Unpaid And Underrated - 086 : Maple Syrup and Piss

Episode Date: December 31, 2024

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Jonathan Oldham. They talk about some heavy stuff as well as digging into some great topics like being a kicker and getting into rugby, plants, heavy music, and Keith's cannonball experience. Links Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab (https://www.massenomics.com/shop/unpaid-underrated-tee) Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast (https://www.instagram.com/unpaid.underrated.podcast/) Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/) On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast) Our Guest On Instagram @baconandbeerbells (https://www.instagram.com/baconandbeerbells/) Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 (https://www.instagram.com/keithhoneycutt73/) or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar (https://www.instagram.com/thenowhinecellar/) @joey_mleczko (https://www.instagram.com/joey_mleczko/) Special Guest: Big John.

All right, everybody. Welcome to episode 1973 of the unpaid and underrated podcast podcast by crew for crew, relentlessly mocked by crew. And today, including somebody who is crew adjacent. A bit of a stretch from the ordinary I think we're gonna dive right into the guest just with time constraints and calling an audible as Keith likes to call it using those fancy $10 words. We're gonna jump right in we have a big Jonathan Oldham on how are you buddy? Doing well guys how are you all? Good. Welcome. Welcome. And I'm joined by Keith, as always. Howdy, howdy.

We both. Keith? We are both rocking that 10 RPE Poozie. Oh, yeah. Yes, sir. So. Well, thank you. I think we're going to just dive right in here and we're going to skip kind of the intro.

You know, we'll do the what are you wearing? Because I see that you're wearing one of the original shirts, John. Oh, gee. This is like the second line. Oh, gee. My first one that I was so in love with actually tore in the dryer. So I was really happy when they brought this one back. Oh, nice. Yeah. But this is this was actually one of the ones that I bought like. Well, you know, when I first met Mesonomicsomics I fell in love with them just because they had the lift logo on the hat it was the camo and I saw that back way back when on

Instagram and I was like I gotta have that I think Tanner actually said he like took the photo on the bench in his backyard or something but it had all three of the lift hats on it and I I was like, that is that fits me perfectly. I ordered some of the hats and I want to say I ordered like the OG red shirt and this one I just had, you know, like, I support them as much as I could. I've still got the OG sweatshirt with the you know, the sonen emblem on it. And yeah, so this was this is one of my favorites one of the OG shirts it's one of my favorites too i distinctly remember begging them to bring it back so when they finally did

yeah sorry honey another another order coming in uh i'm wearing a wrestling shirt and wearing joe hendry we went to my kid's school today and he has a matching one of these but he won't wear it because people keep asking who's on your shirt? He's like, it's Joe Hendry. And they're like, what does that mean? And then he just got really mad and took off his shirt at school. So. Right. Everybody's cool enough to understand. So a little bit of history there, but I mean, we'll dive right in like we normally do. What brought you to Mastinomics? Because you're here, I'm here because I think I met you first on Instagram. And you brought a lot of us in. So what brought you in?

Well, like I said, I saw the hat on, I don't know if it was like an Explore page or what. But as soon as I saw it, you know I went to their page It was still a pretty new thing, you know, they hadn't really been doing too much I mean, I don't think I was too far past the days of them like working out at that Y together Whatever it may Yeah, so they uh Because I mean it was definitely more of just like a gym community thing that they had going. They didn't have any shirts or products out yet. But I thought what they were doing was awesome.

And you know, really just, you know, I bought everything I could, you know, anytime they drop something. And I mean, ultimately, you know, I just stuck around as the brand grew. As soon as they got big enough to where they felt like they could sponsor athletes, they reached out to myself, Chris Wiest, Kyle Hendricks, and Brad, Brad Neitzel, I think is his name. So there were four of us, Chris Wiest, you know, he was like the strong dude. But really the other three that they brought on were just long time supporters. It's awesome.

You know, it wasn't really like we were like overly strong or anything. We were just loyal to the brand and they knew that. They kind of just, you know, let us ride the coattails of the brand and represent. And I took a lot of pride in that, you know, I thought it was really awesome. You know, they had faith in me, so I wanted to give them everything I could. And so yeah, that's kind of it. I just stuck loyal. And they were a huge, huge factor in every other company I met.

Tanner and Tommy are phenomenal guys, and everybody really loves them. Travis was the second sponsor for me to roll in from Obsidian. You know, he got in with the dudes. And he reached out, you know, when he was pretty fresh and I just wanted to try to get athletes, you know, put together for his ammonia. I love Think the World to Travis. I love Travis so much. I think after that came Stronghouse, Rest in Peace. the I met all the guys that own Strong House. They were really cool dudes. I had my mullet flowing, pounded beers. Yeah, as you do. Yeah, so we just hit it off really well. You know, they were really cool, really cool guys.

They brought me on with Strong House. Then Mastinomics actually got me in with this supplement company when I did their podcast. When I went up to western, northeast South Dakota. That was a rad trip. But they had- I remember that. Yeah, you were one of the few people they actually brought in or- Yeah, they-

Did they pick you up in the limo or was that Chad? They picked me up in the limo. That was you. Okay, that's right. Yeah. Did they pick you up in the limo or was that Chad? They picked me up in the limo. That was you. Okay, that's right. Yeah. They had one of their buddies, he had a limousine rental and I came out into the airport and he was holding my baby photo on a sign.

That's right. I went to South Dakota to jar them and hold them. So he grabbed my bag and we walked outside and I was like looking around, looking around. Tommy's luscious hair just comes popping out of the bag. I was like, no way. So we took probably like a whopping 15 minute tour around all of average. That's all you need. Drank a couple beers and yeah, we went back to Tommy's later that night and did the podcast.

But yeah, so that's, they got me on with, I can't even remember the name now. They're not around anymore. Yeah, they haven't been associated together for a few years. No, they closed. Oh, the company itself. Okay, okay. Yeah, the company. Yeah, they went up to put to, and then, you know, I did, I did supplements for a while

with Huck. Huck's up, you know, we did I did supplements for a while with Huck. Huck's a you know, we just we felt like puzzle pieces. We're pretty we get along pretty pretty easily together. So they definitely open the doors to pretty much everybody. I owe everything to Massimo. Like I said, they pretty much, you know, open the doors for me as far as, you know, potential and powerlifting. And it's funny you say that about you and Huck, because I say it all the time on this podcast

that when I'm around Huck Finn, and then you weren't at the last Arnold, I don't think, but you were at the one before that, the three of us get together and we just become a menace. It was so much fun. For some reason, if you know me in real life, and you know Huck Finn, you know, like, you wouldn't put us together, but we get together

and we just have a hell of a time. We will get to the end of it. It's like that perfect store, man. I mean, it is, it's like a, it's a tornado. It's just, and it's got a long path. I'd let, wanna drop your Instagram handle in case people don't know who that is. Okay. Yeah. Bacon and beer bill.

Your bills. Yep. Yeah. I'd be shocked if anybody listening to this doesn't know who you are. Well, I do. Do we actually introduce him by name or we just been? I said him before you first, which immediately was like, well okay That's the direction we're going today And where are you located at if you want to tell people area? No, Birmingham, Alabama

Yeah home of a home of obesity and crime So Is there and is there ever any I'm gonna do more and then you jump in Keith, because I just want to get through like the standard three. You said you've been a supporter from day one. Is there something you didn't get that you wish you did? Shorts? There's actually several things because I was so proud that I had a...

When I got divorced, my ex-wife gave a multitude of things that I did not know to an old friend. And so there's several items, like the lift hoodie that you have. I never got that. I think, I mean there's several pairs of shorts. The only thing is, I hate wearing shorts that get close So like anything that was like the mesh shorts, I missed a lot of pairs of those I never got a blue pair of the lift shorts Kind of sad just because you know

Have you tried the new shorts? No, no, not the the the new Mastinomics look they they uh, I Would like those though because those are those are more they're a lot shorter. Yeah, large. Yeah, live large did a pair of those two that I've got that are the those are those are good mesh shorts. Those are nice. I like the length on those.

I did 25 and a half on the inseam and size size down whatever you are and mesh go down one and they'll fit nice and snug like they won't be too tight But because like I wear I'll when I put the XL on the legs are almost like us like they're a little too wide But when it went to the large is like oh I actually like like hug my fucking quad and hamstring kind of nice but like not too tight So I would definitely recommend just a hair down on size for those Okay, well I can definitely do that That's like the Ranger

panties. I do have two pairs of the Ranger shorts. Oh, the silky's. Yeah, I love the silky's man. Me too. I only have two pairs. Yeah, I have two pairs of those as well. And those stay in rotation pretty regularly. All right. I'm gonna switch gears here real quick into a game we like to play. It's called Least Fun, Most Fun. I give you one topic and you just kind of elaborate as little or as much as you want on basically the most fun thing about it

and the least fun thing about it. So this will kind of segue into a few other topics or at least, you know, we can kind of go in depth on it. So Big John, Least Fun, Most Fun, being a firefighter. Being a firefighter is by far the most fun thing you can do as an adult. And I highly recommend it to anybody who does not have a career set up yet. I followed my dad's footsteps into it. I really could have cared less to become a paramedic

with it. A current department did send me on to get my paramedic license and now I'm super grateful for that. I think it's a very gratifying thing to do. I'm definitely an adrenaline junkie. I love the fact that any day that I go into work, it's 24-hour shifts. You put your gear on the truck at seven in the morning and until seven a.m. the next morning you have no idea when that time is going to go off, what is going on. That's just the chaos of the world is at your hands. Some days it's nothing, other days there's no rest. But at the same time, it's almost like working at a frat house.

We're always goofing off. We're always having fun. I'm a firehouse cook. I love cooking. You know, eating is like one of our number one priorities for the day. You know, like my dad said, they'll fire a good employee before they fire a good cook at the fire station. Nice.

But yeah, it's, you know, we work out every morning. You know, we got our normal routine of probably the first 30 minutes to an hour, everybody's off going shift is talking with us. We all drink coffee and just kind of shoot the breeze for a little bit about what they did, things at hand. We're good housewives. We all sweep, vacuum, mop, we clean toilets and bathrooms every morning. Very clean, very clean. But you know, what else? Good.

Do you know what your record of like calls and a 24 hour shift is? Or necessarily? Is there like a house record versus like the like your your PR for calls like in one one one day? Gosh, well, I the department I'm at now, my career department, we're more of an elderly like retirement type. Okay. You know, it's not, it's not, I have, there was a department that I worked at for three and a half years during COVID. And, um, it's, it's much more, uh, in the more dilapidated part of Birmingham.

A lot more fires, lots more crime, like shootings, stabbings, overdoses. And they definitely, that's one of the busiest departments in the state. And when I worked there, I mean, you rock and roll start to finish. And it was nothing to have 20 to 30 calls in a shift. And when I worked there, I mean, you rock and roll, start to finish. And it was nothing to have 20 to 30 calls in a shift. And you know, in my department now, we don't transport, we're all paramedics, but we don't transport people to the hospital. We get on scene, we stabilize patients, and you know, we have a private ambulance company

that comes in and takes the patient over and takes them to the hospital. And if they need extra personnel, we can ride in with them and, you know, carry our drug box or whatever. But, you know, most of the time we go back, go back to the house. But when I worked at when I worked at that other department that was out in the the ghetto area, we did trans. I went to the hospitals a lot. I sat on the wall a lot. And that stunk more, especially if you get a cold, you got to take somebody downtown. You know, just two, three hours that you're probably going to be out of bed. And that's

pretty draining for the next day while you're off work. So I imagine so. I guess that would be the least fun. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because it's got its pros and cons for sure. Your least fun days are just going to be your more labor intensive because once a fire is put out, we've made quite the mess. There's tools everywhere, there's air packs everywhere, you got water damage everywhere. You know,

if you caught a hydrant, you've laid a lot of line on the ground that you got to get put back up on the truck. And then once you get back to the station, you got to fill bottles, fill air bottles, you got to clean all your tools. It's just a lot. So I mean, you know, once the fire is out, it's really the work has just started. Makes sense. I mean, you know, once the fire's out, it's really the work has just started. Makes sense. And so that's a low point for sure. And that, you know, outside of that, I mean, you know, you'll have to go pick up grandma

at two in the morning, get out of bed, she fell. That's a pretty common thing. And I mean, you know, they can't help it, they need you. So, yeah, but you it. They need you. Yeah. But, yeah. Still haven't, for sure. Nobody likes getting out of bed and having to gorgley make their way to the truck.

