Unlonely with Dr. Jody Carrington - Good Girl Conditioning Burnout: Why High-Achieving Women Hide Their Light - Grace Emmons

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

If you’ve done everything “right” and still feel anxious, disconnected, and like you’re somehow failing…this one is for you.Dr. Jody and Grace Emmons unpack good girl conditioning burnout: how patriarchy, perfectionism, and people-pleasing can make high-achieving women look fine on the outside while quietly falling apart on the inside. Grace shares her own rock-bottom (including why she felt stuck in a toxic relationship) and the surprising moment that reignited her sense of aliveness.They also get practical about what it means to “wake up” again: intuitive vision, how intuition actually shows up (it’s not one-size-fits-all), and why reconnection to yourself might be the most important antidote to the disconnection we’re living in.In this episode:Why “doing it all” became the new impossible standardThe hidden cost of people-pleasing + perfectionismHow to tell intuition from anxious mental chatterFive ways intuition can communicate (and how to find yours)Spiritual connection without the pressure of organized religionWhy technology can deepen loneliness—and what to do instead---Links & Resources:• About | Forward with Grace: https://forwardwgrace.com/about• Forward with Grace | A Spiritual Consultancy: https://forwardwgrace.com/• Why Good Girl Conditioning Keeps Women Stuck | Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/self-made/202506/why-good-girl-conditioning-keeps-women-stuck• Podcasts | Forward with Grace: https://forwardwgrace.com/podcasts• Unlonely with Dr. Jody Carrington (show page) | Acast: https://shows.acast.com/everyone-comes-from-somewhereFollow Grace Here:@forwardwgrace@topangacanyonoasis Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back. Welcome in. Oh, this season three of Unlonely is just everything I hope to be. And I hope you love this episode. So today you're going to meet a woman named Grace Emmons. And she's an entrepreneur. She's an intuitive coach and an energy healer who empowers female leaders to usher in a new era of thriving in life and business. And, you know, every time I sort of read about things like energy healer and like oh my god i like i sort of fear like that this community would be like oh christ here we go because i as you'll hear in this episode i talk a little bit about okay like let's really take the woo out of it and talk about what it means to be intuitive what does it mean to sort of be connected to your deeper sense of knowing and i think all of those things are so powerful i think

what has really gotten the way of so many important conversations is like people just sort of like oh like why are we talking about astrology and maybe that's just my own person on bias. But I really want to make some of these conversations around tuning into your own neurochemistry much more accessible because I think in this noisy world, we're going to have to get a little more comfortable at creating a language around it. What does it mean to drop into yourself? And so I really loved when I found Grace and her work. She's got a master's in clinical psych from Columbia University. She's a Reiki master teacher trained by Kelsey Patel, who's like super, super powerful. She studied astrology under the renowned Deborah Silverman

and in the astrology space. That's a big deal. And she'll speak about it in this episode, but has studied Kabbalah under the Berg's. And so Kabbalah is really, I mean, she'll explain it to you sort of this Jewish piece of just like, anyway, I'm not, I'm not, she's going to explain it. So I don't want to get it wrong. She, Grace's transformative methodology, which she speaks about a little bit in the podcast, blends all of these modalities to guide high, achieving women and men and spiritual entrepreneurs to their next evolution of embodied gifts, purpose and abundance. And, you know, in the beginning, we talk a lot about women. We talk a lot about feminism, how the future is female. And then we really end this episode with a conversation

about men and boys, those who identifies men, because you know how critically important this is to me in this time of where, you know, everything feels very divisive. And we start talking about the answers women and females are where we got to, I really want to be clear. That's not my intention. It was really, in this season, what do we need to stay connected in a disconnected world? Why? How do we become unloanly? And I think there's a skill set that's needed the table that's largely embodied by women to lead that charge, not to complete the world, to finish it, to take it over, but really to understand what we need right now in this season of disconnect. And I think there's something to it that I want, that I think we do a good job of today sort of talking about. So I cannot

wait to hear your thoughts. Dive in and then like it, share it. Give me your feedback, your criticism, all the rebuttals, and I can't wait. Enjoy. Okay, Grace Emmons, I want to know. what's going on why what is happening particularly for people women in particular that are hiding their light can you help me understand that yeah the society that we're living in right now has been very much defined and built by men you know we live in a patriarchal society

maybe if you saw the Barbie movie this resonates um and And I had an experience myself where I realized, I didn't realize until I hit a rock bottom and then overcame that rock bottom and healed and felt fully for the first time in my life like myself. Did I realize that I had been hiding a lot of myself for much of my life to fit into a box of what I thought it meant to be, you know, a good girl and successful and following the path that you're supposed to. You know, I went to college at USC. I studied biomedical engineering because it was a technical major that then I could get a good job. And then I was consulting and

