Uncover - S38 E5: An accident | The Mile Zero Murders
Episode Date: August 31, 2026New details emerge about Cole Hosack’s disappearance. Two anonymous sources corroborate this new version of events. Host Timothy Sawa tries to verify the new information, retracing search parties’... steps, and staking out the home of the person last seen with Cole Hosack.
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At the start of the series, we talked about a man named Cole Hosak.
He vanished without a trace in Dawson Creek on New York's Eve in 2023.
You might remember Cole was looking for a ride to a job he'd landed in Medicine Hat, Alberta.
He'd just had a rough year.
He'd lost his job, and then he and his partner lost their newborn son to a heart condition.
Cole thought this new work could be the start of a new chapter.
His friend Shelby McLennan offered to drive him where he needed.
to go.
Yeah, we became friends, and during his loss of his baby and whatnot, we became very good friends.
I was there for him and whatnot.
Cole and Shelby had met at a job.
They were equipment operators at a British Columbia mine.
We worked together for a few months before layoff season came about.
He was great.
He was a great guy.
He was funny.
There wasn't a bad bone in his body, and he was just a fun guy to be.
around. She's a hard worker.
Shelby's from Dawson Creek and still has family there.
She moved to southeastern BC but wanted to visit her parents for the holidays.
Cole lived along the way.
And it was just a little easier for me to pick him up in Prince George,
go to Dawson to go see my family for a couple days because I had worked all Christmas.
So I was like, okay, I'll pick you up.
And then we'll stop in Dawson just for a couple days to visit my family.
and we'll go and I'll introduce you to some of my friends,
and then we'll go home.
I'll drop you off in Madison Hat,
and then I'll just go home because it's just a circle, kind of.
It would be a long road trip, especially for Shelby.
She made a 10-hour journey to Prince George where she picked up Cole.
It was another four-hour drive before Cole and Shelby arrived in Dawson Creek
in the early morning of December 29th.
Shelby's parents let them crash at their trailer.
But sometime just past midnight on January 1st, Cole disappeared.
He hasn't been seen or heard from since.
On the face of it, it seemed like Cole Hosek was just a guy passing through town,
maybe in the wrong place at the wrong time,
and who went missing because of it.
Up until now, that's been the story.
But we've discovered a lot more about Cole's fateful few days in Dawson Creek.
piecing together his final hours, who he was with, what he was doing, and where he went.
Well, it's New Year's Eve. I'm sure we won't remember tonight.
Not even a little bit.
We've unearthed some real clues about who might actually be responsible for his sudden disappearance.
I was driving when she texted me his number and said, this is the last number of the e-phone.
And I called it and Matt answered, and I said, who is this?
and a potential answer to the big question in this case.
What really happened to Cole Hosak?
Conversation about that being scared,
that they were investigating him for murder,
and he openly admitted in front of a bunch of people
that he had a big part in Cole Hosak's disappearance.
I'm Timothy Sawa, and from CBC's on cover in the Fifth Estate,
this is the Mile Zero Murders.
Episode 5, An Accident.
We know that Cole arrived in Dawson Creek around 8 a.m. on December 29th.
He sent a text to his fiancé saying he'd arrived safely.
That's 64 hours before he goes missing.
That first evening, on the 29th, we also know he had dinner at a local restaurant, Brown's Social House.
We now have security footage from the restaurant.
It shows Cole arriving with Shelby at 10 minutes after 9 and sitting down at a table.
The footage shows them leaving just over an hour later.
They head out the door and into the dark parking lot.
The next night, December 30th,
they met up with some of Shelby's friends,
including Dawson local, Laura Lambert.
He sat here and talked about his son
and the loss of his baby,
that he lost a baby, and it was, wow.
Like, it was heartbreaking to hear his story and stuff.
Laura is one of the people Shelby introduced Cole to when they got to town.
This was the day before New Year's Eve.
So 24 hours before Cole goes missing.
They met up and hung out at a couple of local bars.
And we sat around, had a few drinks.
Went to Lone Star and Spikes, but Spikes was dead.
So we went to Lone Star.
On a 30th, we had a couple drinks, and then we came home and they went home.
And that's about all we know about what happened
those first two days and nights coal was in Dawson Creek.
Did Cole meet other people?
Make other plans?
We aren't sure.
But he would ring in the new year with Shelby and her friends.