But that's part of it. And if that's the worst part of the job, then I'll do it every day. Now that makes sense. So I mean, I've met you a couple times right like the Arnold lift hard live easy always a hell of a time You know, I think after the first Arnold I met you at I Actually at the lift hard the VZ. I bought you a case of beer because I hadn't brought I didn't know you could drink You did Arnold and then you're like I got a whole like and you know, you just shared yours with me

So I had to make sure I paid those back. So, you know, I got always a hell of a time. Just come running up to you. You're in a speedo and a vest. Yeah, that was, that was my first interaction. I don't even know if I really, I don't think I ever met you, met you until lift hard, live easy. But I was like, we were in each other's presence when Dan Bell and the mountain were going back and forth, deadlifting and you were helping load plays for that in 2023 Arnold I believe I had like a I would like a front row seat basically right there cuz I like I knew on the schedule when it was gonna happen I was like I want to watch these

two fuckers deadlift and your ass was like right in front of me that's really mean your ass well it was uh that was odd too cuz we were at the strength co the But yeah, so Travis makes Thor stuff. He's very proud of that. But he was like, hey, he was like, will you run these over to Thor over at the road? And I was like, oh yeah, no problem. So I ran over there and Dan was sitting there. And so, you know, I'm buddies with Dan. So I was like, Dan, I was like, will you give these to Thor? You know, Travis wanted me to give them to him. Dan looked at me and was like, I'm not talking to his ass. You to give them to him Dan looked at me and was like I'm not talking to his ass

You go give them to him Yeah, and so Dan, you know they they open the bank pulley whatever fence line they and um, I went in there and I'm wearing my vest and my pink zebra speedo and uh, you know first time I've ever met Thor. So I was like, hey Thor, I was like, Travis wanted me to give this to you. He looked at me super, super nice, very, very gracious, thanked me. And yeah, once that happened, the rogue guys that were running the booth were like, well, if Dan and Thor like, y'all are more than welcome to stay. And they were like, yeah, we need somebody to help load

the plates. So yeah, those those big fuckers weren't loading their own plates. That's for sure. No, they don't have a single plate that day. No. And it was pretty impressive watching Thor with the kilo math, though. I'm terrible with that. But struggle. And Dan is funny because Dan kept having to remind me to like not be in direct view of Thor's eyesight while he's dead lifted. He's like, he doesn't want to see

your big ass in the speedo. That's great. And at the it was fun. Dan's,'s, you know how Dan does that like rebound Mario coin sound dance when he gets done deadlifting, you know, he's got like a spring loaded, spring loaded dismount. Yeah. He kept the final couple of deadlifts. He was like, Hey, go stand by the chalk bucket. So that way, like if I bounce, like I don't fall into that's like fucking 450 pounds of man. Well I mean that

would I just be like fuck I'm just gonna push you I'm not gonna try to catch your ass. Yeah, cuz he like pulverizes me through a chalk bucket. That was a cool day. Yeah and then after that I think you went I went and hung out with you at the Strength Co. booth while you're doing the deadlift party Yeah, and that was kind of where everything kind of went insane Dan was like I'm not lifting because everybody was waiting for him to lift and I think he did like four plates or five Plates or something and or six or seven. He didn't go as high as I think everybody planted He was gonna do but he just like 800 the day before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but essentially it was me, you, and Dan just drinking beer.

And you guys were dead lifting with some bigger names. Yep. Then I think the next time I would have saw you in person was the lift hard Livisi, the first one. Yep. And I showed up with Steve, yelled at you because you were coming in at the parking lot. And I was like, I had a gift for you.

And I threw a case of beer at you. And yeah. And then I got and then the next day. No, that night would have been Tanner's house. Yep. Yep. Yeah, Friday. Yeah. I met him Thursday because you guys, you know, you guys wrote in Thursday night at Pounders.

So I think I actually sat next to you guys at dinner that night. It was kind of. Yeah. Was a good place actually sat next to you guys at dinner that night. It was kind of cool. It was a good place. I still will always say that Thursday is the most fun night, because it's just less overwhelming than Friday. So it's just kind of like almost like the, at least the first year, because it was kind of like more of an impromptu kind of thing. Well, I think the business starts on Fridays.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's when they have the itinerary start layout. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't there for the first Thursday, but last year I was there for Pounders. All right, so that gets all the kind of the. Yeah, you get into business. No, go ahead.

You're going to say something, Jen. Yeah, I hate I missed this last go around. I'm supposed to compete at the Arnold this year, March 1st. Dave's putting the meat on. I've got some logistics issues that I will not know until the 1st of February. As of now, you know, Joe Sullivan just started coaching me here probably a month ago. Oh, cool. And I'm super, he's awesome. I've really, I've really enjoyed it so far. I definitely feel the bounce back. Because it's been a while since I've been, you know, into the heavier stuff. And I definitely feel, feel better coming in now. But hopefully I'll get that under my belt. And I am signed up for

lift hard, Live Easy. So that's awesome. We compete in there. Love to hear that. I will likely be at the Arnold. I think that the Arnold will be a tough one for me to miss as much as I love the lift hard, live easy and would make a solid essay long argument that the lift hard, live easy is the better event.

But the Arnold is six hours away and Liv-Tard Liv-Easy is 21 hours away. So it's going to be one of those. I've done Liv-Tard Liv-Easy twice, you know, Duncrew Falls now, the Arnold I can keep doing. I don't really have a ton of excuses. So I think that I'll definitely see you in March. Right now it's a 95% chance. I just need to check with Tanner

and see about whether I need tickets and stuff. So then I think that would lead up to I think the elephant in the room. I think I mentioned it during the intro here. That's about the time where you found out you were going to be a dad and you started the stout daddies. And I was such a fan, jumped on, friend of yours. I was like, let's push, let's have fun and all of that. But obviously that didn't go as well as I think you had planned. And I know you and I have, we've talked extensively about it. And you know, part of what I really wanted to do when having you on here was, you know, I never really mentioned it by name, but I

think that there was definitely some talk even on this podcast about just how disappointed some of us were. Absolutely. Yeah. So I think that, you know, I mentioned to you, I'm not losing a friend over 60 bucks. That was not anything I was ever going to do. So I would love it if maybe you felt like it, you could kind of explain what happened to the people that don't know. Cause I think right now it's like me, you and Tanner

that know. And of course, and the people in your life, right? Yeah. Um, yeah, it's, uh, so that, you know, I, when Gideon, when Gideon, you know, when we found out we were pregnant, I think it was the weekend after that was the Arnold, that I knew I was having a boy. So we did the gender reveal party. I went to the Arnold, super stoked. And as much as I was excited to be a father, I will say that I don't think I was quite...I wasn't quite performing the role of a husband and a father, like a father that I now feel like I should have. I'm not trying to put myself down over and over, but there are a lot of things that I regret the way I handled.

And so with that, you know, I had some of my own personal regrets. It came to the point that I fixated on social media to be my true reason. I wasn't overly happy with the way things were in my life, and I got a lot of attention for being a goofball on social media. I wasn't overly happy with the way things were in my life. And I got a lot of attention for being a goofball on social media. And you know, that was a can you also hear me? Everything's freezing up. Yeah, we saw your audio.

Your video is frozen, but your audio is fine. Just keep rolling boss. Okay, cool. All right. But yeah, so I just fixated so much on social media. My ex wife and I grew apart a lot And I just you know, I dug in I dug into it, you know more than I should have and

Once it was it all Came to fruition, you know My ex-wife and I had our disagreements and all when Gideon was about six months old My ex-wife and I had our disagreements and all. When Gideon was about six months old, we decided it wasn't going to work. You know, gut wrenching. I could have never imagined being divorced, especially just becoming a father. You know, in the moment, she was very on board with the Stout Daddy stuff. You know, I did start that like probably right around right before he was born.

And I just thought it was a cool idea of like a discord of like dads who lift to like you know come and you know shoot the shit on you know PRs in the gym and live PRs because I mean you know it's a super I mean you know once you become a dad man like there's nothing else you know it's the best feeling in the world. And so like you know that's that's all I wanted to do was just provide a community of like, you know, where everybody could like, really, you know, be there for each other in highs and lows. I mean, you know, you damn well know just like today with Gideon being sick, there's some days that will just absolutely deplete deplete you as a father. You'll have bad gym days, you'll have bad dad days.

But I also tried to lean into it because I was still very proud of being a dad outside. But it got to where it was better. It wasn't very cordial for a while. And like I said, I'll admit a lot of s***. There's no reason to go into detail with it. You know I just wasn't who I was and you know I wasn't very proud of some of the things I had done and I was kind of put on a ledge of you know I was borderline being exposed just of a lot of shittiness.

And she, you know, that's the thing is we're on pretty good terms, you know, now fairly. So it's not a down talk that either. It's really, I kind of felt bad being on the Stout Daddy's platform when I didn't feel like I was performing, like playing the role that I should. And you know, my ex-wife at that point was also like, I'm going to prove that you're not that man that should be performing. Do I think looking in hindsight I don't think I think I think I got my head way too far. I kind of bowed out of it I was in a bad bad circumstance you know financially you know just with all the court and

everything and I really just you know like I had a little bit of a meltdown. And, you know, oddly enough, you know, I even in all of that, I personally, because Goob actually, Goob was sponsoring me with supplements at that same time. He had brought me on board with the exposed pre-workout and everything. And I think the world of Goob and what he does. So when all that happened, I actually reached out to Goob myself. Kind of wanted to give him the gist. But I don't know if he did it on purpose or not, but he just kind of avoided me. He never got back with me.

I know he had been reached out to. And I kind of wanted to admit fault there. Until I talked to you, Joey. I didn't know Tanner once again stepped in and was fixing my shit for me. And once again, it's like, I mean, not that they had to or needed to. And I really, part of me would love to have Style Daddy's Reimu, but I wouldn't want it to be a solely me thing. Because I think it's a great thing.

It was a badass logo. And you know, the whole movement and momentum behind it was amazing too. I really think... Oh no. There's some slight technical difficulties. We'll try to get Big Jonathan back. He's still here. He just kind of got disconnected there.

John, can you hear us? OK. I'll fill in a little bit there if John's OK with that. I don't think he can tell me if he is or isn't. But essentially, yeah, I don't know how much Tanner wants me to say. But Tanner reached out to me once he kind of caught wind of what had happened.

And yeah, he did. He said, get a list together of all the people that are the crossover between Masanomics and the Stout Daddies. And he stepped up and did what he could to make that part right. And then John went off social media for a long time. Like a year or at least nine months, he was gone for a while. Yep. And then he reached out to me and that was about, oh my gosh, that was back in. In the summer. I think spring or summer and. You know, I'm getting messages from.