working, you know, making a big salary and kind of doing all the things that I, that should make me happy in the society that we live in. But yet it was at that point that I was more disconnected from myself and you know my light was so dim it was almost out and I was feeling anxious I was having trouble concentrating I started using Adderall just to get through my days I was in a horrible relationship with a guy at the time and really having trouble walking away and just like everything in my life was like crumbling down and I didn't understand why I had followed the path that was you know, sold to me. And it wasn't until I felt my light turned back on, which for me happened unexpectedly. I went in for a Reiki session. I had never done Reiki before. I actually

went in because I was having this shoulder pain that was really bothering me and no doctor could help me with. And what I didn't realize was that one Reiki session, it was going to do more than cure my shoulder pain, it was going to reignite this light within me. It was going to return me to this true sense of aliveness and radiance and connectedness that I hadn't even realized I was missing. And so that ended up being a huge turning point in my life. And since then I have made it, you know, my highest purpose to continue to kindle my light to shine. And to share it and to help other women awaken theirs. Okay.

So let's slow that down. I want to know, because I think what you described is very, very common. And for this season of the podcast, I'm so interested in having the conversations about how the fuck did we get here as women. And so I would say, you know, I've had a lot of these thoughts in my own head conversations with my girlfriends about the fact that like, listen, I did everything right, okay? I got a PhD. I married a doctor.

we have three kids, I'm very successful. And why do I continue to feel like it's not enough? Why, why do I feel like I'm still holding all of the bag? I mean, my husband is very lovely and kind and all the things, but like, fuck, I am still doing the vast majority of things, okay? And is that fair? And even when I did everything that I said I was supposed to do or they said I was supposed to do, it only occurred to me like, I don't know, five minutes ago, Grace, that like I actually

didn't have to have kids if I didn't want to. Did you know that? I didn't realize many of those things. And so I look back on sort of how I've created my company, my life, the, you know, made some of the decisions in business that I think happened as a result of having wonderful mentors in there that I didn't even know. So many of this, so much of this was done without knowing why it happened, how I got to these places. And you've used that word awaken. How can we sort of how, okay, give me the process. What do women need to think about these days?

how could I have gotten there quicker? Is this a process? Is this like when we look at our daughters, I know you have two, I have one, I have two sons as well. And I know this isn't just about men and women. How do we get humans much more able to awaken to their purpose, their potential, all of that bullshit that we talk about all the time? How do we get there?

Okay. That's what I want us to get to. And is it a process? Can you rush it? is that the first mistake we're making? It's definitely a process because also this is going to happen. It's something you have to come back to time and time again because we are ever-evolving beings.

So speaking of... That's dumb. So you don't arrive. God damn it. It's always a work in progress. And look, it's something that hopefully you can be more methodical about taking the time to move through that process. And I'll talk about the methodology I use.

And hopefully that'll serve you for a chapter and a C, you know, a big C. And, you know, a lot of the women I'm working with these days are right around that motherhood transition, the initiation that is motherhood. Because speaking of the complexity of being a woman, it's that, okay, you're just figuring out who you are as a person, your purpose in life, what you want to do, and then talk about throwing a wrench in things. Then you become a mother. I mean, that is a rebirth of your entire identity. You become a new person with each birth of each child. and your life rearranges and you have to figure out

who do you want to be in this new chapter in this new life and what does purpose mean now and how does your business align with this new life with these new children, right? And they can be such assholes which we don't talk enough about, right? Like it's going to be just blizzard. Are you fucking kidding me?

I now need spanks to put on all of my pants. I got it so right with the first one. Then I got twins. Ooh. And I had twins at 38. And I, in real life, we're, of course, um, you guys probably can't see this, but we're doing this virtually. And so like, I'm five foot fuck all. Okay. So I had twin, just lovely, you know, and now I'm 50 in menopause and my

babies are not even teenagers yet. Like son of a bitch. And so yes, let's, let's slow that down and dive into that a little bit because I think it's like, let's give people the permission to have the conversations about the fact that like, okay, A, first of all, this is going to be hard. There's still so much joy in there. Let's never sugarcoat it. I would never, ever, ever. They're the three greatest gifts of my life. But holy mother of pearl, if you wouldn't give me, if you, I mean, my husband and I say this all the time. Actually, we decided we don't want kids. Just kidding. Just kidding. We feel incompetent. We do not know. I like, and I've said this on here before, Grace, and then I'm going to let you talk, I promise. I wrote a bestselling parenting book called kids these days,

and it's so goddamn good. But if you watch me with my own personal children, you wouldn't buy the book. Okay. So we know the things, right? How do we get back to that knowing? Yeah. Well, so there's a lot here. there's a lot here where do we begin um well i wanted i'll say something about the i'll say something about the process and then i also want to come back to or maybe i'll say first why like how did we get here why is it you know you said something earlier like why do women never feel like enough it's never enough and you know i think we put ourselves in a very interesting position the the feminism movement that happened over the past you know a few decades Yes, it was amazing to liberate women of like, we can do anything.

