Unpaid And Underrated - 077 : Macro Tractor

Episode Date: October 29, 2024

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Lucas They dive right into great topics like AI music, jam bands, The Browns and the Bills, CrossFit, and Canadian Gym Drama. Links Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab (https://www.massenomics.com/shop/unpaid-underrated-tee) Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast (https://www.instagram.com/unpaid.underrated.podcast/) Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/) On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast) Our Guest On Instagram @lucaslikestoliftthings (https://www.instagram.com/lucaslikestoliftthings/) Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 (https://www.instagram.com/keithhoneycutt73/) or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar (https://www.instagram.com/thenowhinecellar/) @joey_mleczko (https://www.instagram.com/joey_mleczko/) Special Guest: Big Lucas.

Alright, alright, alright. Hey everybody, welcome to episode 716, 5885 and 55 of the Unpaid and underrated podcast. I am one of the hosts, Big Joey, and I am joined by you guys know him as Big Keith. Howdy, howdy. And of course we have big is it Lucas or we going with Luke? What are we doing? I think don't we already have a big loop? So I'll be big. Yeah, we don't want to we don't want to have more than one person with one name in the discord that would go. Yeah. And that would be Babylon. So that's, that's enough. There's way too many David's.

Just a couple. All right. Um, dive right in. I'm, I'm drinking a beer. I'm opening a new warehouse. It isn't been interesting because I'm doing still my job without talking to customers. But dealing with like people that are. Not customers is almost more stressful because like the electrician and then. So. Yeah, yeah, I rushed home, cracked a beer and jumped on this podcast. I pretty much made it by the skin of my penis. What are you guys drinking?

Penis there that was not the word. I expected you to say there. I was going I was gonna go with teeth, but I mean, okay Wegmans bubbly as always shit Wegmans orange that is no I'm not fucking Wegmans bubbly. That's not the same thing What do you got Lucas? I'm starting tonight Brent my Rochester, Rochesterian here. If you're from here, you know this is called a well, there's a couple of names. Screamer is one of them. My father told me they used to call them the green death, but a Genesee cream now from the Genesee brewery that is right down the street from my house.

Fresh, fresh and local. I have my strong and silly shirt on today because it's a good shirt. That's how I feel lately, strong and silly. I got the Lift Hard Live Easy 2 Jason Skull Mask shirt rocking that tonight. I'm double-buffed. I've got the Lift Christmas shirt, which this is, I don know. This is I feel like this is a deep cut. Like I don't even know how many days that they put out. But I have it and I wear it, you know, four times every year pretty much. And then I also have my my blue Jefferson deadlift underneath. Nice. All right. underneath. Oh nice. Alright. Keith, you go ahead. You've got the general topics today. You've added more to it than I ever have. We got a lot of, we got a lot of stuff which I won't try to, try not to dabble on everything too long but uh big thanks to Scott Dodds. He did a little

under, unpaid and underrated anthem as I think is he labeled it, threw that up on YouTube and shared it in the discord and Instagram and it was uh you know basically celebrating you celebrating our podcast and our achievement of whatever 75 plus episodes. I'm assuming he did an AI song, but he had to put a lot of input into it because it wasn't an AI song that I don't think there was repeated lyrics. If there were, it was minimal.

There wasn't a melody that kept coming around or anything. It was just fucking just like three minutes of just new people's names and a couple zingers at me and you that I Really enjoyed was it it was uh? You can't say words, and I think I'm funny something to that extent and I was just like oh, yeah fuckers So that was awesome appreciate you big Scott. I just want to say thank you for not making it a country song I just want to say thank you for not making it a country song. I do like our I will always consider there's just too many AI country songs. And that was the first thing Morgan said.

I was like, Oh, you got to hear the new unpaid and underrated song. She's like, is it country again? And I was like, actually, no, it was like, I feel like the AI country songs are probably easier to do because there's so much feeding into it. You know, I feel like the actual written ones are AI Yeah, it's it's it you know, it all sounds the same nowadays, right? It does all sound the same Our good friend Mathias went viral again. Oh see pappy with his uh, I don't know. He was squatting for 500 pound You know, I don't even think it was a heavy set for him More than I can fucking squat and literally right as he's like, unracked it, his fucking cat jumps on him,

crawls up and just fucking digs in right in his pecs. And I'm like, and you can you can see you can see like the the I don't know. Maybe I'm imagining it, but like I can envision like the nails just digging into his pecs and his face just going like motherfucker. But then he just dunks his squat just beautifully and then rack, you know So just completed a squat with the cat on him and I mean his cats are always on him But I've never seen it like kind of dig in like that, you know, I'm sure unintentionally But it was just like it was fucking you know, 12 pounds a cat just hanging off his pecs as he's squatting

I'm like, oh that's got a fucking hurt Yeah, the cat jumped up and gave him a three stitches nipple twister right in the middle of that heavy squat. But I, uh, you know, his, his post had like a fucking a million views or something or hundreds of thousands. And I've seen it get reshared and clipped and edited by several different other pages that just showed up in my feed. So that's always cool to see for him. And I've tried to go out of my way to like make a, make a comment or tag him and everything, especially if I hate it,

when people reshare your shit and don't tag the og kind of person So I always try to you know, throw his name out there if anyone sees it Like the two things that go well, not most viral but have high likelihood cats and lifting heavy things cats and lifting So yeah, and he's he's had a few videos of like that combo and has really gone off So and he's got he's got you know, I think they have, what they say, like, like they have multiple, they have like a half dozen cats, but I think only one is really like all over him in the gym. But it was fun to see.

Um, that was definitely the highlight of my Instagram viewing. And then we had the, what I would say the low light was, uh, Joey's, um, former, you know, friend and idol, not really idle, but a good old Canadian Mike Van Wick. You've talked about Mike. I think you've said I want someone to factor. I think Joey said Mike Van Wick more than I've said. Yeah, I don't know any any other word, penis or cunt or whatever the fuck I say. Oh, there's no way that's not possible.

I know. You have definitely out of the 70 whatever episodes you said Mike Van Wick at least 10 times Yeah, so obviously, you know that was a Greg nipper nep nipper Whatever the fuck Jeff Jeff nipper. Yeah that guy, you know, there was a lot of Yeah, obviously the the back and forth there and just the you know essential assault I don't care if anyone anyone that sells a video and calls it anything other than assault, like it's an assault. So fuck you, Mike, douche move. And I was glad to see got kicked out of the gym and you know, got charges pressed against you.

Yeah. Um, you know, I, it was interesting because at first, cause I've, you know, I w I, I, well, it kind of was a fan of Mike. I've unfollowed him now because I actually didn't see that one video he did That he must have fell off my algorithm. So I finally had to unfollow the guy but Ultimately, yeah, the retaliation is way over the top At the same time the discord knows I'm not Mike Van Wick right like you guys are aware of that But I didn't do that But on the other hand I don't know who Jeff Nippard is. I didn't. Okay. The only the that guy is only famous

in my head right now for getting punched out by Mike Van Wick. And I gotta say, this is probably what's going to make me unpopular with a lot of people. The video that I watched that Jeff did in response to Mike, the only reason everybody's saying it was so nice and polite is because all his fans are saying it was that video was full of subliminal disses. That video was just, you know, he was nice in the video, but he said some, some shit to the 300 pound gorilla across the gym and Mike has always said very plainly if you say something to me be prepared. He said it on table talk. He said it all like So the level of retaliation was too high but influencers getting

Influenced by another influencer ultimately Gives a fuck. I genuinely don't care. I unfollowed Mike. I never followed Jeff. It was that easy for me. Yeah, no, I can agree with a lot of that. I just in general, like I I'm just not a fan of putting your hands on people in general, like I don't I don't

he could have told him his mother was a fucking whore and he still can't put your hands on someone. Oh, no, absolutely. I don't. But at the at the same time, like you get these kids that do pranks in malls. Oh God, no, those. And one of those kids gets punched in the face and you're like, yeah, I deserved it. But then Jeff Reffered releases a video mocking a 300 pound gorilla and he gets punched out

and we're all like, oh, that's the worst. So it's just influencers did influencer shit. And now, you know, Mike is Mike's kicked out. So he's cooked. He'll find another gym somewhere. We had the prison cell and I have I'm sure he'll pay a small fine and maybe get like community service. And I don't know. Is Canada actually more harsh on?

Well, he is Canadian, but was this in Canada? Yeah. Yeah. How did I pure muscle? Oh, I don't. I don't know what that is. Yeah. So pure muscle is the gym. Pure muscle is the famous gym. It's where Jeff and Mike work out. And I was at Jeff.

I was at the other warehouse. I was at the other warehouse, and I actually there was a lady walking by in a Olympia shirt. And then I was like, you go to pure muscle. Were you there? I was just pulling them aside. I was like, do you know, like, how is the how is everything down there? And she's just like, it's bad. It's bad down there right now. So is that, is that Toronto? Yeah, you're like, okay. Yeah. It's, it's

actually Mississauga. So my old, it was, it was about 40, 40 minutes away from the warehouse I worked at. Okay. Yeah. I grew up in Buffalo, so I know that side of the border and my brother looks over there now. So yeah, yeah, pure muscles. Right. And it's in between Oakville and Mississauga. I've been there once. Nice. The whole thing seemed kind of silly to me and not in the fun, silly goose way.

You know, no, just I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. I don't, I know who Jeff is mostly because I like followed, um, you know, like Eric Helms and like knuckles and those guys, and he's kind of in that bat sphere somewhat, but it's, you know, I don't know, people, people seem to like Jeff Knifford, but he's very much, you know, like that Natty bodybuilding like scene, you know, and he's like five three, I think. Five three hundred and sixty pounds. Good at what he does.

But like I've always I've said it to Keith. I don't care how morally correct you are. The punch in the face is going to hurt. So you should be careful what you say. I punched myself in the face of the fucking box at work today. And it hurt like a son of a bitch. Just take it in the face is gonna hurt so you should be careful what you say I Punch myself in the face with a fucking box at work today And it hurt like a son of a bitch just take her in the fucking nose it might van wick yourself, right? Yeah, I've cooked myself now. It was gonna come after me I don't fucking know Jeff never

So speaking of what what we do know about was Mastinomics and the Mastinomics drops that we get every now and then and there was a big one today a four item drop they had two pairs of the new the new style shorts with the Masanomics clothing department logo one in green and one in blue a new Big and bulky shirt. I think that's a head of they call it the sand the sand print or whatever with the Masanomics across between the nipples and a khaki tan hoodie that the hoodie cracked me up because it's just got the Mastinomics logo and the breast

The smaller one and then it's got Mastinomics apparel something or other Brought, you know since or it's either established or since forever I know I can whatever whatever the term is or however they like worded it It's just like we've been here forever and it just made me chuckle. So established or since forever. Whatever the term is or however they word it, it's just like, we've been here forever. And it just made me chuckle. So anybody, anybody else just check any of that out

and put anything on the wish list yet or add it to the cart? I did see the post from Tanner just before getting on in the Discord and looked and I pretty much want to buy everything except for the t-shirt. So that's that's fun. And I'm I'm happy because I missed the swatch shorts because I wasn't at Lyft or live easy. So I didn't get that. Are you? Well, I did by the time I knew I could buy them.

They were sold out my size. What do you want me to do? No, no, no, I know. I was busting your chops for not coming out. Well, I could add a whole Rochester contingent contingent contingent Your suitcase next time you can put me in there and I can just like wrap myself in your lifting gear I could probably fit Jeff nipper out there, but I don't know about you Lucas. I was thinking the same thing Don't say anything cuz he's gonna come throat punch you now.

I mean, I wonder if Mike got, so I wonder if Van Wick actually got more followers or lost a ton of followers, because there's so many people that are like, oh yeah, fuck that guy, punch him in the face, ha ha ha. So they're gonna follow Mike, because they're just like,

that like just really goofy fucking, just, I don't know, your typical bro that thinks that that just really goofy fucking just I don't know your typical bro that links it that's okay to do I guess versus like how many people that already followed Mike did unfollow him like I don't know I'm curious if it actually helped him. I don't know I unfollowed him because he posted some pretty I didn't even see it it was the one actually that power wire talked about and yeah and I was like shit I didn't even see it. It was the one actually that powered wire talked about. And so, oh yeah, yeah, I did. Yeah. And I was like, shit, I didn't see that video. And while I understand the contacts, that's still, that wasn't, that wasn't great. So no, I'm not burning my shirts or sweaters, but I'm not giving them any more money. Like that's, but either way, um,

you're not going to be like Brian Shaw when he took down this picture of Arnold after Arnold said whatever he did a couple years ago. No, because I think that's also equally man-baby shit. He's already got your money. Like it doesn't matter. Take it down. Put it away. Whatever. But like this isn't an airport. You don't have to fucking announce your departure. Yeah, yeah anyway. Speaking of Tanner. Anyway, speaking of Tanner. Yeah.

Or, uh, you know, our, our big Kahuna, he looks like he went under the knife today. Um, I didn't get to listen to the live, but I DM'd a handful of people. Cause if you, I, I'm assuming he broke the news either last night or the night before, whenever the live was that he, uh, you know, once again, tore his ACL and was going under the knife, but it sounded like he tore it a month ago, a few weeks ago, playing basketball, and then just was keeping it on,

playing his cards close to his vest, or to his chest, that is. And so I didn't really get the story, but I reached out and got some info from Skance and Colton. They kind of gave me the rundown that it didn't seem like it was noon ball. It sounded like he was just back pedaling in the backyard possibly or a pickup game.

Not really sure, kind of fell over, knew that he tore it immediately just from the pain that he felt from when he tore it a decade ago or so, whatever it was, probably eight years ago, I think. Went in, got some imaging, it was torn. I think someone even said that they might, they were debating not doing surgery just because

it could just heal on its own, but they know how, you know, at much of an athlete and you know, a lift or tanner isn't that if he gets it actually, you know, surgically repaired, he's a better chance of making some kind of recovery for lifts and weights again. So it looks like, you know, he's supposed to, he posted the picture himself today and, uh, you know,

then he went under the knife and. You know, hopefully he can under the knife and you know, hopefully he can, I did see he had, you know, there won't be something for him to jump into this July, I guess, you know, it did sound like any plans he had for the Lift Hard, Live Easy 3, unless he does a Larson bench press probably is gonna be off the table.

