Undoctrinate Yourself - #37 - Dr. Madhava Setty

Episode Date: March 12, 2025

Dr. Madhava Setty is a board certified anesthesiologist, electrical engineer, and author of the book Woke: An Anesthesiologist's View. Also see episode 34 for our first interview together. In this conversation, we dive into Ra's The Law of One (as we teased in episode 34).Madhava's substack: https://madhavasetty.substack.com/Madhava's instagram: https://www.instagram.com/splinterinyourmindSatya Narayan Goenka and meditation courses:https://www.dhamma.org/en/about/goenkaAaron Abke's youtube playlist on the Law of One:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seaJcY0kXjk&list=PLKVRMm6i0kggMtjKecjF51t_0yp5ydPs8Follow Alexis on Instagram: www.instagram.com/dralexisjazmynFollow Alexis on X: https://x.com/dralexisjazmynFollow the podcast: www.instagram.com/undoctrinateyourselfpod

Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Undoctrinate yourself. Today I have a repeat guest that was highly requested, actually, and people are really looking forward to this episode. Dr. Mada Vesetti, he was also here on episode number 34, which is a couple episodes ago. And today we're going to be talking about something that's very, I would say, unique and not something I've covered before on the pod because I haven't actually looked into it myself yet, though I've heard some incredible things about this text called The Law of One that was a channeled work. That's about all I know about it by Raw. And so today, Dr. Setti is going to unpack the law of one for us. And, you know, first of all, tell us what it's about. And then also frame some of our, some of the things we've been going through societally. And as a species, let's say, and as consciousness recently, there's a lot of tumultuous things happening. And I think from what I understand, the text has a lot to do to frame up what we're experiencing through a lens that's actually more empowering than anything else. So first of all, thanks for coming back on, Dr. Setti. I'm really excited to have this conversation.

Oh, it's great to be here with you, Alexis. You're a great interviewer. It's a great podcast. I love the title, Undoctrinate yourself. It's like exactly what we need right now. And of course, please call me Madova. I'm on it. Yes.

So, okay, first of all, maybe we can just start by how did you find this text and just a very high level, like what is the law of one? Mm-hmm. Let me start this way in terms of how I found it. And as my friends like to say, I always say that all roads lead to Canal Street, which is where the World Trade Center complex is. And I'm going to frame it in a story, which is how I arrived at the law of one. And it started with my eyes opening to the 9-11 story. And, you know, obviously we don't want to talk about 9-11 today. There's lots of research out there that your audience should really check out. It is a, it completely reframes my entire worldview. And what I would say with regard to that is when I encountered the obvious lies that we were being told by our authorities around that massive event, it put into question everything that I've ever learned about everything.

And suddenly I realized that I didn't know anything. I was just believing things. and I would like to take a moment here to describe how important it is to be able to distinguish knowing something and believing something. And the reason why that's important is that knowing comes with a level of confidence, one where there is no flexibility, one where there's only certainty because you know it. Believing, on the other hand, acknowledges the fact that you're trusting something else, some other source. and that flexibility, which I would call uncertainty, is what makes us agile in changing our worldview or our understanding when new information comes around. And it's a very subtle distinction, which I realized as I was reconfiguring my understanding

of the world back then, this was seven years ago, is to really look at what do I mean by I know something versus what I believe? And as an exercise for your audience, I will suggest this, which is in 2012, the National Science Foundation did a survey of the American people. And among the questions that were asked were, do you believe that the sun goes around the earth, or do you think that the earth goes around the sun? So I am sure that everybody here understands that the earth goes around the sun. and the sun does not orbit the earth every day, giving us night and daytime, we're spinning on an axis. Guess how many people thought the opposite, that the sun goes around the earth? You want to venture, I guess? I mean, just maybe, I don't know, 15%. Yes. I mean, that's already

an embarrassing number, right? That's one in seven. The answer was one and four, 25%. And the rest of us will sit there and regard those people, those one and four, that 25% of Americans and think, oh, my goodness, you, like, are you that ignorant? You know, this is something that obviously we've known for hundreds of years. But my question to you or my question to them, the 75% who've got the answer right, how do you know? Can you prove it to me without referring to a third party? And the reality is, is that most people don't know how we know that. And the answer to that question is very, very complicated. And it is not as simple as looking out the window in 2024

and knowing that that's what's going on. Because in reality, you cannot prove it using observational astronomy from the Earth's surface alone. And to answer the question, how did we figure this out, even though we had, you know, Galileo at the end of the 17th, beginning of the 17th century with this telescope pointing at the moons of Jupiter and saying, look, we have moons that are going around Jupiter. That's clear. You can see it from my telescope. However, that was treated as an exception to the rule. Like, yes, we have moons going around Jupiter,

but everything rotates around the earth. And there is absolutely nothing you can say to counter that argument because you don't know for sure, because all of those things up in the sky could be doing that in a very complicated way. So how did we figure out? It turns out that Galileo died under house arrest because he refused to recant his idea. And the world did not shift in terms of our understanding until 50 years later when a breakthrough occurred through the work of Sir Isaac Newton, who then described how we can reliably predict how objects with mass move. And once that became accepted as the way things are, the church had to recant their story

because they could not explain these crazy motions and loops that our planets were making to give us retrograde motion and all of these complicated movements that would have to be present in order to come up with a earth-centered or geocentric solar system. So anyway, that's an aside. But my point here is that examine the fact, if you didn't know, that, I would say up to this point, you've just been believing that the sun is in the center of the solar system. You didn't know it. And that's a very important point to begin with. So at that point in 2017, where I opened my eyes to 9-11, I started to question everything. I mean,

like everything. And this offered an open door to look at things that, you know, many people would call pseudoscience or, you know, like paranormal stuff and religion and, you know, astrology, you know, all of these things, we just sort of discount as scientists as being fanciful. Obviously there's, you know, how can the, how can our celestial bodies, for example, control or dictate our lives, right? That seems ridiculous. And, I understand why that is. And that again is potentially a misconception of what astrology means. What if astrology really is actually the clockwork by which a civilization progresses in a very, very, I would say, strict way?

We don't know the answer to that question. Once again, we're left with uncertainty, which is something we need to embrace. So from there, I became interested in extraterrestrials and UFOs and things like that. And I found that I had no idea of how much evidence there is of an extraterrestrial presence on the planet. And you can go and look at many, many different things. And obviously, there's distortion coming from our authorities. There's no question that they've been hiding something. And what that is, we don't know.

But we're also making a mistake when we just say, oh, everything they say is just a lie. So UFOs must be false because they're now, you know, disclosing the fact that there may be things out there. So we shouldn't believe anything they're saying. On the other hand, like every big lie or big kind of distortion that we've been given, the reason why it resonates and we believe it to be true is that there is elements of truth in the story mixed in with mendacity. So, We have to be very, very discerning when we decide that we are going to reject out of hand something. And that's, you know, another pointer for anyone who's interested in improving discernment.

So I'm going to say something about astrology because this is all sort of tied together. Because we are talking about an age of Aquarius. Perhaps we've all heard of this, right? And, you know, what does that mean? Well, astrologically what they're saying, and I'm not an astrologer, but I've opened my mind to understanding or considering what they've been saying, is that in this new time, the individual is going to be responsible for knowing themselves or knowing for themselves, as opposed to listening to institutions, whether that be scientific or religious to tell you what the truth is. This is kind of a major, major breakthrough in our society. And whether or not the astrologers are full of it or not, I would say that most of us here would probably say, well, gosh, that certainly seems like that's the case right now because

we don't know who to trust. Even our most trusted institutions, scientific institutions, cannot be trusted. 100%. So, and then that leaves you with a very, very precarious situation, which is how do you know what's going on then if you can't trust anyone? And especially the so-called free press, which we understand is extremely controlled, hopefully. I hope COVID taught us about what's, you know, the state of the reality with regards to the press. And, you know, institutions like the Grey Lady, the New York Times, the Washington Post, I mean, they're being caught up in lies right now left and right.

And they don't prevaricate everything, but they tell us something and then they throw in stuff that isn't true as well. So we're stuck. And I would suggest that if you believe that you cannot know for yourself, then we are very, very screwed because that's all we have. And, you know, that's been my main focus of my writing. It's about cultivating intuition about things. And in order to access your intuition, the first thing you have to do is get rid of all of your biases first. And I understood seven years ago that I was completely biased. You know, every Saturday we would listen to NPR and do, you know, the puzzles.

Wait, wait, don't tell me, right? Which is sort of a new show. And I'd get everything right because I listened to NPR and I knew all the answers. So I must know what's going on, not knowing that those guys are not necessarily telling us the truth about things, right? So anyway, I would just like to start by saying that it was an enormous catalyst for awakening, just the 9-11 story because now I started to look at things in a much more interesting way

or an open way, knowing that I didn't know. I just was believing. So we're now entering the age of Aquarius. And look, I know we're going to get to the loved one, which is very, very interesting, but these are the kinds of things that I was really mulling over.

Like, what is an age, for example? What is an astrological age? Like, do we understand what that is? And I would suggest that most people don't know what that is. astronomically, we say, oh, it's the age of Aquarius. They did a Broadway show on that, like, you know, 50 years ago, right? Isn't that what that is?

Well, what's interesting here is that the age refers to a constellation that appears in the east when the sun rises on the first day of spring. And what's fascinating about that is we just came out of the age of Pisces, which is the constellation of Pisces. is in the east. And let's be, I'm going to be, I'm going to go into a little more detail here, right? Like we have all these stars that are surrounding our solar system that are relatively unmoving with respect to the solar system. They're fixed for the, for all intents and purposes. So as we orbit the sun, we're going to be looking at different constellations at different times

of the year. So right now, we're looking towards the east on the first day of spring and we see Pisces and the sun rises in the constellation of Pisces. And now, for some reason, that constellation now is going to be Aquarius for about 2,100 years. Why is that happening? And I would say, first of all, notice that when the constellations are changing and rotating around us, it takes about 26,000 years for all of the constellations to go around, it gives us the impression that we are, actually in the center of the universe. Like all these stars are sort of like rotating in this great year, we would call it. But that's actually not what's happening. What is happening actually, and this again, I hope you're not getting too impatient about the law of one. Oh, not at all. I like the

winding road. This is great. Okay, good. So what's really happening here is if you asked someone, where would we be, where would the Earth be with respect to its orbit exactly one year from today? Most people would say, well, exactly where we are right now, because it takes exactly one year for the Earth to go around. The reality is that is true, but that is not how we measure a year. We measure a year that's 20 minutes less than the actual period of the Earth's orbit. And the reason why we do that is because the beginning of a season and the end of a season has to do completely with the angle the rays of the sun hit the earth. And the first day of spring is a day where the amount of sunlight is equal to the amount of nighttime. So we have exactly, you know, 12 hours or, you know, in a couple minutes or whatever.

whatever that is. That is the first day of spring. Now, the issue here is that the earth is rotating on its axis, and that axis is wobbly. It's a very, very slow wobble. And if you can imagine a top spinning, you'll see that the top, even though it's spinning very, very quickly around its axis, the axis is starting to do this. And the reason why it does this is complicated, but it has to do with all of the gravitational forces of the other bodies in our solar system that is pulling it in this sort of way. It takes 26,000 years for the Earth to do this once, the Earth's axis. What that means is, is that in exactly one year from today, the Earth's axis is going to be slightly different than it was a year ago. And that slight difference is the 20 minutes that we have to

account for. So my point here is the rays of the sun will hit the earth exactly the same way in exactly one year minus 20 minutes. What does that mean? Well, that means that as the years go by, the earth with respect to the seasons is going backwards in its orbit, ever so slightly. This is the procession of the equinox, right? It's the procession of the equinox. Correct. It's exactly. So if we were measuring a year exactly to a year, we would find that our seasons would start to change in terms of our, the date.