We can, we should have the right to choose what we want to do with our lives. However, we also, there was a little bit of this catch 22 where we also then set this new precedent that women are supposed to do everything at once, right? So we wanted to say we should, we should be free to choose anything. and we accidentally set this new president of now you have to do everything, right? You have to be the business woman, the career woman with the purpose, and you have to be the mother and you have to be the best mother, and you have to be present at all the things and go to the school things and whatever.

And we gave ourselves this impossible task of feeling like we have to do it all. And, you know, so I think first and foremost, when we think about the methodology of how do you get, clear on what that right balance is for you and who you want to be in this season, this chapter of life, there's a lot of information available to us, especially as women, that we're not tuning into, we're not tapping into. So when I work with clients, I run through this methodology, this process, and this is informed by many different modalities and through, you know, a master's degree in psychology

and through training and energy healing and all these spiritual. arts and what I ultimately did was I figured out what I had done to sort of find myself and my purpose and I packaged it into something that other people can follow and the first step is awakening our intuitive vision and opening up what what is possible for us and quite frankly many women were walking around with blinders on with assumptions that our life has to look a certain way that we have to follow that certain path or that we have to do it all or that what what being successful looks like. And we're not actually allowing our intuitive vision to show us what our dream, our true dream would be. We're looking at our dream. Defined intuitive vision for me.

What does that mean? So that means tapping into a field that is beyond the self to see a potential future. You know, you can literally think of it as tuning in and seeing your future self, your highest self, your highest path. You know, this is where we get spiritual with it. But spirituality, intuition, these are some of our most powerful feminine gifts that we have not been taught to use. So talk about women's lights being dimmed because all through our childhood, all through growing up, we're told to focus on what is logical, what is real before us, what we have data and evidence to support, what authority tells us. Never along the way are we being taught to look for the answers within. Are we being taught to, are people asking us, you know, maybe in kindergarten

they ask you, what do you want to be when you grew up? But nobody's like all along the way, like, hey, like, let's do, like, close your eyes. What would it look like for you to be thriving and lit up? And what do you really enjoy most? And how can you create your life to really draw that out? That's not what I was raised with. I don't know about you. No, or ask this question, and I do this a lot in trauma work, is where do you feel it? Yeah. So when we're talking about intuition. I just want to be really clear, you know, that I think a lot of times we can get in our brains around, okay, here's the strategies, here's the step, here's the logical, which all are necessary, huh? But what I hear you say is that's really guided a lot when you slow it down

and feel it. Does this feel right? And even to describe that to some people, they're like, what the fuck are you talking about? What do you mean feel it? You know, I get so much pushback in clinical work around, what do you mean feel it? So take us a little bit deeper there. What are we feeling for? Well, actually, I've found that there are five different ways that intuition comes through. And for some women, it's through that feeling sense and that's really powerful. And for some women, you might feel, right, you feel when something's right, or you feel a gentle pull towards something, or you feel this, you know, tingling feelings

or this expansive sensation. And really, it's so nuanced to each and every one of us because this is your own personal secret language with your intuition, which is really a translation of your connection to God, divine, whatever you believe is the whole of the universe that we're connected to. It's talking to you through your intuition. And so it's actually a language that only you can learn and we all have the ability to learn. There are women who are like, okay, I don't really get the like feelings, but they see, they get the visual. We have this visionary channel. That's what I was talking about, an intuitive sight. There's women that can like see things for themselves.

And whether that's, whether that's like a really clear picture or just a knowing of a scene in the future, you know, we can receive these, like energy healing is really great for helping people open up these, you know, kind of like open up the visionary channel and like, what do you see? And there's always information there for us. And then there's women who are going to just know things in their bones. And they, don't know how and they don't know why. Like, these are all ways that our intuition communicates with us. So part of what I also love to teach, and I actually have a quiz about this, I could share it. We could link it in the notes, is to find your intuitive type as a first step. Okay. Love it. I find women ask all the time. They're like, oh, I'm not intuitive. How do I awaken my intuition? How do I listen to my intuition? And it's like the first step is knowing where to look, knowing how it's trying to, you know, it's like knocking on your door like, hey, can you? So some of us are feeling, getting in touch with our feeling,