But yeah, that sucks to hear. You know, I think I kind of made him, oh no, I don't think, I did make a meme about it before I kind of heard the table. Uh, but yeah, that's, that sucks to hear. Uh, you know, I think I kind of made him, I, oh no, I don't think I did make a meme about it before I kind of heard the severity. So I almost felt bad, but it was still pretty funny memes. So I'm going to let it ride, but uh, that just sucks, man. I never, I never, you know, I never wish that kind of shit on anybody. So especially someone that, you know, as good as a soul as Tanner is. So I just, it was, it was kicking the teeth when I actually like saw the whole story. So Jake, if you're listening, I know you had some questions about a possible surprise strongman event next year

It's gonna be running backwards on the basketball court I got a lot of questions, but I wasn't gonna bug the guy on the fucking day. It got cut I'd like to know that I'd like to know if it was the same leg that he blew his fucking dislocated his ankle on because I bet it is. Well, it could go either way because he's always been walking and on a, he's been getting over a dislocated ankle. So which fucking knee is gonna be in badder shape?

The one that's- Badder shape. Worst fucking shape. Wrong again, Keith. Yeah, we gotta add that. Wrong again, Keith. Or you know what I mean? Like, when you have a bad knee or an ankle or something,

the other leg is compensating, so you're putting a lot of pressure on the other leg as well. So I'm curious. Oh yeah, I'd like to actually deep dive that with him someday, you know, but. Yes, there's nothing Tanner would love more than to have a deep medical conversation.

Fuck off, not deep dive. This is literally like, it's a fucking three, it's a, he'll fucking respond to the unpaid. You're gonna do a dive. Literally, like it's a fucking three. It's a he'll fucking respond to the end. You do a prostate exam to like what? Yeah, I know. I'm not a prophet. I thought I was a catheter fucking king. Now I'm the fucking prostate guy. Fuck off.

You kid. I'm so tired. You weren't tired enough to fucking connive behind my back and get a fucking nice little GIF. You're just just for me. I want to hear that story. Jeff. Um, yeah. So I had actually originally asked Huck to do it just to like make all things equal. And he just, he just doesn't have time. Like we were attacked. We were going back and forth and I would remind him and the not, and then he

would say, okay, I forgot I'll do it today. And then he didn't. And then I was just like, well, hold on. Who is a influential in our lives and be almost the opposite of Huck Finn. Yeah. So I was like, Tanner, could you do this? And he did it for me. It was just perfect. And I've been, I've been sitting on it for a few days now. And it's just a video of Tanner doing the Huck Finn thing going, wrong again, Keith. Yeah, so we're going to go ahead and make that a gif. And I hope one of the Davids makes that a bot. That was make me chuckle. You thought Tanner posted it.

I was like, no, it was me. I did. That's because I sent it to our group chat. Well, and like, look what this asshole did. Yeah. But that was great. Yeah, so I was well done Do you have is there an audio version of it get the one I saw didn't have audio so that one did have on

The first one I posted had audio Oh, maybe my sometimes my phone's been weird lately like a video will be playing and it won't be giving me the audio But it's like not muted. So I need I need a technical guy to help me figure that one out, but Huh? What I don't remember is who the fuck was last week's guest that we have to rate the episode for right now I'm something drawing a blank it was it was the title topic yeah yeah yeah yeah listen to Tanner listen to Tanner basically you know retell that whole story yeah and tell us a cast in his own words yeah well then they did they did

they did get to something towards the end that they initially thought was gonna be the title topic, but then the Kabuki was the second. It was Tommy's lap pull down. No, yeah, Tommy's lap pull down, yeah. And I actually was very, and that was a good story. I enjoyed the lap pull down story, and I really liked how Hale Tanner always gets it in. I was like, we gotta kick the listeners off,

we gotta save this juicy stuff so they have something to tune in for, and it was just Tommy continuing another 15 minutes of talking about the lap pull down, and I was like, nice, because I've been, I don't know, with the work has been super crazy in my life. I haven't consumed a live recording in a good few weeks. So it's always pretty much been the Sunday night or heading out to work on Monday. So I was able to, you know, listen to the whole thing. So for all that, we will go ahead and give it five out of five functional ACLs.

That was good. Lucas, what do you got? Um, yeah, I, I enjoyed it. So, uh, I am part of the, the crew that listens to podcasts while they lift. So my Monday morning lifting sessions are always, I always am looking forward to starting the podcast and then usually my Wednesday training day, I finish it. Um, so I sort of, uh, I sort of put myself in suspense because I think when he kicked the listeners off, that's about when I finished on Monday.

Um, so yeah, so the so the Kabuki stuff was interesting. That whole thing just seems weird still, like even with the more details, like what were Rudy and Duffin doing there for a while, like just taking a bunch of money from people and not like doing anything. So that's just interesting to that whole thing. But so yeah, so with that, that said, I'll give it a five out of five. Let's see my got to think of my least favorite Kabuki thing. Five out of five Kabuki transformer bars. I can hate that bar. Good call. Did you have one for a while, Keith?

I borrowed Justin's for like okay six weeks or something But he had the older one, but it's still the same like you know Geometry on it ish, and I just you know I know the new ones are easier And then you know they might have slightly different Cambers and all that, but I just I get give me my SSB like I just want my regular SSB I'm to OCD to have 19 different options because then I'd have to fucking have a spreadsheet for every single one and that's not good for my you know psyche. I thought about getting one just because of my limited space and my garage gym but also like the elite FTS SSB on sale for like 300 bucks. Yeah, that's the three times a year versus $900 for a transformer bar was like okay that's fine I don't need I don't need a goblet squat setting or front squat setting or anything I can just

do that with other bars or and if it actually did like if it actually got in the exact like mars bar kind of configuration and actually gave you a real low bar feeling I adjust I gave it an honest try of like all right will this give me a low bar kind of I just, I gave it an honest try of like, all right, well this give me a low bar kind of feel like not fucking really at all. So if it did what it said it would, or if I could have figured out how to make it do what it said it did, like maybe I would have given it a better shot, but it wasn't for me. Well, the Rockies is a transformer bar. So, well he also does more fucking steroids than any human on the planet.

So not if you ask him 100% Natty, of course he is just like just like every WWE superstar ever Probably so some of the fat ones, although I don't know I I feel like Taker probably never did much gear if he did any I feel like Taker probably never did much gear if he did any. I'll take a, I'll take a steroid test when Triple H does Scott Steiner. Yeah. So, uh, like I don't have anything Kabuki. I've lifted on Kabuki bars in every meet I've been in. I don't have a really big understanding of what it is or why I care. My guess would be very little venture capital, very little seed money.

So that thing where like you would do an order and have to wait six months is because I think it's exactly what Tommy or Tanner said. It's that like they just don't have it and they need the pre-order money to get it made. And if when you're doing something like that, when you don't have inventory to sell and you're literally selling based on an order based business, you know, you don't get the quantity discounts, you don't get all those, right? So if you're ordering 10 at a time, you're not getting the same prices if you ordered 100. So I think that that was majorly the problem. But again, I don't have any actual knowledge other than what they said. The lap pull down story was really good,

especially because like my joke is you guys do lap pull downs, like I don't, I'm using bands. And yeah, so I'm gonna go ahead and give that one five out of five lat pulldown bands. I feel like Tommy's fallen ass backwards into most of his home gym stuff. Yeah. He's like, like for the guy, the guy who didn't want to home gym and was like pretty adamant about it, just I'm going to look on Facebook marketplace today for the first time in forever and finds a unicorn piece of equipment. I found like a $2,000 lap pull down for $300.

It's been $100 to go get it. It's worth it's just worth going back to when he first built the gym and he said I think I have everything I need now and Tedder went oh you're there are you yeah now you can finally get strong. Now you can finally get strong. Yeah. Now you can finally get strong with his lap. Hold on. I I'm doing the backlog. I'm going through it. I'm going through it. I just got to the Arnold first episode. Actually, I'm halfway through the Dan Bell episode because that's the one.

Is that the is that the year where the old guy says, get the fuck out of my way or something to that extent because they're like the old there was, you know, all the OK, so that might have been not yet. I'm only on episode one of the Arnold recap. OK, maybe then the Dan Bell episode in which he's breathing like Dan Bell into the microphone the whole time. And that's the fun thing is everybody was like, you're not going to get through this backlog. Well, I'm doing six hours alone in an uninhabited warehouse unpacking stuff. So I'm doing like two to three episodes a day right now. There you go. I remember that. I am power. I am powering through it. Um,

quick update today on what's your speed? I know you asked for sure. It's not consumable for me at that rate. Yeah, no, I'm listening to like I listen to Mastinomics at 1.5. I feel like you look like so which so that'll kind of segue. And this is one thing I was meant to bring up. We're kind of going late, but I'll bring up now. So you don't hear what they're really what their voices actually sound like. Kind of. So that's no, because I've literally met Tanner. I know. I know. I get it. And Dan, I know.

I know. It's just so here's a question I can pose to you as someone that's, do you listen to, the couple times you listen to our podcast, have you ever listened to it on 1.0? No, that one I have to do 1.0, because my own voice. So with that, now that I've done, you know, I've done how many, fuck, I'm like 100 podcasts between this one and other shit, does the sound of your own voice, so before I ever did a podcast, say like, like three, four years ago, whatever.

Obviously, when you do hear your voice randomly, like on a voicemail or something, or in the background of a video, you're like, that's not my fucking voice. There's no way that's my voice because it's the pitch is so not what you hear in your head. Now, after being on a podcast for a year and a half, I think I hear what my actual voice is in my head now, or my brain transfers it to what it sounds like. You know, does any of that make sense? I'm not verbalizing it the way I want to be, but it's just. I think I know what you're getting at, but I'm not big neuroscience guy over here, so I don't really know how that tracks.

Basically, since being on this podcast, I'm okay hearing my voice, and I don't feel like it's not my voice anymore, whereas two years ago, three years ago, I'd be like, that's not my voice. And I'd get really freaked out. Not freaked out, but it would just, I would make that. I think everyone says that anytime someone hears their voice

for like one of the first couple of times. And I just, I don't know, that was a, I don't remember what, oh, it's cause I think Stephanie was, she didn't want to listen to it cause she doesn't like the sound of her voice because she doesn't, you know, she doesn't, the voice in her head isn't what is actually her voice.

So that made me start to think like, oh, do I still feel that way? And I was like, I don't. I think. I actually can't listen to this one at 1.5. I can't hear my own or your voice at that speed. That would be. But in all fairness, like listening to Tanner and Tommy

and Tyler from eight years ago, or whatever it was, like 2016, 2017, or whatever year it was that they were doing this, really the only thing is I can't tell if it's Tommy or Ryan laughing. Like, that's the main difference, I think, between the two acts. I'm still getting most of it in and out, like, in all fairness, most of Mastanomics lore by now started at 240 anyway, roughly the 240 episodes. So I'm not really getting a ton from back then, other than I don't give a shit about CrossFit

You're learning so much about CrossFit though Joey oh I am but you didn't know before so now But CrossFit from what eight years ago or whenever yeah Which actually I'm so Jonathan from no fate he's got an Instagram and a YouTube He you know hit a video the other day basically talking about like the decline of crossfit. And it basically showed like a graph of like, uh, you know, however many Google, how many times they've been Googled that month or whatever or year. And you know, they peaked in like 2014, 2015 kind of range when fucking Tyler

wouldn't shut the fuck up about CrossFit. And then it does. So it kind of makes more sense. I guess that like, I don't, I was just getting into the commercial gym at that point, so I wasn't like in a barbell like mindset so I didn't know fuck all but I'm curious I guess if it was CrossFit really as big as I guess they gave it more attention because it really was that big back then like if you look at like graphs and charts and shit at least so CrossFit

gyms were like the frozen yogurts of Aberdeen they just popped up everywhere and then went away. And like I said in the discord, everything I've ever learned about CrossFit has been by accident. And the backlog can blame. I can blame the backlog on all of that. Last one I had a quick story about my training session today, because it's, it's a really to me, fun story. Got up tired, little hung over because, you know, I've had two deaths and very close to me in the past little while. Like whatever. Like I just woke up exhausted.

And it was an R.P. 10 squat. And I'll tell you, I did do that. Yeah, right. So I did actually seven warmups, warm up reps. I didn't do anything else. And it turned into a nine. Nice. So yeah.

And the weight and the prescribed weight that was supposed to be a 10. Yep. So I'm actually full on fully on the no warmup crew. Let's go Sam. Right there Sam, yeah. But that was, I felt really good about that and I just busted them out and I was like,

that was too easy. That's awesome. Well, yeah. Well, Juggernaut does you do like 25 warm-up reps or something stupid It's just So I've never used dog AI does it like give you from like the bar like all the way through? It gives you literally everything you're supposed to do for warm-ups Yeah, it never used to and that the funny the really funny thing about is when I first joined juggernaut

Literally had no clue how to work out so I joined juggernaut and then it was like okay your top set was let's just make it up 315 deadlifts and I'm like okay and I would start the top set and then wonder why I was like this like hard yeah it was a little hard and then they introduced the warm-up thing but the warm-up things like 10 reps of the bar, five reps of one plate. Then they're gonna put a quarter plate on, then they're gonna put on 225,

and then they're gonna put on another quarter plate, and I was like, by the time I hit my top set, I've done 20 to 25 reps. This is also making me tired. Because my conditioning is shit. Like I don't do cardio, because I just don't have room in the gym. Unless I go run around the land, I don't have room to do cardio

unless I'm like literally running on the spot in the gym like a weirdo. So the sand dune steppers, I think that's that's actually a thing. Like I've got an elliptical and I could just do like sandbag carries or something back and forth, which I do some days anyway. But so now I'm now I'm back to the no warmup. This you got to just sprint with your child on your back. Like I had to do the other day, Joe, my coach showed me to do. He told me to recreate empire strikes back. So I did it. It took, it took a minute to convince the five year old to do it, but then he was totally fine

when we did it. So so yeah that's your cardio sprint with your children. All right I think it's uh that was the longest general topics I think we ever had. Yeah and I didn't I probably should have talked about my competition this Saturday but it's all good. We'll do a whole recap episode. There we go. After somebody else does a recap episode we'll recap a recap episode. Joey Joey doesn't like recap episodes or so listeners if you want a recap episode from the December to remember crew Falls week, but I got someone scheduled that week

But if it's something you really want blow up the Instagram blow up the discord we can make that happen But right now I'm not moving the guests unless the fans tell us is what they want I'm sure we'll get one from one, one person. Oh yeah. No, I'm one personal DMS and say, fuck off. It'll be you. You should do a meat recap on the episode next week. I mean I'll I'll do a 10 minute thing in general topics or five minutes thing, but uh, yeah, no, everything's my body's falling apart and we'll see how I manage this weekend you're gonna do great I'm gonna be I'm gonna take videos of you and Dan now and I'm gonna post it on my Instagram love

it well I'm in the middle of loading weights for you guys oh nice that's awesome do a crew cameo on my Instagram nice Oh Chris is Chris Chris jump in it too if you didn't see the wrong oh, yeah well he's trying to give his spot away quite hard right now. That fucking pussy. He's complaining about being in the bad part of New Jersey which I thought was just all. You know, whatever.

