Unlonely with Dr. Jody Carrington - What If the Bad Guys Are Just Broken Too? - Paul Hutchinson

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

This one had me in the feels and on edge.In this episode of Unlonely, I sit down with Paul Hutchinson (@liberating.humanity), philanthropist, entrepreneur, and executive producer of Sound of Freedom and we dive into some of the hardest, messiest questions a human can ask:Why do people do terrible things?Is it possible that even the ones who hurt others are hurting too?Can trauma and healing actually exist in the same sentence?Paul has been part of over 70 undercover missions to rescue trafficked children and is now working to understand why this suffering happens in the first place.We talk trauma, psilocybin, nervous systems, and that slippery slope between justice and healing. We don’t shy away from the hard stuff. Because if we want to change the world, we have to be willing to look at the pain that breaks it.Maybe the revolution starts with curiosity. Not certainty.Maybe the monsters weren’t born that way.And maybe healing is possible, even in the darkest corners.You might not agree with everything in this episode. That’s okay. But damn, it’ll make you think.Find Paul Here:instagram.com/liberating.humanity Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Well, hello there. Welcome back. Welcome in to another episode of Unlonely. And, oh my goodness. This episode is one that I, during the interview, I go back and forth. I'm like, oh gosh, am I, is this good? Is this going to be great? Am I, is this, should I be talking about this stuff? Should this be? And you're listening to it. So we've decided to launch it because Paul Hutchinson, is who you're going to meet today. And he is, he is fascinating. A successful entrepreneur, investor, and philanthropist, he's known worldwide for his professional accomplishments and the profound impact he is making in the lives of millions. He is the co-founder of Bridge Investment Group, a multi-billion dollar real estate investment firm. He helped grow to nearly 20 billion in assets

under management before retiring. And I just want to be clear that I am using the right word billion because my husband says to me all the time when you say million and like you always add zeros in places that don't make sense it like and I I might like make things sound cooler than they are often like I blow things way out of proportion it's kind of a like thing about me but I'm for I'm really reading this honestly off this paper okay so 20 billion in assets under management before retiring to focus on philanthropy he remains as co-owner a co-owner co-owner as the company has continued to expand now overseeing close to 50 billion in assets he is also the primary investor and executive producer of Sound of Freedom. And this is what caught my

attention with this fellow first. Sound of Freedom is a independent film that became so widely spoken about really uncovering the basics of child pornography, child trafficking. And he personally played a key role in the rescue mission depicted in the film. So we talk a little bit about it in this episode. He is also the founder of the child liberation Foundation and liberating humanity and has led or played a key role in more than 70 undercover rescue missions across 15 countries of children and young humans. Through the foundations he has funded and the partnerships he supports, more than 7,000 children have been rescued. And current global prevention programs are now protecting over 10,000 children each month from trafficking.

What we drive into in this episode is interestingly talking about those who are who commit such atrocities and the trauma involved in many people who make choices that aren't awesome. And his take on, you know, instead of sort of pulling people out of the river, how did they get there? Let's go to the top of the river and sort of figure that out. he's a massive believer in psilocybin in the idea of like sort of changing um working with trauma from a body perspective he he was sort of um as you'll hear in this program you know developed the marketing side of a major mental health initiative years ago and um has now surrounded himself with some of the best experts um in this space and you know has developed

retreats and supports intervention and research in this regard. So again, I want you to just, you know, do your own research with respect to, you know, Paul's history and credibility. I, I was, I was wildly enamored by his take on things. And that's what I want to offer you here in this episode. You know, I think we need to talk about all kinds of things around here. This is what I love about Unlone. And, and I cannot wait to hear what you, what you think about this episode. Enjoy. Okay, listen, you've heard that beautiful intro, and I wanted to just double down on this. My goal for this third season of Unlone is to bring you some of the most incredibly

brilliant people, interesting humans, and I don't know of many more interesting, colorful humans than Paul Hutchinson. And I cannot wait for you to tell us a little bit about the thing that I want to talk about all the time is that nobody gets out of here alive. We all start in exactly the same place. We all end in exactly the same place. And one of the greatest, I think, contributions that I ever hope to give in my life on this short time here is how we get people back to this idea of humanity, that people all start in exactly the same place, race, gender identity, all a social construct. You embody that, Paul, in your most incredible work, sitting in Columbia in this moment,

can talk about, you know, I mean, Jesus, the founder of Child Liberation Foundation and liberating humanity, hundreds of thousands of people have benefited from your insight and wisdom. Can you, can you start with why? How did this become so incredibly important to you and how have you now raised and continue to contribute millions and millions of dollars in this space? I'm just, I mean, I don't even where to start, but I want you to start with how brilliant you are. I don't see myself as brilliant, but I will say this. I'm just finishing a book that my original title was,

Are You Listening with My Hand on My Heart? Not are you listening with the ear, but are you listening here? Because, you know, so many times people miss that connection, that connection to other people to really listen to the words behind the words, the emotion behind what they're saying, their body language. And beyond that, the energetic connection that we have with each other, with our divine creator, all of those things are things that we can tap into. And I led more than 70 undercover child rescue missions in 15 plus countries.

