forbid anybody in this room. What's the first thing they tell you when your grandpa gets a heart attack? He made it

because he was strong. What did they just tell you? They didn't tell you he made it because he could run from here the month of Zoom as we get revenge. You know, thank God he made those runs every day. They really saved his life. They always say that to you. He made it because he was strong. I knew him taking out the garbage would do it all those years, whatever the fuck. Strength is big. Yeah, you know what I think to help you answer the question is that it's down to its basic common denominator. It's stripped down. It's actually stripped down to what you're supposed to do the purpose of and that rings true to a lot of people. When you say exercise is just about getting strong, like you just said, it's not about being able to run to month of Zoom. It's

being strong. That's what saves your life. For me, the message is very clear. Let's get all this bells and whistles stuff and kettle bells and different techniques and killing yourself and working out really hard. Yes, working out hard is important. You've got to push yourself, but why push yourself to get hurt? That's a very simple question that can be easily fixed. Just work out hard. Yes, work out hard, but just do it in a safe way so you don't pay the price later. That's all we're saying. That's all Ken Hutchins said and that rang true with me because I'm licking my wounds and Joey, you're licking your wounds and you've been there, done that and then you have Ira in your in your head. He's like, Hey, well, my ad one coach that told me not to do

it because the intuition has been there. And way before Ira in 1980, I think you said it was around. But there was this Bob Hoffman, a bodybuilder called Bob Hoffman wrote an article. Don't quote me on this, but I think it was like 1962. 1962 Bob Hoffman wrote an article in one of the strength magazines talking about lifting weights slowly. You know, again, the intuition has been there about lifting weights slowly and slave safely to really fatigue a muscle. This is not hard stuff to get around. And then you ask yourself, Well, if just fatiguing the muscle is what it's all about, then why are we doing all those other things? Why are we doing three sets of 10 and 15 different ways that are going to compromise the joints when it's not necessary when people are getting just

as strong working out once a week for 20 minutes? I mean, the proof is in the pudding. You can work out three days a week, four days a week versus once a week, the way we prescribe. And people aren't getting four times stronger than our clients. I mean, if you're going to work out four times isn't long, you better have four times results, but not even close. You know, maybe maybe one and a half times results, but but at what risk? So, you know, I kind of feel that our workout is not so much about this great scientific discovery, because we've all known you have to work out hard. What I think was great about this workout, it's about risk management. That's what we're finally taking into account. Nobody takes into account the risk associated with a stimulus like exercise,

a very powerful stimulus exercises, and it can do as much harm as it can do good. And when you know, if you respect exercise for the fact that it can do harm and it can do good, when you start to respect it and say, how do we get the most out of it without hurting ourselves? This is what it becomes. It becomes lifting weight slowly once or twice a week. And I don't know, everything else kind of pales in comparison until something even more efficient or safe even comes along. So, I'm open for more suggestions. It's crazy. The first three or four weeks, I was like, this is bullshit. I just got duped. And then something started to happen. I would walk out of there. I feel like a fucking bus. The walk to the car was like shit was moving. I'll never forget being

on a light one day in my Subaru and my form just started quivering and I was like, and then I went another month. I signed up for another month. What the fuck? And that month, you know, now I couldn't go to box on Tuesday mornings. She's Christ. I can't fucking, and God forbid you don't do something Wednesday because of the tax or even more. You're like, what did I fucking do? I did these things with my legs and I did 20 minutes, pushed them in and I pulled down on something and I turned on something and I can't fucking move. I got to go to the Chinese lady and happy hands over here. The best massage 40 bucks. I took lead. No hand job. Not like that. Legit. Legit. Legit. They've soaked your feet. Nicest

people. I got a punch card and everything that's tremendous. You get a free one after 10. That's why you brought me to get the free one. I took them because I wanted him to experience it. It's a nice little afternoon thing, but all jokes aside, it was rough. I couldn't. It was either going and I started when I did it for a one time for two months, one time a week for two months, and then I said, I got to jump on this, but I tell you what made me a believer afterward, the breathing. I liked the breathing and I liked it when, you know, when you go to a gym, I got to hear fucking background music or fucking rig a tone. You know, one of the 10 gyms really has on what you want. You guys didn't have that. You guys have yourself to listen to and that's

