Unpaid And Underrated - 114 : Humptulips

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Joe. They dive right into great topics like cooking Ü&Ü meals, barefoot shoes, saws, live music, and cycling. Links Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab (https://www.massenomics.com/shop/unpaid-underrated-tee) Get Your Own Keith Head (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/articles/keith-head) Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast (https://www.instagram.com/unpaid.underrated.podcast/) Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/) On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast) Our Guest On Instagram @joedeshazer (https://www.instagram.com/joedeshazer/) Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 (https://www.instagram.com/keithhoneycutt73/) or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar (https://www.instagram.com/thenowhinecellar/) @joey_mleczko (https://www.instagram.com/joey_mleczko/) Special Guest: Big Joe.

Mm hmm. Just so we're sure. I like the new background, it's a little brighter. Well, I just I didn't have any of my for some reason. It won't let me add from my images, only files. So it's only well. Yeah, I don't know what's going on with that. I have to fuck with it later, but it's not a big deal at the moment. So I went to the shared folder that Nate has and just like pulled the first thing that was because last night I recorded with a fucking a beach and a palm

tree and I was like, I can't look at that again. But also like my my room is a fucking mess and I can't have it on screen because it's a fucking pigsty that I haven't cleaned in a month. I've got like, I've got I've got multiple suitcases from the last time I traveled and home gym con So like I feel like two suitcases of shit that I've like are partially unpacked that I need to go through and like Seven loads of laundry that are just kind of skewered across their land. Yeah, I can see you're just so busy though Too busy for laundry busy guy, where's we got Joe I Learned last night what that that last night that thrice means third. That'll be a whole thing that you'll laugh at this week when it comes out.

I was like, thrice. Don't know what that means. I know it just means like addition to or later on. I never clicked that it does mean the third. Very good. Very good. Of course I wasn't looking for that. Learn something new every day. I want to gouge my eyeballs out with a fork. I hate allergy season. Welcome to episode fucking what episode episode you said you knew the number mm-hmm fuck you it's down the button it's under his it's under his it's it's

number six oh they're supporting members I added it down there that episode of unpaid and underrated pop 10 whatever all of you just said is, is the episode number of today. Four crew by crew, relentlessly mocked by crew. God, I'm sweating in here. Joined as usual by Big Keith. Howdy, howdy. And number six, Big Joe. How's it going?

How you doing there, Joe? Welcome. You are a man of mystery. I don't think, uh, haven't had a ton of interactions with you over the last several years. Yet you are, you know, fairly high up there. Um, it's kind of neat. It's, uh, you know, hopefully this episode pulls you out of your shell a little bit and everyone gets to know you and, you know, just, uh, bring all the crew together. Trying to be a little more active. I'm starting to get out there. It's such an active Discord and you know, we're all so busy. It's just impossible to do anything. What are you drinking over there in your drink spot or chill, which is of course the only thing I ever use anymore as well. I've got three-way IPA. Oh, a treeway. I felt like that was a fitting name.

Just the three of us. Good stuff. I just got a Waterloo. Pretty good. Grape. Anybody wearing anything cool? I got my natural for life shirt. I do.

I've got a, uh, uh, technically I wore it last night too, which was last week. So this will be two weeks in a row. I'm rocking the, uh, code unpaid barbell rescue shirt. This is a, uh, I don't know Navy. No, it's not Navy smoke up. I don't know. Like a cloud blue, blue, blue. I don't fucking know. Oh, did you get me the sticker? Uh, depending on what you're willing to pay for. Yeah. No, I do have, I think I had two of those. I'll have to double check, but yeah, I got, I had like four people asked me for stickers and I was like, fuck off. But yeah, no, I got you one and I got you that and I got Jenna's home gym nerd shirt, I think. So I don't, it should be good. We should be all set. But you bought a shirt at no. Well, yes, I bought this shirt. I bought multiple shirts at home gym con, but I meant to say the home gym con or sorry, the home gym nerd sticker is what I bought. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home gym con. I bought this shirt at home No, well, yes, I bought this shirt. I bought multiple shirts at home gym con, but I meant to say the home gym con or sorry, the home gym nerd sticker is what Jen wanted. I got her that. No, I wanted the one from barbell rescue. I have you that too. Oh, exciting. It'll cost you a dollar to send to me. I can Venmo you. I'll see you in July. March. I'm gonna see in March. March. In March.. December you can come up for my birthday.

So anyone listening that knows that I owe you a sticker, I'm sorry, we'll get to it at some point, but probably not before Le Char de L'Evisie, but I'll try. I sent out six envelopes. I know you did. I'm proud of you. It's a lot of work. So do that for like four years straight. Like I have sent literally a hundred stickers out to people in the last like five years like I just I know I got a Stack right now willing ready to go out that I'm just sorry if you've sent me one and I haven't reciprocated yet Just send me a reminder and I add you to the list everybody got personal handwritten notes Hey robo. No wait not robo Ron. You might get Cody's know and then Also get your own.

So that might come up. That's really funny. Because what I did was everybody that sent me their address, I took a screenshot, but I'd have it on my laptop. And then I would go, okay, this person's address, I'd write it and then I'd write the note. And then I would know, but then I guess what I did was I go, okay, wait, I'm doing Cody's, cycle over and I go,

okay, yeah, Ron was next, okay. And then I guess I forgot to go back to Cody's and had convinced myself I already did Ron's. So if everything works out, hey, I'm great at this. And if nothing works out, brother, we are not professionals. No, and in the past I've like, I literally like had to keep a spreadsheet when I had Like ten at a time and I was like trying to figure out who I fucking mailed and who I didn't and I was just like

Yeah, I don't need that stress going into the meat. So I'll get to you guys after sorry Hey, should we rate last week's episode or do you want to get into general topic? Let's do a couple of genetic. We had a lot of we had a lot of you know, not super masonomics relevant stuff So we'll do a couple of those and then hit So, let's see. What do I have chat GBT? I've Used it a handful of times for there's a dog making puppies a couple of them. Oh, yeah For for making some stupid memes And in the past anyone that's familiar, you know with with unpaid underrated, you know, you know big Keith

Here's got a you know, big, you know, Big Keith here's got a, you know, Big Keith over here, that's me, over here. Are you okay? I'm tired, man. I just, I literally just recorded like 20 fucking three hours ago. So what the fuck was I saying? Oh, I have this massive spreadsheet for the podcast and I have to hand enter literally all the data because it doesn't like, I haven't figured out a way to like populate dates and shit

So I have like the date of every Tuesday for the last two years in the next two years I have the date for every Thursday so I can keep the schedule organized of like, you know So when we're talking it's like, all right, we're gonna record on this night. It comes out on this night, etc This is the episode number cuz like like this particular week's perfect example Like this isn't gonna come out when it's supposed to you're gonna be a week behind Joe So sorry about that, but you'll still be the last one. You will be what people traveling to Aberdeen get to listen to if they're listening that week.