some of us are really visualizing it. So really seeing that. Yeah, some of us just have knowings. It's just a knowing. And so this is confusing, right? A knowing. How do you discern a knowing from a thought? And that requires being really self-aware of beginning to identify the chatter thought versus the deep-seated knowings. Can you tell me, a little bit about, I mean, I think I can describe it, but I'm so interested in, you know, if you've been a woman for a very long time who is, you know, religion is spirituality or, you know, I don't feel like there is anything else outside of me. What are some of those sort of tips that we start to kind of notice? And I hate even the word tips because it's so much

more about like there's a stillness that's important in this process, yeah? Yeah. I mean, I think it's about finding those rituals in your day where you feel connected, where you feel that you're receiving from a source, an infinite source that's beyond yourself. And speaking of that, I mean, you're exactly right. We used to, religion and spirituality used to be synonymous. There was a whole era, 2,000 years or, you know, 2,500 years, whatever we're at now, where, like, the religion was our sense of community. It was the place where we received spiritually. It was synonymous.

It was one and the same. And we're at this very interesting time now where organized religion is breaking down. It's really kind of past its prime. There's a lot of problems with it. People have exposed, you know, the corruption and, you know, we don't need to get into all that. But a lot of people feel disenchanted with organized religion. And the problem is, or rather like the opportunity we have, is to figure out what it means to be spiritually connected in a new world where we're not getting that every Sunday at church

or every Saturday at synagogue. How do you cultivate your own spiritual connection in this new world? And so I think that is why there are so many healers, coaches, guides out here now. And it's so interesting, like talk about age of aquaer. and now everything's online. And now there's people, you know, joining these online communities and doing their spiritual coaching and their transformational programs online. And like, it is this whole new era of people are hungry for connection and they're for belonging for belonging and they're thirsty for feeling connected to God, the universe, divine, whatever you want to call it. Something that

might be bigger than us. Something bigger than us. But we don't all quite know where to find it. So part of what, know, what I do with my clients is we're helping them reconnect and know how to cultivate that connection personally, right? It doesn't require, like, I don't want it also to be now that you have to be in like a church of grace. It's not like that. It's like, how do we connect you? So you have your direct line to God. You have your direct line to source. It's speaking to you through your intuition. You are guided every step of the way. And you are self-guided, but really guided from something bigger than you because you know how to connect. You're tapped in day after day after day and not once a week in some temple, but like in the

temple that is your body every day of your life. I love that so much. And I think that it's taken me a very long time to get past the woo-woo conversation. Okay. So like I, and again, full disclosure, I now appreciate for sure if I were to take this from a scientific perspective, the importance of healing. on a level that that is beyond words because many of us do not have the capacity to the ability to articulate our experiences, some of which have happened to us that are

didn't have words. Either they were formed, you know, in utero or, you know, in multiple generations who came before us or, you know, sort of in the cells that, you know, have evolved over time. And so I think it's, it's been a long time for me. And I try to be very careful. in the space to not get people off put by the idea that, you know, like there's a spiritual component. You have to, you know, yoga and meditate and do all this kind of things. I, I, I, what I hear you saying is there is so much importance in the stillness in the reconnecting of to yourself first and then to this world around us that I think has become such a big pull in this lonely, disconnected world can you do you think that there is a connection between what we're seeing

today like rises in anxiety and depression suicidal ideation and completion um in addition to sort of the division that is happening i i think politically uh you know you're in the united states i'm in canada um i think both of our countries are experiencing a an increasing divide where we've never ever had this much access to resources or research. Yeah. What is happening? I mean, it's, I know, it's, it's truly an epidemic. I mean, I, I think how I see this is we are way too addicted to technology.

We're not connected to the real world, the living, breathing life that is all around us. When we get sucked into these digital holes and social media holes that are, that are, I mean, we all know that the, social media feeds off our division right so it um people are most engaged when they're anxious and upset and fired up about something like when we're like right that like the hateful um posts or those that are really divisive get the most attention so those are going to be promoted and if we don't remember to come back to real life and reconnect to what who like what it means to be a human here on earth, we can get really sucked down these rabbit holes. You know, one of my favorite daily rituals is truly just getting outside and connecting my feet to the earth. And this can sound

so woo and granola and crunchy of me, but there's real science to earthing. We, as humans, we evolved connected to the earth. We're in a symbiotic relationship with the earth. It has a grounding effect on our system. And quite frankly, I think like, okay, if we're spending all day inside in an office and there's Wi-Fi everywhere and there's and we're shoes on our feet and we're not breathing the fresh air and like we're just on our phones and digital devices like we are no longer in the environment that that cultivated our evolution as humans and things go haywire and we literally go haywire and you know I think when we connect back to life when we ground our system when we take care of our body, mind, spirit, and realizing, you know, the, the delicate balance

that we need to hold there, you know, like, so as an energy healer and thinking about this from, through that lens, like, we have to tend to our energetic body, which is sort of this culmination of our mental, emotional, and physical health creates this, like, energetic frequency that we're vibrating at. And everybody has it. Yeah, we all, we all do. And this is shown by science. Like, we know that we have this electromagnetic field.

