Unlocking Us with Brené Brown - Brené with Brett Goldstein Live at ACL Fest on Comedy, Creativity, and Roy Kent

Episode Date: October 20, 2021

OY! It’s our first LIVE Unlocking Us, recorded at ACL Fest in Austin, Texas. I asked Brett Goldstein — writer, comedian, producer, and Emmy Award–winning actor — to join me onstage for a conversation. We talked about the vulnerability and humanity behind comedy, we talked about the band we’d create, we talked about the Muppets — and we talked about why everyone loves his character Roy Kent and all his friends on the beloved comedy series Ted Lasso. This will definitely not be our last live recording. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hi everyone, I'm Barrett Guillen and this is Unlocking Us. Y'all, this is such a special episode. It's our very first live Unlocking Us. We were a podcast that launched in the pandemic, so we really haven't been out and about in the world. And it's a big moment for us. 19 months later, coming to you live from ACL Fest. ACL Fest is a legendary music festival run by Austin City Limits and C3 Presents each fall in Austin, Texas and we loved being there. They actually asked Brene to headline their new podcast stage called Bonus Tracks and so she reached out to Brett Goldstein to be her special guest.

We totally thought that maybe a few people would show up, but oh my gosh, guys, thousands of you showed up and you were chanting. Don't worry, you're going to hear everybody in a minute. You should know that this was definitely a live podcast event at a festival. You'll hear the audience in the background, sometimes in the foreground, and guys, you'll even hear Doja Cat in the background. It was amazing, and it was so fun, and there was so much energy. Fair warning, it is definitely a festival atmosphere. One more small, maybe big warning is Brene's interviewing Brett Goldstein, the beloved Roy Kent on Ted Lasso. And you should know there's a good amount of cursing, especially cursing in British.

So if you're offended by British curse words or global curse words or curse words in general, this might not be the podcast for you. But it was so much fun. And such a huge thanks to Brett Goldstein and the entire ACL Fest team. This definitely will not be our last live recording. Let's move on in to festival mode and get ready for some fun with Brett Goldstein at the ACL Fest in Austin, Texas. We're so glad you're here. Support for this show comes from Macy's. Fall is in full swing, and it's the perfect time to refresh your home and wardrobe for the sweater weather with new finds from Macy's. From October 9th to October 16th, get amazing deals on shoes and boots on sale at 30 to 40% off. And you can shop new styles during the Macy's Fab Fall Sale from October 9th to October 14th.

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Tune into Housework, a special series from Where Should We Begin, sponsored by Klaviyo. Before we jump in, we're going to learn a little bit more about Brett, but also you guys know our wonderful intro music was written by Gina Chavez and Carrie Rodriguez. They've been on Unlocking Us and you know them. They were so amazing and they came to the festival and did the Unlocking Us intro song live on the stage with Brett and Brene. They also even wrote intros for each of them backstage and sang them. You're going to hear them when the podcast starts and they're amazing.

We're so grateful for you, Gina and Carrie. Thank you for coming. It was so fun. A little bit more about Brett. Brett's a breakthrough creative force on screen and off He has emerged as one of Hollywood's most sought after Multi-hyphenates an actor, a creator, a writer, a producer He is a series regular, writer, and co-producer on Apple TV Plus's Emmy and Peabody Award winning comedy series Ted Lasso For which Goldstein won the 2021 Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series for his scene-stealing performance as Roy Kent, as well as two Writers Guild of America Awards as part of the show's writing team. He's currently in the writers room

for season three. Brett also most recently co-created, executive produced, and wrote the AMC limited series Soulmates, which debuted in October 2020. A fixture for UK audiences on screen, he starred in and co-wrote the 2015 began performing in comedy clubs in 2006, and since then he has toured extensively across the UK, creating and performing original one-man shows. He remains very connected to his comedy roots and continues to perform in comedy clubs across London, Los Angeles, and more. Brett also hosts a podcast called Films to be Buried With, which he recently celebrated over 2 million streams. Brett was also a guest on that podcast, guys. It was so hilarious. You guys should listen to it if you get a chance. He received his degree in film studies from Warwick University and then studied acting at the American Academy of Dramatic Art in New York City, and he currently resides in London. He's here, he's there, he's every you know where. He was at ACL Fest with us. Welcome Brett Goldstein. All right, so I'm so honored. For those of you who don't know,

Keri Rodriguez and myself were very graciously invited by Brene Brown to co-write the theme music for her podcast, Unlocking Us. Can we get some Unlocking Us love? Woo! And it was, well, it truly changed our lives to not only be connected to Brene, but to be connected to so many of you. And she actually ended up having us on the podcast.