So, that's kind of actually a pretty good honor. But anyway, so I usually have to sit there and literally just fucking keep sliding back and forth between the calendar and sheets, the calendar and sheets to get every fucking date. And I've asked Nate multiple times, and he's probably told me a thing that I couldn't understand and it was never able to make it work. Hey big Nate here by the way yeah I've explained how to do this multiple times.

to actually give me the list of like, give me every date for the Tuesdays for the next year. And then I have to even go into more detail, like, no, don't make it 20, 25, make it just 25. And then I had to give it like four prompts. And then eventually I got it to where I could just copy and paste like 50 dates at once. It was kind of annoying because when I copy it from chat GPT right into the sheets,

it puts a space between everyone. But then if I copy it, paste it just in a blank document and then copy it again, works perfectly. So still a couple of workarounds, but nonetheless, it's the first time Chat GPT has been of any use for me other than just fucking stupid memes.

So like I was pretty happy with that because I literally went out until 2027 with some of these dates because I wanted to get to episode 200 and see what the date was. So if you haven't seen the notes yet, I don't know if you've noticed, looked or not yet, but what's the, what do you think the date

for episode 200 is? Joe or Joe? March 4th, 2027. I hate you. April 20th. I hate you so much. For 20 nice, nice. So it is 2020, it it is it is March 2027

I thought that was kind of cool to kind of see that and be like oh well if we want to actually hit 200 episodes We have to put another fucking two years into this is like fuck. That's a lot of work. I Mean, yeah Well, see that I don't love doing it I mean if it is it really work if you enjoy it, you know Show me a man that enjoys his work and I'll show you a man who's never worked a day in his life Mr. Corporate, I think I think Buddha said that I mean, is it really work if you enjoy it? You know, show me a man that enjoys his work, and I'll show you a man who's never worked a day in his life. All right, Mr. Corporate.

I think Buddha said that. Um, so that was a great story. I can't wait to read that in your biography. Yeah, that was a... It sounded better in my head. Well, like, what's saddening? I think Joe has, like, the distracting humming in my earphones aren't helping either.

So I don't know if that's on me or if that's some everybody can hear that. No, no, there's just a fan or something going on. It'll be fine, Keith. Calm down. Oh, I think it's actually a little bit better now, because I like my Bluetooth wasn't on, so that took some of it out. So we're good. Nowhere is Joe. Sorry about that. I don't know where the noise is coming from. I don't have a fan on.

So it is there now. I know Zoom won't pick it up though. Everything's fine. Turn on your filter there. Chat, G.B. Keith. So I want to filter that out. So I won a $200 gift card from bucked up. That was pretty dope.

Oh, dope. Yeah. It was just a giveaway from one of their reps. They were like, oh, I reached 200,000 followers. I'm going to do the thing where if you follow them and tag somebody, you win. And I actually won. And this coming off of my barefoot win, winning stuff

on the internet is dope. Bucked Up is a supplement fitness company. Yeah, like wedding stuff on the internet. It's a supplement fitness company. Interestingly, yeah, I use their stuff pretty regularly. Their pump is is pretty dope. Their STEM free workout pre workout is excellent. But yeah, I have a $200 gift card from them. And it turns out I can use it on the American site and shipping is like $12. Oh, there you go. So their Canadian site has like six things but their American site is topped with stuff you can't buy in Canada. It's good thing I do not compete tested because some of that stuff is not allowed but even Morgan's is like hey I really like something on there and I'm like well we

got a gift card let's use it up. So interestingly, I wanted to ask this question. Do either of you know what a stag and doe is? I know what a doe is. That's like two different deer of some sort. But what's a like a doe is a female or the doe? Well, definitely. Yeah. OK, Joe, do you want a baby?

Do you know what the phrase is? Oh, no. I think it's I mean, a male deer and a female deer. But I'm assuming it's some sort of a party, but I don't know. OK, yes. A stag and doe is a fundraising party for a wedding. Oh, do you guys not have those down there? Because Morgan was talking to me that her American friends are always confused about Stag and let you have buck and does. Nope. No. Okay. So that's, so that is a strategically Canadian phenomenon then. And interestingly, I lost a hundred dollars at this stag and do losing everything. And I got humbled

by a beer case hole. So you had to take a beer case and hold it just like above parallel to your shoulders. And the case ripped. And then the tricep that I tore, it was that hand. So I got like 23 seconds out of it. I was embarrassed because my one friend was there and she was like, I wanted to see how well you would do there because she knows what I do. And I was like, don't tell anybody. Don't tell anybody. But yeah. Don't tell Juggernaut you can't do that for more than 23 seconds. Right?

He'll be mad at you. So I won $200 and then lost a bunch of money out of Stag and Doe all within like two hours, only to realize you guys don't even know what a Stag and Doe is. So when I messaged. Concept's cool. Yeah, it's essentially like people donate prizes. You do like a raffle and you know,

you rent out a hall and you pay for the beer and then you sell tickets for the beer. So you buy the beer at two bucks a can, but you sell it at five and you pocket the difference to help fundraise your wedding. Right. And the dude, the dude running it here, he's got an animal sanctuary. So I was like, I don't mind losing some money to help him out for his wedding. So, but yeah, that was a really fun, like 24 hours of like, you win some, you lose some, find out your American friends. Don't know what a stag and dough is. Not even a little bit. Yeah. Pretty cool concept. Yeah. No, I do.

I actually, that's the first one I've been to in 10 years. I've actually boycotted them. Um, when big Steve got married, he asked me to be in his party and I said, are you doing a stag and dough? And he said hell No, and I went then I'm in because if he was doing one I was out And I told him that cuz so is it in addition. Do you guys not have bachelorette and bachelor parties? We do they're separate Yeah, essentially getting married up here means you're drunk for three months straight Right you do your bachelor party a bachelor at, your stag and doe, your wedding.