Shelby bought tickets for Laura, one of Laura's friends,
and Cole for a local celebration.
Snapchats we've obtained show Cole in the backseat of a car,
gearing up for the party.
I'm sure we won't remember tonight.
Not even a little bit.
Another video, still in the back of the car,
Happy New Year. What is it? Cheers to beer. Cheers to queers. Cheers to honor. If you can't come in her, then you come on her.
As the night progresses, the videos get more festive. In the next Snapchat, you can see he's at Spike's Pub, their first bar stop that evening.
I don't know where the fuck I am.
In another video, Cole is at a new bar, the Lone Star, the last bar where Cole is seen before he disappears.
You all need to come out here, bro. Put this down upside down.
We started here.
There's people coming and going, we're by the pool table.
Laura remembers New Year's Eve, 2023, feeling like a pretty typical night out, except for one relatively small incident.
These three guys walked in.
There's only one pool table in there.
These guys walked in, and one of the guys coming through, 10 bucks.
That Cole in front of them were taken over the pool table.
And Cole said, no, you're not.
And the guy just pushed the money.
So I grabbed the money and I went and gave it to him.
I said, you're not taking over the pool table.
We waited over an hour to play pool.
He just, okay, I'm sorry, man.
Like, polite and stuff.
And then Cole and Shelby started playing pool
and we're just sitting there having drinks and stuff.
And those people that were there come by the pool table
and start saying stuff to him.
I couldn't hear what they're saying, but nitpicking at them and stuff when they're shooting pool.
As far as we know, Cole held his own with those guys at the pool table.
He shook it off, focused on having a good time, and waited for the clock to strike midnight, just like the rest of the bar.
Laura remembers Cole milling around the bar talking to everybody.
He was so outgoing. It made her wonder if he knew people there.
And Cole come up to me, like, I'm going outside first.
smoke, he said, and gave me his stuff like his, he didn't, he took his phone, sugar pack,
some, three things, he gave it to me, hang on to these, I'll be back. So he went out and he
come back in and I gave him his stuff and it was good. He went out twice, I think, and come back
in and then he was going around the bar. I was getting packed in there.
Laura remembers at this point of the night, the alcohol is flowing and starting to
kick in. Then the countdown comes and goes. And again, Cole is on Snapchat.
And it's around 1230 when Laura realizes the other friend they came to the party with
needs to be taken home. Shelby doesn't drink, so she's the crew's designated driver. She figured
she could just drop off her friend and come right back. So I told the bartender as like,
hey, like, I just have to rip these ladies home.
Can you let Cole know that I'll be right back?
And then, so I had no worries.
Like, I figured he was still in the bar.
It's a small town, so everything is a quick drive away.
After dropping off their friend and coming back, Laura becomes worried.
She looks around at other bars they'd been to together.
We couldn't find coal.
We went and checked spikes.
We went to check that rock world.
She was nowhere.
So I can't predict his actions, like, what?
what he would do or anything, but
still in the back of my mind there,
those people harassing him and stuff.
Shelby also wonders whether those guys at the pool table
had anything to do with Cole's disappearance.
Because it was about 45 minutes to an hour
after they thought that we couldn't find him.
And between those comings and goings,
Laura and Shelby would become some of the last people
to ever see Cole Hosak before he went missing in 2023.
The eighth person to go missing or be murdered in Dawson that year.
By New Year's Day, Morgan Crawford, Cole's fiancé, had received the news.
Her partner had vanished.
I was already packing.
January 1st when he didn't answer anybody, I was already, I knew I was going.
There was no offense or butts, nothing could stop me.
Morgan knew it was going to be a trek to make her way up to Dawson's
Creek from Prince George, especially in the dead of winter.
The weather, I could give a fuck. I'd drive 20 kilometers an hour,
or hear the Pine Pass if I had to.
The Pine Pass is one of the worst roads, like, in BC to drive winter.
Why is it can go from sunny and beautiful to minus 30
and snowing completely white-out conditions in three seconds?
But Morgan was determined.
She made calls to get things in motion,
one to the Dawson Creek RCMP to help their search.
I gave them everything about him.
every single thing about him, right down to the scar on his butt cheek,
everything that I could think.
And I asked them when the report got made, they said January 1st in the morning.
Cole certainly had some distinctive features.
A tattoo of an owl, wings stretched out across the front of his neck.