We're a bio, you know, a biofield, they call it. Okay. So I just listen. I think about this. So I, who listened to this podcast a lot are like my mom. And, you know, women who are just like, whoa, just a second. I'm either praying to Jesus or now what you're telling me? I've got energy. And so slow that down for me because, of course, I'm, this is in my bones as well. But I want to make this accessible to

people. And so, you know, what I hear you saying is like, you know, trusting that sense of intuition, really coming to terms with the fact that how you enter a room, sometimes, most of the the time happens before you even step in there physically, huh? Can you imagine if that's possible? So can you help us understand that a little bit more, that, you know, that you are the music that sort of, you know, predates you as entering a room? Can you imagine if we're that powerful? Is that truly, is this for real? And what does that look like? Tell us more about that. I mean, there's a lot of ways we can look at this. And I don't know if this is going to be the most accessible way, but I'm such a science nerd myself. And like, what I find so interesting is,

If you actually study physics and learn about quantum science, we know that like what makes up our bodies, cells that make up our body are made up by molecules, which are made up by atoms. And atoms are just little packets of energy. That's all they are. There's like everything when you whittle it down to the smallest building block is just energy. So it's so funny when people say energy is woo. Energy is like, oh, no, I can't see it. It's like, no, this is literally the building blocks of our energy.

entire world. So we perceive it to be material, right? Like I can feel, oh, it feels like I can push against something, so it must be physically there. But actually, where my skin ends and the air begins is really just a much more diffuse border than what we imagine it to be, right? So we actually are truly, if you think about us, you are a packet of energy packets, right, that are kind of more densely connected, you are literally swimming, you are a little packets, packets of energy swimming in a sea of energy all around you. So tell me that we're not connected directly to the entire universe. Tell me that energy isn't real. So how I understand this is just how we've learned, you know, quantum science shows that like particles actually only manifest into being,

like they manifest from their energetic state where they're in a wave of possibility, they manifest into particle form, becoming a little pinpoint of particle material, happens under conscious observation. Okay. So the way I understand this is our consciousness is literally inviting our energetic packets to manifest into particles in any given moment. So we truly have the conscious ability, the conscious power to change our reality, whether that's our mental, emotional, physical health.

And we see this. There's, I mean, there's studies and amazing accounts of spontaneous healing that happen. When people shift, you know, open their mind, shift their energy, shift their beliefs, people have healed chronic injuries and illnesses like that with their. right energetic state because because what if we are actually what if we are actually you know points of consciousness that are manifesting through these energetic bodies in any given moment and I know that probably lost more people than gained them it's okay it's okay I got it I got it now part of that question for me is then if this is true why is this and I believe you I mean I

I know it's true, but why is this so hard? Why is spirituality historically? And this isn't just in this current moment, right? But this is like the age-old conversations around why does it take longer for people to get that sense? Why is it demonized, if I can use that word in this place? Like, oh, my God, I don't know, she's talking about it. Why, if there is such freedom on the side of tapping into your intuition, slowing down into your energy.

What is creating the, because the outward then, you know, the roundabout way around that is then we create community in that space. We create authentic connection in that space. Why is that so hard for people to do? Why is that been thwarted historically, you know, generation after generation? And why do we need it even more so now than ever? I mean, truly there is, there's so much good in this world and there's evil. You know, I look at it from the spiritual, like, I'm a student of Kabbalah, which is Jewish mysticism.

And in that teaching, they teach that, like, our duty as humans as light beings is to repair the world, to rekindle the light and bring us back to wholeness, bring the world back to perfect. And we're given an opponent, which is the darkness, the evil. We, you know, learn that, you know, Satan was a fallen angel that came to earth to be that negative evil voice in our ear. Why would we be given that? Because it's our duty as humans to overcome it. That free will of, you know, ascending consciously to becoming better people, to choosing to be the good in the world, we have to overcome something. So we're literally given evil so we can overcome it. We're given the dark, we're given the inner critic voice.

You know, like that's how, what Satan is to me is that inner critic, like the worst thoughts, the negative self-talk, those stories. They're seated in here. We hear them every day. But it's our duty to become conscious of that and then to choose to hear from a different voice, our intuition, where we're connected. So it is a process of learning it, is what I'm hearing you. say that you're just not sort of given it. And I let me give you a parallel and you tell me what

you think about this. Okay. I often talk about this with the behavior of children and parents. So chaos is necessary to learn the calm. Your kids don't just come out, you know, using their words and being kind and understanding how to be empathetic and, you know, giving to this world. We have to show them. And the only way you know where the edges are is you've got to put a push up against them. Yep. And so what I hear you saying is that like, no, just a second. Like it would be ideal if we were all just given like the divine ability to just be kind and lovely and human at its truest sense. We would just be in heaven. That's what heaven is.

