Uncle Joey's Joint with Joey Diaz - #814 - David Schuler of "The Bad Dreamers"

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

David Schuler, a grammy nominated singer, songwriter and composer, joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt live in studio. David also created the new theme music for The Church of What's Happening Now and can be heard with his group, "The Bad Dreamers." This podcast is brought to you by:       Manscaped - Get 20% off your first order at www.manscaped.com/church20   CBD Lion - For all of your CBD needs, from shatter to gummies, go to  and use code CHURCH for 20% off.  www.CBDLion.com                                                                                          

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oh shit it's Wednesday with Donna bare bones in his fucking studio look at this it's like a fucking detention center in here I wouldn't want any other way honestly you come into a room like this usually you see Mexican kids wrapped up in aluminum foil but it's just us today it's Wednesday and in studio is my man David Shula if you love listen let me tell you the fucking story right just so you fucking knuckleheads knock at the fuck off right cuz it's getting it's just never it never ends never ends never ends and I think COVID is making people dumb I think that's cuz I'm getting dumb as I'm getting shit yeah

forgetting lunches you know it's viral you take a shower you don't shave you they took a shower and I went into the shade I came out I look like fucking then I go what the fuck did I take a shower for was the shades and I forgot the fucking shave David Shula's a composer songwriter two-time Grammy nominated pink you know fucking John legend the whole fucking deal so I like music guys you know I don't know about you motherfucker's you know Lee I was raised on disco I don't give a fuck I like music alright I like all types of music down the summer Pavarotti it's it's art it's art I appreciate it you know the

only thing I don't like is that rigatone music that shit drives me fucking bananas but beside that you got my attention everywhere else when I can't you know when we start this podcast I wanted to show you guys where I came from I wanted to show you the Iron Maidens with the original Singapore Diano yeah I want to show you Judas Priest even though but the thing is gay well he's a bad motherfucker who gives a fuck if he sucks dick or he sucks ass it's he's he's still singing he's saying whatever and he sings great so whatever he's sucking you better get to it because you can't sing you know I'm saying at least the gay guy can say

you know I just grew up listening to Spanish music you know soul music fucking gospel music I always gave everything a chance yeah so when we came on the podcast Mondays was always Tony Bennett I respect with the spirits and then we turn on different songs and blah blah blah but YouTube would flag us for sure YouTube a ball busting motherfuckers yep YouTube you know every two weeks I've got a fucking red I go on my Google emails and I get 20 fucking copyright infringement yeah fucking YouTube and people don't get it that you want to play music if it was up to me I'd play fucking just music and talk about it

sure though you know I do these videos at night they're done because I play music yeah like when I will just anything let's up and claim that already boom yeah that's it even on a picture yeah no not on Patreon on YouTube they yank your videos if you play music so Instagram starting to do it yeah people just don't get it Russell Peters is here yeah and he said one night he was doing Instagram live he was DJ yeah they shut him down they'll do this yeah so people stop with the fucking music you know you get these emails what what's your favorite sparking song how old are we 13 I spoke to anything what is wrong

with you who raised you who asked these type of questions press play yeah like what do you listen to when you get high when I'm pissing in the morning a fucking song pops into my motherfucking head and whatever that song is as I'm making coffee I'm getting fired up you know and it could be anything it's just something I'm thinking about and it could be somebody like it could be a shitty band somebody I'm not even into you know today I listen to heaven tonight I don't like fucking cheap trick wow correct me heaven tonight nobody remembers heaven tonight everybody knows cheap trick live from Buddha God yeah I

just wanted to hear heaven tonight I couldn't put it out because people don't like that type of music yeah they're gonna go you know what is this Joey nobody's heard of that side of cheap trick sure you know so you can't that's what I felt like listening to that's when I woke up boom boom I had to be the movies were coming over at fucking nine so I got up and was ready for movies and the thing was supposed to get there yesterday and never showed so my wife was driving me crazy all fucking night are they gonna show are they gonna show she kept going outside pull your car

the driveway take it out of the driveway I almost fucking stabbed I had to get the gun and go out there ten times in and out with the fucking guy because his creepy people never listen there was a guy last night at 12 30 I saw him I saw him I went outside to pull the car out some guy would like a thong on on a skateboard oh dog it's time to go dog if I would have had a net I would have chased him and fucking put him in the net if I would have had a hole like I'm telling you I'm up to a difference this COVID doesn't even make me fuck with flies no more I'm ready to torture a human like put them in a hole like that

dude that the dude did the chubby chicks and silence of the lambs oh yeah like that dude just wants to be in a hole yeah like that dude with the skateboarding it was size 13 it wasn't a thong what was it what do you call those bikini shorts speed up speed up well 30 it sounds like it sounds like it's burnt do I need that no I need that if I was me 20 years ago I would have run that guy over but now you got cameras you got satellites you got dense they look at the body shop I'll run them over take it to our medium body shop don't never find that fucking car again in the same you know you're a vigilante superhero I

can't take it no more how do you have a fucking speedo on what if you fall you know straight in these I ride a bike I get jeans on like a soldier you think I want to ride ride a bike with jeans no but I'm not scraping my knees like some fucking hooker who got caught giving a blow job behind an alley in the Chinese chef kicks her in the stomach she's got bloody knees anyway so my point is we need a new music one of my agents contacted me and he said that one of his good friends from Rochester it's a bad motherfuck and he put a song together for us and now the song that you hear when the church comes on was put

together by my man mr. David Shewell he read into my heart he put everything I he is a smart man see he listened to everything I put on he goes I'm gonna find something in between that we got the chick we got the machine gun we got everything yeah we got motherfucker we got motherfucker you know these are things that come from my heart you know they live in my heart motherfucker those type of words and then you blow my mind because you do something that I always have wondered like just now I was driving over here and it was one of Prince's early hits I want to be one that's probably my favorite and he wrote

that yep as because he was in love with Patrice Russian oh wow like that was his way of yeah giving it to Patrice Russian whatever you know yeah send me forget me yeah shit I don't fuck the wife sit down you know what I'm in love with the white chick at the weed store you know she's a cute little girl right but if I was to be a fucking young stud like if I was 24 I would ask that girl out but how would I write a song sure how would I write a fucking song yeah I wanted a fire I don't even know where to start I have a hard time writing jokes that's why music has always been very interesting to me I love the music and

reading about how it came to be how yeah somebody woke up to Steven Tyler sure playing the piano dream on yeah something like that he said kept he playing that you know how does it work give me the system from A to Z I mean man I feel like I can imagine it's probably similar to writing jokes in the sense that you know every joke kind of happens in a different way I bet you know it comes from some place I mean the the medium is different because you know you have to you're speaking through not only with lyrics of course with your words but you're trying to make instruments say what you're trying to say

with your vocabulary right so you know just knowing it in the context of this show I've been listening for years I know the shit that you would play at the top of the show you know the Tony Bennett thing was obviously like it was a tradition but I grew up you know like I when I first started playing guitar when I was 12 or 13 years old you know I was listening to kill them all and and justice for all that that was the shit that I loved I was convinced when I was a teenager that when I'm when I mastered every Metallica song that I would be happy so I did I mean I like it was like guitar playing for me came first and

then I hit that level where I was like I feel like I can do everything I wanted to do with guitar but now I want to go somewhere else with it so then I started like really studying other genres of music you know just the tradition behind country songs and the songwriting craft and I'd be going you know I was in bands and shit we were all you know my friends and I we'd be making just the fucking worst music you've ever heard in your life and we'd go into the studio and we'd pay studios for demos and we'd always come out now we were in Rochester so the studios were few and far between but we'd be paying for studio

time and we'd never be happy with what we left with so that sort of led to me wanting to learn how to produce how to how to engineer how to get in a studio and not only take the song that I've written and was ready to record but learn how to record it how to mix it how to make it sound like a fucking like I want it to sound and and you know it's just kind of one one thing just sort of led to the next and I feel like when you're writing music you have to ask yourself you know if I'm sitting there on a piano or with a guitar and you know I've got a couple chords and I know what I want to write about you just kind of

find your way through it and you know it's like like with anything if you practice an instrument long enough and you stick with it then you're there that there's some sort of purpose for that instrument being in your hands and the in that you've gone as far as stressing over it and sounding like shit and then finally you can play something that sounds right and you're like oh I could find a way to take this and make it my own so you know with with the music for the church I knew that we you know we were listening to similar stuff in that era obviously I'm younger than you but but that was the shit that I loved