Like, you just, you never stop. Speaking of winning stuff online, no, I don't have a segue. Do you want to do the next one or do you want me to do my own? Well, you know, winning, you know, if you want to be a winner, you know, I think winners support their friends

and support good companies. And we have a bunch of those in our family But most recently Kristen Randy over at belt fit I think we've touched on it before when they first signed the lease of their brick-and-mortar Store there, but it looks like they're actually getting moved in and will be open soon. So anyone The greater where are they at? They're in Tennessee, which part of Tennessee? I don't recall but they are in Tennessee You know, they can so obviously ship everything but it's just cool to see good people actually be able to get a brick-and-mortar It's gonna help Chris out a lot

Just you know Just imagine running a business out of your house and then being able to actually separate that because he says he's working like 20 plus Hour days and sleeping a little bit, you know, just because he has because it's there So now he has to like force himself to drive to the shop versus like just going to the next room. So I'm excited for him. Hopefully it, you know, makes their life a little bit easier. The biggest thing he touched base on was like,

just being able to streamline, like he will be able to do stuff quicker because he can have stuff set up, not necessarily assembly line, but just all his shit spread out in one area versus a little bit of stuff in the garage, a little bit of stuff in the basement, a little bit of stuff in a spare bedroom

and just all over the place. So I'm just, you know, spent a lot of time talking with them over the weekend'm just, you know, spent a lot of time talking with them over the weekend and just, you know, very happy for him. Did he mess with you? Yeah, you fucker. Yes.

He did a, he wanted, well, I think he was supposed to do it incognito, but we were, you know, he was heavily drinking and I was slightly drinking. So it was just like, he just kind of sat the phone down and said like, hey, pretend like you don't, pretend like this phone isn't here. And then like, what's your email,

Keith or something like that. So got me to do the cut up. No one puts shit in my pockets cause that would have actually, that would have irked me and not gone over well. Cause I was so irritated that whole weekend. But that was Nate's idea. It was a reverse pick pocket.

Just slowly fill his pockets with stuff he likes. And then you can find it later. It did segue into me telling the story about what Mathias did to me at Pancake House at Crew Falls, where he put his business card in my wallet when I went to the bathroom. And I was just like, it kind of would have been like that. But yeah, just to support our friends there.

Can go into the home GymCon video too that hit today. So everything's a little bit off because of the way we're recording things. But the second video hit today, very similar to the first one. A lot of good content, a lot of crew in the background. I don't know if anybody got a chance to watch either of those or any slots they wanted to share on what they've consumed from home Jim con media so far. Yeah, I got it. I watched them both. I thought, uh, yeah, I mean, they're both good. You gotta say Joey killed it. Yeah, he did. He's the best rogue rap we've ever seen on camera. For sure. Yeah, there was the best. He was definitely the best rap of that first.

Yeah, no, he, uh, he shined. That was, uh was Tanner was like, hey, do you want to be in a video? And I was like, sure. And he was like, just go over the rep stuff with me. And I'm looking at the booth, and I'm trying to figure out where the bars are at. I was like, oh, I can talk about bars all day. And I'm like, I don't know about any of these fucking machines you're called.

And I was like, hey, Joey, come here. We threw the microphone on him, and I was just an asshole in the background, because I was like, I don't want to be an asshole in the foreground because I was like I don't mean an asshole in the foreground if you will. It was pretty funny to see you just occasionally in the background pretending they weren't there. Yeah, that was good stuff. That hack squat from Temple of Gains looks dope.

That thing was. That was a lot of cool stuff. Yeah. That thing was that was a lot of stuff. Yeah, then it's also like price like Not a machine person, but I was like, that's that's cool as hell Pulley thing was pretty Right, yeah Yeah, yeah doubt doubt motion has the one that was like super lightweight and Yeah, yeah, yeah, da da da. She has the one that was like super lightweight and attaches to a cable system and shit

Which I mean works people that have cable systems, but if it's not plate loader doesn't work for everybody Yeah But everyone I feel like so many people they're gonna buy something like that already do have those cable machines and can easily piggyback on it, so There's a lot of cool stuff. Yeah, okay, but I been janky, so that would be a definite upgrade for me. Nice. All right. Tune in last week to hear about Home Gym Con. We're coming from the future or the past.

Some time machine shit. Yeah. Um, last kind of general topic. So I'm like an adult now. Like I have kids and pay bills and shit like that And I got a letter in the mail telling me that my car loan was maturing And my final payment would be this month All right, can I tell you I had to Google what a matured loan means? Yeah, does that just mean you don't pay interest? No, I mean, I'm done. I paid off my car my car that's just terminology is that terminology down here Joe I've

never heard matured loan okay yeah I had a panic attack cuz I was like I don't know what this means I better call these guys yeah and then I was just googling it I was like what the hell does this this mean? And like, but like I said, like I'm a parent I'm supposed to know this I was gonna ask Jeff, but then I realized he can't give a free advice. So I thought that was pretty funny Just how embarrassingly immature I felt not knowing that I paid off my car embarrassingly immature I felt not knowing that I paid off my car. I mean, I wouldn't be embarrassed. I wouldn't be embarrassed. He didn't know what a mature loan was possibly embarrassed.

You didn't know how many payments you had left because I'm granted, I don't pay the bills here, but I don't know. I guess I would keep track of, I guess I could, do I owe two grand? Do I owe 500? I couldn't remember if it was a six or seven year loan. Oh, gosh. And it must have been seven because Orin just turned six and we bought the car pretty much right when we found out we were pregnant. So like the timing works. I just was just like, what does this mean?

What do I do? Who do I call? Am I in trouble? Oh, my. It was it was actually really embarrassing. I thought I'd share that with all of you as a. Something for you to come after me for he I got one thing so Probably talked about this a little bit last week depending on what Nate puts in but I finally did get a laptop So yay go me Nate has spent actually Nate and I spent probably an hour and a half on the phone today

On a zoom call him trying to teach me a little bit of Apple. So just wanted to give, you know, give some props to Nate for taking some time to work with me today and, you know, patiently, very patient man. So appreciate you, Nate. There was some stuff on last week's episode, last night's episode, if you will, that was before the recording of me trying to figure some stuff out and people were just rolling because like I didn't know this simplest things and yeah it was you know it was pretty good but that's that that's that pre-show grease you got to be in for. Should we do last week's episode this week's episode? Yeah yeah Joe what did you think about the the apparel draft and the or the tier list to see if it wasn't it?