And we would, you know, start to have on the first day of spring today in 2,500 years, March 21st would actually be the first. day of summer because of this wobble. And so we have established the fact that we're going to use a period that is 20 minutes less than the actual period. And so what that means is, is that the Earth every year is based on the seasons is sliding back in its orbit. And so over 2,500 years, a new constellation will appear in the east. And the reason why this is important and fascinating, I find these things fascinating because it's all new to me or became new to me. I thought I knew something about astronomy, but I didn't. Is that imagine a society that is able to detect this slight change.

It would be the eldest members of that society who were paying attention, who would say, boy, you know, when I was a kid, that star was a little bit off compared to where it is now. What is going on? And so you would have to have a society that had a number of amazing accomplishments. One is the fact that it has to endure through hundreds, if not thousands of years. It had to record these measurements in a way that was very precise. And it had to have the time to lift its gaze from the berries and nuts on the ground for food up into the heavens to ponder. So that in and of itself for a society is quite remarkable.

And we have ancient societies that map this very, very accurately. So what is the relevance of all of this, right? The relevance here is that when we consider astrology to be this woo-woo-sudoscience where celestial bodies affect the way we think, it's also possible that the evolution of our species is connected to our celestial bodies and the clockwork, which is in front of us. And to me, that's a better way of looking at astrology. So we have this. Also, I started looking at extraterrestrials.

And I don't know if your audience is familiar with Stephen Greer. Do you know who Stephen Greer is? Oh, wasn't he on Rogan's podcast? He's been on Rogan's podcast. and he's made several movies, and he's considered by many to be the grandfather disclosure. And he will take a group of people out into the to desolate areas. And he believes that you can, in fact, initiate contact with extraterrestrial species by, guess what? By meditating.

And the point here is he's offering something very interesting, which is, you know, those, if there are extraterrestrials, they're not necessarily super advanced technologically. They're actually advanced spiritually. These are yogis. These are meditators. These are Buddhas out there that have transcended our particular way of life and have gone to the stars because they've, you know, worked together. So I had the opportunity to go out there with him in 2018 because my mind was open to everything at that point. I wanted to know and see with my own eyes.

And, you know, this is not a endorsement of Dr. Greer, neither is a repudiation of him. I just don't think that he actually has the full story. And he is extremely well-intending. And I don't necessarily believe in everything that he's saying. My wife then went on another outing with Stephen Greer a few months later. and she had a similar experience to mine, which is like, this is really interesting. I can't really say to all of my skeptical friends that I saw something amazing that was clearly proof of extraterrashals out there that show up at our behest. But while she was out there, she ran into another stargazer who said, you know what?

You should really look at the law of one. And we're like, well, what is this law of one thing? And so as you introduced the topic, Alexis, the log one is a channeled source of information that was received by a trio between 1981 and 1984. And those three were chosen, let's say, by the entity that was communicating to them, which called itself raw. and Ra says that they are just like us except they're

100 million to a billion years ahead of us in terms of their own development and they have chosen to communicate with this trio because they said that this trio had a very low chance of distorting the message and

Ra says that they've been communicating this philosophy to human kind for thousands of years. And every time they do that, someone shows up and distorts the message and it becomes, you know, ways of controlling people. And they've arrived at this point because they feel like they have an obligation to correct things. So that is the, that is the, that is the, uh, the general sense of what's going on with the law of one. And here's what's interesting is that these channeling sessions occurred over 105 different sessions over three years from January of 1981

approximately to the same month in 1984. And every single session was transcribed by one of the members. It was recorded on three different tape recorders and then it was disseminated. And the fascinating thing about this body of information is that there were three participants and three only. One acted as the channel. Her name was Carla Rookhart. And she was a devoted Christian. And she was particularly adept at entering a trance state.

Now, she provided a two-way channel of communication between Ra, who said that they were. were speaking as a collective voice of an entire civilization. In their existence, they no longer have to take physical form. They exist as energy and knowledge and they share all the same ideas and thoughts. And they were speaking through Carla to Don Elkins, who was originally a pilot for Eastern Airlines. And when he was younger, as a pilot, as a pilot, he saw a UFO and I believe he saw two and that sent him on a quest to figure out what was going on. He was a very, very thoughtful and kind human being and very smart. He was also a professor of physics. So he was the one that brought these three people together. And what he found was

he was also interested in the paranormal at the time, right? And so here again, we have another individual who is, you know, applied scientist, a pilot, but availed himself of the possibility that there are other things that you cannot see or measure, which I think is an enormous boon and talent of any, I would say, legitimate researcher is you have to realize that you don't know everything. And it's not so wise to discount things that you can't measure. So over the years, he not only was he became a very adept UFO investigator and he was aligned or allied with a lot of big voices in the UFO disclosure community back in the 60s and 70s, but he would also go to these seances.

And what he found was, you know, by a seance, it's like a bunch of people to get together and there's some channel in the middle of the room and that person will say, oh, yes, I've got someone here. She says she's the grandmother of blah, blah, blah. And someone in the audience will say, oh, that's my grandmother. And, you know, and questions were asked and exchanged. But every once in a while, an entity would show up. And the channel in these sands would say, well, this is interesting because this entity says that they're not from Earth.

And that was sort of something that dawned on Don Elkins. And he thought, oh, my God, maybe they're communicating telepathically, not simile. showing up in the sky in these spaceships that do crazy things. And so he spent decades trying to bring together people to attempt to make contact telepathically. And it was that, it was at that time where Carla and Don and the third person whose name is Jim McCarty made contact with Raw. And right away, they were like, holy cow, this is the real deal. This is really amazing. And What I would like to say is what's fascinating here is that Don Elkins was a physicist, a pilot, a, you know, have a strong grasp of physics and history. And he was able to ask questions.

And the answers would come back. And the answers that did come back were just so elegant and beautiful. And you have to read it for yourself to at least allow it to sink in that, boy, that. kind of response to that question doesn't seem like it came from a human mind. It's almost impossible to suggest that all these three people just made these responses up and they're trying to fool us. Don also was extremely, extremely thoughtful in his questioning. And not only did he ask about human history and where we've been in characters in our in our, in our, in our collective history, he asked very, very specific questions about what is the nature of light

and what is the proper number of dimensions used to properly define space time? Are we making mistakes? Why haven't we gotten further in our space exploration? And the answers will just blow you away. So let me let me stop there before I go on. Wow. Yeah. This is so good. I actually maybe worth mentioning here for some context. Like I've always been very open to everything, basically. I don't know why that is exactly. But what I can offer there as a little tidbit is that I grew up in a home raised by a mother who spoke in tongues. She was a devout Christian. And she would get into these meditative states and start speaking any number of languages. really could have been anything and she didn't take classes or anything for that it was just her own

spiritual practice so i feel like that was very formative in a certain way like there's something to this stuff and like also i've had the experience even just like public speaking where i'm like it feels almost like channeling where like i feel like i'm zoomed out and i'm literally watching myself speak from you know just getting information from somewhere and i feel like that's not totally uncommon it's just that a lot of people will chalk it up to something in the rational mind versus something that could be, you know, more, not paranormal, but like supernatural or just beyond what the mechanistic reductionist science will tell you. And also with regards to astrology, so I took a training earlier this year in astroarbalism. It was like 250 hours.

And I really liked the way they, they, like, framed it. It was through the School of Evolutionary Herbalism, basically looking at astrology as like a series of archetypes that are expressed within all, beings to a certain extent that basically, you know, was interpreted through the lens of seasons. And so like Ares, for example, being a cardinal fire sign, well, that's the beginning of spring.

That's when warmth and fire is coming back into nature. And so when the signs were assigned, let's say, that had to do a lot with alchemy and just an observation of the seasons and the energetic qualities of each season. So like Cardinal fire being Ares the first sign, warmth coming back in, fixed earth, Taurus is the middle of spring. The fixed signs are always in the middle of the season.

Fixed because, you know, Earth is kind of becoming this beautiful, like in blossom. Like a lot of things are becoming manifest in the spring because there's so much vitality and moisture and heat coming from the sun as well. It's coming back into our ecosystems. And then we can go to Gemini, which would be mutable air, which is the mutable sign. are moving between seasons and essentially we're getting this movement into summertime and this like transitory um energy and i feel like it's really helpful to think about like the energetic qualities of each season how that relates to the expression of each sign i think it makes a ton of sense when we

think about it in that way um and just kind of put some language to because i think a lot of people when they think of astrology they think it's just like pulled out of somebody's ass but it's actually rooted in observations that our ancestors made about certain times times of year, certain seasons, like different qualities of people born in certain seasons. And this was further kind of put together for me when I started studying human design, which was also a channeled work, which was also channeled during the 80s, but I don't remember if it was 81 to 84. He, this guy, uh, crack hour is his last name, but he channeled this work over the course of like eight days. And he described it as all of the water being siphoned from his body and then put

back into him with the information. And it was like absolutely excruciating. And he barely survived it, he said, but was also very interesting with respect to quantum biology, which I'm really into studying right now and how we're beginning to understand that water has this immense capacity to hold information, like, beyond what we could even fathom. So, like, I had a bunch of dots connecting when I first learned that. And also interestingly, he said that that information for the human design program was channeled into multiple people around the world, but like most of them didn't survive it. And he found, like, a couple people in insane asylums that got, not the same information, but they weren't able to integrate it in the way that he was for whatever

reason. So they ended up being institutionalized. But anyway, that's just to say in human design, he describes from this channeled work that neutrinos are the major mechanism by which were influenced by the celestial bodies. And even modern physics will tell you that like 70% of the neutrino streams that are interacting with Earth come from the sun. We also know that the sun is a major influence on like in astrology. We could say like the sun is ruling like kind of your life path, your cardiovascular system, your heart, basically your vital force, and that the sun is providing this major source of neutrino streams should then make sense from that perspective as well, but that all of the celestial bodies are providing some fraction of the other 30% of the neutrinos

that can be basically influenced the way that our bodies and our psyches are expressing themselves. So I thought that was a really interesting connection as well. It's not just like, you know, you're born at a certain time of year and that's influencing you, but it's like where are the specific orientations and proximities of different celestial bodies and how are those neutrinos then interacting with your system when you're born in order to influence basically how you're going to express throughout your lifetime and also with respect to transits as well. So anyway, that's just my little asides that maybe would be interesting to people.

I've just been kind of collecting information and connecting dots since I started going down the rabbit hole with astrology like three years ago. and then human design more recently over the past six months. But that's all just to say that like the aspect of like or the concept of channeling, I think, really always resonated with me just because of my early life experiences, but that there's just an immense amount of wisdom that we don't even know like how we're getting access to it. But I think through those meditative states like you were mentioning, we can make contact with beings or forces or energies that are like beyond what we could

conceptualize through the rational mind, let's say. Well, my question to you, Alexis, is when you were a young girl and you saw your mother doing that, speaking in tongues, why did you just dismiss it as craziness? You know, that's what I'm kind of interested in. Yeah, I mean, I guess it started at such a young age that it felt like normal. Like I just and she would often do it like in prayer. So and I feel like she was very adept at that. I feel like she had actually proof of work around her prayers that like they were actually doing something.