like the old like like I mean the Motley Crue records and I mean Cowboy yesterday yeah I was just watching an interview with Bob Ross yeah dude yeah I was just I just couldn't believe yeah and then you see like I always describe guns and roses is Aerosmith on steroids oh wow Aerosmith would have done D ball in the 80s yeah it was right instead of eight balls yeah they were done D ball Diana ball they would have been fucking guns and I'm not taking them away from Aerosmith sure it's one of my favorite bands of course I'm just now I want to ask you questions that I don't know about that I want people I'm

gonna I'm going in here blind yeah yeah what is a music producer what does he do exactly in the studio um I think it I mean it can mean a few different things but in a traditional sense like I just said I was watching an interview with Bob Rock and he was talking about Motley Crue and he was talking about look at passing I saw how many times I've seen that on camera just watch that pass right there that was a slyest motherfucking move I've ever seen I saw it there's no way he brought those for no reason damn it you don't bring I bring everything for a reason brother one of these no thank you no thank you I appreciate it I'm not

here to fuck with fucking Uncle Bob but yeah so like so Bob Rock went from producing Motley Crue you know Dr. Feelgood he went from Dr. Feelgood to the black album almost I mean not not chronologically but he produced Dr. Feelgood and when he got into the studio with Metallica they were like why does it sound like that and he was like your guitars are tuned to E and now you know with the lowest string is E standard tuning and he was like Motley Crue tunes to D which is lower so when they tuned down to D and they played sad but true it blew their fucking minds that's a great example like what a good

producer is gonna do because suddenly you're playing a song in a higher key it's not gonna feel as heavy and with with all that weight producer does not write the music I come in and tell you right and in a traditional sense a record producer's job is essentially to push an artist to write the best music they can write and make the best record they can make but also I feel like it's to push them out of their comfort zone so that they have a creative breakthrough you know if they're if they're if they're thinking about things they may not have thought about before or if they're exploring maybe a new style of playing

with an instrument or a slightly new genre to bring in to their sort of brand of music a traditional record producer is gonna push an artist to listen to more stuff experiment more so that they can you know grow and kind of evolve as an artist what's the guy with the beard that did JZ Rick Rubin Rick Rubin yeah Rick Rubin he'll come in and do that yeah I wouldn't answer what you got yeah I mean he's more his his approach I don't know him but I know artists that have worked with him and I think his approach is more he's kind of like the Buddha of record producers because he doesn't really leave his studio like if you want

to make a record with Rick Rubin from what I understand you go to him and you play him the songs and he says you you know even whether you've got great songs or not and he just kind of like he sort of mentors you through that process I don't know that he ever even steps foot in the studio anymore and it's funny because like you hear like I mean he produced a slipknot record and they had a they had an experience where they they kind of like they weren't really into the way that he would work but then ultimately when they got through that record because you know they're used to guys like Ross Robinson who when

they made Iowa he he was like all right you're a heavy band you're from Iowa we're going back to Iowa you're gonna record this album in the fucking basement with no air conditioner and you're gonna get down into this thing and it was like one of their most iconic records but with Rick Rubin you know he's got his place in Malibu and he doesn't really leave that and you know I don't know if he was there when they were working with him but they were working with Rick Rubin and he wasn't really coming into the studio but that album won them a Grammy so he has a process that works somehow magically

mutt-lang yeah what did he do like what what is it I mean he did like the one death leprosy yeah he did hysteria hysteria I know I'm not sure I'm not totally learned on his discography back in black but yeah yeah hysteria yep I think he did something else when I think early death weapon yeah so he's the type of guy that would come in he's in the studio I mean all those big background vocals on death leopard that's mutt-lang that's his voice their sound on that album is mutt-lang it's crazy and what's so cool is like however many five years ago lady Gaga put a record out called you and I and she was like I want that

death leopard sound so she went to mutt-lang and it's got that hysteria slow fucking swing to it and his background vocals are all over her on that song and it's like it if you close your eyes it's like a time capsule so in a way it's like the record producer is kind of like the conjurer of all the elements that the artist can imagine but may not be able to to realize on their own how the producer get paid a bunch of ways I mean you can have you know you're you can have an upfront fee to go into the studio you can have an hourly fee you can you know a lot of a lot of producers like David Foster to me is like he's the

greatest record producer of all time what does he produce I mean do the fucking biggest songs like Celine Dion my heart will go on all the songs for Whitney Houston on that fucking soundtrack for the bodyguard all of Pete Cetera's solo shit when he left Chicago I mean dude this guy's his history he he he discovered Celine he didn't discover to Celine somebody else didn't he went to Canada and they sort of passed the torch that's to call it but yeah and you know Michael Buble he that's Dave Foster he saw him in a wedding and the rest is history so you know like a lot of times when you discover a new artist and you

see something in them that maybe nobody else does you can develop that you can develop that artist and you're not gonna make any money at first but if you make a record with them and then you build this thing it's kind of like producing a movie independently you know you have to invest early on and then take the film elsewhere to distributors and so on and so forth so it's a risk you know it's a time investment it's a creative investment but you know like if there's a number of ways to get paid royalties and you know I mean that there's there's all kind of revenue streams for producers but I mean it's certainly

changing now that physical music isn't really much of a thing anymore vinyl is having a new new yeah I'm so serious resurgence I got a track sent to me this week yeah and I gave him to Dean some a church listener so I lent Dean the eight track I go Dean let's see if it was Dean podcast around it so I go Dean if you want to do a podcast just come pick it up and give it back to me before I go back to Jersey so in one day two different people thank you whoever sent them sent me to a tracks and I brought him to Dean and he called me later and he goes they sound great you know and is there really that's right last year was

the first time vinyl beat something else out since 1987 CD's yes it's wild yeah so I'll back up on the rock vinyl vinyl is having a moment right now it's it's crazy it's been it's been boiling for the last probably 10 years but right now I mean I don't know what the COVID thing is done to it but yeah the vinyl because I think like there's just something like so in Rochester we had the house of guitars that was the shit you that's where I bought my first guitar it's where I bought my first album it's a music story has that I had pastoral music yeah yeah yeah I had pastoral music you had a fucking three

floors yep we go to Monday night midnight madness because all the albums dropped on Tuesdays so Monday night at midnight we get in line and you know for me it was more CDs I you know I was born in 82 so by the time I was copying my own records it was on disc so but there's something so transcendent about going into the aisle finding the thing getting into the car unwrapping it feeling it in your hand putting it in and like sharing that sort of physical because you're creating all these like sensory memories with you know like the visuals and everything and you see these you know I look at these pictures of

Metallica and I'd be like these guys like are there and they're not even real and then I'd go see him at the HSBC arena on stage and that's the only place you could see them then now you go on Instagram and they're right there and you send them a message it's all the magic is almost gone but I feel like the magic of grabbing a piece of you know like that vinyl and pulling the art out and looking at it and and kind of reliving like your parents experiences or you know like other generations that that that whole process there's something so magical about it and it creates I feel like a deeper connection

with whatever you're listening to even if it's shit you're like well I just wasted $20 and you know whatever but there's just something more about instead of clicking on Spotify through a playlist going and getting it and holding it in your hand seeing and feeling it you know do you still buy the physical click I still buy physical movies I haven't switched over to digital yet I do buy physical movies I don't buy physical music okay just because like when you're making I mean when when vinyl was like really the most dominant format analog recordings happening in studios with analog I mean this is getting really

fucking techy but a lot of a lot of artists are putting their records out on vinyl and they weren't they were recorded digitally so it's kind of like I don't know it's like it's like if you want to watch a film and it wasn't shot on film right and you want to watch it in a theater they might have printed that digital production down to a 35 millimeter reel but you're not really watching film you're watching something that was printed to film but if you were on set on the day and they're shooting on that Panavision at 35 and they're checking the fucking gate and then that reel you know light can you you can't

even put light on that film it's got to stay in a dark room the whole time until it gets to the theater and then you know like then you're watching film but I feel like the the vinyl thing of there's there's a little bit there's a little bit of a novelty aspect to it with regard to like you know buying an album that was recorded digitally on vinyl it's kind of it's kind of counted counterintuitive in a way but I might even see these like is sure I'll still go like if I'm having a bad day I go to Best Buy it's like a kind of car walk through the movie aisle sure just calm me down yeah I still see that they still

