Unheard: True Crime in Their Own Words - Diddy, Power, and Silence: What Relentless Aaron Says He Witnessed

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

In this episode, our guest isn’t just telling stories about the music industry, he lived through some of its darkest moments.Dewitt Gilmore, who is better known as Relentless Aaron, joins Unheard for a raw, unfiltered conversation about his personal experiences inside the world surrounding Sean “Diddy” Combs, and what he says really went on behind the scenes.From his early days trying to break into the industry to crossing paths with some of its most powerful figures, Aaron walks through moments that shaped his life, including violence, high-stakes confrontations, and the aftermath of events like the CCNY stampede that left lasting controversy.This episode digs into the power dynamics that define the music business, the culture of silence that can protect it, and the personal cost of speaking out. Dewitt also opens up about his legal battles, the decisions that forced him to stand his ground, and how he turned those experiences into music, books, and a new chapter of his life.This isn’t just about one person or one story, it’s about influence, accountability, and what happens when someone decides they’re no longer going to stay quiet.Follow for more conversations like this, and if this episode hits you, share it. These stories don’t get told unless people are willing to listen.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome to another episode of Unheard True Crime in Their Own Words. Today I'm sitting down with someone whose story touches a part of the Sean Diddy Combs narrative that most people have never heard laid out directly from the source. My guest is DeWitt Gilmore, known as Relentless Aaron through different platforms. He lived through something over two, maybe three decades ago now, that changed the course of his life. And his connection to Diddy is one of the most unsettling chapters in the larger conversation that's been happening around him. Now, DeWitt is here to speak for himself. and what you hear, and when you hear, I should say, how he describes what he says happened to him and what he's carried ever since, you'll understand why his name keeps coming up as people try to make sense of the shadows surrounding the Sean Diddy Combe saga.

This is a conversation that may challenge you, it may disturb you, but it's his truth to tell, and today finally gets the space to tell it. This is DeWitt Gilmore in his own words. DeWitt, thank you so much for joining me today. Hey, Justin, good talking with you, a long time. Yeah, and so the other thing I'll tell people who don't know about, you is you are, I mean, you're kind of a jack of all trades. You've done a lot of different things. You've been in the music industry. You've been a promoter. You're an author, a very successful author, which of course, during this, you can tell people what books you've written in where to get

them. But you had run-ins with Diddy early on prior to a lot of what people had reported. And we'll say that this is a different side. This is not a sexual assault or a rape allegation, but it is, it does show a pattern of violence, right? And with that being said, I'll let you, I'll just hand it over to you. Thanks. So I haven't told this story in a minute since, what do you call? The Discovery ID program, the fall of Diddy, I think it was the fall of Diddy. They did a very extensive, they did a very extensive, they did a very,

extensive program. I think it was like five or six episodes, man. So I'm honestly grateful for the early exposure, especially for the very, very credible sources or first movers on the story, yourself included. So just give you the, just to give you the sort of elevator pitch, but to go deep. I was introduced to Combs from Andre Horel, through Andre Horel. Andre Horel and I did business together. He was a rapper. I hired rappers early when I was 18, 19 years old.

I'm 60 now to put that into context for you. And so it was at a bar. My friend owner club called Bentley's in New York City and very successful club, Eddie Murphy, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson. These are the types of people that just found it necessary to be inside of Bentley's. It was just roaring with energy. The drug dealers, the sports stars, even the champions of entertainment and community were here at Bentley's. And then there was little old me.

And the funny thing is that I never went seeking out. Now Bentley's. This guy who owned the club, Italian cat, he sent for me, Justin. He literally sent a DJ to go find me because I had been doing concerts on my own and I was successful at it. And I guess he wanted to meet and connect with me. Well, now it's not a guest. He actually said, look, I'll back anything you want to do. Just don't F me. You know, screw me, right? Screw me over. You're welcome to cuss on this podcast, by the way. Oh, okay. So he's just like, yo, I remember this so well.

You, Justin, my life is a fucking movie. We are walking. He had a club called The Silver Shadow in Manhattan Avenue of America's in like 57th Street, thereabouts. And the club was underground. And he had this secret passageway to go out of the club. club through the back. And the back literally brought us to the front of the Plaza Hotel, the famous fucking Plaza Hotel that's been in all the movies, you know, right there. And we're walking to his little car. Like he had a little car, like a little, like, you know, unintentional,

not sporty, not expensive. This car. And we just go into his car and he's like, I want to back you. and just don't fuck me over. And so, like, we've been friends ever since. He passed away, but he invested a lot in me, man. Anyway, that just giving context to who I was when I was 18. 18 years old, this is the magnetism that I had. And so Andre Horel, who was the president of, like, Uptown or one of the big wigs in, See, now, I wasn't in the music industry, like, behind record companies and things of that nature.

I was my own man. I had a magazine called The Superstar that I started from scratch. And I started it. I just basically, this was my first, I know it's backwards, I think. No, it's not. Oh, so this is my first magazine, Justin. And it's only a few, it's only like, I think, like 12 to 18 pages. But this was my, this is SWV, very popular R&B group.

And then I created this magazine out of frustration. I was just angry at these local concert halls that were very biased towards me. And so I started this magazine just to be able to have my voice. But it grew, Justin, it grew, it grew, it grew from like to the big star. and I did this from my living room. I was learning software. I was learning graphic design. Let me tell you something.

Creating these, my computer would crash often. Crash just from doing graphics at this level. You know, back in, I don't know if you young people know, but back in the day, 10 megabytes of memory was the world. Do you understand? It was like 5 grand for that. 10 megabytes of memory was the world. And so when I tried to do these big graphics, it would crash my computer.

But anyway, I got grader at it, and I realized what I could do. I upgraded my computer. And I was just, the magazine kept getting thicker and thicker. And the artists used to come out to my office. And, you know, and we used to do these interviews. And I used to, Brandy, I have a very popular, I sang to her. She sang to me, we're sitting on a couch at the record label. It's amazing life, man.

I'm living an amazing life. So this was who I was back in the day. So person like Diddy, honestly, was my son, you know, in terms of, you know, the category of things. You know, you learned from the people who came before you. And I was that person who industry was looking at and people inside the industry. But again, I was a man that moved on my own. They had my magazine. I leapfrogged.

I catapulted that into a TV show. the show started as a local public access, but then what I did was I scaled it and I scaled it to be into 2 million homes per week. And the way I did that is we had these big three quarter inch tapes, like they looked like this. Today we streamed. But video was delivered on three quarter inch tapes. They were big like a tablet. And I would make copies of them and distribute them to public access. all throughout the tri-state New York and New Jersey, Connecticut area every week, sometimes twice a week.

And because of this, I had a network. I created my own network. I scaled from being, you know, they let you have this little public access show and this one station and this one community. But I realized that, oh, my God, I can go global with this. And by the grace of God, that's what happened. I started to get global artists. And my first global artist was Philadelphia. Hyman, my second global artist was Shaka Khan, and then my third global artist was Nancy Wilson. And just to give you, like, I was inexperienced, but those artists were looking for an outlet in the New York area, and they didn't have one. You know, getting on the network news is a tough cookie, you know, unless you were super popular

like a Whitney Houston. And BET wasn't rocking out like that. They weren't like they are today. So that said, this is the little machine I had going. I had the publication. I had the magazine. I had the TV show. And I was doing live shows.

So I had all of those going on. And I was the go-to guy for these artists when they came into town. And as I look back at it now, Justin, I'm like, wow, that kid. That kid. And so. The kid was hustling. Yeah. I was doing the thing.

You know, I tell my lady this. or tell other people this. Nobody knows this story. So when I was younger in the fifth grade, this tells you how my scaling goes. You know, I'm the goat of scaling, Justin, I promise you. When I was in fifth grade, they had a raffle in the class. Our class is like 30 people.