And the truth be known, we weren't following logic and protocol. In the darkest places on the planet, I truly believe we were being led to where the children were and what we needed to do and what we needed to say to keep our teams safe. So that's a whole different subject. Now, I will say what changed my life in that space, was one of the early rescue missions that I did. There was a little girl. In fact, we highlighted part of this in the movie Sound of Freedom.

I'm the primary investor and executive producer behind the movie Sound of Freedom became a worldwide hit. I'm super grateful. The number one independent film in the world. Phenomenal. We're going to link it. I need you to see it. It is life-changing to witness.

And if you want to learn more, the book Sound of Freedom is on Amazon and I'll send you a signed copy. Oh my gosh. You just have to have a copy. If you're not watching, you just, like, I mean, this guy is so good. He's like, whipping it. Here you, this is where it is. But honestly, like, I mean, again, I want you to continue there, but I just want to

double down on this. You know, Sound of Freedom is, as you said, an independent film and probably one of those things that if in this very busy, noisy world full of uncertainty, if you want to get back to what matters the most, the way that it is captured, you know, in this essence, in your essence, how you led people through this process, I got to tell you, it is, it is, it will give you hope in humanity and it is exactly what we need. So that, you know, in and of itself is, I think, a life accomplishment and it's only, you're just getting started.

So, so tell me more. Then, then what comes from that? Where are we, where are we headed? Well, and in terms of the movie, hundreds of millions of children are safer now because of it. And where it started, though, was, you know, I was with a chief. team in Cardahena, Columbia had identified a whole bunch of children who were being trafficked. And I was I was playing the role. I was playing the role of the buyer.

We were there with a bunch of operators. And they brought out this little girl. She was 11. And standing up, she wasn't any taller than I was sitting down. I was looking eye level with this child. And there was tear stains in her makeup face. And all I could see was fear and pain in those. eyes. And I made a promise at that moment to myself, to God, to that child, that I would dedicate

my life to eradicating that evil. Now, years later, you know, after 10 years of undercover work and fighting child trafficking, I recognize two things. Number one, there were more children being sold 10 years later than there was when I started. So if my goal was to eradicate that evil, I wasn't doing a very good job. It needed to have a global. awareness. We needed to have, we couldn't take millions of people to see what I had seen, but we could help millions of people feel what I had felt. And beyond that, and this is what gets into the core of your message. Beyond that, I recognize that the common thread with these traffickers wasn't earrings in their noses and tattoos on their necks. The common thread was

broken people. It was, it was arrogance. It was greed. It was greed. It was. It was lust. It was unhealed childhood trauma. It was hurt people hurting other people. Now, don't get me wrong. People say, oh, Paul, you're a you're a sympathizer. No, I've literally put my life in danger hundreds of times to ensure the safety of those children. But I realized that most of the traffickers were trafficked themselves.

Most of the perpetrators were abused as children. Now, doesn't give them a right to do that. But most of my undercover operators were also abused as children. And they grew up to be protectors. So what is the difference? Where does healing come from? What do we need to do? I recognize that we're never going to fix the problem pulling children out of hell.

We have to pull the hell out of humanity. Oh, say that one more time. Humanity heal. Once we help humanity, and the hell could come from a lot of places. It's not just, you know, pornography, addictions and stealing from people. It's that hell could be a self-help. It could be living in this state of pain because of what happened when you were seven. And here's the thing, too, most people, the average age of somebody speaking about what happened in abuse situations sexually as a child, the average age is 52 years old.

That's my age. I've raised my kids. I've built my career. And if somebody is holding onto the pain that long, it's coming out. It's coming out in addictions, anger issues, anxiety, depression. Broken relationships. You can't. Exactly.

There's very little opportunity to heal. Yeah. Yep. And so realizing that, I changed the focus from just doing child rescue missions to awareness and helping humanity heal. And it kind of brought us back to, you know, I'll, I'll. I'll touch on this. In my early 20s, I had a very successful company. It's a company that helped people overcome anxiety, depression, PTSD, addictions, childhood trauma.

We had what we call the cognitive restructuring, cognitive behavioral therapy program that we had on workbooks and audio programs. And we had 50,000 people a month calling on off of this infomercial to get help because so many people suffer. They suffer from depression. They suffer from anxiety and they suffer quietly. Nobody knows how difficult it is. And it's affecting every part of their life. And so fast forward when I was doing this work, I had undercover operators who 300 missions in Afghanistan and they were already dealing with PTSD.

And one mission with me seeing a menu with children's faces and prices. I mean, it just sent them over the edge. They just couldn't deal with life anymore. And so I had to go back into that space and say, okay, what do we need to do to help people heal so that we can really fix this problem? So that we can continue to do that work. And I think that's the thing that I really love the most about what, you know, how you had just sort of taken us through that is that like we often assume that it is sort of coming down, catching people at the bottom of the river. And, you know, not asking sore how did they get in the river, right? How do we go upstream to sort of fix this process?