have CDs yeah yeah but I don't I don't know who anyone who goes to buy so someone must still be buying them I don't know who it is but yeah people people buy them I mean what's the percentage like 80% digital 90% digital quite honestly I wouldn't even know okay it's gotta be I mean the streamers are obviously taking over that's it is what it is I don't buy movies for the simple reason is they don't give me what I want in that package sure okay you're 38 leaves 32 I'm 57 the people who listen to the show obviously a little younger and both both of you guys sure age group yep I don't buy like okay I'll tell you

right up when I got the longest shot they sent me a box of CDs DVDs I opened it up and there was a DVD there was one sheet of paper yeah that's that's it was your presentation there bring the paper and that was you there was no inside scoop there was no there's a running joke in my neighborhood in fact two of the guys listen to this podcast and they we still have arguments on the phone about women and children first Van Halen's women and children oh yeah right masterpiece out yeah until you take the poster out it's David Lee Roth fired up by himself right ripped the poster up yeah I ripped the album up

throughout the window oh my god so this day I don't want to play that and years later yeah there's you hear rips that they were even Van Halen yeah didn't know that David Lee Roth was gonna put the poster in there so they even had a riff about it yeah I'm just telling you that story just sure but to telling you that I came if I buy your 25th anniversary edition of easy money I'm just throwing titles out here sure yeah I want something extra in there I don't don't hit me with what is it remastered yeah that remastered and shove it up your mother's ass remastered means it's gonna cost me ten bucks you didn't do

dick yeah we mad we master what what are they gonna remaster it's take the crickets out of the room you buy that shit oh it's we mastered how many times are they gonna remaster something how stupid can you be America you buy the first one that's it the second one is that they put a violin remaster yeah and they take you for another 25 they know they dollar you the debt well you but so when I buy a remaster you got to show me some yeah if I buy the 50th anniversary apocalypse now I want a poster I want two hours I wanna I want a CD in there yeah of them shooting of Marlon Brando's notes on the set you know yeah and for me

that's what happened you know I keep saying to myself I don't know what happened to me with music why I lost interest in music I lost interest because they stopped giving me what I was used to sure you know yeah again I'm 57 I fucking cut you know I believe like everybody else when I cut I'm furious that America can not go to a basketball game average American family can't afford to go to a fucking Nick game yeah or they got to sit upstairs and risk getting stabbed you know my point is that you know everything is gone you know an album is $26 but they give me less and less so I don't want to sound

like that oh in my day no you got five cents and I don't want to sound like that guy but I lost interest when you lost when you stopped giving me yeah you stopped give me what I wanted and then charge me double for the product yeah so when you were charging me 695 and I bought an album well I don't have any more left in here and I bought an album yeah I had a sleeve to look at I had let's take all the liner notes let's take that Zeppelin through the outdoor yeah the last album they put out yeah it was well known that when you bought it they didn't tell you the clerk and go come here we didn't read it in

cream magazine yeah you're heard on the streets right then when you bought the album you took it home you take a sponge and you wipe the album on and it becomes all different colors yeah you know for a band to do that it cost them five cents to make you that much happier yeah right right you know I threw away 50 fucking t-shirts I've been giving away like all this you know we're both moving so we're giving away shit I give away I've given away you know 50% of my t-shirts and if you look at the shirts they're basically all black yep and I'll tell you why I don't like the color black that much I like it from time to time

sure but if you print a shirt out for your business and it's black yeah you're telling me you're too cheap to pick another color yeah that's what you're telling me when you give me a black shirt sure you're already telling me that you're not fucking creative yeah and that you were too cheap yeah to pay the extra 50 cents right to get a gray shirt or purple shirt or blue shirt yeah something completely different than everybody's doing yeah you're trying to stand out why are you getting a black fucking shirt for yeah why are you putting on a black shirt right right so these are the fucking things I look at

right there I don't want to do business with you you gave me a black shirt right there our business is done yeah because you're too cheap that's 50 cents to make me happy sure you know these are the things I look for so the album to me was a sad you know like you when you went to that thing we fucking deliver papers all week yeah right we sold nickel bags bitch yeah you know this wasn't given to us deliver a pizza I'm working in a walk to 60th Street we're walking to 60th Street and I you know and I had these kids come on the show they've been on you on zoom Steve Avillo me and him on Saturdays we met at time yep and we bought a nickel

bag and we smoked a joint and then we walked to the fucking record store along with six of them and we each had plans you're gonna buy sabotage you're gonna buy the white album I'm gonna buy kiss alive yeah and you went up there and then you switched I don't really want that I'm gonna you fuck you that one god damn it now you throw me off I want to get high and listen to Iron Maiden AC DC together you fucking douchebag fuck you he's not gonna cancel with us either you know so it was like it was like what's that sounds like a real fight not it's true you're not going camping with us either you know you're not going fucking switch

fucking bands when you get here all right they were out of if they're out of the album okay then you yeah right then you get the kinks out but you can't go from fucking the who the kinks that's not fair right you said you're gonna get the who live at Leeds I was already for it's like you told me you're gonna get Chinese food you show up in Polish food I got none against Paraguay's but you told me you're bringing Chinese food my mouth yeah you're ready to Chinese food you understand me so you can't do that shit to me yeah we'll keep some of me for I don't know did you like did you guys have like if I see something and the the

packaging is already kind of messed up I won't get it I like stuff to be probably weird like I have weird rules about stuff like that do you like have like a pristine collection or yes your question what I put a fucking sandwich out there in the street on packets and you eat it so stuck with the back I've given you fucking food that hasn't been packets in years well no one told me that he told me it was nice you've eaten it so it's not good off if I don't say something back I won't buy what about those wings from 7-eleven I never a win I've never I am not you know that you got rats all you send them the Indian call me

direct the Indian was like hello hello Lee was just here I heard you went to subway the other day he ate six wings I did not go to those little rats you have no idea how many goddamn tweets I'm gonna get now stop eating those wings Lee I didn't the wings it's been it's how dare you say and then he kept going back to the Lizard place no yeah the Lizard me the Lizard me place you know which place it is yes it is you think it's the one on Burbank you with the Magnolia next to the Arabian pizza nights the Arab pizza the over to this corner there there's Arabian pizza night you go with that guy that's like pizza oh my god it's got

hummus the guy's like eat my pizza not a million fucking years guy you fucking out of your mind I'm not eating that Arab pizza you fucking crazy Arabian nights pizza and then it's got like a haircut in place it's gonna black hair cut in place black hair cut in place not that more on the corner there that's taco when I first moved here they told me at the Y don't eat that dad they found Lizard meat there that's the one that yelp sentence that's all yelp is it's communism they send they send you to go eat where the bad food is that's why I don't look at yelp I don't believe it I'm

sorry to interrupt you know whatever there's no wizards of the I haven't been there because you ruined it and I haven't been to the other one cuz John but got sick there which one I'm Burbank yeah nine people got sick believe not a five and this guy goes to eat no I don't last week well listen we're Green Apple dudes we're Green Apple do you're a Green Apple do so that means I raised their prices up by a dollar yeah now don't call me I went to this other Chinese place why this Green Apple raised their prices why would you go and get inferior Chinese food and save 10 cents and you're eating some kids cat

putting the poster together you're eating them watching TV thinking you're doing a good deed Green Apple don't have cats they have nothing you don't know what they have you remember I've been in that kitchen friends and you haven't yes I asked I left right there that's strength that's the strength of building that deal with you go to Green Apple we stick with Green Apple we're loyal to Green Apple you don't go nowhere else with Green Apple you order from some Chinese place and nobody's even heard and I tell them to go to Green Apple and get that they called me tell me it's right you are right the Mushu pork is

good no it's tremendous but you you waste your time and got delivered and then he gets that fucking people to deliver to your house not Uber Eats I only get if the restaurant has delivery because the food comes up and he's telling me that he why don't you post he's telling me that he don't eat nothing that the rapping every time he had a pizza from from pizza bell whatever the fuck that is Domino's with those guys to the belt how's that packaging how's that packaging what we're gonna do that if I if I if I live in a world where I can't trust my Domino's drivers I'm just gonna kill myself well you have to have

some sort of respect I hope you don't I hope you don't all those peaches you see they used to pick their greasy nose and put eat the pepperoni off it and then and then you sit there with Paula thinking you were fucking a little Italy you fuck eating some guys snotty fingers pre-COVID I probably lost a friend goodbye now and shit the cold me or the delivery guy delivery guy thank God we were talking about music oh my god so how did you unreal what was the first big artist you work well I think it would probably be like in my 20s when I started producing records more so I joined a band called the Sunstreak I

