Uncover - Uncover Introduces: Someone Knows Something | Season 8

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

Host David Ridgen joins victims' family members as they investigate cold cases, tracking down leads, speaking to suspects and searching for answers. In the highly-anticipated 8th season of Someone Knows Something, award-winning investigator David Ridgen delves into a cold case that has haunted Whitehorse for more than 15 years. Angel Carlick was a vibrant youth worker, nicknamed ‘Happy-Go-Lucky’ by her loved ones. She had plans after graduation to become legal guardian of her brother and work to support struggling youth at her local resource centre. But just days before she was set to graduate in 2007, at age 18, Angel disappeared. Months later, her remains were found in a remote area in the Canadian north. As David works alongside Angel's family, friends, and community, he uncovers details surrounding her death and strives to bring her justice, while honouring the legacy of her late mother, Wendy. More episodes are available at: https://link.chtbl.com/8ZWNBR9I

In 2017, it felt like drugs were everywhere in the news, so I started a podcast called On Drugs. We covered a lot of ground over two seasons, but there are still so many more stories to tell. I'm Jeff Turner, and I'm back with Season 3 of On Drugs. And this time, it's going to get personal. I don't know who Sober Jeff is. I don't even know if I like that guy.

On Drugs is available now wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC Podcast. Hi there, I'm David Ridgen. I'm a filmmaker, writer, and the host of the CBC Podcast, Someone Knows Something. I want to tell you about Angel Karlik. I investigate Angel's case in the new season of Someone Knows Something. I want to tell you about Angel Karlik. I investigate Angel's case in the new season of Someone Knows Something. Angel was a vibrant 19-year-old youth worker nicknamed Happy-Go-Lucky by some of her loved ones up in the Yukon. She had big plans after graduation to become legal guardian of her brother and was working to support struggling youth at her local

resource center. But in May 2007, as she was celebrating her graduation from high school, Angel disappeared. Months later, her remains were found in a remote area outside Whitehorse. In the highly anticipated eighth season of Someone Knows Something, I delve into this cold case that has haunted the whole area for more than 15 years. Working alongside Angel's family, friends, and community, I uncover new details about the case and strive to bring Angel justice while honoring the legacy of her late mother, Wendy. Here's the first episode, Angel. Have a listen. Thank you, Mom.

Okay, I feel better. I feel stronger now. I'll call you when I'm done, please. Okay. Okay, I love you. Okay, talk soon. Bye. Sorry.

You don't have to be sorry. Apologies. I've just avoided this part of my whole life, it seems. See that? That's willow? Yes. You can make tea out of that, and it has natural aspirin in it. Or if you get stung by a bee or something, you can chew up the leaves and then put it on the sting and it will relieve the pain. It's better in the spring when the sap is

running in the willow. It's stronger. I'm not much of a botanist but I know what my mother taught me. Over here. Oh. She was in there? Yep. I'm going to put some tobacco down. and honor. Quite peaceful having the birds sing. In late 2007, human remains were discovered here, in the wooded outskirts of a Yukon subdivision.

It was soon confirmed that they were those of an 18-year-old who disappeared from Whitehorse over five months earlier. Tiny, effervescent, and fiercely independent, her name was Angel Karlik. You ready? Are you okay? Yeah, I'm good. You want me to take you in there? Yeah. Okay, just follow me then.

I'm David Ridgen and this is Someone Knows Something, Season 8, The Angel Carlet Case. Episode 1. Angel. Well, my full name is Ethan Alexander. Ethan Alexander Karlik, or just Alex as I've come to know him, Angel's brother, now age 30 and living in Good Hope Lake, northern BC. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not really sure what you want to hear. Something about the way Angel disappeared so suddenly at an exciting time in her life and the effect that it had on her family struck me.

And when a window of opportunity arose, I decided to call Alex to check the status of the case and to see what he thought of my potential involvement in it. When I was close with my sister. When she turned 18, she tried to get me out of the group home. But then I was pretty much close to when she went missing. Because she went missing before her 19th birthday. I first read about Angel's case over a decade ago.