And so Brene is one of those people that practices what she preaches, and she's a beautiful soul. And that's why you're all here, of course. So they invited us also to introduce Brene and Brett today. And they gave me some bios to read and I thought maybe we could do something a little different. So we just wrote this backstage. Alright, so

this is Brett, this one's yours. I'm not sure if you're listening. This one's for you. Let's get a little Roy Kent chant going on. Roy Kent! Roy Kent! He's here! He Roy Kent chant going on. Roy Kent! Roy Kent! He's here! He's there! He's everywhere! Roy Kent!

Roy Kent! He's here! He's there! He's everywhere! Roy Kent! Roy Kent! He's here! He's there! He's everywhere! Roy Kent! Alright, alright, alright. Oi! Oi!

He's here, he's there, he's every fucking where. His name is Brett Goldstein. He's got an Emmy for supporting our friend Ted. For supporting our friend Ted For supporting our friend Ted He wrote a lot of shit that was said He's super sexy that Roy can't But his real first name is Brett All right. Sorry, we just wrote this backstage. Here we go.

All right, so, Brene, this one's for you. Wherever you are. Cool. All right, here we go. She puts it all out on the line. She's not afraid to speak her mind. Her name is Renee. She's on our side.

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He's every fucking where. Bret Goldstein. Bret Goldstein. Bret Goldstein. Bret Goldstein. Bret Goldstein. Oh, boy. Woo! I love you, Bret Goldstein. Oh, boy.

Woo! Oh, hey. Thank you. What do you think? This is fucking mental I mean genuinely fucking mental listen I gotta say I like Austin I went for a run this morning it looks like the vibe here is like everyone's cool but they get shit done it's like

it's like everyone's sort of cool but also like they could build you a tree house like that they're like I got a digger

in the back you know what I mean well welcome to ACL thank you thank you for having me thank you so much

thank you thank you and thank you for asking me. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you for asking me. When Brene Brown slips into your DMs, you have to say yes. It's a great honor to be here. Thank you. So let's start. I want to remind y'all that we're recording a podcast so if you scream something out, make it very clear and audible. Okay. Just a nice chill vibe, isn't it?

Yeah, I've never done this. This is our first live podcast. Yeah. And when ACL reached out and said, will you do a podcast live at ACL? And I said, yeah, that sounds fun. Can I invite anybody I want to invite? And that's when I slid into his DMs.

It's a pretty great day. It's a pretty great day. All right, let's get started. Y'all ready? Yeah! Okay, I got a lot of questions. Tad Lasso. Yeah.

I've heard of it. You've heard of it? Writer, producer, actor, now, Emmy Award winner. Okay, okay. Alright, okay. Now, Emmy Award winner. Okay, okay. All right, okay.

Let me just be really honest. Is this weird for you? Is this weird? Yeah. Of course it's fucking weird. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this madness. I mean, what are we all doing with our lives?

Yes, it's very weird. Is this weird for you? Are you used to this now? lives yes it's very weird is this weird for you are you used to this now oh it's always weird for me I always I kept calling them at ACL saying what if nobody comes and then it'll just be the two of us and then that's okay we'll chat yeah yeah it's a podcast no one needs to be here

no one needs to be here so it's always weird for me and I'm always grateful so thank y'all this is huge I really appreciate it So it's always weird for me. Yeah. And I'm always grateful. So thank y'all. This is huge. I really appreciate it. Yeah. It's quite the turnout.

I feel like we should be playing instruments. Do you know what I mean? So, okay, my first question. Yeah. I just want y'all to know, if you listen to the podcast, you know I asked for five songs, right, for the mini mixtape. We'll get there at the end totally cheated he cheated and and you don't even know that i'm aware that you cheated i did see you think you're gonna get

away with that with me that you're that you're gonna billy joel cheat me we'll get there okay but here's what my first question for you so I'm reading a tweet last week that says, ACL's really cool, but the band names are so effing weird. Like, this is the weirdest of them all. Brene Brown and Brett Goldstein. I was like, wow. If we were a band, what would we be covering? Like, what would we be playing?