mean we didn't we didn't do shit we like we sold a lot of records on the warp tour and they were already a band before I joined so they kind of built this thing locally in Rochester and when I joined the band we went on warp tour and we sold a ton of records out of the 10 are you familiar with warp tour no okay so warp tour is this it doesn't really happen anymore but every summer it's about 50 shows in maybe like 60 days 50 cities and it's like 90 bands oh shit and I mean you know early on in the 90s when it got started you know you would see I mean we're talking like deaf tones mxpx no effects you know like it was really

rooted in the punk rock scene but it grew and then so in 2006 the band that I was in the Sunstreak we did warp tour sold a ton of records and while we were out there we made a lot of relationships with other bands that were kind of like growing and and then we toured with like we did some dates with Chris Daughtry and then we did some dates with so many just randomly rock bands but it but it ultimately led to you know like we did a record deal with Capitol I think we sold 10 copies of the record when we sold you know 20,000 on our own with a label behind you you'd think that that would change but it is what it is but

um yeah so I mean that was probably my first introduction to like the actual like next level you know where the major label artists are sort of swinging and then when I left the band I did a publishing deal with a music publisher outside of New York City and that's when I started working with you know artists that were you know like you know like Pink or John Legend or New Politics one of the first early cuts that I had was on a Backstreet Boys album well yeah yeah it was cool it was cool and then yeah I came to LA in 2013 now let's back up to the Backstreet Boys yeah sure I want to just sorry about that how do you know

what do you mean you picked up a piece with them so my manager at the time was what is a he's a huge record producer massive records the 90s 2000s so he was working with them he was managing me as a producer and he would say you know he reached out to me and say hey you know I'm going with the Backstreet Boys into the studio so we need a track it sounds you know kind of something like this so so he'd send me a demo of a song that he had started and then I would go in I play all the instruments and put it together at my home studio and I'd send it out send him the instrumental and then they would essentially record their

vocals over that and you know it's kind of how you break in like you sort of work through the other guys that are sort of further in and bigger that are in the room with the artists so to speak so yeah so I you know I never even met the guys I still haven't met pink and I had two songs on her album I mean that one of the songs was the title track to the record and became their world tour and the whole thing started in my fucking living room and she doesn't have any idea but um yeah sometimes this is how it is but it's kind of cool too you get paid or credit both both yeah you on that pink song I'll see your name oh yeah

for sure no shit yeah yeah yeah there were two songs on that record the truth about love and good old days lyrics or music or both so I was credited as a writer and producer I didn't write any of the lyrics she writes all her own lyrics a lot of artists you know everyone's everyone's process is different there've been plenty of artists that I have written lyrics for but pink writes all her own lyrics she's very she's very private with that so you have people who do beats yeah just do beats you do beats you don't give a fuck if I show you and say I need beats yeah you do beats yeah and then

there's guys that just write yeah there's guys that just write lyrics you know these guys that just write lyrics sure how do they make how do they do it well you still like as a lyricist you still own a piece of the copyright of the music you know so like Bernie Topin with Elton John right he wrote every word Elton's ever saying still to this day and he's still right yes still Elton showed I know someone that wrote with Elton and Elton showed up and this is in the last two years Elton showed up with a fucking notebook full of Bernie's lyrics it's he just that's that's whose lyrics he he uses he just uses

burnt you know and it's like poetry you know you you know the like the lyric is so much of I mean in my opinion it's the most important part of the song is you can't print a melody on a t-shirt first of all like you might remember how a melody is sung but the lyric is what speaks to your soul it's what you connect with and what you relate to you know whether or not you you hear yourself in that song and that artist so yeah there's there's plenty of writers that that that don't write lyrics that may only come up with melodies because you know when you're writing songs and and you're sort of deep in that process

a lot of times you're just humming melodies yourself and sing it gibberish and putting it to lyrics is a whole different craft some people don't necessarily do that and then there's some lyricists that just don't really have that musical inclination but they know how to use their words or how to get down into that story that they want the song to say so it's weird that with the amount of music like I'm a musician I get an F I never really tried I have musical rhythm because of my blood sure I don't think I would always love to play the guitar but writing as always when I hear music another guy that I

wanted to always play on this podcast but I think I would get a lot of shit over playing him because people never really knew the power of who he was was Elton John yeah right the only song I could play on this podcast that would kind of get them boners Benny and the Jets sure I can't play my other favorite because as far as writing was concerned for me growing up Elton John and Paul McCarthy who had that sure because I saw the race they were having I grew up at the time where it was Elton and then McCarthy fired a grenade yeah Elton yeah then McCarthy fired and then Lenin got in the mix and they was back and

forth and then it was just it was there was a time period where it was just Paul McCartney and the wings for me yeah is a big part of my youth yeah Elton John there's times I listen to Elton John and I cry yeah man I mean that's big in my it's on and people will laugh I've never got to see him live yeah because I don't want to I don't want to see that shit yeah you want the memory I don't want the little Rachi yeah I get it you know I got just now talking to you I'm thinking about Bernie Torpon's lyrics to oh jean and oh jean and oh like lyrics all those simple lyrics yeah he's got a song he came out with in it 83 but it's

one of my favorite songs it is his gayest song of all time uh-huh I'm not gonna lie to nobody you probably don't think I'm gay whatever I think it is a fucking badass song which one was I'm still standing god damn he goes off on that song oh man he goes off on it you never heard I'm still I know I have standing yeah yeah yeah I'm still standing but then you gotta remember from the fifth grade to maybe maybe fourth grade maybe third grade there was a time pretty well and John just went off the five or six years bro sure just went on yeah Philadelphia freedom yeah hello baby hello haven't seen your face no

oh yeah right oh my god the lyrics I'm not a brilliant yeah what is it hello baby hello haven't seen your face oh well I don't really I only know the classics for the most part are you still the same almost spoiled child say hello hello I gotta check it out harmony and me a really good company tremendous see YouTube this is why we should be able to play this shit right now you're rolling in our ocean from a sea harmony me I really love you and I want to love you forever all that shit uh-huh you can't write that that was written by gay man then I listened to then you gotta listen to like Judas Priest

now you gotta listen to Judas Priest and go holy fuck yeah he was talking about fucking men burn it up you know burn it up yeah I know you feel the flame yeah I know you know these motherfuckers had no idea they had no idea yeah I know you feel the same I know you feel the flame yeah burning deep inside of you turning you up breaking you out of the cold sweat my real my dick and when you lose control of your very soul your asshole your desire takes over you'll feel the heat sway your answer my way look at you answer my way right and suddenly you'll know that you're burning up you got a dick up your fucking ass book comes out September 23rd Judas Priest the singer Rob Halford pre-order it I got no

dog in the fight but I can't wait to read that fucking book hell yeah does it take anything away from me that they they didn't write the lyrics does that mean anything or one's a performer one's a writer that it's just not the same as comedy you know man when Chris Rock was putting on all those specials it was a four-man operation sure that's why I told his dad respect Chris Rock yeah and I always wish that one day I had a special that I could get four of the top comics pay him all and say give me your best 15 minutes sure with no ego yeah just give me your best 15 minutes I've had dear friends that have written jokes that have said to me bro I got a joke that I wrote and it's for you I every time I see it on stage it should be coming out of your mouth especially

