Unheard: True Crime in Their Own Words - George Floyd’s Uncle on Justice, Rage, and What Changed America

Episode Date: May 25, 2026

On May 25, 2020, the world watched as George Floyd’s final moments sparked one of the largest social justice movements in modern history. Six years later, on the anniversary of his death, Unheard sits down with the man who has spent years carrying both the grief and the responsibility of keeping George’s name alive: his uncle, Selwyn Jones.In this deeply personal and emotional conversation, Selwyn speaks openly about the pain of losing George, the weight of becoming a public voice for his family, and the reality of fighting for justice in America long after the headlines fade away.But this episode goes far beyond one case.Selwyn and Justin Shepherd discuss systemic racism, police brutality, sentencing disparities, and the larger history that connects George Floyd to generations of injustice stretching back through the civil rights era and the murder of Emmett Till. Selwyn reflects on the courage of Mamie Till, the outrage that followed George Floyd’s death, and why accountability still remains elusive for so many families.The conversation also explores the emotional toll of activism, the failures within the justice system, the importance of speaking out, and why silence only allows injustice to continue. Throughout the episode, Selwyn shares raw personal reflections, difficult truths, and a message centered on courage, awareness, and action.This is not a political debate.It is a conversation about humanity, loss, accountability, and what happens when ordinary people decide they can no longer stay quiet.Follow and subscribe to Unheard: True Crime In Their Own Words on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, and wherever you listen to podcasts.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Today's guest is a man who has turned tragedy into a mission for change. Selwyn Jones, the uncle of George Floyd, watched the world react to one of the most defining moments of our generation. But instead of letting that grief destroy him, he decided to fight. He co-founded Justice 929, named for the 9 minutes and 29 seconds that took his nephew's life, and he's dedicated every day since to justice, compassion, and accountability. From the halls of Congress to small-town community centers, Uncle Selwyn has used his voice to speak for those who no longer can. This is Uncle Selwyn Jones.

Thanks for joining me today. What's up, man. What's up? I love that radio voice, man. Thank you. I love it. Thank you. Maybe I, maybe I have the perfect face for radio.

So. I mean, you got the radio voice. It's just simple. You know what I'm saying? Thank you. Thank you. Just get down and get busy, man. What's going on with you?

Let's let's put the hammer on the nail, man. Yeah, let's, let's do it. So I, first of all, I appreciate you coming on. And let's go ahead and get the elephant in the room for some of the listeners out of the way right now. people have strong feelings about George Floyd one way or the other. If you want to know my personal opinion, what happened to him was an absolute travesty. You can say what you want, and Uncle someone's going to talk about this. You can say what you want about addiction.

You can say what you want about past records. What happened to him should not have caught, he should have not lost his life for those things. That's not a reason. And unfortunately right now, conversations like this are incredibly important. and if it makes you uncomfortable, then I'm encouraging you to stay and listen because you should be uncomfortable. It's a good thing to have that happen every once in a while.

And Uncle Selwyn, I've talked to him before. We talked to him a little bit before we started recording. He's an incredible man. And I think you're going to really take value in what he says and what he's doing. I'm turning over to you. Hey, as Justin said, a lot of people had a different idea and a different thought of my nephew. Everybody has gone through trials and tribulations in life.

Everybody has done something that you'd probably want to stick your head in the sand for. But how many people have been put in that situation where you were on an island all by yourself and there was no way for you to get off? Get off. Well, that's what my nephew was put in. A counterfeit $20 bill or being proclaimed high does not have a death sentence. attached to it. It really doesn't.

What we saw is things that have been happening over and over and over for hundreds of years to black and brown people. The only difference between that day and all these other atrocities that have happened, camera, social media. Darnella Frazier is my hero because Darnella Frazier not only videoed this, she changed the face of how policing and accounting. accountability has been made since that day. She basically was the reason that the whole world stood up and hollered my nephew's name

because a young 16-year-old young lady that never walked her family member down to that store took that opportunity to do that in that particular day. In that particular day, it's changed the whole environment in which we live. Whether good, bad, or other. but all I know is this is people have to be made accountable now and Justin that's what we're talking about man that is one of the biggest discussions that we will always have let's have accountability for people that do vicious and malicious things man I agree and you know it kind of the thing about social media and this this struggle is you know when you're talking about

that in the filming it kind of makes me bad takes me back to think about like Emmett Till and what Mamie Till decided to do with saying like, look, this is what happened to my baby boy. We're going to put this on the front page. We're doing an open, like the amount of bravery that that took to be able to do something like that, you know, it's it's beyond. So the fact that somebody took the ability to do what they did for George Waldis was going down, it's essentially the same type of aspect just in a different medium. I've talked to Magnolia, which is Mamie Teal's first cook. And that took courage that most people would never have.

She saw the dissension in the races. She lived it being in the 50s. And that was her way of making a statement 70 years ago. And I think when you look at 1950, we're sitting here, and I want for people to listen to this and think about what you just said, the amount of courage that it took because we're sitting here in 2025 and it would take courage now.

But to be a black American in 195 to make that decision, there was a lot of backlash on that, I'm sure, beyond a lot. There was a lot of backlash, there was a lot of ridicule, but she had that heart and that mindset. This is what was done to my boy

and the lady is still living. did you hear that they found a warrant that she did that oh let me give you some news i covered that oh i covered that story quickly i actually was was getting my getting my followers to call um the mrsissippi courthouse to call the attorney general in charge them because so here's what happened um yeah so for people who are listening whenever if you don't know the emmett till story um i can possibly do another episode on that if i can get somebody you know you and other cousin but somebody from the family we can get them to come on

or I can just do it in a separate post. But it's a story that I didn't learn as a white person until my 30s. It's one that we are not taught, but I would say it's one of the most defining moments of the civil rights movement. And it's something that I think that we're purposely not taught.

It's not okay. So basically what happens as Emmett Till was a 14-year-old boy and a woman by the name of Carolyn Bryant-Donham. I guess she was bored. He came into their store. He was visiting Money Mississippi from his home in Chicago.

And she claims, that he whistled at her. And, okay. Emmett Till stuttered. Emmett Till whistled as a kid in Chicago. So the problem that we have is Mamie did not instruct him if he did whistle that you can't do that down south because he was a city boy. He went to visit. He don't know that.

Yeah, he went to visit. his grandparents down in Mississippi and he'd never been down south before ever so and he whistled and he stuttered and that is where the disparity came in at and either way it went continue please well she eventually admitted or said that she lied or she played a small part in this story she never really

owned up to it but um so what happened was is the ultimately I mean this is a long story but And he deserves so much more than the summary I'm giving it. But basically what happens is Carolyn Brian Donham's husband, I'm blanking on his name right now. Was it John or Joe? I don't remember the name.

It doesn't matter. He's not important. But he and his brother-in-law got together, forced Emmett out of that house. And you can sit here and say, I would never let that happen. This is 1950s Jim Crow, Mississippi. be, they didn't have a choice, right? So he goes out, they ultimately, they beat him, they torture

him, they shoot him, they tie a fan around his neck and throw him in the river. And if you, if you have the stomach to Google the photos that were on the front page, this child, he was a baby. He was 14, was unrecognizable. These guys get a jury of their peers. If you're listening, you can't see me doing air quotes, but jury of their peers, which is a bunch of white dudes, who acquit them within a couple hours. They all go out partying. They all go out drinking. They all go out drinking.

Yeah. They are going out, yeah, they are going to party and they're quitted quickly. And then recently, like within the last three-ish, four-ish years, they find, like the Emmett Till Foundation, finds a warrant that was for Carolyn Bryant and Donham, the woman that did this. That was never served because the sheriff, quote, she was a mom and I didn't want to disturb her. So they're like serve the warrant.