From Big Eddie, I'm getting messages from Ryan. Like I'm just all these people are like Jonathan Oldham is trying to get a hold of you and in my head I was just like, oh, I was actually like nervous. I know it turned out to be really good. I'm hoping John can come back on. I would say just text him and say if his computer's wonky, just try to do it from his phone for the last half hour or something because I know he said he had a little bit of time left. But, um, yeah, I'm kind of on the outside of all that other than hearing about it through some circles, but I, uh, I was not even familiar with what it was until after it was already went down kind of thing.

So, uh, but it was cool that John wanted to, to come on. It had, I think we'd kind of been, Joey had been in talks with him on and off for, I don't know several months about maybe coming on and telling his story and I think he was just in a place that he finally wanted to come on and You know actually share some share a little bit and you know he opened up a lot So I you know, I'd love to get him back on for a little bit But if not, you know, we can he's trying he's trying him back in a minute. Cool. Well, let's see. Let's go Actually, why don't I do while I'm waiting for him? He's trying. He's trying him back in a minute. Cool. Well, let's see. Let's go. Let's actually,

why don't I do while I'm waiting for them? Um, the, uh, Wham! Halla. Sure. Yeah, I was going to go back. We got a couple of names. Yeah. Yeah. Like let's fill those in. So this, uh, oh gee, since last recording, uh, I got nailed and it was the worst. Yeah. I got nailed at work where they don't play Christmas music. But so I landed from

I landed from crew falls. Yeah. I don't think I told this story. OK. Because I don't think we've actually recorded and had a chance to do it since. Gotcha. I landed from crew falls. Yeah. Because the last recording would have been the recap. And I don't think we did the way I'm Holla. OK, I landed from Crew Falls at like 1030. Then I had to go back to work for like six in the morning to do an inventory.

Which is pre hour, like before hours. And that's when they actually play music and I got fucking whammed. So I'm tired, I'm miserable and I'm pissed that I have to go to work on my day off. And I go in there and there's like a mess and there's just stuff all over the, no, like I couldn't even get into the kiosk because there's like skids up against it. And that's when I heard it.

And that face, the selfie I took was literally me as soon as I saw it. I was just like, are you kidding me? Nick, Nick got whammed. Sorry, buddy. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. I want to say the man forgot.

Ryan forgot that he got whammed and then we had to fucking, we had to remind him because he was the first one out. I reminded him. It was like a podcast. Yeah. I think my favorite story is Big Ben been a while. Whammed himself. Oh, because he was trying to like figure out what song it was.

And then he just said, I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm out for the year, boys. Hey, there is. And then just before John jumps back in, Carp got whammed, I guess, at the mall or something like that. So those are our friends that are in Wham! Holla this week. We were talking about Wham! Agetin. Do you play?

Not at all. I don't know what that is. So essentially, I think I just got whammed by this computer. December 1st to December 24th. You have to avoid hearing Last Christmas by Wham! And when you when you finally hear it and clue in, you have to post that Last Christmas by Wham. And when you finally hear it and clue in, you have to post that you got whammed. So we, I play every year with this podcast. So anyway, I kind of filled in that, you know, you, after what had happened that you reached, you disappeared for a bit. Tanner reached out to me to kind of fill in the gaps of the overlap between us and

Stout Daddy's. And then you reached out to me and that of fill in the gaps of the overlap between us and stout daddies. And then you reached out to me and that's about where I ended. So if you have anything else you want to fill in? Um, so that's, it's just really, you know, with divorce and everything, uh, trying to, you know, get my wits about me, you know, I really prided myself on being a family man. You know, I had good morals, you know, I really really was so proud of having everything I did, you know house You know got the pets the wife the I built a freaking garage because the strength co-sponsored me. Yeah I am like I'd watching that video and

Not not realizing everything had gone down after the fact and I was like, I said I didn't realize you weren't in that gym anymore. It was a pretty sweet gym. Yeah, man. He gave me a whole home gym. I mean, everything I needed and I spent 32 grand to build a garage and put it all in. If I could have uprooted that garage and just moved into it, I would have. I miss that thing so much. I mean, it literally was as perfect as it could have been I had my beer fridge my man cave in the back like Yeah, no, it was my favorite place to be I loved that gym so much but uh

But yeah, and you know, that's where a lot of style daddy stuff was, you know, that's that's where I was You know was proud, you know, I had like my style daddy's area But yeah, that's it is on you know, I just had to I really had you know, I had like my stout daddy's area. But yeah, that's it. As you know, I just had to, I really had, you know, I wasn't, it wasn't ever on me to blame my ex wife for any any problems between us, but I could, I could admit my faults. And it took me a long time coming out of divorce to truly put everything on the table. And oddly enough, January 1st last year, you know, with Hannah, you know, I just, I really got everything off my chest. I really came clean about a lot of things.

And it, as good as it felt, it absolutely, like, it was like the earthquake happened. And then the months to follow were just the tsunami and the aftermath And so probably the first half of this year at least the first six seven months it I deleted social media You know, I completely backed out of everything And I tried to get my wits about me, you know, like I I didn't want the affirmation of social media anymore You know, I didn't want the affirmation of social media anymore. I didn't want to fixate on that.

I wanted to focus on my true reality and just what life was on the outside that I hadn't paid attention to for so long. For the time being, at least, I've given up alcohol. I don't drink right now. That was something that was also really, you know, it went from being something that I did for fun to something that became a crutch,

just because, you know, I was having problems, you know, just dealing with myself. And I'm not really one for pity or anything, you know. I never would have imagined being that guy that, you know, did what I did with Style Daddies. You know, that really, I can't imagine how many people that upset and pissed off. And like, I really would love to figure out how, you know,

once things get to where I feel like I'm back, completely leveled out, I would at least, you know, love to get shirts done and just, just give them out. Just like, you know, at least start a community. And, you know, just least start a community and um, You know just take the bite of it myself because um, you know, I still have a list of names of people Um, you know, I know tanner tried to make right for me, but you know, it's not it's not on tanner or tommy or masonomics or you Um, you know, that's my own fault. That's my own doing Um, i'll openly apologize to anyone, you know everyone

uh, you know That was a to anyone, you know, everyone. You know, that was a shitty ass, but you know, everybody knows of someone who's done shit like that before and that's not something that I would ever have wanted to label myself. So, but yeah, I mean, that's pretty much it, man. You know, I feel like I've got a lot of making up to do. And that's, you know, ever since, ever since I came back to social media, you know, I haven't even entertained the whole thought of sponsorships or anything anymore. You know, I want to be know I just think it's best that you know I'm just a normal guy you know I think you know I can I can lift heavy I can be part of the community you know people can see me for what they want to see me you know like I still love to hang and party with everybody. You know I just want to be well I just want to be a normal dude. You know, I just want to be well, I just want to be a normal dude Sounds like you're gonna try to prioritize sobriety to some extent for a while So you got our support on that brother if that means like a lifetime sobriety or just not drinking like an asshole 90% of the time and just kind of saving it for that once or twice a month

Whatever whatever you got to do But you know, I think if that's something yourself aware enough to know I got a little bit of a problem here Then you know do do whatever you do is right for you. Yeah, for sure. I am. And that's it is I don't know. I don't know what it's going to be. I know what I need for now. And I just don't need it. Like I said, you know, like I love cracking a beer with y'all enjoying it, you know, and soaking that in, you know, like you got your great beers, the shower beer, the airport beer airport beer you know hanging with the homies on the weekend beer I do like a shower beer well that's I even last uh last week the crew falls episode I think yeah yeah I realized that I had influenced a bunch of people to start drinking zero percent Guinness yeah and it was one of those ones that I had jumped on started drinking and even last night I got home from work and You know you I commented that go you guys are in control of your addictions

But like I got home last night terrible day and I reached in for that Guinness and sometimes that's where it starts. So Obviously you have our support one of the reasons I wanted to get you on here is you know, I still love you Like I said, I still love you. Like I said, I wasn't losing a friend over that type of thing at all. And I wanted to, you know, give you a chance to say what you said and, and your apologies out to them. So that is, I appreciate you. That's that appreciate you giving me that opportunity.

We got about 35 minutes. So wherever we want to steer this ship, I'd like to save a little bit of time for him to turn it back on us. So maybe do 20, 15, 20 minutes and then give him some time at the end. Yeah, I just really wanted to get the heavy shit out of the way. I know. I just I don't want to I don you want to stay in shape, right? Like I understand that aspect of it, but like what brought you into it? What, what was the one day when you were just like, yeah, this is the thing I'm going to do for a while. Well, it's weird, man. Cause, uh, you know, I, I grew up playing soccer.

Um, I was pretty small. Um, that makes sense. Well, and that's, you know, that's, that's what's so funny is, you know, I, my, I loved it. I loved soccer growing know, I, I loved it. I loved soccer growing up. I was obsessed with it. And, uh, P E my freshman year, I, I guess probably about 12, 13 years old, I became a skateboarder fell in love with.

I was a punk. Um, I don't know if y'all knew much about skating. Corey Duffel was like who I idolized. We had like the, you know, he wore skinny jeans, leather jacket, had like the dyed hair. So I followed that line. But, you know, I was still on the weekends, went to my soccer games and everything.

And my freshman year of high school, I was just messing around in PE and I kicked a 53 yard field goal. Jesus. And they called me up over the field house and, uh, I went up there. And like I said, I was wearing my leather jacket, had my dad here. Um, the head coach looked at me and he was like, you do drugs, boy. And I just laughed at him.

I was like, no, he was like, I want you to try out for the football team. And so, um, I started, you know, I went and ironically, I mean, that was that it wasn't it wasn't the season yet. So I was going to workouts and everything. And I hated, hated working out. I couldn't stand it. You know, everybody's screaming at you to get the you know, to bench press and everything. And like, I just I couldn't stand it, man. I wasn't strong. It was embarrassing to me and And I guess that's why I suck so bad at bench today, but But we we all suck at bench like let's not pretend every powerlifter

How good they are? He benches fucking four fifty one point nine pounds and in competitions. I don't know if that's sucky, but I know, but I bet if you wish to get more, why haven't you John, why haven't you fucking 500 man? What's what's like like it's just right there. Just, I mean, it really that 451 actually moved really well. It shocked me. It shocked me how easy that went up. And it actually gave me hope, you know, that maybe one day I could hit five. But at the same time today, 385, the fact that I benched it, I was stunned. So I still got a long way to go. Yeah. Yeah. It'll humble

you real quick. But yeah, I quit. I quit football. I hated working out. Just wasn't for me. And then my senior year, three years later, I'd really fallen out of skateboarding and all, you know, I got a car, grew up. And I wanted to play. So I did, I kicked, I punted, I did kickoffs, you know, I was the starter for the season. And I wanted to, I really wanted to, you know, go kick college so I said um I sent my video around everywhere just local schools and and So I just lost my screen somehow y'all can still hear me right? Yep. Yep. You're good

Dude, I'm so IT just sucky But yeah, I uh so anyways I uh I sent a set the highlight reel they had out for me to just local schools and everything. And UAB, University of Alabama at Birmingham, one of the guys in the athletic department actually reached out to me and he was like, you're a really good kicker. He was like, you got some decent size to you now. And he was like, I really think it'd be awesome if you come try the rugby team. And so I went to practice

and I gradually fell in love with it pretty hard. And when I started playing rugby in college, that really just made me wanna put on size. And so one of the guys that I played with, he and I started training for a powerlifting comp. We did it down in Troy, Alabama. It was like an APA meet. Uh, can't even remember like the feds, but protection agency Parking back to the late nineties.

Well, I was not lifting in the late 90s. No, but I can't even remember my first meet total. It was like 13 something, I think 12, 13 something. But I did that meet, that was in 2013. And then I don't think I did another one probably until 2018, 2019. I took a good hiatus off. And I think, you know, once I started, you know, I got back into like wanting to compete.