Josh Wolf is one of those guys oh no shit that he'll call me and go I wrote a joke I tried it it's more your your face yep so Prince how many songs did Prince write and give away yes endless you know John Lennon wrote a song not to John Lennon wrote fame and Elton John called them up and said what the fuck you give him a song what am I fucking what am I dog shit and he goes give me a couple days and he called them up and gave him Benny and the Jets you know how the fuck do you do that like yeah for a guy like me I'm sitting there going really he just gave you Benny and the Jets yeah and I know there's more to the story always yeah there's all there's more to the story totally he probably gave him the lyrics and Elton put together the piano you know but that's always been everybody what's

you know the seven wonders of the world you know who built the pyramid I don't know 12 fucking mongolians what he's bothering me for and who gives a fuck all right I give a fucking how they wrote uh you know uh what's that really good Elton John song that he wrote it just kills you like it just tiny dancing it's just not before like in that era and that yeah it's causes with tiny dance it's another one that sticks a dick in your fucking heart your song yeah your song oh jeez yeah your song unreal you know did you see the movie they made the bio picture that Elton John movie I tried yeah I love Elton John more than life itself yeah but he lost me in that one I got you I really liked Motley Crue yeah that was cool I really clean men's and men's sure

like I watched it but I won't watch it again sure Motley Crue I watched 20 times yeah it was good I still watch Motley Crue if I'm bored the whole time room or something I just watched it maybe three weeks ago yeah I like the part when he describes the bands he's managed yeah the machine gun Kelly was good as Tommy Lee was great but when he goes uh he was really good yeah that kid they were all good he brought it not they were all really good yeah that was a really good movie and I you know I always a couple weeks ago people were fucking saying shit that I had said you know and uh it's funny somebody called me and they're like obviously they didn't see the Motley Crue movie she obviously didn't see what was going on in this trip yeah 30 20 years ago I'm surprised

that what I'm surprised that I was in the first plane to burn and the opening fucking scene yeah in the Motley Crue movie is a woman squirting at a party it's wild yeah it really is it's crazy eats the chick's pussy and she starts squirting at a party that's it's wild that's the opening scene of a fucking movie that's it oh yeah that's a party you want to be at I want to be at a party with a couple Mexicans serving you all derbs get the fuck out of here put a black suit on talking up tight white people were bound to get COVID eventually what are you working on now my brother so I have a band solo project it's called the bad dreamers okay I put a record out two years ago and I'm finishing my second record right now so I'm putting out a song every month until February

we thought about you know because when you've got like a full-length record of music typically you know you put a single or two out and then you put out the album but now you can't you know I can't tour I can't play shows I can't do any of that so you're doing a lot of live stuff oh 100% no shit yeah yeah I you know I was only the impression Matt this is what I was impression I was impression you're the guy that if I want a song for a movie I call you I'm that guy really 100% yeah yep the other day I had nothing to do sure and I went looking for a movie just to and I forgot that Jimmy Page did the soundtrack for it death wish too oh shit Jimmy Page did the soundtrack for it what yes and it's the creepiest fucking it's perfect

no brilliant watch it oh I gotta check that out Jimmy Page did it was Bronson and that one yes oh fuck I've only seen the first one yeah wow yeah don't even get me started on movies I'll talk movies that's wish three hours that's wish was great till three yeah no no no no I'm not even gonna give him three no I can't I gotta look at myself yeah I've only seen the first one the first two were good after that four I wanted to kill him yeah because he was like 65 and he was chasing people and catching them and I can't have that I can't have the 65 year old catching a little black kid that's not gonna happen that's not gonna happen all black lives matter that's not gonna happen all right that's not gonna happen Charles Bronson 64 chasing a little porky kid jumps over

a fence no it's not I can't jump over a brick okay and I fucking squad I do everything I can't jump over a brick I'm telling you right now I couldn't do it he was shooting people away from 800 yards no you're not you can't even read the paper I can't see without glasses how you gonna shoot somebody 800 yards why are you trying to sell me this proper game before oh that's incredible I gotta check that I didn't know he scored that movie he scored that movie he's Jimmy paid scored and somebody there was another score in that you know you obviously you had the the 80s the cheesy Giorgio Morata I think that was his name Giorgio Scarface and uh he did a couple those who did the soundtrack for Thief was one of those crazy motherfuckers oh man whoever they see the

look up who did the soundtrack for the movie Thief was and those soundtracks made those 70s movies a lot of them oh dude I mean but for me horror film is that's my shit well you said something and even about the exorcist yeah it's music for the exorcist yeah well yeah well one of the songs on my new record is actually inspired by the exorcist we could talk about the exorcist for three hours I've got theories about that movie oh please don't get started you know it's wild and you know what after all these bitches we got raped everybody got raped everybody in Hollywood got raped everybody's beating up Harvey Weinstein what did they do to poor Linda Blair oh yeah nobody's ever said a fucking word about Linda Blair yeah and while Linda Blair hasn't lifted her hands

her parents should be shot like the people who let their kids hang out with Michael Jackson it was crazy what they did to her in that film what they did there at 13 that film when she got scaled she couldn't have gone a lot of movie yeah a lot of money they made a freeze they shot all those movies in the freezer yeah with the dust yeah right over here is tangerine dream tangerine dream fucking tangerine dream yeah right I'm telling you all those people when those movies were big they were all scored by tangerine dream tangerine dream the couple other movies yeah because anything Michael man did yeah anything Michael man did I think tangerine dream did yeah it's kind of weird so that's what that's what I was doing I didn't know you had a band I'm so I'm very sorry

yeah no it's okay what happened was I went to Wikipedia my website sure my internet went down this morning just to get the full rage on it but it went down this morning while it was moving so yeah I couldn't uh but I thought you just I thought like it's like damn they had a lot of line-ups what's that tangerine dream every year they change I'm trying to see oh yeah that that's a steady rotation they're like uh I don't know how you compare it to sorry they have over a hundred things in the end they discoverography so I wouldn't be able to tell you yeah no it's amazing they did 160 god damn that's wild yeah no I you know I score films I write songs for tv and film um you know that I it's sort of how I make my living now is songwriting and

and composing for picture and for series and whatnot but um yeah I still I have a solo project it's a band it's it's it's really all me I write all the songs I produce them play the majority of the instruments until the new record I've got my my guys around it now but um but yeah um I'm putting out a new song every month through the rest of through February um just because you know we can't get out on tour we can't promote the music in a proper way so we're trying to stretch it out and do something different and put out a new a song every month and then at the end we're gonna we're gonna release a vinyl you know an actual physical copy with the full record and replays the skim flute if you ever need them to come in hey every night in the key of D the key of D

yep but it's kind of cool I have a buddy who does I'm blanking on the term now but he also he also produces and there was a movie a year or two ago that the girl kept reliving the same day and her forward ring and sure yeah yeah it's called happy happy death day he wrote the jingle just for the ringtone oh cool yeah you tell that yeah that's a gig yeah like unbelievable it's not it's not just songs like it's just like ringtone it's pretty cool yeah that's intellectual property I mean that's you know that's a copyright yeah it's crazy I mean there's so many ways to monetize music because music is used in so many you know like a ringtone in a film they need a sound and it needs to be original they can't use the apple one they can't use the google one those are they own

those so they need an original sound you know there's so many different ways I watched the interview the other day with whoever wrote ghostbusters oh music dude one of the best stories that's for a theme song ever you want to say it uh no please no no I forget the whole thing yeah it was amazing yeah I'm glad you got the call yeah what's the guy's name um the dude's name was because it wasn't ghostbusters at first there was call they called it something else Ray something yeah I think that was his only song like he was a one hit wonder yeah but he really was a lot more they just interviewed them they just interviewed Ray Parker Ray Parker Junior what else is he responsible for um I mean that's definitely his biggest let's see what he's got on

ghostbusters a woman needs love yeah they only yeah I don't know crazy it's crazy that you would get that like look okay I do stand up yeah you know I do stand up and you crack jokes and yeah there's a medium for it if somebody puts it on youtube or Netflix or somebody puts it on uh whatever but even like watching the bomba when they're fucking in the car and also they play play Richie's music yeah right Richie Valens and you listen to the music the feeling it changes everything it changes everything I can't imagine yeah I couldn't even when I listen to myself on radio it's bullshit sure I'm talking about a song that you started with and all of a sudden you're going you know I can't imagine

being Aerosmith sure getting in a car and dream on which is played every day in America is on the radio and you're numb to it but you think about for just one second how that all started yeah with you just playing two chords on a fucking piano just tinkering around your wife just left you yeah you're looking at the table there's bills on the table you're in no danger of paying paying them yeah you're at your lowest point in your life yeah and those two chords on a piano and all of a sudden you think of like yeah they're lucky if they think they're gonna get paid dream on yeah right and all of a sudden you're like drunk uh hits you like a truck and it just hits you and it's it's gotta be a fucking phenomenal feeling like I said I'm at the you know