I'm on here on social media saying serve this warrant because even she's sick, we know that she's sick. She's in Kentucky. Kentucky's like, hey, we'll go get her. We're ready to, we were waiting on your word, Mrs. if we will extradize her back to you guys. Even though we know she would have never stood trial, the symbolism of just booking her would have been huge, but they didn't.

And here's the part that I'm going to tell you and I'm going to get to your action live on camera, she has died of cancer. Okay, it was a couple years ago. My goal was hopefully to find out where she was buried, but she was smarter than that, I guess, and got herself cremated. Do you want to know where she had her ashes spread? You ready for this? I shit you not. On a plantation in Money, Mississippi. Wow. On an old plantation in Money, Mississippi. She lived as a hatred, and she died as a hatred. And wanted her remains to be put there. I know that she is looking up at us right now.

So she, Mrs. So my part is that, like, I was encouraging, like, call Mississippi, call the DA's office, call the Attorney General, you know, have them do this. This was an opportunity for Mississippi to do this, to do something correctly. because even in 2025, and I know you know this, that Emmett Till, I don't know if this is going to come out in 25 or 26, but regardless, Emmett Till Memorial, they had to finally make it bulletproof because it keeps getting stolen and vandalized

and shot this many years later. So that is the condensed, abbreviated version of that story. Let's go like this. How many people have been found, hung, Lynch, and Mississippi in the last month? Thank you about this. Dexter Wade Jr.

Remember him? Remember that name? Mm-hmm. Remember him where the police hit him and he took him behind the police station or the prison or wherever it was? And they buried it? Was it?

Yeah. It was when? That wasn't last month, was it? No, it was last year. It was last year. That seems like it wasn't last month. Yep. But anyhow, there was, his gravestone,

his gravestone was 609. think about that there've been over 800 missing people in Mississippi, Jackson, Mississippi from 2000 to 2024 and they didn't care they said that the family

went up there all the time trying to say hey can you help me can you help me when they exhumed him his ID was in his front pocket wow his ID was in his front pocket and they're trying to get the trial ready to deliberate on

because obviously the state owes somebody something, the state owes a lot of people something, man. And there's been, I don't know, 30 bodies found that people have identified from that open grave. So, yeah, man, what gets me is chaos and atrocities. are continuously happening. And what are we doing about them? When I don't do anything about it?

If you don't discuss, if you don't figure out, it's never going to stop. And it's a sad time. It is a very sad time. Let me, one more question, one more thing. Got to ask this one. Yeah. How can somebody get murdered over a potential,

counterfeit $20 bill? and somebody could go into a schoolhouse and shoot up a plethora of kids and they get put in handcuffs and they get potentially they can use the terminology of mental or temporary insanity.

How does that happen? Well, with most mass shooters, they don't come out alive, but the ones that do, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I do know. Dylan Ruth is here. Do what?

Dylan Ruth is still alive. Yeah, Dylan. You know, do you want to know something about that? What? We're going to go completely off and left field here for a moment. Let's go. Sorry, I got the glove on. I got the glove.

Okay. So there is, this is very disturbing. So there's a judge, Judge James B. Gossanel Jr. in South Carolina. He's the one that, you know who it is? Yeah. Okay.

So people who don't know. The pinot. The pinot. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's the part that, yeah, that was going to tell you. But he, James Gossnell, um, presided over Dylan Roof very early. I think it was the bail or bond hearing something.

And he sat there with the Charleston victims and told them what Dylan Roof's family in there. Well, let's not forget that Dylan Roof's families are victims. This is a guy who also had gotten reprimand, I think back in 03 for using the N-word. Yep. And never, it was on the bench. And now he is, he is, when I. talk about crimes against children, which I have, unfortunately, there's a plethora of those cases. This judge has been arrested for crimes against children. And I'm not going to go into the details

of this because a lot of people don't want to hear that. That's not what this is about. But I will say that he's admitted, aside from all of the footage at CSAM, which is child sexual abuse material, CSAM, he's admitted to at least abusing a three-month-old and a five-month-old. So that will leave it there for that. But that's the same judge that sat there and told Dylan Roof. And again, Dylan Ruf is the one who went into the church in Charleston, all-black congregation.

I forget how many people died in that. It was a lot. It was like 19. 12, okay. Well, okay. And they were praying. They were going to feed him supper. And when they dropped their heads to pray for the meal,

he lit them up. He's a monster. Yep. So, but the point is, this is, this is kind of what we're dealing with in this. And the fact Judge Gossnell sided with the victims, or sorry, sided with the perpetrator's family. And, you know, clearly, you're not, if you're openly, if you're a judge and you're openly using the N-word, I mean, that's not even you hiding your racism at that point. That's you right out in the- How can you be a judge? How can you make a decision on somebody that,

is not your race. Think about this. A young man in Tyson, what's his name? Frank Tyson in Chicago. Remember him? He got, no, not in Chicago and Cleveland.

Refresh me. Had a fielded by the police two years ago. Okay. No, bar. Anyhow. Well, okay, I think I remember. I asked me this question. One of the police officers that killed him

had a shoplifting a case going on because he used to work at Target and he got fired from Target and he got fired from Target for shoplifting how is this guy supposed to be an officer of the court?

Tell me this. Great question. Grayson that shot Sonia Massey, six different police stations, two and a half years, two DUIs. How was he supposed to be working as a peacekeeper.

Derek Chauvin, 18 write-ups in 10 years. How are they supposed to be officers of the law if you commit crimes that frequently? Tell me that. I can't tell you that. It's a good question.

But we know what we've learned from the Petito family, because I know you know them, and I know them, is that what they learned after Gabby, and this is not here to rip on the police. It's not all police are bad, but none of them are all bad,

but the, But there are a bad one, but there are bad one. That one percent that are bad are the ones that we talk about and discuss. The ones that don't make conscious decisions for other people's lives, other people's well-being, are the ones that we talk about. Well, you're nicer than me at 1% because, you know, what I've learned from just domestic violence alone, you show that 45% or 46% of them are, and I learned that stat from Gabby's family. Well, you know what? And that is true. 45% of the people in the armed services, police officers, firemen, are all domestic abusers.

A plethora of them, a plethora of them. And that's sad. Yeah, it's incredibly sad. So let's talk about George, your nephew, for a minute. Before we get into what happened, I like people to know more than a headline. whatever you're comfortable sharing and I didn't I didn't prep you on this one so sorry I know you I know you don't care I know you don't care

who was he to you what was he like he was a fool when you grow up poor there's several things that you specialize in and one of those things are laughter if you talk to me in two minutes I'm going to have you laughing

because laughing didn't cost anything you got a big head. Look at our noses. We got all big noses. Your nose is bigger than an elephant's trunk. You know? So all of those things, we were alive for parties through laughter. You know, we're the big, we're two of the biggest people in our family.

And you put us together, and it was a laugh fist. If George worn around me, if he was around anybody else, he wanted to make people smile. When you are put in a state of depression, when you are in a marginalized situation, you have to have a release. And unfortunately, a lot of times, it is alcohol and drugs.

But during those somber times, laughter is always a big instrument to people. And that's what he was. He was a big knucklehead. He was a jokester. He liked to be the life of the party by making people laugh by doing funny things. He was a real human being.

And I would tell you somebody, Out of a lot of people that I've met in my life, I wouldn't have traded him. You know, because most people are dry. Most people live in their own little fantasy world. Well, you knew where George was. George was a sad son. He was a sad human being.

He was the best dad that he could. He had lied to himself. A lot of people out of themselves. hey, I'm going to play professional football or I'm going to take care of my mama or I'm going to do this or do that. You could lie to everybody else. You can't lie to yourself.

And whenever my sister died in 2018, all those things that he promised that he was going to do for her and to help her and put her in a better situation in life, time goes by. Sadness sinks in.

So I'm not making no excuse because of some of the things he did because they were silly. They were dumb. But he was just trying to live. And when you are fighting in any kind of marginalized situation, day by day is the only way you can go.

