Undoctrinate Yourself - #46 - Dr. Fransisco Gutierrez

Episode Date: April 26, 2026

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Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Undoctrinate Yourself. Today, I'm joined by Dr. Francisco Gutierrez. He's an internal medicine, board certified family practice, and like GP. And he's doing incredible work, integrating light biology, circadian biology, quantum biology into his practice and helping people to really reclaim their lives and their health. And on an interesting flip side to that, he's also, he grew up in El Salvador and is now witnessing this incredible renaissance that the country's having. So I'm really excited to get into that with him as well and all the things that he's working on with regards to bringing decentralized medicine to El Salvador. But in the meantime, let me just welcome you on to the show. I'm so excited to have you today and to talk to you.

We connected in El Salvador. And it was just a pleasure. So thank you so much for coming on. No, no. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure where you definitely connected at Jack's house. And yeah, I think this is the first of many of the come. Hopefully. Yeah, I agree. So actually, so I was thinking about. starting by asking you how you got into medicine, which maybe we should do, but I definitely want to focus on how that path ultimately led you to finding Jack's work and incorporating these things and your own personal experience as well with like health benefits you received as you started integrating these practices, things like this. So do you want to take it away and talk a little bit

about how you got into medicine and how that led you to this path that you're on now? Yeah, sure, absolutely. So I actually, In my, sorry, when I was a youngster here in El Salvador, as you probably know, we had a civil war. And this was back in the late 70s and early 80s. So my parents were entrepreneurs. They had their own business. So they decided to move to the United States. So we did.

So I grew up, I went to high school in the United States. And, you know, I went through the rigmarole of a young person, immigrant in high. school. This was in San Francisco. This was in the mid-80s. So when I graduated high school, I didn't know exactly what I really wanted to do with my life. And I had a very good friend. And we were chatting, you know, two o'clock in the morning, maybe over a beer. And then he said that he wanted to be a doctor because he wanted to help humanity. And I said, okay, I think that's a good idea. I'll do the same. So, you know, fast forward. We moved back to El Salvador. for personal reasons.

And then I went to medical school here in El Salvador, University of Evangelica. And then that was my guiding light was how I can help people. So when I graduated from medical school here, I went to work for a non-governmental organization that dealt with kids that worked and lived in the street. So I really learned a lot about, you know, human suffering for lack of a better word from that experience. And that really kind of shaped my whole career and how I see life, you know, to this day, actually.

So then an opportunity to present itself for me to come to the United States and pursue my residency, my internship in residency and specialty. took it. It was very difficult. This is not a very easy thing to come to the United States as a foreign grad and become a certified licensed physician, et cetera. But I did it. You know, I was, along the way, I got married. I had a daughter. And then it turned out that after I finished my residency, an opportunity to present itself to come to Rhode Island to initially to work as internal medicine primary care position for a cardiologist, a single practice. And then that eventually morphed into going out on my own and establishing my first solo practice. This was back in the year, in the early 2000s. So back then, we did everything, you know, I didn't have any idea

of decentralization. I, you know, I was applying all kinds of, you know, the tactics that they taught me in medical school and in residency. But early on, I really had the observation that I couldn't help everybody with the tools that I was given in residency and in medical school. The hospital stuff, that was really easy. That was like people dying in the ICU. I could really apply what they taught me and bring them back. But the chronic stuff like diabetes and fibromyalgia, these things, it was very difficult.

I couldn't really find a way because remember, I was just totally centralized educated. So it's all about allopathic, giving you a pill or a procedure. The two peas that I always say, a pill procedure. That was, that's, you know, I always say that they taught me really well how to be a clinician. but the solution was always a pillar of procedure. Yeah. So the pillar of procedure didn't always help my patient. So I was forwarded a little bit, and then I came down with a stroke.

And at the time, you know, my career was blossoming. You know, I was 40. I had just turned 41 years old. Wow. I was a champion in squash. You know, squash is a very difficult, uh, sport, very intense. So I was pretty fit. Yet I came down with a stroke.

And that really was. was what opened my eyes to saying, okay, so there's got to be something. Either I didn't pay attention in class or there's more to the story that that I need to find that because nobody taught me. Kind of like the same thing that I've heard you say in yourself when we're interviewed and so and that's what happened. I started going down rabbit holes. I first went down to nutrition rabbit hole. I think that's the easy next step for physicians, right, because we don't get any exposure or education and nutrition. And that was good, but that was not enough. And then circa 2012, I was, you know, listening to podcasts and somehow Jack Cruz pops out. Wow.

This is like 2012. And I didn't know who Jack Cruz was. And he started talking about the mitochondria and mitochondriacs and this and that and quantum mechanics and this. And this is like 2012. And I didn't know who And at the very beginning, I thought, you know, this doesn't make any sense. This is the first time I've ever heard. The mitochondria discussed from this lens, from this perspective. So I thought it was crazy. But, you know, like he always says, you know, it's the mark of an educated mind, not to trust, but go and verify.

So that's what I did. He started, you know, I first took some of the books he recommended, like the Body Electric from Becker and then the one that blew me away was Roland Wix's, you know, biophotons. And then Jerry Pollack's, you know, structured water, easy water, fourth place of water. And then I started really like getting done to those rabbit holes and really, you know, spark my curiosity. But still my career was progressing, you know, the two peas. And I became a, I had leadership positions in hospital systems.

And then I also became an executive in hospital systems and semi-executive hospital systems. And with that, my paycheck kept going up and up and up. So, you know, it's kind of hard to, like, walk away from something like that until there was, there came a point where I just couldn't, you know, I couldn't keep going. Let's say that I had a creative difference with my employer. So then I decided to leave. By then, you know, I was, I had already been so much into these rabbit holes. And then by then I had already actually understood the Jacar's saying about photons, electrons, and protons in the context of the electron transfer chain. So I finally understood that in order for me to understand the mitochondria, I had to learn quantum physics.

and I did. So I didn't, I didn't learn the equations. I just learned the concepts, you know. So, so then I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life. You know, I was, this was like the mid-2010s, like 2017, 2018. I went out, I went, I kind of like went away from clinical medicine for a little bit and I came back and then I went to work in Rhode Island for urgent care. and then primary care practice, and then COVID came. So COVID came, that was, as you know, your experience, everybody experienced it. I was in the front lines at the urgent care. And then a friend of mine who I graduated with here in the Salvador,

he was head of the ICU, a Houston Methodist, and he came down with COVID, and he died. Wow. Around the same time, I came down with COVID being in the front lines. And then what I did, you know, I didn't know if I was going to have that or what. And it turned out, you know, it was fine. I didn't, I didn't get sick, that sick. But that really was the last straw. And I said, you know what?