really different when there's no bells, there's no whistles and you're really listening to your body. That also came from Ken Hutchins, by the way. That is the most brilliant part of that workout. I incorporate that workout Mondays and Thursdays. I want my Mondays to start in my head. While I'm working out, we really don't have one night. When you and I were working our job, we talked, but we kept it, you know, and the other thing is that it's what America is praising today. If you talk to every exercise specialist, they're talking to you about it, about doing three minutes, resting 30 seconds, you know, the first couple of times you do the squat at your place, you need a couple fucking minute rest, but the more consistent I get,

now I'm turning this into a hip program. I'm going from there to the benching, to the benching, to the pulling, to the fucking v-things, to the back machine, and now you're turning into this and you know what? It's funny. Like I think I looked at one of your web pages and one of your videos on YouTube and there's a joke. The guy's like, why is he working out with his suit? Bitch, because you don't even break a sweat, you dumb motherfucker. You just know that you've been hit. People like to make a break. We literally have these businessmen in Manhattan coming in. They loosen their tie, they take their sports jacket off, and they work out just like that. And you know, people make fun of us for that. Like it must be some kind of pussy workout or something like

that. And we laugh back in their face like you just said, you know? Yeah, we're actually working out. We don't have to break a sweat, but we're getting just as strong as you are, motherfucker, right? And you all, you're spending hours. You walk out of there and right now I'm walking around around 294. When I joined the program, I was about 292. I'm sure, you know, they do a BMI test over at the strength and she, I have put on muscle. I've lost fat. You know, any, listen, I'm over 50. I got a child. I got 1000 things on my plate. I wish I could go to jujitsu for three hours a week. I wish a kickbox for two hours a week. I'm 56 recovery is a lot. And this is where this exercise, this exercise, this program also stresses two things that America loves and

that's rest and recovery. If I signed up, if I moved to New York tomorrow and I come see you know, I had a million dollars and I said to you, coach, I'm ready. You'd say, Joey, I'd love to take your fucking money. But for you to see the results, how about I see you Monday and maybe Thursday and I'll switch up the result for you and then we'll see where you go from there. I love to take your money. I love people who say, I'm going to go see Josh, John, five days this week. Bitch, you're coming, you're coming to wheelchair. My front four, my Thursday, you're like, today, I could just do the pull down up to here. You can't do this. You can't. You, why is the recovery from this type of exercise so important? Why do you stress? Well, it's intense. I mean, you're,

what does it do to your muscle that bodybuilding doesn't do? For example, like if I was a bodybuilder, bodybuilders go push Monday, pull Tuesday, Wednesday off, push Monday, pull Tuesday, Friday and Saturday off, Sunday, the steroids kick in. You go down the shore, you come back, you look in the mirror, you're like, I'm bigger than ever because I didn't lift the last two weight days and you just realized I recovered. There's a couple of things going on bodybuilders. First of all, bodybuilders gravitate to bodybuilding because they have a natural inclination to get big. They see it. So they gravitate towards it. We all gravitate to things that we're good at. So early on, bodybuilders usually find that they're good at weightlifting,

something draws them to it. Secondly, they have the body type that happens to do well under a lot of exercise. There are genotypes, there are genetic profiles of people. And there's lots of genetic markers that and if you have the royal flush of genetic markers, you could work out almost every day and get bigger and bigger and bigger. And then of course, like you said, if the steroids involve which improves recovery ability, your natural recovery ability, you can even work out more and get bigger. But the thing is, if you don't have that genetics, doesn't matter what you do, you're not going to get big like those guys. And for most of us, because that genotype, the bodybuilder genotype is rare. It's very rare. Unless you're hanging out at a gold gym, it seems

like they're all around you. But like in the real world, those types of body types, they've kind of evolution, actually, millions of years of evolution, kind of, they're a rare type because they didn't survive very well in famines. They need too much energy to support all that muscle. But anyway, most of us need that rest and recovery. When we work out this deeply, there is a natural recovery process that we underestimate. We think more is better. We think if we're not sore anymore, we're ready to go. But just because soreness goes away doesn't mean that the building process of muscle has ended. You still need more time. Think about getting a cut, a scrape. It doesn't heal overnight. I mean, you get a scrape, it's not bleeding anymore. There's a scab on it. But