Every day you wake up with a blessing, every day you wake up as a fight, it's a struggle. He left Houston to go to Minneapolis to get that better chance and that better start to help his mother. Unfortunately, my sister, passed away two years and two days before him.

And when that happened, it was a spiral effect. A lot of people that he hung around with that he didn't hang around with, you know, all of a sudden, I started showing up. I went down to Minneapolis. I lived four and a half hours away. And in 10 and a half months,

I made 26, 27 trips down there. I could listen in his voice. And he was hurt, especially after his mom would die. You know, hey, look, what's doing? man, what's going on with you, what you're doing? Not, man, I'm just chilling. Okay, I'll see you in four and a half hours.

Because I wanted to make sure he was okay. I wanted to take care of him. Having mental health issues, that's live. That is real. A lot of people suffer from depression, especially if you're not completing those tasks that you feel like your life is meant to be in.

You know? And a lot of people aren't strong enough to fight that battle. And you know that and I know that. You know, that's the hardest battle you'll ever have to fight. It's to look in the mirror and say, I can do this. I'm not going to let anything defeat me. That's hard. And that day on the 26th was a combination of all those things.

and the Lord saw, the Lord knew that my nephew had a good heart and a good soul, no matter what people hear about him. He had a good heart and a good soul. And that day on May the 26th at 826 and 15 seconds, the Lord made an example for us, for all of us, to see what racism, what hatred, what power and control,

what police brutality looked like, what systemic racism looked like, and what we've been living under as black people, and of all people, certain situations, you don't matter.

You're just a number. You're just another dead blank. And that's what happened. And I always profess to people he's a good dude. And don't matter what you say about him, I know what he was. I know what he was.

He had a good heart and a good soul. He just had a mental health issue that he couldn't fight. Well, a lot of people have that same mental health issue, whether it's drugs, whether it's alcohol, whether it's love, whether it's money. Everybody's obsessed with something. And that's the sad thing about this world. But unfortunately, his was on a different level.

and I just honestly believe Justin that he had to die that day for the world to get an opportunity to have clarity on how things are and 7 billion people came to our aid for five days until Derek Chauvin got arrested the world was in an uproar

am I saying that protests are what we need? Absolutely not but we needed something and it's sad that we know as people of color we got to make the loudest noise we have to do something to get people's attention do i condone burning and looting absolutely not why would you want to destroy something that you worked your whole life to have or somebody else worked their whole life to have absolutely not but watch uh rodney king Martin Luther King, all of these situations happen and we have to make noise

in some kind of shape type of way to get people's attention and that's sad that you have to create chaos to get attention when people know that there's wrongdoing being done Justin and that's what we live with. That's literally what

we live with. It's being an African American or being a black man in America. The great Jane Elliot. I did a podcast with her probably three weeks ago and I asked one of the questions I asked her, Miss Jane, tell me why

you started this fight? And she's like Uncle Cell when I woke up one day and something happened when she was a kid and they sided with her over the little black girl and she's like

and I know I was wrong and they blamed her instead of me. and every since that day I knew that I had to fight for people that didn't look like me because nobody else would fight for them. So, you know, man, this is a fight.

I appreciate people like yourself that take the opportunity and time to want to do this because I'm sure that you lost plenty of friends by some of your content or some of your opinions. But yet you keep fighting for the better, of all. This ain't a black thing

or a white thing. You know, this ain't an Asian thing or a Spanish thing. This is a human thing. We all come here, Justin, with what? Just a little short period of time. A blip. Why not make this world a better place before we leave than when we came in? Because

we've been fighting like hell ever since, my brother. You know, it's funny that you kind of struck a chord with that because I actually got one of my closest friends when I started making the content I was making just stopped. And I know why. I know why.

And there's nothing I can do about that. That's his decision and that's his battle that he needs to go through. And I can't help him with that. But I'll be here if he ever wants to come back. But I think I just don't understand living your life with so much hatred towards somebody for no other reason than they. And your color of your skin. Yeah, because they look different. Color of your skin.

Color of your skin because you're black. Because you're brown. think about that think about that Justin people don't like me because I'm a black guy with freckles I don't that tell you a lot right there so I've got to decide you can pick from

you get some redhead in you what that means huh means you got some redhead in you yeah kidding yeah my grandmother think about that just trying to rocket scientist thing man this is not a rocket scientist thing a black guy with freckles

but yet people see both sides and they go like I don't like either one of them because he doesn't look like me. And I honestly say to myself, it's your loss because I'm a wonderful human being. I'm like every other than who are doing me.

I haven't flawed. I have been flawed. I did stupid crap in my life. Guess what? You learn from your mistakes. One of my biggest mantras, Justin, is dream, breathe, and deliver. A dream is you reward your,

a dream is something, you reward your chef. We've black people have been dreaming our whole life. You know, we've been breathing, open to some of this chaos will stop. Now it's time for those to join with wonderful people like yourself and the patinos and anybody else to have an open mind that we're all the same. And let me tell you, I admire what the Patino families are doing. because how many times

if we had situations like that happened and everybody it was just hushed hush so the Patino family and Uncle Selwyn have had the two biggest cases ever

that have been that have been donned for people to see and we are fighting for justice for all I don't care I don't care what kind I don't care what color you are

if I see somebody harming an Asian person If I say somebody harming a white person, I'm going to be just as affected if somebody's harming one of mine. And that's how it should be. And that's how it should be, my brother. I've created an app called myth app that's a protection app that has a panic button on it. That you can know that. Yeah, I will, I'll, I told you I had a surprise for you.

But that was, you know, have a panic button on it. If you can push panic and it will go to your emergency contacts, they're able to visually see, you and hear you. Download this right now. Well, you can't download it right now. It's in the Apple game. We got it. We got it completed yesterday.

Well, damn it, Uncle, Ellen. Yeah, that's how she looks. When will it be available? It'll be available here, hopefully by December,

but it's called myth. We have a range finder on it. You can post it. I'll, I'll promote it for you. I got you. I got you. And the reason why this was created,

man, because traffic stops. Okay. How many things go awry on a traffic stop? Police officers. Well, let me search a car. Because I allegedly smell something. Yeah, whatever, man.

Well, there's so many atrocities that happen with that video. There's so many positives and there's so many negatives. So what me and a partner in mine come up with, hey, let's create Life 360 on steroids. And that's basically what we did. We put the panic button. It goes through your emergency contacts. You're able to visually see them and hear them. we have lifetime GPS, so it would go directed to you.

Prime example. Remember Giovanni? Remember Giovanni, South Carolina? He texted Mama from Florida and says, I'm scared. We would have been able, if my app was live, we would have been able to see, hear him, and go to that physical location with that phone pinged out. So this was designed to create a better community

to have protection, a creeper's in the park you push your panic button your mom and dad can see where you're at most parents pay for their kids cell phone bills so it's just my thought of being able to protect this world from all of these atrocities

that happened great idea you know hey man we'll see like I said I'm gonna hit the ground running here in November and I'll definitely let you know but the point out the reason why I do these things man is because I'm tired of people being scared

to go through a normal day in life. I live in the middle of nowhere. 1,200 people. You know, six black people, four of them, four or five of them I brought to town. And that's, and that's the entire amount of black people

in your state, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, basically, basically. South Dakota and Oregon got the least amount of minorities. And what I'm telling you is this, Justin, I haven't been to a store in five and a half years. my wife's first cousin owns the store. I had somebody write F off