Hers was one of many cases of young Indigenous women who have gone missing or have been murdered in Canada. She and her family are members of the Kaskadena First Nation. The investigation seemed to be bogged down, as many are, by a lack of momentum and plenty of rumours. by a lack of momentum and plenty of rumours, and a mistrust of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, or RCMP, was pervasive and still is today. Coming out of all this, my belief is that Angel's full story needs to be heard, and that her case can be solved. I was only around like 16 and all that,

and we just depended on ourselves and my sister once we became like 11 years old. Pretty independent people. Yeah, I started cooking like when I was seven. We didn't really talk about our future and our lives together. We weren't really kind of like that kind of brother and sister. Never really asked what our future was going to look like. I asked Alex what he thinks of me looking into his sister's case. At some point after Angel's murder, Alex moved back to Good Hope Lake, home to the Dease River First Nation.

Alex works at a wood shop in the community that makes things like log cabins and wood products for the mining industry. Yeah, right now I'm enjoying my time off because I pushed it pretty hard to get all of our orders out. I saw a post from you that you were playing hockey too the other day. You do a recreational hockey team? Yeah, we got a team called GHL Blackhawks. Angel and Alex spent parts of their childhood in Good Hope Lake where they lived with their mother, Wendy. Later, Wendy moved the family to Whitehorse, several hours away by car, for Angel and Alex's schooling.

I guess she was just like other mothers and stuff around that age, and with residential stuff, she had her addictions, not drug addictions or anything like that, but with alcohol. During my childhood, yeah, she wasn't there all the time, but she was there most of the time. She always made sure I was taken care of and I always made sure there was food in the fridge. She was a good mom. She really cared about me. When she could, she always gave

me money and stuff. She was just a really special person, but she was a mom to a lot of people in Whitehurst. She wasn't just a mom to me. Angel and Alex were eventually separated, with Alex living in a group home and Angel living with friends or relatives or her mother Wendy. Alex tells me that at the time of Angel's disappearance, he was only seeing her sporadically, so didn't immediately recognize that Angel had disappeared. She just graduated and took off for a while, so I was just still praying for that. Eventually, Alex began to hear rumors.

When my sister went missing, there was a woman who came up to me in my school. She said, like, you're Angel's brother, right? I'm like, yeah. And she was like, well, I wanted to talk to you about it because my brother got beaten to death. And Angel witnessing it. She was like, that's why she's probably missing. Yeah, she says that her brother got beaten to death. Like she said, my sister supposedly might have witnessed this,

and that's why my sister's gone. And have you seen that person since? Do you know who that person is? No, no. I always thought about it though, but after years I've been thinking about it and I'm like, I wish I bumped into her, I wish I talked to her, even got her name. The murder that Alex is likely referring to is that of 52-year-old Colin Cerenko. Cerenko was assaulted and killed on May 22, 2007, within the same period that Angel was thought to have disappeared. Cerenko was reportedly beaten to death beside the Yukon River in Whitehorse. His case also remains unsolved. The story that Angel

had somehow witnessed Colin's murder circulated soon after she disappeared. It was reported early on that there was no link between Angel's case and Serenko's, but it's something I'll be looking into. Did you ever figure out or find out which person that she knew that saw her last? No. No. I'll need the help of people like Alex, Angel's family, and friends. That support and trust is always important to solving cases, but especially here. I'm a white man telling an Indigenous story, interacting with Angel's community. I don't take that lightly. Did police ever tell you anything about what happened to Angel?

Did they ever tell you anything about that? No. That's what's starting to be a red flag for me too. They don't really tell me, why don't you guys show me pictures or files or anything? Where are you guys hiding? They wanted to talk to me. They interviewed me. They just pretty much asked me the same questions

every last time they've seen your sister. They just pretty much asked me the same questions. And then they started asking me weird questions, trying to put me as a suspect, like they needed somebody to blame it on. Alex and I have been messaging each other on and off for months, mostly just to check in. Alex periodically moves between northern BC, Good Hope Lake, and Whitehorse, and he tells me he will be around Whitehorse in the window I'm considering for the journey. I've also been in touch with a few others

who were close to Angel, and they've agreed to participate. With these people on board, I'm feeling grateful and hopeful. I was about to cross into the Yukon here after a few days of driving. I'd say several thousand kilometers. It's been a few landslides and detours and floodings and things like that to get through, but not really a big deal. It's just a lot of driving because I'm not a great flyer.