what if you pick at that scab all the time? It's not going to heal. But if you leave it alone, even though it's not sore anymore, it might be a scab there, it doesn't hurt anymore, it's not sensitive, it doesn't itch. But it's still healing. It's still going to take a couple weeks to heal. Well, the biological process of healing a scab or a cut is very similar to rebuilding a muscle after you've fatigued it very deeply. So just because the soreness goes away, there's two, three, four, or five more steps that the body goes through to build that muscle up. And you don't want to break down the muscle before it's had a chance to build all the way up. And when we work out too much, we end up picking at that scab and we never let the muscle reach

its full potential. And we delay the process of getting stronger. So actually, you know, again, we look at the strength levels. If you're getting stronger working out once a week, week after week after week, I can keep raising your weights and you keep getting stronger. Why add more to it when once a week is working fine, you're getting stronger, we're measuring it. Is this program extra effective for professional athletes who have a long season and are getting hurt and their bodies are almost at the end of the season, stuff like that? Slowly and surely the athletic trainers of the professional teams and college teams are starting to recognize this, you know, keep them safe, this risk management attitude. And they are slowly

breaking out of that jock mentality of just hitting a weight room at all costs with all types of methods. Slowly, I think they would, I think athletes would benefit from less wear and tear in a weight room because they're already going through wear and tear for their sport. So I've always said that, you know, again, Ken Hutchins and Arthur Jones, they, you know, way before me have said the same thing that, you know, you put an athlete in a weight room, you're turning them into weight trainers, not not the athlete that they're supposed to be, you know, so take basketball. So if you're if a basketball player is in a weight room all the time, you're turning them into a weight lift or not a basketball player, you got to get these guys strong as safely as possible

and then let them play their sport, develop the skills to play their sport. You know, that's the new paradigm for, for athletic athletes and everything. And slowly but surely they're, they're picking up on it, but not fast enough. There's still so many athletes over training and getting hurt. They're not, they're not putting the pieces together, not realizing that one of the reasons they're getting hurt so much is because they're over training in the gym and they're doing too much and not allowing enough recovery. It's too bad. You know, I, I didn't have a weight problem. I moved to LA. I focused on comedy and I strayed from the gym, but I always liked lifting weights and I could tell the difference and what I'm lifting then

and what I'm lifting now and I could see the wasted movement. A curl, for example, you know, 40% of it is wasted movement. After a certain thing, you don't even feel the muscle getting stimulated. You're giving the muscle time to breathe and then you're going back up again. With, with your system, we don't specialize in curls. We have a pull down and at the end, the pull down, when you contract, you bet your ass, you feel those biceps. Are they going to have a fucking cable coming out of them like Rocky Balboa? No, but the strength is increasing. What I found from this program, the most beneficial was for me was, A, there was a plateau I had with it or it started giving me anxiety. Okay. And I narrowed it down

to my breathing. The breathing had a beat just right when, especially on the squat, I would go there. It started to become me going there thinking to myself, is this the day I pass out on a squat machine because the anxiety is brutal to really do three minutes of some max weight. That last 30 seconds, your heart's pumping, you know, your, your, your thighs are on fire. That one muscle in your side of your leg by your calf is on fire, your feet, but you're focusing on your breathing. I suffer from sleep apnea. And they did a research a couple of years ago that people suffer from sleep apnea. The cancer rates were going up because of lack of oxygen. And lack of sleep. And lack of sleep is a motherfucker. Sleep is very healing.