N-I-G-G-E-R on the side of a building next to one of my properties and it stayed there for six and a half months. Wow. And everybody rode by that because we had a road construction on the main road so you had to come by that road. And they left it up there

for six and a half months because of a Confederate flag that really didn't need to be north of the Mason-Dixon line and because of power and control issues. I've been coming around here for 20 years, and it went from good old boy Miles because you eat like us and drink like us

and ride like us and live like us to the dumbest NIGGR that ever pooped between two shoes. Why can you come to our town and tell us to do anything? Oh, Google it. I was an implant by the Democrats to destroy their town. yeah one one democrat's going to do it um let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me kind of I want to address a couple things that you said here and um and I appreciate you bringing this

awareness because I know this all obviously is born out of what happened with with George but I want to say two things number one is somebody who grew up in the South I'm going to go with the easy one first um with the Confederate flag so so people sit here and I'm probably going to piss people off with this one. People will sit here and be like, it's heritage, it's, it's heritage, not hate, whatever. If you are flying, when you, when you close your eyes and you picture a Confederate flag, you Google the Confederate flag, as you think, as you see it, that flag is a symbol of racism, no matter how you want to cut it, because the Confederate flag that you see, that you hear, the one that became popular, became popular in the 50s and 60s during Jim Crow South. It was made specifically

You heard me. You heard me. Keep hollering. Keep hollering, brother. Keep hollering. So specifically during Jim Crow South, and it was never a flag that was actually used during the Confederate. Or if it was, it was from very small division. It was made and used solely to protest the desegregation of schools.

And guess, I know my history. And guess who was standing behind that flag when they were protesting schools? What color? Let me ask you this. What color hats were they? wearing. They were wearing white hats. They were wearing white hats.

They were wearing white hats. They were Korean members, right? Mm-hmm. No, they're not. They're not. So what I'm telling you is they're pointing.

Every time you see, every time you see that flag dawned, that flag is mostly dawn for as a hate symbol. I grew up in the South. I've got people that got a Confederate flag vehicle.

They got the, the couch that flag. You know what? Guess what? I grew up with them. That's your deal. But if you have a Confederate flag in the Midwest,

the only time you see one, oh, I had a clan rally in my town because of the flag. Literally, they had a Ku Klux Klan rally in my town because of the flag and guess what, Justin? It didn't bother me, not one damn bit because I have a conviction for what I'm doing. I'm doing this out of love. I'm doing this out of respect.

I'm doing this out of change. and I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do for everybody to live equal, for everybody to have the freedoms of each, of anyone else. Think about this, Jay. You could work in a restaurant in the 1960s and then you had to go to the back to eat. How was that?

Now, you had different bathroom. They could pay him a fortune to perform, but he couldn't stay at the hotel. Or what was the woman's name? I cannot remember her name from Gone with the Wind who was the first black woman to win and a cat who war but she couldn't go in. I'm blanking on her name.

I'm going to look it up. Was her name Mamie too? How? Was her name Mamie also? Or am I thinking of Mamie Till? No. I don't know. She wasn't gone with the wind. Yeah.

I know. They are a little servant. It is. People are like screaming at. Hey, Haddie McDaniel. I can't believe I forgot that. Haddie McDaniel. and they made her, she couldn't even be in the things,

I mean, I had to bring it to her. So, I mean, yeah, it's, it's, yeah, I know, it's horrible. And the other thing I want to say, say to people, if you already have these conversations, great, but if you don't,

if you, if anybody, if you have friends, if you're, somebody who lacks melanin like myself, and you have friends who are black, and I'm not talking about, like, I'm not racist, I have one black friend.

No, I went to high school with a black, with a couple colored people. First of all, When in the hell do we get to be crayola crayons? Colored. Anyhow, go ahead. You start calling colors, then that is racist. But you can, I guess.

But yeah, you just gave yourself away if you're white and doing that. But anyway, so talk to them, ask them, because you're talking about traffic stops earlier, which is why you're doing this app, you know, George Floyd's situation, your nephew's situation is another example of this. You know, I didn't learn about Emmett Till's story until I was in my 30s. but you ask every black person that you know, and they'll know exactly who you're talking about. And what I've been told,

because if you're okay having those uncomfortable conversations because you're trying to educate yourself, let me tell you something. Your friends, they will help educate you if you want to actually learn. They don't have a problem with that because it helps everybody. And what I learned was that

Emmett Till is not taught to black people as children by their families because of the history of the civil rights is because it can that their families still fear that it can happen today and they need to be aware of that story. Every day all day. Am I wrong with that? People are

living in that fear that these things can happen to them. Think about that 70 years ago. But yet these things were happening every day to people. I by far have got to be the craziest person that I know of, Justin. Think about it. Everybody has

had this job that I'm taking on. had a bad day. Yeah, they have. Malcolm. Guess what, man? It don't even, it's, I'm so tired. I'm so sick of the same atrocities happening because somebody feels like they're better than the other person.

So, you know, man, I reckon it's one of those statements. I'll die on my knees. I mean, you can die on your knees, you can die standing. And I'm going to leave this world professing equality. and justice for all, man. You know, uh, I appreciate people that don't look like us to have our back.

But reality, we should have each other's back. Yeah. I agree. So if, but unfortunately it should have just started, it should have always been this way. I agree.

So let, let's go back to talk about George for a second. Let's hit a couple things. Let's go ahead and hit the two things head on. Okay. That people want to talk about with George. And then we're going to get. into what happened that day a little bit.

The two people like to think, and you've already admitted one of them, we'll talk about it, that he was a drug addict, that he was high that day. Let's start with that one. Was he actually high that day? I have the slightest idea. What he was, I know that I have the autopsy report. And the autopsy report says that he had a minuscule amount of narcotics in his system, one being fentanyl.

and I always back this up if George was not abducted and kidnapped by four people in the middle of the street would he have been able to get up and walk away? Well, he was sitting beside the wall for 15 minutes and he seemed like he was just fine. He was irritated and agitated.

So he would have walked away that day. So it doesn't, and I hear this story all the time. I had to do the other day. get on the phone and he was a nuclear geneticist and he was telling me that equal amounts and disamounted the body can handle and all this other crap and i was like yeah but can i ask you this question if you have a 210 pound man with his knee or your carotid artery and him rolling to get a better grip and you could all say this you could see him putting his hands on his thigh trying to get more

pressure on his neck. That was intentional. That was something that this dude had a payback that he wanted to give my nephew that day. He gave it to him. Think about this. I always tell people, if their Chauvin thought or knew that he would be arrested

that particular day from what he was doing, do you think he would have done it, Justin? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. So it's bigger than him. It's the system that was created for people to look like you to say the heinous things, to do the heinous things, to treat people a different way. And it's normal.

People normalize treatment of people like that. Because, and for all intents purposes, they've done Nella Frazier would not have been videotaping that. He would have been just another dead black guy. and that's what that's what I hate you know did he have problems in life? Yeah, a lot of people have problems in life

nobody's perfect but nobody should be suffocated in the middle of the street for a $19 and a hundred pennies Justin $19 and $100 pennies think about it changed the whole stope

of the world and I would venture a guess Like, you know, I don't like to make assumptions, but I would venture a guess that most people wouldn't know if they had a counterfeit 20. Hell no. So he was probably just trying to pay. He didn't know it was counter.

I'm guessing he didn't know. Like, he probably wasn't. And at 20, you know, wouldn't that be, I don't know if that's a felony or a misdemeanor anyways, but, you know, a misdemeanor. Okay.

I literally think that he got it from the young man that was in the car with him because he was a POS. He was a POS. He moved down from Houston with George, and he was a POS. And I'm sure that that's where he got the money from to go and buy some cigarettes. And it's crazy because my nephew went from laughing and dancing in the store trying to kiss a girl to beg and crying and dying in a matter of 15 minutes. Think about that. When you first see that video, him in the store trying to kiss the girl, that's what we do.

you. We're laughing and joking, hey, pretty girl, how are you doing? Hey, mama, you could be, you know, like Charles Barkley, you could be one of them girls in San Antonio. And we're going to say, hey, pretty girl, how are you? Because that's what we do. We want to lift people up. I want to make you smile. Because if I can see you smile, guess what? I broke down all the barriers that I need to have broken down. Yeah. Or even. And I've relived it over and over and over again.