I'm not going to go back to a centralized system that doesn't, you know, match with what I know now and with my ethics. Yeah. So then we did a reset, Eleanor, who you met and I, my wife. decided to, we sold everything and then we went, we did a complete reset and we founded this company, Solimar Direct Health, which is basically a, it's not completely decentralized, obviously because I still have a license, et cetera, but, you know, the perspective, the lens that we apply there to help people is decentralized. So that's kind of like a snapshot of 30, 40 years of my life. Wow. Love that. So many things to unpack. I mean, the first thing,

I wanted to ask you about is do you have any sense of whether your education in El Salvador and medical school was better like content wise than what you would receive in America like with regards to like the pharma lobbying and everything like that? Did you get like better quality information overseas like if you have any experience with like the U.S. curriculum? I'm not sure if you you do but I'm just curious about that. Well no no I do of course. That's what I didn't. Yeah. So so so the answer to the question is yes. here in El Salvador, the education that I, you know, the doctors that taught me here in El Salvador taught me how to be a clinician, taught me how to be a diagnostician, how to diagnose. But our curriculum, our textbooks were all from the states, all the same textbooks that,

Jack, for example, he used the same textbooks. And we used pretty much the same system as far as, you know, getting your grades, you know, the test, et cetera. But the perspective was a little bit different. There was a, you know, I wouldn't say there was an emphasis as teaching as nutrition per se. But there was, you know, there was more of a, okay, so you can use this bill, but you can also use this supplement or this herb, that sort of thing. Okay, that's good. When we came to the United States, totally erased. Yeah.

We had a, you know, I joke about this with friends and colleagues. Our lunches, when I was in residency, we're in a basement in a windowless auditorium. They fed as chicken wings. This is New York, New York and St. Island. So chicken wings and, you know, cream cheese and bagels and stale salad. They were giving us, they had people that were invited to give us talks about the index and greatest drug.

Oh, my God. So that was it. So there was no emphasis. There was no education in nutrition. I mean, forget about it. Decentralization and quantum. Everything was about the two piece. Yeah, and so compared to hospitals in El Salvador and, like, between the ones in El Salvador and U.S., is there a difference in, like, the kind of food that patients are fed?

Because I've experienced directly in the U.S., like, it's absolute trash, processed garbage that patients are getting, let alone the windows are bolted shut, and there's EMFs everywhere, and the lights are awful. And, you know, I mean, I'm just kind of curious because I know overseas, like school lunches, for example, are way better basically than every other country. So is it also the case in the hospitals in El Salvador? I'm not sure, but I want to say no. I, the, the centralized system here in El Salvador is very much like the United States. It's like you got to remember that New Salvadorans look at the United States as our father, you know, lumpus ultra. Got it.

You know, here, you know, I know of a woman who has MS, which is unheard of in the tropics. Yeah. She does because she lives a, you know, a Western indoor lifestyle. Right. Now, she had the medicine right here. Well, walk out, but, you know, they need to be educated that way as well. I think that the centralized systems here are pretty much the same as they are in the United States. Okay, got it. And do you know if there were, because I don't know what year was El Salvador founded as a do you know? Yes, it was 1821. Okay, because I'm just wondering from any, like, indigenous populations that were in the area,

were there, like, herbal practices that were, like, passed down? Yeah. Well, yeah. So the indigenous population here, the major, let's say tribe, like a little word, I don't know how to say it. Or the major ethnic, you know, indigenous is a tribe called P-P-P-I-P-I-L. which is a direct descendant of the Maya culture. Oh.

So here, the Maya, in fact, you can see some Maya ruins here, not as big as in Guatemala or Mexico, obviously. But, but yeah, so we were direct descendants of the Mayas. And, yeah, of course, they had their, they still do. They have their own way of delivering medicine or, you know, to their people. Right. And so were those herbal practices also mentioned in your medical school, or was that something that, like, they were talking more about, like, Western herbalism in medical school? No, I think that it was more about Western herbalism, supplements, sort of thing. Not, not, the culture in Latin America, unfortunately, we were always taught in school that these cultures were, like, savages.

Wow. Anything that, at least that was my experience when I was growing up here. Right. I'm 59, so this long time ago, but maybe things are changed. I'm pretty sure they've changed now. But that was the, it was probably a vestige from the colonial, yeah, colonial Spanish conquerors. Because I went to a Catholic school that most of the teachers were Spanish.

So priests, Jesuit piece. But so no, I don't remember learning that piece of these cultures that were, as you very well know, so rich in so many different things until later, until like, given on my own, I learned. I learned about the Mayas in particular and, you know, the whole culture. So cool. Yeah, because there's so much rich history down there. And I often think about how like, of course, there were indigenous popular. in the U.S., but overall, like, the U.S. is a very, as a country, is extremely young.

It's basically like a teenager compared to the rest of the world, right? Like, all these other parts of the world are so old, so steeped in different traditions and, like, wisdom that is just ripe for understanding. And I think it's unfortunate, the arrogance of, like, the Western mindset is to, like, discard that and think that it's somehow less than, even though, like, I mean, when we look at the traditions of, like, the tribes people that live in Amazon, for example, and Jack was talking about how he met with them when he was down in Suriname. And in the Amazon, they have these herbal traditions and like the people who are studying the plants down there. Like, they just have a

very intuitive relationship with the plants. And they, like, in the case of ayahuasca, for example, I remember learning that somebody asked, you know, the people who live there, how they figured out how to combine these two plants, sort of like completely different plants and different parts of the jungle. And like, you add them together. One has the MAOI and one has the DMT. And together, they create this experience that neither of them provides by themselves. And they told, you know, the researchers that the plants told us how to do it, which is just something we have no idea about in the West, right? So I just think it's so interesting and there's so much intelligence that we could mine from,

you know, this historical wisdom. Can I tell you a little story? Please. Along these lines. So recently, maybe about a year ago, a patient, you know, our practice is a member. membership practice. So basically became a member, a lawyer, youngish, maybe late 30s. She was born in the US, but her mitochondria is from Ecuador. So zero north latitude, living in the 40th, north a place. So she came, you know, because she was interested in, in our perspective. But she told me

the story. This happened before she joined us. But she. She was diagnosed with lupus, lupus, an autoimmune connective tissue disease that can attack pretty much every organ. In her case, the organ that it attacked which is frequently the attack is the kittens. She was pretty much already being evaluated for dialysis and then the kidney transfer.

Wow. Her mother got wind of this tribe called the Ingeos Colorado in Ecuador, which is pretty much the same. what Jack is talking about, the Amazon. They went down there. She spent one day with the Shaman and basically had her, you know, scatily clad, grounding under the sun. They did a cold plunge.

She told me that, you know, she was explaining to me, and I translated into pole plunge and red in for red light, but not with the panels, but actually with the actual, you know, animal skin and things like this. So she spent a week, she spent one day with them, but then she spent a weekend in Ecuador. She came back. She went to the doctors, and the doctors couldn't believe it because her kidneys were normal. Wow.

It was normal. And then the other story, same patient. Now she's working with us. She had cirrhosis also. And then started working with us with the stuff that we do with the red light panels, the grounding, the circadian alignment, et cetera, that we will talk about. a little bit more, I believe, later. But anyway, she called me one day on a Sunday.

And I said, oh, my God, why is she calling me? So I answered the phone and she said, well, I want to tell you that I went yesterday to the doctors in Boston and the cirrhosis is gone. Wow. And the third thing with this patient is she just learned that she got pregnant. And she was told that. she would never be able to get pregnant. Wow.

This is amazing. I know. And she went, so she initially went to Ecuador, when was it, relative to like the cirrhosis healing? Oh, this was probably within the last three years. Wow. It's incredible. The body has such a capacity to heal.