Was it? Yeah, it was a tier list Anything on that just stand out at you or anything you wanted to talk about the episode as a whole? uh, I Mean I liked it. I Was I didn't prepare anything for that but No, that's like no no we do this every like this. What do you think of the episode? Any anything stand out at all? If not, that's fine. Just give us a rating Pressure I'm gonna five out of five compression

No, you're good man, you're good no worries See Yeah, I mean jockstrap and gloves at F that makes sense hats at sea slides at C Cut off arm hoodies at C one thing. I didn't like was the the ankle socks because I was did I was they gave ankle socks to see and I was I had to wait till see what image they put because some people have that like like to me an ankle sock is like slightly above the ankle and then there's like the people that wear those weird ones that

Are like below the foot line and like the no I was like, yeah They're like a 45 degree angle like those those are fucking f-tier to me But like an ankle sock is nothing wrong with an ankle sock. It's it's a or b all day I say I agree with most of it really the I don't know Nothing really, you know, it always brings up some contention So ever no one's to agree with it too much, but you know, overall, very good episode as always.

I will go ahead and give it a five out of five, uh, flaming beanies. Um, so I'm halfway through it. One of the new things with my schedule is I don't work Tuesdays or Wednesdays. So my podcast listening time is Monday for an hour. Um, so I'm halfway through, I'll finish it tomorrow and then I'll listen to this week's on Peyton underrated. Uh, gotta say, I, I would have put hoodies in F. I've tried wearing hoodies that interestingly, I wear hoodies all the time.

Outside of the gym, a hoodie in the gym is a nuisance. So I probably would have put that at F. Beyond that, my vegan fingerless lifting gloves were really offended by where those were placed. So I'm gonna go ahead and give that a five out of five tights. Tights that I used to wear thinking I had to. And then... Also, are there people not wearing shorts over their tights? Like when you wear those compression tights on your Well, I've only ever worn like I wear compression underwear, but it's like the same length as boxer briefs and I just wear

Yes, the tight tights are people just walk like a dog in the world in those like you can see your veins in that shit Dog in the world in those like you can see your veins in that shit Popular no just fights and nothing over it. I don't know about but I used to see it all the time Face full of wiener everywhere you win episode title Not on Facebook Facebook I don't care. I know I know It's a that's a dad. Do like the race for first comment on the Facebook like that is a pretty like heated Like it goes back and forth between like two or three people fairly regularly because Matt ruined YouTube

Yeah, I don't think any he won like 115 a row or something or fire. Yeah, actually we were just like it. None of us want to try anymore. Yep, I feel that. Big Joe, did you get a Mastonomics sponsor read you wanted to hit the crew with? Yeah. Let's do it, brother. All right. Are you confused about how to get strong, stay strong, or use your strength?

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are always more expensive than a prime fitness dumbbell rack The beauty of her insurance always pop nice That was really good I'm gonna do a very quick segue before we get the guest on the horn at home Jim con I was walking I think I was walking at some point I was with around Tanner when Adam from garage gym Experiment Jake's buddy that helps out and like helps run home gym con and everything, or at least the front

desk. He was wearing a pair of just the mesh shorts. And I think Tanner commented on how he's got the blank ones. And he's like, no, these are lift shorts. They're just, they're just so old. There's literally not a, not a, a ounce of the white logo anymore. I don't know if he was fucking with him or not, but like, I don't know. Like I looked pretty closely. I didn't see a faint outline at all anymore. So like, I could have gone, that's one

of those things where I'm like, I really don't know if he's being, if he's making a joke or not. But I think those could have been lift shorts that just got washed, you know, 75 times and there's just no lift logo left. But either way, it was very amusing because I think he had mentioned something about getting a refund or something. And I was like, Oh, was like oh yep just give it give the old charge back. My first pair of lip shorts there's barely a logo on them. Yeah I have a couple of those but there's at least something there. Yeah all right. Well the personal loan but still.

All right let's get our guest on the horn yeah let's kick all these looky loos out and these loan talkers and no more mature loans let's just get to the meat and potatoes alright joe is that you big joe yeah i'm here good hey so far

my kids in the background screaming so if i look a little distracted that's me hoping Hey, it's going okay so far. My kid's in the background screaming, so. Oh yeah? If I look a little distracted, that's me hoping he doesn't come in here and yell at me. Yeah. You are on unpaid and underrated. Oh, thanks for having me. We'll dive right in. We want to start recording as soon as we can. We don't want to miss any of that gold that we might spin. So, quick introduction, You are like number six.

Yeah. Yeah. Good. Started at 11 and gained five spots when I got the second card. So it wasn't originally top 10, but hey, all those losers see themselves out. I can't believe it. So what brought you to Mastinomics, especially so early? Well, I started listening to podcasts before the supporting member thing. And then. Like, I felt like I was getting a lot of value out of the podcast, because I listened to it was I was actually the very first podcast I had listened to.

Oh, wow. But so I felt like I was getting a lot of value out of it and not giving them any money. When that popped up, I decided to join pretty quick. A lot of information on how to get strong, stay strong and use your strength, right? Yeah. Yeah, definitely worth paying a small stipend for. Yeah. So where do we find you on the interwebs? On the interwebs? I am Joe de Schaizer on Instagram. And then

the other big Joe and discord or Joey and or not Joey sorry, Joe Joe and the unpaid discord. We got you in there this week. Yeah, Jojo and the unpaid that's like This week Yeah, we need to change that wait so you weren't the first did you did you change it to the other Joe? Or why was it? Why were you the other doing discord? I? Didn't join the discord until You were you were an early supporting member, but kind of one of those You're you were an early supporting member, but kind of one of those I'm not fucking discord with those kids Okay, you're one of those guys

It's all good. I'm old. I'm others. There's I keep me There's a lot of us there there's a lot of people that legit aren't on discord that our crew So that's why the who's talking to like like the 600 or so that are in there It's not really accurate to what the real number is because there's just there's a large number that aren't on discord Yeah, but that's looking through my messages the massonomics and I think I had I made him send it to me like three times Over a year six months before I actually Dammit show wolfed it. We went even daily like change it to like the other other other big Joe by the time you actually get in. Yeah, could be.