So it felt just like this is what I didn't know anybody else experienced this or not. It was just like kind of normal in my life. And I didn't really interact with that many adults outside of my direct family. Like I had a lot of younger friends. But like I didn't know if other people were doing this or not. But it just felt like, oh, this is just something that, you know, people can do. Yes. I come to understand that that's, I can't do it.

That's for sure. But, you know, I know people can. And it's always unclear, you know, how authentic it is. You know, that's actually that's really a very important part of our development. And it comes out in the law of one is that the uncertainty, because we actually can't know. And how we respond is actually all that matters, knowing that we cannot know. So, yeah, I guess we all around. the topic, I'll say that if you believe in a doctrine, let's say, let's say the Christian doctrine,

which is, you know, you first of all, do all the right things and treat your, you know, your neighbors as you would yourself and accept Jesus Christ, let's say. And believe me, I'm not at all dismissing Christianity at all. I don't want this to sound like I'm dismissing Christianity at all. But there's a certain limitation that is imposed when you do these things so that you will be rewarded. Because you're so certain that that's what's going to happen. As opposed to someone who is like, well, I don't know, but even though I don't know, I'm still going to do all of those things, right? You're sort of defining yourself as someone who, according to Ron, the law of one would say that you are declaring yourself as someone who's polarized to the service

to others pathway. Like you see that, yes, you have a choice. You can outmaneuver your fellow human beings to get more of the pie. Or you can choose to help everybody and offer what you can to make things easier for people and address their suffering at an expense to you just because that's what you want to do. And, you know, I would say that this is one of the overriding, underpinning philosophies of the law of one is that this is a choice that we're making right now in this particular realm that we're in. And I'll go into that more. But it's something to consider. And the point here is that embrace the uncertainty because that actually is a very, very big catalyst when it comes to declaring yourself in which

direction you want to go as you progress. At the same time, more backstory, as an anesthesiologist, I was then brought to the biggest question that my field has, as I was sitting there saying, well, I don't know anything anymore, but why haven't we figured out how a gas like ether works? Did we talk about this last time? I'm not sure we talked about this. We mentioned it, but I don't think we like got into the like in an entailed way. Yeah, this is this is like the biggest mystery of Western medicine is that, you know, this gas, ether was publicly demonstrated in 1946 right here in Boston and a dentist by the name of William Morton used ether to put a young man to sleep and a surgeon removed a tumor from his neck. And when he woke, he had no recollection of the event. He had no

pain and half the people in the audience started crying because these were surgeons who were hardened by the screams of their patients as they had to operate without modern anesthesia. So this is an amazing, amazing breakthrough and we still don't know how ether works. Why is that? And the question is unanswered because we have a materialistic reductionist approach to the body. We believe that everything that's happening because matter is interacting with matter. And now that we, you know, understand molecular biology, it's now we have these molecules. We have these receptors and we have these, you know, enzymes and, um, and signal molecules. But if we were to just openly look at how anesthesia and consciousness, which is really what our nature is, like, how does anesthesia affect

consciousness. Where is it? Where from what part of our body does it emerge from? Does it emerge from your little toe? No, probably not. And we have some clues that it must be coming from the brain, right? Because we have pet scans that show certain parts of the brain are active in people who are aware and interactive and they're not active in people who are not. So obviously it must come from the prefrontal cortex or the reticular activating system in the midbrain. Whatever it is, it's like, oh, that's what's happening. But as soon as you do that, now you're faced with a question, which is, well, what about the rest of my body?

That's, that's not me anymore. That's just material in blood and muscle and bone. But who I really am is coming from these particular parts of my brain. Well, I guess. But then if you look at that more closely, you are going to come down to cellular structures, which all are, you know, consuming glucose and they're providing a, um, membrane potential across a neuron which allows transmission of signals. So where is the awareness here?

Like what exactly is the awake part of the human mind or us? And so to me, obviously, we're going down the wrong path there. That it cannot be that answer. That can't be the reason why we're aware. It cannot be these things because what part of that is actually aware? And if that, if it's localized to that, then what's the rest of my body doing? It's just a support system for these neurons now.

So it leads to some difficult questions, and we're also confronted by the fact that, you know, 175 years later, we don't know how ether works or any of the other anesthetic gases we have. So from there, I went to near-death experiences in the operating room. So it's sort of in my wheelhouse. And here we have people who were dead

clinically by every measurement that we have. There's no heart rate, there's no blood pressure, there's no drive to breathe, and they are dead. And yet we can resuscitate them by, you know, giving them the right kinds of medications and shocking their heart back into a rhythm and restoring circulation. And miraculously, at some point, if we're lucky, they come back. Every once in a while, there'll be one of these patients who will say, oh, yeah, I saw the whole thing. What do you mean you saw the whole thing? Yeah, I saw what you did. You know, you asked for the paddles and you shocked me twice.

And that's when I decided I was going to come back. It clear as day. And I was watching it from above, not from inside of my body, above. This is a very difficult thing for us to swallow as empiricists and Western medicine people. How on earth could you have seen it from above? And it's very easy to dismiss these accounts because it doesn't fit into our paradigm. Right? So we just throw it away.

It's like, oh, let's just discard that, which is the wrong thing to do because it's an exception to a rule, which means your rule is incomplete, if not wrong completely. And moreover, it points to the fact that awareness and consciousness is non-local. It's not necessarily attached to your body. And, you know, the more you look into it with an open mind, you see that. that there's an entire science of remote viewing where people can send their consciousness out there and look at things from different perspectives. And combine that now, and here we're going even deeper.

This is my rabbit hole, the evidence of reincarnation. This is massive in terms of its implications. And by evidence of reincarnation, what I'm referring to here is the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson and others, who was the chief. of psychiatry at the University of Virginia. He's since passed. But he compiled 3,000 cases of documented reincarnation. How do you document reincarnation? What's interesting here is all of the subjects who claimed that they were reincarnating were children. These aren't middle-aged people saying that

they were famous, you know, they were King Arthur. These are young children from the time they start talking to their parents, tell them of a previous life. And instead of reprimanding them, these parents would record their stories and get more and more details. And Stevenson had a number of other collaborators who would find these people and these stories and then find the family from which the child claims to have, you know, come from, and then they reunite the child with this family, and the child can identify everybody there by name and also identify the impostors that were thrown in there

to try and trip the child up. And the child can say, yes, you're my son, you're my son, and who are you? And the person will say, well, I was your son too. Don't you remember? And like, no, you weren't my son. I don't even know who you are. Wow.

Sometimes they can recall in secrets that were kept between themselves and that past life and their spouse that nobody else knew. So what does this mean? Right. First of all, it means that we're not looking at everything. And this is a thread that needs to be pulled on. Because if we can understand and accept the fact that we are actually reincarnating and only a tiniest fractionating. and only a tiniest fraction of us are aware of it. The rest of us have forgotten,

and this is something that the law of one also addresses, the veil that happens when you take birth again. What does that mean for us as a species? It means something monumental, because once we come to the understanding that we reincarnate, now we look back at our history and all the terrible things that were done, they were done by us.

That was us in a different, you know, like, who was the perpetrator back then? It could have been me. I could have been the perpetrator or I could have been the victim. I don't know. The only same thing to do in this situation, knowing that we created our own history, not like those people, not humanity, but us as souls did that,

what's the only thing we can do? the only logical thing to do is forgive everybody because we don't know who is more culpable we don't know we just have we're identified with this one lifetime and everything now is about reparations and about you know making amends and all these things not i'm not saying that's wrong but i'm just saying that is a limited view of what's happening we would have to forgive ourselves like are we going to keep going around like this like tormenting each other forever like as we go around you know another 26 000 years um or are we going to say holy moly that was us. And the only thing we can do right now is forgive and help everybody.

What kinds of decisions are we going to make about our future, knowing that we're coming back? It's not going to be our children or our great, great, great grandchildren that suffers the repercussions of our decisions or, you know, eats the fruit of our good actions. It's going to be us. We are going to make much different decisions about society and how we treat people and individuals. And it's only then that we actually can make progress spiritually. Otherwise, we are simply going to be going around and around and around looking for some kind of, you know, resolution to things that cannot be resolved without forgiveness. So all of these things were sort of coming together all based upon 9-11 because I was like, holy cow, I have to consider

all of these things now. So in my mind, there is far more true. to this worldview than the worldview I had before, which is we have institutions and we live and die and that's it. And of course, we only have 75 years, now 72 in America, if you're a man, sadly, to accumulate all the pleasures and things and items that we want. And then there's no more. That is a very, very limited way of looking at our existence

because it discounts all of these other things. So in that context, this is why the law of one is so fascinating. And the reason why I spent all this time talking about these things is this is required. Otherwise, you know, if you read the law of one, you're like, oh, that's pretty interesting. Like, why should I believe that? And it's interesting, but why should you believe? Yeah, there's no reason to believe it. But in order to really openly consider that, you have to first understand what you're believing

and what you really know because you may be believing things that aren't true. So let me stop there because I've been talking. Anything you want to add there before I go on? Yeah, I think that's also where the intuition piece comes in like you were alluding to earlier. And I was just on a call with a client before we hopped on. And he was talking about how he's been integrating. Like he's been getting out for the sunrise every day. He's been grounding.

He's been like just really being mindful of his light environment and getting enough sun. nature time and how it's really brought his intuition back online. And he has this like, just very visceral sensation of like what is good for him and what is not. And he's like quitting a job that has been draining him for years. And like he's making all these changes in his life. And I had the same experience too. When I fell down the quantum biology and light biology rabbit hole last year, April 2023, I was always health conscious before that, but never mindful of like light in particular and like our relationship to sun and nature and how important that is from a health standpoint, but also from like a spiritual health standpoint as well. And like just immediately I had like all of

these like the volume basically, the knob and the volume got turned up like way, way up when I got back out into nature. And I just really could, I was always kind of a chronic people pleaser before that. Never since engaging in those practices, I feel like I have much stronger boundaries and just like a stronger level of integrity and like self-expression. And so I feel like there's a lot of different roots to get to the place where you actually have that level of connection to, like, let's say your higher self, but getting into nature is one major one that we can really all access to a certain extent. And I also think that makes sense, given the lens of like our ancestors or maybe ancient civilizations that, you know, had this immense reverence for nature

and the sun and like all of these practices around it and, and also an understanding of reincarnation as well. So I think like in ancient Egypt, for example, like they really mapped out the stars really well and took into a consideration the procession of the equinox and had belief systems around reincarnation and actually the sun god raw right and so like i'm really curious the relationship between well ancient civilizations and their access to knowledge and where we became disconnected from that because it seems like we're kind of an outlier right i mean maybe it's an important part of our evolution as souls to go through this period of amnesia where we have to rediscover things consciously and it's not just the baseline, but I think it's just really

interesting to think about. Yeah, it's, yes, it is very interesting to think about. And it's interesting that you bring up Egypt, ancient Egypt, and the disconnection with nature. And here we are in 2024 with this hubris that, you know, we are technologically advanced and, you know, we're pushing the limits of what we know. And, you know, we've got, you know, the Hadrian Collider and all of these things. But we cannot, we can't build the great pyramid of Giza. And, you know, this is something, you know,

that should stand at, like, you know, a reminder that we are looking at a structure that is at least 5,000 years old, perhaps longer, that we can't duplicate. You know, these are structures that were, you know, built with two million stones, most of them weighing more than a couple of tons, some of them weighing 70 tons,

made out of red granite, some of them, that have been cut to within a hundredth of an inch tolerance. And a lot of them were transported like hundreds of miles too, right? Well, you know, it depends on what you really believe happened there. Yeah. And notwithstanding that particular hypothesis, the point is that we can't build it. And if you look at how beautifully this thing was put together,

not only is it massive standing, you know, somewhere around 500 feet tall, but beautifully designed with portals that go into the King's Chamber that, you know, were cut at very, very precise angles so that looking out, you would see some of the key stars in our, in our sky. I mean, how do you do that? How do you, like, we can't do that.