I see it over and over and over again. And what I see is somebody that violated somebody in the worst possible way because of power and control and hate for a color of one skin. That's what I saw. They used to work together. That's never been brought up. You know? Derek and George?

Yeah, they worked together at the Congo Club. for three years. Did not know that at all. Three years, yeah. They worked together. Derek Charvin worked outside the club and security, and George worked inside the club for security.

Huh. So I'm telling you is you put two and two together, my man. That's all I'll put two and two together. And you know that, you know your friend we were talking about earlier? Mm-hmm. Yeah. That was a God.

My nephew was a God, too. My nephew was six foot seven. 60 pounds and then my per muscle. I'm saying, we don't leave that off. He's going to be like, he's going to,

yeah, okay, it's fine. We're going to leave that alone. All I'm just telling you is, people like gods. Why have you and girlfriends like gods? You know?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why think girlfriends like God? And when a person sees somebody over a matter of time and they have an opportunity to pay back,

that's what I'm looking at. That's what I see. That's what I saw from the first day that I seen the look in his eyes. Have you ever seen Lynch in photos? I'm sure you have. Have you seen that demented look? Have you seen that demented look

that have in their eyes? Have you seen somebody that's hunting big game? And right after day, right after they take that game, the adrenaline's going, look in their eyes. I got it. See the look in Derek, I got him.

See that? I had no thing about go back and look I got it so the thing that that really struggled that I struggle with with it I mean obviously we know why we know what happened

right but you know he George isn't resisting arrest he's not fighting he's complying he's cuffed he's on the ground there was no reason for him

you know for Chauvin to do what he did and then you have this man. He's, like you said, he's crying out. He, you know, to no fault of his own, ends up, you know, using the bathroom on himself because of all of this. There's no, at that point in time, that's when you're like, oh, hey, maybe I shouldn't have my knee on this dude's neck. You know, but the thing is about Chauvin, what people may or may not know, this is not the first time he did that. 18 ride up. 18 riders. How many of those were for this

exact thing? Not for killing somebody. Probably eight. Yeah, there were more. He shot a guy. He shot a guy. He robbed a guy. He's had three beatings, four beatings that he gave it, gave it up. So Derek Chauvin, for all intents purposes, was a bad police officer. And this is one of the things that, that bother me. You know, if you're working with somebody, you know where they're capable of.

You know where a ticking time bomb is. And a lot of these people that commit these crimes are ticking time bomb. and there has seen signs. Derek Charvin, Grayson, those guys in Memphis, Ahmad Aubrey's killers, there has been signs of aggression that they are going to snap.

So, you know, what you do sometimes and what you do all the time. And this is one of my biggest problems. You're sitting in a work environment with these cats and you hear them talk aggressive. That's for that good old boy stage needs to go. Hey, man, this dude's a ticking time bomb.

Because don't you know it's making it bad on each and every person of that precinct? And I don't want this. I hate to say this. But the way the world is going now, we're going to have a lot other violence put towards. There's been a lot of other violence. Yeah, there is. Because think about this.

A lot of people would prefer not to call the police now and deal with it on their own because what happens when the police show up in certain communities? It's a 50-50-maski. Yep, yep. It's a 50-50 split of what happens, whether you got a good one or a bad one or how they're feeling today. So a lot of people would prefer to deal with it on their own. And that's sad because that's not the way it's supposed to be.

They're supposed to protect and serve, not to serve their own agenda. prime example to me and we talked about this yesterday those police officers that came in contact with Gabby they all should be thrown under the jail the city of wherever they were the state of low Avenue Utah

yeah they should they should owe them so much because they were wrong they dropped the box on that young lady's life. Derek Chauvin, he didn't drop the ball. He dropped the knee on my nephew.

That was intentional. Those cats in Utah that basically dropped the ball on Gabby's life, they were looking at it from a man's point of Utah control thing. Who in the hell have you ever heard separated the man? the woman and put the man in luxury motel room and had the woman sipping to me. Yeah, that was, you know, that bothered me to it. And I learned that the reason for that was because when Gabby admitted that she had like, I guess, scratched him or hit him back or whatever, you know, reactive abuse,

which they should have recognized, that she was admitting to being the aggressor at that point. So that's why they had to put him in the hotel. But, but, hold on, hold on. Look, I know that Gabby wasn't the aggressor. I'm well aware that this little like 105, 110 pound girl wasn't the aggressor, okay? But what you also was very frustrating about Gabby's case too is that there were at least two calls

of people admitting that they saw him smacking her. And instead of, you know, and they don't make, they look at the lines like, oh, I don't have a phone. Then he's a few minutes later. I got a phone in his hand, right? Like they ignore all of this stuff. But it turns out that the main cop, one of those cops, I forget which one.

He himself was a domestic abuser. And that goes back to the earlier stat that we had in this episode, where we talked about the 45th. He himself was a domestic abuser. The only person that was on Gabby's side was the female, the woman, Park Ranger. That was it. But, you know, and I've talked to them many times about it before, that had they arrested Gabby that night,

even, you know, put him in the hotel, whatever, arrested her. that trip would have been over. Do you think, you've met them, do you think that they would have let that trip go on? Not a chance. They'd have been on the next plane out there. They'd have gotten her and said, you're done.

You're done with this. And they know that and they've said that. I can't remember if it was Joe or Nikki that said that I wish that she would have been arrested that day. We could have gone and got her. Think about that. Think about that. Yeah.

So, you know, man, I look at all of these things. And you can pick your poison. You can pick your poison. She's not here because a man thought, a white man thought that he was making the best decision for this young lady's life. Derek Chauvin thought that he was making the best decision

for my nephew's life. And there's a certain point where reality and humanity should come together. And if you're going to tell me that those officers did not see the violence that was occurring by the tone of his voice and all these situations, they got a call her crying. Her crying. They couldn't see that. They didn't want to see that

because they had that man doubt in their brain. hey, we're men, you know, let's protect him. That's sad. And the only way people understand these things is for us to communicate these things. I've got a young lady that's in Boston, Massachusetts. I'm actually afraid because I haven't talked to her in the last month that was married to a dude in the Navy.

And she's got a list of over 60 young ladies that were being brutalized by their husbands. which were sergeants or lieutenants or colonels, you know, just horrific. So how do we make this change? You know, a lot of people think,

so I had somebody tell me that. Chauvin was trained to do what he did to my nephew. He was trained. That was her excuse. He was trained. Are you trained to overkill? There's a certain point, when you have your hand behind your back,

you can't run. You can't defend yourself. So why the excessive voice? Yeah, or put him in the car. If you're that worried, put him in the car. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So, you know, man, it was a bad judgment call

by a lot of people, and at the end of the day, the bad judgment call gave us an opportunity to have these conversations. So like I said, I missed my nephew. God bless him. God bless your soul.

God bless everybody that's unfortunately been put in these positions. But what George Floyd did, what the Lord did is the Lord let George Floyd go out and have his life mean something. Doesn't mean anything about the mental health crisis. It doesn't mean anything about any of his past. What it meant was that nine minutes and 29 seconds. What's clarity. of how people of color

and how people in general get treated if you're at the wrong place or the wrong time by police brutality. You know, if we started getting into the disparities of the black community versus the white community, this would be like a 48-hour podcast. Yeah, this would be a two-week podcast.

Yeah, but, you know, I saw something today, you know, ironically, I guess, that was showing that they did an experiment. they took white, white candidates in this thing, like, you know, for job applications and black candidates for job applications. And they put them through and they gave for the intents and purposes of this project, the one of the white, I think it was four people. One of the white candidates, you know, and usually the place they did it. One of the white candidates had been given a felony record, you know, didn't really have felonies, but for the sake of the experiment. And a black guy had been given a felony record.