And Mrs. Zinman, who really didn't like me, was running a raffle. And it was for chocolate rabbit. The rabbit was this big. And you put your name in the bowl. And she picked out the name and you won the rabbit. So the chocolate rabbit was up for raffle. So Justin, she holds the bowl out.

One of the students, random students, pulls a name out and guess whose name they pulled out. So they pulled out my name. and I'm so happy. I get my chocolate rabbit and I go back to my desk and I start eating. And I got my hands chocolatey and my face chocolatey. I'm fifth grade. I'm just like, oh, my God, I'm so giddy with it.

Mrs. Zinman didn't like me so much that she held a second raffle, Justin, back to back. And she says, okay, we're going to do another raffle. Like, she wanted to see somebody deserving when the raffle. You were deserving. She just because she didn't like you. That didn't make you less deserving. But, yeah, I get what you're saying. Well, Justin, that's up in the air

Because when they did the second raffle Don't please tell me you want to get it They pulled my name again Nice In fact, Justin She came over and snatched the rabbit out of them There was no rules She didn't say you could only put one name in

I scaled I kind of cheated But there were no rules I this is who I was And so she ran another raffle. They found out I put 30 names in there. And that is who I was back in the day. Well, Justin, like, that's who I am today.

I'm just a little bit more savvy with it. I'm a little bit more like legal, if you say that's illegal. And honestly, when Andre Horel introduced me to Combs, I was that dude that was killing it in my own way. So I was, sorry to me interrupt you there. Yeah, no problem. At the time that Andre introduced you to Puffy, what was he doing at that time? Because he was young, right, at that point. And I know he was an intern.

Yeah. In fact, he says, hey, this is my intern, Puffy. That's who we introduced me as, him as. And we shook hands and, you know, I knew he was from Mount Vernon. So I knew of him, but I didn't know, like, you know, he didn't have like, you know, he wasn't like, no, no. He might have danced in a video. He was skinny. He was, you know, he was just trying to figure life out.

And so that said, but he did have relationships. And his relationships are what, his relationships are what the leverage that he had. You know, that's what really launched him in the entertainment industry. Was his leverage of being inside a label, a legitimate label, right? and having access to all these artists, the heavy Ds, the LL Kool-Js, et cetera, et cetera. And so, yeah, we organized the basketball game, me and him. We were supposed to do it in Nourichelle, New York. And, you know, all while I'm doing my hustling, promoting the basketball game, a fundraiser, you know, da-da-da-da-da.

He takes my idea and he runs a basketball game on the day after my. Like he scheduled it the day after. Mine was scheduled for a Friday. He scheduled his for a Saturday. He scheduled it for the next town over. I had no idea what he was doing. I was so busy with doing my thing. I only found out when I heard him on the radio, promoting it.

Long story short, that was CCNY. We all know about it now. Well, for those who don't. Because there are people that are young that don't know. It was a stampede. Tell them what happened. You know, that would be first blood for him. him because people died in the stampede.

And, you know, it was, it was nine or ten people, but I think we're not counting the unborn child. Yeah. But who don't know. Yeah, those was a bad. He oversold tickets. It was crowded. The venue.

I mean, this is all, like, this isn't even hearsay. This is all very well documented. You know, it was oversold. There ended up being a stampede. Was it, was a fire break out? Am I remembering that? No. So, so.

And by the way, the reason why it's more. well documented is because of his latest, you know, court situations and all his activities all of his through the years, his rapes, all the stuff. So, yeah, it was a basketball game, and the doors in the, so the stairwell goes downstairs to the basketball arena, and the doors open towards the crowd. They don't open out into the arena. And so, What happened was there was a, everybody was cramming to get in there because all these big celebrities were in there. And they got crushed. You know, the doors were closed.

They didn't let anybody else in. And basically the whole mob of people was pushing, pushing to go down in. They didn't want to go in. They didn't want to go out. But they were killing people while they were doing this. You know, they couldn't breathe all the above. So, yeah, they got trampled just trying to get through. Eventually they did open the door, and that's some of the footage that you see where people are on stretchers and people are trying to give.

And, you know, not for nothing. Yes, he oversold it. He didn't have enough security, all those things. And as a result, you know, it was a big hot mess. He went missing for a while, by the way. And because I was an outspoken promoter in the area brought up in Mount Vernon, where he's from, et cetera, et cetera. you know, I was very outspoken about it. I didn't go into the press and the media and say, hey, you know, talk to me, I know this, that.

No, you know what happened? I was ranting about it at my dad's strip club. My dad had a very popular strip club called Gilmore's back in the day. And I was ranting about it in the VIP area and some cat is there. And the next morning, they got a little line in the Daily News or the New York Post that sort of spoke. to me knowing more, I guess, you know, about what happened. Curtis Slewa and his wife, Lisa Slewa, who's known as Lisa Evers now, Street Soldiers. They had a radio program and they called me up the next morning, like called me up,

woke me up out of bed. I don't know how the hell they got my number just in, but they called me. They were on ABC radio, so it was a big deal. Anyway, they called me and they, hey, who's this puff daddy guy? You know, like the world really didn't know who he was. You know, they didn't know about parties. They didn't know about special invitation, how you stack the stack and leverage names on the flyer to get more people to come. You know, the whole bamboozling that went on just to get numbers.

And they just didn't know. So, you know, I woke up. I told them who he was and what happened. And from my perspective, I wasn't attacking him. They were asking me questions that I was answering them. I'm a thought leader now as a thought leader then. and but I was early in the game as a thought leader, especially in things that they did not know.

They came to the right person for information, but that was taken the wrong way, especially by Diddy, who's known, who's puff daddy, and his collective. So what happened after that, Justin, is now I'm global and I'm regional now because now Curtis Sleewa, ABC Radio is not only do they transmit nationally, but locally, he was the guy to listen to. He was a loud mouth, you know, radical,

you know, in the world, you know, and a talking head. Younghead. We'll never know what DJs were like back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's just say a talking head. I love Curtis Sleewood. Don't get me wrong, but I'm just saying talking here. So long story short, I get called on by nine broadcast plaza who Richard Bay was running that show, and he had a TV show. And his TV show, it was more than regional. It was called Nine Broadcast Plaza.

And again, this is before the Internet and all these things, but Richard Bay was syndicated. And so he called me send a limousine. And, you know, I want to say I had a little opportunistic thing going on. I'm like, oh, I'm about to be on TV. They sent a limo. I brought one of my dad's security guards. with me and we went out there.

And I remember Misa. Misa was there as one of Puffy's entourage, even though we know now that that became his girlfriend and she was one of his fans.

Do you understand? So fan that turned into a fan that turned into a fuck. There you know. Yeah, let's keep it real. Let's keep it 100. Anyway, I'm on stage there. Misa's not on stage, she's in the audience. And I'm on stage with Dougie Fresh, William Cuncelor,

Sister Soldier, and some of the victims' families of the Stampede. I don't know the intensity of this. I just know, hey, you know, I've been called to be on TV. And, you know, not for nothing, but I'm the guy that can answer everything. William Cuncelor knows the law. He's like a legend in law, you know. Sister Soldier is a rapper. Yeah, she's radical and she's, you know, she's a thought leader and all these things in the black community leadership, but she doesn't know what I know, you know, in terms of at the time,

concert promotion and, oh, she didn't know about my dealings of the basketball game, you know, that we had planned. And for certain, the family, and Dougie's saying. He's an entertainer. And the families, of course, they don't know nothing. They're just there like, oh, my God, we lost family members. So I'm literally the glue that can pull it all together. And I did.