I'd be on bass, silent silent and moody at the back. You'd be up front fucking ripping it up. You'd be doing dancing and people would be going nuts and I would just stay completely still, just staring out. What songs would we be singing? If we were covering people, what bands would we be covering? Spice Girls. Spice Girls, All Saints, you know.

What? Okay. What would we be covering? You tell me. I don't know. You're the front man. Elton John, Stevie Nicks, Beatles. Yeah, we do some Stevie Nicks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do some Stevie Nicks. Some Rolling Stones. Yeah, we do Rolling Stones. Beatles, could we do? The Beatles. The Beatles. The Beatles.

We could do... What? Mumford & Sons. Mumford & Sons, yes. Yes, they're very good, yes. We could do The Beatles. Mumford & Sons. Mumford & Sons, yes. Yes, they're very good, yes. We could do The Beatles. I'd give you two songs. Yeah.

Which would you pick? I know all the words to come together. Okay, we can open with that. And... And we'll close on Let It Be and just keep it going. It's called Let It Be. Yeah. Yeah, we'll have a nice time.

We'll have a nice time. Yeah. The tune is... And I'm doing all the work. We'll have a nice time. Yeah. And I'm doing all the work. You're doing all the work. Yeah. All right, here's what I want to know. These are real questions.

Yeah. The creative process on Ted Lasso. Yeah. First of all, let me say on the record, I have nothing to do with the show. So if you don't like the way shit's going down, don't send me any messages. People are invested now. And they have opinions.

You know what makes me slightly... I've read a lot of tweets. I don't know how caught up everyone is, so I don't want to spoil it. No spoilers. No spoilers. Alright. End of tweets. I don't know how caught up everyone is, so I don't want to spoil it. No spoilers. Alright. End of discussion. Tell me about the creative process and tell me if you ever think to yourself, man, this is going to piss off

a lot of people. Yeah. I mean, I sort of the thing I'm proud of in season two is that we had a plan and we're sticking to it. And when we were writing season two, season one hadn't come out, so we didn't think anyone would watch it.

And so we were, like, halfway through writing it when it came out and people started saying, I want this, I want that. And we were like, you ain't gonna get it. And so there's things in it that i think you know people may not want but then you have to trust like we did a thing the first time that you liked so stick with us and i also think if we did do what everyone wanted, you'd be disappointed. You'd be like, yeah, it's all right. I think that's...

Thank you. I think that's true. Yeah. Tell me how the creative process works and is it as fun as we all imagine, right? Don't you imagine it being like really... It is fun, but what is... The truth is in the writer's room,

there's a lot of talk. There's a lot of talk about you're going to think there's a lot of talk about you we talk about you a lot like for a show that's fun there's a lot of chat about Esther Perel and Brene Brown and like you know people

it's the whole thing you talk about being vulnerable there's a room of many of us and everyone at some point you have to share in the room and you talk about, being vulnerable. There's a room of many of us, and everyone at some point, you have to share in the room, and you have to be vulnerable and hope everyone's not going to take the piss out of you. And, you know, mostly they do. But a lot of the chat is philosophical and about relationships

and about psychology, and then you just add jokes. The joke speech is kind of easy. It's the real stuff. That's hard. Yeah. So I thought it was like, I didn't picture it like that. I pictured it being like, okay, knock, knock, and then, like, who's there?

And then someone says a funny joke, and they're like, no, no, here's who's here. Eventually, it gets, when you're doing like uh rewrites and you you can you know people are pitching in on jokes and stuff it get it gets to that point but most of it is i think you'd probably be like wow these people are fucking serious like i mean there's loads of it we're laughing but there's also someone will cry at some point you know do you talk about a character's hero's journey do you talk about yes those things a lot yeah we talk about all that there is a thing and you know

it's always been like jason had a very clear vision of what the show was from the beginning and we are really sticking to the to that vision and then it's so it's sort of we know where the end is so it's like how do we get there and end is. So it's like, how do we get there? And I think most of what Ted Lasso is, is we take someone you don't like and hopefully, you know, everyone has their reasons for why they are the way they are. Yeah. And we try and dig into that and try and make them forgivable. I read. Yes.