And so when they did the stats, as far as callbacks went, 47% of the white applicants without a criminal record received callbacks. And 17% of the white applicants with the criminal record received callbacks. The black people, 14% of them received callbacks when they didn't have the criminal record. So even if they were still equally qualified, because in this experiment, everybody was equally qualified. The white person with felonies with a criminal record still got called back at a higher rate. And then the black guy with the, I think it was less than 5% with the criminal records.

And this is not here to, like, whatever, this is supposed to be to educate the difference in the struggles because I hear a lot of people say, you know, here's what I said to Uncle Selwyn. And here's what I said, I had a conversation yesterday. I think I told you how I can't say it publicly, but I think I told you of it. I was speaking to yesterday. And I spoke to them and I said, look, you know, I will never, ever understand what it's like to be a black person in this country. I won't, you know, and I realize that there's privilege that comes with that. But what I can do as a white person is educate myself on this and try to make it.

So, hey, like, you know what? Learning that statistic that I learned today, like, that's not fair. Like, that's not okay. Let's speak up. Let's raise awareness. And I have a platform big enough to do that. So I'm going to encourage everybody who's listening to try to educate yourself a little bit more because when people say things which a lot of races like to do, like, oh, well, you know, they have equal rights. They got them in the 60s.

In the 60s, there are still people alive today, you know, who experienced that, who are the kids, the kids who first segregated schools are still alive today. Or desegregated schools, I should say. They're still alive. That was not that long ago. And just because you have equal rights on paper doesn't mean that you have equal rights. in actuality. Think about this. In 19th,

the midgear that I was born, they were people getting water hose and getting sick dogs on because all they wanted was the quality. They were people getting locked up because they wanted to go to a bathroom, not around the corner, not down the street. They wanted to go to a bathroom

that was readily available. Think about all these atrocities that we've gone through. And yet, we have fought our shelf out of a plethora of them, but the ones that were embedded into one's mind, heart, and soul that is taught generation after generation, we can't do anything about that.

We can't do anything without that. But what we can do is fight against the oppression and not take the things that we are given. Because honestly, we're giving hell. and yeah you know you can't nothing is in the rearview mirror but dust but you sure got to keep turning back and looking and seeing what's behind you so you know where you're going because uh we've got a long way to go we've always had a long way to go and we're going to continue to be resilient and continue to fight because i can't fight this is 325 24 shabbing every day all day

and until we have figured out a better way to do these things, I'm always going to fight. And as long as we have people behind, like you, behind us to help us spread our word and to help us continue to fight, I like our chances. Because remember this, from May to 26th to June the 1st, everybody in the world screamed a crazy dude. name that was my cousin, George Floyd, I can't breathe. They did that all around the world because of a black man that they saw get tortured.

So you know, man, I know we have a chance. I know it's a hard battle, but we've been fighting our ass off for three, four hundred years. And just unfortunately, some things never change. but we have to continue to push this narrative to see if we can't get people to say, hey, don't judge somebody by the color of the skin, judge them by the content of their mind, or judge them to come out of their heart

because reality is this, if you don't like me, they have a good chance, just, guess what? I ain't going to like you. And I don't mind telling you. I do not mind telling you, man, because I don't have time to waste. I have more yesterdays than I do tomorrow.

So I want to be, I want to be productive where all of my, I'm a, yes, I'm a tomorrow's, because yesterday I can't give back. And with George, obviously this is what kind of thrust you into knowing you needed to do more than you were already doing. I know you've been fighting forever, but even more. I want to know, did, so first, the people don't know this because we talked about this before off line. You for the most part found out that about George's passing what happened to him. You found that out watching TV

for the most part until your sister. 7.30 in the morning. I get up. It was doing COVID. And we got up to have our babies take a shower, get dressed, and we treated it like it was a normal day. And I walk in the living room. My mother-in-law is standing at the door. And my wife was looking and I remember. And I remember. remember making the remark, damn, did somebody lose their best friend today?

Everybody looks sad and blue. Because I wake up every day just full of vigor. I wake up because guess what? I did something that a million other people didn't get a chance to do. I woke up today, so guess what? It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. And I sit down to my chair

and my wife always tries to shelter me from things. You're a black man that owns a motel in South Dakota. Guess where? You ain't going to have too many black. patrons, you know, and whenever I saw the Armad Arbery, you know, I actually had to go work at the motel that day, and, you know, people were coming up there with

the big Trump flags on their vehicle. We ain't got no rooms. There ain't no cars in the park a lot. I don't give a damn. We am fool. You know? So, you know, my wife is like, you know, you can't do that. And I woke up, but I, all I did was wake up. And that person, as I said before, that looked like me, had a raspy voice that I just saw two weeks before that, 10 days before that. He texts me on my birthday, and my birthday is on the 22nd. And I was busy renovating a house.

May? Huh? Your birthday, May 22nd? Yep. Oh, my nephew's the 19th. Oh, my nephew's the 19th. George's his first cousin. Yeah, cool.

but he texted me, happy birthday, Unk, and I never responded back to him, you know, because I'm busy. And I opened my phone on the 25th,

and I saw that, and that broke my heart. And that told me that you have to tell people that you love and care about. You love them and care about them, and always take an opportunity to make their call.

and say, hey man, what's up? Because I've taken so many calls from him before and they were filled with frustration, you know? And, you know, and it's one of those things that, hey, man, I'll get to it. And that guy that I've seen from infant stays from me wiping his butt

was lying on the middle of the street and he was being treated worse than a animal. Keep in mind, I did not know that this was my nephew. I thought this was just another dead black guy. And brother, let me tell you, I sat back in my chair and I've seen every bad thing that's ever happened to me. Every bad thing I ever seen happen to anybody.

And I can't even describe to you the feeling that came over me. it was sadness and discontent and hate for me being a black man. And for me to go from being a black man, having a concerned black man, being a concerned man, to watch somebody scream, shout, beg, plead. And for that person that screaming, screaming, and shouting and begging to plead it to be one of mine. to look like me.

I just shit back, man. I just sit back and just... Because one thing that you knew that when you saw that video, you knew the black dude was going to die in that movie. You knew that he didn't have a snowball chance in hell of getting up walking away. So I watched him die

just like seven and a half being people watched him. The difference between that situation and any other situation is they knew it was wrong. Every media outlet played that thing over and over and over and over again. So it was shoved down your face that this is wrong. Think about this, Justin. How many interracial commercials have you seen before George Floyd?

I can't recall, but probably not a ton. Not many. Now they got a... a dude from Sudan with a girl from Ireland. And it's just so funny because all of those things changed by the death of my nephew. All of these things changed because of the death of my nephew. And, you know, is that a good thing or a bad thing? At one point, I thought they were shoving things down people's throats because it don't even look natural.

You know, die by three, uh, three. different nationalities in the commercial and you're just looking but you know that was that george florida thing so his life impacted how we look at things how we do things how things are police but yet we are still so far behind justin things are still happening at a rapid pace and a rapid rate so you know man it's frustrating but it's been frustrating over the last 59 years, man. Every day you wake up, you see some atrocity that happened. Now we have this ISIS situation.

Now we have the military patrolling cities. What in the hell are we going through? What times are we living in, man? Apparently, I learned today, apparently we might be getting a Qatari base in Idaho. Yeah. Military, we've never had a foreign base. on American soil ever.

It's, it's interesting times to say the least. And they're not getting any better, my brother. But Derek Chauvin, well, let me, before we get to that, what were things in those five,

six, it was five days between a, his, George's death and a rough? Okay. In those five days, what did that look like for you? Chaos.