I wanna do this meet but I'm not going there. I think he texted me, he got home today I thought so hopefully all as well But alright, yeah, did we have any listeners? We got to kick out so we can get the guest on the walk She'd know I jumped a gun there Lucas. Do you have an ad read for us, buddy? Do you got anything you want to say about Tanner and Tommy and massonomics? I do This episode of unpaid underrated is sponsored by massonomics Do you like crispy boys or sparkling water power lifting or or strong man? Lifting hard or living easy? With Masanomics, you don't have to choose.

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learn how to get strong, stay strong and use your strength with Mastinomics. Dig it. Well done. Well done. Appreciate that. Now we can we can say the thing where we kick everybody out. Yeah, yeah, we get the kick out carp. It's always carp Nope, it's one of the Ryan's this time. Yeah, it's Ryan. Ooh one of the Ryan's by Ryan All right, big Lucas. Is that you it is? I'm here You are live on unpaid and underrated the podcast for crew by crew and mocked relentlessly by the Davids.

Um, and, and, and the co-host and the co-host is that you or me? Yes. That was the right answer. Yeah, yeah, we are. Yep. All right. Uh, first question, what brings you here and you can't say Keith. Um, I, you know, started listening to a podcast, uh, you know, four years ago and then decided

to give them money and then made more friends on the internet. And now I'm here on the podcast for the first time. No, welcome. Dear love it. Doing great so far. If I had to say so myself. Uh, Keith, do you want to lead this for a second? Yeah.

Yeah. So in general, you've, you know, you listened to the mass economics, you know, back in the day, four years ago. So COVID times, I'm guessing you jumped in on it. I actually, I did my research and I looked and I found out the first episode I listened to it was, um, I think it was Julius Maddox. So it was, I, I looked to find like in my Spotify, which was the, like where I was at, but I didn't look at the date, but I'm pretty sure it was during COVID. Cause I was, um, like during COVID, I was home because everybody was home.

Like during COVID, I was home because everybody was home and I was running, uh, average to Savage from, from Greg Knuckles. And I think I was training five days a week, maybe. So I had a lot of time to listen to podcasts. And I, one of the main reasons I listened to podcasts, why I left now is because at that time I was training in the garage and we had. Elliot was our youngest son. He wasn't even one yet. And he was sleeping directly above me most of the time.

Cause I would train in the morning. So you can't listen to music while a baby's sleeping above you. So podcasts aren't that loud. So I was just needing to find more podcasts to listen to. And what's better for lifting than listening to podcasts about lifting while lifting? I mean, yeah. And then you get a few episodes deep and you realize it's really not a podcast about lifting.

It's a podcast about friends and homies that occasionally interview people that lift, but don't ask them about lifting questions. So that's how it is. Just being silly geese. And it's just the best because essentially like, I know the group of friends that you have and it's just like, other than me and Chris,

like I don't think anybody has ever listened to the podcast. Like I think everyone follows them and like gets a kick out of some of the memes, but only like, only the gen pop memes. Then like, you know, they have no clue. I don't think. They don't know the deep cuts. I think they still judge like they're,

they're looking at Chris and judge, like they're looking, Chris and I, and they're like, you went out to South Dakota for an amateur, non-sanctioned strongman show, are you fucking stupid? Like, you spent how much money? Like they just don't get it. So I, you know, I'm glad that we found a handful

of Rochester boys that kind of get it. Yeah. So. We've got our nice Western New York crew between yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we do have two Buffalo's now and X-air queues even so yeah we're filling up. Where are they gonna find you at on the on the the IG? Lucas likes to lift things. I say that ten times fast. Lucas likes to lift things. I think it's the same one some iteration of that on discord as well

Yes, I made it the same because I'm super Super creative and then know how to really do things when I joined the discord we As anyone that likes to tag people and stuff. It's super convenient when shit is the same on one platform as it is the other Let's see so It is the same on one platform as it is the other. Let's see. So have you consumed the whole backlog then? Did you ever go back and you didn't go back in time, you just kind of went from Maddox to now? Yeah, there's like a handful of podcasts I listened to

that I have done a little bit of backlog on, but I'm pretty much like if I pick something up, I'm gonna start from there. And as I was saying earlier, like I have a limited set of podcasts time during the week and it's, it's mostly full right now. So unless I do like a road trip and like brush something out, like I remember when I had to go to Strongman Nationals in New Hampshire a few years ago, like I listened to like all of Nick Camby, he's a he's a middleweight. Well, he was a middleweight strongman nationals in new hampshire a few years ago like i listen to like all of the nick can be he's a is a middleweight well he was a middleweight

strongman is open but i listen to like all of his podcast that weekend because i had thirteen hours in the car so i haven't done any uh... reports like that lately where i can just crush podcast well uh... next time joey comes down down to Rochester and you come over, I'll just have him go over the backlog with you episode by episode in detail and give you a blow by blow.

I can check that off on my, on my, uh, all of them card, which, which is my next question. So, uh, do you, do you know off the top of your head or where, where, about where you're at on the hall of fame and what this gets you in on tonight's episode? I, I have a very detail oriented person. So I brought it here. So this is actually, I believe, I believe seven. And the thing is I looked at it. I circled place 10 online orders. I'm guessing I've placed 10 orders, but I'm not entirely sure at this point.

That's kind of a, it's kind of give a gimme for most people and unless you're Grayson and you know only had like seven or eight even though he's been part of economics for like a decade So I got a kick out of that. Yeah, that's awesome. So we'll get you in the Hall of Fame here before too long. I Just need to go to lift our lip easy. I just that's all I need that knocks off so many Yeah, I just spend like, you know $1,500 to get a silly point and internet points. I wish it only cost that much. That would be amazing. Yeah. Well when I hide in your suitcase next time, would I shrink to Jeff Nippard size and hide in your suitcase? But I'll just give you $1,500 and then we'll be good. Well you know if you had to be in that

suitcase with one piece of Mastnomix merch that you had missed out on, what would that be? It'd be those those squat shorts. Yeah, I really like I I feel like everything else. I pretty much have a chance to get over the last, you know, four years that I would want that and or I would say the blue lift shirt, the blue lift shirt that may or may not have sprung back up recently since it's been banned. But yeah, yeah, yeah. You can go to I mean, your best chance to get in that it would be

the you must assume you haven't gone to the Arnold in the last four or five years. That's the other thing which I might I might try to check that one off this year because we've got we've got a handful of our lifting crew competing at world's strongest firefighter, so Depending on what's going on, you know with everything that's going on You know see if I can make it down there. Yeah, that'll be fun I'm like I'm like an 80% chance gonna go down. So that'd be cool get a whole Rochester crew Well, you want to do at least fun you want to you want to answer a little least fun most fun for us? Sure. So it's a

relatively new game for any of Lucas's thousands and thousands of friends and followers tuning in to Unpaid and Underrated this week for the first time. So least fun most fun it's a you know a game we came up with here so I'm gonna give Lucas one one topic and he's just gonna go into you know some druther details and tell me the least fun thing about it the most fun thing about it So big Lucas hand-picked topic for you this week living in Western, New York least fun most fun Let's see The least fun part of living in Western, New York

Probably no one fucking knowing where we are, who doesn't live here. You know, you tell me you live in New York and they think you like live near New York city and it's like, bro, we're pretty much Canada. Like New York city, you know, one thing. Yeah. Um, like the most fun. I don't know. I think, man, I don't know. A lot of people like to complain

about New York, but we have some pretty cool stuff. You know, like, I like to hike and camp and shit like that. So we got the Adirondacks close. Like, we've got a lot of cool, cool stuff here, you know. I know that's I'd say it's, it's better than like, you know, if you go on the internet and listen to people complain about it, I think it's way better than all the dumb shit they say. It's just annoying that people don't, I don't know. No one looks at a map. Uh, I feel like people never learned their geography well, so they don't understand it. So least fun people not understanding New York's like very big.

It is very different fucking state. Yeah. Most fun, most fun. It's, you know, it's, it's a cool place. We got four seasons. Do you get the Buffalo Bills? You know, that's fun now. That actually, that was actually probably the least fun part of being from Western

New York for 17 years. So it's having to be a fan of them. So. So was it hard to like watch you lose? Like was losing four Super Bowls in a row the hard part or was like, because that was that was you were you're you're my age, right? You're a couple years. Yes. Yes. So this is this through that. This is a vivid memory of mine. I was in kindergarten when we lost the

first one. Yeah. So I remember like going to school, and I'm probably making this up somewhat, but it can't be like I can't have completely fabricated. So I remember like going to school and I'm probably making this up somewhat, but it can't be like I can't have completely fabricated. But I remember going to kindergarten the day after we lost the first Super Bowl and like everyone just being sad and it being like a big deal because I didn't stay up and watch the game. I was five, you know? And then like the next year I got, because I had like the vanilla ice haircut at that time because like who didn't because that's what we did in the early 90s but I got the Bill's logo shaved into the side of my head for the second Super Bowl and then after that we were kind of like we're just going to get our asses kicked so that was fun but then it was like terrible you know, it was just bad. JP Lawson, EJ Manuel.

I've lived here since oh eight and like, you know, I could name so many bad bills quarterbacks over that, that, that threshold there for that time period. Really? The real Super Bowl is the friends that we made along the way. That's very true. Yep. I mean, getting to four Super Bow in a row is pretty, right? Like the, whether you win or lose, you got to four super bowls in a row.

Yeah. My brother's a huge like Bill's mafia. So that stuff's always on my radar. Yeah, it's been, it's been fun. It's weird. It's a, I feel it's very cyclical is not the right word, but synchronicity sort of thing is that when our oldest son Porter like started recognizing football and being into it was like the first season that Josh Allen was

really good. And it's like, that's kind of when I recognized football was when we went to like that first Superbowl. So it's like this weird like, oh, the Bills got good at the same time in both our lives. And like, I feel bad that he's going to have like, you know, hopefully many several more years, five to 10 more years of really good teams because Jack Challen will be our quarterback. And then he'll have to deal with whatever happens after that. And I'll just, I'll just be apologizing to him. Like, I'm sorry. I did this to you.

If we get shitty again, like if we're in your situation right now, although your situation's like the worst, I'm, I, I gotta ask you this question. How do you feel about the fans cheering Watson's Achilles blowing up? I loved, I may make, okayilles blowing up. I loved it. I may make trouble. Okay. I was not upset about it. And then Miles Garrett, like, trying to, like, people trying to defend him, the other players defending him afterwards

was just silly, like, the guy's a shithead. I hope Watson never gets to, like, I'm pretty sure next year, it says last year on a contract, he blew out his fucking knee in the middle of the season. The most he would do is come back and play a few games next year. At that point, just don't even let him into the fucking building ever again. He's just done like give him his fucking obnoxious $250 million guaranteed money and just fucking show him the door.

Like, I don't know what like he's not he we're gonna have to draft a quarterback now with a first round pick. I hope if not, we're gonna out there with fucking I don't know famous man famous Tom Brady could always come out of retirement for now he's gonna play for the Raiders he's gonna be owner player at the end of the day I I've been a Browns fan since I came back in 99 and I've watched him from 99 to fucking present we've made it to the playoffs fucking like once in that twice twice now but it's been in the last like four years. So like I'm as up up until because we made it, I think in 2020.

I'm pretty sure we made the playoffs. But prior to that, my my life goal was always to just say, I just want to watch on TV the Browns win one playoff game before I die. And I've done that like twice now. So everything else is gravy at this point, you know, because I set the bar so low is just when one playoff game and a fucking like a 60 year span of watching a team play football and I'll be content with that. So you know, they can't get fucking we can't get worse than the shit we lived through in

the 2000s, early 2000s. So whatever. But yeah, good. Enjoy. Enjoy. Thank you. Thank you, bro. For life. Cleveland, Detroit, good. And you know, enjoy it. Here we Gary Bros.

The life we've got Cleveland, Detroit, Buffalo, Sir. You get Josh Allen of another decade and, you know, hopefully you can make a couple more playoff runs. OK, so I want to ask now the drum kit behind you. Mm hmm. Yours. That's my drummers. I'm not a drummer. I'm not. All my instruments are the guitars. Yeah.

Okay. So you have a band. What, what do you guys do? Um, so this is probably going to be, I feel like this is weird for someone who's really into lifting, but we're like, we're jam band for lack of a better term. So like, you know, uh, not as noodly as like fish or the grateful dead, but like still like to play 15 minutes songs and we feel like it. So, okay.

Yeah. But hopefully it's not boring. It's not boring to me generally, but sometimes it could be boring to other people, I'm sure, unless you're gigging. Are you gigging with the jam band sound? Uh, you, well, it's a use, not as much anymore. Like, you know, everybody had kids and then COVID happened. So I haven't played a show since probably 2018 in 2019, but yeah.

So, you know, it's one, it's one, you know, you guys know you're, we're, we're getting old and you've got kids, Joey, like you have hobbies that you'd like to do in your twenties and maybe some of your thirties and they kind of likes, you can only make time for so many hobbies. So, you know, it's on the to-do list though. You know, the to-do list, that's very long of things that I want to spend my free, my very limited free time on that. Oh yeah, I'll start playing some instruments again.

Things I used to like doing. Yep. Yeah. Although I do get lucky, I used to, I used to work at a school and I made friends with the music teacher there. And they do like a, they do like a school rock thing every year where like they play a bunch of cover songs with the kids. So he always needs a guitar player for that. So he calls me and I have to learn like, you know, a dozen cover songs in two weeks and then get to play them with pretty talented high

school kids. So it's fun. It's a good time. Some of the songs are like, really, I got to play this song this year. And then some are like, I've always wanted to play this song and I get to do it. Like this year, the finale song we played, uh, born to run by Bruce Springsteen. And I'm like, awesome. Huge. Like that, that album is like, if you were, if you were to like, go to someone like Anna, you go to a different planet and you want to be like, this is, this is a perfect rock and roll album. You give them born to run. and so, and that's like my favorite song. I joke with people that, uh, if it comes on, on the radio, you have to put all your windows down and play it as loud as you can, it's a law, probably in New Jersey, I would think that would be a lot.

It should be, if it's not a lot of New Jersey, but, um, yeah, so that, that, that was fun to get to play that song finally. And I like learn some, when I learned it, I'm like, they did a modulation to a different key in the one part of the song. I'm like, Oh, I never realized that. And I've listened, listened to the song, literally, you know, anyone who's listened to classic rock radio, listened to that song probably hundreds of times. So it was like, huh, neat. Okay. So that's most fun, least fun song you've had to learn for this little thing. And, and is it imagine dragon? Oh, thank God. I've never had to learn any imagine.