The Yukon seems too big for words, or at least the words that I have are not enough. It sits like a gigantic triangle at the upper left of Canada, boreal, arctic, and tundra regions serviced by the Yukon River watershed and some of the biggest mountains in North America. A huge place with few humans, but nine bears in two hours. Lands covered in the pink-purple of fireweed, black spruce, and glacier-blue waters, with a freshness in the air that I've only ever encountered here, and a ruggedness that seems to define anyone or anything that lives or comes here. Thanks, Trevor. I'm just off to see if I can pick up Alex Carlic.

Last night he stayed at a friend's house. And the friend happens to be somebody who I think used to date Angel Carlic. Chris Dawson. So hopefully Chris is there. We can talk to Alex for the first time, really, in person. Let's see how this goes. It's a rainy, cold morning. Eight degrees. Mid-July, 2022.

In Whitehorse, Yukon. Laid out in a valley sandwiched around the Alaska Highway on one side and the Yukon River on the other, Whitehorse, the city, is spread across over 400 square kilometers. As the hub of the Yukon, there's a lot of official government buildings and mining offices, an airport, a university, bars and hotels, all dwarfed by the rugged river and mountains around them. Angel disappeared from this place,

and part of my focus going forward is to try to reconstruct her timeline here over her final days. Where was she? Who was she with? And when? I liked hearing the Ravens this morning. They reminded me of being up north in Thompson. Similar but different here in the Yukon on the other end of the country, really. The western end. Made me think of all my cases. It's a bit overwhelming, but I signed up for it.

Alex, he didn't know the address. He just said that there was a green Jeep in front, so I roughly know where he is. I pull up outside of a yellow-sided house with a green fence around a grassy yard. There's an old trailer with a tarp on top and a blue truck in the driveway, along with some wood that's been freshly chopped on the ground. I'm pretty sure this is the place. Okay, so he says, I got my brother and my sister,

so if you don't mind our company, they know who my sister was. Soon Alex emerges from the side of the house and walks tentatively in my direction. In cargo jeans, a baggy jacket, backwards black cap and thick silver chain. Alex, I recognize you. How are you doing? Pretty good. Nice to see you. I'm David.

How was your night last night? It's alright. Yeah? Well, thanks for coming all this way man I appreciate it sure the hell don't look like your freaking Facebook thing

uh I look probably older yeah a little bit of grey more sure

Alex has a friend with him a fellow in his 30s in an oversized coat and pants, wearing a baseball cap that says Ruthless. Chris Dawson steps closer. Hi, how are you?

Good to be back. My brother Chris, he was Angel's husband. Oh, okay. Chris, so you're Chris Dawson? Yeah. Chris Dawson is Angel's ex-boyfriend.

Alex calls him his brother, but Chris Dawson is someone I've been planning to track down for an interview. Okay, good. You want to come with us then? We'll chat about Angel

and you guys want breakfast? Yeah. Okay, good. We'll probably do that us then? We'll chat about Angel and you guys want breakfast? Yeah. Okay, good. We'll probably do that. Kind of want to grab some breakfast. Sure, yeah, let's do that. And we head out for breakfast. Can we go pick up my cousin?

Sure, yeah, we can pick up. I've got room for three probably. Around a few corners from where I picked up Alex and Chris, we pick up Krista, a slight, pleasant, and smiling woman in big sunglasses. She's referred to by Alex and Chris as Alex's wife, but I'm told this means Krista and Alex are girlfriend-boyfriend. What's up? I'm David. Together, the friends form a kind of support group for each other,

and especially, I think, for Alex. We head out to Tim Hortons for breakfast. So, left turn up here? That way? Yeah, that way. The sky has turned grayer and rainier, and we drive through it to a riverside park to settle at some wooden picnic tables under a gazebo. I think about her every day.

Chris Dawson opens up first. Every day of my life. Every time I wake up, I go to sleep. I love the Angels. The Angels was my soldier, man. I love the Angels. My soldier, man. Always, always happy-go-lucky. That was her nickname.