If you give it the right environment, the right inputs, it's like, especially tissues like the liver, right? It's like, it's wild. And we just don't embrace that whatsoever in the West. It's like, you know, we just, often it's like what Jack talks about, the difference between looking at like the nuclear genome versus the mitochondrial genome is like, you know, your body's defective and that's just the way it is and you're a victim to that versus like you have so much ability to sculpt your health.

And like there's so much you can do about it. You're not just at the mercy of like fate. No, not or no. She's a prime example. I'm a prime example. I had a stroke. I mean, you know. Yeah, I want to ask you about that next.

So, like, what happened? Did you ever figure out, like, why you had the stroke or, and then also, what was the rehab process like? What did, what did you do to heal from? And did you have any lasting issues? Thankfully, no, I, I am. So I had what it's called a cryptogenic stroke and most likely it was an embolic stroke. So strokes come in different flavors, right?

So the most common stroke is when you have a block, it's in some artery, either in your neck or in the base of your brain. And then that stops to flow of blood and then that creates a, well, like an ischemic stroke. That wasn't my case. You know, we did the, you know, $25 million worker, but more my arteries were completely clean. The other, the other type is when you actually have a bleed,

you know, like aneurysm and you bleed. That wasn't my case either. And then the third type is when you have what we call an embolism where, you know, a piece of a clot or something breaks off, in the case of a stroke is more than likely when somebody develops something called atrial fibrillation or a fibs on a regular rhythm. So that's a that's a nitis for a plot to form and a piecekin breaking goes to the brain. That wasn't my case.

My case, we never found exactly what caused the embolice to travel. But I was heavier at the time and I had obstructive sleep bat in. So even though I was fit, playing squash, et cetera, but, you know, I didn't understand all the things that you and I understand now with artificial lights and healthy foods, et cetera. So I was heavier. And with the obstructive sleep apnea, sometimes you can actually, we have something called a PFO or patent for Aminal Vali. It's a hole in the heart that actually closes when you're born. But people that have sleep apnea sometimes because of the struggling to breathe, it probably, open. So our theory was that I formed a clot somewhere in the legs or somewhere and the clot

actually traveled through the hole and lodged in that brain. Wow. It actually lot, it was very small. It lodged in a part of the cerebellum. So the symptoms that I had were mostly, you know, cerebellum was in charge of coordination. So I, you know, I went to brush my teeth and I felt like my hand belonged to someone else. You know, it was like my mouth was numb. then of course like a good doctor and I didn't go to an emergency I didn't you know I just it was five days later when I was feeling better that I decided my own MRI and then it was funny then the I mean it's not funny but you know I mean it's funny how we doctors are like irresponsible for lack of a better

over. So anyway, so I had, I thought that I had a, like a whiplash injury because I had snow skiing a couple of weeks earlier. And so I ordered my MRI of my brain, my neck, and the shoulder. And then after the brain, the tech stopped alone. They called me and they're not supposed to, but they did. Because I was actually ordered a physician. So they called me and they showed me the stroke and then I said oh my god this is this is something serious and then after that then yeah I consulted with a with another doctor not just me right then we did the whole workup but it I didn't have any like rehab or anything because it kind of like got better on on its own the days what we did do was because we found the hole in the heart we figured that that was involved

somehow in the in the stroke so they gave me a choice either i take a blood thinner you know for life or we can patch it and at the time they had there was a new procedure where they they don't have to do a open heart they just thread a device through the groin and then they they clamped it so that's i still have it you know but even you know i i do very well but even even knowing the things that's I know now, you don't need to do that. I mean, I actually have a patient that is kind of in the same boat. And I recommend it. As long as you can pay attention to what we're going to coach you to do, you don't need to do that.

Just because that whole was there, that doesn't mean that it was. That's true. Yeah. Could have been a bystander. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And it makes sense also because if you're, you know, even if it's,

wintertime and UV light is lower. You're still getting nitric oxide production from red light and there's still UVA light for most parts of the world, even in the wintertime. So like if you're getting your light and your circadian dialed in, like that's going to really help with blood flow and, you know, vasodilation and all these things. Yeah, I mean, the red infrared. That's the key. That's basically your, that and nitric oxide like you're saying, that's your blood thinner right there. Exactly. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I mean, actually, As an anecdote, my partner's father had, well, has, like, kidney failure early stage and had, like,

a hypertensive crisis, like, last year and got, like, pretty scared because he was also diagnosed with heart failure. His ejection fraction was pretty bad. And we consulted with Dr. Mike Twyman, who's also part of Jack's plan. He's amazing. We love him. And so got some guidance there, but then got him on, like, a protocol, and he was improving, and then he fell off the boat at some point.

and he had like a hypertensive crisis again, like a month ago or so. And then we're like, you need to really get serious about this. And they were pumping in full of drugs, blood thinners, beta blockers, all these things in the hospital. And his blood pressure would not drop below 160 over 120-ish, even though they were pumping these drugs into him. And then we were like, okay, this is not working clearly. He was in the hospital for two days at this point. I'm like, it's beautiful outside, first of all. Second of all, you're under these terrible lights, EMFs, like not moving your body,

just like laying still for days, this is not good for you. You know, what I would do for myself, check myself out and go sit in the sun. And he ended up doing that. He goes home. He sits out for like two hours, goes for a walk as well, like half a mile. And when he gets home later that day, he checks his blood pressure and it's down to like 130 over 90. And then the next day he sits out again and it's like 120 over 80.

And it's just been at 120 over 80 now consistently while he's been doing these. Now he's like really bought in. Like you can really see that it's working acutely. to help him. So hopefully he stays on the bandwagon this time. Yeah, no, you know, it's a, my experience with patients similarly is like, if they don't put anything in their mouth or an injection, it's like, it doesn't exist. Because that's basically how we've been, you know, our brainwashed, I guess. You know, we, but, but it's easy. It's easy to show them, you know, I, I do.

I similarly to your case, I take the blood pressure before red and infrared light therapy. And the systolic drops like by 20 to 30 points. Wow. Yeah, it's great. And also on that note, like we're really meant to be getting bathed in red, near infrared light all day long. If the sun is up, those frequencies are there. And so, I mean, obviously most people listening to this podcast will know that like if

you're in an indoor environment, those frequencies are completely missing unless you intentionally add them back in. That's why it's so important, like when you can work from home and if you can work outside and create an office space outside, even if you're in the shade, you're still receiving the benefit there. And if you can't do that, adding back in incandescent bulbs, light panels, things like that can be a huge game changer for people. I agree. Do you recommend incandescent now or full spectrum? Yeah. Usually we get our bulb, well, we get our bulbs from healthlighting.com and they're like enhanced incandescence, so they're a bit brighter than normal incandescence. And that's like the only issue with like the standard incandescence is they're typically pretty dim. Um, so they're not

great for giving you bright full spectrum light during the day. So they have like up to 150 watt incandescent bulbs, which means like you can get them actually quite bright. So it's like kind of like having many suns in your in your light bulbs. I know chroma is also coming out with this huge lamp that's like the Rolls Royce of lamps. It's like $1,200. And I don't remember how many watts it is, but it's like crazy amount, maybe like 500 watts or more. So it's like putting out a ton of light. So it's for basically indoor spaces. If you want to mimic like sunlight indoors, you're going to get that. Sounds like. Yeah, it's crazy. So you had the stroke when you were 41 and you said there were no, did you find Jack's work around the time and trying to like do the math?