And, you know, there's been, I think there was a Japanese company that tried to build a miniature pyramid using, you know, no equipment. And they couldn't do it, like one-fifteenth the size, I believe. And what was really interesting was they had permission from the government of Egypt to attempt this. And when they failed or were failing, the government said, no, you guys. need to leave because they were proving that it couldn't have been done by by humans or Egyptians basically now imagine and I also want to say this like the the angles of the pyramid for example

to the human eye if you are one degree off of 90 degrees you won't be able to tell like you're the human eye can't see that that's not actually 90 degrees but the angles at each of the corners are within a couple of minutes of a degree, which is far more precise. And why did they do that? You know, to get that level of precision required so much more artistry. Whoever built it was letting the future generations know that they knew exactly what they were doing. You know, this is not just a pile of stones. This is an extremely sophisticated structure that speaks to the level of their understanding of how to manipulate matter and measure things. So there are a lot of amazing things about the pyramid that you don't see the mainstream archaeologists talk about. But

you know, I would suggest listen to my gosh, what's his name? Who's the Graham Hancock? Yes. Graham Hancock. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, those are great books and he's a, you know, he's on it. Actually, speaking off of that really quickly. Yeah, go ahead. I, do you know who Marcel Vogel is or was? No. Okay, so he worked at IBM for like 30 years and he was actually responsible for developing LCD technology that became like TV screens, like flat screen TVs. But he was working on that, I think, in like the 60s and that technology didn't come out until like the 80s or 90s. But when he left IBM, he started working with crystals.

And he basically found out that if you vortex water around a specifically cut crystal, very, very, very, very. specific angles. So I have one out there. I can, I'll show you later. But anyway, I've posted about online because I'm working on a project right now, basically trying to repeat his studies and then see if we can like even take it to the next level with regards to using crystals to influence human biology in a positive way. But basically, the crystals are cut with very specific angles. It's like it's pointed at both ends. It's made of quartz. It has to be very, very clear colorless quartz. And if you get those angles right, they're called Vogel crystals. If you get those right and you can vortex water around the crystal, it makes UV light in the water. And so there's something about

the structure of the crystal at that very specific angle that is allowing photonic energy to be manifested or harnessed from somewhere in the environment. Like we don't know exactly know where the photons are coming from, but in water from this interaction with the crystal. And so, anyway, it's related to a lot of my work because I'm very interested in the importance of UV light in creating health. And I've done a lot of research on this and our bodies are making UV light. So UV biophotons are created in mitochondria and also within the nucleus in response to mitosis and like cell splitting, but also in the mitochondria in response to just basic energy metabolism and how in nature when UV light is low in the wintertime, by harnessing

cold, we're actually making more of that UV light internally because the cold is stimulating the mitochondria to make more total light infrared and UV light as well. And so I'm working on this project actually been to Cole Shanahan right now where we're looking to repeat his studies to see if we can make some sort of a wearable or something to harness the because our bodies are mostly water, right? So if we can figure out how to gain access to to UV photons, let's say, in the absence of sun or, you know, in the absence of cold, if we can give them to the system in a more streamlined way because people, you know, for whatever reason can access. And we know that UV light is also really important for like the healing process, so for people

are chronically ill, if we could figure out a way to create some sort of a technology that can help enhance UV bioavailability of that person, it could be really important from a health standpoint. But the reason I bring that up is because I was talking to Jack Cruz about this as well on one of our podcasts, and he was talking about, you know, Egypt probably had this understanding already of like the use of crystals and harnessing the power of crystals to make maybe free energy and that we actually could potentially have access to free energy. We're just looking, we're so myopically focused on like green energy and fossil fuels that were missing the whole free energy conversation, which kind of also makes sense if you're looking at it from a capitalist

perspective. Like if it's free energy, you actually can't make money off of that. If anybody could just have as much energy as they needed to go about whatever they wanted to do. So anyway, just an aside, but I thought it would be interesting in the context of this conversation to share. Totally. And I mean, we could talk about that particularly a thread for the next two hours.

Yes. You know, yes. And yeah, I believe there's free energy on the planet. I think I alluded to it our last conversation. And there is obviously a desire to suppress those kinds of technologies if they existed for obvious reasons. And, you know, one would imagine that if you had access to all the energy you wanted to for free and clean free energy, you could run all kinds of experiments with, you know, how to live. Because you could, you know, you could have a commune and you'd be able to survive without necessarily.

buying into the system because you had all the energy you wanted to. So, you know, there's a reason why if it does exist, people up there don't want it to disseminate. And crystals, absolutely. There's a lot of talk about crystals in the law of one. I think you're really going to love it. You know, it's exactly what you're saying. And very, I wouldn't say precise instructions, but the fact that crystals can be harnessed for healing is exactly a lot, not a lot, but parts of the law of one talk about that. Awesome. Yes.

And as long as we're on Egypt and how were the pyramids constructed, Ra says that they were the ones. They were here. And the pyramids themselves are massive spiritual healing contraptions that will allow a soul that is ready to transcend. And it's, you know, it's a heady possibility. But nevertheless, we don't have an explanation as to why they're there to begin with. And if you can imagine, you know, some, like the way the pyramids looked, say, 2,000 years ago, when they were covered with their limestone veneer that has been taken off and reappropriated for other structures, you would approach this thing and you would see this massive gleaming pyramid shining on the desert.

And I can't imagine that people back then would regard that and say, oh, yeah, it was a bunch of Egyptian slaves that built that. I mean, that was a monument to incredible technology. And there it sits and our mainstream archaeologists say, oh, it was a tomb or something like that. No understanding of how amazing that is. is. And while we're on that, I'll, I want to say this because that would, that was a subject that was a subject that Don Elkins asked Ra about on a number of occasions. And I'll just say this.

He asked Ra, how were they built? And Ra's answers with the power of thought. Once you can access the essence nature of the stone, you can ask it to reconfigure. in the way that you want. Right? Who's to say that he's wrong? No, no, we can't build it. And notice that if there were technologies that were present on the planet

that could do things like build the Giza pyramid, where are they? Where are the tools? Where are the diagrams? Where, like nothing? There's absolutely nothing. It's almost like whoever built it, built it, showed up, they built it,

and then they split, right? where do they go, right? So, I mean, there's very interesting questions about the pyramid. And here's what's even more fascinating. I like these kinds of interesting questions. Don said, well, why are they built out of so many different blocks? Why don't you just make it out of one chunk of granite if you could do what you're saying? And you know what Ron's answer was?

He says, they say, if we did that, there would be no mystery. Wow. Right? Because it would be like, of course, it's something beyond us built this. How could we have one piece of granite that is shaped perfectly like that? But because it's built out of separate stones, we are now forced to ponder. I wonder where I came from. And this is a part of what the whole law of one is, is that you have to be curious.

You have to, you know, come at it with like, I want to know and I want to be open. You can't sit around and be half-minded about your pursuit. So they're always trying to instill curiosity. and okay, I think that was enough preamble. Where are we right now, Alexis, with time. Oh, we're out of time. Sorry, guys, no more. Spoilers.

Cliphanger. I'll be back next week, same time. Yes, so go ahead. Where are we here? Oh, well, yeah. I mean, I was just thinking how important curiosity is in general and how we've been completely drained of our curiosity as like modern humans. I mean, obviously not all of us,

But for the most part, Western humans are just told to defer everything to some expert or authority figure. And like, you just listen to what they say. And that's that. You don't question it. You don't get curious about if there's other possibilities. It's just like, you know, just complete disempowerment, let's say. And I also think that's interesting from the human design perspective, too. We're just coming.

I think I might have mentioned this last episode too. But we're coming to the end of this epoch that 415 years, we've been in this collective epoch, which is all about creating institutions and deferring to authority figures and the collective, like being a collective unit and being like sacrificial to the individual in that way. But we're moving into this next epoch in 2027 that is an individual era,

which is all, it's the keynote of empowerment. So it's all about empowerment of the individual to be the creator of one's own life and one's own dream and not catering to the collective in that way. So I mean, I feel like we already can see that shift happening where people are, like you mentioned in the beginning, waking up to the major corruption and how nothing in the institutions can be trusted blindly.

And it never should have to begin with. It was kind of an illusion to begin with. And it got us to where we are now, but now it's time we're like graduating into this next era where we can now, in this age of information, begin to formulate our own worldviews and not just regurgitate what we're hearing elsewhere. And that is ultimately empowerment

and also decentralization, which is what Jack Cruz talks, all about. I really think the power of the individual is inherently decentralized because then also you can come up with interesting ideas and technologies and based off of proof of work, if it actually works and does what it's supposed to do and improves quality of life, it's going to succeed, which we've kind of just gotten completely rid of proof of work in our current society because it's like we're just told what to do, even if it's not working. I think our approach to cancer therapies is awful, like with the chemotherapies and the radiation

and we're literally poisoning bodies in order to kill cancer, not understanding that, like, one, we're creating the probability of more cancers later, and we're just completely missing the point of why the tumor was there to begin with. And I think in the age of empowerment and proof of work and decentralization, we'll finally come to some solutions where it's like, oh, we actually really understand where we were going wrong and why this was happening to begin with,

and then we can just avoid the issue altogether for the most part. Yeah, boy, that's, uh, that's a key concept. I really think that you're hitting on something very important with regards to decentralization because coming up with the answers ourselves and not trusting institutions is you're eliminating the arbiter of truth, which is the institutions, and they're showing us right now that they can't be trusted. And so we come to an understanding individually and we can help each other, but you have no one coming at you saying you have to believe this. You've got to figure it out yourself, which is very,

very similar to blockchain technology, right? We're eliminating the arbiter of the transaction, and we're letting the collective validate a transaction. And that is actually the answer. The best answer that we have on the planet right now, so we have to consider this very, very closely. But it's the decentralization that's extremely important. And it's part of the new epoch, as you would call it, or if astrology at the age of Aquarius. So this is what I'd like to say. So I'm going to read you a little section from the very first channeling of Ra in the law of one,

where Ra described what is the law of one, in their own words. Excuse me. I am raw. By the way, every single thing that comes from Ra, They begin with I am raw. The reason why they do that is because it's a telepathic communication, and there are many voices out there. So they have to identify, look, it's us talking to you.