And I think it's a system that we've done so badly in mental health. You know, we have lots of, you know, tertiary care places because, again, that needs to happen. But the question is really where and how and why does this start. And when you start to ask those questions, it sounds like condoning. It sounds like, you know, providing some forgiveness in that space. That's not it at all. This idea of not what's wrong with you, but what happened to you evokes in those.

of us trying to do effective work, it evokes this thing called empathy. And empathy is that lifeblood to be able to continue to do this work because it is the most horrific. And if you don't protect the people doing that work, then the system entirely takes over. So what I love is, you know, you sort of saying, now we knew that we were, you know, into this, we knew how important the work was. You saw that baby girl's eyes. And then you're like, okay, how do we get up higher in that river and hang on to the people making those decisions. What's happening to those people to bring them to want to orchestrate something like that that that little girl experience and hundreds and thousands of more? What have you learned the most in that in that place about undoing trauma,

intervening in those places, breaking that cycle? And where are you at right now? Because I know so much of your most recent work has been in implementing, developing, researching, programs to be most effective at sort of getting that thing. And on the heels of, and I'll just say this is kind of like a side way, on the heels of the Epstein files, when you can feel like, you know, are we making progress? Are we making progress? And then, you know, some of the major leaders and big voices in our land are represented in a place that just, you know, dehumanizes the most vulnerable. Um, the fight. has never been more critical. So I'm so interested in what you're learning, where you're

focusing your efforts, your brilliant efforts these days. Can you take me, can you take us through a bit of that? I will. In fact, I'll back up about 10 years. Got it. Got it. With my own story. I had some pretty successful exits. I mean, that company that helped people with anxiety depression. I sold it for $20 million and then invested in real estate and did well with that. And then I was doing child rescue missions, you know, and, and I got a phone call from two of my operators, Jimmy and Andy. Jimmy had done 13 missions with me. Andy had done 22. And they said, Paul, do you trust us? They said, yeah, I literally trust you with my life, you know, and we're out there. I'm in charge of talking. They're in charge of making try, don't die. They said,

You need to come to this healing retreat. And my exact words were, I don't need to heal. I'm Paul F. and Hutchinson, right? Everybody wants to be me. I am. I am the healer. Thank you.

I am. I've got this beautiful home. I've got lots of girlfriends. I have cars. I have helicopters. I have. I'm rescuing kids on the weekend. I mean, who could be cooler, right?

And they said, no, you do need to heal. You're on your, you just finish your second marriage. It went into another divorce. Your kids don't talk to you. you. You think that happiness is going to come from one more car, one more party, one more girl. And there are people all around you who see it and see how deeply unhappy you are, even though on the surface you're living this life.

And I went to this experience. And there was some doctor there, a trained facilitator, doing some breath work. and guided meditation and using some other tools we'll talk about. And, well, I'll just tell you, this doctor and the scientists that they were working with had been researching the proper use of psychedelics when it comes to trauma therapy, anxiety, depression, PTSD, and dealing with unimaginable egos like what I had. and this facilitator just brought me into this space. And, you know, I had been, I had thought my whole life that things like, you know, psilocybin

mushrooms, it's like, like they were super dangerous, like because they're, they're a schedule one drug like, you know, cocaine. And so I thought it was super dangerous. Well, the truth is psilocybin is safer than table sugar. There's never been a case of addiction, not one, ever, never been a case of overdose. Now, I'm not a fan whatsoever of somebody going to a rave party and getting high with their friends on mushrooms and I'll tell you why it's not only a bad idea it's dangerous and I'll explain it in a second after I tell you what happened to me so I went into this experience this

facilitator came in and was was asking me about my life and what was going on and then took me in to the most beautiful horrific experience of my life horrific because I I felt in every cell of my being I felt the pain that my children felt when I cheated on their mom, as if I was them. And then I felt the pain of, then I could, the pain of the ripple effect of my actions, the guy who came to my party and slept with a cheerleader and broke up his marriage. And a year later, his daughter ends up getting abused by the boyfriend or the little boy gets on drugs because he didn't have a father in the home because of the guy that came to my party because of my actions. And it was so profound.

And it was as real as if I was those people whose effect of my words and my actions had. And it was transformative in every way to the point where I started doing some deep research. Because I, 35 years ago, my company helped people overcome anxiety, depression, PTSD. It's 12 weeks with a personal coach, one to two hours a day. And even then, it didn't have the success that this had. And so I started trying to understand it and became a master facilitator with some others and funded a lot of research in this space. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because in the next two years, we will see the laws change in the U.S. And it's very important for responsible adults to understand what it is and what it isn't.

And so from a scientific standpoint, when we're little kids, we're in a zero to nine, 10 years old, we're in a state of hyper neuroplasticity. We're very impressionable. You can learn three or four languages at the same time that you're learning how to ride your bike and eat and everything else. Well, if something happens in that impressionable state, if your uncle does something super inappropriate, even something simple, your dad says, oh, you look ugly of blue, whatever it is, if that many times they'll get embedded in our subconscious mind. And if you imagine our subconscious, kind of like a brick of gold, right? And in neuroplasticity state, it's in flow state.