You know, Richard Bay asked questions. I answered them. I wasn't attacking Puffy. I didn't have any animosity for him. But I will say, just keeping it 1,000, yeah, I was pretty upset with him not showing up to my basketball game. But, you know, I wasn't upset to the point of, like, I'm going to bury. are you son. No, no, I wasn't that.

But he took it that way, seeing me on TV, because he should have been in the seat that I was in. I don't know if you know, but he went missing after the stampede. He was MIA. He could not be found. Probably for a week, he could not be found. They were like, who's responsible for this? There was a girl, a woman named Jessica Goldblum.

Goldberg, Goldblum, something like that. She was partners with him. She was one of the front people for concerts and parties back in the day. White woman connected. You know, she was part of a pyramid. I think it was pyramid. You know, so they had these talent agencies. Yeah.

Famous artists, CAA and Pyramid. And Jessica worked, she was leveraging her relationships to hold parties. She had access to entertainment. She was connected to Diddy, Puffy. So that connection, you know, Jessica was definitely responsible, but Diddy was the face. Diddy was the black face that everything got blamed on. And look, again, you overbook things, you don't have enough security. You're still responsible, you know, no matter how you slice it, you know.

I don't, but, but it does lend itself to the bad boy that he proclaimed to me. himself to be, which really is a Napoleon complex, sort of, because if you know, if you've seen any of these docs, you know, he was a scrawny, nerdy, you know, non-threatening individual who kept security around him to empower him to make to allow. Look, this guy brought security with him into Macy's. They sexually assaulted a dude in the dressing room. The security held guns. They pistol with the guy. This guy felt he was threatened. He was threatened because them two bodyguards were there.

But Diddy, Puffy, whatever you call him these days, is a non-threatening, and he is non-threatening. And I'll tell you that's current right now because he's shown the world who he is. He's the one that was sobbing and crying on his. knees in the courtroom, right? Am I wrong? No, you're not wrong.

There are lesser men. In fact, the woman who, the woman who's part of this rapper murder in Florida, she's more stand-up than him. She's in the court, light-skinned chick who got convicted. She's in there. She's not crying to tears. She's going to take her sentence. Like, she's less of a wuss than Puffy, and Puffy's like 50-something years old.

So I'm not a ditty. So I'm not going there. But my point is, well, you know, so the thing about him, though, is that he's lived this life. Like, he didn't really even grow up without nothing, right? Like, I mean, he, his, you know, he was like middle class. I could be wrong on that, but I'm pretty sure I read that. Yes, middle class.

Yeah, middle class. So he wasn't like struggling, you know, a lot of, like, you know, right before we got on, we were talking about Shugnight. Shugnight struggled, right? Right. Like, Biggie struggled. So you're talking about people like that. But he's always been this very comfortable lifestyle.

The other thing that's kind of funny that I've noticed, you can call him whatever you're comfortable with. I've noticed that people who dealt with him back in the day still refer to him as Puff. Shug refers to him as Puff. You refer to him as Puff. I actually was talking. I mentioned him to you earlier too. I was talking to Chris Kirkpatrick at this thing recently. And, you know, he, because he went on tour within sync at one point.

And I don't know if they opened or whatever, they did something together. But he was, he still referred to him as Puff. Yeah. So it's just, that's kind of what you guys do, and that's totally okay. Yeah, we're old school. You know, so, yeah, so that's, that was our early beginnings. Andre Rell introduced me. The basketball game attempt did not work.

Thank God I wasn't involved with that because look what happened. And again, he was very upset to see me on TV in the seat that he should have been in, answering questions that he should have been confronted with. But, of course, he's not. He had Johnny Cochran. He had all these, you know, advisors telling him what to do, what not to do. He was young in entertainment and in the ways of the world in politics. So he had to listen to these cats because he was under the gun.

According to all of these docs, you see that he was, you know, he was the guy that was being blamed for CCNY, to stampede. So, you know, he was mad at me. I remember him seeing me at Madison Square Garden at a Jodice concert. and I was there to do interview with Jodicee, but of course he has an allegiance with Jodicee that's much deeper than mine. Jodice used to hang out of my dad's club, but oh my God,

they had a much greater allegiance, you know, with him, especially being on Uptown Records, et cetera. And he comes up to me, this is after all of the hoopola, and after he, I guess, won his case, of course he had to pay money out to victims or something, but he did not get convicted, for the stampede, you know, they tried, but he, you know, he had Johnny Cochran.

Anyway, long story. For the young people who don't know, because, you know, you and I, Johnny Cochran back in the day, like, when you think of cases, go outside of Diddy, he, he's the one that got OJ off. So, like, this was a high, very high-powered, very capable attorney. Sorry. Yeah. People I just wanted them to know. Yeah, I mean, like, he had, he had some money and he had the ability to buy the

best legal counsel, you know? And so, you know, it's Mark Agnefield Figlio now. It was Mark's partner. I forgot his name. He does a podcast with Gargis. Gargos. And it was Cochran and some others. So, you know, they protected him. Hey, I don't know. I don't know if they sleep well at night. This guy is an absolute monster. But I said this recently in a write-up. Yo, Justin, we love monsters. We love monsters. We love the Godzilla's, the King Kongs, the Incredible Hokes. What is it?

Loki? Loki. We love Loki. We love the Joker, the Ridler, the Penguin. We love them. This is just, I know their fantasy, but we are a, we love Al Pacino, Scarface. We love the Godfather. We love the bad guy.

And this guy is a modern day bad guy. He wasn't a bad guy that would come punch you in the face, but he's a bad guy that would use his raw, masculine power to overcome women. And women who were more impressionable, women who, you know, were desired to be, to be to be famous, to have money, to, you know, the things that attract young, impressionable people, he was in a position to abuse that sort of authority, even though it's not an authority. People thought it was. The younger women thought it was, and he did that. And unfortunately, here we are. Well, for you, though, that wasn't what happened with you. So you had a very,

right, right. You had a very different situation with him. So right. You're at a point where, you know, he's, you're on TV, you're on the radio, you're in the papers, you're talking about what happened because people are asking you questions. And honestly, because this isn't, you know, for the listeners, this is the first time they're hearing the story. But, you know, you and I've talked multiple times. And so I know your story. And basically, you were one of two people who was doing the same thing. You know, it was him and it was you.

You knew him. He took your idea that you had. He ran the CCNY thing. You know, that all went to hell. and he you know there's no real accountability for that other than some financial damages right there's families left to this day with that

still missing loved ones so he's now mad at you for all of this he sees you I'm in scapegoat I'm his scapegoat he's got no one else to be mad about mad at and then the other thing is Justin the elephant in the room is that

people like me speak out every day all day these days because there's more platforms everybody's a thought leader, everybody has an opinion. But, you know, me, I'm, again, his scapegoat. And not for nothing. I was also a wiry, young, you know, opportunist back in the day. So I was really no different than him.

I was just doing it different. You know, I also, I think I... You didn't tell anybody. No, I never did that. And I never essayed anybody. that's for sure. But I, I, um, the difference between me is I had some discipline. I went to the Marine Corps at 18.

Um, and it was, it was after the Marine Corps and, and, and my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my stint in the Marine Corps that all this happened. So I was disciplined, you know, when you go to Paris Island, man, oh my God, they, I don't, did you see the thing on Netflix called, um, boots? No, not yet. This theory. I don't know, I don't think you have to watch a lot of TV. Oh, yeah, yeah, but, well, anyway, there's a, uh, I don't,

there's a series on Netflix called Boot, and it goes, it's like when I watched it, I was like, my eyes were tearing up because they nailed it. They fucking nailed it. I wrote about it in a book called Bumrush, but I fictionalized it, you know, I fictionalized Bumrush, and I basically took my, so I took my idea or my experience in Bucamp, and I turned it into a fiction novel. So that said, I was a little more tougher because of boot camp. But, again, I wasn't like this dude who went around and attacked people or I was looking for trouble or any of that. And not for nothing. He's a troublemaker, but he's not the type.