That'll kill you. That'll kill you more than oxycontin. If you ain't sleeping, I know for a fact, because I lived as a non-sleeper and now I live by somebody who logs their sleep hours. I log sleep hours. At the end of the month, I have to take a discount of my machine and send it to a lab. In fact, they've gotten so ahead of the game, they send me an email. And the email tells you what nights you slept dehydrated. Like, uh, last night, I'm not going to lie, nobody. I got 37 and I had a beer. Well, you saw guns and I'm sure that will come out in that report that because there was alcohol in my system. I was a little dehydrated. I drank 92 waters after that beer and half a fucking margarita. We lie. I had a half a margarita. I had 20 weight watcher points

left though. What's wrong with a half a margarita? It's good for the soul. 25 milligrams. 25. That was light, Jack. But it's, uh, I really enjoyed your gym in New York. Uh, when you think of it, you know, if you're living in California or Arizona or whatever, I really, really advise you to stop by and say hello to Adam or John or one of the other trainers with a crazy blonde at the front desk. And that's who I love to death. And I'll tell you why. I was, you know, everything about New York says intimidation. And guess what? I walked those streets with a gun, without a gun for 20 fucking years. I walked from 20th to 88th street back. I can't tell you how many people I've seen mugged on the eight train express and the regular one.

And still till this day, I'm intimidated when I walk into New York. You know how much courage it took for me to have to call. I just asked Mrs. G. I said, who's the cat? Who's the motherfucker in charge in New York at doing this shit? As she said, the king of swing over on 51st street, but there's a joint in Jersey, but I would have had to take 18 rides down there. And I didn't like their web page, their web page. It looks like you might fall asleep. And next thing you know, you're on Jeffrey Epstein's Island by mistake. I'm saying, doing jumping jacks in front of a bunch of senators on their website and senators clapping for you. I don't know. It was a Chinese guy. He had blurred eyes. I don't trust that shit. I want to see the eyeballs.

You know what I'm saying? Why are you teaching this poor old man how to do squat in your face is blacked out. It's like, it looked like the FBI surveillance photo is some shit. Like in Short Hills, New Jersey. She told me to go see you. I went up there. I took an Uber. As I went up the stairs, I shipped my pants. And when I walked in, I was home. Oh, you had the little waiting area. You had a little margarita bar, whatever the fuck you got there selling fucking smoothies and shit. Everybody was very, you know, you took my guard away. Like I was expecting to go up there and go, oh, it's you. Sit down. Some of you'll be with you in five minutes and then some guy would come out with a cigarette and go, you ready, kid?

And then you go back to his 18 assholes. No, in fact, it was, uh, it was like going to acupuncture and lifting weights. You know, all I needed was the Chinese flu in the back to make me feel even warmer. And, uh, it was no, it was, listen, that's some fat people in America and people who are out of shape on America are not fat because it's their choice. It's heavy and set and whatever. I don't mean to insult anybody. It's the fear. It's the fear. It's the fear. If you've never gone to a pool and seen a 500 guy man with a t-shirt on at the pool in the water, you feel for him if you have any type of compassion, but you also get angry at him because you know there's help. He's just a drug addict in a different way, just like I was. You know, I look at my six-year-old

daughter. I got a chaser from time to time. What am I going to do if I can't fucking chase her? So comedy, let me tell you something, my friend. I went to see Guns N' Roses last night. They did a three-hour rehearsal. They're all over 50, right? They did a three-hour rehearsal, then they played for three hours. When I had Duff McKagan on here, Duff McKagan goes to kickboxing five days a week with Benny. Benny the Jet, whatever his fucking name is. When you saw him running around that stage, you saw what it required. If you don't think the Stones have somebody doing jumping jacks at them and push-ups at the edge at 70, you're mistaken. When I did grudge match with De Niro, he had his own personal trainer and for De Niro to be De Niro, he has to

work out five days a week for an hour, all calisthenics and pull-ups and stuff like that. So for me to do what I want to do on stage and not have a heart attack, this is the best thing I could ever do. No, I'm not going anywhere. This is part of my routine. I don't sweat going down there no more. I know that my legs are going to shake a little bit and I know that I'll go Thursday and then get on a plane. So I'll stretch really well and then get on a plane at least. You know, the only thing that people don't understand about this program is that when you put it into your Weight Watcher app, you only get four points and you go, what the fuck is this? But in reality, you're really burning 10,000 points because a lot of people don't know about exercising. It's like

swimming. Yeah, but swimming burns the most calories while you swim. That's correct word, bitch, while you swim. What happens when you jump out of the water? Your metabolism stops with your method of weightlifting. I know my metabolism is fucking gone. Anything that pushes your use to the max, you know, when you're swimming slow and steady, you're not pushing yourself to the max. So it's about pushing yourself to the max and that's what we're doing. We're taking your muscles so they have nothing left and that has very profound effects when you do that. Now is this with proper diet, you see big weight losses so far, you guys? Yeah, proper diet is the key word. Well, especially living in New York. I mean,