Chaos. I, the day that I found out, I've been advocating since the 27th of May. I have literally been communicating and talking to people since the 22nd, 27th of May. I stood in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I've seen 10,000 people turned the corner, hollering George Floyd, with signs,

but saying, I can't breathe. And that made me think that we had a chance. South Dakota South Dakota Oregon has the less minorities we need people that look like you to come to our aid

and for five days you had all these people that didn't look like me that was screaming my nephew name you had old ladies had a sign in my necks 80 year old white lady would a sign at my necks

when do you go from being cute to being suspicious think about that when do you you go from being cute to being suspicious. So, you know, it still blows me away sometimes when I think that I didn't want to do this.

I didn't want to do this. I've spoken to Harvard and just plenty of places around the world. And I never wanted to do this. All I wanted to do was raise that little nine-year-old, like, watch him ride his go-card around the parking lot. That's all I wanted to do. And I went from watching him ride a go-cart. to wanting to make an impact in this world for him. And all I can tell you is,

my brother is we've got work to do. We've got to fight every day. We got to keep informing people every day because a lot of people just don't know. And that's a cruel fact that I had a young lady come out and visit me one time. She asked me, well, what do you want to be called? Negro a color

Oh Jesus And I was like What about Chelwin What about Selwyn? Now she lives in Missouri Her son Got murdered by police in Missouri And I asked her about Emmett Till

And she's like Is he one of the presidents Was he a president or something? I heard about him So some people Just don't know If like an older person Seven or 80 years old

well you shouldn't be a nice colored feller well wow when did i get to be one of the 64 crayola crayons so i i should i she's not going to listen to this we shouldn't call up my grandmother's 93 and we we we we have this discussion with her like grandma you can't say that it's not you can't stop she's i've never once heard that woman say the n word ever ever that's what color yeah it's just but she'll say colored and i'm like grandma but and i don't think she means like I don't think she realizes what she's doing. I don't mean any harm. That is just how they were programmed.

She's 93 and it's like how you can't change her. That's the issue. You know, and that's how they're wired. You know, I have a belief that everybody, my age, over 55, has got to expire so we can let the young cats like yourself take home. I'm not that. I mean, I'm closer to 55 and I'm not. So, you know, you know, hopefully not soon.

But so Chauvin gets arrested. Were you all as the family notified that they were going to do this or going to indict him? Yeah. Before they did. We knew this from the second day we knew. Because with all the chaos that we've seen erupting, that was the only thing they could do. But did Minneapolis reach out to before and say, hey, we're going to take this guy into custody? Or did you learn similarly like on TV when the...

I had lawyered up the day that I found out. so after the 27th we were all informed of what's going to happen you knew yeah we knew we knew it better that's what we knew

that's what I can say we knew it better had happened because if it wouldn't have happened the whole world would have been up in chaos if he would have got acquitted the whole world would have been in chaos so basically it was a situation where

they had to do what they didn't want to do. They had to make one of theirs a counter. They had to force their hand. They had to force their hand. They had to force their hand to make them accountable. But think about this. Lane got 12 months.

Crew got 16 months. Tao got 22 months. Now, when have you ever heard of a second degree manslaughter charge get 12 months think about that I don't know if I ever have

you never will and one of the things that one of the problems that were going in my brain I know that they did less of the crime but yet if I was an accessory to anybody's murder

they're complicit they're complicit they helped murder my nephew and why is 12 months or 18 months, 24 months, all the day we're giving. So that just shows how the system will have been flawed, and it will always be flawed, you know? How long did Shawton get? I can't remember.

27 years. 27 years. 207 years, but he's messing around with Elon Musk and Donald Trump. He'll be pardoned from federal. And when you're worth $180 billion, you can do just about anything you want. is but were his charges federal or were they state they were federal and state they so how long how long did he get on state they charge it for state and then they had fed charges he he's eligible he's eligible for parole in 2034 okay through the state

charges or through the federal uh through all charges okay um so he when when you go got obviously the first three that the sentences were light were you all fairly i mean i happy's not the right word but charles won't get it's first satisfied shalvin got sentenced first yeah was that was that was when you heard that sentence come down was that how did that make you feel like where where was your mind at i got a call one day and 1230 afternoon and says hey the jury is going to reconvene. We're giving a time for everybody to get here for the verdict is being read.

And I literally heard the verdict while I'm in a car pulling into the motel parker. A, I was satisfied that a killer would not go loose. But B, I'm thinking my first thought was damn. There are people that have been locked up in jail for marijuana, possession that got longer time that he got. If he wouldn't have been through Fed,

if they wouldn't have had federally charged him, he would have been eligible for parole than what? Six years. And people ask me all the time, are you satisfied? In a big point, yeah, but in a small point, no. The small point meaning, we all know that murder is murder. but he got sentenced.

He had to be made accountable. So he's going to jail. How many situations have people been put in that they never seen the inside of a jail? Yeah. Think about that. So we got some justice, the form of justice that we got was minuscule,

but guess what? We got it. Because guess what we don't get a chance to do. We don't ever get a chance to see him or dance, act like a fool, crack his jokes. We don't ever get a chance to see that anymore. But yet, Lang, Krug, and Tao, they've moved on with their life.

They're back with their families. They're back with their wives. They got jobs in Lordham Mercy. Don't let me hear that they got a job as a police officer or that really would be outraged. But hey, look at this much. You ever heard of the name Kim Porter? Yeah, of course.

Yep, she killed Dante Wright. Guess what? She's on the speaking to her. I think I'm thinking of a different Kim Porter then. I'm thinking of... No, he's not his wife. Kim Porter, the young lady that shot Dante Wright. Okay, then I don't know.

I do. She didn't pull the gun. She pulled the taser. I mean, she didn't pull the taser. She pulled the gun. And she's speaking. She's getting paid to speak about all these things now. Look at Kyle Rittenhouse.

Oh, my God. Should I have left that one alone? He's a member of the Ku Klux Klan. He was in a Klan rally down in Dallas, Texas. Back in June, how can you tell me that this young man should be free? Because one of the biggest problems

that a lot of people have, when you pull up the records of the young men, that he killed, everybody thought they were black. The black guy was the one he shot the arm off of. The other two people were Caucasian. They killed. A lot of people,

people were okay with those people being dead because he was fighting for just because they were fighting for justice and equality because they were fighting on the good side. So it was okay to have collateral

damage and those people getting killed and hurt. And for him to be free was absolutely an abomination. Think about it. You kill two people. I know. You killed. He went back to get the gun, so he wasn't that endangered.

Yeah. Talk about that. I know. I know. I'm aware. He killed two people because he was, uh, oh, uh, Jacob Blake got shot. Jacob Blake, uh, Jr. got shot. And that's what it was all about.

And you can go kill people and you be okay. And you never serve a dime. You never go to jail, not one second. Okay. Let me reverse that. let that have been a person to look like me. How many years would I've gotten? You wouldn't have gotten out.

And this is blatant racism. This is blatant hatredism. I mean, I'm a hatredism. I made a new word. Hatrism. That's just blatant hate. So when you have people that show you, you know, people show you how to feel about you,

how to treat you. That wasn't treating people of color really good at all. that wouldn't treat anybody that was out there fighting for equality and justice good at all

when I heard the verdict then I was in Washington D.C. That made my stomach hurt. That made your stomach hurt. So I'll ask you a question you don't have to answer this one,

okay, if you don't want to. Although I feel like you probably will. when uh when chauvin made news for getting near death in prison did that make you a little happy chickens came home to ruse i'm not i will never be happy with the death of any human being he didn't die i don't want to die i don't want to die i don't want to be in any situation where i got closed by, I can't see my baby. I will say this. I was surprised.

I'm surprised that hasn't happened way far before this. That's right that hasn't happened again. Yeah, you know, he's been to several prisons. Minneapolis has given up, what? I don't know. All together, probably $70 million because of Derek Chauvin. You know, they paid prisoners

because they wouldn't, the prison wouldn't let the black she-olds keep him. You know, and they paid them $500,000 a piece. You know, so he's been a problem everywhere he's went. And it's not Derek Chauvin's problem. It's all the people around him that are manipulating the situation. Your ass commit a crime in Minnesota. That's where you're supposed to do your time, man.