A tattoo sleeve down his right arm all the way to his fingers,
and a set of Roman numerals on the side of his face.
Morgan also called Cole's mom and dad, letting them know she was going to Dawson to look for him.
Cole's dad even pitched in for gas.
I got to Dawson Creek at like 8 o'clock at night on the second.
I remember driving in Dawson Creek and thinking he's here.
Like I'm going to find him.
Like if anyone's going to find him, I'm going to find him.
Because if anybody could find me and be him.
I went to the trailer where Cole's staying and it was literally exactly how he would have left it.
exactly how he left it.
A fucking disaster.
Exactly how he would have left everything.
An absolute mess.
He was the messiest man I've ever met in my life.
His bank card was there.
His credit card was there.
His clone.
His winter jacket.
Everything he owned.
So then I thought, well, he didn't skip down.
Like, he didn't just come and take his stuff and leave.
But, like, that ran through my mind thinking about things.
Like, did he really just cut contact?
Did he really just go?
Like, is he really just that done?
mental break, snap.
Morgan then tries the bar where Cole was last seen, the lone star.
It's at the end of a strip maller's a brown social house beside it,
and then a massage center straight across the park.
No camera footage, might I add, in a huge parking lot.
One telephone pole with one light on it in the whole parking lot.
Dark.
I scoured the parking lot for any sign of him.
Nothing.
I walked, there's like a big field to the right hand side of the lone star.
I walked that whole field with Shelby that night with flashlights, just looking for anything,
thinking like maybe he had fallen and so maybe he'd, you know, stumbled off, didn't know where he was
because he's not from Dawson Creek. Maybe he fell and hit his head. There's like a gully.
There's old trade tracks that runs through it. And I'm like, maybe he fell in hit his head.
I searched and searched and searched in dumpsters, garbage camp.
literally everywhere.
Morgan said that for a while,
Cole's phone was still receiving messages.
Like I'm texting, and if you did something, you don't want me to know,
tell me right now, I don't care, I'll come get you.
Like, just tell me where you are, I'll come to get you.
I'll bring you home.
If you don't want anybody to know, no one asks or no,
all you have to do is just go to the police station
and say that you're good, and we don't want to discuss it.
We don't have to discuss it.
Cole never responded.
We know now that some teenagers found his cell phone
near a dumpster in an alley behind the TD bank.
I knew from the beginning that something was wrong.
That's Cole's mother, Julie Hosak.
Cole has a son from another relationship,
and Cole hadn't been in touch with him for days.
When Julie heard that, she knew something was wrong.
That was a red flag for me,
because he wouldn't go like a day without calling Bentley.
So right from the beginning, I knew something bad had happened.
By January 2nd, Julie's first instinct was to reach out to her cell phone provider to check his phone logs,
to see who Cole had been in touch with while he was in Dawson.
They were on the same phone plan.
And I learned of the last number he had contacted and whoever he had called not picking up.
So the last call was a no one had answered.
Julie made a note of the number, but she had no idea who was on the other end.
So at the time, it was a clue that went nowhere.
Julie was working in northern Ontario,
and she needed to get to Dawson.
She took a flight from Sudbury to Toronto,
then another flight to Calgary.
Her last leg to Dawson was by car.
I feel like it's all a blur,
but I spent a lot of hours on my 10-hour drive
up to Dawson, my first way up there on the phone,
talking to the police and trying to get what they had information
and understanding what has been done up until this point,
because by this point, I'm on day five of Cole being missing.
By day five, Morgan was determined to organize a proper search.
That was the first little bit of press we got.
The Dawson Creek News came.
We had like maybe 40 people,
which was pretty good for only having like two days' notice for the whole thing.
Searched pretty well the whole town.
Morgan says she asked the RCMP to join the search too,
but they declined.
Now, to be fair, the new year was already a busy time for the RCMP.
Remember, Robert Gerbos' body was found in Dawson Creek
the same night Cole Hosak went missing.
But to Morgan, it seemed like they wanted nothing to do with her
or her efforts to find Cole.
What were they telling me they were doing?
Oh, they were putting together a timeline.
When we're putting together a timeline, we're watching video footage,
we've got hours to scour through.
Okay, well, here's a lot.
an option for you, I'll watch it all and I'll tell you where I spot him because I could
spot him from a million fucking miles away. I could literally spot him out of West Edmonton
Mall and tell you he's right there. But the RCMP never did show Morgan the footage.