Um, I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of some of the bad things I've had to learn. Um, this might get me in trouble. This might get me in trouble with some people, but I feel like I've had to learn a Linkin Park song, which it was actually kind of fun to play. But like, there's just something about Linkin Park, especially like, I don't know, well, Keith, you've never really trained at East half barbell that much. But we had like an old CrossFit coach who used to be there and like, because of the hours that I train, I would like show up

when he was there, like coaching. And I swear to God, he had this one playlist. I was there one day. It was just Linkin Park and Eminem. And I was like, you stabbed me in the eye right now. Like, this is so so. And it's like, it's like that even like the good songs. Like, it's just the like shit that I've

already heard too many times. So it was probably maybe, maybe that it's usually, it's usually not the like most of the songs are fine to learn. And it's more fun. Like if the kids are good and having fun, like one year we did, what was what was that? Like Justin Timberlake's first solo hit that the Neptune's produced. Um, come on, dance with me. Don't don't. Oh, rock your body. Yeah. Rock your body. So we did that and I'm like, Oh, this song fucking it's great. I love the Neptune's. I love Justin Timberlake. This is going to be so much fun. Like it's funky as shit. The kid who was singing it got so lost in the middle of the song and just was looking at us.

And I'm like, bro, this is on you, man. Yeah, we're here. We're doing what we're supposed to be doing. You gotta sing your shit, man. And it was just like, I think he kinda didn't know what to do, so I just looked at the rest of it and I think the music teacher was playing drums and I'm like, and we just kind of like cut it and stopped and he like. Ran off stage.

It was, it's bad. Like I feel bad for high school kids. It's like, bro, like you'd be prepared. Like we rehearsed this shit. Like you, you gotta know your stuff. You know, it's w you gotta learn one song that's like three minutes long. It's not that hard but yeah so that was probably the least fun least fun one we did because it was just like it was a good song and they fucked it up

he's not listening yeah can't imagine that's funny I don't unless I'm missing I don't think anyone said anything about you being in a band anywhere in your notes other than like the huge visual aspect of it literally says right here. He's a musician Oh specifically played a lot of shows my early says maybe I didn't see it. You didn't you didn't read my you didn't read mine Detailed I don't not a lot of them today might not get read to when I'm here I just did mine on Monday. So that's probably why it's the only had two days to prep. Sorry. I did. No, probably because I just did mine on Monday so that's probably why. Because you only had two days to prep so sorry. I did. No, you're good, brother. You're good. I appreciate you. So you've got a few different answers for your

career. You want to tell us what you do for a living if you're comfortable? I think it's just different ways it was worded. I mean it's probably... So I wonder if my wife put my real job title in there because she's probably the only one who knows it. We got health planning researcher data analyst health health branding health planning researcher is one a data analyst and then another data analyst slash spreadsheet and map nerd.

Map. Yeah. Oh Joey don't even give me sorry about mass. Yeah, so I work for, it's a, so, okay. This is kind of a long, complicated answer that makes so much work. I have like a very weird history of how I've gotten to this current job that I'm in.

So I've worked in healthcare for about a decade now. My first job in healthcare was an addictions counselor at one of the major hospitals here in Rochester. And so I went back to school and got my master's then and realized I wanted to do stuff in the background because my undergrad was engineering, so I've got that engineer brain. So that's how I kind of got into what I do now where I'm my official job titles. Uh, health planning shit. I forgot it. I don't know.

I just say data analysts and like, like, uh, whoever put that on my sheet. Like I just do nerd shit in, you know, I make, I make graphs and I make maps. Like if I can turn data visualization into a map, I'm going to do it because maps are sweet and it's cooler to see where things are happening to people. Generally bad things, unfortunately, is I make a lot of charts about bad shit. It's like, oh, this is the reasons why people are dying in our area or these are the things that are making people sick and going to the hospital for. So yeah, that's what I do now. I need to utilize your skill set to help us make some content. We do some kind of map or some some kind of graph with a button that half the battles getting all that data first. Yeah, we're not big map over here. Yeah, how do you are? We could do some stuff. We could

make some things, you know, we could do a crew map or something. We just need everybody to submit something and put it in the spreadsheet. That's all you gotta do. Keith, I know you love your spreadsheets. He does love his spreadsheets. I've got so many spreadsheets. It's frustrating sometimes because I'm like, I, I can't remember sometimes if I have this data and in Google Docs or Google, Google Sheets. And I'm like, some like cycling back and forth. It's like, where did I put this information? Because I can't remember.

It makes me so mad because I'm like, okay, I need the guest list to send to somebody. Oh no, it's in sheets, not in docs. And then I need something else and it's in docs. So that's why you just go to Google drive and then you've got them all right. Yeah, it's in Sheets, not in Docs. And then I need something else and it's in Docs. So- That's why you just go to Google Drive and then you've got them all right there. Yeah, that's true. Now would this have all started in Boy Scouts?

In Boy Scouts? Uh, what, oh, my love maps? Oh shit. Oh, I know where this came from. Um, is this about the cartography award? I'm sure it has to be. So, yeah, this is, uh, my, my wife loves, uh, she loves to make fun of me for this. Actually, my love of math started way before that, and I don't know if she

knows this story, although I'd be surprised if she did it when I was like a kid, the way my mother kept me entertained in the car was by just giving me maps to look at and like telling us where we were because it was the 80s and like that's how else are you going to entertain a child in a car? Give them something to look at. Yes. So when I was, the one time I went to Boy Scout camp, When I was, the one time I went to Boy Scout camp, we had a contest where we had to do orienteering and map making at the same time. So we were like going on a hike and we had to,

we had to draw a map of the hike that we went. And so you had to like use the compass to see what way you were going so you could draw the path and such. So my buddy and I, who you're still friends too, with this day, you know, I've been friends with since first grade, you're like, well, shit, I'm bad with the compass and he's like, I'm good with the compass. I'm like, well, I can draw and like maps.

So you tell me what we're doing with the compass and I'll make the map. And everyone else is trying to do it by themselves and we ended up making the best map and winning the cartography which that is the official term for map making. You guys who don't know. So we won the cartography. I got like a special bolo thing you know because as a boy scout you've got your little bolo thing for your scarf and I had my special it was like a I don, I don't know, this would, with like the map of the camp on it or something. So I had my little Bolo tie of a map that I would wear to my boy scout meetings

for like the one more year that I did it. And then I was like, yeah, I'm not, I ended up with boy scouts. Yeah. I have a very similar story. There's like, I love looking at maps and. You know, sometimes you look at people my age and they, I use the GPS to get to work every day, but mostly because it just tells me the traffic so I can avoid it. But like mapping is something I've always kind of been good at. And fun story,

couple years ago, they did like, I'm talking maybe a decade ago, they did this thing on like, How Smart is Canada? So they did this like TV show on one of our like, what do you call it? Public television stations. And they actually did this like who's smart. So they sat in a room and they had like demographics. Okay. Like who's smarter? Atheists, Um, I think they had like, they just like separated people by whatever they were. But then you could do the same test they did. And I got like, uh, they did this thing where it's like, okay, so they would, the camera would go down a road. Okay.

And it would say we're facing North. Follow us. I got like a hundred percent on that shit. Yeah, because it was just like, it's just basic mapping. How do you not know that? How do you not? Your brain can obviously if you just go over top and look at the directions they made. But then of course, like the stuff where it's just like, what's the next one when it was like blue, red, red, blue, blue, blue, blah, blah, I was like, zero percent. I have no pattern recognition at all. So I don't know if you guys know this, but in like,

at least in Google Maps and I'm sure probably in like Apple Maps, you can set your view of your map on your phone or your, you know, in dash thing. So like usually the default is to kind of like move the map as you move, right, as you're driving. But you can pin it so up on the map is always true north and then everything else is like that. And I found that setting one day and set it like that. And I have yet to meet another human being who does that. And I think it's just because I'm like a map kid and like, I always want true north to be top and like, it makes perfect sense to my

brain when I'm like looking at something I'm like, Oh yeah, I know where, well, I always want true North to be top and like, it makes perfect sense to my brain when I'm like looking at something. I'm like, Oh yeah, I know where I'm especially where we live now. We live right on the lake. So it's like, I have a giant thing that tells me where North is all the time that I orient off of, but, um, Lake Ontario, for those who are inclined to the Rochester geography, where I live, I have some lake is always right now. Yeah. The escarpment is always north.

Yeah. No, wait, no, that's the way. Yeah, no, no, it is. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you're right. Yeah. You're around the corner.

Finally. No, I'm actually on the same side as you guys. The lake is north and the escarpment is South. I'm on the same side as you guys getting to you guys, you're than getting anywhere else, but that's the same thing. The lake just tells me which direction. So that way when I drive around the other side of the lake to go to where I used to work, it just puts me up. Yeah.

So yeah. Keith is thinking, are you thinking about maps right now? No, we, we board the shit. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, Are you thinking about maps right now? We board the shit out. Maps aren't spreadsheets. I don't know those. No, I'm always a very visual. I pride myself, at least if I'm in a neighborhood that I know or whatever, I can stand in the direction and know that up is north, left is west, and right is east, and down is south.

I like to be able to... My wife has a hard... I don't think she can visualize that but I can kind of like it go on my like I can be in my living room and be like all right yeah that's north that's south that's east west that's west just because like I'm using like you know markers of where I know that like like if I'm like how do I get to Henrietta it's like a you know it's a suburb south of me like well Henrietta is that way so that's south so if I face that way that's south. So if I face that way, that's facing south. So I did this is a funny story about where I was. We've been doing this thing, looking at how to classify parts of New York state as different things, rural, suburban, urban, mothership.

And I was looking at the map and I was looking at where I grew up. And I always thought like the town that was next to us, uh, was south of where my parents live. And I finally realized looking at this map, cause I had like, hadn't done this since I was three and had understanding of these things, it was actually East. And it blew my fucking mind. I'm like, I'm like doing shit on a map with a coworker of mine. I'm like, Holy shit, that town is east of

my parents house. And I'm like, sorry, I'm having a moment here. I would relate to I would like, when you know something is fact your whole life, and then it becomes not fact. It's like it is mind, you know, it's it's eye opening. And it's definitely, it deserves like a few minutes of like reflection In a print appreciation so I can I can you know, I can appreciate that So I got basically one reoccurring thing that I was given a couple times Yeah, I guess we gotta ask you

What do you do your dick? What did you do to your dick? And why was it um, what did you do to your dick? What did you, what did you do to your dick and why was it purple? And what did you do to it? This is great. I actually, so I went back and looked at, um, because I have never deleted. So, uh, for those of you guys who don't know, he knows him, my coach, uh, Tim T three strength systems, like a little plug this season. He's a wonderful human being. I was looking at this training block and it was, it was a bit silly for those 2022.

So that would have made me what this is right before I turned. What it says. That was two years ago. So I was 37. So he's let's, let's, let's experiment on something with a 37 year old client, which is fine. Like I'm not, I'm not saying Tim's I'm not saying anything bad about Tim. We like to do things like that because I can handle them and understand

how to like regulate it. He gave me a block of, well, I forgot the first part of this. I only remembered the second part of it because it was when my dick got broken. Um, but, so we were doing like a hypertrophy block and it was, it was three days a week. I was like, you know, probably was doing Monday, Wednesday, and then events on Friday or Saturday, Monday, I started my session with three by 20 squats. And then did some other bullshit. Um, and then on Wednesday, yeah.

And then on Wednesday I was doing my O reps of squats, which I don't know. Like if you guys know what my O reps are. So, um, it's you do like close, you do like a, like an activation set of like 10 to 12, which is roughly in the, it's not like RPE 10, but it's like pretty like you're close to like, say if you're doing 12, closer to 12 or back. So maybe you can do well, or you could do like 14 or 15. So you do that.

You rack the bar for 15 seconds, then do like eight or 10 reps, rack the bar for 15 seconds, you know, do six or eight reps. And then you kind of drop two reps each set only resting for 15 seconds until like, you can't do reps anymore. And so this was, um, and I, it's, it's actually funny. I think breaking my Dick is what made me actually get a supporting membership And so this was, it's actually funny. I think breaking my dick is what made me actually get a supporting membership. Cause I broke my dick.

I broke my dick. It would have been, actually shit. It would have been exactly coincided with it. I'm pretty sure I broke my dick on March 1st, 2022. And I became a supporting member on March 1st, 2022. Well, my dicks broke. Better join the crew. So I should finally give them money to have friends. And this was before Discord too. So I was just giving them money because I liked their podcasts. The Discord wasn't a thing in March of

2022. But so, okay. So that's what happened. So we were doing this hypertrophy block and like I said, Monday was three by 20 squats. And then we did, um, like the first week I think was front squats of the Smire reps shit. The second week was high bar. The third week was a low bar. So it's a Wednesday morning. I think it probably was a Wednesday, maybe a Thursday, I don't know, Tuesday, someday in the middle of the week. And I had to train, I had to train in the morning. So I, you know, I go down, you know, I'm training, you know, got up at four

30 and then the garage by, you know, five at the latest training, everything feels good, you know, we're moving weight. We get through our warmup sets. I, the, the first, the activation set. And so the, the weight stays the same and you just keep dropping reps off as you get more fatigued. So 365 was the way that I was supposed to do that day. Um, and I, it's like, I'm my best squad at that time was 500 pounds.

I'd done like a year before or something like that. So I go and I, like I said, all the warmups actually felt really good for a 5 a.m. training session. I'm a fellow. It's going to be great. It's going to be a great training day. So I go and I do my activation set, you know, first rep, great. Second rep, great.

Third rep, great. Fourth rep, great, first rep, great second rep, great third rep, great fourth rep, great fifth rep, great six, six, six rep boom. Fucking my adapter, my adductor tendon just blows up like could hear it like that. Well, I don't know like if you guys have ever torn a tendon or heard or seen someone do it. Like you can hear that shit. Cause it's a rubber band that's just exploding. So I, this is, this is the only time I've ever dumped a squat too, like in my life was when I did this too. And luckily I think I have the safety set at a reasonable level. So I dumped it over the top of my head, lay on the floor for a little while.