Only with security will he go the distance. Not only that, after all of this came out about him, well, we'll get into the attack. back, right? But after all of that happened, I got a call from a woman who I knew who I put on my TV show as a host. Her name is Angela Bouda. And she said, you sit down for this, but I used to intern at Bad Boy, and he closed me into an office and tried to take advantage of me. And she says, I told him that I was going to scream at the top of my lungs if you don't let me the fuck out of here. And she nearly did. And, you know, he let her out.

Now, I don't know to the extent of where his hands were and what happened all in there. But I know he closed her in his office. And this is an office building in Motown. And this is because Uptown was part of the whole Motown thing. And so, like, I'm telling you, like, there were big names in the building. And so there was. There's a guy that was her steward who was her, like she looked up to, who took control of things. And he told Puffy, like, don't you ever do that again type thing.

And she also was pulled out of there and no longer working there. But, you know, she told me about that. So there's so much more damage that he's done to people in his life than we even know about. Some of them will never get on the Netflix or Discovery ID. remember he flew people in. He did like Epstein. He did like Epstein. And he did it at a time that we didn't have social media

for people to tell their stories. And so all these people that are out there, the waitress that said that she worked near the, you know, there's so many stories. And everybody can't be lying about this guy who's really a predator, to be honest with you. He's young, hung and full of cum.

And not for nothing. He stands up there with the Epstein's. He stands up there with the Harvey Weinsteins. He stands up there with the Peter Nygars. He stands up there with the R. Kelly's and the others who had power and influence. And because of the naivety of the people that came into their inbox or who came into their doors, they were able to overpower them and take advantage of them. And because they're men looking to whip their sticks to balance their own unbalanced lives, they took

advantage of these women. I think the worst of them is Peter Nygaard, because he would take the blood of these women and he would inject it into himself. so that he could be younger. Something in the blood. I forgot what you call it. If you do your research, you guys, you don't know what I'm talking about. But they spend blood and they get stem cells out of it.

He was spinning it and he was taking it and injecting it into himself. So he was importing women to his island and he was doing this. And I think he's up in Canada somewhere serving time. I don't think that his case is done. But he's the worst. And, of course, he had Epstein. Did he's right up there? Did he's right the fuck up there?

And again, he flew. He had a private jet. So you don't know who he flew in. If they even spoke the language, the English language, if they could even detail what, happened to them, you know, but I know they're watching. They're watching. They see his face. Some of them have pushed it out of their minds. Some of these people that you see in the press now are going through a cognitive dissidence where they're having a problem going back in time.

The people on trial, the people, I mean, they don't want to go back. They're, but they want to, they want to, it feels good to tell their story, but they don't want to go back. Honestly, don't I'll go back. So I know you want to ask me about the night and everything. Well, I know you want to talk about the night. Yeah. Yeah. So.

But let's talk about, let's talk before we got about the night. Because again, I know your story. There, something came to a call. It culminated, right? With this death row thing that you had going on.

So I think there. Let's start there. Yeah. So. The East Coast, West Coast thing was really, was really bad. Should we explain to people? So there was a thing between Pock and Big that was brewing. Of course, look, we are people who we love taking sides.

That's been going on for a long time. We love taking sides with sports teams. We love taking sides with politics. We are die-hard radicals for who. what we believe in. The thing about hip hop is it was not policed. It was not enforced. And because of the,

because Biggie was the big rapper on the East Coast and Pop was the known rapper on the West Coast, even though he wasn't from the West Coast, he was embraced by the West Coast. Yeah. That triggered a powerful, like, again, we pick sides. So people were picking sides, but because of the radical inferences in hip hop, the, you know, living out violent acts on record, people take those personally and they embrace them.

You also had at the time, you know, because Big and Pock used to be friends. Yes, they were. And then there was a falling out. Yes, there were. And so then, you know, to this day, you will not convince me that hit him up is not the greatest disc track ever written. It's phenomenal. Yeah, I mean, you know, and also one of the, one of the most boldest, not these. Very bold.

It was during the fire, too, by the way. all the fire. But I will argue to say 50 cent, definitely, definitely, he didn't have a beef, but his, I would say is number two with 50 cents, how to rob. Because how to rob talks about how he robbed all the rappers and the singers and in the industry. It was very radical. So hit him up was radical at a time that there was a fire going with the East, West Coast. And then pocket shot outside of, you know, which pocket shot and outside of the recording studio, right? And the craziness is that, you know, this is a, this was my haunt.

This was my stomping ground. The recording studio was right there by a nightclub called Birdland. And one night I was there. Mike Tyson was there. I was there and I had a singer on stage performing. The place wasn't mobbed, but it was a nice audience in there. And I go out, I go out for a walk, and Puffy walks by me alone. And honestly, I didn't feel the urge to attack him or to retaliate from the story I'm about to tell you.

But he had a cast on and it was dark out. He saw me and I saw him. And we just passed each other. But the East Coast West Coast thing really was lit by Shugnight. He was at an event that the Source Awards in New York. And it was hell in there because, again, hip hop was not enforced. Nobody was enforcing what was going on in hip hop. All these records are out talking about violence and drugs and doing things to women and all of those things.

unforgivable things. And when you bring us together, unfortunately, we don't know how to act. And so just like there's 50 years of hip-hop success, there's 50 years of hip-hop violence. There's stabbings from club parties. There's shootings from club parties. There are clubs that have been shut down.

There are car chases. There are, now you know there's killings. You're seeing the killings. now, but what killings did you not see when we didn't have social media? But yeah, you can see them, especially when you look at the black community back then. It was, we've talked about that. It didn't matter in the public or the police's eyes. And the other thing that I want to say for people who might be too young to remember,

when you look at the East Coast, West Coast hip-hop war, and you look at Pock and you look at big, what people have to remember is that the two people at the helm of the record labels was Shugnight for Death Row and Puff Daddy, Sean Combs, that was the head of bad boy. And while Shug played a huge role, Puffy did nothing from what I've read, everything that all my research and everything that I remember, he didn't do nothing to try to cool anything. In fact, anything he egged it on, especially when Big was trying to be like, no, man, I don't have a beef with Pock. He was like, no, yes, you do. And he kind of lit that fire a little bit. Well, I will say that that same night that Shug was on stage, and this is in the documentary that's out now, Shook was on stage.

And he's basically, he didn't point fingers at Puffy, but you knew he. he was talking about him. And he said, look, if you don't, if you want to put out a record and you don't want the executive producer to be all up in your video, dancing in your video and on your tracks, come to Defro.

So he said that, and, you know, look, where's the lie? Because that's all Diddy did to push himself was put himself, import himself into these videos, dancing, he wasn't a rapper, but he just was seen. He's all on everybody's video. hey, I'm not mad at him because at the end of the day, look, Spike Lee did the same thing.