How many Joes are there? There's a lot. There's like, we're getting overrun. I think if you have a name that doesn't repeat, you are in the minority at this point. Yeah. Like I really- Shout out to Anand. Yeah. There's not a whole ton of you.

So Joe, where are you from? Where you live? I live in Olympia and from Ocean Shore, Olympia, Washington from Ocean Shores. Was the state of Washington? Yes, very specific. Some of us crew are a little geographically, you know, not the not the brightest. Yeah, I mean me. So, not the not the brightest. Yeah. Adam and me. So there's the state of Washington.

And then there's the district of Columbia, which has the city of Washington. Yeah. I don't think there are people that will just say Washington and talk about Washington to see other people say Washington and talk about the state. And, you know, you do got to do got to clarify every now and then. Cause we have a lot of, we then because we have a lot of watch We've a lot of DC adjacent crew. So yeah Interesting lives in Sarasota for a couple years and anytime I said Washington

Always had to clarify. So so you're getting a new crew neighbor then Have you been talking to big Joey at all the other? Yeah, no, I'm curious of where because he's he's you know he's already got the house like he owns the house and I think he's up there and sometime in the near future to kind of get stuff moving before they move so yeah we lose a title of strongest watch them Joey pretty soon oh wow yeah that is funny there's gonna go from it's from one one Washington, Joe He's real quick Now that'd be cool

But like fingers crossed you guys are actually close and can you like hang out and stuff and maybe like travel to some of these? Uh, you know lift hard levies and whatnot together. That'd be cool Yeah, yeah, I think I mean I'll get a hold of them and it's about Little over an hour south. I mean, so not too far. Oh, that's where he actually is. OK, so yeah, that's not bad. And our crew meet up with him and you've we've already got a preview of his gym that might be kind of a good, good place to have a little crew workout. So someone that's, you know, been around since, you know,

2019 or so, like you or even sooner. Well, so what's that piece of merch that you've seen and you just missed out on? Well, I mean, I'd love to have some lift shorts 2.0 again. My shorts falling apart, but Oh, the uh, the sweatpants ones. Yep. What's that? The sweatpants ones. Yeah, I love those shorts, but if I wear them now, it's a little inappropriate.

They're wrong spots. You know what I mean? They make sewing kits. You can just throw a couple stitches in there. Yeah. Yeah. I'll give that a shot. And where are you on your Hall of Fame journey? So after today I will be 9.5. I give myself a point five because they are on a call an episode. They let it go to voicemail so my voice was technically on.

That's funny. I know it doesn't really count but I give it to myself. Why didn't you answer the phone? You're all the way out there and that you would have been it would have been like Eight o'clock at night when they called you would be to be the perfect time to get those late-night calls I hope we as East Coast you have to answer the phone at fucking midnight when they call it sucks weird Wife and I were off on vacation. So Okay, that makes sense

We do got a circle back because I don't think you actually answered the previous question You just said you would like to have more lift shorts 2.0 that you already have. So what's that one thing that you don't have? Ah, I would probably that neon I know. Oh, yeah the neon lift shirt. Yeah. Yeah Going back and looking at that. That's pretty I like the neon lift shirt, that's a good one good good answer I was like wait did I mishear him or did he just he'd he skirt that question a little bit? We got you no running line. Nope. Not here. No, no horse cocking with one ass or whatever they say That that meme still cracks me up, whoever fucking made that. So Joe, you got that Hall of Fame status, buddy.

Where you at? 9.5. That's correct. You did. You did. Well, you didn't click it. And you did say, as soon as I, as soon as the words left my mouth, I was like, we've already answered that.

Supporting membership number six. So are you a big home gym guy? Are you a commercial gym guy? Where are you at? I have a home gym. Alright. Well, is it certified? It is certified.

Nice. What's the name? I named it stupid. I tried to do the longest name possible, so it's Greater Southern Puget Sound area gym and storage center. I think I did Tanner actually fit all that on the damn card because that's like I couldn't write small enough to get that. That's like poor Jack had to write that out. Yeah, hurt his wrist. out. Yeah. Hurt his wrists. It's funny. That's good stuff.

Keith, the next one's yours. Always has been, always will be. Yeah. So, you know, we are unpaid and underrated. You're Mastodonmics crew. You know, I sent you a little questionnaire. You had to send it out to some people. Finally, we did get a bunch of stuff back at the end, which was good, appreciate that. Might've been a slight delay from, you know. Yeah. But that's okay. That's a little peek behind the curtains. But anyway, so when you sent these messages out or you were talking to your partner and your spouse

and any family and friends in person about it, like, how do you go about explaining who we are and why we need this information? And do you have to open up that whole can of worms of Mastodonomics or just tell me how that went for you uh well my wife I didn't really have to explain it she knows but you know so Keith enjoy her I don't know okay I couldn't tell you I'm sorry that's an interesting thing to consider the next time we ask this question because like my kids know Tanner and Tommy well Tanner specifically and they can recognize Keith when he's on camera

Because obviously we talk about that like there's we have a mass nomics problem in the house The mass comics from yeah. Yeah, like my little the I put on my huck fin barbell shirt and Morgan went ha ha ha, wrong again. And my little girl who's three yells, wrong again, Joey. From like across the room. I was like, how did you, how do you know that? And then I think one of them called me big Joey the other day. I was like, where did you hear that?

And they were like, well, you call everybody big. And I'm like, I might talk about economics too much in the house. So then I just wonder if anybody actually talks about unpaid and underrated that much. That'd be funny. Sorry to hijack that question. I just think that that was a very interesting arc you took

there, Keith. No, I liked it. It was more. I know I've talked to my wife about the podcast, but I just don't know well I didn't yeah saying our names really well I mean that's yeah the deeper level than what we really needed to go to but just more of thought it is it is a Awkward scenario sometimes like and we always get a different answer

So, you know you've listened to the episodes, you know, some people have some pretty in-depth and some people were pretty you know short So no worries my friend So big Joe as an avid fan of us, you know, short, so no worries, my friend. So Big Joe, as an avid fan of us, you know, as the with the entire household and knowing who Keith and Joey are out there in Washington, I want to know if you're familiar with this game that we created called least fun, most fun. Sure. All right. Now, since you are familiar with it, I'm going to let you just go ahead and have the floor and explain to your friends and family

listening what this game is and how you play it. Well, you ask a question, then I answer it. What is the most fun of that activity or that thing? And what is the least fun of that activity or that thing? Perfect, perfect. And it's not either other, right? Yep. It is definitely something of each. Yes. Yes. Yes So least fun most fun here for mr. Big Joe Support a member number six least fun most fun cycling