I could do whatever the fuck I want I'd go back to law school or whatever I just I gotta raise a fucking kid and that's my biggest concern but if I could do it all over again I wish I would have had the I didn't get a guitar because I knew the cocaine would make me point it like I just knew you know I had no reason there was no reason to buy a guitar because I was only gonna own it for two weeks I was gonna go it was going to be in and out of that pawn shop I knew this going in I know who I was at the time so I knew if I bought a $500 guitar yeah it's gonna be in a pawn shop every time I get in a hole or eventually so that's why I never committed to music yeah but if I ever have a chance to come back and get another life I'm gonna have to go music it's in me it's in me

yeah yeah man oh it absolutely is and I didn't let it out you know yeah and even now I'm like let me just try to write a song like I would like to just write a song one time yeah just with lyrics fail miserably but that's what it's all about man like I feel like I mean I just think about like my journey I mean there's so many songwriters and producers and composers that have achieved so much more than me but here I am in Los Angeles 38 I pay the bills making music and I think like you know it's just a series of failures that leads you down your path because you nobody really knows what they're fucking doing when it comes to a creative endeavor you just try shit and fuck up and then you move on and you either decide to do it again or you quit and it's the people that fuck

up over and over and over and somehow figure things out along the way you never let me make something crystal clear for anyone that's listening that has any inclination to pursue something creative anyone in their ear telling them they can't fucking do it the only thing that you know for sure is gonna happen is that you're just gonna keep making mistakes but those mistakes might point you in the right direction of the right mistakes to make because even if you're you know if you're I don't know I wouldn't even know who to compare it to but but anyone that says that they've got to figure it out they're lying I did all the wrong things to get to the right place that's right yeah okay I went to prison you know I got you know I was the black sheep of

the family of my family you know I'm not proud of these things sure but I'm who I am today yeah you know I'm doing this patreon and now I'm getting different type of messages you know and I've noticed the last two weeks it's 19 to 23 that's struggling right now they're really really really struggling these kids yeah they're either pre-college or getting out of college if you're pre-college right now what's going through your fucking mind what's going through your mind yeah you worked all your life you did everything now you're not even gonna live the college experience yeah there's no frat parties it's wild you gotta definitely take some time off can you how is that not gonna be

footballed ish is anybody wrapped their heads around that when we got the announcement a week ago yeah there's not going to be no college for the ACC and somebody else big 10 I don't know I think the ACC is still on I think a couple of them are playing but regardless of the fact yeah do you understand the impact that that's going to have billions of dollars to a community and a college do you understand yeah the impact when you go in wikipedia texas a and m and see what they're endowment is for football you know that's that's you know if you if you know sponsors like I lived in boulder yep so I understand the sponsor the guy who runs his business donates a certain amount gets he's in tech is how you're looking trustee sponsors they think you know they think

whatever uh stealing without a gun that's what it's called robbing you without a gun you've given me 25 percent of your business so you could be part of my fucking team so I could let you in the locker room so you could sit behind us you could travel and you could have a social life that you all dress together in red and travel nothing wrong with that nothing wrong with being an alumni association you know they have all those you know who do you think keeps these fucking programs alive the boosters that's our boosters yeah right right boosters you know so yeah you look at all this and and those boosters are boosters because every year they know that the star quarterback is going to give him a football with an autograph on it and he could show his

fucking friends down at the thing that I didn't even think about what about the coaches who make like millions of dollars yeah no this is gonna pay what about the teams that travel I mean this is this is going to be a club the college football I'm gonna be honest with you guys I saw a couple things coming you guys know that we've talked about them on the show I didn't see college athletics kept counts cancelled yeah right I did not I figured they were gonna figure it out how the fuck you know Harvard you better get your fucking helmets on you better get your helmets on Harvard because college football has to play this year Harvard so you better go back tomorrow and get a vaccine I don't give a fuck what it is a helmet whatever the fuck you got a special mask something

because how can you not play college fucking sports till spring you think I want to see fucking Notre Dame against Nebraska in April go fuck yourself go fuck yourself we weren't meant to see you will throw off our fucking time clocks it's like we'll all be living in Alaska you think we're retarded now let me see how football gets thrown in April you're gonna have a heart attack why because it never happened before it's supposed to be in the fall it's gets a you're not supposed to fucking play football in April you gotta have the weather or the whole thing yeah what the fuck is that you're gonna wait till the spring and fuck me up like I'm not fucked up enough didn't I just wake up the other day and say have a good weekend didn't I just say Monday Monday morning

Monday morning have a good fucking weekend and now you're gonna throw football away I mean and I'm they're really gonna be not lost now oh my god what do you think you do when you wake up fucked up on a Saturday morning in a hotel room from doing comedy college football it's true but there's no comedy either so yeah all right unreal we'll fuck the law we'll fuck along the boys how the fuck is that not gonna be college football Jesus they're pissed yeah everybody's pissed yeah but what are you gonna do and that's why we need music now oh yeah right more than ever listen man I when I told him heaven tonight he almost shit his pants nobody listens to yeah cheap trick man that's this is what's been good about this pandemic that I got to

we discovered my music again yeah like real like again melton john I want to know john thing one night that I found myself on the floor crying ready to blow a motherfucker yeah you know yeah holding my own knees ready to blow a man like when you watch him play at dodger stadium and that crystal covered Dodgers uniform when he was doing all that she took over new york yeah like in 1973 one time I was a kid I was still living in new york city and I remember the traffic he just sank new york second guy to do that was a man by the name of Michael Jackson he just fucked New York up yeah right in 84 yeah 83 and when thriller came out it was over it was over when Michael Jackson did the garden those streets were shut down jack yeah those streets the tri city

was out they were just out when Michael Jackson came to your town you just went down there wow the earliest home video that way I have my dad died earlier this year and I was going through very silent thanks man um I was going through all the vhs tapes and the oldest tape I could find where I was around is me fucking moonwalking on christmas eve by the christmas tree just shuffling around to thriller my mom's blasting in the battle three years old I can barely spit people have no idea people have no idea like and how they did it was brilliant yeah how they did the whole Michael Jackson thing oh really was brilliant and I was there to judge to see the whole thing like it was him yes well with his five brothers then his voice matured

then they pulled him away and they did an album called the best of Michael Jackson that nobody even knows about I had to even tell miss pat remember at the dub on or something with the dub on it I go when black people don't know African Americans don't know about now that's when you know the album is deep they took Barry Gordy took Michael Jackson he was 14 15 did Ben you know yeah it's a great out the best of Michael Jackson wow it's got a song I did I remember the title but I didn't know it came before oh yeah it came it came when he write their last album is moving violation okay which is a great out yeah then germain left because he married Barry Gordy's daughter oh okay yeah germain left put on put on a solo out

let's get let's go out tonight let's go dance yeah in the morning night fucking terrible remember when Chris rock went off on him he said he was greasy germain jackson a greasy motherfucker I don't know I'm gonna have to look that up and let them let's go to the candle like oh baby let's go out tonight well anyway that sucked so fucking Michael came out with I think that I think the Jackson five just they called themselves the Jackson's that was it then Michael came out with off the wall yeah which was pretty fucking good and 81 and I went to see that at the garden with this dude named christie Lorenzo god rest his soul and it was three quarters empty well shot the top was empty yeah right top was empty like Michael Jackson hadn't grabbed people yet like they didn't really know

and then in 19 in the winter of 82 he flated the Motowns 25th anniversary and that's the first time that motherfucker walked yeah yeah on a Sunday night yeah on a Sunday night in America yeah and there was no internet yeah bro houses were just blowing up yeah boom boom boom boom what the fuck yeah and I slept through it and it made like the front page of newspapers the next day like that was the biggest news didn't I pretend he saw it or no no I had to like somebody had a great show and somebody showed me like a week later oh yeah like they had taped it on something I think there was VHS or something uh-huh but you had to see that's crazy but people when I remember like going out that night and people actually stayed home to watch it and then went out and they were

like people were coming out going on you see Michael Jackson oh shit holy shit like he just hit you with that first and then there was starting a thriller was right after that little bit of thriller yeah he was just giving it to you little by little dog little by little yeah he didn't release that album you go out to a club you'd be dancing to the club or some coke and shit yeah you know all of a sudden Michael Jackson came up and he made that film that thriller film where he turned into a wear cat he just slow he just he just finger banged you the deck it was why because it was thriller and then something else you say well it's at least a video then he released the album and then they did a world tour then the Jackson's released an album so it was called victory and then

they all went out together they just fucked it up they fucked it up so much that this is what they were doing you're ready this account like everybody says this economy was booming well listen to this economy bitch the giants the metal lansin 84 ready yeah nine days of Michael Jackson yeah that's insane nine nights of Michael Jackson and then Bruce came in were born in the USA for right nights then Bon Jovi would come in for i don't think Bon Jovi no Bon Jovi didn't bust the lady sap really yeah it was it was those two 18 nights and what is that like half a million people i mean dot the giant stadiums was 70,000 probably the nine fucking nights holy shit and me and my man veneri the freeholder he got tickets we won him we won him he's a freeholder that's my boy