That you were brought in as a writer on the show. Yeah. And you started reading the script and you thought to yourself, I'd be a damn good Roy Kent. Yeah. I guess so. I mean, I didn't think of it like,

I just was like, this is in me. It was like a calling. It was like, I've got to try. And so how did you pitch yourself? Oh, I made a, I didn't tell anyone, because it's embarrassing. And we were in the writer's room and I don't want anyone to,

because imagine, we're all friends, we're all around the table and someone goes, I think I could play. And you'd be like, all right, mate. Yeah, I reckon. And it would have just been awkward for everyone. So I waited until the end of season one writing, and I did a self-tape of like five scenes,

and I emailed them and I said, if this is embarrassing, I will never ask. I will never ask that you saw this email. You can just ignore it. But if you like it I secretly think I could play Roy and then yeah well thanks

thanks very much I mean think about what a vulnerable moment that is like how much courage it took

well it was sort of like I think that there's a thing when i look back on it i go there's so many moments of ted lasso that are like magic like truly where you go i don't really understand how this happened but i don't know if i'd have i haven't done that a lot it's not like every job i've had i'm sending secret videos going yeah yeah me for this, it was quite bold, but I truly felt it like, this feels like it's a thing I should be doing. And then every part of making it, like, I always talk about this, but like when Rupert first appeared, when it was Anthony Head, we were filming and Rupert did his first thing and he shouted at the gala.

And it was like, that is the guy we've written. And he sort of was magic. It was like exactly as we'd visioned it. And Jason and I were like, that is the guy we've written and he sort of was magic. It was like exactly as we'd visioned it and Jason and I were like, this is magic. And then there were things like going to Wembley Stadium, which may not mean much here, but that's a fucking, yeah. I mean, granted, it's not Austin Football Club, but it's, yeah.

All of us, all of the footballersers when we walked out onto wembley we all cried it was real real magic like so much of it and then this this shit is magic like you don't mean you don't plan it like you just want to make the thing and then hope that someone watches it is there ever a conflict in the right i, I know there's healthy tension, and I think creativity is born of healthy tension, but is there anyone that's like, this has to go this way? Well, I think we're all,

we're a team, but it's Jason's vision. So at the end of the day, it's his final, he's always like the final paintbrush, you know what I mean? And we're chucking stuff in. I don't think we've ever massively disagreed on anything because it's the thing of trust, isn't it? It's like, I don't want to be like, he's very good. Like, he's really fucking good.

Yeah. And so when he has an idea or he has a thought, it's like, that's probably the best idea. You know what I mean? Like, we should probably trust this because look how far it's got us so far you know i mean tell us about without spoilers right no spoilers tell us about roy kent's journey well roy's like roy roy's like uh he's a cauldron of emotion and he doesn't want anyone to know that

and so I think the reason his voice is like that is because he's stuffing it all down because if he let it out he'd fucking be a mess you know what I mean so everything is held in. What are we doing?

They like the grunt. What are we doing with our lives? This is it. One thing I have taken from season one is if something, it's really terrible actually of myself. It'll just ruin your wholehearted vision of me. But if something shitty happens to someone that's pissed me off, the first thing I think is, cheers. Cheers. Just do that.

Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Oi. That's it. Okay, is this true or false? Go on. That before Roy Kent, you actually played mostly sensitive men.

Nice, sweet boys. I was always playing the nice, sweet boys. Yeah, in England. I mean, yeah, I was basically kind of stereotyped in England as you bring me in and I'll be like, oh, sorry. And yeah, sorry, you're all right. Thank you. I'm very fond of you. Do you have fun with Roy?

I fucking love playing Roy. Like, I... You can tell, right? I love... I am so grateful every day. Like, I love it. I really feel like, you know, it's a once in a lifetime. To be on a show that I love and to play a part that is that great,

I mean, I am the luckiest guy in the world. It's disgusting. It's disgusting. I think it's awesome. I don't think it's disgusting. Okay. Let me ask you this question. I've got mild concern.

Okay. What is your fixation with the Muppets? Wait, have you got beef with the Muppets? Do I have beef with the Muppets? I don't like the two old grouchy assholes that sit in the balcony. Yeah, yeah, sure. Statler and Waldorf, yeah. Yeah, but I mean, you love the Muppets.

I love the Muppets, yeah, sure. Statler and Waldorf, yeah. Yeah, but, I mean, you love the Muppets. I love the Muppets, yeah. Tell me. Well, because the Muppets are, like, us. Like, we're the Muppets. Like, as in, the beautiful... I think that they're... I don't want to... This is going to sound so pretentious.