All right. I hear you are big cyclists. So take that as like the the act of having the bikes You know the the however you want to take it, you know, use your druthers There's a lot of big cyclists in the crew. It seems like There might be a small number but the ones that are cyclists are that is like think they are cyclists before they are Mastanomic supporters they are it is their Creed if you will so the right term Creed Credo, I don't know. There's a word there. I'm thinking no credo is from Star Wars. No, what's the word? I'm thinking that it's like it's like your thing

you live by not motto, but It is Creed fuck you I had it right and you fucking deadpan me or in the face and told me I was wrong. Oh Anyway, so it's also credo is not from Star Wars. It's Greedo Anyway, so it's also credo is not from Star Wars. It's Greedo So I get I just know there's at least five or six people raging for the past three seconds Waiting for me to clarify this dumb motherfucker All right, big Joe least fun most fun cycling hit us with it my friend say most fun is like the challenge

Like if you try to like I try to ride further I'm trying to do more elevations and, you know, more elevation gain in my rides and stuff like that. So it's, I feel like it's a lot like lifting, just different. So I would say that's the most fun. The challenging part of doing, going on long rides or going on rides with more elevations,

harder rides, basically. To the least. Yep. Yep. Oh, sorry. No, I'm just. Yep. I was trying to get some clarity. Yep. Oh, you thought. All right. So are we talking like mountain bikes or road bikes or street? Like, like, what kind of bicycles are we talking just because that's going to all give a little more clarity let them answer the question I

never ride it so just all on the side of the road and the bike lanes got you perfect cool trails and stuff so like they have trails so okay perfect makes more sense now at least fun would probably be riding in Washington in the winter, which is doable, but there is, you know, does rain up here a bit. What's like the worst? What's what's what's like the shitty season that was I get to like? I mean, do you get do you get snow regularly or is it just like 50 is no. No, I can. I can almost ride all year

round the only time they don't is when it's uh basically icy January February I might miss some time and all right that takes care of that we'll let Joey hit you with one Yeah, the height person question being a lot of awesome answers on this one. Yes indeed. Do you know? Obviously you said you've been listening you might have heard this So you're about to go for a major lift or some competition lift Because you know, whatever it is that you're into and you can have one person alive dead present past whatever it is that you're into and you can have one person alive, dead, present,

past, current, not current. That can actually like be the person to hype you up for that lift. Who you picking? I think I would have to pick Jeremy. He was my best man at my wedding. I mean, like we spent a lot of time lifting in the garage and he's been in there with a lot of my biggest lifts And I me up already. So I think I'd have to do that again Very good. He's an army. So he's not around here and he's over over DC area right now Well, shut out Jeremy

Yeah to Washington's To Washington's. Yeah. We're spanning the Washingtons here. So Keith likes it when people talk about work. You can expand as little or as much as you want. Do you want to talk about your occupation? What you do? A little bit. I'm a carpenter, like a civil carpenter. So I build like bridges and stuff like that. But my main job is kind of running our carpenter yard. So kind of get the plans for a bridge and I take those plans and convert it to the form work that we're going to do and build the form work. That makes sense. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. It doesn't make sense to me what's formwork so that would be so basically we build walls like I would do by four walls but then those get shipped out to the job and then stood up

and you throw some ties you know hold everything together you pour concrete in it. All right See build the frames off-site and have it pretty much ready to go and that's pretty cool Yeah, and that's for like I said civil so you that mean like you work for like the county or the state or something or? No, it's like a subcontractable. Okay. Yeah, but like some contracted for for public like road work stuff I got you. Yep. Cool cool beans Okay, so Who's a l hefe is that you Like I guess so

Did I say it right there, Joey? Is J-E-F-E Hefe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. My name is Hefe. Killed it. Yeah, that's where, that's a name that uh, friends Jeremy and his wife would call me, but I don't really know where it came from to be honest. Hmm. But we've known each other for so long, I kind of're shut out from how old are you Joe? I am 46 Okay, that's you're still writing that cusp of like the core age or I feel like they

Talked about age a lot there a couple weeks ago. I think but like I think we said like 30 to 40 ish so anything and that like a 10 years either way really five years either way you're still Still one of us, buddy Yeah, close closer to scamps probably but Younger than Jen, that's all that matters She knows I love her. It's all good. Please kill Keith and not me. All right.

So you've been lifting for like 20 years. Yeah. Like got into it early. Um, I see you've been into a competition. Want to take us through some of that lifting history, where you started, where you went and where you're at? Uh, I don't, I didn't do a competition the only competition I did was a Charity one but that's still

It's in the notes. So I assume that's what they meant is that one charity competition Well, it was pretty fun, but I don't't know i kinda start going to the gym. Like out of high school i didn't really listen high school and then kinda take big breaks and start going back again and over do it and then take more than. Just hurt yourself not having a program basically. Yeah i was a program but i think i was program for myself and I was trying to do too much. So they say you're maxed at 120% and wonder why the percentages are killing you. I think in my early 30s, I didn't miss a day for like. 60 days in a row.

Like like there's like month like seven days a week didn't miss a day or like like training Fuck that dude. Yeah, Jesus. No fatigue I'm doing I'm figuring it out now, but Yeah, so then what does like so what's now look like then like are you trying to like do like a powerlifting split? Or you doing like, you know, are you on the jug with everybody else? What you doing? I? Am just doing fives right now. I just super set Squats and overhead press one day and then deadlift and bench the other Nice, and I that's all right for now. And that's the main fair. That's really tough

You could do that indefinitely and not get weak. So there you go Any Aspirations do a little lift hard live easy in the future or come out to crew falls or anything. What's what's your What's the impediment to get you out to Aberdeen or Sioux Falls? I Think I'm gonna look into the lift hard live easy next to you nice try to do that You still got time, you know, you can always come and hang out. It's a couple weeks You know, it's probably a 30 hour drive 20 hour drive

Not heading out, you know, look think of all the bridges you could look at on the way there Think of all the birds you could get on the Merlin app when you figure out how to use it. Tell me about that. I didn't realize until, uh, I don't remember what episode, but you're the barn swallow episode. I'm supposed to log these birds of them. I'm hearing the chirps chirps for sometimes. Yeah, I think the the app logs them for you But you have to confirm whether you saw it or not. Yeah, so maybe you're not doing it wrong

You just weren't doing that next step Right, right So I Yeah, I think you're still not. I've been using it since the Cowboy episode. So. I was actually out at my friend's house for Canada Day. If you like birds, you might like this story. And I get out of the car and the kids all get out of the car. And I'm carrying stuff to the backyard because the party's in the backyard. And I turn around and in the field across from us, I gonna say about 50 meters away. What the fuck's a meter?