Happy-go-lucky. Yeah, it's a long time ago. It's hard to remember. I remember she looked so gorgeous last time I saw her. Oh my gosh. So beautiful. Tell me about the last time you remember seeing her

and what do you remember from those times and that day? We're at, they call it Hoochie Park. We're all drinking there. That's the last time I saw her. We sort of split up. I had to go home. I had to walk. She didn't want to walk with me, so... Okay, I'm going home.

It's the last time I saw her. Chris would have been walking to his home in a subdivision here in Whitehorse that locals refer to as The Village. It's about 4 kilometres or a 50-minute walk from downtown and home to the Kwanlin Dun First Nation Cultural Centre. What time, what day, do you know what day that would have been? I know it was summertime, nice and hot out. Yeah, we were all chilling out, having fun.

In police statements from the time, Dawson says he saw Angel at this park, which is referred to as LePage Park on a map, around 4 or 4.30 p.m. It's a near treeless concrete area at the center of Whitehorse, behind the Sternwheeler Hotel. But police records also indicate that Dawson saw Angel again, later at another park around 7pm.

The 420 park where Dawson told police he saw Angel borders a forested area at a cliffside below the airport in the southeast corner of Whitehorse, and is a favorite of locals for having parties and for people looking for a place to sleep or camp who have nowhere else to go. What do you remember, Alex, about seeing her? She asked me if I had any money and she asked if I had a drink. I told her no. It was like, spent all my money on your native grad. It was the last time I saw her was at the after party. Oh, after grad?

After grad. I saw her just like a glimpse of her, and then all I heard was that she hopped in a cab, and that's the last I heard of her. Did you hear about anybody else in the cab or any other people she'd been with that night? No, I just heard that she wanted to go home and she went home.

And who told you that she went into a cab? Do you remember? No. No, I don't. There's a party after all. Big party. Yeah. Like, people yelling and everything. That's the last I heard.

Each year, high school graduates and their families and friends attend what is called a native grad as well. Each of these grads has gatherings and parties associated with them, and it is during this very busy period that Angel disappeared. The timing of some of these events is known, but not that of others, and the stretch of time since that late spring of 2007 means that dates are more difficult, as is the process of constructing Angel's last moments. Many thought Angel had taken a trip somewhere but would be coming back. This begs the question, when exactly did the

police start their investigation, and how thoroughly? What tips did they receive, and did they chase every one? And I want to see these locations where Angel was allegedly last seen. Chris Dawson implies that all along, he's been a prime suspect. I got polygraphed four times. You got polygraphed? Four times. I'm like, why has God polygraphed me so many times, man? You don't believe me? Like, you know? It's like, fuck, man. What what are you guys fucking investigating me

you should be out there fucking investigating shit man not me what kind of questions were they asking you the same questions it was the last time you seen her last time you talked to her I was drinking with her at Gucci Park

and we split up she didn't want to come home with me so well I gotta go home drinking with her at Poochie Park. And we split up. She didn't want to come home with me, so, well, I got to go home. Yeah, it's pretty rough thinking about this. At least I got loved ones here with me. It's clear that Alex is struggling. Got my wife right there, got my brother. It's the only thing that keeps me going.

Alex's state of mind as we look into Angel's case is something I'm trying to attune to. Alex's state of mind as we look into Angel's case is something I'm trying to attune to. Revisiting these traumatic experiences is always difficult, especially for family members. I look around and everyone is huddled up and starting to shiver. It's kind of cold out here, bud. I know, I'm sorry. I'm keeping you guys all freezing. We can keep chatting over the next few days and stuff. Yeah, I'll be there with my brother.

You guys are all cool to be together? It's nice that you're supporting each other here, eh? We leave the park, and since his room is now ready, I drop everyone off at Alex's hotel for the time being. We make a plan to meet up later. In 2017, it felt like drugs were everywhere in the news.

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now wherever you get your podcasts. Just heading into Lori's place now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's too many cables in this fucking job. Alright, let's get this done. Oh, she's at the front. Oh, there she is.

Hello. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Thanks for doing this. So is this the entrance? Is this it over here? Lori Strand lived with Angel at the time of Angel's disappearance, but she also took care of Angel and Alex for periods throughout their younger lives. Lori is 40 years old and a member of the Southern Tuchoni Nation. She's about 5'9 and projects a reassuring aura of capability and determination.