I am raw. Consider, if you will, I'm reading from book one of the law of one. Go get a copy. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven. but we can assure you that there is no end to yourselves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for manyness is a finite concept. To have infinity, you must identify or define the infinity as unity. otherwise the term does not have any referent or meaning. I'm just going to stop there for a second. I mean, that right there is an enormous, enormous concept that could be unpacked over another couple of hours. But as I'm reading this, you know, ask yourself,

is this really coming out of Carla Rookart and Don Elkins, the pilot? Or is this, you know, an intelligence that is outside of them? in an infinite creator there is only unity you have seen simple examples of unity you have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight that's something for you Alexis sunlight this is a simplistic example of unity in truth there is no right or wrong there is no polarity for all will be as you would say reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind-body-spirit complex, which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. Okay, this is really heavy.

I don't know if we're following this, but, you know, mind-body-spirit complex is what Ra would call people, because that's what we are. You know, we have a spirit, a body, and a mind, and it's united. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. So in other words, like Ra is saying, look, you're just playing right now. Like you don't want to accept these massive concepts because you're having fun amusing yourself, basically. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things.

you are everything, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love light, light love, you are. This is the law of one. And then Ra asks, may we enunciate in more detail? So, you know, look, I'm not trying to tell you that this is right or wrong. I'm just saying, look at what they're saying.

I mean, give me a break, honestly. Like, you know, this is not some doctrine. And they say, like, basically, that's what the law of one is, is that there's only one law. The law is that the universe is unity. It is conscious aware. And it is, in fact, amusing itself by expressing itself in various ways. One such way is by what you. would call you. So it is experiencing itself through the eyes of Dr. Alexis Cohn or Mada Vesdi

with my own biases in understanding. And it is experiencing itself. And it is, if you would, enjoying it because in our state, let's say, as individuals, it has hidden itself, its own reality for the purpose of pure joy and amusement, of discovering itself, right? Now, as weird or crazy as it sounds, this is not so alien to humankind. This is, you know, a concept called non-duality, where there is no you or others.

It is only one. And like for me, this was completely mind-blowing. Like, imagine if we, reoriented our understanding of everything and and stop thinking about the galaxies and the planets and the trees and us and we're observing it. But imagine that the universe itself is one, like everything is one and it is aware. And it's just having fun. And we as individuals, and this is going into more of the philosophy of the long one, we are on a path of self-discovery. and every single moment in our life is what Ra would call a catalyst,

whether that be a pain, an emotion, an experience to help us in the most perfect way possible to understand ourselves better. That's essentially what the law of one is. Now, I don't even know where to go from there because this is something that you have to really study deeply. And a shout out to Aaron Apke. I think he is one of the greatest teachers of the law of one right now. And he's a young man who has a great understanding of not only the law of one, but course and miracles as well as, you know, Advaita, which is the, a non-dual aspect of Hinduism,

which I was exposed to when I was a kid. So he's a voice in this matter that I would listen to very closely. He does a great job explaining these things. So that is essentially, and that is the law. everything else raw calls a distortion like all other things are true but they are situated on top of this one law and their very first distortion is the law of free will which is we all have our nature is free that is our true nature Now, here is what's really interesting. Did I read this part?

Did you catch this? In truth, there is no right or wrong. I don't know if you made me think of the Bible, that part of the Bible, where it's like, I, God, create the good and the evil. I create all these things. Well, here's what's really interesting is the idea that there's no right or wrong is usually is very offputting to most people because we all want to say, well, of course there's wrong.

There's so much evil on the planet. But the law of one says, look, how can they be right or wrong or how can to be a victim or a perpetrator truly if everything is one? How could there be that? Because who, like if everyone ultimately is one, then there is no ultimate victim and perpetrator. Of course, people are victimized. Don't get me wrong. But ultimately, it's the one creator that's expressing itself in this way. So that is a very difficult concept for people to accept because we're so used to thinking that we must fight evil.

But according to Raw, all views are accepted because it's free. You're free to choose what you want to do. That doesn't mean there won't be any repercussions if you, you know, impinge on someone else's freedom, whether that by killing them or imprisoning them or forcing them into your way of thinking. And what Ra is saying here in the law of one, this is a foundational principle, is in order to really get your head around this concept, you have to consider the evolution of consciousness, not just on the planet, but in the universe. And everything is expressing consciousness at some level of granularity. and what I would say here is a rock is conscious but very very unconscious compared to human beings yeah like Steiner's definition of consciousness too he's like anything that has an inside and

an outside has consciousness which means an atom also has consciousness yeah precisely that you know everything is part of the same conscious thing which we which rock calls a universal creator um or the one infinite creator which is kind of a you know as soon as you say the creator, now you've created duality, right? You've created the creator and us, but that's only for the purposes of explanation. That's why they use that term. So there is a continuum of, I called it granularity, but what Raw calls it is density. In other words, consciousness, as it grows in density becomes more and more aware. And it can exist in forms up to a certain point. And so there are seven densities just like the seven spectra of visible light and the seven chakras of our energy

system. It's all based on the same sort of pattern. Although it's continuous, there are discrete jumps that you make. And Ra says that we are as human beings. We're not, we're clearly at the top of the food shame on this planet. And, you know, everything is in our dominion, as they say. But we're only at the third density. There are four densities beyond us, which we cannot see and perceive with our gross means of measurement. There are two other densities that exist on this planet, and the first density is earth, water, fire, air. And at that level of consciousness, when consciousness takes those forms, it is very, very unconscious compared to us. Like there's no thought forms, there's no understanding. It is involved in just being, like existing. That is where

consciousness is and it exists in those forms for billions of years. Every other life form on the planet except us, according to the law of one, is what we call the second density. The second density is essentially the, it has the ability to grow. and move towards the light or food. That's what constitutes the second density. It doesn't matter if it's a protozoa or an elephant. Something happens in the human form. This is the third density where we are,

which is we acquire the understanding of self versus not self. Like you create this construct of me, which is, and I'm not saying that, I would say that like pets and animals who are very intelligent are getting there. That's what I was going to say. I was going to say, like, I feel like the domestication process is like drawing up the density towards third. Yes.

Oh, my God. That is such a brilliant insight. That's exactly just like we are influencing the second density creatures to come, you know, in this move. It's always moving upward. We're always growing. We are bringing them over. Like when you love your pet, it's going to start creating a.

self of self. It's like, oh my God, this human that feeds me, loves me, and I love it back. And we are setting it up for an incarnation in the third density. This is what the higher densities like Ra are doing for us. They're trying to bring us along. It's like, look, I'm going to give you some understanding here to help you figure this out. It almost seems like in order to make that leap, that there's some basic need that needs to be met, because then you have consciousness freed up to do other things. Like, if you don't have to worry about where your food's coming from and where your shelters coming from, then you have this potential to like evolve, let's say. Yep. Correct. Yes. And so the evolution is in how you wish to polarize in the third density

because you can regard, like as soon as you acquire the idea of self, how do you regard everything else? Do you regard it as separate from you and whose, you know, feelings and emotions and pain really are not your consideration because you're you and they're them. Or do you regard them as, oh my God, they're just like me and we need to help each other. Both are reasonable choices to make. There is no punishment for choosing, I'm going to screw everybody over. And, you know, it's hard for us to accept. But in the grand scheme, this is a choice that we must make. And here's a very interesting point that comes out in the law of one. Ra is saying that when you die, unless you have committed to a path, whether that be service to others or service to self,

if you have not committed with a certain level of intensity, you're just going to come back again until you commit to something. And it doesn't matter which one it is, but there is a distinction. If you choose the negative or the service to self path, you have to be a pretty big jerk because Raw says 95% of your actions have to be oriented towards yourself only, not others, which is a very, very high standard to meet because you have to pretty much be an asshole most of the time and really screw people over and control them. And there are, as Raw says in these discussions with Don Elkins,

you know, characters in our past that have graduated in the negative path like Rasputin and Genghis Khan. and raw talks about what happened to their soul. Where are they now? However, if you want to choose the service to others pathway or the positive path, one we would consider the path of, you know, positivity and light, all you need is 51% of your actions to be oriented towards others. That's all. But most of us, you know, we go through life and, you know, we get the Salvation Army and then we screw over our friends at work because we don't want to, you know, pay for their stuff. So I, you know, I'm making generalizations, but we're just going, we're just vacillating all the time. We have not committed to one path or the other, which is a very, very interesting.

I've never heard anyone say it like that, but that's what they're saying. So the negative path is very hard to meet and to graduate. And what happens next? Let's see you graduate into the fourth density. What is the fourth density like? This is what's so fascinating, which is, in this environment right now, Ross says that the third density human experience, let's say, has a tremendous amount of catalyst. And that's a nice way of saying a lot of pain and a lot of, like, joy and a lot of like immense stimulation. And it's very, very hard to endure. But it is that which drives us to make a choice. And if you haven't made a choice yet, you're going to come back

and like deal with it again, basically, until you say, oh my God, this is what I need to do, obviously. So where do you go? What happens is in our environment right now, and this is, I would say, a point of hope for all of us who are trying to wake up the world, let's say, is that this is just a training round. Like we're here to develop ourselves to make a choice, as opposed to we need to save the planet. We need to save humanity. Yes, we should do those things. I'm not saying we should, you know, destroy the environment, but I'm just saying like, step away from the entire picture as this, you know, existential threat that we're under. We're going to survive.

The earth is also aware and conscious. It's evolving. And we are going to evolve. But we're here to figure out how to do this correctly. And what's interesting here is that without the assholes out there, can I say that on your podcast? You know, the service to self, you know, jerks, they're providing us with a tremendous amount of catalyst. without them, you know, we'd be just sort of going, well, you know, everything is pretty good and

everyone is treating each other easily, okay. But when you have those kinds of forces out there that we're starting to define right now, especially on your podcast and the work that I'm doing is exposing, you know, everything that's going on the planet, these are the negative forces that are on the planet that we are working out our own chops with. Like how do we confront these powers without giving into them? and without feeling the need to destroy them either. And this is where, you know, movements like, you know, health freedom, for example,

or the 9-11 truth movement, we're kind of losing it because we're so angry at the other side. And I understand why we're angry. But how are we going to, you know, it's jujitsu. How do we protect our own sovereignty without necessarily being angry and bringing up negative low energy vibrations in our mind? This is going to be necessary for us as individuals, is why the law one is very, very interesting to sort of help you along with our struggle. So the question is, where do you go? Let us say that you are of fourth, you were about to

graduate into a negatively, in the negative path. Like where does, where did Genghis Khan go? Well, Ross says that Genghis Khan is now in a fourth density negative social memory complex. What does mean by that? A social memory complex is one where all the members of the society are oriented on the same path. There are civilizations out there that are oriented in a, uh, towards a path of conquest, of controlling others. That's what their objective is. And they've perfected that to a very, very, very high degree. It's a hierarchical society with, you know, control being, you know, exchanged and sacrificed. It's a competitive, highly competitive environment and they come together with a collective understanding, like, that's what we need to do to progress. What about the ones that,

you know, graduate into a fourth density positive? Now you are in a society that is positively oriented. Everyone is into helping each other. It's all about love. And your main, you know, reason d'etre is to help each other. And you're looking for ways to serve at a very, very, very deep level, like, totally committed to that. And I'll say this about this. Like, Don Elkins asks, Ra, like, what is the food like in fourth density positive? like, what are you eating?