Let me explain the Muppets. Go ahead. Well, it's like... The secret of the Muppets is they're not very good at what they do. Like Kermit's not a great host. Fozzie's not a good comedian. Miss Piggy's not a great, like none of them are actually good at it, but they fucking love it. And they're like a family and they like putting on a show and they have joy. And because of the the joy it doesn't matter that they're not good at it and and that's like what we should all be that's aspiration okay yeah is it true true or false yeah that

your life will be made if you get to perform with the Muppets? Yeah, I will happily get hit by a truck afterwards and be done. Like, that's it. And what would you like to do with the Muppets? Anything they ask. I'd do anything they ask. So I saw, this is on YouTube, I saw you performing a one-man show for a Parkinson's non-profit in the UK

where you do the entire Muppets Christmas Carol. Yeah. Yeah. Is there any part of that you'd like to share with us? Yeah, it was a charity thing. It was a Christmas show. They asked me would I... It's a show called A Musical

where they have people who don't sing come and sing a song for a musical. And I said, I'll do it if I can do all of Mother Christmas Carol in six minutes. And I did. And what was great is everyone knew all the words. It was a pretty magical thing and I'll never do it again. How often do you do stand-up? Do you still do it? up do you still do it yeah I still do it I uh I I used to do it all the time and now I do it as much as I can is that terrifying yeah

it is terrifying but I got to the point where maybe you're the same where like I get nervous every night i get nervous before everything but now i realize oh that's the thing you need like that's the adrenaline and then you go on once i'm on stage i'm fine it's the build-up you're always like but i think if you didn't have that terror you probably wouldn't be very good maybe and do you know and i i just do you think that's the most vulnerable thing you could do is is write jokes and then stand in front of a room? Yeah, but can I stop you please, Brené? I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead. Go right ahead.

I've seen your special, and I would describe it as a stand-up special. Like, you're fucking funny for an hour. You say stuff, you're profound, etc. But you're funny. You've got joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. It's one of the best stand-up specials I've ever seen. So when you say you're... It's a genuinely

good stand-up special. When people say, like, do you recommend any stand-up? I go, yeah, Brené Brown. Yeah, that's weird. I don't think of it that way. I think of it just like research with some funny breaks. But they're consistent.

Your hit rate is massive. But thanks. It's true. Banger after banger with you. We were texting with each other, and we were talking about comedy, and you said something that I would love for you to explain. You said drama without humor is not good art. Yeah. Yeah. I think I saw a film and I won't name this film, but it was like a very critically acclaimed film and it was based on

a true story and it was so depressing and there wasn't a single moment of levity in it. And I was watching it and I was with my friend, James Acaster, if you know him, the comedian. And at one point, I'm sorry, there was like an aggressive, horrible, sexual assault that happened really slowly. And we were just watching it for like eight minutes. And I turned to my friend, and I was like,

that's entertainment. And I was like, what the fuck are we doing here? Like, what's the point of this film? And I also thought, what the fuck are we doing here? Like, why? What's the point of this film? And I also thought, you read things, you know, first person accounts of the Holocaust.

You read people who've been in war zones. They have jokes. Like, people laugh. That's what happens in real life. In darkness, people make jokes.

So if you're making a drama and it doesn't have any humor in it, you've not been watching properly. You've not been watching the world. Like, that's when

people are most funny. I agree. Yeah. I think I shared that quote with you from Carol Burnett that I love that says comedy is trauma plus time. You know, and I think

there's something, and what quote did you share with me? Oh, I think it's Peter Ustinov says, comedy is being serious in a funny way. Yeah. That's basically it. About a year ago, two twin brothers in Wisconsin discovered kind of by accident that mini golf might be the perfect spectator sport

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All right, I want to read something that Vulture Magazine wrote about your podcast. So y'all know Brett has an amazing podcast. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. It's where you were very kind to do it. It was so fun. It's called Films to be Buried With. Yes. Tell us the premise, and then I'll read the Vulture review. The premise is, I tell the guests that they've died, and they get to pick how they die, and then we talk about death for as long as they're comfortable with. And then we talk about the films that meant the most to them through their life.