But if those things happen, sometimes they get deeply embedded in that brick of gold. and then it hardens, and then 95% of our life is being run by this subconscious mind. And we don't know. We're trying to figure out, why do I keep attracting the same relationships? Why do I keep rolling back into this negative self-talk and worry and what if thinking and negative expectations? All of these things are plaguing me. Why?

Because there's things that are embedded in that brick of gold in that subconscious mind. And it takes to change it, you know, takes a chisel for 21 days to create a new habit, right, trying to break through some things. And even there, it's difficult. If we could figure out a way to turn it back into flow state, that neuroplasticity, then a trained facilitator can go in and surgically remove those embedded toxins, those things that were there from your uncle and what happened. And as I started getting deep into it, I recognized the power of it.

And so we started working on paying for a lot of studies to be done, starting to change the laws, etc. A current administration, I'm in contact with a few of them. RFK has said that he is going to help decriminalize these tools, but it's vitally important they're used in the right way. Because if you, in that neuroplasticity state, very impressionable, if you go to a rave party with your friends and there's an orgy gong over there, there's rap music here, somebody yelling at their girlfriend over here, and you're in that state of neuroplasticity, those things could get implanted into your subconscious mind and it can be dangerous, not just a bad idea. And so having the right facilitator, the right environment, the right music, the right

intention coming in, we started bringing in veterans who had PTSD already and we helped them through that. We've had women who 42 years on SSRIs, that anxiety, depression, medication, that the grandkids It's called them zombie grandma and being able to help them break through it. And for me, it was so transformational because it put a mirror in front of me. And I recognized that the common thread with all these traffickers of arrogance and greed and lust and unhealed childhood trauma, that was looking back at me in the mirror. And I wasn't doing anything illegal. I was helping children, not hurting them.

But at the same time, how was that unheeled version of me showing up and affecting other people? You could do a really good job of helping everybody else, but you certainly were unkind at best to the people you love the most. And not an uncommon pattern, you know, when we sort of understand or believe deep in our prefrontal cortex is that, you know, you're going to get hurt. So you protect that part of it. And I think in the clinical space, you know, there's there is. some research and certainly in its embassy stage about supporting the use of psychedelics. I'm so fascinated by it. I'm a huge believer in things like EMDR and ART, the therapies that, you know, sort of instead of kind of talking through your experiences, they really get into

the physiological state in which they occurred. And some of our greatest, I think, contributors in the space like Bessel van der Kolk and, you know, Gabormante talk about it's not what happened to you. It's what happens inside of you as a result of what happens to you. that determines your experience of trauma. And I think some of the assistance in this way, when we get into sort of a state or we can be assisted in getting into that state, that's not the end game. The end game then becomes who and how you deal with that experiences,

you know, as sort of you're saying. And I'm fascinated by it. I think that, you know, far too many people suffer for far too long, you know, and we have an inaccessibility to mental health, you know, good mental health supports at the best of times, you know, we've never seen this level of anxiety and depression and, you know, suicidal ideation and completion. And we're at a time where we've never had this much access to resources. So like what in the name is going on? And I really love, you know, some of this work. And I, what I'm so interested in to, you know,

you've done so much work in this philanthropic space of, you know, earning money, becoming wealthy, and then doing good with it and for it. Like, how do you build wealth while creating meaningful change? Like, that's your superpower, I would say. And I want to just, you know, step back into that a little bit. But can you answer that for me? You know, what is your secret? I believe that the secret is actually tied together more than people understand.

In my early 20s, one of my mentors, he said, Polly said, the average person donates 2% of their annual income to charity. He said, if you make a decision today that that number isn't 2%, it's closer to 10, even 20%, he said, your ability to create massive wealth will be so much easier. He said, you can call it karma, you can call it blessings from God, you can call it the university. He says, call it whatever you want to.

There's a higher power very interested in us doing good. And so I started testing it. early, early on my career. And I remember I was earning $2,000 a month. And I'm like, okay, if I want to, I want to make a money. I want to co-create with God. Yeah, how does this work? You know, it's isn't a religious thing.

This is an energetic thing. And so I was, I was finding things to give $400 away every month, right? I was donating the guy at the side of the street asking me for drug money. You know, I didn't know where it was going. But over time, I recognized, okay, I don't know what decisions those guys made to get to they are. I'm sure there was some, a lot of challenges, but I chose to start focusing on the truly innocent, on children, a nine-year-old who's in a position completely outside of any choices she made. So, you know, her, she, I, I was on the Make a Wish board of directors in our

area for seven years. And, um, that was the incoming chairman for Make a Wish when I switched over to focusing on, on child trafficking. But I, I, um, I, um, um, I, um, um, um, um, I was the incoming chairman for make a But I back up and I say, okay, now how does somebody become as successful as I was in business? Well, you're not a University of Utah dropout. That's what I am. The statistical probability of me being where I am is very, very low. My last company I sold had 4,000 employees when I retired and I started the company. That doesn't happen from a University of Utah dropout.