She says she'll do anything for Angel, and she's taken time away from her work as a dental assistant and receptionist to help with the investigation. I was with Alex, and there was an entourage that would come with him every time, so there was... I'm not surprised. It was fine. It was good, actually. I time. I'm not surprised. It was fine.

It was good, actually. I think offering support for him, so it was good. You may or may not know all of them, but Chris Dawson was there. He was there. Angel dated him for a bit. Yeah. So it's quite small. Oh, that's good. But I still live here because it's close to my work.

We walk into Lori's comfortable-looking one-bedroom apartment. There's a north-facing large window and an open space that includes a small kitchen area, art photos on the walls, giant flat TV. Okay, okay. Angel lived here? Angel lived here, yeah, and where that dreamcatcher is, she made that at the youth center. And her bed was underneath it, obviously. Oh, so here.

But I have never touched it. I just leave it there for her. Pinned to the ceiling above what is now a dining table, a small circular dreamcatcher wrapped in a white vinyl strapping. At its center, a string matrix with small translucent yellow beads along the strands. I take a picture of it hanging there, tiny against the room. Angel made this with her own hands about 15 years ago.

It's now covered in dust. The youth center where Angel made it was called the Blue Feather at the time. Angel worked there and helped in the kitchen as a cook, and with various other enrichment activities for the youth in her community. I'll be looking into her time at Blue Feather, who she worked with, what people remember. Blue Feather is gone now, as is the building that housed it. And did Angel put that there? Yeah, she put that there. Do you want a cup of coffee or anything? I will not say no to that. Yeah. Thanks so much for helping with this because it's really hard to sort of break into the community and say,

hey, I'm here to whatever, you know, it's nice. I was kind of wondering how Alex was going to deal with it, but I mean, it goes in waves and it really does depend on who he's with. He is one of the strongest people I know. Yeah. Just because not everybody experiences those events in their life. Is it a good place to sit or where you want to? Wherever you want to. We grab two big mugs of coffee and sit on the couch.

I can feel Lori gathering herself for what she's expecting to come. So Angel slept there and you were in here and was there anyone else in the place? No, not at that time. It was just the two of us and we had a little Rubbermaid set of drawers for all of our clothes and everything. I asked Laurie to back up and start at the beginning. Laurie was dating a man named Miles Carleck at the time

who also goes by Miles Many Grey Horses. Miles is Angel and Alex's cousin and it was through that connection at the time, who also goes by Miles Many Grey Horses. Miles is Angel and Alex's cousin, and it was through that connection at the age of 22 that Lori says she first came into contact with Wendy Carlic and her two children. Because Wendy was partying a lot then, and we didn't want her to lose the kids again. So we moved in to kind of regulate things and make sure that the family was functioning. And then Miles and I moved into here, which Alex's group home is

just down the street. And that way I was close by if they wanted to hang out. Wendy was a single parent. Yeah, Wendy was a single parent. And Wendy had struggles, and because of that, both Alex and Angel were sort of brought in and out of the situation. Yeah. When I met Angel and Alex, their mother moved up from Good Hope to have the kids go to school here,

because the school in Good Hope Lake only went up to grade six I think and so they had to move to Whitehorse. We just didn't want Wendy to lose the house because she had a three-bedroom town row house. Yeah. Yeah and then things got better and Wendy was back on the ups you know and back on her. So we moved out and we got this place because it was close enough to the Taylor Street house. Right. And then when Alex went into the group homes again, we were close enough. I can show you. It's just down the alley.

Okay. And then Alex said that Angel tried to get him out of the group home at some point. Yeah. Was that to bring him here? No, it was just her goal to get done school, get a job, and to get Alex. Like, she wanted it to be the two of them and have a stable home. And that was her goal. And she talked about, like, when she's older, she wanted to help kids in her situation, you know.

And I just wanted her to get an education. I was like, just go be a dentist or go be a nurse. Like, get an established career because she was really brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. Lori describes lives and childhoods disrupted. She and Miles were young and just building the relationship when they took Angel and Alex in, and they weren't that much older than Angel and Alex at the time either.