So I like, what's the film that made you cry the most? What's the film that scared you the most? What's the film, the sexiest film, et cetera. How did you come up with this idea? Like, that's really just, I know you're dark and twisted, but like, tell me. I don't know. I do love talking about death. Do you? Yeah. Because I don't mean we talk about it enough and it's like, aren't you worried about it? Like, one day it's going to happen. And I think, we don't talk about it. It's sort of hidden a bit. Like, everyone's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, death.

But we don't talk about it. I'm like, I want to hear all of it. It was really weird when I had to think about, like, I had to tell him, I prepped for the podcast, like, how do you die? So I was very clear that I was like, I'm in my mid-90s. I just won a two-set tennis match,

like, so I'm healthy. But then you gave me a lot of shit because I died on the moors. Yeah, you did die on the moors. And also, yeah, I think you wanted to die in your sleep or something. Yeah. Which I was like, yeah,

but something happened in your sleep. It wasn't just... No. Peaceful. It was wasn't just peaceful. It was peaceful. Here's what Vulture magazine, how they described it. A meditation on death and spirituality, which itself is concealing an exploration

of our most naked fears, hopes, and desires. I mean, that's really giving it a lot of credit. I mean, I felt like we talked about Grease 2 a lot. Yeah, which is a meditation on life. And you liked Grease 2. I fucking love Grease 2. It's the best Grease. Whoa, whoa.

Oh, what? Oh. Oh, now you're angry. What? Grease? A film about a woman who has to change herself for a man? Oh, you're all fans, aren't you, you sexist pigs? All right, we've got to do a little British.

You've got to help me with some words. Okay. Okay. Wanker. Wanker. Wanker is a jerk-off. Okay. First time on the podcast we're discussing this. Okay. Bollocks.

Bollocks are your testicles. But it also means, like, that's bollocks, that's bullshit. Oh, bullshit. Yeah. So, like... But also... I got it. testicles but it also means like that's bollocks that's bullshit oh bullshit yeah so like but also i got the dog's bollocks is a good thing there's a lot of uses out of bollocks like oh that's fucking bollocks then you go have you seen my bollocks and then the other version is that was amazing that was the dog's bollocks is that different than the dog's dinner? Dog's dinner is shit. Yeah, that's bad.

Oh. So bollocks is synonymous with bullshit. Yeah. Bullshit. Okay. Bollocks. That's bollocks. Bollocks.

You've got to give it some intonation. Bollocks. Here we would say like 15 syllable horse shit yeah that's great but y'all don't say horse shit I've come on the classiest podcast in the whole world

and now people are going to be listening and it's just you and me going bollocks I'm just so curious because there's so many different words are you actually a tea drinker no whoa whoa whoa I'm so curious because there's so many different words. Are you actually a tea drinker? No, no. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

The crowd's turning. I drink coffee. I drink coffee. Oh, they're back, they're back, they're back. Wow. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Pigeon sweat.

Pigeon sweat. It is pigeon sweat. It is pigeon sweat. I don't get it. I don't get it. Okay. What do we have to look forward to? What are you doing besides Ted Lasso? What else can we... Where can we find you?

Where can we... Ted Lasso is a full-time job. I mean, we basically write half the year and then we make it half the year. Are you writing now? We're writing now. We're writing season three now. London?

Yeah. Yeah. Can you tell us anything? Not a spoiler, but like a... No spoilers, but four of the main characters die. No spoilers. No spoilers. You and Keely.

Keely. Yeah. Keely, yeah. Raise your hand if you... Are you all shouting out who you think is going to die? Raise your hand if you like Roy and Keely together. I do too. Tell us about your relationship with Phoebe.

Oh. I love Phoebe. So Phoebe is an actor called Elodie. And when we first met, you know the moment at the end of episode three when we're at the school and I go, Phoebe! And she runs after me.

Yeah. That was like, in my mind, Roy Cairns is like Bill Sykes from Oliver. And Phoebe's bullseye, his dog. So he's like, Bullseye! You know what I mean? But he's like, Phoebe! And she runs along.

She was so good that we were like, oh, we're going to have to use her more. And, you know, I spent a lot of time. It's probably the youngest person I've spent the most time with. And she's sort of annoying because she's so much better than everyone else in the cast. And she always comes. She knows all her lines. It's embarrassing. You're always like, oh, you've done your homework, have you? Okay, oh, great.