But I think. No, I found Jack's work later than that. I first, so the stroke was like the beginning of the journey. And then a couple years later, I had to do some blood tests. for the hospital for my privilege. I forget for what reason, but I hadn't checked my lipids, my cholesterol and triglycerides. So I decided I would. And then my triglycerides went, it came back like 2000. Whoa.

I said, okay. So I already had a stroke. This is, but because I was already in the rabbit hole of nutrition. I don't know if you know this doctor, Dr. Robert Lustig. Yeah. So I listened to a lecture that he did for the public about sugar. So that really caught my attention because he talked a lot about things that I had taken his dogma, like L.D. L. Laskerol, so I learned a lot about sugar from that.

And then I started following him. And then when the Turgisvirus came back that, hi, I told Eleanor, you know, I'm not going to take any pill. It's not about pills. This is about something we're doing wrong, certainly. Yeah. We fixed a few things. Basically, the reason why my truck resource were so high, because I was eating a lot of simple carts.

I was eating a lot of, first of all, starting from no regard to circadian health, zero, waking up, you know, indoors, going to work indoors. Squash is a sport that is indoors. Yes. You know what I mean? It's like under blue light and watching TV, et cetera. So that is what started.

That's the bad thing. On top of that, you layer eating a lot of like simple carbs and I was drinking Coca-Cola and these and that. So we fixed a lot of those things. And then I started also getting into cycling. Oh, nice. That really took me more outside. eye. Yes. And then in six months, my interest came down to like, I forget, like 79 or something.

Wow. With no medicine. So that really opened my eyes as far as really being able to do things without the aid of the two peas, you know? Yeah. And then, and then I, Jack, I found Jack a few years later. So let's say this was around 2010. And then I was, you know, I had a long commute. I was, I, I, I switched jobs. So my new job was like 45 minutes away. So then I started listening to podcasts. That's why I found Jack listening on a long commute. And he really, like I said, he really sparked my curiosity. And then I started really going those rabbit holes.

And it wasn't right away. I mean, I'm sure your experience is the same. is like you don't like you listen to him and then you listen and re listening and we listen and re listen because every time you get something more and more and more and then you go and get a deep dive in whatever he's saying and this and that and then that's that my aha moment came actually about five years after I I you know I started following him when I really understood about the quantum effects in the mitochondrial when I really, really understood that I needed to learn those quantum effects if I really wanted to help people get better.

Because ultimately, we all know, and you know, and your audience knows, and I know that health is dictated by the health of the mitochondria. So the more we can understand how the mitochondria works and take care of it, the health of you will be. And it's not not hard. It's just that modern life is a full-on assault on our mitochondria. Yes. It's almost like it was planned. Right. It's crazy. It's like we're doing everything exactly wrong. Yeah.

What was the first thing that you changed when you heard his work? Did you start seeing sunrise first? Did you start getting outside more in general grounding? Like was there anything that you started and then you noticed? Like, oh, wow. First thing was the sunrise. Ah, yes. Yeah, that was the first thing. It was a sunrise because if you go back to his early podcast, that was.

whenever that someone asked him for practical tactics, he always said make like the sphinx. That's it. And look at the sunnights. And then I also in his one of his Vermont talks, he says, if you don't see the sunrise, then you fail. Very powerful. And what did you notice when you started doing that? I mean, first of all, what I noticed was I had more energy, you know, during the day. And then I, not that I ever really had any much difficulty sleeping, but I was sleeping more soundly and getting up without the aid of a, of an alarm plant.

Amazing. Yeah. So, and then, you know, then of course, you layer all the other stuff like the ground. The grounding is big for it. the grounding. That's another thing that we actually moved. We were, when we did the reset and sold our house in Massachusetts and that came back to Rhode Island, we started living in the city in Providence.

But province is a small city, but still a city, you know, so all kinds of, you know, 5G and this and that. So Eleanor is very sensitive to non-aity, MFs. So then we decided to move. So we moved to a house, which is pretty interesting. It's a, it's like living inside a park. It's like a forest and then there's a house. Oh, awesome. Yeah. So that's all that. But then on top of that, we also bought a grounding topper. So when did this company called Carrico that sells many things, but part of what they sell is grounding stuff. So they have, They have this grounding topper.

And then we sleep on that. And we check the outlets. The place where we live, there's no dirty electricity underneath. It's all. Yeah. So, and then I started using also all my footwear is grounding for 37A3 over leather sole. The flip flops that I use here, they're grounded. Yes.

Yeah. So that. that and then the other thing that really taught my attention was the use of sunglasses. Yes. Through them away. Great. You know, it's crazy. Ever since I've heard you say this in podcasts that you've also had the same experience that I'm going to share is that after you don't wear sunglasses, you don't burn.

Like I can literally be here. You be 13. I can, I've been there, like two or three, four hours. no bar zero yes it's it's wild and it also makes perfect sense too because then you're triggering the pomacy production in the brain and the skin and you're getting basically double the dose of the mshs that are needed for making new melanin um and i think you know every time i go out in public it's just crazy the number of people i see wearing sunglasses and airpods like so many people wearing sunglasses and airpads at the same time and i'm like i just want to make a t-shirt that says like throw out your AirPods sunglasses because this is like ridiculous And with regards to cycling, I'm big into cycling too. But I notice, like, I go out and I, like, basically wear, like, short shorts and, like, a sports bra and, like, I'm not wearing glasses or anything. And then I see other cyclists and they're covered, like, with the clothes, like the thin clothes from head to toe, sunglasses, helmet. It's like nothing is showing.

I know. It's crazy. And I have the cycling group that I go out of cycling. Yeah. A lot of them are from the Dominican Republic. so their skin is dark. Yeah. Other than so.

Oh, no. So on block and put sunglasses. No. In the 44th night of light. Oh, no. That's awful. Yeah, that reminds me there's a brand of sunscreen. I like, I wanted to like burn something down when I read this.

But there's a brand of sunscreen called Black Girl sunscreen. And I'm like, oh my gosh. Like, it's, there's a lot of programming in Western culture around. and also in other cultures too. Like there's even in like the east, there's like a, you're frowned upon for having darker skin like it's bad. And like everybody's like trying to have lighter skin

because it's supposed to be more aesthetic. But it's like when you learn about the biology of melan it's like there's nothing more powerful than that. You want more of that. Yeah. No, I agree. Since you're a cyclist, I have a question for you because I don't know the answer to this.

So you know that when we're cycling we're disconnected, right? So we're technically not grounded. Right. Yet when we are peddling, we are actually creating electrons because of the physiological plate. So I wonder if that has some, if that can actually mitigate the fact that we're not grounded.