How was Miles with them, and over the time did it change, or was it always the same? I always pushed him to be more of a male role model figure for them, but he always kept it as like a brother relationship, and I didn't really agree with it because, I mean, a young man needs somebody to mentor them. Miles very much liked his video games and would spend hours on them, and I'm like, why don't you go take him skating or something? When I met Angel and Alex Alex was this cute little boy his ears were so big he had to like grow into his ears and Angel was just sweet she was really quiet and she liked helping me in the

kitchen she was a better cook than me um probably would still be uh she's thoughtful in small ways just little things like uh i like candles so sometimes you know if she had some extra money and she was by the dollar store she'd buy like a little candle like whatever she'd always be cleaning moving around movie nights and stuff were fun. She liked to crack little jokes here and there. I asked Lori how Angel came back to live with her in this apartment closer to the time she disappeared. I'm always lending out a hand helping somebody. I just like to help people, I guess.

But what happened was she had a place up in the village with her boyfriend Chris and she would call me periodically and be like I'm hungry I don't have any money for food and I would just like raid my cupboards and bring things up to her and then I don't know what happened between her and her ex there. And she's like, I don't want to stay there anymore. I want to stay with you. It's right on the bus route. And I was like, yeah, okay, come on in.

So that's Chris you're talking about, what happened with her ex. So how long was it between the point where something happened with Chris and she moved in here semi-permanently? I think about a year. A year. Okay, so quite a long time. Like a school year. Like a school year. So she was think about a year. A year. Okay, so quite a long time. Like a school year. Yeah. Like a school year.

So she was here for a year before she disappeared. Who was she hanging around with at the time? You said her partner. Was that Chris that you came back and saw them partying? No, it was Mark at the time. Okay. And Mark, what's his last name? Porter?

Yeah, Mark Porter. Mark Porter was reportedly dating Angel at the time she disappeared. She and Chris Dawson had broken up months before that. Porter doesn't seem to be in town at the moment, so I set him aside for now. And I don't really ever remember her dating anyone else other than them, too. I can be really, like, of a dry personality if I, like I didn't really warm up to them. I just wanted her to focus on school more than boys and going partying and stuff. When she went missing, she was partying a lot and like we'd get noise complaints. Like I

came home once and her and her partner were really drunk and um I was really upset and so if I knew she was partying a little too much I would take the key away and be like okay if you're gonna party all weekend and I don't I'm leaving town as well like I can't get us kicked out so that's my biggest regret is the weekend she went missing I knew she was gonna be partying and I didn't want her to have a party and I wasn't here. So I took the key away. And yeah, it's like the hardest, like it was that decision that really kicks me in the butt. Things could have been different. Well, that's a connection that you might make, but it might have made absolutely no difference, too.

So, you know, you have to measure that. Laurie tells me more about the after-grad party that was planned for that weekend. Casual, unsupervised, and popular. And the after-grad party would start at what, like 9 o'clock or something? Probably 8 or 9, yeah. Where was it? I think it's still out at Chadburn Lake. I can show you.

I'll be looking to speak with others about this party at Chadburn. I ask Lori if she has any photos of Angel. I do have one. I put it away for safekeeping. So she was getting really excited for graduation, and I gave her money to go get her high school graduation photo, and she's all kind of glammed up in it. It's really hard for me to see it every day. Anything else that belonged to Angel,

Lori says she was careful to give it back to her family. And within my culture, you put everything away for a year, and I kept it for the year and then gave it back to the family. Everything that was hers, I made sure her grandmother and her mother got it back to Good Hope. But Lori did keep the dream catcher and something else. I've had this coat in my closet for years. Just keep it as we keep saying.

Nothing special, but... It's a small coat that still looks new. It's DC. It was one of her favorite brands. I honestly don't know where she got this coat, but she wore it. And it's kind of rain jacket-y. It looks like a boy's coat to me. I don't know. So it's got kind of like a pattern, sort of one of those endless patterns.

Does it have an inside pocket on it? Inside? Oh, yeah. Anything in it? No. When she first went missing, it kind of smelled like her, so I would just kind of cuddle with it.