Um, I was listening to either Masonomics or stronger by science. I was listening to one of those two podcasts while this is happening. And then like realize I'm like, okay, and I'm like yelling, I yell my wife's name. I what the nickname I have for I yell, I'm like, well, she can't hear me because like, our garage is in the front of the house. And our bedroom is in the back of the house on the second floor. So she's not going to hear me. So I'm like, okay, I think I can get up. So I like crawl over to where my phone is because it's like up on a shelf in my garage and I crawl over and like am able to reach up and get it up. Then I try calling her, but she's asleep. And so

it's on like, do not disturb sleep mode. So like that doesn't do anything. So I'm like, am able to reach up and get it up. So then I try calling her, but she's asleep. And so it's on like, do not disturb sleep mode. So like, that doesn't do anything. So I'm like, okay, can I get up? And so I realized I can like stand up and I can walk and it's not that big of a deal, I get upstairs and you know, whatever, you know, the day goes on and it's fine. So like I said, that, I think it happened on a Wednesday. And then like had like limited pain,, no discoloration, no anything. So I thought when I went to the ortho urgent care that day,

they're like, oh, we think you just strained a muscle. They were very wrong, but that's fine. And everything was fine. And I knew if I thought I knew like, if I, like, I thought I had tore my adapter just because I heard something explode, but the fact that it wasn't like bruised, I was like, Oh, maybe I'm okay. Well, I had just torn the tendon. I hadn't torn any muscles. And for whatever reason, the little blood that did come from that, like

the way it drained into my body because of where like your adductor longest tendon goes from like your knee to your hip and it tore off my hip. So when it tore, that's where the blood went and the little bit of blood that it released went into my dip and like, so this is Wednesday, I think it was Friday or Saturday, it was Saturday. Cause I remember I like sent a message to the, the, and the PA I think it was Friday or Saturday, it was Saturday. Cause I remember I like sent a message to the, then the PA, I think I saw over the weekend and it was like, Hey, I've got a bruise on the side of my penis. Should I be worried about this?

And like the nurse got back to me on Monday and she's like, no, they said it's fine, but then, so I didn't, I think I waited a couple of days and I told Tim, I'm like, Hey dude, you, you kind of, you kind of broke my dick. It was, it was purple yesterday. And then like, he held onto it for a little while. And I think it was like a week or two later. He's like, dude, can I, so we've got a group chat for all his, well, not all his clients, but a lot of his clients.

So dude, can I, can I tell the team that we broke your dick? And I'm like, yes, you can tell them that you broke my dick. And so now that's, that's been the joke is that, you know, Tim broke my dick because we did myorepsis squats after three by 20 squat day. That's brutal. So did you end up getting a surgery to put the tendon back or how does that work? No, so that so so it actually took me a month to get the torn tendon diagnosed because I Had to go get an MRI and that took forever and then the doctor was a whole thing

so at that point like and I had started doing some research on my own, like looking up like at their longest and in tears, you know, rehab, yada, yada, yada. And I found this like one study that they didn't like football players. And it actually like the outcomes between surgery and like non-surgical intervention were essentially the same as far as like re-injury rates. But the recovery was like a third of the time. Cause like you just like, I took like a month off and then like slowly ease back into things and then was good to go. Um, whereas like surgery, you know, like.

If I would have had surgery when we found it out, it would have probably been six to eight weeks after, and then I would have like another 12 weeks of recovery. So it was like, so I guess it just kind of like reattaches itself to like the muscle there give or take And like regrows or some shit. I don't know I think I knew that now because I got I happened to the similar thing having my buddy Austin he I think he literally blew his adductor in a Competition he was the last Rochester USPA meet

like three or four years ago and then I competition. I think it was the last Rochester USPA meet like three or four years ago. And then I just I always remember he stayed in the meat and like was going to bomb out on bench because he didn't lower anything and he fucking ended up he missed his side. I'm sorry. I didn't know this isn't your story but it was impressive because he missed his over, missed his second and then grinded out his third just bawling like a baby because he was fucking he didn't have an adductor and he was like you know leg driving without a fucking adductor and like a freshly torn one and It was able to stay in the meat and then you know Well, it didn't affect his pull I guess but uh

I'll always fucking remember that kid doing that like just coming this fucking closest to bombing out ever Because he didn't lower his bench knowing that he fucking tore something on the squat. So uh, yeah I can see that. Cause like the thing that was most painful for me, like in the month after was like getting up from like a prone position, like sitting up because it's like pulling all those muscles in that area or like pulling.

And so that was like super painful. And the, you know, one of the potential diagnosis this was a sports hernia when I first did it because like that, like, like doing a sit up was fucking agony. Like I couldn't do that. More than normal. Yeah. But like, like pulling, I pulling came back pretty quick because I compete, like I did

that in March and I competed in my first national June and holds PR on the mammoth bar and it was fine. Like I just put, I just wore strongman hot pants and that seemed to keep everything tight and nice. That's in you. You don't even wear those anymore. I always see you training in fucking jorts. Like you didn't, you didn't feel that they were benefit. Like knowing that you have that basically like, you know,

weak link potential now that to tear again or whatever, like you're not, you're not anal about like, I'm going to wear these, you know, keep the extra compression on because you don't think it's beneficial. No, and I just don't like the evolution ones I have. It makes me have a saggy ass. I did too much work on my glutes to have a saggy ass when I'm training. No, I get that. I get that. Come on. The, the, I, like you've seen me in jorts, like there's, there's enough there.

Like I could, there's a cake there, I guess. Yeah. Uh, was your dick broken when you flash somebody's sister or. Oh shit. Oh shit. That's a good one. That's a good one. No, my dick is so, uh, my dick, my dick is, I think it was, it was my buddy's cousin, actually. I don't know if it was a sister, but yes.

No, we were, we, so, um, New York state, more New York state geography here for everybody. Um, there's a region in, in New York state, the Adirondack mountains. That's a lovely, lovely place. New York state, the Adirondack mountains. That's a lovely, lovely place. Um, I used to go up there like every fourth of July, cause one of my buddies grew up up there and we'd go boating and fuck around and it was a good time. And we were at his uncle's land and like it's on a lake and it's, it's the middle of nowhere. We were drinking all day. So I had to go take a piss. And I went over where I thought no one could see me and his cousin who was younger than us, we were in our twenties, I guess saw me pissing and his uncle didn't like me for a while after that. But it's not like I was, I didn't like,

I wasn't like old school, like, like in the 90s movies of flashers you know with a trench coat right now I was just taking a piss in some bushes and I thought I was good but you know yes I wasn't. Now to you know to to to mend fences with the uncle did you try doing your Jeremy Shockey impression to see if he was or did you show him your deck. Yeah I probably should have shown him my dick. That would have been like,

see everybody can see how unimpressive this is. So like we're good to go now. I wasn't showing this off, look at it. Yeah, I was just trying to take a piss, man. But no, and actually I feel like now with the hair too, like I could really go with my Shockey impression. Like this is really like classic Jeremy shocky there but yeah I used to uh I worked at summer camp for the YMCA like in

college and we would play football with the kids in the morning because what else are you going to do and I would just you know so this was early 2000s and I'm guessing that Jeremy Shocky was pretty good back then I yeah Blankie man, there was his era. He was he was like, yeah I would I don't even know who that is. I use a tight end for Miami that played for the Giants in the NFL Oh, yeah, okay. I don't feel bad about not knowing that there's no fucking no. Yeah. Yes He was he was drafted by the Giants and then played for the Saints at the end of his career. I believe He's drafted by the Giants and then played for the Saints at the end of his career, I believe.

He was in the long run of like Miami put like first round tight ends in the league for like either every year or every other year for like a decade. It seemed like in the early 2000s and he was like one of those guys. But yeah, was he the first one or was there someone before him? I just remember him his rookie year like he was just trucking people like no one else had done. So I was probably in high school, so like, 0203, 04, somewhere in that realm. He was just laying people out.

So do you think you have a shocky impression, or was it more of a visual thing than it was an audio thing? I would just moss kids and yell, shocky who with them. That's pretty much all it was. That was not that I think, like, I don't know if I could tell you what Jeremy Shockey talking sounds like. I got you.

I don't know, it probably sounds like every normal white guy from, who is about our, not much older than us. We are all nailing that impression right now. Yeah, pretty much. You know, except you guys don't have the hair. Like that's the only thing that I have because he had long hair for a while there. You know, we are rounding out to about an hour and a half. So it might be time to jump into some games pretty soon.

I, but there is one thing I wanted to talk about a little bit of a serious conversation here. Recently had my son assessed. Very, we're waiting on the full diagnosis, but we'd be crazy to think he doesn't have ADHD. You know, he's got the oppositional defiance going, he's got the violent outbursts. He's got, he's got a lot of stuff going. And that has also, you know, kind of had me looking at myself. Um, now I understand you've gone through this. Yeah. Is it something you're comfortable?

Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, totally. I'm. I, he's so interested in me talking about this stuff. Um, he's five and a half. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I's five and a half. Okay.

Yeah. I will be 40 in like three months. And, you know, I, I don't talk about this a lot, but it's been one of those things where, you know, even the other day I woke up and he had hit his mom and. Naturally I'm awake for 30 seconds from my first instinct is to walk in there and yell at him, but you can't because then like he just escalates and he storms off and he sits on the couch and he's growling as he's crying. And then I realized, damn it, like I have the emotional regulation issues that he has.

Now I'm looking at myself as possible diagnosis and all of that kind of stuff. So I understand that you've gone through this and, and you know, it'd be, if you want to share anything, share little, share none. It would help me personally at least. Yeah. So our oldest order he's nine. It's funny. We had his curriculum night tonight for school. So like we were talking to all his teachers and, um, it's good. I'll get to some of that, but like, so he was our first kid and your son's your oldest dude, right, Joey?

So like, we don't know anything as parents, like we're just, we're figuring it all out. Yeah. Like I was just like, ah, I don't know. So yes, he was a, he was a super like reactive kid. But like also he's like the sweetest, like when he's well, especially well, we'll get to where he's at now. But like back then, like he was the sweetest kid ever,

like when he was sweet, but then when he was like. Emotionally dysregulated, it was a fucking nightmare. And like, didn't know what to do. And like, I had similar reactions to you, like yelling at him, like whatever, and it would just, it could turn into this thing where we'd like everybody be spiraling and it would just be like, well, who's,

what am I doing here as the parent? I'm just making this worse. Yep. So, and also the other thing that kind of fucked shit up with them was his, um, his kindergarten school year was COVID, like he started September of 2020. So like, and, and this isn't anything against his school, like we've had, like, we love our school district and our school and everything. but he had a, a long-term sub because the primary teacher was on maternity

leave and the long-term sub was going to go on maternity leave like halfway through the year. And it was just, it was just like a shit show of a year. Yeah. It's tumultuous. And that a normal kid wouldn't be able to, sorry, a typical child wouldn't be able to go through that. Yeah. Yeah. So towards the end of the year, I think we started, like we, I think we started with like family counseling because we're like, this isn't working. Like we're not doing something right. And we had our youngest at that time. He was, he was born in April of 19. So now we've got this four person family and we're trying to figure stuff out. So we get him diagnosed with ADHD and I was talking to like a coworker about it and he's like, you should read this book ADHD 2.0.

So you should read that book too, Joey. It's quick. It's, it's an easy read. He's like, you should read it. It's, it's a good book. It will give you a lot of insight on like what's up with this. And so I read it and as like, as I'm reading the book, I'm like, what the fuck? Like, did they write this book about me? Yeah. And I was like, oh shit, I probably should, I probably should have figured this out

like a long time ago too. Cause like, like I said, I worked, I worked in addiction. So like I understood mental health. Like I had coworkers who had ADHD and like we got along really good and could just like rip off each other, except when she hadn't taken her meds in the morning and we had to facilitate groups together and they'd be like, you can't talk until

your meds kick in. Um, but it was like, oh shit. Okay, cool. This is, this is making so much more sense. Like the, um, you know, I think I wrote in the thing, Keith, like it was like the puzzle pieces were starting to get put in that I didn't know weren't there before. Um, so then it was like, okay, I should go like get myself diagnosed. So like the kids can say, like, as they're going through their life, Hey, my dad had this diagnosis. And so like, yeah, but then as I did that, I was like, people kept saying to me like,

do you want to just like, try some meds? Like it might help a little bit. I was like, you know, like I've made, I'm 38, 39, like what's it going to do? But then last year I found a provider and started taking some Adderall and it's pretty great. Makes me less anxious. I don't know. That's the one thing it does for me. It just makes me not like freak out about everything because my brain still does this constantly if you guys haven't been able to figure that out in the hour and a half that we've been talking. But at least when it's doing this, I'm not just like then feeling like the whole time that it's doing that. So yeah, it's, you know, I know, I think that's part

of being a good parent is you learn from your kids and figure that shit out. And like, you know, I don't know, our parents, our parents didn't know any different. And like back then, like when we were kids, if you got like an ADD diagnosis, it was more like you're a bad kid and you're like unruly and unmanageable, which like, that's not the case for these kids. Like we heard from my son's, like my son's teachers tonight, like he's doing awesome, like he's, he's got so much potential. He's so bright because he's this kid that I know every parent says this, but this is like, my son is like smarter than shit.

Yeah. And it's like, but we just got to learn how to harness that. Like, and that's the cool thing about ADHD. It's a superpower too, when it works the right way. Yeah. Or in, um, on his first day meeting the teacher for junior kindergarten said, I can count to 20. And she was like, I don't believe you year four. And he did it. And so like the report cards are always like, he's compassionate and he helps other kids and he plays with the students that have special needs and

Like he does all of these he can recognize capital letters and we've never even gotten into that before and they're like he's so smart in All of this until he's mad and then when he's mad it's gangbusters Right, and then you know that kind of looks at me and I was just like, oh no Right. I'm all of those things. I'm not right. And then you start realizing that, you know, all of a sudden in my household, when he needs to calm down, he finds me. Right. And that for me is huge because I was never the calm person in the house. And even people listen to this podcast for the past seven thousand years. I'm Julie. Yeah, I'm the calm one in the house because when he's overregulated,

he comes and finds me. Right. And it's because I'm the one that will go, OK, let's breathe, let's talk, let's get through it, because I know because I have to do that to myself now to do it to him. So I had another friend that said the same thing. Her kid got diagnosed and then she got diagnosed and then she went on the same meds as her kid and she was like, I'm sleeping. I'm not tired anymore.

Like you can be a better parent because you have like that for me. So the biggest thing that the one thing, well, not the one thing, but the thing that like I noticed the most that was like, as soon as I, as I started taking meds, I was like, Oh, this is sweet. Um, I do, I do most of the morning stuff at our house. Cause I'm, I'm just a morning person and I'm up and whatever what works for our family. And I'd always be stressed out like every day. Even though I knew it was like,

I was mostly on the same schedule and I knew we were all gonna get out of the house and we're gonna get to places on time. But that's like a thing that I have. Like I get anxious about being on time. Once I started taking meds, I was able, like my brain was able to tell itself like, hey, shit head, like you've literally done this

hundreds of times already, like chill out, like you've literally done this hundreds of times already, like, chill out, like, you're gonna be fine. You never had control, you just had anxiety about it. Like, that was it. Like, now, now I just, I still don't have control, but at least I'm not anxious about it. Yeah. I just be like, oh, cool.