He imported himself into these movies, and because of that, he became popular, and here we are. So the thing is, is that she'll use that in a way to say, hey, you know, it's unnecessary to be successful. It's unnecessary to have the executive producer all up in your shit to be successful, you know. We all knew who he was talking about because you'd go back in the air of bad boy. So that night, but that night, Puffy went on. the mic right afterwards. And he says, look, we just want peace. We don't want no problems, you know. And he tried to kill it. He tried to simmer it, but it was not happening. That whole sort of East Coast, West Coast thing is really us as, look, young, black,

you know, looking for the next sort of wild endeavor to engage in, you know, like, honestly, disruptions. Disruptions is the world right now, you know, but that was one of those disruptions, these so-called East Coast, West Coast beef. It even got its own branding, East Coast, West Coast beef. Even though Biggie had nothing against Pock and Pock had nothing against Big. I was actually at an event where they tried to reverse engineer everything. And it was at the Palladium. And Pock was sitting in a dressing room. And my friend, Francesckel Spiro was running the event. And I was one of the few people with a video camera. and I sat on stage on top of a speaker,

and I'm filming party and bullshit, and they're doing it live. It's now popular recording, the audio. But that night, Puffy and I walked by one another, this is before what I'm about to tell you about the story. And, and again, he's alone, walk by one another, and I said, hey, Puff, you know, let's let's let bygones be bygones.

And this is after the CCNY thing. It's like four or five years after. Like this is, you know what I mean? That thing happened. And I want to say like maybe 91, 92. I don't remember. It's like early on in the 90s. And then I saw him probably around 94, 95, somewhere, and maybe even 96.

Anyway, we're in the pladium and he walks by and he kind of brushes me off like, like F you. but he turned around and he said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What's up, what's up? And we gave each other like this buddy hug and he said, he said, we cool. And that's what happened.

That's the last time we saw each other before this night. So I had a magazine called The Superstar, as I showed you guys. And businesses used to average, black-owned businesses, to advertise in it. But there were also other businesses. Record labels bought the inside covers. Pizza Hut had a page, you know. So I was making it happen, Justin.

I was getting thousands of dollars per magazine. So every time I put out a magazine, I make this money. And basically, I would print these magazines and put them out for free. And I would be able to tell my stories about black entertainment, but also about the black community. But on the other hand, I was making money because these advertisers, small and large, a small beauty salon and pay 20 bucks to get in, but then a big record label paid 2,000, 2,500 to be the inside cover. So I was leveraging. I was scaling and leveraging, right?

And so one night, me and my security, Lance, Lance wasn't my security, like I needed security. He's my dad's security. He worked at my dad's strip club. And Rico, who was an intern, turn for me. We all were driving downtown one night and to pick up money along the way at the different businesses, beauty salons, barbershops, nightclubs, restaurants. And we're in Harlem and at a place called PJs. And PJs is a very popular nightclub, hip hop club at the time. and this cat was passing out DeFro East T-shirts. And it was a bright white t-shirt with DeFro written on. It's like, big and bold, DeFro East.

And he's like, yo, we're starting this DeFro thing in the East Coast, take our shirt. I said, sure, I threw the shirt on. Not thinking that I'd be triggering anybody or I wasn't part of the East. East Coast, West Coast thing. But I will say, you know, if you know about red and blue, if you wear red and blue territory, you're dancing with death, right? Same as the other way, blue and a red.

And so I would imagine that that T-shirt was indicating that I am for Def Roe or I am for the West Coast agenda. I don't even know, even though it says Def Roe East. It says Defro and Defro is just a cool shirt. This is like, I'm just not just supporting. Anyway, we're going further downtown. We get to a club called Downtown. And my friend Red Alert was spinning records down there to DJ that night. And the club had a line of people out in front of it.

And, you know, club promoters give other club promoters respect. Right. So, and especially my. because I had a little thing going. I had the TV show, the magazine. So they let me pass the line. I go in and, you know, the place is packed.

Red Alert playing. Go to Red Alert. It gives me a little shout out on the loudspeakers. I mean, I tell you, this place is packed. Probably 2,000 people in here, upstairs and downstairs. And I had my magazines, you know, just promotion, Justin, that's all.

It's a show on my face, you know, bullshit. And I leave an hour later Justin the street was mobs Justin like there was a mob of people out there man the line of people out front they were not letting anybody else in the club

because the fire marshals were there and every time someone else left they were supposed to let somebody in but they weren't they were shutting this down so I leave and it looks like honestly it looks like I'm stepping on stage of a Hollywood set because it's brightly lit a lot of

people out there. They got music bumping from their cars. They're making a party out of no party. They're making a party out of I can't get in the club. But my Jeep was right across the street. I had an Azuzu trooper, a stick shift back in the day. And I jump in the driver's seat and Lance jumps in the passenger seat. And Rico's in the back. And Puff is in some convertible. He's a convertible. He's a in the passenger seat and Wolf. Was he at this club with you, I guess? No, no. He wasn't in the club. He was outside. It was like he saw me and I know why you saw me. I'm wearing that t-shirt. Yeah. There's no doubt in my mind that I was attracting trouble from him that night with that T-shirt. Number one, he, he, I'm his enemy. Even though he, he, he buddyed up with me at the

Palladium. Look, I'm the guy that was on TV talking about CCNY. I'm the guy that was on Curtis Lee was show. I'm the guy. Look. And now, for me, in his mind, in his mind, I thought we were buddies. You, you're wearing, you do, oh, is death row like, that's what we're doing. That's, I'm just reading his mind because I, we all know who he is now. We all know he works off of ego. We all know that he attacks people when he has his goons. We know all these things. So this is not something. I'm just detailing it for you as I know it from as I lived it. So anyway, he pulls up to my car. Wolf is driving. He's in a passenger seat. It's a convertible, expensive. Now, by the way, he's he's caking now. He's making a lot of money. They got a lot of

good music going on with Biggie, the whole nine. And like, he's making a lot of money. But he found time to pull up to my car, my Jeep, and he says, what's up to Rico in the backseat? Rico says, what's up? But Rico's a fan. Rico was also from the area, lived in the area, so he's very much a fan of Puffy. Look, I was probably a fan of Puffy.

Look, I wanted to do business with him, right, early on. So I was a fan. I didn't know. He was a big, he was a huge name in music and hip-hop specifically, you know. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know he was a big deal. or that where things were going to lead, that he was going to be the jerk that he is

or, you know, that he was going to, you know, I didn't know these things. I just knew that, hey, okay, this is a guy to do business with. Look, my track record is long and strong. I just told you about some of the entertainers I was interviewing early. Can you imagine I'm 60 years old, how many entertainers I've dealt with in my life, you know, who I have on my phone, who I can call,

who's been over my house, who went out to eat with me, whose houses I went over, what recording studios I've been in. I mean, this is a, this is blessed life. And so it was, you know, just me wearing that t-shirt, I believe in my mind I'm putting two to two together, two and two together. And I know from my heart that he felt like I was instigating.

And he, that's what he pulled up to Rico. He said, what's up? RICO said, what's up? Then he pulls up a little further. and he looks around me and he sees Lance and he goes, he gives him a nod and Lance Lance is clear. He sees what's going on. He doesn't know who Puffy is, but he sees, he's aware.

Lance is very much security. Like he carries, he wasn't carrying that night, but he carried, he didn't feel the need to, you know, but he carries, he's licensed, he, you know, he teaches martial arts, like the whole thing. very buff dude like real deal anyway and he says what's up and then puffy goes what's up bitch and he says it to me he says that he says that to me and i'm you know i'm i'm i'm i'm stammering like because he because he caught me out of out of pocket i had no idea that was coming and i'm

like look puff we all know you're trouble this is exactly my words we all know your trouble we know you're you're a troublemaker, you just keep your shit over there, and I mind my business, and like, kumbaya. Nah, you a bitch. That's what he said. So basically, I look over at Lance, and I felt a kind of a challenge from Lance. I felt like, what are you going to do? Like, that's what I felt from Lance. And I'm like, all right, if I'm a bitch, just let me, let me out of here, you know, because basically they had me blocked in, Justin. His car was there where I couldn't even wiggle out. You know what I mean?