And, you know, that was probably. Three or four more USAPL meets. And then, you know, when I was about 28, I started doing untested meets. You know when I was about 28 I started doing untested meats and that's when I got my first my first decent, you know, I got invited down to a Joe course he invited me to do American barbell clubs meet down in Gainesville and

I Was so stoked to be invited to a meet and that was that was the meet that Dan Bell set the all-time world record His first time yet Yeah, so it wasn't really an overly big meet like, you know, Dan was a big lifter there But there weren't really like anybody other, you know, any other big names lifting I Got to meet him. He was super cool and humble and you know, Stacey Burr was really she was down there and it was cool to meet her. I shot for 2000. That was going to be my first 2000 meet. I got 1973 there just like I did at the Lift Hard Live Easy. But then, you know, after that, I got the opportunity to do like hybrid and, you know, I did showdown where I bombed out in Kansas city. Um, so I've had, you know, I've had the opportunity to do some, some cool

platforms, you know, like I said, I know I'm always going to be more known as the party goofball, um, can be strong, but I'm, you know, I'm more going to be known for just the, the personality that comes with, you know, I'm not, I'm not going to give John Hacker run for his money. Well, I don't think anyone is really. Yeah. Yeah. Well true. I mean, even going back to that,

I bet if he asked John Hacker, he says his bench sucks too. I'll trade with him. Where did the nickname Bacon come from? Cause everybody put in that your nickname is bacon. Yeah. So that was actually, that's a rugby thing. My last name is old ham. So one of the first drag cured him. Yeah. Ding, ding, ding.

Yeah. So one of the, one of the first, one of the first rugby practices, the head coach said my last name out loud and there's this massive dude. He looked like one of the mafia guys from the Irish Brothers. What's the movie I'm thinking of? Oh, fuck. Yeah. The fuck. Boondock Saints. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he literally looked like one of the mafia guys from Boondock Saints, and they called him Rogaine.

You know, he's he's bald. So his nickname was Rogaine. But Rogaine said your last name is Oldham. I was like, yeah, he's like, no, fuck that. You're bacon. And I mean, it stuck like glue. I mean, from then on, whether you played rugby with me or not, like bacon, just that was it. It makes perfect sense now do you it does? Yeah?

When you put it in words that make sense now I get it Well, that's a that's a you know that's a good nickname to have for everything else that's out there. You know yeah Plants you're into plants Yeah, man, you're into plants. Yeah, man. I love house. I don't really know like the scientific names for them and stuff, but, uh, Hannah and I probably have over a hundred houseplants. Oh my God.

Yeah. No, it's like, I, I am just like the fire service. Like I'm like therapists and all have told me I'm not OCD, but like, I'm very like, I love things to be like clean and neat. I like walking into a room and everything looking as it should. I like making my bed, you know, like I like everything being, you know, just, just so, so, um, to walk in and like see a bunch of like thriving plants and stuff. It just like does good, you know, when I walk into that room and so, uh, yeah. What's your favorite one not to put you on the spot? They won't know. They're

not going to listen to this. I've had a rabbit. I've had a rabbit foot fern and I've had it for probably like five or six years now. And it's a, it looks like it's got these massive spider legs that come out of it. And it's just got a huge man. I, it's, it's been really easy to take care of, but I do love that one. I've got a couple that are, it's, it's been really easy to take care of, but I do love that one. Um, I've got a couple that are, you know, somebody gave us a snake plant when Gideon was born. Um, I love it. I've got a fig tree that I've gotten a pot.

He made me, um, there's a lot of sentimental ones that I've got. Uh, some lady gave us one. It's a Swedish Ivy came from, it's a world war two plant. So like it's been, been around forever. So I wish I could show you the snake plants in my house, because we live with my dad. And he got one probably 30 years ago. And now they're just giant, three-foot-thick snake plants.

Wow. Yeah. We put them outside every summer, they freak out. Right. So the one day they started flowering and he was like, Oh, look, the snake plants are flowering. So I looked it up and I was like, that's bad. Like they don't want to do that. And then of course, the one day my kid snaps a leaf and puts it on her face and they're, they're actually, um, snake plants are actually, uh, not poisonous, but they poisonous, but their aloe inside of them has little hooks like asbestos.

Yeah. So we were on the phone with poison control. We're just like, we think we she ate a snake plant and they were like, ah crap, like watch her for a little bit, make sure there's no bleeding. However, but they are so good for the ecosystem in the house because they actually filter air like better than anything better than any other plant. Right. That's smart. And the reason I brought it up that they flower when they're outside is because if the air in your house is bad,

they flower because they flower under distress. I did not know that. Yeah. So snake plants are it was one of those things where I was like, I hate that fucking plant. And then the more I learned about it, I was just like, I want one in every things where I was like I hate that fucking plant and then the more I learned about it I was just like I want one in every room I'm surprised mine aren't blooming like hell Yeah, good you're good Good Now that is a that is an odd one like yeah, we just oddities houseplants, you know anything that's like I love sentimental stuff to man

I really I really love things that mean something. That came up a couple times, yeah. Yep. Yeah, I'm a soup, go ahead, I'm sorry. What's, so I hear it's carving pumpkins, so I'm assuming making jack-o'-lanterns. Do you have like, do you have a go-to thing that every year you're like, this is the logo,

this is the face I'm putting it in, or do you get kind of creative with it, and what makes you so good at carving pumpkins? Man, I don't really know, that's funny. That's a funny one. I bet my mom probably put that one in. Yeah, it's cool when you hear what other people like, when you put someone on the spot of like,

tell me answer this, this and this about your loved one. And then it's like, when you actually, when we get a regurgitated back to you, a lot of people are kind of like, oh, where the hell did that come from? So, yeah, no, we, my mom loves doing family stuff all together. And I really, I really have always loved that we go and make ornaments every year together. So the carbon pumpkins, you know, anytime I typically sit down and want to do something, I try to go a little, I invest a little too much into, you know,

to the point that like everybody else has done and you've still got like three days left on yours. I can relate. Yeah. Yeah. So I, um, I do distinctly remember one year I just decided I was going to do Hank Hill and, um, I wish I had a photo of it on hand. It was actually a pretty damn good Hank Hill pumpkin.

Very spooky. Very spooky. Damn it. Damn it. Wait, so how do you hate olives? Like this has got to be one of those things that is like, no you shut your mouth because like my wife too right but I love this stuff smart woman well and so the thing is too is uh it's to be fair if you put an olive in front of me I will try it like I like I'm not just like that's disgusting I want the bed I will every time every time I do it I'm like that I just can't it It's partially a texture thing. It's partially a taste thing.

I think it does go hand in hand. Yeah, all of the like licorice, you know, it's just like. It's just not for me, man. The taste is just, oh, I love you. We also love licorice. And we'll actually talk about it for seven minutes if we don't stop him. And then move on. I found these in these zins are licorice flavored.

I knew that's That's disgusting. It does sound disgusting. They're also like only six milligrams and I'm used to the nines. So I was like, no, I guess I'm down to sixes. I actually prefer the six licorice over any other flavor of nines because apparently I just want the licorice.

I don't even want the nicotine anymore. That's so odd It kind of was like I was because I was planning on cutting back And then to find out these are sixes and my preferred one. I was like, alright, cool So yeah I wonder if there's a Venn diagram of people that don't like olives and don't like licorice like I wonder if there's a There's a similar flavor there all of to have a lot of different flavors Like I've been eating a lot of Mediterranean food,

and they literally put olives in the hummus or in the salad that comes with it. But it's like a weird purple-looking olive. Yeah. It's not like a regular olive. Those are the best ones. It's not like an Islay. I don't know.

No, those green olives that you get in the Amico. Yeah, or whatever. Those greens ones, the menzanilla. They're mid. Those are entry level olives. You start getting into that warm olive plate from the Mediterranean where they like warm up the olives and they're all a little soggy and the seeds are still in them.

Oh yeah, those are top tier. A lot of food talk on this podcast, John. A lot of food talk. We got some games we're going to play with you here. So we have a little, we have to probably go Mount Rushmore and FMK and then roll into a overrated, underrated for us. So I'll kick it off with a little FMK. You're familiar with the fuck, Mary kill, you know, I'm going to give you three topics and you have to F M and K one of them. So as soon as I find where the hell I have it. So FMK

just specifically for you, John. So it okay. Speedos, speedos, cowboy hats, or sorry, cowboy boots. My hat, they call them hats here, Keith. Yeah. I misspoke speedos, cowboy boots, nose rings, FMK. Speedos, cowboy boots and nose rings. Um, I think you got to marry cowboy boots. Uh, it's just something about the, you know, like the country in it, you know, hard working, it's just good, you know, like the country in it, you know, hard

working. It's just good. You know, every, every good hard working blue collar man's got a good pair of ship kickers. Um, and you know, there's a lot to be said about, you know, just the stability of that. So, um, I'm going to go, I'm going to go marry, marry the, marry the boots. Um, and then we're fornicating with speedos, man. There you go. It's like, it's a sex symbol, you know? I don't think anybody has said fornicate on this podcast. Yeah, it's a good word.

Yeah, I think Grant just said F because he wasn't gonna swear. Well, that's OK. No, I try to keep it G rated, but we let it. People do whatever they want to do. I won't be G rated, but everybody else can be. Oh, Keith. Yeah.

It depends on my atmosphere and my crowd. Trust me. Like I'm. Yeah, this is definitely an R rated podcast for the most part. I think we have an extra next. Our we are piracy. It's driving me nuts. They are driving me nuts. This is definitely an R rated podcast for the most part. I think we have an extra next. We are piracy. It's driving me nuts. They are driving me nuts.

So then obviously you got to kill the nose ring. I guess it didn't make it out today. Yeah. Well, you know, you're supposed to look killer. Ask, I guess with it maybe, I don't know. I do love it though. I love my nose ring, but yeah, it's got to go. I mean compared to the other one that's gotta go. Yeah It's always it's always good to pick like three things whenever people love to kind of really, you know Twist the knife and make them really choose. Yeah

Make make the hard choices here on unpaid and underrated. Yeah, we're not here for silliness. We're here for serious Listen me. Okay. This. The FMK category was definitely the one I got the most feedback response on when I asked it. I see what y'all got though. What was your favorite one?

Uh, well, Tyler stone, who used to be on the massonomics podcast said massonomic podcast hosts. Jeez. who used to be on the Mastodonics podcast said Mastodonics podcast host. Sorry, Tyler, but we're all going to kill you, buddy. Yeah, we're not. That's dirty. Well, I mean, to be fair, I think he would, you know, kind of killed. I'm sorry on that one. Yeah. Yeah. No, we won't make you do that on here, but that's a really funny suggestion. Good work. He's not, he's not listening. Um, there was a, um, there's one that said, uh, me at 18, me at 25 and me now. Oh, and, uh, yeah, I gave that one a good bit of thought

throughout the day. Um, I mean, that was, that's okay.. Now I, I, I love that. Well, me now with the past year that I've had, I'm dead. Uh, yeah, it's just like hit the reset button on that one. Um, but 18 and 25, man, I, uh, I really, like I got married at 25. I was a really good guy. Um, and then when I, when I graduated, I was really good too. But I think I would have been better, you know, obviously more in tune with myself at 25 for fornicating. So marry me at 18, fornicate the 25 year old John and then kill the 34 year old John.