You know, it's actually really funny you mention that because last time I went for a ride was like I went out last week for the first spring ride of the year. And I was thinking to myself if there's some way that I could like hook something up to the, like to touch the tire so that when it's touching the road, like, it will send a grounding force to me. And I, like, I haven't figured it out. But I'm sure there's a way to do it. But I don't know. I don't know about like the piezoelectric effects. I think making a grounding bike would probably be pretty cool, though. Yeah, there's got to be a way that. Yeah. There's got to be. I mean, the only issue is that like, if it's natural rubber of the tire, I'm not sure if that will facilitate

the flow of charge because probably most tires are like synthetic like petroleum base. So I'm I doubt that would. But maybe there's a way to make a tire that conducts the grounding force. But yeah, I think we just have a business idea on our hands. That's it. And the other one is, you know, since I throw away my sunglasses, I am trying to figure out a way to wear eye protection that allows UV. Yes.

So I am, I had what I use now is some old, squash boggers because I can't I haven't tested them but I figure that since squashes in indoor sports that there's no reason for them to put UV protection but everything has UV you know so yeah totally so is it for like keeping bugs out of your eyes yes that's that's the only reason yeah good point so what I could say for certain I know there's a certain type of plastic called CR 39 that is used in even prescription lenses that lets through about 60% of UV light. So I could say, you know, without a UV coating, a glasses, even if there's no prescription in them made of that type of plastic would be better than nothing. But yeah, I'm not sure. We would have to use a spectrometer and test to

see if the squash goggles block UV. I think it's interesting. I've definitely had similar issues, especially like when it starts to get a little bit warmer here. There's going to be gnats and everything and I'm going to be like wiping my face every two seconds. Right. Exactly. That's been my experience. also. But I mean, I like writing without anything. I protect you. But, you know, sometimes they're getting in your eyes. I know. It's so annoying. I also have like a bit of like my skin is on the greasier side. So they will literally stick to my face as I'm riding. It's disgusting. Though, I mean, I'm also not complaining because the insect life is just completely on the downfall. Like I saw an article earlier about the bee colonies just like absolutely like the catastrophe.

They're all dying basically. It's, it's pretty sad. What's happening to the insect life? It's, mostly the EMFs, I'm going to guess. I mean, pesticides and everything, of course, but the EMFs are a big issue for life in general, but especially the insects. Yeah, no, agree. Yeah, so is EMF something that you educated about in your clinic or something you think about in your home life as well?

Oh, no, yeah, all the time. Yeah, what we do, so we develop the program, we meaning Eleanor and I, and it's basically, it's a mitochondrial rejuvenation program. And the basis is circadian rhythms, right? So how to reconnect. And then the foundation is the three pillars. Actually four of it.

A lot of our pictures are Hispanic. So the whole piece is not very pleasant. So we concentrate on light, obviously, light and dark, you know, sunrise, wild-rounded. And then after some, sunset, either change the bulbs or put on the blue with new lockers or both. And then the second piece is the grounding, because, as you know, grounding in forms our hypothalamus of the time of the year, and time of the day and time of the year,

it's another way of synchronizing the circadian clock. And then the third thing is the timing of the food because we're meant to eat at a certain time and not at a certain time. So that's our foundation. on top of that is the type of thing which should be made by the sun, the earth, and the water. Photosynthesis or the animal related. The final thing, the top of the pyramid is exercise, which I'm a fan of, but it's not foundational. And I explain to people that is when I had my stroke, I had to exercise down fast.

I mean, I was like, I couldn't exercise anymore. Yeah. But then I didn't have the foundation. So EMFs go into that on the foundation. That's Wi-Fi. We asked them to turn it off at night. I have a patient now, actually, who heard. She complained that is chronic pelvic pain.

And she's been to every possible specialist in the U.S. in the Dominican Republic. And after like 30 billion pills and supplements and things, nobody ever told her she she her Wi-Fi router was right under her bed whoa so I told her either turn that off or turn it away or they put it in another room and now she's back wow that's wild yeah this is an area of study that we really need to pick back up and I mean of course there's been studies on EMF since like Becker was canceled but like not a lot in the U.S. like in other countries I think Germany has quite a bit of studies

in this area and Russia definitely has, but like we don't really know about it here in the West. So I think getting some good funding, like decentralized science research labs to study the effects of EMF and, you know, all these different contexts is so important because we're all being bade in these frequencies all the time. It's basically impossible to get away from them if you live in the States, unless you're like off-grid and like controlling your environment very strictly. But most people aren't able to do that and certainly aren't currently like that. So ways to mitigate and, you know, reduce exposure is just so important. Well, I agree 100%.

It's a, you can't escape it in the U.S. Even here, here, this house, it has a router. But it's all open, you know, and we're in the 13th north latitude. Very strong magnetic earth, as you know, volcanic. Yes. And, you know, UV-13 and based in red infrared, mostly infrared, pretty much 24,000.

So you can mitigate that. But in the big city and the, you know, the high rise in the 20th floor, you know, with all kinds of Wi-Fi routers and 5Gs, very difficult. Yeah, absolutely. Actually, a quick anecdote about my, I spent eight days in El Salvador, as you know, I met you there. And within 24 hours of being there, when I arrived, I had been dealing with some, like, nagging gut issues from food poisoning that I had had, like, a bit before that. And within 24 hours of being there, all of my symptoms completely went away.

way. I was like having perfect stools, no issues whatsoever. And by the end of my trip, something even more incredible happened. So I used to live in like terrible black mold like eight years ago. And it was before I really knew anything about mitochondria, light, all these things. So I was basically being poisoned every day. I was also just starting at Princeton. So I was under a lot of stress. I had a long commute, all these things. And I had this like mole slash scab situation form on my, my hairline. And it was probably looking back, it was probably like a low grade basal carcinome or something like this, which it wasn't bothering me. Like it wasn't growing. It wasn't painful. So I'm like, you know, I'm not going to do anything about it. I just left it there.

And by the end of my eighth day in El Salvador, it literally just fell off. And there's no, like, you would never know that it was ever there now. And I'm like, this land is magical. Between the magnetic flux from the volcanoes and the sun and the circadian biology, it was very easy to fall into like waking up with the sun and then going to bed shortly after the sun goes down. It's just pure magic for healing. No, I agree. I mean, it's a, a quick anecdote on my part. I came, I came here at the end of January. And I had, so we left early December, right? We were here for Jack's event. And then so all that time I was in the, in the States, pretty much indoors because the winter has been such a bad winter. It was brutal. Brutal winter. So I caught a, what I think,

It could have been COVID or the flu. Who cares? I didn't test, but I flew down here. I was miserable during the flight. The next day, we went to, we had plans to say in a different beach, not this house, but a different beach. And we stopped for lunch. I ate 16 oysters. I ate a fellow fish.

We went to the beach. I walked the beach. That beach has a particular situation that you can. It has two small fresh water springs sprouting from the actual sand. Wow. And then there's a show right there. So I went in there, in the spring, inside. And then I looked at the sun set.

I came out. I cleaned myself, I went to bed at seven. The next day I woke up, one. Wow. Zero residual symptoms. No coughing, no sniffling, nothing. Yeah. I think a lot of people, especially who live in, let's say in the U.S., take for granted that maybe like their baseline is just kind of feeling kind of crappy, just at a normal level.