Okay. Well, thank you for sharing, because I'm going through it right now. We are, we aren't at the level of me getting diagnosed because I need to do a physical I need to do a bunch of other stuff and part of that conversation is going to be like, hey, maybe it's time I go talk to somebody right? Yeah, I just I don't I don't know how it works in Canadian healthcare and sorry this is like a weird left hand right hand turn, but just the ODD thing, just be, cause that's, that's a diagnosis that like can carry and it always isn't great to have attached. So hopefully it's not. It's probably the same. Um, but I gotta say that the thing that made me get him tested was

discovering what ODD was. Yeah. So there, you know, when we friend died, she died October 5th. And I had to have a conversation because she was a big part of his life in it for a couple of years. So Auntie Morgan passed away. We're never going to see her again, just so you know. So when we go to this thing tomorrow, people are going to be sad. And he goes, well, I'm going to be happy. And I'm like, why? Well, because if other people are sad, I'm going to be happy somebody died. And it's just like he doesn't, but he just immediately has to oppose what you're doing. And it's like, dude, I don't, I can't right now. So I'm aware, I'm aware. And I know, same with personality disorders, you know't like that's a thing that never really goes away that's a that's the thing that carries with you forever but. I love my son but the oppositional stuff is there like it is for sure.

And we're we'll get through it and I hope if other parents are listening to this and they're going through this thank you for sharing your journey. I'm sure if I get asked I will share mine but we try not to do too much serious goose here, but I saw it there and then I was like, I want to talk to somebody else about this right now, please. So we had this game. I'm glad that that worked out. We do, we do have some games. We have some games you like to play.

No, I'm glad Lucas was able to share that. I feel that, you know, I think it's always beneficial to talk about shit like that and be able to just, you know, be able to share with others that are going through similar things. Lucas basically, you know, shared that whole thing with me a few months ago, last time he was over here for a lift.

And I thought it was great that he could open up about that and, you know, be proud of himself for being able to get diagnosed as a 40-year-old man, essentially. And that's just, that's just cool. People would actually take their mental health serious and, you know, hope everyone can strive to do that in their personal lives. But we

want to say one more serious thing. As one of my other favorite podcasts says, your mental health, shit, I'm gonna fuck it up. But paraphrase it. It's not your fault, but it's your responsibility. Yeah, like that. That's a good one. I like that a lot. Yeah, it's not a reason for anything. Right. It is the reason, but it's not an excuse. Right. I agree with you on that one. Yeah. OK. Silly games. Let's go. Yeah, let's go.

Well, I just I'll hit you with an FMK and we'll let Joey do it. No rush more likely. I'm going to hit you with a couple ofKs if he's gone for a minute. So fuck merry kill. Let's go with log, stones and yoke. So log press, stone lifts, yoke carries I suppose would be what it is. Yes, yoke being placed on your back and having to run with it. Yeah, it's the fucking, it's the fucking worst. So we're going to, we're going to kill Yoke forever.

Yeah. Which is funny, because when I got into Strongman, my whole thing was I'm an athlete and this is I can do athletic things, but Yoke is just terrible and sucks. And I hate people like Mitch Hooper and. West Rinsky, naming two Canadians here while Joey's gone, who are very good at it. Yeah, so we're gonna kill Yoke.

Well, we can fuck with Log because occasionally it behaves and likes to be my friend. And then we're going to marry stones because picking up rocks is always the best. And rocks rocks are our friends. I came back at the right time rocks. Yep, you want to hit the listeners with your best log press and your best stone pick?

Uh, best log press, which is this is this is embarrassing, so I'm a split jerker for all you people who, who like to split jerk. But my best log press is actually push press. And I just hit it a couple of weeks ago, 260 pounds, which is not impressive as a 240 pound man, but whatever. Uh, my best stone load is 400 and change. I forget what it is.

Four Oh five, whatever the big one that we have at the, um, at the gym. Um, but I, hopefully I, you know, hopefully I'll get Barney soon. So all of our stones at East have barbell have names. Well, not all of them, but a lot of them do Barney's the four 30. So, uh, now that, now that my coach is back. He went on the ollie side quest for a little while So now that he's coming back to the the promised land of strongman We'll pick up some rocks together and that that will hopefully get me to the 430 Did you see the video of him breaking the 200? I did I did

Set the day you were there. Yeah I was yeah I was like fucking three feet away from him when he did it cuz I was getting ready to fucking lift the 200 because I had Got the 175 and I was like, alright I'm gonna probably tap out at 200 and then he broke the 200 and then it was the 240 and I was like I ain't lifting the 240 and then I get got out of that real quick. Yeah, it's Chris's fault. He said But I'm gonna I gotta go. It's. Okay, that's my pan. I will be Right back. So, uh, yeah, no actually. Oh, did he leave? No, he just went off video. Okay

What you got buddy? I don't know this idea that You know at 240 pounds being over the overhead press a log at 260 But just quick chat about that kind of leverage idea your body weight. Does it really have anything to do with your overhead press a log at 260. Just quick chat about that kind of leverage idea. Your body weight. Does it really have anything to do with your overhead press? I can see why squats and deadlift, right? Because when you're if you're a hunt, let's say I'm 160 pounds, OK? For me to be able to deadlift 160 pounds, well, I do that every day.

I stand up right. So like you should be able to do your body weight At some leverage because you're you're leveraging your body weight against the pole a little bit Right. I know there is strength factored. So but I feel like your overhead press Doing your body weight or more like that's all muscle. There's no leverage. That's all just strength over your head again, I'm not a coach. I don't know anything like but I Would say it's similar to the bench as far as like yeah Well, no cuz bench I guess more man. I don't know

I've gained fucking a lot of weight in my binge only went up fucking 20 but 10 or 15 pounds So yeah, but you're not Leveraging your weight again. Yeah. Yeah. No, I and as You're not leveraging your weight against. Yeah, yeah, no. And maybe a strict press, no, probably. A push press or a split, I don't know enough about split jerks, I know, but like a push press, you think like more body weight. You're a split jerk.

Yeah, yeah, but like the more, the bigger your body is, the more speed, speed's not the right word, but like intensity you can like put into that dip and press so if like if you are a bigger human you would be able to create more velocity you would think yeah because you're using your legs yeah you're using your legs as far as a straight-up strict press probably not but it's just bigger having bigger triceps and having bigger fucking traps and yeah a neck like I don't know

Yeah, I just when he said I don't want to do the he's when he did his body I think I was like just fucking credible because you're not your body weight Doesn't in my opinion reflect your overhead press No, right if somebody if some 260 pound guy came to me and told me my dad was for shit, but he was only doing 315, I'd be like, buddy, like you relax, like you weigh a hundred pounds more than me. Your body weight would reflect that lift. I wouldn't say the same thing on that. I think the only person I know that's got a good overhead press,

it's actually impressive was Greg knuckles uncle who, you know, after 40 years and not touching a barbell, you know, unreacted 405 and just did it for uncle who, you know, after 40 years of not touching a barbell, you know, on Rack 405, he just did it for reps, apparently. You know, similar to his mom squatting through 15 the first time. The only two impressive reps I've heard about on Massonomics Podcasts in a very long time. I think I'm just, uh, I, I had my headphones in, so I've listened to everything, Joey. I think it's just, I'm also skewed because, you know, like one of the dudes in our lifting crew who's same, you know, roughly the same size as me, like.

That's three 30. Yeah. He had three 30, three 40. I think Evan can split jerk and like push presses over three, you know, but also literally his back. Like, if you look at me, like his back is like this wide and he's got very, I've got gorilla arms. So that's why I'm good at stones and dead. But I don't have good leverages for doing this.

That makes sense too. No, that that makes perfect sense. I had somebody the other day, uh, from the, uh, the place where the Highland games happen here in the area and I was like, Oh yeah, I attended and she goes, Oh, do you throw? And I was like, no. And she got like, I guess my back is the thing that says I do like capers or something, because she was like, Oh, you look like you should. And it was just like, again, it's the back.

It's the even a small guy like me. People are like, you should be doing that. So, yeah, I can see that. But I just say, yeah, you're you're you're doing more than me. I can barely do my body weight in overhead press, but I can deadlift to add not point nine times. Right. But again, body leverages, stuff like that. So yeah. Welcome back.

I know. I know. It's joining us to get a log in an axle in some bumper place. I want to train outside for a few months. I want a log. It just won't work in the basement. Say what the final is. Yeah, it's just it has to be seasonal. Like, like, like, like, like I can only fuck. I'm only going to log press when it's not fucking 30 degrees outside. So it season. Yeah, I know. I'd be on the winter. You know, you know, awesome. It is the lift in the snow. When my deadlift platform was

out in the driveway, I would look in the snow all the time. The beard is all just like covered in snow and you're just like, you look like a Yeti and you're out there just hauling weight. It looks fucking dope. Um, so I'm going to go into my Mount Rushmore. Is that okay? That's where it came the Mount Rushmore of the golden girls. Ooh, mountain. I mean there is only four, so I do kind of want you to. Yeah. Okay. So, so this is, this is only four, so I do kind of want you to rank them. Yeah.

Okay. So this is like a bad inside joke from like my band days where we would sing it. But no, no, no. But that's why the Golden Girls is a thing. But so this is, I'm going to be really bad at this because I don't remember any of their names, but, um, so, so, so the, the number, my number one, one is the old lady, the, the mom, Sophia, Sophia, she's, she's the shit. So she's great. So then I think probably got to go, um, with the Arthur after that, right? Cause she was like the sassy one, Dorothy

was like ready to hot to try. Right. So she'd be number two then Betty white. Cause she's just a gem and a, an American treasure would be number three. And then whoever the fourth one was, that would be, yeah. Blanche. She's just, she's, you know, she's there. No, so that would be yeah Blanche she's just she's you know she's there you know so that would be that that's you know there's only four of them so that's all you can have on Mount Rushmore but ranking and so I guess then that gets into who are they on Mount Rushmore and that's a whole nother conversation we don't we don't talk about politics here you know that'd be that would be too critical right okay bonus points and Lucas, which golden girl are you? The old lady has all the singers, doesn't she?

Like, no, no, she doesn't. I mean, most of them I've seen like two episodes. So I can't. Oh, Keith, what the? OK, we've talked about that in the discord. I'm trying to get Stephanie to watch it, but every time we try to watch it, it's all blurry and shit. So it's one of my favorite sitcoms of all time. And I don't like sitcoms in general, but I will, I will go to bat for golden girls.

I'd say, you know, I think I'd probably be Betty White's character based on what I know of the golden girls, all the Minnesota talk and all the weird shit she comes up with. Yeah, yeah. Like I will reference the most asinine niche as you would say, Joey. I don't know if it's appropriate, this niche or niche bullshit. But yeah, just don't ask Tommy. Yeah. Yeah, all right. Well, I think you passed all those and you want to

I'll start off with a little unpaid or underrated. Are you familiar with this relatively new game? We came up with all by ourselves Yeah, I think I think I know so druthers are allowed unpaid You know would be something that you know might be considered a little under overrated and underrated something you're kind of a fan of So we hit you with some Lucas specific topics and you'll also just tell us if they're unpaid or underrated. So big Lucas number one here, macro factor, unpaid or underrated. I was told you use this app. I hope that was accurate. It is very accurate. I have so this, uh, this is actually like my third. Version of this app. I use the Renaissance periodization app for a little while.

Then I switched over to carbon, which is, um, Lane Norton's app. And then I switched over to macro factor, which I was blown away when you guys were talking about and didn't realize that you guys didn't know that knuckles was macro. But I don't know. Both of you live under rocks, but like, Oh, that's guys didn't know that knuckles was the one behind macro family. I never heard of both of you live under rocks, but like, oh, that's, I feel like that's something you should have known being in that space. I mean, in all fairness, I don't know who he is or what that app is.

But how did you like, so did you start after he was on last time? Like you, you didn't listen. Very likely. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So you haven't got back. Or I did listen to it and didn't care because I didn't know who he was. Oh, I don't really follow all the guests like I

as much as I support Mastinomics. There's some guests that I just won't. Yeah, they have to say something. I'm not going to follow Turbo from fucking America or Nitro from American Gladiators. Yeah, there's just certain people like I'm not going to. But I mean, I don't know. I think I found me.

I don't know if I still do, honestly. Yeah, I already felt knuckles before that and like, like did a bunch of his training and like them, but whatever. OK, so macro factor, though, unpaid or underrated. Can't write the line. Nope, not allowed. I feel like as far as macro tractor or macro. Jesus macro. There's the title name. Nope, not allowed. I feel like as far as macro tractor or never. Jesus.

Macro. There's the title name. As far as macro trackers go, I would say it's underrated because I do the whole thing that it's like agnostic to like what you did is fantastic. Like it just tells you whatever and it doesn't yell at you. Like I remember when I was doing carbon and I was trying to like reverse diet and it was telling me to eat like 4,000 calories and I gained like six pounds in a week. It was like, sure, keep eating 4,000 calories. And I was like, bro, this isn't gonna work. It's not how this works. 4000 calories and I was like bro

What's what's that run a month out of curiosity Macro factor. Yeah So I do this a year thing I do the yearly and I think it was 65 bucks per year I think it's 10 bucks a month if you if you pay monthly, but then No, you get a little discount if you pay for a year upfront. And maybe I still have a discount. Like, I don't know if that's 10% carried over every year. I think I use just bit nurse when I signed up like two years ago, because it actually just renewed this month. So I'm on my like third year of it.

Oh, sweet. Yeah. I've, I, uh, I always started my recent weight loss journey, you know, a couple months ago. I've stayed true to the whole idea of wanting to lose weight, but I had to get out of the tracking apps. I just, I didn't feel, I just, I got too obsessed with it there for like a month and it just, it was a, I know, it was too time consuming because I was just using a free app. That was just a pain in my dick. So, you know, it made my dick purple with such a pain.

So it just wasn't. So if I was to get back into it, I would maybe experiment with macro factor. I'm kind of waiting for crew falls and I want to like, just borrow someone's phone for five minutes and like look who has macro factors. I'm sure at least a couple of people will there and just kind of be like, all right, this is what the app does. This is how you use it. Cause like, I don't want to waste 25 minutes to a half hour a day on the app.