living in New York is a tough way to get a diet, but New York isn't the old New York. You're getting off with a lot of options now in New York. A lot of options if you don't want to be a fat fuck, you know, I would go up to your neighbor and I'd walk, you know, even though my hotel was on 36th Street, I'd leave your place and walk just to add to it. No, I'm not gonna lie to you, I always gotta get a slice. And then if I didn't get a slice two doors down, there was a smoothie joint in the back. You got a PJ Clarks? Where was that? That's the ham, that's the famous hamburger joint, a block away. No, next time. Next time I go away. I would go to the street and head down and three doors down. There's a smoothie place. It's like a kitchen in the front,

but when you walk into the back, check back there making smoothies and she'd give me protein with little pineapple coconut water. Very nice. Not too much sugar from the fucking pineapple. Pineapple's got anti-inflammatory things that knock down, so I would take care of myself when I go see, you know what I'm saying? What do you have to tell me? Anything you want to drop on me? I do want to drop something with you though. What do you got? I got you a gift. You did? Yeah, your last, you're talking, you know, Rick O'Casey died, you know, as you talked about on your last show. Yeah. And you said you love that second album and I was at Omibia and I got you there. Second album. Oh, you're fucking beautiful. And look what I had on. I know. I heard it when I

walked in. I didn't want to say anything. I heard it when I came in, but I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to give away the surprise. Thank you very, very much. I will. Rick O'Casey rests in peace. Did you see him around the city? No, I didn't see him around the city, but you know, I was a big Cars fan. I remember you joking around. No one let you play cars in their house or their car. And like you were like, fuck you, the cars are a great band and they are a great band. I loved them and it brings, you know, I hear the cars that brings me back to my youth and really good memories of summer camp and everything. You know, I grew up with Jewish parents, so they, they send you away to summer camp every year. So like I have, you know, these great memories of

listening to the cars in summer camp and yeah, this band and when I heard he died, I shed a tear. I shed a tear last Sunday. I was sitting there watching football and somebody sent me a message. I was like, wow, like it's crazy when our heroes die. You'd be like, how can Rick O'Casey die? Like, you know, how can, but he did forget, you know, we were listening. We were, you know, we were, you and I are more or less the same age. I was, yeah, freshman in high school, maybe when it went down. I'm a little bit younger than you. So I was like, I was my last year of summer camp, you know, right before I stopped going to summer camp and that was the album that I was playing. Where can they find your book at brother? Anywhere. Power of 10. Google it, Amazon,

anywhere. You have it on the website also. Sure. My website, I have a podcast if you want to hear more about this and get into the weeds a little bit about the exercise science and all the stuff behind it. Here are the interviews with some of these incredible people out there that, you know, I'm not, I'm not the sole pioneer with this. I'm not the sole proselytizer. A lot of people that are, that are jumping on this bandwagon and understanding what we're doing here. And you know, quite honestly, when you told me your story, I don't get sick of hearing it. The reason I got into this business because of people like you that didn't know that you shouldn't be doing anything else. You know, you need to do this to stay strong and not get hurt. And there's a lot

of people like that. It's not about sports. Then it's just about getting strong and, you know, that's what it's all about. No, it's, I think that, you know, I look at the insurance in this country and you just can't grow older anymore in this country when you're in your 20. I mean, that, there was a question I wanted to ask you before we tape off. What are the differences between the person who's 20 and the benefits of a guy like me that walked into your gym? If I'm a 25 year old guy that's never touched a weight before, what benefits do I gain right off the top? I know what I gain is a 56 year old. My dick is harder than Chinese arithmetic, you know what I'm saying? That's a good question. I'm sorry to place it like that. I know you have