Morgan tried going directly to the local businesses with cameras that might have some video
of her fiancé, and she was able to confirm some important pieces of information.
One was from the manager of the restaurant, two doors down from the Lone Star.
He said that the bartender texted the manager of Browns and had told her that he was seen leaving, walking out of the Lone Star at 1229 on January 1st.
The other was from the tire business across the road, who confirmed they had shared what footage they had with the police.
He said, I actually reviewed it with them.
And I said, what did you see?
He said, I can't tell you what I saw.
And I said, what did you see on that footage?
And he looked at me and he said, if you saw what I saw, you wouldn't expect.
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The police issued a media release asking people in town to check their sheds and under their decks,
and also identifying an area leading out of town that they thought was important.
They were looking for footage, anybody that had it dash cam or highway footage of a truck
driving eastbound Highway 49 towards Spirit River.
Beyond that, there really hadn't been much movement on Cole's case.
So I started asking around, beginning with a local who made it their business to keep up with crime
in town.
Because I think that people should be aware of what's going on.
I should be aware of what's going on.
Why?
Because then I can keep my community safe.
And what do you do with the information that you uncover?
A lot of times I do email the RCMP.
I don't like people getting killed.
I don't like that.
This local wants to remain anonymous, fearing for their safety.
We've used an actor's voice.
Yeah, nobody will come forward.
Why not? Because they're scared. Scared they'll be killed. And it's sad. I mean, look at Cole.
Cole's missing. Where is he? At least give the family the body so the family can have closure, right? That's the most important thing.
The source doesn't know a lot about Cole's disappearance. But they do know Cole was last seen being chased near the Lone Star.
And that's where Cole was running. I'm not sure. I've never seen the video, so, and the cops won't release it.
This was confirmed for me by the people working at the tire shop that captured him on video.
They told me Cole had been seen on the video heading down the alley across the street from their shop.
He appeared to be looking to get away from something.
At one point it looked like he was trying to get through the alley between two buildings, only to find a dead end.
Then, a pickup truck pulls in behind him.
Both he and the truck leave the frame and head down the alley.
And that's the last time, Cole.
was seen alive.
The local source I spoke to did have one more piece of important information.
A name.
Matt Lawton.
So Matt is a name I'm familiar with.
It's my understanding why I know, because I've seen the phone records.
He was the last person Cole phoned the night he went missing.
So there's a connection there of some kind.
Do you know anything about that connection?
Well, he's supposed to be a drug dealer.
Those are the phone records Cole's mother got,
the day she learned her son was missing. It turns out they weren't a dead end. The number
belongs to the same man our source heard could be involved, Matt Lawton. And Matt doesn't
appear to an extensive criminal history. Records from BC courts show he was found guilty for
mistreating an animal back in August 2025. He had to pay some fines. But nothing suggests he
was involved in dealing drugs or other dangerous crimes. But the more I asked around town, the more
I heard, multiple sources confirmed he was in fact active in Dawson's drug trade.
And as time passed, rumors of his involvement in Cole's disappearance picked up around Dawson.
He's even been called out publicly on a local Facebook page.
With the local rumors, Matt's connection to the drug trade and that final phone call from Cole
before he disappeared, I had questions for Matt.
But we needed to track him down.
Eventually I got a potential address from a source, a place where he might be living.
Producer Tiff Lamb and I pull up to a duplex covered with yellow metal siding,
bent in some spots and pocked with holes and others.
A garbage bin beside the door is overflowing.
A gray sagging fence surrounds a small backyard that's strewn with weathered kids' toys.
The only main floor window is fully covered with a ratty blanket.
We sit and wait.
And eventually a truck pulls up and two men get out,
but neither look like Matt Lawton.
I approached them anyway.
How was that?
They're looking for Matt, too.
They are?
Yeah, I just said, hey, I'm looking for Matt.
And he said, yeah, we are too.
He said, I just flew into town and dropped us some stuff for him, but he's not around.
Oh, interesting.
Okay.
So...
So I think we should come back.
Like maybe around seven.
Okay.
And they, uh...
But they did confirm that he was there.
But they confirmed it was the right house and that they were looking for him as well.
And they seemed to be friends with his.
But they weren't sure where he was when he was coming back.
But we know we have the right house.
And so that is, uh, that's progress.
Later on that evening, Tiff and I went back to his house again and waited.
He's here.