Heaven is everybody perfect. You're whole. You're a light being. Earth is for us to remember that we're whole. We're light beings. And when you do and when you're fully, you know, then you get to ascend out and you join back with God. But earth is not, you know, we're trying to create heaven on earth.

But we're not there yet. That's why it's a process. it's an ever evolving right and speaking to you know why intuition specifically and our direct connection to god and spirituality through a personal sense you asked earlier like why is that always why have we been why is that so hard because i mean people have been wanting to take power away from women and the individuals i mean direct connection um intuition and direct spiritual connection are specifically feminine gifts. And I'm not saying men can't be intuitive. Some men are more intuitive than others. They can certainly develop it. And men can be spiritually

connected. But these are like feminine gifts to be tapped in directly to source, to God, to have it speak through your intuition. And that's really scary for authority, right? How do you, How can you control the masses when you don't need to listen to authoritative truth because you have your own truth within, right? So this power has been being taken away from women for thousands of years and we're now in a state, a shift where we have an opportunity to really reclaim it, but it takes a lot of kind of restructuring our whole concepts of the universe and life and humanness. well and that's circling back to sort of how we started this conversation right like when we sort

of we're at an era a time in our lives and I'm so I've never been so grateful to be alive like what a time to be alive when you say sort of we've asked for this shift and then it came uh without maybe teaching the other half of our life what that's going to look like good and I feel like this is just such a necessary time to almost watch the pendulum switch like swing like we just swung so far and then we're like, holy fuck, we didn't mean it all at one time. And hey, what about the rest of you? Like, can we navigate this process? And I just feel so lucky to be a part of this massive pendulum swing that's going to come with like achy and heartache and heaviness. And you know how I opened the top of the show, which is like, holy, just a second, I did everything

right. And it still feels like it's not enough and it's heavy and it's all those things. Yes, baby girl. Yes. That is part of this process. And I really, really loved what you said. when you're like, then that would be heaven. We are here. I always say this around here, and I know you're going to love this. You probably know this to your core, but when Ram Dass said,

we are all just here walking each other home. And it just took on a whole new meeting in this conversation with you because it's like, you know, the purpose of being here for so many of us is to navigate that pain and that loss and that feeling of what it means to be human. And the highest calling, I think, is to sort of give it away, is to help other people do that.

Now, you are not able to do that to your highest potential unless you go in first. Because that's where the source is. Yes? Is this true? Yeah, absolutely. And you know, something else you said was reminding me, I guess I kind of got distracted on, this is how my brain works. I'm so. When I asked you 57 questions at the same time, so there's not you, it's me.

But I got distracted on the methodology that I bring people through to remember that truth of who they're meant to be and what they're meant to do. But what I was going to mention was it also is always also so, it's time dependent. So we can look at, you know, who did I come here to be and what lights me up and what is my purpose. And it's always going to have this sort of time delineation of like in. this chapter and right now and for these things. And one thing that I always weave into all of the work I do is astrology because I just found it was so helpful for me understanding, well,

both astrology and human design. But I think a lot of the problem we have is, you know, when we're trying to compete with other people and compare ourselves to other people and compare ourselves to whatever gold standard or that, you know, kind of predefined path that we have in mind, like we're failing to actually understand the uniqueness that each of us bring and the fact that every single one of us came here to be one specific part of this amazing complex, you know, speaking of the music, if it's all an orchestra, we each have this part to play, this instrument to play and it's totally unique to us. Like I am the only. I am the only, person that can share this specific frequency with the world as you are the only one that can

share yours, right? So for us to each get in tune with that unique frequency for each of us, for me, astrology, human design are great tools to help us learn that because in astrology, there are no two charts that are exactly the same. Everybody knows their sun sign and they're like, oh, yeah, okay, you know, one of a 12th of the human population that's a cancer. But like, no, but when you actually look at your rising and your moon sign and where all the planets are and the other thing that astrology shows us is it actually gives us these um it helps us understand what chapter of life were in so when i first kind of felt like i rediscovered myself i had a really clear sense of purpose and it was to follow learning about rakey and the healing arts

and I went on this deep spiritual study exploration, and it was this really amazing couple years in my life. And then at one point, things shifted. And I was like, I need to start a business. I got to be an entrepreneur, right? And I had this whole new energy come in, which was starting my first iteration of my healing brand and really going out there in that way. And then a couple years later, things really shifted.