a lot of people, professionals who are listening, but there's a lot of guys my age who suffer from erectile dysfunction. It's important. And it's important. Hey, listen, I just got fucking hearing aids. Can I go without my ears? You can chuck them both off. In fact, take an eye while you're at it and take my fingers, but let the fucking main thing I'm on this world still work to the end of time. You know what I'm saying? And I think that adding that blood to your legs and that, you know, I know that bulky is when you walk into your gym, first thing you do is to squat, you know, to loosen everything up and it releases. To get it over with. To get it over with, yeah. You release THC. No, no, release TGF, ACH into your stream,

which helps you burn down more metabolism and stuff like that. There's a whole cascade of great things that happen. Unbelievable. If you work out hard. What is the difference? What are the effects on a 25 year old to say on a 56 year old piece of shit like myself? That's a good question. I mean, I just say to my, it makes me think about, I wish I knew about this when I was 25 years old or even younger. I would have gotten, I would have gotten as strong as I was back then, but I went, I mean, I had back surgery because of working out the crazy doing dead lifts and all that kind of crazy high force activity. And I've been basically suffering with back pain ever since I was a teenager. And again, you know, a 25 year old that understands

that you can work out really hard and get strong as shit and safely. They don't have to work, they don't have to have to suffer with the injuries that us old farts are dealing with now. And that, that's what they can benefit from this. There's no workout that's going to do better for them just because at 25 years old, you got to work out hard. You got to, they might have faster recovery ability, right? So if you're 25 years old, you heal faster. So maybe they can work out a little bit more often, but it's not like they're doing this every day either. Even if you're 25, you still can't sustain this, you know, every single day. So maybe they can come twice a week, you know, and get the benefits from it. But outside of just maybe being able to do it a little bit

more often, the biggest gain that they get from this is learning that they don't have to kill themselves again to shape and they can, they can lead a pain free life for their whole life. And that's a, that's a huge thing. I mean, I've suffered with my back over the years. I've suffered. I mean spasms and bedridden and pain on a regular basis. And it wasn't until I started doing the lower back extensions and changing my diet to a more of an anti-inflammatory diet. I can't handle sugar at all or else my back starts hurting. You know, so between an anti-inflammatory diet and working out safely and not fucking my back up in the process while I work out, you know, I would do anything to be 21 years old again, and not do those deadlifts like I did and do it

this way instead. When are you still working on yourself still? You look great. Thank you. Oh, yeah, of course. Once a week. Once twice a week. You know, I have my little routine that I do. John trains you. John, John's so damn busy. They're all so busy. I can't get anyone to train me. They'll make me pay them. I really, I really, they're like, they're like, we're expensive out. I mean, you all train you, but you have to pay the session fee. You know, no free sessions, man. No, there's no fucking free in my world, bitch. This is, I really enjoy reading your book. I'm happy it opened up my eyes and it reminded me of this style of lifting. It's been 15 months. I feel great. I'm stronger. My posture is insane. After two shows a night, you know, when you,

I used to go back to the room and have to stretch out my hips. I don't have hip problems at all, but things feel tight ever since I've been doing the squats, my strength, my strength on stage. You know, I saw it. I feel it when I'm on stage. Sometimes I used to make a move on the stage and I'd have to stop because I get an anxiety attack. The, the squats also helped me get off the fight or flight. What's that called? Fight or flight? Yeah. Fight or flight response. Because first couple of times I was like, I got to stop. Like that's it. Now to get up and rest and I get dizzy and then you're like, what do I pay this money for? Not to get dizzy. I have to breathe this out. The breathing is so important. The breathing will get you an extra one or two reps

when you're fucking like Jesus Christ. Oh, fuck. And you just keep breathing and that. You know, you bring up a good point because you were saying how the first couple of times you thought it was bullshit because, you know, you're finding our range. We're finding you. Well, exactly. It's like three fucking dates. This is high intensity. It's like three dates. This is safe exercise, right? This is safe, but it's hard. So like, you don't just like take somebody off the street the first time and kick their ass. I mean, I've done that and I've lost them. They don't come back. They won't come back. You know, but then again, you take the risk of saying, listen, we're going to take it easy the first couple of times, learn the technique, learn how to

breathe. Learn how to breathe. And then they walk out, they don't feel anything and they don't come back. So you have to kind of get their attention, but not too much, you know, because you don't want to hurt them and discourage them. So there's this fine line between getting them to feel, wow, that was cool. That was different. I can see myself doing this and not killing them the first time. So you probably, they would, they probably took it easy on you the first time, you know, and, you know, you, maybe they could have pushed you a little bit harder to make you feel like, you know, but you stuck it out and now you know, now you know. Well, I'm happy. I'm happy that you guys are running a great little establishment in New