So he looks at Wolf and I don't know, I don't think words were exchanged. We are very close, by the way. Like he's literally a couple feet. His car is very, very close. And Wolf was his main guy until he got killed. But Wolf was his main guy. And so they backed the car out and let me out.

And I figured that's the end of it, but it wasn't. He basically followed me. Lance says, hey, he's following you. And I'm not feeling threatened. Next thing you know, we're making a left turn. And we're in front of, almost in front of Macy's Herald Square, where they staged the Thanksgiving Day parade every year. It's like one in the morning, barely any cars out there.

This is in like 96, so keep in mind, no surveillance cameras around on every blah, things like that. No cell phones. Anyway, this guy, Wolf, pulls the sports car over Justin and forces me off the road. I'm forced onto an island. I'm in a Jeep, so it's not a big deal, but I don't want to hit the car. And I don't know what's getting ready to go down, but he just basically forces me off the road, and now I'm on an island, and I got out my truck, and this is where I really feel like my life was in the balance.

I got out the truck. I thought we were about to have a one-on-one, like a one-on-one fist fight. His security, his wolf got out the car, Puffy gets out the car, but there's a lot of jeezes, in between me and them before we come within feet of one another. And at that moment, I realized that he wasn't alone,

that he had like four or five other cars that had been following him. His entourage was with him, basically. So it wasn't just him and Wolf. It was him and probably 12 other motherfuckers. And next thing I know, Lance yells, gun, gun! and that part right there is just like, you know, it's wild because the gunshots went off. When Lance that gun gun, I just immediately jumped back into the Jeep. I can't believe that Puffy and I never got close enough to lock horns and that I

I believe he blocked me getting shot because I know his guys didn't want to shoot him. And we know now that people would do anything for Puffy. Shit, Shine taught a 10-year sentence for it, right? I'm speaking about the Club New York incident where Shine was convicted and who had to do time. And he speaks very openly about it. All you got to do is watch the Hulu documentary. but, you know, I just feel like this was an out-of-body experience. And honestly, all that we know about technology today and what was not around,

I think that my experience could have been erased, but they would have had to get rid of Rico and Lance, too. And had I been shot that night, this would have gone down on record. And also, it would have went, it would have been, I would have been in the news. And this would have gone down as his next global sort of news flash, news alert, right? Because he would have been back in court. It would have been the whole club New York thing all over again, but different. But something he initiated.

We didn't have guns. They were the ones on the attack. And it actually turned into a car chase where I'm going down one way. I'm going on sidewalks. Is this after the shot? Right after the gunshots. Yeah. I actually was able to wiggle my Jeep out of there in light speed time.

In Marine Corps, snap, snap, chop, chop time. And I was like really like, look, I was ready because I honestly, I was, I just, I'm a driver. I'm a New York driver. It's crazy, but you have to dodge potholes. and, yo, that's how I drove. I'm driving in New York. The whole of, yeah, but like NYC. But I never drove on two wheels before.

I never, you know, drove against traffic. I never drove on sidewalks. This was the scariest time of my life. And I had two lives that were in the truck that were responsible, that I was responsible for too. Lance says there was a moment that he jerked the wheel to miss a hydrant. I mean, it was just like really wild. And so we ran a light.

I was able to lose them. Almost got hit by 18 wheeler coming down 7th or 8th Avenue. I think it was 7th Avenue. And near Times Square. And, you know, I was in New York recently and I actually was over in that. I was staying at a hotel near there and I actually filmed. I actually went out there and filmed that it, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that situation because, you know, you go back, you know, when you go back and revisit, you know,

I actually went back to Harrow Square, too, and just, you know, to revisit. So that's what happened. You know, we were hot-headed after that. We escaped him, racing down the West Side Highway. And honestly, by this time, I lived in New Rochelle, which is the neighboring town to Mount Vernon. and also Did he his name was still Puffy at the time but his Misa

who I talked about earlier I don't know if you feel that was unfavorable because like I said that she was a fan and then she became a fuck but she also became I imagine his friend because they had a child together they were living together

she lived on North Avenue and her shell right up the block from me I lived on North Avenue in a show next to the high school. And I've seen him drop off the kid and pick up the kid. And honestly, I was in retaliation mode. I wasn't like, oh, let's go to the police because they shot at us or, you know, nothing like that. We were in total military, like, battle mode. Lance took the Jeep because there was a bullet hole in the glass or something.

and he took care of that and he he took the Jeep and he also went to find these guys. Like he he cased out a party at my friend's other club, the same friend that owned Bentley's owns the Copacabana and or owns the Copacabana.

And so Puffy was being awarded some kind of hero medal for some nonsense. You know, they get, you know, they get these self-serving awards. Anyway, he was there and, And Lance went there and he took down all the license plate numbers for his entourage.

I guess trying to figure stuff out because Lance is like Lance isn't just security. He's very, he's a thinker. So that happened. That was that whole environment. And honestly, I never got get back. I ended up doing some time for unrelated credit fraud. And yeah, that happened. But we've because we've talked about it in the past, you did consider.

handling some street justice. You didn't. Yeah. You did. That's what I'm saying. When I tell you, I can, I actually wrote about it. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's fictional.

but if you read it, you're like, oh, this is Diddy. This is, you know. Figure it out, yeah. This is part one. And 50 Cent bought this. And so it's under G-Unit books. And so it's 50-cent and Relentless. And this kind of gives the background story, but I fictionalized it, if that makes

sense. So I'm no longer mad at Diddy because they gave me 25 grand up front and plus points and the potential to make movies. You know, and it aligned me with 50 cent. And that alignment brought me way more credibility than I imagine. And here's how that looks numbers-wise. All my, when I was writing my books, Justin, and I doing my grind and my hustle,

I got like three billion impressions in the media. Three billion impressions. I'm talking about hard media. I'm talking about in the New York Times. I'm talking about in publications that take the New York Times and reprints them. I'm talking about media like ABC World News and Daily News, all these things added up to 3 billion impressions, NPR Radio, all these things. The moment I signed the deal with 50 cents, and by the way, it took me about two years to get all of those impressions. The moment I signed this deal, my impressions went up by $3 billion in the first week.

I believe it. Unreal. Unreal. Unreal. So I'm not mad at him no more because now I was able to sort of benefit from my pain, turn my pain into profit. And so, you know, I don't mind talking about these things. you know, hey, Homeland Security call me. They want to, I guess, interview me, find out if I was good for their case.

All these things have happened as a result of me being one of the first and early attack victims from Combs. And I'm happy with being able to tell my story. That's the most important thing. I think I mentioned earlier about all the people that he might have flown in and everybody. Look, there's people that he's attacked, that they have lawsuits now, that they have never been able to tell this story, the guy in Macy's that worked for Mark Echo. He's never, I never heard his story except through the press. I've never seen him in person. There's stuff on the documentary that this documentary, I never heard from Diddy's partner,

like I did. He gave receipts. He had receipts and everything. It's like, wow. Like, we learned so much from this documentary. Also, the fall of Diddy, the people that that were in there. I didn't know all that was going on, all these people. So you learned. And look, I'm part of the ecosystem. I hate it, but I'm part of the effing ditty ecosystem where, okay, I got books now. Like, you know, the night puff tried to kill me and derelict. These are all diddy inspired. Unfortunately, you know, this is what I've been given. But Justin, I'm the guy that turns my lemons into lemonade, man. I'm a guy that turns my lemons into lemonade. And I, I, you know, these are the cards I've been dealt. And so I have got to, in my mind, I always have

to make the best of things to progress for my own legacy and my own purpose and my own sustenance. And at the time, the window of time when he was being prosecuted. the window of time when he was locked up, I felt safe, Justin. I felt safe enough to tell my story. And that's why you've heard so much about me because at that time, and other victims will tell you the same.