It's literally the one that makes sense it's a hundred centimeters. I see a giant bird with a white head and I'm talking like the size of my kid and I went is there a fucking ostrich over there? And I started looking closer and it's a bald eagle. That's cool. Yeah. And so I got to log that into the Merlin because I didn't like, I didn't get it sound, but I was able to go to Merlin and be like, I just saw this bald eagle right here. And I got a picture of it and everything. So that was pretty dope. And then today it picked up.

Yeah. You can just go in and just like search the bird and do your location and say, I saw this bird here. So it does it helps them track the migration and things like that. And then today I picked up a wild turkey, but it might have just been my little girl screaming. I thought that was pretty funny. We started drinking that early. Huh? It's wild. Wild turkey is a bourbon.

Yep. But then we don't we don't have that up here. Gotcha. All right. So when you're not boat, when you're not cycling, are you boating at all out there? Yeah. Big boaters. Small lake by our house.

We like to take a boat out there and. Nice. So we kind of like we're talking like a little boat. What kind of boat you got? Uh, you got a big Tommy Speedboat and you're out there just cruising for chicks in your early 20s. Something like that. I've got a I'm not cruising for chicks, but that's a Yamaha 210, SX 210.

It's just bought this new one. sold my old one which was a. Pay liner nineteen footer and this is the yamaha twenty one. How was the was it was a marketplace sale or did you just trade it in because we've always were always look at it like a good shitty marketplace you know story and deal with the assholes on there That's always makes us laugh because everyone's dealt with that shit The buying of the boat went pretty easy the selling of the Bayliner was pretty interesting Well the guy Sent me a message Sunday morning and said I want to buy it by the Bayliner for X price and said, okay, do you want to come look at it? They didn't really say he wanted to, we just wanted to buy it.

So, you know, that kind of progresses. And I say, I can meet him about halfway from my house to his house. And then he could buy it. And I guess I'm missing the spot. He asked if I would take a Venmo and I'm old and I don't feel comfortable doing that for auto purchase. Yeah. So he was going to get some money orders and for some reason I thought that would be okay. So we start heading out to do the to do the exchange I got a message and he says

that you know he's having our time getting the money orders and he wants me to take a personal check and now that's that's not gonna work no what the deal fell through on the Sunday and then I think it was like a Tuesday Tuesday night I get a message and he asked me if you can buy it the next day Wednesday and I said yeah that's fine and just come over after work he's like he's you know whatever I don't yeah he can't make it the next day and so I asked him if you can just meet me there is there at my work and so he shows up and You know weekday. I'm missing I'm missing the function. You're good, man. You're all good man. I can tell you where your nerd. Yeah, well, let's let's get to some stuff here more. Let's see. So when he couldn't when I couldn't sell it to him.

Sunday, you send a message saying he works 90 hours a week. She can't do it any other any other day than Sunday to buy it. So so I was surprised when he sent a message on Tuesday night, but did he had a heart? You work 90 hours a week. Why are you buying a boat? When you gonna get to be on your boat? Well, that's what you have your heart attack apparently like Yeah, I wouldn't those working that much but Yeah, I wouldn't. I was working that much, but. If I were going to work past 50 hours a week, I'm not happy. I don't want, I don't want to work past 40, but 50 is the most

I'll work for a fucking company. Fuck that. That's the most you get from me ever. Um, so let's say, let's hit you with something you'd probably more and more comfortable talking about. You like experience with it or at least the notes lead me to believe that you still doing the homebrew You still a? You're not. Oh, man

It was a lot of time, but yeah, I don't know was it something you did for a while So I mean if you want to tell your journey with that it might be something that you know people can talk to you about next year when they see you at the committed home gym, you know at Lyft Hard Live Easy that you 100% committed to coming to, you know, 10 minutes ago. Yeah, I mean it was fun and made a lot of beer but made over like 100 batches, but it just took up too much time to give it up. Which one was your favorite? Sim City it was a All Simcoe hops and I think just pills and malt The simple hops those are then those are the new ones that are like super sweet No, it's it's a pretty old hop. They make a you might see the name because they made a lot of hops from it. Like, uh, Mosaic, Simcoe, Simcoe Family. Yeah.

Yeah, I know. There's this new one that apparently it tastes like gummy bears or something stupid like that. Where they're just like, it's the candy of hops of hops and I was like I know Simcoe hops it's not that one no it's not that one obviously up here we have a beer called Railway City or Rail something and apparently um when they used to cart the hops on the train tracks from here to northern Ontario they would fall off the side of the They'd fall off the side of the train And then the entire railway was overrun with hops so this beer company was like well, we're gonna go harvest those and we're gonna make like

Like a historically accurate beer with them So that's a hops story. You tried it? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. It's like, I've been on that rail track and had no clue what hops was because I was like 11. But I thought it was definitely worth trying later on when I found out I was like, wait a minute, I know that.

You're 11 year olds would definitely know what hops are when they're 11 because you you are a hop fiend. You are hopped up on hops, if you will. Oh geez, Keith. Hey now, it's a big Joe here. We can get back to biking a little bit here. Specifically talking about competitions. What kind of, are you doing races?

Are you doing like endurance? I know you said you enjoy the training and all that, but are you actually competing in it competitively periodically based off these notes here? Not I'm not competing but I am gonna do two Two rides on paying to do I guess I mean that counts as a competition like it's it's I don't know What else we call it if you pay to do something with other people that's a competition Yeah, that's what I would call 52 mile ride from you don't know where Westport is but a clear read of Westport so it's

basically pretty close to where I am now to the beach another one it would be the doing a reach the Beach ride, but it is... They have a two-day thing and one of them is from Olympia to Westport. But I am gonna do the first day and that's gonna be all around Thurston County where I live. That'll be like 68 miles and that'll be the most live road. How long will that take? Probably, I think probably eight hours. the most five road. How long will that take? Probably, I think, probably eight hours.