And then you give her a note. She's proper. She's proper. And she does also want to be a vet in the wild. That's amazing. Yeah, she's really something. Do you have, are there a lot of bloopers? Do you all crack each other up a lot?

Yeah, I can't do scenes. Actually, I can't do scenes with Phil Dunster, who plays Roy Kent. He plays Jamie Tartt. Jamie Tartt. Jamie Tartt. I play Roy Kent. I'm sticking with that. I can't get through a scene with him. We laugh a lot.

That is a genuine problem. And then this year, I had more scenes with Nick Muhammad. I can't get through scenes with him. There's a scene in season two that I asked to be removed from because I was laughing so much. It was like, we're never going to get this. I was like, do I need to be removed from because I was laughing so much. It was like, we're never going to get this. I was like, do I need to be in this? Like, just please cut me out.

And I think if you watch closely, it's mostly the back of my head and me just shaking. But it's very difficult because Roy Kent doesn't really smile. So if I smile, it takes ruin. Is that hard? It's hard, isn't it? It's hard. It's really hard actually. It is hard. It is hard because everyone's fucking funny in that show. So the actor who plays Jamie

Tartt. Funny. Funny, right? Funny boy. And a Shakespearean actor, right? He's a proper actor. Yeah, he's a proper, proper actor. And he's so funny. And I don't think, there's a lot of people in this cast that I don't think knew they were funny.

And you're like, oh yeah, you're all comedians. They're all like, oh, I'm Shakespeare. I'm like, no, you're a comedian. They're all... Who are the, who came to the show? You, Jason, Brendan, who came to the show from comedy? And who came to the show from comedy

and who came to the show from serious drama? Hannah who plays Rebecca Oh my god, she's so fierce She's incredible She's incredible and she's a stand up in her heart I think that, yeah Juno's never done comedy

She was terrified, funny Phil, funny Oh, he's funny Nick, Brendan, me, and Jason were from comedy. Who else have I missed? Tahib, he's not done comedy. Funny. Funny cast. That's surprising to me because the comedic timing of Ted Lasso is impeccable.

Yeah. Jason's got really good instincts in that casting. There's a lot of discoveries. I remember when he told me he was going to cast Juno Temple, I shit myself.

She's like a proper... If you've seen her other stuff before, Ted Lasso is dark and amazing. Moody. she's like a real, real, real proper actor. And I was like, oh man, am I going to be able to keep up with her? And then I met her and she's so wonderful. And you just have to, you just have to look in her eyes and then you're all right. You know what I mean? She's just pure light, like real food. All right. One last question about the show.

Yeah. Who actually plays football or soccer on the show? Most of the, most of the team, half the team that don't have the most lines, they're all kind of semi-pro. And all the others, I'll tell you, I mean, Sam's really good. I mean, they're all really good.

They're all really good. Danny Rojas. Danny Rojas was a pro. The ball is nice. Danny Rojas, Phil Dunst did that big, big, big, big free kick he does in episode six. He did that in one. I mean, that was the greatest day of his life. Okay, you ready for some rapid fire questions?

Y'all ready for rapid fire? Let's go. Don't pull those eyebrows on me. All right, you ready? Yeah, I'm ready. Vulnerability is? Hard, man. It's hard. It's hard. And, you you know it's a struggle isn't it oh this is

rapid fire that was the answer no go ahead well it's like i get that it's important but i still find it i still find it a thing you have to i think it's how you're raised and weirdly i was thinking about this my dad is a very open, loving man. But I, whether it was culturally or whatever, I grew up sort of like, you don't, I always felt like you don't show emotion. You don't show vulnerability. So it's still hard.

But I appreciate that it's, you know, important. But that is why I go to the cinema on my own to cry. Because I don't want anyone fucking seeing it. You know what I mean? I'll go with you to the movies. I don't want you seeing Brunette. I'll go too. I'll go.

All right, we'll all go to the movies and I'll cry and you can throw stuff. Perfect. Okay. I'm so interested in the answer to this question. Yeah. You're called to be really, really brave. Yeah. But you are this question. Yeah. You're called to be really, really brave. Yeah. But you are really afraid.

Yeah. You can feel the fear in the back of your throat. Yeah. What's the very first thing you do? Sort of. What's the other thing? Look up, connect to the sky, and then just fucking go for it and trust that it'll be all right.