But, yeah, it doesn't smell like her anymore. Lori's memories of Angel intensify as she traces the design on the coat with her fingers. She smiles as she presses the fabric to her heart. And then a tear forms. The thing with Angel's Killer, what really freaks me out is this person is probably close enough in this small community that I might be greeting this person with happy, joyous moments. You know, like I might be happy to see this person.

And they have this dark secret and I honestly believe that somebody in this community knows and they're just choosing not to say and letting Alex and the rest of Angel's family including myself be tortured because there's not a day that goes by that you don't think of her and it might be something little like when my nephew he we were at the beach last summer and he had dirty feet and I was washing them in the lake and I was thinking of like angel just popped into my head and I thought of her little stubby feet you you know? And a lot of her friends are parents now,

and, you know, like, I could be another auntie, like, to her kids. I'm probably going to eat one of those in a second. It's okay. Sorry to make you go through all this. No, it's okay. I don't really talk about her outside of my trusted circle

of friends and family. It's hard, you know? You lost your phone? Hey bud, could you phone her phone? She lost her phone. What the hell was that? Right beside you. You lost it right next to yourself. Back in my rental car with Alex, Chris, and Krista.

I got to be down here anyways. Actually, at three. You got to talk to the prosecutor? Yeah. I wouldn't mind seeing what happens with that, but I can't be there at two places at once. So you can tell me what happens after that, maybe. Alex is talking about visiting prosecutors in Whitehorse, but I have another interview booked and cannot go with him,

even if they would allow me to be there. But the prosecutors aren't connected to his sister Angel's case. They're working on his mother's, Wendy. If it's not going to happen the way that I want it, if I'm not going to get justice for my mom, I want you to make sure that the whole fucking world knows what happened. Well, for sure they're going to know what happened to your sister and your mom. Well, for sure they're going to know what happened to your sister and your mom. In 2017, Alex's mother, Wendy Carlic, was also murdered.

Sarah McIntosh, a friend Wendy was with at the time, was killed too. A man named Everett Chief was arrested and convicted for both crimes, and Alex wants to make sure Chief is given a proper sentence. Neither Wendy nor Sarah's murder has been deemed by police to be connected to Angel's. But either way, Alex has been left alone. We drive into the empty parking lot of a Staples store. It's raining, and as we all get out of the car, none of us have raincoats. On the expansive wall in front of us, the entire side of the store is a gigantic painted mural.

Angel and her mother Wendy's faces side by side, rendered over six feet high, bordered by two wolves, colored clouds, and traditional northwestern eagles. Angel herself used to help paint murals just like this around Whitehorse as part of her job for Bluefeather. Alex has been here many times. Is it a good likeness? Yeah. I helped paint this wolf. What goes through your head when you see this?

Too much fucking wood. You know what lost a lot of people in this last year, right? Well, if you want to get a picture of us, like, let's do this. I want to get the fuck out of here. Okay, stand right here. I want to get the fuck out of here. Stand right here. And we do.

I drop Alex, Chris, and Krista off at the hotel and drive along the road closest to the river. I'm not sure where this is going to go, but I feel the need to be here on the ground even more strongly now. What does justice look like in this case? Maybe there will be some healing. Maybe Alex and Angel's friends will benefit from this process. I'm ready to keep going, dissolve as many rumors as I can, find the people who know. I see a raven flying straight down the center of the river. I have my support group too.

How far did police get? Did they look into any tips? The woman who approached Alex? Where was the last confirmed sighting of Angel? And who was she with? What happened to Angel Carlic? This season on Someone Knows Something, the Angel Carlic case.

I always just loosely look back and wish that I didn't let her go alone. I had an experience during the time Angel was missing and it always sort of haunted me. Whoever did this didn't expect she would ever be found again. That is my belief as well. So after that was said, I felt like, wow, I might have some really serious information towards this case.

All he said was, like, don't make me do to you what I did to Angel Carlic or something like that. And he straight up told me that he would put me under the ground like my little friend Angel and nobody would know what happened to me either. Thank you. Designed by Evan Kelly. Natalia Ferguson is our transcriber. Emily Connell is our digital producer. Chris Oak is our story editor. Our executive producer is Cecil Fernandez. And the director of CBC Podcasts is Arif Noorani. If you want to help new listeners discover the show, please rate and review wherever you listen.

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