And I felt really called to work in really like how. high-end containers with clients in these really long periods of time. And then it was only looking backwards at one point. I realized that it was all perfectly aligned to these transits that my chart was going through. And it was like in retrospect, you know, I'm not like, it's not like, oh, predictive. And I'm just. I can see it. This is exactly what I need it.

Yeah. And you know, when people are like, oh, well, maybe if you read a horoscope, then it's just self-fulfilling prophecy. It was like a reverse, like I'm looking back and being like, oh my God, that's exactly how I felt in those times first, you know, that, you know, in each of the cases, and it totally aligned to this one transit that was shifting every couple years. And so now I get so much, I receive so much understanding of myself and also permission for myself. Because talking about the complexity of our lives as women, you know, there are going to be times in our life when we do feel really called to go all in on our mission and be really career focused. And then there's

other times that we're going to feel called to focus more on, you know, mothering and maybe like certain years of our kids' lives when they really need us and maybe certain times that we'd want to focus on supporting our husband more. And like I know I'm in a season right now where I've actually backed more away from my work and a lot of my focus has really has really shifted towards you know like literally putting my manifesting energy towards some things in his business because when we look at us as a family that was kind of the highest priority in this moment and so it's interesting we kind of have these seasons that we move through and if we can be aware and be looking for these and be inviting the transformation, the evolution, not feeling like, oh, what used to

work for me a couple years ago is no longer feeling right. So that means I failed or that's a problem. But rather to shift this to, oh, I'm so excited to understand like who I'm shifting into in these next couple years and what that could look like. So anyway, just something that I love to remind women of because I think we want it to be something we can just figure out and then have and be done with. But that's not really how it works. It's not how it works. Yeah. And I, and I have a question about that then. You know, I have two sons and I'm married to an incredible human who's a man. What is the role of men, those who identify as men, you know, because I think sometimes in this space it gets to be very divisive. And I often have to be very

careful. I would speak about this. I do think the future is female. Our team and I have talked so much about this about like, wait, wait, then you kind of have the, you know, I did a I talked to the IHOP, the women of IHOP, the other day, where we're Florida. And it was like, Kate, I want to be clear. Like, I, the feminine energy, the capacity to have an emotional language are historically rooted in the teachings of the opportunities for women. And when we look at what the world needs moving forward, we still need all of the things that the masculine or that the men sort of bring to the table we've always, always, always

needed the balance between these things. Right now in this very disconnected world, the strength that I would call to the table would be an emotional language, would be something that we need to soften into in this very disconnected world. And who happens to have that capacity, that strength are women, those who identifies women. Help me understand how we don't further divide a very divisive world when we're talking about nothing. You and I are talking about nothing other than community and connection. How do we do that in a way that does not, you know, separate us from our partner, our husbands, the men, you know, and I don't care how you identify or who you want to love.

How do we really encourage this conversation around connection from an emotional perspective? Yeah, I think it's so important and such a good point to bring up because so much of this rise of the, you know, the grand feminine, if you will, which is needed, like you said, to overcome the suppression, right? Like the feminine's been suppressed and now it's rising up, right? And it's kind of like overcompensating a little bit for all these years that it's been suppressed. But we do have to be careful because really the talk about heaven on earth, the heaven on

earth is the balanced masculine feminine, right? It's balanced. And so we do want to be aware and sensitive. to that. I mean, actually, I think if you want to talk about a loneliness epidemic, it hits the male population far more than the female population. Highest rate is suicide. Highest rate of suicide is middle-aged men. And of course, you know, women, we have our unique challenges and postpartum is a highly lonely time and menopause. And we have certain, you know, challenges for sure. But men, they're lonelier than ever.

So I do think this is a great question. I don't know that I have the, answer. I think it's to remember that women, so I like, you know, speaking of Jewish mysticism, there's certain things from like the old Jewish tradition that I love. But one of them is that in Judaism, women are the spiritual leaders of the household, right? Because of these gifts that we talk about, they create the energy. They bring God into the home, right? Through the home they create through making sure that everybody's okay and checking on the hearts and the minds and is everybody good. Like that is, that is the essence of God on earth works through the feminine. And, and I think it's important, though, to realize that as the leaders of emotional connection, emotional intelligence, belonging, we must, like, lead the way, sure, and, you know, link arms with the other ladies, but we also have to bring the masculine into that and hold the masculine with love.

And holding the masculine with love doesn't just mean turning them into women. means actually respecting the duality and respecting what the masculine does for us, how it's needed, and yeah, holding it as like an equal and opposite partner, right? Like think about, I mean, this is, how is this the second time I brought up the Barbie movie in one interview? But didn't we learn something from then when it was Barbie land and it was, okay, all the women are in power, but then what did it do to the Ken's? they would cause this whole problem because really we need the balance, the balance.