The only way I can understand it is that I chose to make a massive impact in the lives of others. Even fast forward when we were doing charity work with the child trafficking world, there was an influencer named Glenn Beck. He had a huge audience and he wanted to launch his anti-child trafficking campaign from Bangkok, Thailand. And it was going to cost six figures to get him and his old team and everybody else out there to make it all work. And he had millions of followers. So I knew that it would make an impact. But at the time, the foundation we were working with had a bunch of grandmas that were donating $5 a month.

That was kind of sacred money. And so I decided, you know what, I'll write that check myself. So I wrote the check. You know, I flew there to Thailand and back 100 grand and got all this filming and stuff done. On the way back, as the wheels touched down in the U.S., I had two voicemail messages pop up on my phone. One of them was a family member from one of the largest owners of hotels in the world. And he said, Paul, I've been looking at the numbers. I want to put another $10 million invested with you in this senior housing fund.

And then the other one was from the guys who managed the money for one of the largest gas station chains in the country with even a bigger number. And my income from those two voicemail messages, multiples exceeded what I had just put out. I tell people, I'm not that charitable. I just need help running my companies. and there's a higher power that does a better job. And so that's the truth. That's the truth is that I believe that in the beginning, I thought I wanted to become wealthy so I could be charitable.

I didn't realize that I should be charitable so that I could become wealthy, not just financially, but in every area of my life. I love that so much. Be charitable to become wealthy. And I think you're right. We think about that, you know, from a financial perspective, but I think you know, we often use different words to describe that like kindness, you know, how much do you give away? What does that do for you? And, you know, we talk a lot around here, around, you know,

about just how lonely we are and how isolated, despite the fact that we'd never have this much access to connection. You know, 50% of all kids, this adolescent age would say in the last seven days, I don't know if anybody cares about me. And when we kind of give permission to all of us as humans to step back in just a little bit, you know, to acknowledge each other, to, you know, as you say, sort of give it away a little bit. I think we've so underestimated how often it comes back, three, four, five fold. And I think that, you know, if the, I don't know, like, if the motivation is you're going to get richer financially, then okay, I'll take it. But also know that what happens when you start to give it away a little bit more is that,

it actually sometimes serves you better than it serves anybody who receives it, because we don't have any control over that necessarily. But the more it fuels you, one sweet person at a time, is really where I think we're at in this world, right? Because we're so overwhelmed and exhausted by the news, by access to all of the things that are so dysregulating. Most of us don't even pee before we check our phones in the morning and file through things that are multiply, you know, cortisol-inducing bullshit.

And then we are expected to be good. we're expected to find goodness people are like shut up i'm not being nice to anybody and so it's it's this interesting cycle and what have you what have you noticed like two things what are you scared about the most what what keeps you up at night right now like even from a global perspective let's start there and then and then we're going to get into the hope side of things i'll i'll put it this way um for tens of thousands of years people believe that there would be a time where we would go through a time of great turmoil and then a thousand years of peace or whatever. I think we're there.

And yes, the world does need to cleanse to be able to get to that place. But God's not just going to come back and wave his hand and we're all going to be nice to each other. We've got to do the work. And we've got to drain the swamp. This thing with Epstein is front and center. And I truly believe that the success of our movie, the success of Sound of. freedom is fueling the good people today who are standing up against that that bullshit. Children are not for sale and should never be used in manipulative situations to control the

votes of other people. And that's really what's going on there. And so I believe that the truth will be unveiled. And I believe when it does, there's going to be some civil unrest. And it's going to be significant, but the light at the end of that tunnel is going to be beautiful. And because that's when we get rid of our leaders who are involved in this kind of stuff. This is when we cleanse humanity. I believe that humanity is at a state where we're going to see a global elevation of human consciousness. And we're a part of that. And that's super beautiful. So that's exciting to me. And it's, it keeps me up at night a little bit in kind of watching when when the dominoes are going to fall but in the end it's all going to be good and and i'm good with that now in terms of you know you're talking about

the some of the mental health crisis of lonely people and and people who just don't want to do the good with others it starts with the man and woman in the mirror that's where everything starts if you cannot love your neighbor until you love yourself people think think, oh, I love my kids so much, but then they talk shit about themselves. No, you can't do that. You cannot love another person when you're, when you are filled with negative self-talk and worry and what if thinking and negative expectations, all this crap. And so it starts with loving the person in the mirror, respecting the person in the mirror, and helping that person step into their highest and best self. I love the short story of the man that's sitting on a couch and his little

boy comes in and says, Daddy, Daddy, I want to play baseball. And he's reading the newspaper. He's Oh, you know, I'm busy right now. Okay, comes back a few minutes later. Daddy, it's a beautiful day outside. Please can we play baseball? And he turns the page of the newspaper. And there's an advertisement that has a picture of a map of the world on it. And he has an idea.

He tears out this map, he tears it up into a little pieces of paper and he throws it on the floor. He says, son, you need to learn your geography. You go get some tape. You tape together every single country, every single ocean, everything exactly where it's supposed to be. As soon as you do that, I'm going to go out and play ball with you. He goes back reading his newspaper. Well, like, he thinks it's going to take an hour. About five minutes later, the little boy comes back and it's perfect.