Like, you know, because I enjoy my food. And I'm not sure exactly what Roz says, but Ross says like, yeah, but, you know, the fourth density positive people, they look at that as uninteresting. Why? It's because they see that as a distraction from helping other people. It's something that they have to do to nourish their physical body. And it's like, okay, let's get back to helping people. So that is the level of commitment to service to others that exists in a fourth density positive

social memory complexes. Like all of this I understand is new to some people, but, you know, I'm asking people to just see, like, does it resonate with you? Does this make more sense than what we're being told? I'm going to add one more thing. I'm going to let you say whatever you want to. Here's another fascinating aspect to the log one, which is, Ra says that if you were listening to any philosophy, whether it be from your pastor or your mother or wherever, the book that you're reading, If there is some reward for buying in and punishment for not buying in to the doctrine or to the philosophy, it is a doctrine. It is distorted in ways that you may not see, and it probably has negative influence. Ross says Don Elkins asked about Moses and Mount Sinaiite and here's what's really interesting

is that according to Ron again I'm just telling what the law of once said you don't have to believe me or raw for that matter Ra says that Moses went up there and he was in communication with another advanced positively oriented social memory complex

called Yahweh And but Moses thought of it as God. That's like, I'm talking to God. And Yahweh was like, no, no, no, no. We're just, we're just here to help you, you know. And then he went back and the communication was overtaken by a negative oriented social memory complex who said that they were Yahweh. And Don says, well, how do you know? Like, like, what happened?

And Ross said, bull, that's where the Ten Commandments were delivered. Whenever you have a doctrine that says, thou shalt not or thou shalt, or you must or not, that is negative influence because the essence of who you are is free. You have the choice. Anyone that says that you must do these things in order to succeed, that's not necessarily given from a place of light love. And that is something really that you need to consider very deeply. And, you know, that's one of the most interesting aspects of the law of one that I think about all the time. So when we when we sort of communicate with other people, you know, and we're seeing this all the time. Like when we talk about, you know, how our authorities talked about COVID, let's say, you have to do these things.

And if you don't, you know, we're going to, we're going to punish you. You know, it's not just you're going to get COVID and die. It's like, well, now you can't, you can't go to school, you can't travel, you get deplatformed, you lose your affiliation, all of these things. Why, as you're examining what they're saying, if you look at it from this perspective, it's like, oh, this is a negative influence here. You know, never mind the fact that you're asking us to trust corporations that have paid billions of dollars in criminal fines.

It's you are forcing me into this. and why would I believe you, as opposed to another scientist that says, no, actually, look, you should be able to make up your own mind. And here's my take on COVID, let's say. Or here's my take on the vaccine. Whatever, whatever it is, if you're not an expert, which expert are you going to choose? So that's another kind of, you know, guideline to use as you're examining stuff that's perhaps way over your head. Yeah, I mean, I think we touched on this last time, too, that there's going to be experts on both sides of basically any issue. and that's where the discernment piece comes in.

And I mean, I think, again, when you get in touch with that intuition, it becomes more clear about which information is in resonance with you and what makes the most sense for you versus, like, trying to intellectualize everything doesn't tend to work out super well. I was also thinking when you were speaking about, like, Jordan Peterson's catchphrase, like, clean your room, like, you have to focus on yourself first. You can't focus on, like, fixing the world. You got to take care of you, and then you can worry about your family,

then you can worry about your community, then your state and then your country. and like it goes in order that way. You can't skip steps. Otherwise, you kind of will become a talking head essentially because you're not actually doing the things you're espousing that should be done. I was also thinking, I think his name is Rudy v. Spore. He was on Paul's podcast.

He's a homeopathy guy, but like he does a bunch of interesting stuff. But I remember on a podcast of his, he was talking about the distinction between free will and freedom of choice, which I thought was very interesting. Because I think we all kind of have the experience that we don't really get control over what interests us, like what grabs us and like pulls us towards it, but we do have the freedom to act on it or not. And the context or the concept of like when you follow those things that

really like ignite your interests, things tend to like, doors open up for you in a certain way. It's kind of like a golden thread. And so that's also kind of a maybe just some context for like doing like good versus bad or whatever, like not that you're going to necessarily be punished by an authority figure for doing the bad things, but you might suffer more. And this is also what Jordan talks about too. It's like, okay, don't, you know, don't believe in anything really and just go through being self-serving. Like, you're going to encounter more suffering in life, less fulfillment, less meaning. And if you choose to serve other people and be in alignment with your higher self and act through that, then you tend to be rewarded just by, you know, life opening doors and things like this.

So I think there's like an interesting, uh, level of saturday. satisfaction and meaning that comes out of following the positive versus the negative path and like some reinforcement that comes out as a result of that. It's almost like the universe is trying to push us in some way in one direction over the other, though I guess that kind of is in a little bit of conflict with what they said in the law of one about it. They're being like, you're free to choose either way, which I think is certainly the case. People have chosen the negative path, but it seems like it's much more challenging like you alluded to. It is much challenging. And look, I agree with you. I think the universe is going to give you the opportunities that you want for your own for your own development. And some people are just vibrating in the negative pathway. You know, it's, it's to them, it would be folly to like, why would you care about other people? Like, take care of yourself. Because in the end, it's love. It's, you know, it's, do you direct it only towards yourself or do you direct it towards other people? Either way, we're talking about the universe, which is unity. So there is no bad or wrong. It's a dance that we're having with with each other.

And, you know, these negatively oriented people that we tend to hate and deride are serving a very grand purpose, but you have to see the entire picture to appreciate what's happening. Totally. I mean, we would all be so complacent if there was no tumult and negative polarity that was pulling us to be awake and like to actually take action, we would just be just strictly enjoying. We wouldn't be evolving, so to speak. Well, this is a very interesting point that you're making, which is Ra is telling Don about civilizations like ours that existed billions of years ago in our own galaxy. And the galaxy itself is sort of the grand – it's – Rock calls it the logos. You know, it's the pattern. And all of the star systems use that basic pattern and they create their own patterns of, you know, life and the archetypical minds that exist in those solar systems. And what Ra is saying is that very early systems that were supporting third density life forms like us, when people were born, they remembered all of their past lives. And what happened was it took them forever to progress because everybody was just sort of sitting

around going, yeah, well, you know, we're coming back again. There's no big deal. And, yeah, let's just hang out. There was no drive to move forward and, um, uh, and learn more and, you know, sharpen your skills about how to love properly because there was no, because they all knew that they were coming back and they, they remembered all their lessons. And so the logos itself decided to try an experiment, which is the veil, which is when you take birth, you forget everything. You forget all the experiences you've had and you've got to start again. And they found that this accelerates the progression towards choosing.

The third density is called the choice. And to put that in reference, as I said, the first density is billions of years. The second density, your soul, your essence stays in that density for hundreds of millions of years, depending. the fourth and fifth and six densities are all like millions and millions of years long. The earth's, I mean, I'm sorry, the third density is 75,000 years. That's like a blink of an eye. And what's interesting to tie this all together is 75,000 years, more or less, is exactly three great years, three processions of the equinox.

And they're all tied together. And so Ra is suggesting this is like clockwork. This is and what's even more interesting is saying that we have come to the end of the third cycle. And what happens now to us when we die is there are going to be very, very few of us that are going to reincarnate on Earth again. Because the Earth is transitioning into a fourth density planet that will no longer sustain third density beings. And so one of three things will happen. Either you will make the grade and move on to a fourth density positively oriented society on some other planet, a fourth density negative on some other planet, or you'll repeat their density on another planet, you know, on a planet that's, you know, you can just have to repeat the experience. So what a context, right?

I mean, like, who else talks about it in those ways? And obviously, we don't know. We don't know for sure. And that's the beauty of this. It's like, how are you going to proceed? But, you know, this is why it's so important right now. I have something to add there. So in human design, that channeled work, he says that the earth, well, humans will only be born on the earth for another 3,100 years before the end.

I don't know if that lines up. We could probably do the math. But he also says that starting. in the year 2027, there's going to be a new type of human that's starting to be born that can form what he calls a penta, which is basically a non-verbal communication mechanism between minds directly. And that they have, basically right now, we've been going through this mutation in our solar plexus according to human design. And that mutation is going to wrap up in 2027, and that's going to give us access to this new awareness center. So right now,

the solar plexus is a motor center, which is going to become an awareness center in the these new children that are going to be born. Not all kids born after 2027 are going to be that, but they're called the raves. And some fraction of the kids will be the raves. And when three or more of them are in a room together, they just like become this meta entity that's like completely different than anything that we could conceptualize,

which also kind of sounds a little bit similar. Like it's maybe like they're graduating into the fourth density, almost here on this plane, because it sounds similar to like Raws consciousness of like this collective being. But anyway, I thought that was a very interesting. interesting parallel. And there was one other thing I was going to say. What the heck was it? It was about, well, maybe it'll come back to me. Do you have any thoughts on that?

I think it's actually not contradictory to what the law of one is saying. Like, you know, whether you call them star seeds or whatever, those that have powers that are fourth density like powers where there is telepathic communication, it's going to be happening. And 3,100 years is not outside the realm of what rise, not being very clear as to how long it's going to take before everybody here is gone and we're, it's probably hundreds of thousands of years because, you know, this, that's also a blink of an eye.

But maybe it has to do with the choice because that's, you know, this blink of an eye is where we make the choice. You've got to decide how you want to proceed. Love of yourself over everybody else or equally love of all and commit to that. That's the philosophy. And I think it is very empowering, for me at least, and liberating for a number of reasons, including the fact that I don't have to save everybody or the world. Things are moving exactly the way they're supposed to.

And, you know, work on yourself and realize that the ones that you're working against, they're helping you. Otherwise, life would be very, very boring. So all of these things I think are important to hold in consideration as we move through our life experience. That is after all, you know, what philosophy and religion, that's what you want to call this is. It's like, you know, can you superimpose a meaning to all of this? One that makes sense with your heart, with your intuition. And yeah.

Did they talk about aliens at all? So are those supposed to be higher density consciousness that are like manifesting in embodied form? or are they like also third density from somewhere else? Did they talk about that? Yes. The vast majority of extraterrestrials that have made it to this planet are a fourth density and above. And I believe Ron in the Law of One mentions maybe one civilization

that's third density that has been able to do interstellar travel. But, you know, look, here's something very interesting, right, which is there's a great amount of distance between star systems. Yeah. And in order to actually make that trip, you have to access technology that's almost inconceivable to us, right? And whatever that technology is must use a tremendous amount of power. And where does that energy come from?

It can't come from the sun. It must be some sort of, you know, they've tapped into the ether or, you know, the zero point, whatever you want to call it. And here's what's so elegant about that, which is in order to make that kind of jump into interstellar travel, this is not in the law of one, this is my own sort of ideation, how can a society that is in internal conflict with that kind of technology move to that sort of jump? you would have to be like imagine you know a country that has these kinds of vehicles that can go from here to Vega in a second would they be really fighting some of their own kind across the border no it would require a unification of planetary consciousness to do that and so in that way the beauty here is because it's so far away you must have societies that have learned how to cooperate at some level.