So I think that is that is something that women need to become more and more aware of as we sort of have this future as female movement. Great. But okay, women, we want to show that we can lead better, that we have this huge emotional capacity. Like, okay, show it, prove it by showing how we include men with love, with respect, with dignity. and include the grand masculine as our counterpart, right? Yeah, yeah, as the counterpart. And I think that's what's really critical.

And I think it's really hard in this pendulum swing time to not get divisive and be like, okay, this is better. This is what's needed. No, no, no, no, no. There's no better. There's no worse. There is two components that are so critically necessary for, and this is true, like in co-parenting.

This is true in, you know, co-creating. communities. This is true in sort of like the yin and the yang of relationships when you sort of opposites attract kind of an idea. But it's about really, I think, respecting and noting that we bring different things to the table. Both of those things are required. And I think the conversation right now is that in a very divisive disconnected place, what we don't need necessarily right now, I'm not saying this is what forever, but in this season that the infrastructure brute force strength is not going to heal us in a time where we are just really disconnected. We need the gentle pulling back in together.

And that's not devoid of infrastructure, strength, the ability to take charge in moments, you know, and I think it's like a time, a season that we really need to be conscious of that will again shift, I believe. I mean, historically it's proven that after, you know, multiple generations that have come before us. So I, what is the one? thing you want the world to know right now you know in all of your work i mean you've done such deep training in in this space of really reflecting not only in your own journey but like sitting with some of the most foremost gurus you know who really deeply truly understand this how we aspire to just really

is that real could they be that intuitive and it is true they are um what do you think the world needs right now? I think what the world needs the most is it's kind of what we've been talking about all along the way, but for us to find our common humanness and be willing to love each other. That's really what it is. I mean, speaking of division, we talked about the division between the masculine and feminine, but what I've been so fed up with for the past several years, decade of my conscious realization and awakening is the left-burst right fight in the U.S. at least. And it's such bullshit because if we would wake up and realize that there's like, again, talk about the evil powers that be, I mean, there's a much bigger fight happening between

the ruling class and the people. And they're pitting it as the people fighting against one another, the left and right. But that's, it's really all a joke. Like that's not actually, We are more the same than we are different. And we need to realize that to be willing to love our neighbor, be willing to love the people around you and your community and your family who think different than you, who have different beliefs, who have different political stances. We need to realize that we are all human beings. We all have reasons.

We see the world the way we do because we have different backgrounds and different perspectives. and none of that should be reason to not respect one another. This is something I feel really deeply about, actually so much so that my best friend and I are starting a podcast all through the, with the reasoning of hoping to bridge that gap a little bit and bridge that divide. Yeah, because I think that's the number one risk to our society right now is that like hate from the two side. Yeah, we, you know, I think, I think everybody is sort of deeply committed, as even you and I were today, to sort of have these conversations about, um, understanding one of the sides, understanding one perspective, understanding, you know, what we need to sort of evolve into whole beings. And I think then by that, understandably, you know, you're going to deep dive into one side of things. Um, but there's always this understanding, particularly around this community that you always have to then rise back to the top that, as humans, we start in exactly the same place.

We end in exactly the same place. Race is a social construct, sexism is a social construct. We are really truly 99.98% the same in our DNA. And we all require the same things to be well, which is community and connection and emotional regulation and that softness of the spirituality piece that allows our bodies to feel safe in this human existence so that we can learn and soak up as much as we can. can in an effort to give it away. So listen, Grace, this was dreamy. Thank you for your insights and your brilliance. And I know there's so much more. I just want to, I mean, well, I'm going to put a little

sort of connection in the notes to Grace and Raina ruin everything. That's the title of the new podcast coming up for you and where people can find you. So thank you. Thank you for your time in that beautiful space that you're in today. And I loved it. And I know this community. will too. Thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure. All right, everybody. Hang on to each other. And in the meantime, do the next best, right kind thing. And I'll meet you right back here next time. You know, the more we do this, people ask, why do you have to do the acknowledgement and every episode, I've got to tell you, I've never been more grateful for being able to raise my babies on the land where so much sacrifice was made.

And I think what's really critical in this process is that the ask is just that we don't forget. So the importance of saying these words at the beginning of every episode will always be of utmost importance to me and this team. So everything that we created here today for you happened on Treaty 7 land, which is now known as the center part of the province of Alberta. It is home of the Blackfoot Confederacy, which is made up of the Sicica, the Kainai, the Piccani, the Titina First Nation, the Stony Nakota First Nation, and the Métis Nation Region 3. Our job, our job as humans, is to simply acknowledge each other. That's how we do better, be better, and stay connected. to the good.

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