i hit him up yesterday i said i need my job i'm trying to get to the i'm trying to get back into you know when you got out of prison you're gonna be his driver now i'm trying he keeps laughing at me but he doesn't know i'm gonna start writing letters the daily news i'm gonna get that job listen man i'm happy that you took the time out i'm happy that you wrote a great intro to our song yeah it's going for the last year if i start something i will contact you i won't yeah you know i'm in put something for me whatever yep um you're a great guy man this is a great appreciate it time with you just talking getting to know you yeah man hell yeah it's just a weird fucking time you know people just yeah i'm happy that you're still able to uh do your music now what's

the name of your band again the bad dreamers now this is a solo project yeah um you play every instrument um up until this record that i'm finishing right now i was playing every instrument like with your intro i played all that shit on guitars no shit yeah um but yeah so with the bad dreamers i mean listen if you like duran duran or nine-inch nails repeated gabriel it's it's very much reminiscent of that um and uh yeah you can find it everywhere that that's a big spectrum though yeah it is when people send me emails like hey listen to my band they're very black sabbishy very very uh some guys some guys sent me some music the other day yeah i look at everything this i almost hit myself against the computer because it was like the grateful dead

dead it was like the grateful dead had died yeah right and they just propped them up and played they were young kids but i think the meth got them already something i don't know where the kid sent me the video from i hope it was a joke i hope i hope for his sake i hope he's not listening right now i hope he is because he sent me some terrible fucking music man it was usually i get some pretty interesting shit some of it is not up my alley but i'm still impressed with sure yeah this was like a band i think out of west virginia oh boy oh boy they better go right back into that coal mine going to the mountains i gotta spray the mic when you talk they were bad i think it was a joke i swear to god man i get some shit sometimes and people that people think like i'm like a judge

i'm fucking the voice sure yeah i swear to god yeah i would i would watch that show what you as a judge on one of those i have no time for that who am i to judge somebody yeah who the fuck am i to tell somebody great that music is great point i can't listen to i could tell you if i love something if i get you know i could tell you it's like that episode of the sopranos and christopher did you see that episode of the band when he hit the guy with the guitar and he gave him math here go shoot up um period and he takes and he takes the record to the old man the jew ash ash and ash tells him it's not a hit you know yeah i'm one of those guys i could tell you if it's gonna catch yeah sure yeah you know but i can't tell you if it's good or not i can't you know if you got something that's

catchy yeah he doesn't like it you know i'm an old man i know sure you know like this summer we don't get summer hits anymore yeah yeah right what was the summer hit this year yeah i mean if you listen to the radio fucking people dying on facetime yeah right that's the summer hit of the summer yeah that's the summer hits every year you know the last summer hit the greatest impact summer hit i've had in my life you're gonna freak out what song destroyed this summer some girl uh uh yeah miss you by the stones is that the name of the song mm i've been holding on so long girl i miss you oh yeah i've been doing along to do to do that was the last huge summer song before that it was

walk walk walk walk walk Peter Frampton oh Frampton comes alive when i was a kid bro there wasn't a block you didn't hit that Frampton if you played anything else but Frampton you get a backhand you better put Frampton on Doug Frampton never did anything else after that you even noticed that Frampton came alive and that was it nobody ever went to see him again he came alive one time that was a one-time performance for Peter Frampton great album though great you know but my summer i'm in my summer songs uh one of my greatest summer songs first time i made out with a girl the eagle's one of these nights oh yeah 75 what are you fucking nuts right one of these crazy old nights we're gonna find out pretty mama what turns on the night what's going on with those

oh yeah was there a banter in that song i don't know a banter yeah uh like so we were talking about money earlier for someone who did that who did like a one hit wonder yep can they survive like maybe not live in the hills but could they have a one bedroom apartment for the rest of their lives if they're selling listen i don't know if you wrote a hit song back when records and tapes and CDs were selling and you were the only writer and that shit went number one on the hot 100 you could pretty much do whatever the fuck you want wow yeah and that's when there was all three genres when when you could get it you know like if i mean this the record companies are making so much money from streaming right now maybe even more than they were during

like the physical copy you know boom you know like the 90s the late 90s was when i think CDs were at an all-time high 2000 2001 um but the but the major labels are making just as much if not more now off of streaming than they were then but the artists are getting shafted in those deals but if you were a songwriter with a hit song and you're the only writer a lot of times now you see a lot of different songwriters on songs credited six or seven writers which is kind of it's sort of weird to think about when you have that many songwriters for one song but you know it is what it is sometimes there's that many writers on a tv show or a film whatever um but yeah you can uh back when physical copies were selling if you wrote a hit song you were the only writer you were

you were doing just fine what about just performer like i don't know like we just did the thing on back in black sure you hear you could turn that on any country in the world you're gonna hear that on a rock station yeah every day yep like are they are they making like a million a month like what are they like um i mean with classic hits like that that are just going to stay at radio deep six figures a year wow for sure yeah that's crazy for sure if not i mean internationally it probably is somewhere in the seventh probably i mean you know i'm a cuban jew i'm on top of my sag dudes so yeah right i have a page on my sag where i can tell yeah with how much money you're gonna send me every week yeah right it tells you sunday at six o'clock what time do i

log in sunday at five fifty nine yeah let me see it i log in i want to see the switch come up right there right in front of my eyes yeah it's so funny you can tell i'm at the end of my rope like i'm getting checks for a dollar twenty one seven fifteen oh man this is like one for forty three but they still better show up in there they better show up yeah right it's when they stop showing up yeah my wife was like yeah but they're all down like a bitch you put 10 of these together we got 10 that's a fucking sandwich yeah you know i used to throw away the 30 cent one it's not any more bitch yeah now cash every cent tax that that gas is 335 a gas tank i put all those quarter checks i use them those people that sent me those quarter checks are like he's not gonna use it

bitch you got the wrong motherfucker for like 1800 checks going through my mail they're all for like eight dollars or whatever but no expired i'll have to see if i can cash them for what i don't know because i'm stupid like like when you cancel an insurance plan and they send you back at six bucks oh yeah i have like i have like eight i have like 18 bucks and like four checks yeah rip them up they're not gonna give you by the time you get them in the mail they're not gonna even fucking it's like sag sag won't even rip like if you lose a sag check they tell you call us back in 90 days yeah it's make sure that we didn't send it on the wrong horse because you know i look at the fucking date it gets sent and i'm by the mailbox at attention i'm watching the mailman park i'm

watching them go from house to house because if my check in in that batch let's go back to all those houses and see if you gave it to somebody else because my fucking sag said it was coming on this day that's all i know all i that's all i know is cocktail whatever the fuck so you better have my check i remember i had the filipino male the mailman dad the one that me and ralfie had he would like tell me from far away like like he would look when he was taking out like i would just have to whistle and he would go not today nothing today and i would run upstairs what the fuck is the check you motherless cock sucker i sent it on friday no you didn't it would have been here today um i think you like even smell the bag you know what you're checking it i used to get

pissed i used to lose my mind when i was doing blow and you told me my check was going to be there on friday that mother fucker better be down friday because i already have plans you see what i'm saying my plan is you can't cancel i'm not talking plans with your girlfriend to go to dinner i'm talking i'm buying an apple and i'm trying to check up at hotel hollywood there and i'm gonna put coke rocks in her ass you can't cancel that shit hotel hollywood right there with them they sell lizard meat right there hotel hollywood oh i've been there that's a good listen one hotel hollywood yeah it's 90 days and then you have to call them then it takes another 90 days so you might as well just lose the fucking check yeah now i'm moving oh i'm gonna get robbed of debt they don't have sagging

new york yeah they got sagging new york but in the switchy in the switchy ruy oh they're gonna tag those checks yeah i'm surprised you're not gonna stop by the sag office one more time before you leave bro who you think you're dealing with i'm doing that right after we leave here i'm going down now why do you think we're doing an afternoon one i'm going down now monday nice and early to see what's behind that basket because i guarantee there's some after ones too see sag merged with after so now you don't even know what's out there now they're really stealing from you you're in the union no not yet what the fuck are you waiting for uh the right job right yeah okay yeah most of the work that i've done up up to this point has been non-union stuff um but uh yeah