As opposed to what we have right now, because obviously, you know, if there was life on Mars, some country would go over there and basically, you know, maraud and destroy them. So there is a beauty in the scale of the universe, is what I'm trying to say. There's, you know, a beauty in the fact that these star systems are so far apart. Yeah, it seems like a lot of our tech development over the past few. centuries has really been rooted in like trying to to war over others like be warlords essentially and like warmongers versus developing tech for like higher purposes. And I think it's, I also have some level of like inner conflict over this too because at some level, yes, that makes sense.

We would need to cooperate at the global scale in order to actually make this happen. But then at the same time, I don't think the W.EF is the way to do it. No, no, that's not the way to do it. I I mean, obviously they have an agenda there. And, you know, this is a very important point because, you know, as a species, we are sort of evolving. We're becoming smarter as much as we don't like to think that. Oh, I remember what I was going to say, and that ties into with that. I was going to bring up the morphogenic field. Oh, the morphogenic field.

And how it seems like when, even though you get veiled when you're born as a baby, that there's some level of memory that's like subconscious that we can access, then we can learn things more rapidly, basically. Totally. I mean, you know, otherwise we'd be starting from scratch every time, right? But our soul is actually on a path. And we're getting in our way by all of these, you know, precondition ideas that we have been accumulating,

that have been given to us by people, you know, we're wrong, honestly. So, sorry, you were saying something about being born. Yeah, you were saying something with being born, I think. Well, look, as much as we, it's hard to know if we're actually evolving as individuals, honestly. But as a society, we're clearly evolving. Like, you know, just the fact that we have the internet,

and we can share ideas broadly. This is sort of a step towards a, you know, a fourth density kind of society where ideas are shared very quickly amongst many groups of people. And so I would suggest that the fourth, the people who are negatively oriented, say, two, three, four, five hundred years ago, a thousand years ago, they would commandeer other people's freedom, which is what the currency is. That's what they're trying to accumulate is control over others. That's going to propel them in their path.

They would do it by enslaving other people. Right? But that's not where we are right now. Like we've developed, you know, obviously slavery still exists on the planet. We obviously know that. But we now have governments and we have some kind of surveillance of like what's happening. It's far from perfect. But how then do the negatively oriented folks on the planet

control others. It's not simply throwing them in a cage. They have to outwit us. They have to make us want to go into the cage. They have to provide the experiences to catalyze us to go that way and give up our freedom. So it's become a more sophisticated struggle. And it's part of, you know, it's a part of their own evolution too. They just can't simply acquire power and do it. they have to be crafty about it. So this is exactly how we're evolving. We're evolving by we're, I'm assuming your service to others, Alexis. We're on the same team. But, you know, those folks out there, they have to be more cunning. And that's part of their evolution. And we too have to be more discerning. That's part of our evolution. It's amazing actually that the service to self people can

coordinate on anything. Well, you know, you would think that, but that's how, like if you think about, you know, like the military industrial complex, that's all siloed people that are in an incredible hierarchy. You know, you just do what you're told and you're part of the system that basically, you know, takes over other countries and overthrows things and controls people. And that is a four density negative structure. and they're working together extremely efficiently compared to us. Here we are, you know, scratching their heads going, what are we going to do?

Who should we listen to? Well, that's where the siloing really comes in, too. It's like because that siloing prevents any one individual in the structure to actually know what they're up to, really. It's kind of a lot of it's happening in such a niche way versus on the service to other side. I think we're all kind of coming at it from a similar perspective, but there's a lack of coordination. because we have to figure out a different way to coordinate, basically. I think that's the problem. Because you don't really want to silo things necessarily

because then you can't see the hole as well. So we need to figure out a way to have wholism in the way that that organization is structured or that coalition is structured, I guess, which is a little challenging. That's a very great insight. And it's really the challenge that we're up against right now is like how do we come together without hierarchies and control?

And that is the challenge. which is why, you know, a philosophy like the law of one is so interesting and potentially helpful, you know, to see the whole picture first. And we have to, we have to figure it out ourselves. Like how do we come together and resist the forces of negativity? Meanwhile, protecting each other's sovereignty. Like if you did an example, like what would be the, what would be the ideal sort of society, right? I would say that you could define it in a couple of basic principles. which is you are free to do anything you want to, as long as you don't impinge upon someone else's freedom. How would that look? It would be a very, very interesting society, right? Because if that is the rule and you are going to adhere to it,

then you have to be very careful about what you choose to do because you want your freedom. And at the same time, your freedom is not necessarily encroached upon by respecting the freedom of other people. So what would you do? Like, you know, if you wanted to, you know, smoke in front of somebody and they say, well, I don't want to smoke. I don't want to breathe in smoky air.

Well, then you'll have to go take it someplace else. Right. So it's a respect for your own right to do what you want to, whatever that is. And you're also respecting other people's desires for what they want. So we would work it out in that way. And I would say that would be a step towards a positive social and a complex, right here and the third density. You know, these are the kinds of things, you know, you could consider it voluntarianism,

which is another concept, right, which is kind of like that, you know, the rules but no rulers. So that's what I was just thinking actually as it relates to like paying taxes. Like most people right now don't want to pay their taxes because their tax money is going to evil things and things they don't agree with. If your tax money was actually going into things like improving your neighborhoods and your schools and your roads and your food supply, like, people would be happy to pay the taxes for the most part because they're getting the benefits back

directly. So now it's like so disconnected that, I mean, if you don't pay your taxes, you can, you know, face terrible fines, jail time, whatever it is. So there is still that level of like control. But it doesn't necessarily have to be the case if there were some level of efficiency within the system. That's correct. Well, you know, look, the tax, the taxation system is part of the monetary control. right and you know I think we're going to probably shut this thing down soon because I think I could talk for another eight hours forever yeah um but understanding what you just said there for example it's like look we we want to pay taxes because we're good citizens but it's being used for the wrong stuff well then you have to start looking at you know how this taxation system was set up and you know why did the uh an income tax arise precisely

when the Federal Reserve was brought into existence, right? This is not by coincidence. The taxation system was needed in order to pay back vast amounts of money that could be created out of nowhere from the Federal Reserve. So these are the kinds of concepts that are in my book. And what I wanted to say here is that I wrote that book primarily to open people's minds up to the law of one without talking about the law of one because you have to understand all of these how everything is connected to understand you know why the law of one may be the way through

and i i sent my manuscript to only two people one is my editor um who interestingly was an old friend of mine who was you know in journalism and that the book put us at extreme odds let's say because he didn't see it my way at all. But I also sent it to Jim McCarty, who is the third person in the in the raw contact. He's the only surviving member of the trio. And he graciously read the manuscript and wrote a short four word to the book. So anyway, I just wanted to plug that because it's very difficult to go right to the law of one unless you understand things like what you just brought up, you know, taxation. You have to understand 9-11. You have to understand like, you know, all of these things that are not just occurring randomly. We're not basing catastrophe after catastrophe because

the world and the universe is so dangerous. We're creating these things. We're doing that on purpose. We, I'm saying they, you know? Yep. Yep. And the money system. Learning about the history of like fiat currency is a huge rabbit hole that people could go down to kind of open their eyes as well. 9-11 is a great one too. There's lots of different like entry points that you can, you know, kind of get your mind blown a little bit so that you can re-piece it together in a way that's actually coherent. Exactly. I mean, you know, these are the, this is the unlearning process that happened to me after 9-11. Like I didn't even, it didn't even like, you know, here I was, I was, I was, like 51 years old, looking at 9-11 and then suddenly rethinking everything. At that time,

having, you know, bought and purchased several pieces of properties in my life and paid back my student loans and all these things, I was under the impression that when I got a loan from the bank, were just taking money from somebody else and giving it to me. I mean, that's what I thought. It's like, you know, basic, basic concepts. How, how unbelievably ignorant I was. And those are the kinds of things you have to look at first before you can, you know, potentially even plunge into something like the law of one. And by the way, I, because that is our topic, it is not easy reading because raw uses our language in ways that humans don't. Like, they are always looking for the best possible word to dispense with any kind of distortion,

but it makes for a read that's like, oh, my gosh, what is Ross saying here? You know? So I would advise you, again, another shout out to Aaron Apke. He does a great job breaking things down in giving you a taste of what the law of one is about. And let's be very real here. I don't know if the law of one is authentic or not. you have to decide for yourself if it's real. But if it is, why not trust something,

why not trust a voice coming from space rather than CNN? Yeah. You know, if you're going to like look at something, you know, listen to them. Why, you know, am I going to listen to Rachel Maddow about, you know, the COVID stuff? I mean, give me a break. So, yeah, it's food for thought. And look, I also want to say, don't be so skeptical about everything. Like, you have to avail yourself of what's there before.

rejecting it because then you're going to get caught up into another other situation where you're missing things because you just throw it away side on scene. There's a big difference between like skepticism and being close minded and dogmatic for sure. Like you can have a healthy skepticism but still remain open to information that is maybe coming out of left field. And that also comes back to the whole neuroplasticity issue and nervous system regulation and the light environment and all the things because if you're biochemically screwed up because you're never outside, you're only under artificial light on screens all day, and you're, you know, eating garbage food and not getting fresh air and biodiversity, then you're going to be stuck in this more basic, like just a higher grade sympathetic state all the time because your body's in this low-grade survival mode at all times that shuts off your ability to make new neural connections and learn and to, I mean, evolve at some sort of fundamental level. So starting at the level of your health and biology can also be a great beginning point to then open yourself up to different types.

of information that are like a little bit more esoteric, let's say. Mm-hmm. Well, you know, you're right. Ra, for example, says one of the tools you need to use is your focus of attention on your body, like truly, truly meditate on very simple things to quiet your mind because that's the only way through. And interestingly, you know, another reason why it resonated with me so much is that at the time I was doing a lot of Vipushina meditation.

And Bipashna is a Theravatic practice that was taught, at least in this country, by a guy named Satya Naranguwenka, who is in the direct lineage from the Buddha. And that's all about really paying attention to what's coming up in your body. Like for hours and hours and hours, going after the most subtle sensation. and it trains your mind to be very sensitive as to what's around you. So like that was happening for me around the time that I went into the law of one. And I was also in communication with and collaboration with a teacher of tantra, which is a philosophical system that emerged from the Indus Valley 15th centuries ago. And tantra is just like the law of one, except, you know, it's,

more detailed, but the fundamental concepts are the same. And I was like, oh, my God, this is probably, Tantara probably came from the law of one, or it was some other, you know, entity that was transmitting it. And I was working with this guy named Christopher Wallace, who I recommend his books. And he wrote Tantra illuminated and recognition sutras. And I became a board member of his institute, the Tantrika Institute. And I was like, oh my God, where did Tantra come from? And Christopher was like, well, look, you know, I don't want to necessarily go there. But, you know, some people say it was divinely transmitted. And I was like, okay, that's all I need to know.

And I started working with him. And I was like, oh, my God, this guy probably gets it. He probably understands what's happening on the world. And he didn't. He is totally bought in to the mainstream narrative. It's unbelievable, Alexis. I was like, oh, my God. I've been writing about this on my substack because.

He recently popped up in my, in my, you know, sphere again as he was talking about, you know, who to vote for. Oh, no. Right. And, but at the time when we were trying to launch this, this thing in 2020, that's when COVID hit. And suddenly everything came to a screeching halt. You know, nobody wanted to go on retreat. And everyone was worried about, you know, the pandemic. And then he started to preach the COVID narrative.