He says, how did you do that? And a little boy turned, he says, there was a picture of a man on the other side. I just put the man together and the whole world came together. That's the answer to the riddle right there. It's starting with ourselves. You want to be a good mom to your kids? Start with loving you. Start with healing what you need to heal.

You want to be a good dad that doesn't pass on that trauma that your dad abused you with? Start with taking the time to heal that trauma. Don't just say it stops here. No, get deep down inside, that man on the couch, that man in the mirror. Let's figure out how to heal that. You're addicted to pornography. You're taking a divine feminine and turning her into an object and thinking that's okay, guys. Now, don't get me wrong.

Everybody who's listened to us has probably seen pornography. It doesn't mean you're going to become a child trafficker. But every one of these guys started out with a hardcore addiction. And that addiction led to something harder, just like a hardcore drug. And they needed something harder to have that same fix. And pretty soon, for some of them, harder was a little bit younger and little. Pretty soon they're fantasizing about something they wouldn't even thought was attractive five years ago, creating a tsunami of demand. And so it's so important that whatever it is, our addictions to alcohol, our addictions to money, our addictions to pornography, our lack of ability to release that childhood trauma, our anxiety, depression.

anger issues, these are things that if we start with the man or woman in the mirror, then we can put the whole world together. Oh, I love that. I love that. Why is it so hard for us as humans to look in the mirror? Why? I mean, why? Why? Because we know everything about us. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I had a, I had, we were on one of our, um, one of our, our healing journey experiences. And there was a, there was a man that was there was there was a man that was there and I was sitting and talking to him. Now, this guy put into perspective, he had, he had two Ferraris and a Lambo. I mean, he was, he was doing well in the outside world. We're sitting there and he said, Paul, he says, can I tell you a secret? I said, yeah, tell me. He said, I haven't looked in the

mirror for five years. I have not looked at my own face for more than five years. And I, I, I, talked to him a little bit about the whys and stuff. And finally, I says, okay, can we do one tonight? Let's let's go look in the mirror. He says, oh, no, I'm not going to do it. He says, I'll be there with you. So we went into the bathroom area had a huge mirror in there and we're standing there. And I had, I have his best friend that was there with him. And we both stood behind him. He was looking down and slowly we had him look up. And then once we did that, I said, okay, now I want you to say, his name was Jordan. I said, I want you to say, I love you, Jordan. He goes, oh, I can't do that. He look back down. And I says, okay, let's let's just start with,

I like you, Jordan. And he looked back up. And we got him doing that. I like you, Jordan. Then we moved it to I love you, Jordan. And then me and Jeremy, who were there right behind him, we said, okay, now we're going to have it just be you. And we'll stand just outside the door. But in your mirror, you're just going to see you.

And he stood there for the next 15 or 20 minutes, pouring love into himself. And the next day when we did our integration, we were talking about things. And he said, I want to thank Paul for introducing me to my new best friend. the man in the mirror. Cool. Because we know everything about ourselves. That's why it's so hard to look. And I think we work so hard not to.

You know, we fill it with money and things and addiction and, you know, the things that feel easier, better, faster. my one of the things I think about these days is that we we've never had this many opportunities for distraction we've never had this many opportunities to look away there's so many exit ramps huh and the discipline of connection is going to be I think our greatest challenge because it feels better it's easier not to and tell me a little bit about where to from here Paul as as the world gets more uncertain as we're living in this I mean I think very exciting time. And, you know, I would agree in so many, I've never had this much hope

for humanity because the bar is so fucking low right now. You don't actually hope to be great. So I just think it's going to be really easy. But I, but I'm like, where to from here? You know, not only in your own work, but, you know, what would you advise, you know, the general human? How can we make an impact these days? Here's where I see it. I have to be careful here because I'm very careful. connected with my creator, but I think that there's a lot of the challenges we deal with that have come from thousands of years of fear-based dogma. And when we live our life filled with guilt and shame and judgment and separation, it's no wonders we can't look in the mirror because we can't forgive ourselves because if God doesn't forgive me, why would I forgive me type thing.

And this energy of this low frequency, fear-based, division-based, guilt, shame-based energy is what's creating a lot of the challenges that we see. And so I truly believe that healing starts with self-love and then continues from there in changing, once we can see the person in the mirror as the powerful, beautiful, loving being of infinite love and light that they are, then we can start seeing that divinity and others as well. And once we see that, once I remove the judgment-based divisions that we all have,

and I don't see myself as better than somebody else because of my gender, my skin color, my income level, anything. Once I see them for the beauty that they are, then I'm not going to do all of these world. I'm not going to take from them. I'm not going to hurt them. All of these things start dissipating away from the future that we see. Liberating humanity started with the child liberation foundation was helping children release them from physical bondage. And then I realized that more than that, we need to liberate adults from emotional bondage. And that's what that liberation is. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not anybody's rescuer anymore. I'm not rescuing kids. I'm not, I'm sure as hell not rescuing adults, but I can give them the tools they need to rescue themselves, to save themselves.