I'm willing to give it, I'm willing to give it like six minutes. And if I have to pay a hundred bucks a year to give it six minutes a day, like to, to, to, to maybe, but. Yeah, I think that's probably about the amount of time I spend on it, but you know, next time I come over to the lobs, I'll let you fuck around on it. Yeah, you gotta catch Tim.

Yeah. All right, so unpaid or underrated blobs. Ooh. Blob training for grip strength. Well, actually, no, not for grip strength, blob training for fun, I guess, for however you wanna take it, but yeah, not necessarily specific to grip training I

Would say the blobs are underrated like they're fun and I feel well, maybe it's because I'm good at them like because you know, I Tim's the only one who's gotten your heaviest one and the second heaviest one that I got like not many people have gotten that right so like I think it's just like a thing and it's like it's it's so easy but like so cool like I'm just gonna put this from the ground to a bench like hey anyone not familiar with what a blob is it's it's it's It's a old style York dumbbell, like what my and Tanner collection is of, but it's like just one head of that

with the handle and the other piece not attached. And it's laying vertically on the ground and you have to pick it up with your hand and basically try to either lock it up, like stand up with it like it's a deadlift kind of, or sit it on another object, like usually like a bench or a table. So it's just more of a, it's a deadlift kind of or sit it on another object, like usually like a bench or a table. So it's just more of a, it's a grip strength thing,

but it's more of an exhibition of like strength and fun with your homies. And it is actually like, I'm gonna get better at this sport by doing this. Cause it's more, you know, Brian Shaw does it all the time in his videos. If you've seen that. I've only done it once.

And it was in your gym after doing an RPE 10 deadlift. Yeah, you did. Then going, fuck it. I'm still gonna do rp 10 deadlift. Yeah, you did then going fuck it I'm still gonna do another 400 pound deadlift after that for fun And then Chris goes Joey go try the blobs and I couldn't I don't even got the 12 pound one I was just like Like I can't like I just exhausted myself on deadlifts Yeah, I think the first time I tried them. I was I just yo load Yeah, you did like a 700 pound fucking axle deadlift or something. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no, that

was that. No, that was the first time I came and left. I didn't do the blobs then. It was your birthday this year. And I just came over and yo load 18 inch deadlifts because you had them and I pulled like that's right. I don't know over six beltless. I think I was going to try to pull seven just to fuck with John. But I did blobs afterwards because I just was coming to hang out. Like I think I was drinking a beer the whole time I was deadlifting. It's like, I don't know, I guess, were you born 18 inches?

Someone was born 18 inches. I'm like, oh, I might as well. Yeah, were you pulling 18-inch or someone was pulling 18-inch? I might as well Yeah Actually, I think you brought yours over and then you just never because I ended up borrowing them for like because it was right when I think I decided to get into the lift hard live easy So yeah, it was because I had those shitty Titan ones and then you let me borrow your good ones Yeah. All right, big Lucas my last one here for you unpaid or underrated, being a natty lifter competing against untested guys and strongmen.

Oh, 100% underrated. It's so much better when you beat them. So much fun. It's, you know, what's, you know, what's really sweet is going to Canada and competing in a against we, I competed against a dude who won Canada's strongest man and I beat him on the dead. Okay. Like in the amount of gear this dude was on. What was still is I remember his name? Yeah, shit. I'll say I care. It's something. It's like G pro is like he's a French Canadian guy. Ah, fucking.

Well, we have a deadlift. We might know what his name is, but he doesn't, you know, it's. Yeah, I might know who I honestly might know. Yeah, I'll send you. I'll send you I'll send you his his IG but I can't remember but yeah like so so we've become friends with Wes Derwinsky. Do you know Wes Joey? He was from he's from Niagara Falls area but he he actually he held the keg toss world record with, uh, Hooper and whoever got it at world's strongest man this last year, but he is a Niagara falls guy, um, he's out, he's between Niagara falls and Detroit ish area, whatever, what's, um, what's the Canadian city on the other side?

Niagara falls in Detroit. Those two don't line up. That'd be, no, no, no. So, no, he's so okay. He has a Niagara falls guy,. Those two don't line up. That'd be winter. No, no, no. So, no, he's so okay. He has a Niagara falls guy, but his wife moved out, whatever. What's the Canadian city that's winter on the other side, winter. Thank you. Sorry.

But so he's Windsor now, but, um, he just competed this last week and actually at the giants live show. Um, but we made friends with him because he knew some of the Buffalo strongman guys that we had. And so he, um, he ran a couple of shows and Tim and I, my coach went over and did them. And the second one we did, like there was legit, like pro Canadian strongmen doing this, you know, like random car park show. And I got third in the deadlift.

I was like one of so it was like a rising bar car deadlift. So like you did a wrap, but they threw some sandbags on, did another rep through some sandbags on and, you know, I don't know, they threw like five sandbags out and then you wrapped it out. I got third. I think I, I got all the sandbags and then got two or three more reps. And I think, you know, like I said, like, you know, one or two other people beat me. So, and they all thought that when I told them how old I was at that show, they're

like, I was 38, 37 at the time. They're like, we thought you were like 24. So I have a young look and they just, all of them were in their 20s, but looked older than me because they were on lots of steroids. So many of the East Ave crew that Lucas is like a part of that I'll occasionally go and train with when they realize I'm almost 40, they're like, what? Like I get it almost every time when like someone finds out how old I am. I'm like, yeah, dude, I'm, they're like, I thought you were like your late 20s, early

30s. Like, yeah, well, thank you. But I guess come, come come look come look at me in the morning when I have these big fucking bags under my eyes and tell Me I'm like not 40. Yeah All right, Keith, what's your what's your next one? It's your turn buddy. Do you do two or one? Oh you did? Yeah, I pulled the blobs out of the field I added like six. Yep. All right. All right. Yeah, hit him with the one I just highlighted. All right, big Lucas.

This is a let's go, you know, a man from Buffalo area. So you know, wings are a big, big, big important thing down there. Everyone thinks that Buffalo's made them. So flats, unpaid or underrated? So this is, I've had an evolution on this. I would say a handful of years ago, I would have said unpaid like all day, every day.

I thought flats were the stupidest thing on the face of the planet. Why do flats exist? Just give me drumsticks all day every day. But I feel I lately I've come around and I feel like they're kind of underrated. Like there's something about the extra work that it takes to eat them. And like still, well, there's they're unpaid in that you don't get nearly as much like there's there's less meat but I feel like there's more skin I don't know so I would say they

they've become underrated for me but that was that's that's a recent decision I used to be very unpaid on them is is the skin purple hopefully not if you're if you're chicken wing skin is purple. Call your doctor. Well, it's because especially after four hours. I find that drums have more cartilage and shit and it's harder to eat. Whereas the whites like they're more they're the flats. They're more consistent like white meat. Right. Yeah, I just call them the way I did.

Yeah, my brain did not work properly there. It took me a second. Yeah, because I wanted to say white meat and it just yeah, I thought that. And it's probably not even white meat. It's probably dark meat because the wings and that's just, you know. But either way, like, yeah, I find that the flats are a lot more interesting to me. But it's returned to mock to write every once in a while. I'm like, I need ribs because I need the pleasure of ripping something off the bone. Sorry to all the vegetarian

listeners we have. I'm sure that's a huge portion of the crew. Yeah, right. I imagine there's at least three in the, in out of the 500. So I have one random and three music related. Which one would you like first? Let's go with the music one and then we'll go random. I've got three music ones. Okay. Okay. Unpaid or underrated?

Zach Wild. So he's definitely underrated for how jacked he is. Is it the horseshoe triceps? You see him lately? He was like the first dude, like him and Kerry King were the first like super jack metal guys. And he used to be like the super skinny, like, you know,

like 80s air metal guys. So that was pretty cool. Um, I'm going to say, I feel bad because I'm saying underrated for everything, but like, I feel like he's underrated, like just what he like did for Ozzie's career and just him as like a player, uh, in general. Although I feel like maybe he's got like some problem. I don't know. I haven't kept up with him, but like, maybe he's kind of problematic in the way he looks the world these days, but who knows? I don't know. He seems, yeah, I don't follow that version. I know we had like a side project back in the day called, I think it was called like Leonard skinhead, which was like a joke.

It was like this like sort of like Southern rock thing. So hopefully that doesn't mean anything bad. Yeah, I didn't know. I know. I knew about pride and glory, but I didn't know about that one. Oh, interesting. Yeah, huge. I, well, I hope not because I have a black label society tattoo.

Like I'm a huge Zach Wild fan and you know, hopefully, he seems like a chill dude from like what I under what I've read about him. But yeah, he had to quit drinking recently too. Right. So that's yeah. He got that message from his doctor. So hopefully that, you know, well, okay. That was fun. Unpaid or underrated ACDC. Uh, I'm going to have to say unpaid.

Like, you know, it's like the one thing there's a really fun, uh, game that we play at Bill's tailgates that I go to. It's thunderstruck at the drinking game. So you stand in a big circle and every time they say thunder, you start drinking. And then when they say stop, like you go to the next person. So like, you know, the intro, it's not too bad. And then they get to that last one before like the first verse and someone gets fucked because like they say thunder and then they don't say it for another another like literally minute and a half of the song. So that is definitely underrated. But other than that, it's very, very unpaid at this point. ACDC like, yeah.

Yeah. It's one of those ones where like I'm in a mood and I'll want to hear it, but there's a very rarely an instance that I keep a straight face listening to ACDC. Yeah. Oh, there's, there's, there's a certain, like, if I plug into a certain type of guitar and amp, I'm going to play back in black and see what it sounds like. You have to because like, I want, I want to hear that sound, but then it's like, okay, cool. And then there's always the vocals. Um, I saw there's a really funny, like joke on the internet where it's like,

Oh, well, our band is called ACDC, but which one of us should be the singer. And then the guy's just like, it's just like, it's so fucking on bar. But yeah, but also that that cock rock stadium rock business, I wanted to hear from a guitarist. My last guitar question. Unpaid or underrated, and this does have a bit of a backstory for me, so I'm hoping it has them for you, playing James Brown songs. Definitely underrated. Really?

It is. Like, so you would think it would be easy. But it's not. I heard it was boring. If you're doing it right, it's not. Alright. That's, that's, oh, so for me, like, that's my bread and butter. Like that is, if I could be like a rhythm guitar player in a funk band, like sign me up. I would do that all day, man.

I would just chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chicka chick chicka, chicka, chicka, chicka, chicka, chicka, I would, I could do that for 20 minutes if you're in the right situation. Cause it's about feeling, it's about listening to everybody else and like being, like making the whole groove like work together. And it's like, it's so much fun when it's happening right.

If it's happening wrong, then it's, oh geez, like stab me in the face, please. They get me off stage. Um, but yeah, it is, uh, it's definitely underrated man, like, cause it's, it's not as easy as it looks like any of that stuff. Like everybody listens to you. You listen to Dan Brown, like they're just, you know, like the payback is a great one.

You know, it's just that same thing. know, like the payback is a great one. You know, it's just that same thing. And that just like same drum group, like doesn't stop, but like to do that good for. Seven minutes and then be like James, just be like, hit me and you know, you got to do this. Yeah, yeah. It's not you got it. You got to be on. You got to be on your shit, man. You got to be listening and paying attention. So that's under underrated. Everything James Brown does underrated. I even like his Christmas album.

It comes just from a time that one day they were I was watching a cover band and the guitarist just like at the end of the song was just like, can we fucking stop that? And he did like a probably like a seven, not seven minute, like let's say three minute comedy bit about just all the things you think about while you're playing it. And he was just like, and he's just like, I think the stove on, like he was just going off about it because it's like, it's so brainless. But I guess when you're doing that hover version that has to be so perfect that the crowd needs to recognize it, maybe that's why he got bored.

So, yeah, I don't know, man. He must not have a good drummer. Like that's if you've got a good drummer that you're playing it with, then it's like, then it's fun. Yeah. Yeah. I know. And that's, that's a good, different perspective of mine.

Uh, the last one finally that I'm giving you, we're hitting you with like seven or eight today, uh, unpaid or underrated Dan Marino. This is, I feel like this is going to be like the most Homer ish Homer ish thing that I could say, but unpaid, like he was really good for the time, but it's shown that he's like, yeah, he's not as good. And you see, he's a dick too. He's a bit of a. Dan Reno is a huge dick. So that like, so that's one thing, like being a Bill's fan and like loving Josh Allen more than a grown man should love another grown man that he's

never met before, probably like Josh just seems like a good dude. So it's like, okay. And my kid loves him. So, but Dan Marino just, I don't know, he's just arrogant. So he's, he's, he's unpaid. He never won the big game. Not that Jim Kelly ever did either, but he at least went to more than Dan did. No, he went once and then never got the Superbowl after that. So yeah, Dan Marino, unpaid. Unpaid. There we go. There we go.

I got an unpaid in there finally, but you, I feel like that was a softball Joey. You give me. Well, would he be underrated if he'd held the laces out for Ray Finkel? Well, they would have wanted, they would have wanted a Super Bowl then. Yeah.

Right. So then maybe he would have been underrated, but yeah. That's like, so my my generation of bills fans. Like the dolphins was like, are like, I hate the dolphins. I don't like them at all. Like the Patriots I disliked because Tom Brady, but like it was the Patriots. Everybody hates the Patriots. Well, yeah, but you know, it's like, whatever, like what?

And now they suck again. So it's like great. And they're going to fire their coach already. So that's pretty cool. So, yeah. All right. Well, you passed on paid and underrated and even got the bonus points for the Ray Finkel joke.

Keith, did you catch the Ray Finkel joke? Do you know what it's from? Yeah, buddy. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Ace Ventura for the David's for the David. Yes.

That's from Ace Ventura guys. We are, this is a long one. Um, but I mean, that's from Ace Ventura guys We are this is a long one But I mean that's no reason to stop No, it said though That's I like the episodes when you have your homies on and you don't realize it's already over two hours And we still have I know he had mentioned some up before we recorded Yeah, good ones for us, so I think it's time for Lucas to you know turn to turn it around on us and see what he's Got for us

Okay So this is and my headphones are dying here so we'll see how much we can get out of this but for both of you and I kind of include myself in this least fun most fun about becoming a master's lifter in the next year So you can go first the the most I think about this a lot sometimes. Just, so for powerlifting specifically, I guess, being able to like, more or less guarantee you're gonna take home a medal,

because there's only, the likelihood that there's three, there's, well, because even at three, you're still taking home a medal, that there's four masters in your weight class that's like not existent, you know, and sub masters. Last year, I thought I was golden, and then like, you're thinking like seven sub masters at the fucking Lift Hard, Live Easy in your weight class. I'm like, wellent, you know, in sub masters, last year I thought I was golden, and then like, you look like seven sub masters at the fucking lift hard, live easy in your weight class,

and I'm like, well, fuck you guys, I guess I don't get a medal this year. But I think I actually did that one year. But I guess the most, so that's, so, bleh. That's the most fun in powerlifting. The most fun for strongman will be, you know, not having to go novice, but still getting slightly lighter weights.