eventually i'll join sag and get my stupid voice on something okay i think you'd be in a music type you know uh well yeah i am and i thought you meant sag i am in in a in a yeah what the fuck what you want from this fucking guy yeah finally i thought you said in the union meaning sag i'm not in sag but i am in a musician's union musician's union what what is there a writers union like composers union um is there a producers you know you know what's what's so fucked up about the film industry is that the only component of filmmaking that doesn't have a union are the composers it's crazy you would think by now that they would have some sort of a union but they don't um and you know for whatever reason i really don't know what what it is um i'm sort of just at the front

of that journey it's in the film composing side um but uh yeah there's no union for film composers there is for musicians for performance you know if you're playing guitar like i play guitar for a dude on regis years ago and i got paid through the union for that or you know like in new york yeah yeah we just filming yeah yeah i got rest or so we just rest in peace man yeah it was it was august of 2011 right right before he left the show uh he got to meet him it was just cool he read a pretty interesting life as a musician it's been cool man yeah you're out here making it happen yeah you know you're just uh yep and uh you're gonna hit a home run eventually you know yeah we'll see two time grammy nominated yeah well we'll see man you throw enough spaghetti against the wall

but i like what you said earlier and uh yeah the way you encourage people and that's that's what people want to hear i mean yeah especially now you know we're in a tough void right now for young guys yeah and uh what do you tell a young musician right now that they can't play live music fucking this is a time to learn about it right you know i mean i'm doing a thousand things i'm not writing copy i'll tell you that right now sure i'm not writing any comedy yeah there's no comedy coming out of my life yeah we fuck around here sure we goof around he tells me how you come up with that you know uh but uh but uh the other day i called him up and i was high and i was thinking about how americans have lied to us for years dracula is really gay but they didn't want you to let

you know that he was gay for sure when i was i read it years ago that dracula was gay anyway it doesn't matter he asked me how i came up with i don't even know he goes how do you come up with there's a lot more to that theory that as a horror guy i know that he's he had to be gay yeah 100% he had to be gay and they made him dracula fucked everybody trannies men female he don't give a fucking you know every week yeah he gave dick to everybody nasferatu man but then the americans said fuck it only women he can only wipe women in the neck yeah that's bullshit yeah the western take on dracula is way different than what he used to be way different he used to bite men in the neck yeah and you have to stick your finger up his ass and he let go of the grip like a pit bull

that's why when a pit bull bites you you gotta stick your finger up his ass and he breaks the grip so a lot of people don't know that we drop the knowledge here on a tuesday on a wednesday i'm sorry wednesday the 17th blurs day every day of the 19th of fucking August whatever the fuck it is listen i want to thank you for coming on and taking the time thank you for having me man for doing the jingle for us it is fucking i mean first time i heard it my cock fucking got hard you hit it right in the head and it was just weird that from listening and from i learned something from you doing that yeah you know how predictable i was i learned i am predictable i don't think it's predictability i think i mean dude listen i'll give you my version of how that happened so

and i'll try to keep it brief because i know we're wrapped no no we're here i just don't want to so top of the year like i said my dad died earlier february 7th i mean my dad was the he's the only reason i had a shot doing any of this shit he supported me without wavering my mom did too but but when my parents split i stayed with my dad and um yeah so he died on february 7th and it was it was really big um i went back to rochester we my sister and i did the thing i get back into town and um february 22nd the dog that i came out here with died in a freak accident had him for seven years um my uh my ex and i who's my best friend julie page actually that's julie welcome to church motherfucker that's julie page everybody

shows some love um yeah we we moved out here with this dog and he was you know just like such an awesome part of our lives and uh two exactly two weeks later um he uh he died in a freak accident february 22nd and then march comes around and this coronavirus hits and you know typically when you go through something painful like that you know you have to let those feelings move through you but it's also good to be out and be social and be with friends but you know with the pandemic you just got to sit at home in your thoughts so i was at home and um really just i mean just going through this shit that just happened february and um it was really i mean i i don't think i touched an instrument and then uh it's crazy man it's just crazy how it works i open up your podcast

one day and i hear you come on and you go you can't do the music anymore and as soon as i heard you say it i was like i can do something about that i knew it was the first time i felt inspired really the whole year and for whatever reason did i just sat down and it happened and i hit up matt i know i mean matt's matt basically moved out here with me we didn't live together we we lived together for two years in 15 16 um but we're both from new york we're both from rochester and uh i hit i had sheltz up and i was like dude um i heard what happened i want you to just give this to him uh because i felt like i had to just do it and just get it out so you know you asked me earlier what i would say to somebody who's you know maybe at the start of that creative journey

right now we're listening at home um pay no attention to this pandemic you gotta get into the shit that inspires you and you gotta find that spark and you gotta throw the gas on it and you just gotta get to work man it's work you gotta just do it and you can't let anyone else get in your ear and tell you that you shouldn't do it that you're not gonna be able to do it that it's a numbers game that it's competition your competition is all upstairs it's all you you're gonna make your thing no one else can make it for you and um yeah i mean that's my two cents man i love you brother i love the story yes i love that me saying that because i didn't know what i was gonna do yeah you know i love music sure music sets the tone yeah that song sent the tone to the podcast so

i really want to thank you from the bottom of my heart i'm sorry about your dog and your dad not i appreciate it can't imagine what you're going through but uh and we tried stopping music years ago we did it for like three weeks and you're like i don't care yeah right it's it's at the tone so yeah you did good man thank you very much i'm sorry that wrong things that happened for the right thing to happen but that's life dude but that's fucking life yeah that's that's how it goes uh you gotta take the hand you dealt with and you know and do the best with it i don't know what i'm gonna do yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna pack my bags and move and lee's gonna move walkie he's gonna go spend time with his mom his dad and uh i'm going back to jersey and i'm gonna

put my daughter in school yep get her settled settled myself and take a couple weeks from this and uh i don't want to reboot the the church sure because we did it yep we did yeah yeah i was the church yeah you know i'm saying like the church was the church i'll do a zoom with lee we will get we'll do a surprise zoom and talk to some people sure scott cunningham and the fucking crew you know little lingus and stuff i think the church for now i think i uh i'm sick of booking guests yeah i think this is the hardest thing i've ever done in my life wow this was the hardest thing i've ever had to do so if i ever do a podcast again it's gonna be something with a screen something like that because the guest thing was just too hard sure it was just too hard

i've sent out thousands of emails yeah thousands of emails yeah it's a ton of from beat rose to i took chances with everybody because you know the worst they could say to you is no sure um some people just said no which i appreciated some people told me to go fuck myself you know but uh i think that was the hardest thing and i think the pandemic was when i really realized that i had to do something quick because i was i was i was getting the same rotation that the other people sure it's the same guest yeah so eventually they're not gonna go anywhere yeah i've already been telling stories for fucking eight years yeah they know every fucking story i say so whatever my next chapter is uh and it really is leaning towards music yeah all the numbers

are leaning towards music and cool movies yeah because i've been watching little clips online lately and i see how passionate i get and then people hit me back going dog you hit it on the nail with that actor or whatever you really plucked it you should expose that guy a little more and maybe get him on the podcast i can't get him on the podcast of course yeah i was dying to get Diego Luna on here sure his publicist told me to go shoot myself you know so i would do Diego Luna a world of good if he came on the podcast because i watched all his vulnerabilities on narcos as an actor you know so uh but that was just the toughest thing of this yeah it wasn't doing the podcast it wasn't the content it was getting the guests that could just come in

and be themselves yeah that's really tough yeah man you know i'm not able to let them in i don't want you to come in to promote your tv show yeah right i didn't like people coming in to promote something i want to have a conversation i wanted people to come in to have conversations yeah and that's what happened and then you know it turned into something else so uh this was my open mic for comedy sure i did two years with felicia and ate with lee yep and i learned all the ins and outs you know of yeah how it works i'm really proud fuck yeah i'm really proud hell yeah we we picked up on something that was completely new yeah i learned how to do strategies with it not a yeah ads not a you know it was really an interesting journey i want to take a break yeah and come back with

something that i'm really into yeah and just uh end it so you'll be here for me again brother you got it but i thank you you really hit it on the fucking head awesome thank you and i said what's your fucking problem kaksaka i didn't eat those wings god damn it you what i didn't eat those wings yes you did yes you did real quick i want to talk to you about something over the weekend if you got instagram i put a little fucking uh video up listen the church is brought to you by manscape i love manscape i love it i love shaving my balls with it the the long mullet 3.0 they're great they're great but manscape is dedicated to helping you take care of all your hair from butt to nut but now they released the shears 2.0 nail kit listen you guys know you

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