So like you don't even really, you can't tell the difference until you get out of that environment. And so many people don't remove themselves from that environment that's like constantly depleting them to a certain extent. But then when you do finally experience what's possible once you remove all these inputs that are working against you and your mitochondria, it's really hard to go back to that. without just thinking, okay, what can I do to make this better? Because this is no way to live at a baseline. Like, we should be vibrant and healthy and have all the energy. And, you know, people are just so accustomed to just feeling kind of bad all the time. Agreed. Yeah. And then, of course, Western medicine is facilitating that by saying, oh, well, here's a pill and a drug to help you with that symptom that is arising from your

crappy environment instead of trying to help you rehab your environment. So it's just, everything is just a mess to a certain extent. Yeah, well, that's my life. Let me tell you. Meaning I have to deal with that mindset. The people that come to me, because our practice is a medical practice. But the word is out there now that, you know, we have this perspective and people are looking. A lot of people that we, that look for us, they look for a different way of doing things.

They're fed up with, you know, going to their doctor once a year and coming back with like a bag of pills. So they want a different perspective. So a lot of pretty much every single person that I see is a, as a new patient comes in, taking a cholesterol pill, or under the threat that they're going to be prescribed a cholesterol pill if they don't, if they don't reduce it. And boy, let me tell you that the, the misinformation that's out there about cholesterol is just insane. Yes.

It really is. I've seen that firsthand as well with my partner's father when he went into the hospital and had heart failure. His LDL cholesterol was under 100 and they still wanted to give him a statin. Yeah, right. I'm like, what are you doing? Statins are mitochondrial toxins? Why are we throwing these around like candy? They're making insulin resistance worse.

Exactly. Exactly. It's wild. That's just very, yeah, like you said, misunderstood. It's kind of like, you know, if you see firemen out of fire, it doesn't mean they started the fire. It means maybe they're trying to help. That's exactly right. You just sounds like nicely, beautiful.

Yeah. So do you face resistance from your patients? Or are they usually on board by the time they're getting to you? They like, they want to change. No, no. As far as the cholesterol, they're very happy to stop taking. They're very happy to have a physician tell them to stop taking the medicine, you know? Yeah, I bet.

Yeah. I mean, that should be the goal, right, is to get off them at some point. And here instead, we have people just giving. out drugs and saying you've got to be on them the rest of your life, basically. Right, exactly. So that's what we've done as far as results with our patients is that we've been able to, if not take them off all the medications, but reduce the amount of medications, reduce the amount of people taking, you know, the amount of insulin a diabetic is taken.

Insulin is a very, very dangerous drug because the whole, I'm talking about type 2 diabetes, not type one type in type one it's obviously a life saver but in type in type two the pathophysiology is too much insulin to begin with yeah by the time you develop diabetes you still have too much insulin is this not enough to overcome the mitochondrial dysfunction at the target tissues what would you ever think about giving them insulin it's insane i mean it doesn't make any sense yeah we have patients that come to me and they go to the the um mecca of endocrinology in Boston, and every time they come back, they come back with more insulin, and more insulin, more insulin. Wow. It's the same. And then, you know, just by, just by aligning them

with their body clock. And nobody does everything perfect. I don't do everything perfect, but our bodies have such resilience built in that if you just do a little bit of what it's supposed to be doing and getting, those are massive. And that's what we will have served in our practice. Amazing. Yeah, that's why I love Glenn Jeffrey's study that came out two Januarys ago, and he showed that just 15 minutes of red light exposure reduced the glucose response to the oral glucose tolerance test by 30%. And that's, you know, that didn't require anybody walking. It didn't require any sort of, you know, exogenous anything. It was just the light environment that helped support that. And it's like, I also can't help but think that this huge push in the longevity community for, you know, maximize your muscle mass and all of these things to store away.

glucose, it's the solution in the absence of the proper light environment. But in the proper light environment, you don't actually need that much extra muscle mass, just like having a healthy amount, of course, and like being athletic is fine. But you don't need to be big, bulky, and muscular to put away sugar in your muscle. It should be naturally happening by supporting your mitochondria with the light. That's right. That's correct. Yeah. So, I mean, obviously, one of my best friends is Gabrielle Lyon, right? And her whole message is like muscle-centric medicine, right? So, like, I've been educating her on light. Now she's outside. She takes her clients outside. Like she's all getting into it now, which is so exciting. But I think, yeah, there's just this really important piece here that

you can't really, you can't really remove it from the equation. I don't think the light, the light part of the story is just, it's probably like at the foundation, I would say, of all the foundational pieces. It's just the one that we've also screwed up the most, but it's also very easy to fix for the most part. It's not expensive and it's not time consuming. It's just a matter of, of getting curious and getting creative about ways that you can kind of rehab your light environment and approve your health. Yeah. So when you look at the final common pathway for lack of the metabolic syndrome, of which the symptoms are diabetes, hypertension, et cetera, but it starts with insulin resistance and hyperinsulinia. So the people that talk about, including bucterlustic, they all

all discuss the fact that sugar and seed oils, this and that, are the cause of insulin resistance with hyperinsulinemia. And I know Dr. Lustig acknowledges the fact that that is because they ruined the mitochondria. So ultimately it's because the mitochondria are impaired and at the tissue level. But when you look at too much blue light, especially at length, it does the same thing. It actually increases your insulin level. It ruins a mitochondria, but many different mechanisms. It causes a lot of oxygen species. It dehydrates a mitochondria, causes hypersinolinemia, and then there's your hypernalemia and metabolic syndrome, just by the light alone. That is what we teach our patients. Look, yes, I'm not discounting the food is important. Yes,

it is important, but if we don't have the light correct, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You can run 50 billion marathons and you can eat as clean as you can. You're not getting any better. Exactly. And then most people are bathing themselves in this light all the time. And so they're just basically creating insulin resistance moment to moment with their light environment. And also the non-native EMFs play into here as well. Like I was reading some studies from 2015 that were honestly heartbreaking that were done in like the Middle East, I think in maybe Abu Dhabi.

And they showed that the school, they were basically in two different schools. and one school was next to a 5G tower. It was like relatively close, like less than 200 meters. And the other school was not. And they showed higher rates of type 2 diabetes in the school next to the 5G tower and higher HBA1C among all of the students in that school relative to the school that was not next to the tower. And I'm just thinking like how terrible it is that we're creating these environments

that are setting kids up to have a lifetime of illness. Yeah, I know. And nobody pays attention to it. I mean, nobody even considers it. No, they don't. And actually, when I was doing some research on Alan Fry's work, and he was talking about basically the effects of EMFs as well. At the same time, Becker was, honestly, though, they didn't. I was talking to Dr. Marino about it, actually. He said they didn't really cross paths much. They were kind of like two alpha male lions and didn't want anything to do with each other, which is kind of funny. But of course, Marino collaborated with both of them. But during that work, I was just really seeing that, you know, there are very fundamental issues. that crop up when these EMFs are in the environment, mostly because our body doesn't really know what they are,

or what they're doing, because they're not supposed to be in the environment. And so it's, it's probably one of the tougher things to deal with, I would say, in the modern milieu. But what I do think is empowering is that if you're getting your sunlight and your grounding and your circadian biology, your body becomes much more resilient to stressors like non-native EMS. So even if you can't fully remove them from the environment, at least you can bolster yourself in your physiology,

against their presence. Correct. Yeah, you can, to some degree, mitigate them because we have that resiliency built in. And that's what we come with that resilience. Exactly. Although the newer generations is less and less because of their mitochondria heteroplasmine. Yeah. So, you know, heteroplasmia.