I felt safe. And so that's why, and I'm glad I've been able to tell my story because, you know, it would have fell on deaf ears. It would have fell on deaf ears in the future, just like, you know, and look, again, I could have got erased that night. And that's what I was saying. There was no technology. They would have had to wipe all three of us out,

but they could have left us for dead and there's no cameras around and all like that. Or it could have went the other way where I got damaged, bodily harm. And so right now, like, I'm maimed or I lost my eyesight or I lost my teeth or something is wrong with my body like Natanya Rubin. Look, the Tanya Rubin is the girl that got shot at Club New York, right? She still, to this day, has breathing issues. The money that she got didn't nearly pay for that, the pain and anxiety and anguish that she has to go through. And then him being let off, not catching the full RICO, that's got to play on her mentally.

So, you know, I would say to anybody out there who's judging right now, and you are, why didn't you come on say this in 96 or why because it was a different time it was a different time people who say that too and I'll say this and I know that we've talked about it

you got a bunch of black dudes in New York and it's the 90s the police aren't going to help they're not going to care and if they had left you for dead there wouldn't have been an investigation let's just call it what it is

because we know that's what it was not only that You don't even have to hear it from me. All you got to do is look at the data. In L.A., Combs shot somebody in a recording studio with his son present, Justin. They were in the recording studio. Before the police came, this is in the documentary, by the way. Little Rod puts it in his lawsuit because he was there in the recording studio.

Little Rod tells all. Puffy managed to push everything out. outside of the recording studio, the guy that got shot, I don't know if he paid him off or he wiped him out later on, but he's MIA. The police now are not able to come into the studio because it's not a studio thing. It was a street thing. So he moved it outside of the studio doors and told anybody, nobody said, everybody, do not go outside, do not, it has nothing to do with us. So he managed to compartmentalize and package that situation so that the police didn't see the blood in the bathroom. Yeah.

And all of that stuff is in the documentary. But Little Rod also talked about it in his lawsuit. So now it's part of, you know, it's part of history. But this is who we're talking about. We're talking about die who does damage and then tries damage control, tries to clean it up. He did it with the case with J-Lo and, like, he brought the gun in the Jeep and he told to drive. to try to hold the gun, the driver refused. J-Lo is holding her tongue. To this day, she's holding her tongue about this gun. So because of that gun situation, he was held harmless from the

club New York shooting. We know all of the other things that he's done, that he's been able to escape. Look, karma's going to come back and get this dude if it hasn't already. Right now, he's living in prison. He's lost his liberty. There's still the threat. of never leaving prison because I know a guy when I, by the way, I serve time in Fort Dix. Like, I'm him. You guys that are listening right now and watching Justin, Justin doesn't, just not talking, just anybody. I've done business with 50 Cent.

He's the executive producer, the latest doc. I've done business with Diddy, however that failed. I did time at Fort Dix. You will never find a person like me on the planet. earth that is part of all three of those equations. Do you understand? I'm the common denominator. And also, I'm the guy that he attacked. Like, I'm that guy. And so I'm not, I don't, I speak because I can. I'm not afraid of him anymore. I speak because this is part of my legacy. But there's some of you that have never heard this story before. You maybe never saw the discovery ID. You maybe never have

I haven't seen the fall of ditty or this latest documentary, the reckoning. And you you fuck with Justin. So it's like this is a different audience, you know. And now you get to meet me. And it's a pleasure to make your acquaintance. But I'm a good, I'm a good dude who grew up as an entrepreneur. My dad, Justin, it's in the book, The Knife Puff tried to kill me. My dad lost his leg at age 17.

He got a prosthesis a few years later. He went back to the pitcher's mound. He was mowing down batters according to the newspaper of that time. And you can research that. But he was mowing down batters with one leg. My dad went on to be a postmaster and then he, a postal worker. And then he went to coach kids in sports. And then he had a store.

Then he had five delicatessons. and then he added a liquor store and then a bar and laundry mats, rental income property. My dad did what a million men could never do, could never do. And I'm not throwing shade on any man because some men out there have done amazing things. Like the guy Nick Vour, he's got it, I think he's got like either a Dutch name or German name. He's got no arms and no legs. That's his brand. He's got no arms and no legs, but he's a hell of a speaker, and he's surfed.

He swims with no arms and no legs. All he's got is nubs, but that's how he was born. He's a pastor, too? Yes, Nick V. I can't remember his last thing. It's the same guy that's a pastor. He just got arrested for crimes against children. I don't think this is him.

I promise you, I don't think this is him. We're going to look it up before we go, because I don't want to lead that out there. But anyway, the beautiful thing is, you know, today you have, you know, chat GPT and you have all these things. And in real time, you can get your answers. We're talking about Nick, Nick Voo, Voo. I found them. Yeah, I can't pronounce it either. Is that him?

No, that's a guy. Okay. I didn't want to put that out there and be so wrong. So, yeah, so this is a guy who's a blueprint of radical resilience and, you know, Australian. He's Australian. He's an amazing public speaker. I can't imagine him doing any crimes against kids. So that said, I'm just saying I was just paralleling because my dad did some amazing things.

And there are other men that have done amazing things. But I only know about my dad. Or I know immensely about my dad. And so I am the chip off the, you know, I'm the leaf that didn't fall far from the tree. So it's on me to do the most in my life to succeed, to bring value back to my family name, to bring, even though I've fumbled the ball once or twice in my life, you know, prison and so on and so forth, I've never heard anybody. I've never no domestic issues. I've never taken a woman against her will. I've never done any of those things.

I'm a stand-up guy for what it's worth. I am now very grounded, even more so. I have great leadership in my life. Les Brown is a very good friend and a leader and a teacher for me. Not only have I driven and cooked for him, But, you know, this is a man that the world looks at, you know, and praises. So these are the types of people that I judges.

I had a judge here for my birthday at the house for my 60th birthday. I had a financier, a judge, an accountant, and a film distributor. I had like, and his wife. And I had a concert promoter. I had six people at my house that I find as, my circle of influence, my mentors, they're not fucking with me if I'm not like, you know what I mean?

And I'm not bragging. I'm simply saying that like my life is in alignment. I'm where I'm supposed to be. I was supposed to go through those things with Diddy. I was supposed to go through those issues with credit fraud decades ago. I was supposed to go through those issues so that I could be a better man today. you know, so, so, you know, gods will be done.

Well, let me, for people who don't know, because we hadn't talked about this yet, so you had, you had mentioned earlier how you had a conversation with like, you know, Homeland Security, you know, who was involved, obviously, in the raids on both of, of Puff Diddy's properties, you know, New York and Los Angeles. But that wasn't used during the trial. We watched, we know, we listened to the, well, listen to watch as best we could because, you know, there's no audio devices in a federal trial. Right. But obviously you weren't brought up. But there is a lawsuit that you have against him.

So I launched a lawsuit back in, I think it was November of, it was just after, it was, it was, it was right around the time that he was not given bail or something. It was like October, November. Look, I just being honest, I think I fumbled the ball because I launched the lawsuit all on my own. I paid the money to have him served. The law firm fought it. They were saying I didn't serve correctly when I know I did because I hired a server that is very big in New York. I had to pay $180 for some sort of like priority service. was a big deal, you know, and they came highly recommended by another attorney who was advising me, a civil rights attorney out of New York, won't name his name. But he's huge. And he says,

I use these people all the time, use them. I did use them. They served them. They fought it and said, hey, we didn't get served because some girl at the office took it and she wasn't supposed to. The judge said, hell no, you have to answer this because you were served. So they admitted service. And then the judge threw it out. The judge said that I didn't show enough proof. It's sad, but true enough.