You know, yes. And I was like, oh, my God, dude. Like, I'm on your board of directors. I'm supporting you materially. And I'm a doctor and an engineer. And I'm just saying, look, we don't know enough about the vaccines or and these people are not to be trusted. And the guy just made every attempt to discount what I was saying and then humiliate me online.

Wow. And I was like, what are you doing, dude? Like, I thought you were like an expert in, you know, the esoteric and, you know, discernment. And you're completely blind to the fact that you have no idea because you're a Sanskrit scholar. And you're going to tell me about immunology and vaccines and, you know, efficacy and, you know, all of these things. He's like, well, obviously you're wrong because that's not what Anthony Fauci is saying. And it's like, really? How can you, how can you study and be?

a scholar of this, this amazing philosophy and not see what's going on in front of you. So another awakening, another huge awakening for me was like, oh my God, you know, you're, you have something really amazing to offer about what you know, but how are you not able to see this? I mean, come on. Or how are you not able to see that you actually don't have the qualifications to judge what I'm saying? And, you know, not surprisingly, he listens to people like Sam Harris. I don't know if you've followed Sam Harris's work. I'm going to take this opportunity on the soapbox to really say that that guy doesn't know what he's talking about. He's another sort of pseudo intellectual that a lot of people buy into because, oh, he's so smart.

Sam Harris is like, you have no idea. Like he doesn't know anything. Like, you know, he says some interesting things. But notice how he's attacking people like RFK Jr. right now. Yeah. I mean, based on what? It's incredible to me that people like him actually do. don't see that they have no idea what they're talking about.

I mean, clearly, especially when it's like the same talking points being parroted across like the left wing media and it's none of it is actually like rooted in anything meaningful. It's so it's just whenever anybody says any of the like the things about the bear and the brain worm, whatever freaking else, it's like, okay, now it's really clear that you're just propagandized. Like you don't actually, you're not speaking with any sort of confidence. You're just parroting things. Correct. Yes.

Yes. They're parroting the things, you know, because they're outsourcing sense making to the experts. They're doing exactly what, you know, they're in the age of Pisces. And we're, you know, we're blowing through this now, like coming to sense ourselves. Isn't Sam Harris's podcast making sense? Yeah. I encourage you and your audience to seek out a substack piece I wrote about eight months ago called Faking Sense with Sam Harris. Oh, nice.

And it basically uses one of his takedowns of. Bobby Kennedy is like you're being so silly with this, this, uh, this take on Bobby Kennedy saying that he's wrong because Paul Offit. I don't know if you guys know Paul. Right. Says that he's wrong. Yeah. It's like how do you know that Paul Offit is right just because he makes vaccines and has made, you know, a ton of money. Uh, that and look at all the things he said since. And obviously we're getting off topic. Rod does not talk about COVID. I just want everyone to not understand. But, but, you know, the law of one is about these kinds of things. Like, how is the negative side using their ways to, I'll say this.

So there's a hierarchy of your chakras, right? And the Anahata chakra or the heart chakra is about love, about, you know, really loving each other. Sitting above it is the Vichutti chakra in your throat. This is sort of the base of knowledge. It's here because speech and thought are basically the same thing. These are abstract concepts. It's not so hard for someone who's trained in wisdom to manipulate people who want to love. That is exactly what we saw during COVID.

It's like, don't you care about your grandmother? Don't you care about society? Like you need to jump in line and, you know, get the jab. Like you don't know anything about vaccines. You need to trust the experts. And that's why it was so powerful is that they manipulated people using their desire to do the right thing for others. This is how it's working. And it's not so easy to break free.

And again, you know, kudos to you, Alexis, what you're doing. Offering a platform to people who have legitimate things to say and asking the right questions. I think you're a really good interviewer and you bring great guests on your show, especially me. Thank you very much for having it. It's always a pleasure, literally. I mean, I'm just a very brief aside. I was just thinking, in order to do right by others, you kind of have to do right by yourself, too, to a certain extent.

Otherwise, like, how can you square that? It's kind of like the accent, whatever it is, do unto others as you would do unto yourself. But to a certain extent, that's true, especially if you consider everybody as coming from the same meta being, let's say, like you, the way you treat yourself is going to reflect in how you act in the world. So I mean, by that token, I mean, service to self, it kind of has to come at some level before you can serve others, right? Because if your health is failing and like there's a lot of people pleasers out there, especially women who will completely sacrifice themselves for other people, but then they have nothing left to give. And this is like what Paul talks about with in order to like bring your full 50% to the relationship.

You have to have a full cup. You have to have that full 50% available. If your health is failing, there's part of your consciousness that's tied up in your body that you can never. you can't offer to other people. So there's a piece of you that's missing from every relationship that you're engaged in. So anyway, just I thought it was an important aside just to mention like, you know, service to self isn't necessarily always like the negative pull, at least in the way of conceptualizing. I think it's required at a basic level for a survival standpoint.

And then from that healthy foundation, you can then serve others. Well, look, because you brought it up, I will say that the next chakra, the indigo ray, if you will, is about balance, about balancing wisdom with love. And it speaks exactly to what you're saying. It's like, how do you balance the need to help each other, to help others and serve the greater good, but also have the wisdom to understand that what is the proper pathway? It's, it's not martyrdom necessarily. Yeah. It's actually, like, if you're truly interested in serving, you need to bring in wisdom and you need to balance the two. And, you know, what's fascinating here is, um, Ra was asked a lot about Jesus because Don and Carla were all, you know, avid Christians.

I think I'm not sure about Don, but definitely Carla was. And Ra says something very interesting about Jesus. First of all, you know, look, obviously Jesus is not the son of God according to the law of one. I'm sorry if I'm, you know, after all, we're talking about the law of one, not the Bible. It's the law of one talking here. And what Jesus was was a highly, highly advanced soul, but not perfect, according to Ra. So don't hate Raw for that, please. That's what he's saying.

But when asked about Jesus, Ra was like, look, he wanted to serve humankind so deeply that he martyred himself. Had, you know, he had more wisdom, let's say, he would have evolved. avoided it and spent another 50 years on his, you know, lecturing and bringing more people together, being very, very precise about, you know, what he wanted to do and say. So it is a common, as Ross says, a common problem that people who are extremely serving others will sacrifice themselves in the wrong kind of relationship. And by the way, you guys are going to really, if you interested in the law one. I mean, Ra talks a lot about relationships and the distortions around them and the need for control or the need to be controlled and how this eventually leads to a problem

and a impediment towards moving forward. And by the way, I want to say this, like when Ra was third density, they didn't make war. They ascended, not from technology necessarily, but they ascended through making love. It was about like, what did you learn about infinity? What did you learn about the universe when you come together in the right way with another conscious third density being

and explore those things? That was a lot of what their culture was like. Wow. Wait, so was raw one being when they were third density? No, they were just like us. They were just like us. Like third density were, there's separate souls.

They're trying to figure it out. But they were very much aligned with, love and helping each other. And look, another, what do we got? All right. So as crazy as this sounds, Ra says that they, when they were third density

billions of years ago, they were on Venus. And you look at Venus right now, it's like, well, how could third density being survive on Venus? Because it's like 900 degrees at the surface. It's not the way it was when Raw was around, number one.

Okay? and they actually had a very, very smooth transition into fourth density, way smoother than what ours is. Why is our society having such a hard time? And Raat says is that many of the souls that are here on the planet right now did not come from Earth. They actually came from Mars. Well, that's interesting because Mars is the planet of like war. Venus is the planet, relationships and love and aesthetic. So that's very interesting.

That's precisely right. Venus is love. Mars is, you know, the planet of war. And 500,000 years ago, according to Raw, there was a teeming civilization of third density life forms on Mars. And they were very much like us in that they were very belligerent. And they destroyed their atmosphere with thermonuclear weapons. Wow.

And those souls had to have, were taken and brought. to the earth and they took, you know, they incarnated on earth. And so now we have a very, very disparate society where there's belligerent souls out there and, you know, potentially lots of negatively oriented people. And so it's a very, very difficult transition. And look, as crazy as that sounds, I suggest go looking at the NASA scientist named John Vandenberg, I think he is. And a few years ago, he came out with a startling finding, which is, which is, in the atmosphere of Mars, there exists a xenotope, a isotope of xenon, I think it's called Xenon 129, that as far as we know exists only on two places in the solar system in our

atmosphere and on Mars. And the reason for that is because it is a byproduct of a thermonuclear explosion. And the levels on Mars are way higher than on Earth. The reason why we have them here on Earth is because we blew up bombs in our atmosphere in the 50s and 60s when we're testing. You can't find it anywhere else except on Mars and much higher levels. And, you know, Rod just simply says, oh, yeah, well, you know, there were third density beings on Mars and they ruined their planet. So now they're here by day, their souls are here. So something to consider.

Wow. That's so interesting. That's so interesting. Okay. I know we've been going for a long time. Is there anything else that you want to say before we part for now? And I'll include resources and links to your substack, your Instagram, where people can find you. I also include links to like the book series that people can find the Law of One if they want to start reading that.

Or any other resources that you want to include, just let me know. And I'll link them in the bio or like in the show notes rather. No, I would say if there was any parting words, I would say just, you know, stay open-minded. And notice when people are telling you that you, that you, you need to believe this or believe that because of some, you know, payout. And ultimately, you have to make up your own mind. And in order to make up your own mind, you'd have to take a close look at your mind first. So that's it.

Would you recommend meditation or just self-reflection in general? No, I recommend Netflix as often as you can. Just watch, you know, binge watch. That's what we need to be doing right now. Yeah. No, no, you need to have a contemplative practice. is for sure. And I, there's lots of things out there. I really recommend Vyipashna. We should check it out because we have on in the, in our country right now, we have schools that were started by Sotina

and Gwanka. You know, this is some dude who is in the lineage going back 2,500 years to the Buddha. And the reason why it's interesting is not only is it extremely effective and very, very simple, but raw talks about what to do and it's just like the passion of meditation. So there's got to be some truth to this. Great. Maybe you can give me some links to that guy's school and I can put it in the show notes to if people are interested in learning. All right.

Matava, thank you so much. This was so fun. I think we almost, how long did we two hours and 20 minutes? Oh, my God. So good. How many people are going to stick through. the whole thing. What are you going to take out, Alexis? You've got to take out something. Oh, no, not at all. It's saying it all stays. It all stays. All right. Well, it all stays.

This was a pleasure. Thank you so much for your time. You're so generous with your time. I think this was a really fun conversation. I think people are going to love it. I'll probably post it tonight. So all. Really? Oh. Yeah. I love how you just turn around and post it. Yeah, I got to. Yeah, that's great. Awesome. Yeah. No, thank you for having me. Really. I really enjoy talking to You're a very, I'm not kidding around. You're a very good podcast interviewer. Thank you. And you have lots to say.

And, you know, one of these days, we're going to, you know, you're going to be the guest and you get to unload on people. I do a lot of that anyways. I could talk for hours like a monologue. But hopefully we can connect in person sometime. We're not that far from each other. So I would really like that. And just thank you so much for your time and all of your work. It's so, so important right now.

And I think it's really facilitating, helping to facilitate our evolution. in the positive direction so it's just so valuable. You're welcome and thank you too for what you're doing. So yeah, hope to see you soon in person. Yeah, likewise. Take care. All right. Bye.

Bye.