York. I want, if anybody listens to this and they have a parent or mom, because when Ken started this, he started this with a bunch of women. Yeah, I suppose this project to the University of Florida. You did your homework, man. Yeah, man. I don't fuck around. He started this to see the bone growth on older people. That's where he started this. He just said, where are there, where are there a bunch of old people who are weak, Florida? And he started this thing and that's where he saw the growth. So if you have a parent, an uncle, somebody you see who's falling behind the wayside, if you're in the New York City area, it's never too late either. No, we have a client in New York. She's 95. Dear Betty, there's a video of her on our website. She's 96 now.

How many days a week? Once. That's all she needs. I mean, it's a trek for her to get to us too. I mean, for a 95 year old lady to come all the way across town, it's work for her. That's what she does for the day. She comes to us, she works out, she goes home. That's her activity for the day. Well, I was really happy that you came on today because I want to tell you about your system. I didn't tell this to the church. Yeah, I got the hearing aids this week and it's good. I'm getting older. But about a year ago, I went for a physical when he said that my heart was a little weird. Then this, right before I went to see you guys, I went for a physical like a week before I met you guys. I finally went to see my heart doctor and he had done a bunch of things that he

goes, I don't know why. Now, when I went to see you guys, I had been doing it. It was April, about eight months, this program. So I came back from seeing you guys and then that's when they they did the ink. That's what it was. They did the ink shit. No, before I left and I couldn't get the results because the many saints have called me in that quickly. So for three weeks, when I went to see you guys, I'm like, let's take it a little easy just in case. And I was, you know, I walked a lot and the whole thing. And when I came back, the guy goes, listen, I looked at your EKG or whatever. He just missed saw a bump. But looking from my thing now, your heart hasn't gotten any worse. You know, they say sleep apnea, put a big strain on my heart, you know, over the years.

And he goes, it doesn't look as bad as it did a couple of years ago. And I told him, I've been lifting and working out. He went into this whole thing about lifting over 40 and getting ready for your fifties is golden. He goes, because that's the high heart attack. He goes, if you make it to 60, if you don't, you know, he's a fucking wild guy, this guy, he goes, if you don't make it to 60 and you don't start doing blue out of the, don't start doing coke out of the blue, because if you hit 60, you hit 70. He goes, my experiences is between the 50 and 60 mark. So I could see that the results are in guys. So there you have it. Amen. Where's their address to you? 201 East 56th Street in Manhattan. Nice. And we have one of poor Washington, Long Island.

I was gonna say, do you tell me the other one? Poor Washington, Long Island. We got a couple in Virginia and all trained by you. Certainly in California. Yep. Where's the one in Northern California? We got one in Sonoma. Really? Inform Fitness Sonoma. Sonoma. Yeah. Rohnert Park. There you go. You can drink wine and lift weights. It sucks. It's no excuse. Well, thank you very much for having me. And the website is informfitness.com. That's it. It's that simple. And if you're not available, ask for the fucking the air to the throne right there. He is. He is. He's the air to the throne. He's got a haircut now. He's ready. He's ready. He might be like John Gotti. He might shoot you having a steak at Sparks. He's your biggest fan, you know? No, I know he's my brother.

He took care of me in New York. I appreciate you guys coming on, explaining your love and magic. Thank you, man. For what you do. Don't forget, cocksuckers, you got five days to Chicago. We'll lighten the city on fire. I spoke to Josh Pacini from 10th Planet. He's picking me up. Even though I'm taking care of my heart, my heart could suck my dick when I'm in Chicago. Because you always got to get a hot beef sandwich with a sausage in the middle. Or you ain't shit. And you got to stop by the Pollocks and get a few pierogies too. So I'll see you savages. Friday night, Chicago. Two weeks, the Uptown Theater in Kansas City. And the following night on the 12th of October, they just added a show at the Denver Paramount. It's a 930 show, whatever. Do what you need to do.

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