But nonetheless, for the most part, we do have that resiliency. It's just a matter of tapping into it. Yeah. I want to pivot a little bit. because we were talking about this before we hopped on, but I want to make sure that we circle back to it, and that is the transformation that El Salvador has gone through since you grew up there and then compared to now.

Do you want to walk us through some of the major changes that you've seen with your own eyes and your experience with that since you've been going back there ever since Buckele came into the administration? Yeah. So I was born here when I was born in my childhood. but we, our family, my family wasn't wealthy, but we were part of, we couldn't call it really middle class

because it wasn't really a middle class in the sense of the United States, but we weren't poor, but we weren't rich. So the country was basically rich and the poor. And then there's a little tiny part of the population where we belong that we called ourselves a middle class. So by that, I mean my parents were, entrepreneurs, they had, there were business people, and they had, they had access to loans and money and finance and

payable by a house, etc. Which wasn't the face for 95% of the level of which was to say. But because of that, I consider I had a privileged childhood, not really rich, but, you know, we had pretty, very comfortable. Then in the 19, mid-1970s, it started to, well, became the civil war, we started to really gain momentum. And there was a military coup in 1977. The government was controlled by the military back when I was in my childhood. And the military was controlled by a very famous 14 families here. It was an American that wrote a book about the 14 families back in the 1960. And I forget the name of the book.

Well, the book was called The 14 Families, but the name of the author. So then my parents, because they were kind of like well-to-do. My father felt like he could be a target from the communist rebels. So he decided to move the family to the United States. And that's where I grew up, I started the conversation. when we lived in San Francisco. At the time, the war really gained some steam. And then, so there were parts of the country where you couldn't go because it was like

battlefields. Okay. So we moved to the states in 1980. In 1986, we came back, went to medical school. And we went to my, literally, we went to medical school, and then, Bombs were going off all over the place. Wow. Yeah, it was like, it's kind of hard to describe, but, you know, you left your house because

you needed to do what you needed to do, and then you never knew they're going to come back. Oh, my gosh. That's how we went to medical school. We kind of like, we lived a life around all over that. Right. So there's a lot of destruction, as you can imagine. then 1991 came

or 1992 and then they've signed the famous piece of course with the rebels then the rebel faction became a political party and then there was no more war but then the gang situation

started to really flourish. The gang is pretty interesting because I actually witnessed that birth of the gangs in San Francisco. The gangstead became all those people that now Buckele is in jail, really their birth was in the United States and mostly in L.A., but also in San Francisco. So anyway, when I graduated from medical school, that was the situation. The country was really in deep trouble because of all the destruction from the war.

And now you were getting this gang situation. So we moved to the States and then that I really got really bad, as you probably know. Whenever we came back here, I was really, you know, I always had eyes in the back of my head just to, you know, thankfully nothing happened to my family during those years that live here. But it was a real thing. You know, there was a lot of people that were captured by the gangs. They were important. And then Buckele wins.

And then he decides to do what he did. And then basically jailed everybody, as you know. And then all of a sudden, the country gets his renaissance because now you can experience what real freedom is. Just to walk down the street and not get, you know, murders. Basically, you know. So when we came back after Buckele, It was, you know, that was around the pandemic too. So we came back like in 2022 probably.

It was a totally different country. You know, it was, you could see, you could actually experience and smell like the happiness and the freedom that the people were experiencing. Wow. And then the other piece of the puzzle was that he put Bitcoin also as legal tender, as you know, so that I created an opportunity from people. that know about Bitcoin from a little of the world to come here, set up shop here and start investing. So now the country, you see it. It's like there's a lot of investment in infrastructure,

a lot of investment in construction, a lot of investment in a lot of different things. Now, it's not perfect yet, but from the moment, from a period where I thought I would never see this happen to what happened, like almost overnight, or, me and my family was an amazing experience. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people that don't like the killer, but 90% of the country goes. Exactly, right. So I think the propaganda from like the leftist media here calling him like a dictator or whatever,

they're just, they're lucky that they didn't have to experience what it was like there before he came in and, you know, put all the bad homebray's in prison. Exactly. Right. Yeah. And that's, he's very, when I hear. and speak is very clear to say that, you know. Yeah. You know, you weren't here. Why are you, I mean, this was the only way. I mean, it's true. I truly believe there was no other way, other than, you know, there was really no other way to clean this up. In many ways, this was the most humane way.

Yeah. Yeah. And ended up doing. Totally. And I mean, they're basically terrorist organizations. So, I mean, we're supposed to do. Didn't the people have to like give money every month to? the gangs as well? That's right. Yeah, I mean, if you were a business owner, you have to pay them rent. They call it rent. Even if you sold my coconuts on the street,

they would come in and expect you to pay them rent. That's wild. And yeah, I can say from my personal experience, when I flew in, the airport was more beautiful than any airport here in the States that I've seen. And I know there's a lot of infrastructure being built, like some super highway that's going to run along the coast, I believe.

that's going to connect different parts of the country directly to each other, which will be great too to help with the, I mean, it seems like the economy is bustling, tourism is great, so lots of potential. There's a lot of foreigners here visiting and just setting up shop here, living. You know, I read somewhere that people from Costa Rica, the expats from Costa Rica, because Costa Rica is having its own moment now because they don't have a military. So the narcs from South America, it's easy for them to be there because there's just a police, not a police force. So it's becoming a little, I haven't been there, but that's what I've read.

So I know that a lot of people that lived in Costa Rica are moving here. So there's still plenty of opportunity. You stay on this side of the country, which is basically the central and western part of the country. The most beautiful part of the country is the eastern side, and that's really massively underdeveloped. That's what Bucaly calls search city number two. Those beaches are just absolutely stunning. Wow.

So there's a lot of potential for development here. It's crazy. We'll see what happens. Hopefully, Bukala can stay longer than these five years remaining. I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, and I was talking to somebody that was connected to me by Jack, actually, when he was down in Suriname, who's also involved in, like, Latin American politics. He's actually an ethnic Hebrew.

He and his wife have been, like, into decentralization for, like, 20 plus years. But they're in Honduras, but they're also involved in, like, politics in Venezuela. But anyway, he was telling me that this wave of, like, the kind of the ethos that Buckele brought to El Salvador's, starting to sweep across Latin America because people are seeing how effective it is and how much prosperity is being built and how much potential there is from that model. So hopefully that trend continues across the countries that have a lot of, you know, there's a lot of like corruption and Latin American governments in general. So it would be great to see that continue. Yeah, yeah, it's funny because, you know, five years ago, when patients, new patients,

asked me where I was from, I would tell, oh, I'm from El Salvador. Oh, my God, I'm so sorry. And now when they ask me, say, where are you from? I'm from El Salvador. Oh, that Buckele. I wish we had Buckele in our country. Yeah. What a shift.