That's great. I'm going to be honest with you, I might steal that. Yeah, no, I think that's a great one. I think that's a really good one. It might appear on this podcast, but it might also just appear in everyday life, my job interviews and that might just come up. I just don't like the aspect of,

which do you better yourself with this, this and this? But when I'm to fixate I don't want to fix it on Suicide by saying I'll kill myself so I can't like I can't Don't they don't have this rabbit hole I would say more like you know like who are you more in love with yeah Like who are you more in love with? Yeah, something like that. Yeah Thanks for that of eight. Yeah, I do the dig that cool Yeah, if I have like medic show up after this because of y'all for playing that game

Well, you're your own medic at this right now, so that's right I'm gonna hate you with a Mount Rushmore because I am a little interested in how this one plays out there's a lot of music on the talk on this podcast because I'm kind of into deathcore and some of those other metal areas. I know you are too. So I want to do your Mount Rushmore of heavy bands. Okay. So picking the big four, huh? I'm pretty generic with my top two. I love Knock Loose.

I really like Knock Loose a lot, more so for their, not just their melodic tunes, but they get so deep in lyrics, man. Brian Garius is amazing when it comes to writing lyrics. That whole album they did, A Tear in the Fabric of Life, from start to finish. First song, he gets in a wreck, kills his girlfriend. It's like a 21 minute EP. They actually did a whole YouTube automated,

or like an animated clip, like to go through the whole thing from start to finish. And she dies, he deals with it. And then at the end of it, he takes his life because he can't live without being with her. So it was like a really deep thing. I thought that was incredible the way they put that album together.

On the last, I'll interrupt just a second there because knock loses, I have a quick, I can relate with you story. Was that the last album? No, they did. Gosh, what is it? Because I know they did everything's quiet now or like divine Oh, you're not so good. You're not. You won't go before you're supposed to. You won't go before you're supposed to. That's their most recent. Sorry. Yeah. So my buddy sent me one of the songs, right? And he goes, dude, you got to listen to this. And he knows I'm not into heavily into knock loose and listen to it thoroughly. And the first thing I said was somebody is unpacking shit during a song. I said, that's what that is. Like that is,

this dude is unpacking something in those vocals so I will definitely do that like he is as somebody who I like that one song I want I can't name it now but then like to hear you're right like they are very heavy and emotional while being heavy and emotional. It works perfectly. Well, that and that the whole tear in the fabric of life. Ironically, they dropped they dropped that album the day I was heading up to South Dakota to Aberdeen because I cried on the plane. I cried on the plane listening to it. But it.

Yeah, because they they interview Brian Garris about it and he was like, he was he was like, honestly, I don't have anything to relate to that. Like, I didn't experience any trauma in my life like that. He was like, I just, you know, it was a storyline that came up in my head that I put together and I was like, that's that's a true artist right there. Like, you know, I mean, he basically wrote a movie, you know, through an album. And I thought that was really cool. My second one would be Kubla Khan. Oh, and they are just heavy. They're just heavy. Good lift.

Good lifting band. You know, I don't think their lyrics really they I mean, they've got some they got some hardcore lyrics. I've got a my whole leg sleeve is not loose references and then on the ankle I've got I've got a I've got an ankle tattoo it's a rope around my ankle and he says it in swan song he's Matt sings it and then in dynasty the end of dynasty they play a clip and it's from this YouTube series called soft white underbelly. And Mark Laeta, he goes and just interviews all these walks of life, whether it's, you know, mafia members, prostitutes, drug addicts on the street. He just interviews people.

It's really cool if you ever get bored, Soft White Underbelly on YouTube. But he interviewed Charlie Jones, who was a former prison warden at a Holman Correctional Facility in Atmore, Alabama. And that's where all our death row inmates go in Alabama. And so the final question they asked him in the interview was, you know, do you, do you have any trouble living with the fact that you, you have to press the button to kill these inmates? And, you know, he finishes

the interview with, you know, I never let their problem become my problem. They did what they had to do. I did what I had to do. And sometimes you just got to let the rough end drag. And that quote right there, just letting the rough end drag, like I got a tattooed on my ankle literally December 28th of last year before like my whole world, you know, just kind of collapsed on itself and It's probably my favorite tattoo. I've gotten That line that line will speak heavily with me, you know for the rest of my life. So Kubla Khan hits me at home pretty heavily

The other two man It wouldn't really so much be heavy music, more so for the reasons of the people who lead the bands. Alice in Chains. Hell yeah. Alice in Chains would definitely be in my Mount Rushmore. I've been on a big kick lately down in a hole that live off MTV Unplugged. It's on repeat in the house.

Yeah. Yep. That nutshell. Um, I really love, um, don't follow, uh, frogs, man. They like, he just had a lot of pain, man. If you could, if you ever get downtime, cause I can go into depth on, you know, talking about lead singers to, um, lanes that lane, Staley's got a really, really sad story, man. Um, but he, uh, he was phenomenal. He was an amazing singer and musician. Uh, but he, he did, he let, he, he let addiction get the best of him. And, uh, he knew it was coming too.

Um, and then outside of that, man, uh, I think you might just have to not even give it a band. You might just have to put his face up there for me because he has several bands that were just all mind blowing. Chris Cornell, Soundgarden, Audio Slave, Temple the Dog. He even did his own solo stuff for so long and he was just absolutely incredible. Which I guess Audio Slave and Soundgarden, I guess I don't audio slave, you know, audio

slave and sound garden, I guess would be the heavy rock aspect, but. And he had a voice and he could sing too. But if I, if I had a Mount Rushmore music, I'd put that, that'd probably be my four. That was a pretty broad span right there. No, that works for me. I think I was in change is still pretty heavy because at the time that was what heavy was, right? For sure.

Right. It's all right. 90s will always be the best of me. It's like 80s music with my dad. All right. I'll be that old man. Well, Keith, is there anything you want to cover before we jump into the unpaid and underrated?

I mean, I tried to add a fair amount of them into unpaid. So I think you've been going. We can we can circle back to anything. All right. So, yeah, big John with Mr. John's I think you prefer John or Jonathan, because I think I've gone back and. Oh, I don't care. Big John. Big John's been massonomics forever. So that's OK.

I don't typically go by John, but I absolutely will for those guys big bacon and y'all and y'all that works, too so we Got this game. We like to play so similar to overrated or underrated We just kind of substituted unpaid in there. So unpaid or underrated I'm gonna hit you with a couple here. Let's go with unpaid or underrated Barney. Barney. The big purple dinosaur, Barney. Man, I loved him when I was a kid. That's what I heard. I've known nothing since then.

Does it even exist anymore? Who knows? No. Well, it's basically like... I really don't think so. Like, it's not necessarily, I mean, it's up to you. You can create it, you know, look at it as, how do I feel about him today? Or, you know, if you were that infatuated as a kid, that kind of, you know, I would lean towards underrated. But I guess, I don't know,

your mom typed like three sentences about it, I think. So... Well, from my mom's heart, I should probably say he's underrated. But, in my mom's heart, I should probably say he's underrated. But in my adult head, all I can think of is how everything that was Barney owned smelled like maple syrup and pee. It just has that like- That's more of a you problem than a Barney problem. The guy at the Barney factory was like, I want to pee on this. The Barney factory was like, I want to be honest.

And over there. That's right. Hey, I guess that does work out. No, man, if that's if that's what if that's what, you know, young bacon like, then we'll just we'll say we'll go for my mom's sake underrated. All right. Cool. All right. Unpaid or underrated knee sleeves. Knee sleeves, knee sleeves are very, very underpaid. I will or unpaid, unpaid, not underpaid. I've just never personally, I've never used them.

And that's, you know, I'm not it's not anything to bash, you know, like. I don't really think they give that much of an advantage. I really think it is a, a mental game. I think it's, I think it'll give, you know, some people a sense of, you know, just more self-confidence, um, you know, feel better. Um, but also, I mean, it does keep, you know, knees warm. And if you do have any knee issues, I can absolutely see how, you know, how they can be beneficial. But I've always been under the mindset of I try not to train with a belt I try not to train with sleeves like

anything like obviously when you get the heavier weights and you do you like I'll use sleeves on the platform why would you not you know use a belt you know learn to properly brace you know have a good strong core um but you know when you're training for comp and everything and you're trying to squeeze out, you know, obviously put a belt on just learn how to brace against it. And you know, the belt's not doing anything for you. You're just leveraging against the belt. So yeah, knee sleeves definitely unpaid. I actually started just going raw. And I think it comes after my not the lift hard the VZ, but the competition before that, I actually started just going raw. And I think it comes after my, not the lift hard, the VZ, but the competition before that, where I would see these young kids putting on these tight sleeves.

They're up on they're up against the rack, pushing their belt as tight as they possibly can. And that's when I kind of realized I was like, you guys don't know what those are for. And then I started asking myself, do I know what these are for? So now I lift raw as until I get to like my 85 to 100% like max lifts, I don't put anything on anymore. Yeah, I really, I agree. Typically, that's what I tell athletes and everything. I'm like, you know, if about 80% and up, you know, I think on training purposes, I think that's a good range to have a, you know, use your belt. Um, and like you said, there's, if you're cinching it down to the point that you know, you can't get that diaphragm, like, you know, you can't, you can't get a good breath,

good brace. Yeah. You, you don't get it. You don't know why you're wearing that belt You're you're wearing that belt because somebody told you it would help you lift Right exactly. Yeah, the only the only thing I even wear anymore at all is his wrist wraps, but that's cuz I've got little baby wrists And I love her straps. I've got I've got Hands I've got like yeah, I go to die go to bench and my hands are like, like back like this on the empty bar. So I'm just like, just put the wraps on man. Like just figure it out.

But that's about it. All right. My last one here. I'll actually I'll segue into the for some of the belt talk. So you had mentioned you started working with Joe Sullivan. So unpaid or underrated the breath belt. The breath. Oh, I'm on the spot. That's evil. Joe, I know Joe's not going to this podcast, so you say now I give them really mean

whatever you'll tag a minute. That's OK. They'll just they'll just make my program suck more. I'm so happy. No, I would definitely say that the breath belt would be an unpaid gimmick. I can see, I mean, you know, just like anything else, I guess, like, you know, like if you want to like preach on foam rollers or like one of those little knobby, you know, back massagers or, you know, I mean, I guess everything could have its benefits to it, but I'm also just, you know, throw throw weight on the bar and warm up.

I don't I don't do a lot of gimmicks outside of, you know, that's like, you know, when I first got into powerlifting, everybody was like, you need to go train at this gym. It's got a deadlift bar. I was like, this is all deadlift bars. Like, what are you talking about? like, this is all deadlift bars. Like, what are you talking about? For a long time, I didn't know like how to how to differentiate all my bars and everything. One of the local gems I follow up here had posted on their Instagram story the other day. It was like, uh, it was a picture of us, Texas squat bar, and a fucking deadlift, uh, Jack. And they were like, the captain was like, what dumb ass did this or what monster chose violence today or something I've never I mean I've dealt with my actual bunch and like with stiff power bars but on a squat bar I would that would be brutal yeah

that's a little bit hard mode for no reason like 32 millimeter shaft that's a son of a bitch Monster hands I did eventually learn to like my deadlift bar, but mostly just because of the knurling right I for some reason I My power bar. I have the bells of steel bare steel powerball power bar. Love our powerball power bar ball but once I got the Texas deadlift bar, geez, like you do two or three reps and your hands are just like melting, like the skin's coming off and there's just something about that, that I'm just like, that means I had a good session. So that's the one thing I kind of enjoy, whether or not it's adding weight to my lifts. It's probably isn't. Who came out? Who came out with that deadlift bar probably like three years ago? Um, the Kabuki one.

Yeah, the Kabuki has a pretty big bar. And then now there's an, you might see it pop up every now and then, uh, the American barbell came out with one in the last six months. Well, that's their power bar, but they came out with a, it's got a weird, it's got a weird mecha. I it's got a weird fucking L El Padrino or something like that, but it's like it's like four inches wider than the the the kabuki Deadlift bar so like the whip on it is fucking extreme I was about to say the tensile strength in the middle is probably got to be less if it's gonna be longer Yeah, but that's like they thought yes, uh, I Didn't even know ABC was really doing anything. I know they closed the gym down and not so much the brand, I guess.