So, you know, as someone who's never, I'm never gonna have the strength of the open class in my weight range in Strongman Just ever it's legitimately never gonna happen So at least in Masters, you know take 20% off everything kind of give or take is what it looks like from what I've seen From from Iron Podium and I can do those weights maybe yeah So being able to actually still compete in the sport that I'm falling in love with of strongman and not have to fucking get my balls busted for still doing novice after a year you know well fuck you I'm a master's I'm literally masters next time I compete in strongman you fucks I guess the least fun about all of that would just be that

you know the act the act of getting older and still being a competitive lifter and the excruciating knee and calf pain I'm experiencing right now. I had a fucking compression cuff on my calf all night and I did so much work on trying to work out this huge charley horse I had last night that brought me to tears like two days before I have to have a competition where I'm trying to push press aggressively. I'm like, oh, I really hope my knee and fucking calf hold up. So yeah, just the pain of becoming older and just life in general.

Like I, you know, when I had a pretty aggressive work week the last two weeks on a project. So a lot of bending and twisting and going up and downstairs and getting my fat ass in awkward positions on around furnaces and stuff. So it was just a lot of pain from work this week that maybe I wouldn't have had at 25. What about you, Joey?

Least fun, most fun becoming masters? Most fun, I, except for being sick all the time, I'm actually in pretty decent shape. And sharing that story earlier where I just, it's not a lot lot of weight but it was 270 pounds for five reps and it was fucking butter is huge for me because like I could I just went and did it very little warm-up feeling like trash had a terrible month terrible week but forced myself to go in just knowing that I'm still strong right am I gonna say like the strongest I'm not the biggest dude I'm still strong, right? Am I gonna say like the strongest?

I'm not the biggest dude. I'm not like the alpha silverback, whatever. I'm not that type of guy. But knowing that like I'm still in decent shape turning 40. Least fun, I'm probably never competing again, to be honest with you. Unless a meet comes up that is absolutely fun looking and incredible. I've done my meats, paying hundreds and hundreds of dollars to somebody just to put my name on a website

and watching them pocket a bunch of money is just, I'm just over it. To be honest with you, it just isn't what I want to do anymore. I can lift, I can be strong, as long as my kids and my wife see me as still physically capable. I'm content. I'm probably going to lower my maxes on Juggernaut and just stay strong. I don't need to continuously get stronger at the age of 40. I'm still probably gonna. I'm never going to hit the 500 pound deadlift I wanted to hit.

I got close at 469, but that was, you know, nice. Yeah, that's probably the least fun is I'm just I'm just over the competing aspect, unless I find a competition that's absolutely incredible. And why you just got to come in and do Strongman. Juggernaut Beta has Strongman training. And I think on the next rollout I can switch to it. And I might just do everything. I might pull a skant and be like,

this summer I'm going to do one of everything. I don't care if I'm last, I'm still the last of the strongest people in this room, which is still dope. But you know, it just, I think as far as powerlifting goes, I'm, I'm over federation. I'm really over federations. I know that we don't get political talk. PP poo poo is definitely going to be nice. I still think that's really funny. And, and it's, I love that people are referencing it every once in a while. It's PP it's PPP unless you pay twice, then you get the PPP level of membership. So yeah, I, that's probably the least fun is being in having to deal with federations and all of that shit.

That's why I love the XPC so much. I was just like, wait, I can not wear shoes. I can just show up in a single ad. Like you're not checking anything. I literally just get to lift and you're just going to spot like you're going to call me on my cues. Whereas the WRPF, they're so strict and they're so like they check your and all that. And it's just like. Why? Like I'm going on the same thing as some dude who's jacked on HGH and gear. And it's just always going to show up that he's better than me. It's just always going to show up. So really, like I gave you two hundred dollars today

for the luxury of saying my name is on a website, but maybe that's just me What about you Lucas same question? Most fun is Just being able to compete masters and like you said like mostly Yeah Like mostly I'll actually be able to like not zero pressing event So that's gonna be pretty fucking awesome because I'm sick of that. The least fun- You're not gonna go masters at local competitions.

You're not gonna go masters at East half though, right? He has to. I will qualify for national. Oh, strong man's different. Yeah, you can't just do like both. Although maybe Tim would let me, I don't know. We'll figure that out when we have to cross that. I just gotta make sure you don't knock me out of any, uh,

chance to podium or anything. Not that there's even podium. There's like strong man's weird. I don't think they still do podiums. But yeah, yeah. It'll be me. It'll be second, third for everything. I just need, I just need no one else other than we can lay one more guy.

And well, we, we won't be the same way. Well, I caught that Lucas. Thank you. Okay. I'll tell the smack. Sorry. Um, no, it's okay. Um, so that's going to be the most fun is like being more competitive. That would like go into nationals last year was like really disheartening.

Just get my ass kicked when I'm like, Oh, I thought I was getting strong finally. Um, but yeah. so the least fun part, I think is just when you were talking about Keith, like me and my massage gun have become really good friends every night. Like I've been getting up and doing like mobility yoga every morning. Like I tweaked my back a couple of weeks ago,

which is like weird for me. Like Tim even said, he's like, dude, I thought your back was always good. I'm like, I don't know, man, it's elevated poles. Like this happens like literally every two years in October. I just like throw my back out doing an 18 inch pole because like my back doesn't like that. So that's, that's, that's the least fun is just being old and having to do more recovery kit than I want to do. Makes sense. Oh, and then so I get, I gotta remember that I'm the host now.

Yeah. Um, okay. So unpaid or underrated, Keith, this is the deep cut for you. I was going to do least, least fun, most fun with this, but I'm changing. Um, unpaid or underrated selling vintage York weights specifically on Rochester Craigslist. selling vintage York weights specifically on Rochester Craigslist. Cause I remember when I first was building out like my home gym back in like 2019, seeing your posts, like you're you that you repost, I feel like once a week and seeing like your neighborhood and I'm like, what fucking med student is selling

vintage York weights? He does live right by the college. Yeah. That's like what's mostly in his neighborhood is people like med students who, who work at the hospital right there. So I would always, I would always, you might, there was actually selling stuff cause I used to, I'll Craig's list. I used to like, uh, go OCD and like always, uh, I'd have wanted ads on Craigslist.

Oh, maybe, maybe, maybe it was looking for them. I don't know. I carry it was like, cause you weren't supposed to wanted ads on Craigslist. Oh, maybe it was looking for them. I don't know, I can't really, it was. You weren't supposed to do that on Craigslist, but like if you worded it a certain way and avoided a couple of keywords, like you'd get away with it for a while, but then people would always flag it. So like Craigslist in general,

Craigslist and Vintage Weights in general, I built like, I built my entire fucking gym basically on Craigslist, cause it was like, marketplace wasn't a thing or wasn't really. Ten years ago Marketplace, if it existed, it wasn't anything. I was a huge user of Craigslist. As far as just buying and selling anything on Craigslist or Marketplace is horrible though because people are ridiculous and it's outrageous. The worst thing about the Craigslist

was like the, it was easier to get scammed with, because you'd get a text or, and they'd like tell you they wanted and then like they needed you to fucking send them a money. They want to send you a money order and then you give them money and shit. I'm like, are you fucking, so I, so unpaid, I guess, as far as trying to pretty much do it, the majority of it would be unpaid because it's dealing with people is fucking challenging. But every now and then when you find the gym that you want, you know, I know that's definitely, you know, I get, yeah. So overall it is anything fucking buying and selling is unpaid as fuck because people are horrible.

It's it's funny you brought that up because unpaid visiting Keith during med school graduations. It was not, no, even, yeah, overpaid for one night and they were like, your room's not ready because we didn't expect you to be here. Like that's funny. Um, okay, Joey, uh, this is hearkening back to last week. This is, this is, I, I didn't see whatever you post in this discord about this, but I'm one of the five people I think who knows about this. So unpaid or underrated barged, Vicarious of, uh, Norwegian death metal. I think you referenced him.

Okay. So I just wanted to make sure that you knew this is very much a mass and I'm ex one making sure you understood the reference that I am making here. So unpaid or underrated bar bickerness, if you would like to elaborate for the listening with them or give more context, feel free. Okay. So he was, uh, obviously the guitar, he was the guitar the guitarist Right because it was the singer that killed himself Yeah, and the bargain it up, you know, just doing some crazy. I think he still has a piece of that guy's skull

And he also went to prison for stabbing someone to yeah murdering someone later And now you're burning churches. He might have burnt a couple churches, you know, we're not so I'm gonna he's Like mayhem is mayhem. They fucking not even if they didn't invent it, they perfected Norwegian black metal that trash can record it in your basement. What what's a base? The boss, the boss, the boss, heavy metal pedal that I've played with that sound because it's just fun to just have your guitar sound like a legit buzz saw that's taking your head off. Yeah. Turn off the low end.

Like they perfected that. At the same time, I don't listen to Mayhem. I don't like the closest thing to black metal I listen to is a band called Black Tongue, or even Lauren Ashore, which is like blackened death metal, or deathcore. I don't listen to real black metal because it is the worst. Satiricon, probably I think I have one or two of their albums somewhere.

Cradle of Filth, mostly glam metal, but still kind of close to that black metal genre. So Varg is very unpaid because the dude was just psychotic. But like in a time where musicians were expected to be that, Ozzy was, Norton, Ants, Biting Bats. Like people were doing dumb shit back then as musicians. And this dude did also dumb shit, but like still in the realm of dumb rock star stuff.

So unpaid is my final answer. But, you know, I knew because I was the one that explained it where Ryan posted that meme and I was like, oh, dude, really? He posted the Brad the bad man, of the so they actually made that that was a cover of one of their album. Was the dead body of the singer, if I recall correctly. And obviously that got pulled like they were nobody was going to sell that album. So, yeah, that was a I did.

I yeah, I understood the reference. So if. It sounds like you're pretty well versed, but if you want a good retelling of the story of Norwegian black metal, last podcast on the left did a series on it. So it's three or four episodes that are roughly an hour piece. So with all your extra time, check that out. That's after that, after the backlog. Yeah, that's, that's like the podcast that got me into podcasts on the left. So they're, they're, they're good. They do feel like interject random history type things in there, but they do

true crime. They do like cryptids and UFOs and all that other stuff. So it's a, it does sound like Ali. Um, so I just knew that because of obviously just following metal for so long, but I also read Ian Christie's history of metal. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Which they actually thinking about that, like, I know this lab last podcast, they like have reference materials and they talk about it. So that name sounds familiar. So maybe they use that. Yeah, that book I think was the last book that I read

and couldn't put down. I was like, I need to get through this. Now that book was a love letter to Metallica because if there's 20 chapters in the book, 18 of them are about fucking Metallica. But, you know, he does interject some stuff there. And I think some of that was in there. But that was all stuff I kind of already knew. Back in the days when I thought I was goth black metal or whatever. Still paint my nails. I'm still

a little spooky. No, no, what made me laugh was that we did a, I think it was Nate's thing where they said, was this Keith or Joey self-identifying as Goth and someone actually thought that like, I was the Goth self-identifier, not you. And I'm like, are you, do you fucking know who either of us are? Like, that was Nate's, like, I don't know,

it was whatever the last episode Nate did with some of the boys. And I was just like, wait, what? Like, how's, do you really think that I could be Goth? The guy that does all of his meats with black nails, black, everything coming out to death metal. Yeah. No, it was definitely Keith. It just made me shrivel. A kid from West Virginia and being goth is, I mean, there are definitely, definitely goth emo kids and shit.

Goth isn't a regional thing. Goth is a mindset, a sad, sad mindset. Is that it? Is that all you got? That's all I got. Amazing. I do have one more for Lucas. I know we're going way late, but I meant to add it to the notes earlier.

What is, I'm gonna start asking everyone this now that we got the new supporting membership cards. What is your current number? Because you sound like you joined before both Joey and I. So you got to be below us. My current number is 98. Okay. Oh, okay.

Yes. March 1st, 2022 is when I joined. Well, there should have been a, there was definitely a discord by then. Really? I feel like there wasn't. I don't know. I wasn't there. Had to have been.

No, I was number 47 and I joined the Discord the same day. Okay, so I guess maybe I just didn't. Discord was for like three months, I think. Yeah, he just didn't join, he just didn't join the Discord. Okay, so you're right behind me then. So yeah, it's always in the 40s, I'm in the 70s, you're in the 90s. So yeah, that's.

Yeah, so my original number, because I have both of my cards right here, because like I said, I came prepared. Oh yeah. My original number was one 36. That's right. Lost about 40 spots. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. 30, 38 spots. I improved. And that, that proves my kind of thing there. Cause I went from 66 to 47 and I still think that people under 100 probably dropped the list. Yeah.

That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. For every, that would be cool. That's something that Lucas should get from, you know, get all that information from Tanner. And I want to see a whole mapped out spreadsheet algorithm. Who's the new 69?

No one, it hasn't been released yet. Like I am. Unacceptable. Because I asked that like two weeks ago, I feel like. And like I think a couple of the people have asked it since. And I've yet to see anyone post it. You're never going to take one from Scott's so or from Big Hot. So you've got to be who's the coveted number 69? I you know if

Tanner wants to give me the membership is it coveted? coveted in it coveted it it what's You said coveted like 19 like coveted 19. That's fucking hilarious. No, it's it's coveted or coveted. This is the thing I don't talk to people I just read everything I see is read. And this thing is I don't I don't read a ton about I consume audio words. Yeah. Talking I just don't speak well. There you go somebody's gonna try and call me on that one too. All right. So we got all that handled. I think we're good to bring this one in.

So I'm going to hit you guys with some affiliate links. So we got Obsidian, Barber Rescue, Plate Snacks, Home Gym Con, Belt Fed Strength and Apparel from the Strength Co. Use code unpaid at all. Use code unpaid. So that. Oh yeah, hit me with coded and you're out here. You just kind of. Oh, that's great.

Big Lucas, where they gonna find you at again, buddy? Lucas likes to lift things on Instagram and that's the only place I really exist on the internet. Perfect. Big Jen, happy birthday. Big Joey, where are they going to find you at? Same place as always, Joey underscore Malesco. I only have one underscore unlike some people. You can add me to Facebook, but I barely post on Facebook. All right. Make sure you go hit up the unpaid and underrated podcast, Instagram, the website

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