Okay.
Should I stay? I'm going to stay on the side of the house.
Matt?
I'm Tim Sawa from CBC, the fifth of state.
Yeah.
I'll just hope I'd ask you about Cole, Hosak.
I don't know who's that it.
Cole? He was here a while ago in town and went missing and hasn't been found.
Oh, I have no clue.
After our brief encounter, Matt went inside.
He made it clear. He was done talking to me.
I went back to our vehicle.
It's hard to believe that anybody in this community would not.
know who Cole Hosek is. His posters have been all over town. His story has been
widely, widely covered by everyone, including the Fifth Estate. So for someone to say
they don't know who Cole Hosek is, that on its own is hard to believe, but especially
someone we know Cole tried to call and the police have spoken to about.
What do you think it says? Well, it just makes me wonder why someone would answer that way.
And the more I learned, the more I wondered.
Late in 2024, well before my encounter with Matt,
I found out the RCMP actually arrested him in connection with Cole's disappearance.
Now, they let him go without charges,
but it would certainly be clear to him that he was a suspect.
So how could he say he doesn't know who Cole is?
Then Fifth Estate colleague Mark Kelly and I met and interviewed local drug dealer Aaron Linklater.
He suggested that Cole might have pissed off the wrong guys that New Year's Eve.
the only thing I heard was he mouthed off a bunch of people and told him that he's fucking somebody.
And that gets you killed in Dawson Creek?
Well, it gets you killed if you're doing with the people that are going to kill you.
If you're not prepared to fight that, then don't go talking like that.
At the time, that felt like the biggest revelation about Cole's case.
But I stuck with it.
Until weeks later, a new source came forward was something I never expected.
A confession.
Austin originally and had really bad threats made to me because I overheard Matt Lawton talking to a few other people about Bull Hozac going missing.
Remember until now, the story had been Cole had got into it with a couple of guys no one had ever seen in town over a pool table.
That wrong place, wrong time story.
This source was about to change all of that.
He told us he would often pick up drugs from one of Matt Lawton's associates.
One day he was waiting for his dealer when he overheard a conversation with Matt Lawton himself.
He openly admitted in front of a bunch of people that he had a big part in Cole Hosak's
disappearance in that it was an accident.
He openly admitted that they had picked him up to the fact that he owed them drugs.
Cole Hosak had owed, not Matt, but he had owes somebody else.
Matt went and picked him up, apparently chased him from Lone Star
is what I had heard.
I overheard Matt kind of like crying and shit being like,
oh, it wasn't our fault, it was accident.
They were like, we were just trying to threaten him for money.
Matt might not have been the one who actually killed him.
But this source says Matt was there with two other people.
One of them was threatening Polo-Hazac is what
I overheard and that they've panicked and they decided to chop up his body.
Wow.
After I did as much work as I could to verify the confession overheard by the source,
I decided I needed to share what I'd learned with Morgan Crawford, Cole's fiancé.
I mean, it kind of makes sense his phone being found at the TD parking lot and them being
glass seed there, the money part.
That kind of line.
I mean, it would make sense to me that his phone was found at TD and the video from found
entire.
That it might be related to money.
Sorry, I'm just trying to take a minute to...
It's a lot.
Yeah.
The way that he was, you wouldn't think he was poor, you know?
Right.
So, like, he dressed nice, he acted nice.
He didn't come off, like, a person that didn't have anything.
Then, Morgan reveals she had heard a similar version of this story about her fiancé's death.
that it wasn't supposed to happen the way it did
and they were supposed to just basically scare him
and maybe beat him up because what I got out of it
he wasn't supposed to die that day.
Yeah, I think that that lines up
with what we've heard from other people as well.
I'd say that's fair.
And then she said something I didn't see coming.
Morgan wanted to confront Matt Lawton herself.
She had Matt's number from Cole's call log
and she used it to contact him.
I just wanted to see if he would show face,
and I was with my friends there.
We were sitting at Spikes.
It was the night before the search.
We just got to town, and I was like, fuck it.
I'm going to see if he comes.
I don't blame you.
He's some big-time guy.
He thinks he's a hot shot.
Let's see if he shows up and see what he does when he comes.
Matt did show up in the parking lot at Spike's Bar.
I remember his face clear.
Matt kind of leaned forward and looked because he was driving,
and as soon as Matt saw me, he went white as a ghost and drove away.