That's who you're talking about, right? I'm sorry. I was American Barbell. It's like a real big company out in California that like does a bunch of commercial stuff. Oh, no. OK. So yeah, this is like a legit like manufacturer. They like they are like an American made barbell company. OK. But they're just not big into powerlifting really. And then this was like, I don't know. It was honestly something from like,

there's like a, there's a huge Discord community for home gym stuff. And there's even a sub Discord of that, of like people that are like, basically like one of the higher up guys at that company is like in this Discord. So like if people get enough people that like basically sign a petition to say, hey, make this for us.

He'll like do a small like 5050 bar. Okay, it was initially that and now it is commercially available. But it's like a fucking $1,000 bar. But it's it's like it's okay. It's like eight feet long or something wild. Yeah, I want to get my hands on a credit as far I want to try one of those 10 the 10 footers. Yeah, I've I've played with one with like the adapters where it's like, like I think Kurt Kurt Lockhart, home gym, which is like a regular deadlift bar within like the fucking three feet on either side.

Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Good. That video that's on the it's pinned at the top of my Instagram where Gideon's jumping around in the garage. I actually I actually do think that's like an elephant bar. It's one of the longer bars you're talking about. There's a powerlifting gym. It's not too far from my old house. Chris Lentini owns it.

It's called, he calls it Iron Empire Bar Bill. And he's like Mastinomics, man. If there's a bar out there that he can get, he's gonna get it. I mean- Tanner buying a bar? No. Exactly. So yeah, I mean, he's got the Mars I mean Tanner buying a bar no exactly yeah I mean he's got the Mars bar and everything at his gym you know you can basically go in

there and just have like a you know a holiday of just like you know I'm gonna go off program today and just use all these different bars for fun nice that would be cool all right I've got a couple for you and then we'll hit your game and then we'll see where we're at Okay unpaid or underrated kilts kilts um Definitely underrated man. I mean, yeah, that's just uh, that's you know, that's a it's a statement piece It's a statement piece with a statement piece underneath it And I will say man that's uh

on the court on on theest days, it'll still it'll still do you proud. Like, you know, you get a lot of heat under that thing. I've got three. I've only got my one. I've only got my one. But yeah, I've got a utility kill. I've got my family tartan and I've got one from the old Irish military. Oh, that's rad. Oh yeah. But yeah, I'd rather wear a kilt than anything else in my life. That would be pretty rad if we could just go day to day

wearing kilts. I'd be down with that. There's nothing stopping us. Just other people looking at us funny. Yeah, well, yeah, that's never mattered. I think I think kilts and like the fall in the winter and then speedos in the summer. Yeah, yeah. Little shorts, little silkies.

Yep, I'd be content with that. All right. Unpaid or underrated smelling salts. Oh, absolutely underrated. I, gosh, Travis with the man, he he's been gracious to me. I've I mean, I've even got I had the smell and sauce from a baby face on him. Like that was that was that was wild. No, I love smelling sauce, though.

I mean, I love smelling sauce though. He typically keeps me pretty well loaded with that and I try to spread the love. Anytime I talk with somebody or someone helps me out in the gym or something, I typically try to throw a bottle. Because I think they're so fun, man. And even if you don't use it for lifting purposes, I mean- I have them at work. Yeah, that's good. I mean, even if you don't use it for lifting purposes, I mean, I have Matt work over in November.

I was like, now I'm putting these in the drawer and like, yeah, I would pull them out every once in a while. And then you're surrounded by customers. Uh, and you're just like, fine, fuck it, pop it. And then everybody's looking at you funny, but then they kind of hit a whiff of it and you can see them all just like, Oh, what's wrong with you, dude? This one might fall short. I don't know.

Unpaid or underrated, Tacoma FD, the TV show. I haven't watched enough of it to really like, it's, you know, it's pretty damn funny from what I've seen. It's the Super Troopers guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, yeah. And they may never got back to it. What do they call it?

Lizard something? Broken Lizard. Yeah, I know those guys are insanely humorous. Like they're they're so funny. I'd go underrated. I'd go underrated because I know I mean their depiction of everything. I mean when super troopers was amazing.

You know, I think they do. I think they mean their depiction of everything. I mean when super troopers was amazing. You know I think they do I think they do their their homework well on trying to represent you know whatever they're trying to portray whether it's the fire service or the the the police like you know I think I think I think they're doing a good job I'd go underrated with them. All right well then I think you passed unpaid and underrated. Yes sir. underrated with them. All right. Well, then I think you passed unpaid and underrated. Yes, sir.

Hooray. Hell yeah. Add it to the list. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Well, I think today, uh, well, I guess it's not today, but yesterday, uh, was it stone cold turned 60. How crazy is that? Yesterday.

Yeah. That's like, I mean, fuck, we're 40. So yeah, that's, uh, that tracks. Well, we, as in Joey and I pretty much, uh, Jonathan, I think you're, you're even 30. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm 34. Uh, I just turned 34 earlier this month, December 1st. Um, but I, uh, you have the same birthday as my little girl. That was the only reason I didn't really, oh, that's awesome. Yeah. I couldn't do anything. I was just like, no, my focus is on her.

I feel that. And then I'm the 13th. Taylor Swift has the same birthday as me, which is awesome. Yeah, and Stone Cold is the 19th. Or no, Stone Cold is the 18th. My wife is the 21st. My wife. My wife, finally. I keep doing it. And it's just like, Maoaf, finally. I keep doing it and it's just like, Masanomics let it die, but I refuse to let it die. So I say it at work every once in a while. I'll just be like, you know, Maoaf, and people are looking at me like, are you? I had to-

Did Davis send in a Q&A or questionnaire? I had like four, you, your mom, fuck, like two other people did. So I had like four year year you your mom fuck like two other people did so I had four separate people did I'd have to look at I don't have in. Oh yeah that's fine. It's Davis's birthday today so I was gonna tell him happy birthday if he did submit one if he didn't I was gonna tell him to go kick rocks. Have a happy birthday unless you fail to submit in that case. Now you said yours is on the 13th. My mom's is on the 12th. I got a cousin who has it on the 11th.

December is just the month of babies. Yeah, I gave up on my birthday once I had kids. I was just like, well, but I mean, except for this year, the 40th, a bunch of my my wife put together a go fund doing $69 till we got to our goal. There was a couple of hours. Amazing. Yeah, two people did some crazy high amounts, but it was just $69 by like a bunch of people. Not only was it hilarious, I got to crew falls. That's the best way to get there.

69 your whole way to Crew Falls. Better than hitchhiking. All right. I taste the same after a couple of days. Oh, geez. Like Keith, you always got to like there's a line and like we step on it. And then you're like, now there is no line. I'm on the I'm on the wrong side of history most times. All right. We got a few minutes left. I think Johnny said you had some games for us. Okay, so this was just on the top of my head earlier.

I'm going to throw out a couple of clues each time. I'm gonna see which one of y'all gets it first. So it's an initial game. So I'm gonna throw out some facts about each thing and we're going to see who gets it first between you and Keith estate. No, no, no, no. So the initials initials. So the initials initials were going off of our TV. Okay.

TB. Okay. This guy divorced his supermodel spouse in 2022. Tom Brady. Yeah, damn. Okay, good. Okay, Keith one up winner winner chicken dinner. All right. Joy doesn't know who anyone is. I'm gonna do really good at this game. Okay, serial killer.

Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy. Damn it. Little faster than me. Little faster than me. Well, now that I know, so everything's going to be TV so that I didn't, I didn't, it didn't register at that until the day I got you. Cool beans. Okay, uh, one of the owners of massonomics. Tanner Baird.

Okay. Good job. Got me. We know where my brain is. I was like, Tommy, Tommy, did, did, did, did not be. Fuck. Okay. Good job. We know where my brain is. I was like, Tommy, Tommy, do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do- of dog he has what the fuck is Tommy's big ass dog yeah it's a terrier no I don't I Bernie what I was just yeah there you go I know Bernie is a big fucking fluffy yeah but you you basically got it it's burnadoodle okay Bernie's his name though I put I did put Tommy's Bernie on on here oh there's the

TV yeah Tommy's Bernie yeah, yeah like in that garage that dog was like Avoiding everybody and then I would go back in the corner cuz I'm also like don't want to be around people that much I mean the dog would just hide there He's a good dude, okay, this guy wrapped the news on Jimmy Fallon. Night anchor. Fuck. I don't think I ever watched that Tonight Show.

Sorry, say that thing one more time. He was a night time news anchor. Nope. Nope. American journalist. He was on the today show. Tom Brokaw. Yes.

Okay. Good job. Brokaw. Yep. Okay. One more. All right. Um, okay.

This is a serious bacterial infection. Trabucolosis. There you go. Hi. Joey one with the last one. Um, okay. This is a serious bacterial infection. Turbiculosis. There you go. Hi, Joey one with the last one. I think he got, he, Joey did get two for, for Tanner, because I mean, it'd be in

a massonomics podcast, you know, bonus points. Actually, as soon as you said TB, my brain went tuberculosis. Like that was the first thing. Yeah. Yeah. You're saying that word so wrong, Joey. What do you say?

Say it slower. You're saying it so fast it sounds weird. Turbocall, you're saying it. Turbucolosis? Yeah, you're saying it's like turbulence. It's not fucking, it's not turbulent locusts. It's like tur, Turbocall. Turbulent locusts.

Turbulent locusts, yeah. So that's half our bits is like either the Canadian way he says it or just the joey way he says it and how it catches me off guard sometimes. Yeah, there's just a series of words that I've never heard, I've only read. And also like, yeah, it's tuberculosis. Like I get that, but that's not funny. Terriblent locusts yep okay well I got my own FMK for y'all real quick okay um so it's pretty generic probably but burpees Bulgarian split squats and

hack squad and wraps. I'm killing burpees any fucking day of the week. Cause if my knee was good, I wouldn't hate Bulgarian split squads. Like I love the pump you get from them, but I hate them so much. Oh, I, I don't mind just my knee. My right knee won't let me stabilize. So I just fall over. So like, I can't do it without holding onto something. Cause I unlike, unlike Tanner, I didn't tear my ACL but I came damn close so

yeah I'm killing burpees I'm killing the the the one we were just what were we just talking about what was the the I don't I don't have unilateral mobility so I can't do a split squat very well so I'm killing those hard core. I will fuck those. I'll fuck burpees. So you're both marrying hack squad and wraps. Yeah. That's an evil pain in itself too.

Yeah. I think I would though. Yeah, I think I would go Mary hack squats, fornicate the Bulgarians and then kill the burpees as well. Yeah, burpees can go right, right away forever. Oh, burpees. I'm going to have burpees and kill. Burpees really.

Yeah, they just you don't really get any gains off of those. At least the other two give you like some muscle. I got a burpees just suck. Like a decade ago, and I was like first getting into fitness and was super overweight and had no muscle. Like now I'm super overweight, but I have muscle mass. Before I had super overweight and had no muscle mass. So different Keith, but like I lost a lot of weight

just by like, you know, working with a personal trainer and like burpees was like a finisher we did a lot sometimes too, and it was just like, I don't know. I have, you know, and you know, harken back to like playing football and not really, it was more up downs, but kind of burpee adjacent. So well, burpees are really fun if you want to throw up and be sober, I think like they're the worst. And the problem is I jump when I do them. Like I can't, I can't not jump whenever I do a burpee.