Am I correct? Yeah, yeah. The federal time makes it a little bit different. They can send you wherever the hell they want. But yeah, for the state charges absolutely. Yeah. So talk about it. You know, but all the people that he's manipulated,

than put in jail. Because you imagine how that would have went. I mean, cops and judges that go to jail, things, you know, it's... Should have been doing nothing dirty.

Yeah. Yeah, should have been doing nothing dirty. Firstly, he's currently at a low security federal prison in Texas. He's at FCI, Big Spring.

Mm-hmm. And he was in Tucson prior to that. That's where he was stabbed 22 times. Mm-hmm. And then transferred out to Big Spring. And then... Okay, so, yeah, there... Yeah, so he's in Texas, a loaf period.

I don't know who was stabbing him, but I could say if I was the person that got 22 waxed somebody, that's probably wouldn't breathe it. I was all I got to say. So I don't know what they, I don't know what he used in our. Yeah, a pen or something. It had to be something, you know, small, because 22 times, you know, but best thing to hear you know, there,

two wrongs don't make a right. I'm going to find out. All I know is when I heard about it, you know, the media called me, what was my thoughts? Nobody should be hurt in any

in any way at all. But, hey, stupid people do stupid things, and stupid things happen to stupid people. So all I know is the guy who did it. His name was John Turskak, he's 52, or was 52 at the time, I don't know which, and it was an improvised, all they say is an improvised knife.

They don't say what he fashioned it out of it, it was something, because I'm getting probably like a toothbrush or something like that, so that they would have access to. And apparently he had been thinking about attacking him for a month. And he said, he said, because Chauvin was a high profile inmate in that he would have killed him if prison staff hadn't intervened so quickly. That would have been a travesty that we wouldn't be able to see him torture. over all these years. Or he got to survive and we're killed from that. So, you know, the thing is, so that guy just so you're aware

for people who are listening, like, who was the guy? Because I know people are like, well, what's he in for? He's not even serving a life sentence. John Tersec was serving a 30-year federal sentence for racketeering and conspiracy to kill a gang rival

as part of his involvement with the Mexican mafia. Even an FBI informant in the 90s while engaging in criminal activity, extortion, drug dealing, gang violence. And he pled guilty and, 2001. So he's actually was pretty close to get out. Yeah. Yeah.

Wow. What's that? That's, uh, he had, uh, he had, uh, he had, uh, he had an obsession with that, buddy. Yeah, I'm, I, I, I'm, I, I'm, I, I'm, I, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, done. What in hell were you thinking? Uncle Selim wants to talk to you, man. I, I could get, I could get you on a, uh, let me, let me, let me, you know what? You never know, you never know. I've done

I've done I've So again this this podcast hasn't yet from when we're recording hasn't been released yet but I did an episode with Joe Exotic it was from prison

cool so it can be done okay um I just know he was charged with attempted murder assault to intent it was intent to commit murder

assault with a dangerous weapon and assault resulting in serious bodily injury um each the maximum pencil for the murder and assault can carry 20 years each under federal lawsuit

he's probably not going to be getting out. But his current sentence was scheduled to end in 2026. Wow. And he messed up his life over an idiot. I'm going to reach out to him and we'll see what happens. If he follow this podcast because if it

happens, we will post the follow-up. Yeah, I will. I'll do that. I'll see if we can. Yeah, we got to get on that, man. We got to get on that. I want to be what the hell is going to be your mind. I want to be part of that. Okay. I want to be part of that. I'll bring you in on that.

Yep. Sure. I'll, yeah, I'll see what I can, I'll see what I can do to make that happen. Because if he's at that, if he's, I don't know if Tucson's a, we've gone way off topic here, but not really, not entirely. All of them are hand in hand, man. All of them are hand in hand. Atrocities and violence and racism and hatred, guess what? They all go hand in hand.

They do. They do. but well I'm gonna I'm gonna find out this guy because now it sounds like he's not going anywhere for a long time and you know he wanted to do because Chauvin was high profile well let's give him let's give him how would you're two years from getting out like you were three from this you were three years from getting out what the hell yeah let's let's give him some media man let's give him some uh let's give him some light to shine because

I hate to say this jack and I wonder what he was thinking. Hey, I didn't, I didn't mean to say that. Do you what I said? You can say that. I can say it too.

He's probably not going to hear this one. But it is. I mean, anybody who would look at this and say, dude. Like, I mean, I get you don't like him,

whatever, but you're three years from getting out. You've just completely fucked yourself. Dog. Dog. What? He must have had a girlfriend in there. I thought I can think.

You don't want to get out? I want to get out I had three years to figure that out three years to get out you've been in there for 22 years and you got three years to rock off the dough you know that he was in there more than that

because when they're usually you're in prison for a year or so maybe longer while they cross in jail yeah you're in jail so that's part of your time he had to have a girlfriend that he didn't want to get out for and he's like you know what how can I stay in here for life with my girlfriend

well let's get Derek Chauber and let's skin him up because he did some atrocious, atrocious things, that's all you can think of. Because, you know, mental health issues are real, Justin.

They're real real, but I can't see me being having one foot on a banana peel and the other one in the door. Yeah. And get my feet off the banana peel. Oh, hell. Yeah, I mean,

I figured when I looked him up, this is a situation, oh, this guy's a lifer. He has nothing to lose. But nope, I'm wrong. He is a, line for now. And he's not even that old. He's 52. You know, he still, he still had a lot of life left to him. You know, he probably went in in his 20s. So that made that his ass would

probably be eligible for parole when he's 90. If that. Yeah. Guess what, Justin? Yeah. He is, we're going to label him with the dumb ass of the year. We should, we should do that. Although he's part of the Mexican office, so maybe we don't want, we want to say it more respectfully than that. But yes, I don't understand why he did. I don't, I don't understand. Oh, oh, mygo, you dumbass. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Uncle Selwyn said that, not me, but. No, Justin, shout out. Fair, fair, fair. I don't edit either, so here we go.

Well, let's, so I appreciate you walking us through all of that. I know we're getting a little on time. But what I want you to do at this point, if you're okay, obviously there's anything that we haven't talked about that you want to talk about. I want you to say, I want, I know that you have a podcast. I want people to be able, I want you to be able to talk about that. Um, so people can follow your podcast. And then anything else you, you're working on that you want to share with. Your time to shine. Setting us straight with selling is my podcast and you can tell that I'm always trying to set it straight. I'm going to say things that most people don't want to say because I'm just, don't ever want to cheat myself out of an opportunity to make an impact simple.

Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, you name it, Selwyn Jones, the uncle of the movement. We've got a podcast. We've got a reality show that we're trying to get. That's cool. Crime show. Crime show. Dave Mack. He's one of the producers of Nancy Grace.

He's her executive producer. So we're trying to get that going, man. foundation we want to help people we want to give people opportunities you give them a hand up instead of a handout because i'm a total optimist i don't ever think my day is a good day i think my day is a great day it's a beautiful day every time i get an opportunity you wake up every day with two things a chance of a choice people put more emphasis on the chances i'm on the choices that you make sure you could have more chances and just fight fight for your right to be free,

fight for your family's right to have an opportunity to be a productive member of society, make great decisions, and whenever you see something happening, please use your voice because that's where we get lost in this, because so many people had an opportunity to make a difference or an impact on people's lives.

And guess what? It's easier to walk away or stay away. Well, I appreciate having you. I appreciate you taking the time to share your story, Georgia's story. This has been unheard. We will see you guys next time. God bless you. The views and opinions expressed in this episode are solely those of the individual speaking

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