I can, I can point them in the direction and write the books. I have a, I have a book on, you know, I have the sound of freedom. I have one that's coming out in a few months called Your Infinite Well. the golden age of conscious capitalism. It talks about how you can create wealth for your family, for generations to come, and it doesn't have to be in a dog-eat-dog world and a competition of scarcity mentality. It can be a true win-win-win. It can be a value-for-value. You can do it in line with the principles of abundance that are everywhere.

The universe is one of growth and infinite expansion. It's expansion faster than any of us can even comprehend. the systems are set up for expansion and growth. We don't have to be living in this contractual fear-based, scarcity-based, division-based energy. And I believe that's where the world is going. And it's super exciting to be a part of it. Oh, I've never been more grateful to be alive in this season. And I often try to reflect these days, you know, is this is, I mean, in my position of

privilege, it's easy to sort of say, you know, look for abundance and, you know, be prepared to do those things. And I think for sure it comes with a sense of, you know, emotional regulation within. And I often talk about, you know, to your point, can we, the starting point is always going in. The starting point is always, I mean, it's so much easier to be like, okay, if the government was different. If we had more funding, if we lived in a different place, if there wasn't, you know, and those conversations are very real and very welcome all the time. And it always comes back to, I use this example quite often when people would, you know,

their children, they'd be worried about their children. So they would come to me and be like, okay, can you see my kid? Like we're going through a divorce. My kid's a disaster or like they're cutting. I'm worried about their safety. I think they got the ADHD. Like, can you see my kid? And I would be like, oh my gosh.

Yes, I'd love to assess your child. But I need to see you first. And they would be like, do you think I'm the problem? And I would like gently nod my head and be like, no. No. But the truth is you're the solution. Yeah. And if we have access to one thing, it is somebody coming to the table that says,

is what can we do with this mess? I feel overwhelmed. I feel sad. I feel anxious. I feel depressed. Can you fix it? And I think the question isn't, you're not the problem.

You're the solution. So how do we settle in first? And some of this work around psychedelic, some of this work around, you know, deep trauma work is really about regulating the nervous system. So from a scientific perspective, I know that that's coming back home

to the best parts of us is going to be the greatest work I think of this next generation because we haven't learned it well. Women tend to be more equipped with that experience or that the verbiage because historically we've been nurturers and we have a deeper emotional language which, you know, settle, breathe, calm, I got you. Versus let's fucking go. I'm fine.

You're good? Everybody's good. You know? So that emotional language is necessary to regulate that nervous system. And so being in and around places that model that because you can't tell anybody how to calm down. You've got to show them. and being around communities, following people who understand that perspective, you know,

is so critically important, I think, in this next generation. And then we give it away in that order. And you put that on relentless repeat. I truly do believe that it's as easy as that. And, you know, your work over the years has just simply demonstrated that, right? When you hold on to the people in those moments doing that hard and holy work, if you look after them well, they will continue to be able to serve. And you can do it.

I mean, as you demonstrated in the beginning of your life, you can do it. You can flat out go get all the lamboes you want fucking be like a house on fire, you know, and that's not fair. That's, I mean, whatever. And then it's like, okay, if I want to continue in this way and find any, any growth, any, any goodness in this acquisition, I have to come home first. And you really just have represented. so much of, I think, what so many people would love to be able to do.

So your work is remarkable. What's next for you? Do we have any more movies coming up? I mean, the next book coming out. My wife is going to be in a movie with Hallie Berry and a couple other pretty big stars. It's called Red Card. It's also in the anti-trafficking, but it's highlighting the, the labor trafficking of kids that come from places like Africa and others in hopes of,

you know, being a star here, et cetera. And so it's got a great script. I think that's going to go well. Beyond that, I have the Infinite Wealth Book coming out in a few months and then the Are You Listening one that will be coming out soon. And beyond that, we're expanding our healing retreats. people can go to, you know, LiberatingHumanity.com and learn about how to keep your children safe, get access to the books and stuff, but also learn about the retreat space. And it's super important that if you are going down that road, that you find somebody who is trained, you know, find a real trained therapist, trained facilitators who understand how to do it right and how to work with the medicine in a way that is going to be for the,

absolute best of where you are. And I think two to five years from now, once the laws have changed, there will be a lot of therapists and psychiatrists in the U.S. who will learn how to use some of these tools to create that temporary state of neuroplasticity and then be able to bring their training in combination there. So I'm super excited about that as well. And I can see it. I can see it. I can see it. And can you tell me, just real quick, I'm so fascinated about your healing retreats. Can you tell me a little bit more about those? Because primarily based in Columbia right now, is that right?

Yeah, we've done them in Mexico and Peru and other places throughout Latin America. We, before the movie came out, I did some in places like Colorado and Oregon, and there are places there. But ours, we don't just do a one and done, a one day type thing. Our minimum is a three-day, four-night experience. Our full deep dive is a full week long. And we start out with what we call a heart-opening exercise. We use cacao, which is chocolate. We live on a chocolate farm.