And so I have like a double bounce for some reason. And that's just, it adds more to my ridiculous attempts at them. I got one more question for you. I don't think we, I mean, we can cut this whenever, but I saw you scrolling through your Instagram and I saw some log lifts on there. So is strong man something you've ever dabbled with or you ever think you'd ever

actually do a show? Have you done a show? Where are you at in strongman versus powerlifting? I've done I've done two I've done two strongman competitions and I really I really love it. I you know, I love the just it's a different form of training. It really, you know, you're not doing the same old three movements all the time. I think there's a lot of that, that really, once I did, once I started strong man competing, um, I actually lost a little bit of weight and was still pretty damn strong because.

You know, there's a lot more of just like conditioning work that can comes along with it. And, and it does it in a fun aspect of, you know, you're not on a treadmill or something, you're running heavy ass sandbags or yolks or, you know, there's a, so I really enjoy strongman training a lot. Um, so, but I did, uh, I did one competition and I, uh, I came, I came in second to a, uh, absolute unit of a man, um, Trey Godbold, he, um, he's impressive, man, he's. He's strong as hell. He's a local dude. And then I've actually done three. I've done three. There was another one I came in second at the end of last

summer. It was the beginning of last summer. It was kind of fresh out of my divorce. I literally signed up for it the night before and just showed up and did it. And, um, we had to do the last event was to win second place and we had to go back and forth, second and third had to go back and forth to, uh, to secure who was second and third with a 250 pound sandbag over, over the bar. Each time you got it reps, each time you got a minute to do it. I think I won with 53.

She's that was your back. That had to be so that had to be annihilated back pump you ever had in your life. I was crippled for days, man. Like, I mean, that I was like like I should have just like in my head. I could not give up second place Finally he just like finally he just threw his hands like that and I was like, thank god Cuz when we got the 40 when we got the 40 I was like if he goes again I'm tapping and then I just couldn't make

Yeah, so that sucked but you know, I'm very proud of that one and then I had to be like a 20-minute fucking event Almost a bit cuz you guys were right. Oh, no, it almost went like an hour Okay, cuz towards the end you're probably taking your time. You're probably taking the full like, you know 45. Yeah, I was minute Yeah, for sure for sure. Yeah, I bet Next year they're using a heavier bag for that one yeah the 250 was plenty enough by the end of it though that's awesome but yeah the I do you know strong man what sucks about strong man it's like right now I weigh I weigh about 242 and so I'm yeah I'm on the light end of the heavyweights.

You need to be 275 or you need to be like 219. Nothing in between. You're giving up way too much to 275 if you actually want to be like competitive, competitive. Exactly. I'm in a tough point for strongman on that aspect. I could probably hang locally but I mean to ever do it nationally wouldn't be a thing for me. But it is fun. Agreed. I could probably hang locally, but I mean, to ever do it like nationally would wouldn't be a thing for me. But it is fun.

Agreed. Cool beans. Cool beans. Well, this was fun, man. I'm glad you're making it on. No incredible talking to you. I miss you, man. Yeah, no, it's really, uh, I really appreciate you giving me the time, the opportunity, um, you know, I think the word are you guys, I think the world of

massonomics, this crew is pretty amazing what those dudes have put together in the time that they've just been a thing. It's just been them having fun and they've had an absolutely incredible plethora of people come together. I keep hearing one of the running jokes is that like they're no longer in control. Like, like they might they might be steering the ship but like the back like the rest of us are doing under the mass and how mix umbrella like we've got about it like, I'm not I'm not sure how in the know you are anymore. I think you're in discord but I don't know how much how often you're in our discord are you?

Okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna quiz you here. How many? Masonomic supporting members. Do you think there are roughly 300 400 or 500? I would say 500 there is we hit 500 this year in 2024 Yeah, I think we added about you know, roughly 100 I think every year we kind of, you know, lose 20 or 30 and gain 50 or 70 kind of. Yeah. Like that. Because at least, I mean, I'm just throwing numbers out there, but you know, we definitely had 400 last year and we have 500 this year and I know people left. So it's pretty cool. It's a good community. That's amazing. I

really, yeah, y'all are doing a really bad ass thing with it too, man. You know, it's crazy that Tanner and Tommy wake up on a daily basis and you know, it's just like they've uh You know they go to their normal day-to-day, you know job, but it's like This is a lifestyle that they've created for so many people Yep, and then the gym certification thing like it's in our list of general topics John You can hang out if you want we're gonna jump into some like general masonomic stuff, but I understand if you don't wanna hang out for that. I'm gonna see if my boy is still even up.

He may, I gotta be at the firehouse in the morning. So I'm gonna at least go kiss that dude's head and get him down. So I just wanna say thank you all so much for having me. I really appreciate it. I think the word to both of you guys. And if I don't see you at the Arnold, hopefully I'll see you at the Arnold. so much for having me. I really appreciate it. I think the word of both of you guys and if I don't see you at the Arnold, hopefully I'll see you at the Arnold and if I don't see you there I'll see you at the Classic. One last time just hit them on where they're gonna find her on Instagram.

You can find me at bacon and beer bells. Yeah, name's Jonathan Oldham. So all right, man, we'll catch you in a few. All right, guys. Take care, brother. Appreciate it. Thanks for coming on. Cheers, man. You all have a great night. Yeah, man.

Love you, man. Love you, buddy. All right, now we're going to jump into general topics, which is awesome because Dodge just showed up. Yeah, Dodge. We'll let you chat. So in a rare event, we jumped right in with John because he might have had to go. So we're going to do the

general topic. So if you want to join us for chatting about some stuff that went down, I think we got about 10 minutes to get through that. I'll chat a booth through stuff. Yeah, go ahead, Keith. Lead the way, buddy. Let's just kick off, I guess, uh, right last week's episode. So it was the Mastanomics 2024 Prediction recap and then the 2025 predictions that they set in stone. Uh, so As always, you know, I think it says like what they say it was like the fourth year doing it So I was trying to remember back on like do I even? I kind of remember some of tanner's guesses and some of some of Tommy's guesses and then it was funny cuz Tanner had no

Clue what he voted on like 90% of the stuff. So like I'm gonna be that I'll be that in a year I have no clue what I've oh well I mean we we kind of had the same thing and I had to like it took me a while to find our shit and actually go through and like find that that thing that Nate made where we can like have the transcript and took me a long time to actually find all that but uh My fact is my favorite part and really was the fact that they're still trying to get buddy caps on. That would be great. I'd love to get buddy

caps on. And then Tanner saying no to getting five bars in 2024 and he actually got 10 plus. Really got a kick out of that. So for all of those reasons, I'll go ahead and give that five out of five Scott Dodds hair nets Yeah, I did listen to it I actually even got to watch the YouTube video this week which I never get to do so Yeah, I've had a full week of videos since this have come out. So we gotta hit on both those. Yep. Yeah I think my favorite part was their crew falls recap was half as good as ours.

Now I'm just kidding that it was great. It was fun hearing about you know, all the fun that even sale I wasn't there for all of it, right? I didn't go to sushi. I didn't. So it's always good to hear these like, what are we gonna do in the next year? Because I know that they plan on being here for another year. Mm-hmm, it's always nice to hear that for sure. Yeah, so I'm gonna go ahead and give that five out of five

bars that Tanner is definitely gonna buy this year. Yeah. Yeah. Yes sir. That part had me rolling, just thinking of the strongman comp coming up, they're gonna have to buy axles, I'm guessing. I don't know. With all the different lanes. So that could be two or three.

Axles that they have to get. True. Yeah. They could call. Yeah. I bet he didn't even think of that. Right. How long till Tanner gets a Kratos bar? Like, like how long do you think? Until a mammoth or Kratos bar shows up at Mastnomics gym. Some of these days, I don't know. That's such a never pulled on that thing is ridiculous. I can't I can't wait. So there's a company here in

Canada. They're called says says strength, but they're out of like Newfoundland. So shipping is stupid. But they make an attachment to go on your deadlift bar. Like you were saying, I didn't want to bring it up because I didn't want to take up any of John's time. But they, it goes on the ends and yeah, it extends your deadlift bar by like three feet total. And we got a company in America that does those, who made both, right? Yeah, God, I want to, I want to try something like that. Because it was just funny, I saw a guy, he's doing these videos on Instagram.

He's killing me right now. And he's he just like how to stupidly explain strong man, and he's just like Mixed feelings like okay, I'll consume it because it's strong man, and now I'm saying in my world, but yeah But uh right yeah, he said like this is a cradle bar. It'll make you feel stronger than you really are. I thought that was really funny. He also said, this is tacky because rocks don't have handles except the ones that do. And that to me was just like, how do you explain strong man to somebody when that's a true statement? Anyway, big drop, big drop.

Huge. Yeah, fulfillment center couldn't even handle us. I wish I knew how many he ordered. Let's, I think it's gotta be 60. I think it's 60. Yeah, cause I counted when Tanner tapped out on whatever the day of the drop was that he wasn't gonna add anymore.

I think I had counted and there was like 39 or 49. Yeah. And I know he added a bunch the next day. So yeah, I would, I would say it's 60. What they bring in for stuff, I think. So the fact that they sold what 50 focus tenor, you know, he took one and Tommy got one. So the fact that they sold 58 in like 90 minutes was pretty fucking cool. And then looking, looking through the map and like, there's a lot of people that like, all right,

there was a lot of names I recognize. There's a lot of other names. And I was like, I only vaguely know that like there was a lot of names I recognize there's a lot of other names that I was like I only vaguely know you or I've never heard of you at all so like that's pretty cool that like the when the lurkers come out of the shadows and we actually like see their names on stuff it's like oh you okay so that's like there's a whole subsect sub subsect of people that like I'm sad you just so yeah is it set not sect subsect yeah I guess subset would work. Be accurate, I suppose. They've just like, you know,

don't talk on Discord as much or aren't recognizable names to me. And then it's just like, they fucking spent 60 bucks to get this banner. That's like really only a niche thing that like, unless you were really, really, really into it, you wouldn't waste the money. Well, I wasn't even gonna ask.

Of all the things I've missed out on, I missed out on that by 30 minutes. And the one, that's the one I'm the most on I missed out on that by 30 minutes in the one That's the one I'm the most pissed off about I mean, I know he says he's doing it again But I mean we'll all know that at the second round isn't as cool as the first round Scott and like even though you'll get one I will judge you harshly and I went hard on those memes to like Judging you first round like I will keep over everything just for the fact of gatekeeping is fun. I got the first jacket.

I messaged Morgan and I was like, is $60 worth it to have the Dilf dungeon on the map? Because the name is so stupid, but do I really care? And then she was like, we'll talk when you get home. And I got home and I was like,, there's literally only three left like I'm buying one. She's like, do it. Like she just she just go ahead. Like at that rate, I got the permission because there was only three left. So yeah, the only three left was true. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Big big big big burn if I'm probably missed it this round though Good stuff So I had a strongman show last week We didn't really get to talk about grads in the PR's brother. Appreciate it. Appreciate it Yeah, I think well

Yeah Was a lay out because we recorded from the Thursday and my show was the Saturdays is the first time since then so Had a great day You know came and did last as I usually do because novice weights are still heavy and fuck everybody that thinks I need to go Open but I will be going masters after lift hard live easy more than likely because You know, I will have that as an option now. So but the No, I know but like at least the shows that I've been looking at like everybody

It's like 20% heavier than novice give or take but then like some of them are the same So like I that's at least achievable whereas open Ever like it's like 20% heavier than novice give or take but then like some of them are the same so like I that's at least achievable whereas open it's like fucking 50% more than I can do on certain lifts I'm like there's no fucking bike I'll just go back to powerlifting and you guys you guys essentially kicked me out of strongman because you're fucking gatekeepers So don't say you guys I'm not part of this shit Was a was a figure to you guys, but uh, yeah Highlight the highlight for me was hitting that that 115

Circus dumbbell that I've been chasing for like three fucking months from the first time I touched It wasn't bad. Yeah, I know is that was I missed it at first and I was like man I don't know if it's gonna go up and then fucking it just, it was a you know, it was one of those like it was it went up, but I was like, I had to get my feet planted and everything. So it was solid. What felt like three seconds, but it was really like half a second before I got the down command. But then did you see the video the fucking the

pad they because they were running six circus dumbbells at the same time, like two two lanes doing a medley of three. So they were like pulling random pads that I've never even seen at that gym before. So the first pad that was, I had to go down, it was like an extra springy fucking pad. So there was no like absorption of it. It was just rebound. So a fucking 115 pound circus dumbbell literally came within an inch of fucking cold clocking me right. I saw you. So I was like, wow, I didn't realize I almost got knocked out. Yeah.