Like, Lance didn't have the license plate numbers. I didn't have any footage. Lance was my only witness, which I went back in the court because I could. They said that you're, if you felt threatened, which I did, which everybody says they did, and if you have new evidence. Lance was my new evidence because we hadn't talked in so many years and we found each other on the

internet. And then also we had the, that was the new evidence. And then also, of course, the fear factor, which is in, it's in court record that this motherfucker intimidates people. There was another judge that said it. they threw it out, we appealed it. Yo, Justin, I'm, I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. It's not easy. It's not for the fan of heart.

I'm exhausted. I have a lot of, I put a lot of time into it. I spent a lot of money. Look, if you're not, if anybody's been watching the ditty thing, I'm the guy holding up the sign walking outside the courthouse saying

that looks like my book cover. Like, I'm the guy walking in Times Square with the big sign. It's, it's eight, it was like eight by four foot. It was, it's a big deal. Like I, I flew out the whole nine. The thing I want to say is this, is that I didn't have the finances and I don't think I had the right or all of the, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the expertise to help me to fight against all of big, big, big, big, big, law firms. And Diddy has more than one law firm. He has a series of law firms that work for him. They have the criminal case and then they have the civil case. And I'm fighting the civil case. That's what I was fighting.

And they were dealing, look, all I can say is I did the best I could. I gave it the best I could. And now my mental, I'm, I feel purged. I feel good. I got to tell my story. I've been on Good Morning America with it. I've been on, of course, Banfield. USA Today, like the fall of Diddy.

Like my story is told. Like I'm part of that, my history. So, but I have a bigger history. Diddy is a footnote in my life. He's a footnote. I have so many things going on right now. I'm helping people. I'm doing things that are going to be epic.

You don't even know this, Justin, but I have more music streaming now than the Beatles, Quincy Jones, Barry Manilow, and Elton John put together. I literally have 1,500 songs streaming under Relentless Aaron right now, and I have another 10,000 songs that I had not uploaded yet. So I've been working relentlessly to staple my storytelling with music and in profound ways. And hopefully the next news broadcast you here is I've cut a publishing deal or a, a catalog deal for all of my titles with some big, like, UMG or whatever.

Well, I think that's awesome. And yeah, I know you never stop. And you're very, you're a very, you're creative. You know, that's what you are. Now, before we go, though, there is something that you haven't done that I need for you to do that you want to probably do. I need you to, which we can link this in the show notes. as well.

If you'd like to promote your socials as well as where people can find your books, etc. Thank you. I would love to give you the opportunity in the space to do that. Any projects you got going, whatever you want to talk about. Yeah, awesome. So right now, if you're interested in supporting me, I don't, only thing I need you guys to do is go to my Spotify and to go to my YouTube.

Like Spotify, I'm Relentless Aaron and with two A's and YouTube, I'm Relentless Aaron topic. right so when you guys go there and you sub me on youtube you're going to get to or Spotify what you're going to hear is like i'm very big into jazz music i'm big into trap trap soul trap jazz afro beats classical music even um i have a lot of different music lofi um i have to therapeutic music, but I have great music that you wouldn't mind listening to when you're by a fireplace or chilling with having dinner with your girlfriend. I really could use people's support that way because the numbers, I'm not promoting it. I'm not throwing any money at it. So I expected to, and it's been growing exponentially, but it helps when people subscribe, when they like my

videos and they give thumbs up and things of that nature. So Spotify, Relentless Aaron, and YouTube, Relentless Aaron or Relentless Aaron topic. And you'll find all of my work, all of my singles, all my albums. I'm able to now take my voice, my books even. I'm literally taking my books and I'm converting them into musicals. I'm converting them into story. But I'm using music as the platform to tell my stories. So I'm really, really enjoying what I'm doing.

there and I hope to, look, I have now fans in all over the world. It's amazing to me that I have people listening to my work in South Africa and Colombia and Canada and just like all over the world, Japan, like that's the most amazing thing to me. And so every day, it's always something new. I have new ideas or I want to be a social advocate and I speak to something and I'm able to put it together with some powerful, like, some powerful music because music, you know, drives us. And so, you know, that, that, that, that's what I do every day. I literally wake up and go to sleep to creating music. Incredible.

And doing, and doing it for other people. So, huh? That's a beautiful way to live. Honestly. Yeah, it is. And, and of course, we get paid. I get paid, which is good, too. You know, you can make money doing what you love.

But, you know, you've been in the music. I mean, it kind of went full circle, right? You're back in music, just in a different capacity. That part. And, you know, the interesting thing that is back in the day, I wasn't an owner of music. That's the beautiful thing today. I'm able to own everything. No record labels or owning, no middlemen.

I literally own everything. And that is the most fulfilling part of this because now I have a legacy. and my catalog at some point is going to be applauded and praised and financed. So some big financier would be like, wait a minute, you know, hold on. This girl only had one album and she got a $3 million advance.

This guy's got 12,000 tracks. He's, you know, somebody's going to wake up. But I'm not counting on it. It's when it happens, it's going to happen. Everything in God's time. But I'm having great discussions right now with big names, big, big names. And I'm excited.

Oh, the other thing I'm excited about Justin is because of my leverage and producing music, I'm able to help other artists. So the artists that, there's a lot of artists out there that unfortunately, they were singers and they're very well known, but they didn't own the music. Yeah. And so I'm able now to go in and help an artist

that maybe had popularity, but never owned the music, they're forced to travel. They're forced to do stage shows. Now I can flip the script for them. Now they can make money through these streaming services, Spotify, YouTube, da-da-da. They don't know how to do it because, you know, all they know is a certain thing. Their state of mind is get on stage, perform. I get a check and I go home.

That shit is going to die at some point because you're getting older, you know, or your health is going to wear at some point. So I keep pushing click and order over brick and mortar. And I try to teach that to my older artists or my artists that are my age. And now they're coming aboard. So I literally have three major, major names that I'm signing, that I've signed or I'm signing paperwork with. And you'll hear some things soon.

You'll hear some things soon. That's all. Well, that's awesome. And, you know, here's a thing. I appreciate you. You know, we're friends now through this whole thing. and I'm always honored when you're willing to share your story with me and with my own. We got to turn your books into a musical, man.

Well, that's a different, that's a different discussion. But yes, I don't, I do need to do more with my books. So speaking of for both me, myself and for Do It, you can look up with Relentless Aaron on Amazon. He's self-published as he's got a lot of books. They've done really well. Great reviews. And then my books as well, you can get on Amazon or through my website, which is Justin the nick of crime.com.

But other than that, man, I so appreciate you. I really do. I love the way that you're open with us. I love that you feel like this is a safe spot, and I'm so appreciative that you're comfortable sharing your story with with us. Thank you. Yeah, and again, I'm sorry, just relentless

Aaron everywhere. So it's relentless and Aaron with two A's. So I'm on social, I'm on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, everything, YouTube. YouTube, I have the channel Relentless. It's YouTube. dot com for slash relentless so i'm everywhere and this is this is what i do so if i connect with you in some way shape or form please come on home if anything you could at least enjoy the music um but you know

i yeah i have books and stuff but but the end of the day um you know i i strive to find my people too i strive to find my audience too we all want a core audience that believes in us that supports us yeah man thank you dustin i appreciate you man Yeah, and for everybody else, until next time, this has been Unheard, True Crime in Their Own Words. Thanks, everyone. Unheard. It's heard now. The views and opinions expressed in this episode are solely those of the individual speaking and do not necessarily reflect those of the host. Unheard is intended to provide a platform for personal stories and lived experiences, not to establish facts, determine guilt, innocence, or provide legal, medical, or professional advice. Listeners are encouraged to conduct their own research and form their own.

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