So he recognized you?
100%.
I asked Morgan what she made of this idea,
that her fiancé might have owed money for drugs,
that he might have even been involved in the drug trade.
I honestly don't know. I honestly don't know.
My brain is going a million miles a minute right now.
What I make of it is that he was struggling with a lot of things
and trying to numb all the pain that he had.
Morgan said when Cole announced on Facebook
that he was taking the job in medicine hat,
someone made a comment that made her wonder what he was up to.
His friend commented and said that he was the one that convinced him to take that job
because what he was doing at home wasn't good for him and his family.
That's why he took that job and left, was to try to be better.
So he was selling drugs previous to that?
He was definitely involved in a not so good lifestyle.
But she also said it was just as possible that Cole was a recreational user,
that he was just picking up that night for a night out.
That's the last thing I want to do is make him look like someone he's not,
because that's not who he was.
Yeah.
But people struggle.
Yeah.
We lost a child.
You know, like it's...
He struggled.
We both did.
Either way, Morgan said it's possible that Cole owed the wrong
people money. Hearing this person say that they heard Matt say that makes me think that he'd been
talking to Matt prior to just New Year's Eve. You know what I mean? How much money did he owe you and how long,
how long were you guys associated before this happened? Like, what? What? I have so many questions now.
And you're not getting a clear answer about their relationship and if it predates that evening.
Exactly. It's fucking frustrating.
Morgan accepts it may have been an accident, but says Matt still needs to come forward with the truth, so there can be justice for Cole and his family.
It's even more frustrating that Matt's still just doing what he wants to do. He's still just living his life.
Well, and the person who overheard this, what they said he was upset about was he didn't want to go to jail.
That's what was on his mind.
Not the fact that you just took a fucking father away from his child and a person.
away from his family. That's what you're worried about.
Our investigation was starting to peel back the layers in Cole's story.
There's the fact that he wasn't a complete stranger in Dawson Creek, and he seemed to know people in town.
And the fact that he tried calling a known drug dealer moments before he disappeared.
And there's the witnessed confession that seemed to suggest Cole owed money to some dangerous people.
It's still not clear if Cole owed money because he was selling drugs or because he bought some drugs for
himself that night. But either way, the idea that he disappeared simply because he was in the wrong
place at the wrong time, or because of a disagreement over a pool table, that now seems far-fetched.
What does seem clear is that Cole was murdered, even if by accident. Exactly how, why, or by whom,
Morgan believes his son Bentley deserves to know once and for all.
at least getting older
it would
you know
it would just be nice to be able to tell him
and like have his dad home with him
in a way
that brings him some sort of comfort
yeah
one final note
as an investigative journalist
I often find myself witnessing the trauma of others
and sometimes like in this case
I need to deliver difficult news
about what our investigation uncovers
When I learned about the confession and the new details around Cole's murder,
I knew Morgan would want to know, would need to know,
because no matter how difficult the news, Morgan has always been clear with me.
All she wants is the truth about what happened to the man she loved.
It's a lot, but also every time that we talk,
I feel like it's a little bit where it's a step in the right direction, you know what I mean?
Like, I feel like of anybody that's working on this, you guys, you guys have done the most.
But the work is definitely not done.
Next time on the Miles Zero murders,
a key source is on high alert.
I've been threatened.
I was threatened at a bizarre level.
You've been listening to the Miles Zero murders
from CBC's on cover and the Fifth Estate.
If you want to hear another series by me,
you can check out Evil by Design.
The show is reported and hosted by me, Timothy Sawa.
Our producer is Tiff Lamb.
Additional reporting from Mark Kelly, Grant LaFlesh, and Lisa Ellenwood at the Fifth Estate.
Sound design by Graham McDonald.
Emily Connell is our coordinating producer.
Our senior producer is Jeff Turner.
Additional audio from CTV, CJDC News.
Alia Davidson is executive producer of the fifth estate.
Emmanuel Marchant is the senior producer.
Executive producers for CBC podcasts are Cecil Fernandez and Chris Oak.
Tanya Springer is the senior manager, and R. F. Mirani, is director of CBC podcasts.
If you're enjoying this show, consider checking out another series from CBC.
One I really like is called Cult Queen of Canada.
It really hit home for me, because I grew up in a small town in Saskatchewan.
And it's a story about a community just like that, and the cult that tore it apart.
Thanks for listening.
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