Yeah, that would have been bad. But but yeah, that was strongman show. And I watched you training for that. And like, you know, I'm not surprised. Like you got really strong. So good for you. Shit. Appreciate it.

And then some more lifting. Well, yeah, let's let's talk about it. What do we go? Let's talk about you messing around with a cannonball. What the hell's wrong with you? That was so cool. So I was it is really cool. But I was up in the 198 pounds or something like that. Yeah 198 pounds. That was fucking it was I think it was 13 inch It had to be 13 because eight because 18 is like not that small. So it was definitely 13 inches because like so because 18 is like not that small so it was definitely 13 inches because like so

traveling for work found a gym. Jim didn't necessarily have like open hours so I had to like text the guy to like set up an appointment that he was going to be there for a day pass. So he had already seen my Instagram and stuff so as soon as I walked in we were just shooting the shit like you know old buddies saw some Mastinomic stickers on the wall and I was like oh so do you actually follow Mastinomics or you like in the know and everything and he was like, yeah I mean, I like their stuff. I've listened to a couple podcasts and I was like, are you familiar with you know, in pain under it? He's like, no, I don't know this one. Okay, so I kind of was like try to talk it up a little bit But uh, he didn't seem to you need a calendar man. You got to give me those calendars But you know, so talk shit about gym equipment for a while,

he went and showed me this area and he was whatever it was. Like he prided on being like the something's, he's like a bunch of revolutionary war shit. And I didn't really get the whole gist of it, but like he's got some really cool old stuff in the gym, had that monster squat rack, but the highlight was the cannonball. That squat rack was sick looking. It was, it was massive. But the cannonball, so he rolls it out

and he's like alright there's like a gym challenge. Basically, get any new member or whatever like this is the challenge. It's like, it's not even to like lap it, it's literally to break the floor. Just get air under it. You know, there's people, he said there are some people here that can actually load it to like 54 inches or whatever. Oh my god. I know right? So, I fucked with it. Like I think the video that I posted was, so I had lifted it in front of him, with him, after he gave me some pointers

and I didn't have a video going on. So then I came back a little bit later and did it with a video. And it took me like four or five times to actually, so I had to like crop that video down to just like one fail and one make, cause it was like five fucking misses. But you know, it was very weird. It was like, I don't know, 13 inches.

So it's like, it was essentially a big basketball, slightly bigger than a basketball. Yeah. So pick up a 200 pound basketball. And you find it harder than a 200 pound atlas though. Oh, 100%. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Like there's no fucking way. it was it felt like I've never

felt like something I was trying to pull and it had like magnetic fucking force pulling it down to the ground it was wild like at least with an atlas stone like you're going over it like you're getting your body involved yeah this is all like four this is yeah like you've just got to get under it and hope you can stand up yeah basically, basically He's really I wouldn't even try it My advice was get a little bit wider and like kind of like rolled roll it onto your forearms as best you can Yeah, like like so that's essentially and once I did that it kind of popped up But it would have been cool to like actually at least like like like stand up with it like maybe not lap it But just like I don't know like get it more than a couple inches off

But like I basically broke the ground and it kind of just rolled out of my hands. But it was really fun. It did have a little nipple on it to kind of help to be able to dig your fingers underneath of it, because you put like the nipple part down. And I was like, well, I couldn't imagine,

like, cause if someone was loading that and then they fucking took, no, literally there's a fucking like a half inch jagged fucking nipple coming out of the one side I know what else to fucking call it it was in a Rex nipple that would have fucking cut someone open if they loaded it and it rolled down their body you would have hurt so bad fuck you guys that was pretty cool the squat the squat rack was cool too he basically had like had an old commercial squat rack that has those really shitty J-Cups that weigh 30 pounds and make fucking one foot jumps essentially in height.

But he put it inside of huge fucking pillars, log pillars. So at a distance it was this huge fucking rack. It was still really cool because he had bat wings coming off the sides of it with plate storage and shit so it was a The worst part about it was having to squat into a fucking mirror though because I was like I was I was just I was Just on an off day. I was coming off the show. My coach didn't have anything on the program this week He just told me that you know if I make it to the gym great If not, we'll start on Sunday, so you know, it was pretty crowded

So I was like like I don't know I'm just gonna squat so I worked up to a heavy single and it was pretty cool, but it was a I Don't know it was a good it was a good event though, but they had that 200 pound cannonball was just wild Yeah, and then you got bombed by your wife Yeah, and then I get home on there's a story a slight slight story that so like I had I was you know Moe folk and suck the biggest bag of dicks because New York is a big fucking state I left I left the hotel at 7 a.m This morning and get fucking back to my office till like 1 o'clock and I was driving the entire fucking time minus like

You know 40 minutes between like four or five stops for food gas bathroom, whatever So it was on paper was a five-hour drive and That was only going like that was going from the tip of the state to the middle of the state It was not even like going to like far in and far in but uh, yeah, that was a brutal drive But it was beautiful beautiful country through the Adirondack Mountains you got some videos and pictures of that a couple nose selfies that Joey loves and Yeah, so setting up the story.

I'm exhausted, I finally get home. I'm fucking dehydrated, I'm starving. I get food ordered. I'm sitting on the couch, I just getting comfortable. And my wife calls and was like, hey, I need you to go downstairs and look for something for me. There was like a list, she was setting me up.

But like, I didn't know this. And I was just like, god damn it, I'm literally just trying to eat food and drink some water and not be like sick and gross. And I was like, sure, honey, I'll go downstairs. And then I'm walking downstairs. And yeah, she had the buddy, the fucking elf hanging from my squat. Yeah. It was really funny, but I was still so annoyed that she got me up from my food for that because I was just like, so I was kind of a baby. It's great. Yeah, I wasn't the most gracious gag gift receiver in the moment.

And then I finished my dinner and I called her back 10 minutes later and I was like, all right, you did good, you got me good. But it was just bad timing. Yeah, no. And then. She's in. Yeah, she's good.

She's in. Yeah, on the holiday theme also, we got the, I'm sure Joey didn't get his yet because it's you know Canada doesn't have a mail system anymore but the Cessna sent out a Christmas card so we got one of those it was pretty cool. That brought a lot of smiles to our house. That was pretty funny. Yeah I will say like when I flipped it over I was expecting their open power lifting profiles you know and all their lifts to be listed there so big Jess for next

year I want to see I want to see a pumpkin pie in your hand and your power lifting numbers on the card somewhere and then we guess we can finish up with the YouTube video so which one do we talk about we talk about the re no because the recap one came out the day after we recorded last week so there was the full recap like the 10-minute recap they did of yeah like the whole weekend of you know we just did a whole episode no I know it's just more of no I don't I'm just saying and then today's video was the the YouTube tour I'm just I like to really sorry mention them can you say Los Campionios

no that Casey's gym okay yeah's just keep calling it that So It was cool. I saw some stuff. I don't think I even saw in person and like, you know It was just it was a really cool video We all were well, we all was in you and I Dodds you didn't want to drive out there this time so he didn't make it but uh Joey and I were heavily featured in a couple different lifting scenes as well as I don't there wasn't a ton of crew that were there that weren't featured in the background at least at one point so it's always cool to like you know that's not why we spend a thousand dollars to go out there to get on YouTube for 30

seconds but it's still it's a pretty it's well like it adds up to like the lore of like trying to convince your partner of like well it's gonna be cool I should go this is what this is one of the reasons why it's cool. One of the parts I was looking forward to was when they walked up and started talking about the GHR. And Tanner goes, oh, somebody found that. What was funny was I had literally just turned around, pointed the water bottle to Hannah and went, oh, the original drink spotter, somebody finally figured out its purpose.

And that's when Tanner came over and also made the same joke. So when like you can see in the YouTube video, you can see us all laughing because I had literally just cracked that. And I was like, yes, that's not what lives on. That would have been the perfect story to clip to if you called it a reverse hyper instead of a GHR. Sure. I'm just saying. And then yeah I didn't realize that he was filming me as I was like Ryan can you show me how to use the pendulum squat because like I think I thought you jumped in just to get a camera. No I

didn't realize they were filming me because I was just like Ryan show me how because I think the owners Casey's wife had showed him how to use it and then he was showing me how to use it and that's when I realized when it was released today that Tommy was filming me doing that so that was kind of interesting it didn't realize that I was gonna be included in that because I would have put weight on it. What did Tanner say there was something in discord like in reference to that but it was like you I don't know is like a reference a woman's name or something. I said Vanna white

I said I got the Vanna way that a singer or something. I'm so I didn't I don't fucking know what you're talking about Vanna white is it's just a singer, right? fucking no Lord Fuck you guys. No, she's from the price is right she's she was the Just for a wheel of fortune. Yeah, thank you. No wheel of fortune. Yeah, they were the same to me It's all the same game show prices right is actually but she would turn the letters like she was the lady that would turn the letters On the wheel of fortune. I got you. She's like 80. It's still hot. Come on. Yeah. Well, she's Vanna white She's always 80. It's still hot. Come on. Yeah. Well, she's Vanna white. She's always gonna be hot

Anyway Anyway, I can't wait to get ragged on for the people that actually listen this fire to be like fuck Joey doesn't understand game shows. I know game shows No, I don't Want to round it out here buddy? Yes, sir Big Scott you want to do aastanomics ad read for us real quick, you got 45 seconds.

Oh, shit, on the spot. Yes, sir. If you love missing out on drops because the crew was so insane and saw us amount in less than two hours, then why don't you go ahead and be a Mastanomics supporter as well? I dig it, I dig it.

I'm glad I threw that curve ball at you. and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and a fan of you and That does underscore Godzilla on Instagram. Joey, we have to chase down Toby and beat him to a 700 pound deadlift. I just want him to hit 669. And by the way, I wore your shirt at Crew Falls on purpose. Oh, oh, I saw immediately. Did that one on purpose.

I'm at just so everybody next time you need to delay a plane for me. Joey underscore MLCZKO on Instagram. I still found, I found Mathias' card in my wallet again today. Yeah. I finally took it. I will, I'm sorry Mathias. You left your wallet at breakfast.

I did. And so while you're in the bathroom, two things happened. He fucked with me? He fucked with you. Two yes, two things happened. You left your wallet right there. So the guy just goes, OK, so he picks up your wallet, puts in your card. And I turned to him and I because I'm protected.

I'm like, what do you do? And he's like, oh, I put my card in. I'm like, that's great. And then as soon as that happened, the lady came down and went, oh, an open spot and put the syrup down right where you were sitting. I was like, we couldn't have planned that better. That is hysterical.

Yeah. Mathias, you did a good job. Oh, good job. At least you didn't leave your phone there and had everybody take pictures on it for you to discover later. That's always the best. I wish he probably did leave his phone. Like he just trusts crew so much. He was like wallet phone Guys, it just walked away like it was a setup

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