So you're building a, do you want to tell the listeners how you're building a retreat center down in El Salvador and like your practice that you're building out? You said you're also bringing the practice to El Salvador as well? Yeah. So the idea actually came from Jack and Santel. We met him in person about a year ago, a little over a year ago at breakfast. I've been a member, one of his members for quite a while. But I had never really met him.

And then he suggested that why don't we, because both Elinor and I have a license to practice medicine here. So why not do something here? So we marinated the idea and then we activated our license. It was something very simple. Then we decided, okay, we wanted to actual hold retreats here for our members in what island. In other words, bring them from there to here. Like, you know, street's not big. So then we just say, well, why don't we just jump without wings like Jack says and set up shop down?

there as well. So we could we can service not only our patients in from the States, but also service patients from here, both, you know, people that are, that have moved here and locals, you know, because what we bring, it's not just the perspective, obviously, the perspective is what a lot of the people that listen to this podcast would want to get, but we also bring the fact that we are from here and we have a network of professionals, including doctors and specialists, God forbid, somebody needs to get back into the centralized system for an acute something, you know, like disorders or whatever. We could guide them in that, in the correct direction, so they don't get in the hands of someone

alone. And also, we also have connections with constructors, lawyers, et cetera. So that's what took us a little bit of time to sort of, because we wanted to build it the right way. So we actually founded a company here that's called Solimart Direct Health, SIRSR. It's a different company than my company, but it's called the same. So and then we what we planned, so we decided to rent a small space to have a location. And a lot of this stuff can be done online, obviously. but then we were looking at places to kind of like hold retreats or maybe had a place

that we could bring people from the states and stay for a month, et cetera, you know, like people that need more than just a week to get better in a place like this. So that's why we're here in this house. We talked with my cousin who owns, well, the house is owned by a company that she's a part of. And then she kind of like the idea.

So we're kind of like testing it out for this, this, this visit. And I think it can't work. So, so yeah. So the idea, we're pretty much set. We just need to do a little build out on the location. It's not literally from walking distance from where we are now. Just to make it more like a feel like a clinic kind of thing, you know, not a clinic, but maybe like a spot kind of thing, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. So, but we're set. The company is set. Where the licenses are set, we just need the client. That's it. That's great. Is it like, are there also like boards of, that will like look at your license and everything down there?

Like, is it more, is it less strict rather than in the U.S.? Where like you have more flexibility and what you can do without getting your license yanked? It's less strict, but it's a lot more strict, which is a good thing. in the sense that in the past, you could call yourself, let's say, a cardiologist and have no real, like, documentation that you went and actually became a cardiologist. Oh, wow. Yeah. So now, actually, that's one of the good things that Bukle is doing is you can, you know, just show us a degree, a certificate or something that you actually were a cardiologist. Good.

So in that sense, it's more restrictive, but it's still way less than, than the. the United States. So we, we basically renewed our license. You have to be licenses to, to call yourself, to practically to pull yourself a doctor, you have to be licensed, or a practicing doctor. So just the same as in the United States. But it was a lot easier. It just took us, you know, just a, is this a bureaucratic thing that we had to, we had to pay a fee. And that's it. We we just renew it, like if we never left. That's great, yeah. So when do you think the space is going to be ready to have people start coming down and visit?

This late April, early May. Wow, yes, that's really coming up. So if people want to work with you, how do they find you? Do you have a website? Yeah, they can just, their website is Solimardirectealth.com. The same website from the United States. and then the email, they can email at info at Solimard Direct Health.com or me directed, Dr. GGRG at Solimard Direct Health.

Wonderful. Yeah, because I'm sure people are going to want to figure out how they can work with you and go on these little healing retreats, which I just think is a brilliant idea because like everything we've talked about, you can, you know, use pills and food and all these things, but sometimes you really need a radical environment change, especially if you have like a longstanding chronic disease. For example, I'm trying to get my uncle to come down to El Salvador with me, hopefully sometime in the summer. He has Parkinson's disease.

And so I think this environment for him would be a game changer. And he would probably feel the difference within just a few days of being down there. And so I really want him to experience that so that he knows like there's actually, you know, potential for healing here. He doesn't have to just live with this. Absolutely. So Parkinson's disease, right? It's lack of dopamine, lack of melanin, right? This extension of igra.

How do you make that? UV light. He always wore sunscreen when I was growing up. I always remember him lathering it on, wearing sunglasses. He never had Wi-Fi in his house or anything like that and not into like tech or computers, but, you know, no temperature, like extremes, no cold. Every time he's out in the sun, he would be lathered up and things like this. So it's not a huge surprise. But I think he's at a point now where he's pretty motivated to, you know, do something about it. So I'm really hopeful that we can get him down there for a couple weeks at least. and see if we can make some progress. Absolutely. It counts on us. Yeah, that would be great. It would be great to connect while we're down there, too. Is there anything else you want to share about your business,

about anything that we didn't cover already that you want to share before we sign off? I mean, what I really want to emphasize is from the perspective of the physician, of me, my perspective, this perspective is such much cleaner in this way. You know, I don't really have to worry about putting people in buckets. I mean, I know how to do that, right? I know how to put people in diabetes bucket, this bucket, that bucket. But it's really kind of irrelevant because all that really means is a symptom of something more fundamental. And it all boils down to mitochondrial dysfunction.

Now, how you get there is different. And why you have diabetes and not, you know, hypertension or vice versa, whatever, that's individual. That's why the other thing that I've learned is that everybody is an end of one. This whole thing about placebo control, blah, blah, blah, that's ridiculous. Never made any sense. Ever in my life made it in a sense, but now even less. Everybody's an individual. So I think that that is really the take-home message for the people that you really need to find someone

that can actually appreciate this perspective and help you as an individual, will not as a part of a bucket. Mm-hmm. Couldn't agree more. And part of that, like Jack always says, is, like, becoming your own guru and, like, training up the doctor that's in your head so that you can, you know, live a healthy life and you don't necessarily even need to rely on the Western medical system or whatever. But in the case that you do have an emergency of some sort, it's really great to find a practitioner like yourself that you can trust who's going to give you good sound advice that's

not going to just put you through the meat grinder of, you know, the surgeries and the drugs. and all the things. So that's why I'm so grateful for your work and for this community that we're a part of. It's just so magical and like so many good people involved. And I really think this is like the future of medicine and science. And it's just very, very refreshing and exciting. I can agree with you more. And I'm also thankful for you as I told you offline that whenever I read your post and listen to your podcast, it's as if I'm listening to myself. I love it. It's pretty cool that we're connected this moment. Yeah, we're kindred spirits for sure. I'm excited to connect more in person and spend more time and learn together.

And yeah, exciting times ahead. I want to just thank you so much for your time, Dr. Gutierrez. It was a real pleasure. I'm sure everybody's going to be excited to, you know, check out this episode. I'll put links in the show notes where people can find you and your email and everything. So they can check out where, you know, what you're doing. And yeah, just thank you so much for your time. Maybe we can do it again some time, hopefully in person.

You got it. I've been looking forward to it. All right. Sounds good. Okay. Bye. Bye.