I literally, we bought a chocolate factory with 200 cacao trees and 40 avocado trees and 80 banana trees. and a river coming through the middle and little cabins around. It's super beautiful. And so people will come and then that first day, it's a lot of journaling, it's some exercises, it's some workshops. And then we do the heart opening. It's about a four-hour experience with some shamans that are down here. There's a gal by the name of Maria who is just a beautiful soul inside and out.

And she's just a young lady who does all of the cacao and the roses and just, gets you to fall in love with yourself because everything has to start with that high frequency of self-love. And then the next day, depending on whether it's a three-day or a seven-day, we use some other tools. One is called combo and one is called Bufo, which is a shorter experience, about a 15-minute. But the combo is a detox of because the body holds a score. Your body holds on physically to a lot of emotional trauma. And so we help release that. And then the Bufo is, I like to say it takes everything that is finite and makes it infinite. Or you literally experience infinite love, infinite space, infinite power, infinite connection with everything. And it kind of

tears these walls off of all the finite things because that's what causes so much stress is the finite everything. I'm here in my own house. I'm by myself, I only have this much money, I only have this much time, and everything is finite. But when you truly understand the infinite of everything, then all of a sudden you see life from a new perspective. And then the next day, there's, there's 180 different strands of psilocybin. A lot of people think, oh, yeah, we're good mushrooms with my friends. You know, they do very different things. It's you have to have trained therapists and psychiatrists who understand and facilitators who understand what to use.

and where. And so that that next day is all about breaking up, breaking up addictions, breaking, breaking, cutting cords with, with negative self-talk and worry and what if thinking and negative expectations, all of these things. So the exercises that we do, the meditations that we do, and then the type that the strands of psilocybin that we use are all designed to release everything that doesn't serve the highest and best version of you. Then the next day is, all about embrace. It is journaling and identifying the highest and best version of you,

identifying the areas that you want to step into. And then the type of psilocybin that we use is one that connects you with that and helps you. I can put you in front of a mirror in that space and have you go through your positive affirmations and they will stick because of the neuroplasticity that's going on at the time. And we've released everything else. And boom, now you're stepping into that and you're seeing it. You're seeing being that, that, that mother who's present with your kids. You're seeing that being that man who's loyal to your wife. You're seeing that and you're stepping into it and you're embracing that best version of you. And then, and then we do a bunch of integration the next two days. Yeah, you're not excited about it at all.

You're not, you're not passionate about it. Like there's no belief in your system about it. Paul, I find that so fascinating. And I mean, I love that, you know, do your own research, figure out, you know, how this works for you and whether it's a fit. But I really just, I love that there is people exploring how we just release some of our pain, how we, you know, can live in this very short time that we're here in, in ways that, you know, we can integrate some of our experiences that so, for so long have been stuck for so many of us.

So, so thank you for that. I am, what an honor. What an honor to speak to you, to learn from you, to introduce you to this community. And I really, I really cannot wait to see what's next for you because I think, you know, you're like at 52, but I feel like you're just getting started. So, so thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Jody. I'm incredibly grateful that you took the time to build your audience and have credibility with them and then trusted me to share with them. It really means a lot. I tell people that, you know, back at the time, of Abraham Lincoln when we were dealing with slavery. It wasn't guys like me. It wasn't the guys who rescued the slaves that created the biggest difference. It was people like you. It was Harriet Beecher Stowe who wrote Uncle Tom's Tabbin. It was the podcast of the age, right? That created an awareness

with good people of what was going on in the South. In fact, years later, when Abraham Lincoln met her, he shook her hand. He said, so you're the little lady that wrote the book that started the Civil War. And so today I honor you for doing the work to build the audience, to have the credibility with them. And I'm incredibly grateful that you trusted me with your audience today. Thank you. Oh, I love it. I love it. Okay.

And to you, audience, thank you for being here. I hope wherever you are today, you're looking after yourself and you're leaning on each other. And I can't wait to meet you right back here next time. You know, the more we do this, people ask, why do you have to do the acknowledgement? and every episode. I've never been more grateful for being able to raise my babies on a land where so much sacrifice was made.

And I think what's really critical in this process is that the ask is just that we don't forget. So the importance of saying these words at the beginning of every episode will always be of utmost importance to me and this team. So everything that we created here today for you happened on Treaty 7 land, which is now known as the center part of the province of Alberta.

It is home of the Blackfoot Confederacy, which is made up of the Sikika, the Kainai, the Pekini, the Tatina First Nation, the Stony Dakota First Nation, and the Métis Nation Region 3. Our job, our job as humans, is to simply acknowledge each other. That's how we do better, be better, and stay connected to the good. The Unloanly podcast is produced by three incredible humans, Brian Siever, Taylor McGilvery, and Jeremy Saunders, all of Snack Lab productions. Our executive producer, my favorite human on this planet, is Marty Pillar. Soundtracks were created by Donovan Morgan, Unloney branded artwork created by Elliot Cuss,

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