Look up, connect with the sky. Fucking go. You'll probably be fine. And if not, tell yourself, well, it'll be a good story. Like if it's a disaster, it's going to be a great story. That's right. So either way, you win or you have a great story. Okay.

I love it. What is something that people often get wrong about you? What people, I don't even, the vulnerability thing. I'm quite shy is the truth. So I think people don't expect that. And I think they're like, bollocks. But this is a controlled environment.

And I say controlled as in because there's barriers. I can see you're shy. Yeah. Yeah. It's partly being British as well. I think we're born shy. Like, it's very interesting in America. Everyone's like, I'm here.

And British people are like, excuse me. Sorry. All right. Last television show that you binged and loved it's a sin you see that no russell t davis show about aids it's fantastic it's a sin and a really good example of it's a drama about the aids crisis and it's got so much funny in it. So funny, you'll cry. Funny. I'll check it out. Yeah. All time favorite movie?

Singing in the Rain. We see you, Brett. Yeah. A concert you'll never forget. Billy Joel, Ells Court. Which Billy Joel, El's Court, when I was like six. And he was on, and we had seats really far back and he had a stage that spanned and you couldn't really see him

and I was like, oh, he's funny. And he said something like, whoop-dee-doo, I'm spinning round. And I was like, I like this guy. Okay.

Oh, I'm so curious about this. Favorite meal? Chinese. What will you order? All the starters. Oh, just your heavy appetizers. I'll have all the appetizers and then I'll buy their products. I'll have all the starters. The appetizers, yes. Yeah. What's your favorite starter? Spare ribs. Oh, got it. You haven't had chips and queso ever before, right? Yes. Oh, you have?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Renee was really adamant I have tacos before this gig. And I did, and I believe the heist. All right, what's on your nightstand at home? Just let us have it. Books. Books and one of them sun alarms. I don't know.

It's like the sun comes up in your room. Oh, yeah. Okay. Does that work for you? I still haven't quite worked out how to work it. Okay. Give us a snapshot of an ordinary moment in your life that brings you real joy. Ordinary.

Just an ordinary moment in your life uh this isn't that ordinary but my favorite thing is is getting in the sea in the ocean so if i'm ever in the ocean i'm a very happy man you're very happy like and i will just swim out and look up and be like oh yeah we're all specks of dust and nothing matters and uh and that will make me happy so that kind of sense of wonder and awe that right sizes us yeah yeah exactly when everything's a bit too much just get in the sea and then you're like reset okay tell me one thing that you're deeply grateful for in your life right now i mean i i don't want to sound like genuinely genuinely ted last i love every part of it and the fact that i get to go to work you know at the moment we're writing i get to go to work with these people that i genuinely love that are really fucking great people that are really smart and funny and interesting and we can be vulnerable with each other and we can love with each other.

And I think I truly have one of the best jobs in the world. I mean, probably a surgeon is better, but it's still something. Yeah. We can tell that y'all love it. Yeah. Can't you tell? Yeah. We can tell that y'all love it. Yeah. Right? Can't you tell? Yeah.

All right. This is where he cheated on the five songs for the mixtape. So number one is actually, what do we think, Laura? Three songs? So first of all, he texts me and he says, can I send you five Billy Joel songs and then five other songs? And I'm like, no, dude, that's not the jam, right? It's not our jam.

So number one, Scenes from an Italian Restaurant by Billy Joel. That's three songs. Correct. It's three songs, but technically it's one song. Number two, Heaven Help Us All by Stevie Wonder. That's one song. Number two, Heaven Help Us All by Stevie Wonder. That's one song. Let Me Clear My Throat Live by DJ Kool. Yeah.

The Magic Store from The Muppet Movie. That's four songs. That is four songs. And Summertime by Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald. Yeah. In one sentence, what does this mini mixtape say about you, Brett Goldstein?

That I cheated on the assignment? That you cheated on the assignment. Yeah. All right, y'all. He's here. He's there. He's talking everywhere. Thank you very much. He's here, he's there, he's talking everywhere.

Thank you very much. This has truly been insane. Thank you so much for having me, Brene. It means a lot. Thank you all for coming tonight. Y'all have fun and be safe. Brent Goldstein. Brene Brown. Brett Goldstein for Nightbrow how much fun was that you guys a huge thank you for Brett Goldstein and the entire ACL Fest and C3 team

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