OK, because I was just. I was going to ask about like I've heard. The bikers drink a lot of Coca Cola. Because it's high sugar, quick caffeine fix. Like you haven't done any of these one to two day trips, right? No, I haven't. So there's no pooping stories to be had from your cycling. No. No pooping stories, sorry.

So disappointing. I mean, you might have to just end it now and get someone else on that actually has shit their pants. There's a whole lot of that. If you haven't shit your pants, it can't be on you and you. There's quite a few of us. I want to ask, if you don't mind, Keith. I did spend a lot of time on these notes, say, in a rare occasion.

I had time. I am not as busy as you. And I saw, I think you said that you have tried making some of the recipes you've heard from unpaid and underrated. I saw that. I've tried them all, all that I can think of. Okay. Let's talk about that for a half hour. Do you have that on the spreadsheet somewhere? Like, can you tell me what worked? What didn't work? What was your favorite? What did you hate? My I'll say my favorite was stamp on That was big Dutch Matt. That was the Dutch

Meal that's I mean, it's mashed potatoes with some sort of vegetable and some sort of meat. So it's kind of hard to beat And I can't remember if Berea was from underpaid or unpaid and underrated or I know we talked about it. Yeah, that sounds like one of the California crew. I thought it was Big Mo Fo, but I'm not positive. I know we talked about it on the Discord after I made it, but I gotta say Scotcherooz would probably be my least favorite, so let's get out of here with some feelings. But to be fair, I may not have... Who are you, Big Jen, hating on Scotcherooz over there? Hey, I also did not love Scotcherooz. No, they were no they were they were

they're a dessert and I don't eat dessert so like it is what it was wow um okay go ahead uh did you make pepperoni rolls my I did I did I don't know why I did not say that that's yeah no I could talk about pepperoni rolls all day I want to hear what did uh how did not say that. That's, yeah, no, I could talk about pepperonis all day. I want to hear how did you like that? It was all right. That means they can also, like, you have to make them super fatty and like triple like the ingredients for cheese and pepperoni to like, I mean, it depends if you just followed,

because like a plain pepperoni roll, it's like if you buy it a store, it's pretty like mid, but you doctor them up like, you know, if you make them like a fat person would make them their their chef's kiss. Yeah well I'm a fat person but I don't think I kind of did try to limit the pepperoni so I might give him another shot at some. So have you tried poutine? Oh I've had I've had poutine yeah.

Hell yeah yeah. I was gonna say that you must be close to the border at some point then. Okay, what about uh, Victoria? Okay, hold on hold on We do this a lot on this podcast where you guys shit on each other from different ends of the country You're not getting good poutine in no, Victoria, BC Oh, yeah. Yeah All right. Yeah.

You definitely need to go Quebec Ontario way. Even out East. Actually, I'd be really shocked if they had good poutine in Victoria. Or if you'd get like that like touristy poutine, where they use like mozzarella cheese instead of actual cheese curds. I feel like you'd probably get good poutine in Wisconsin too. Probably. Well that's fun.

I've had good poutine in Port Angeles but I don't know, I mean I haven't had it in Eastern Canada so. Yeah. But comparing it to is just what I've had. Then I definitely think you need to come out to Eastern Canada On my way Twenty-one hour drive I did it fine so many bridges you're gonna drive across so many bridges gonna be amazing What about jello cake is that something you guys made yet?

which is gonna be amazing. What about Jell-O cake? Is that something you guys made yet? You made that? I don't remember Jell-O cake. Oh, so that's just, I don't, it's more of, the only food I remember talking about is the shit I talked about, because we've had a fucking hundred guests on,

so it's like, what did this one person say two years ago? I was like, I don't fucking remember as far as food. But no, but Jell-O cake, because Jell-O cake's like my specialty favorite dessert cake thing. But Google that one and try it sometime and get back to us, because I think as a self-admitted husky man, you might enjoy it. It's a sweet dessert.

Trying to think of other cool shit people have mentioned. Have you tried Tiger meat? That's more of a... I was gonna get there eventually. Oh, sorry. No, no, I'm glad you did I've had steak tartar and I feel like that's probably close enough. Is that raw beef basically? Yeah, it is Yeah, I don't I don't know if it's the same because tiger meats was spiced pretty heavily

I've had a difference Once the one was a little more mild, but I mean it's still same. Yeah. The one Tron made was pretty intense. Oh yeah. That's right. You were there. Yeah. That one McCormick's so not raw burger. It was so weird, but it's very cool that we've, uh, yeah, that's wild. You know, it's like, yeah, we're, we're making dinner that Keith and Joey talked about with their guests this week.

The household names over there. If they're for not household names yet, like my goal is to be a household name in your house by the end of the week. Well, he's gonna listen or my wife will listen to it. So I apologize in advance for all the swearing. Well, we've been pretty good. Are you a are you a fellow dink? I didn't see anything about kids in your notes usually people put a bunch of stuff other kids. Yeah, I like considers thanks.

Nice bro equally as busy. I'm glad that's that somebody gets it, you know, we're busy men. I'm busy. So I think everybody is busy. I know. That's it. We literally are. I think I don't know anyone that has, you know, ample downtime. Yeah, I'm round and out now where I'm forcing downtime. Right? Like I today we went to the beach and my work was just like you know hey it's the beginning of the month how's your sales are you starting? I was like shut up. I'm going to the beach with my kids right like it's a it does get to a point honestly where if you're constantly on the go you burn out so fast.

And burnout, it's one of those things that like, you know, I don't want to become that kind of podcast, but every once in a while we do. Guys, check your burnout. Men, women, check your burnout because it comes out in the wrong ways, right? That's when you start doing stuff to yourself, to your body, to your mind that you don't love.

So yeah, we joke about being busy, but that body, to your mind that you don't love. So yeah, we joke about being busy, but that burnout hit me hard at the end of last month. And I was just like, Nope, not doing this again. I slept in a tent the other night. I saw in my backyard. I was like, Nope, I don't want to do this. I'm going outside to bask in the frogs and fireflies. Do you have a little air mattress or anything?

Yep. Or is it right on the... No, no. Yeah. So, quick story. Every year my dad sets up the tent, because we used to love camping when we were kids. So he sets up the tent in the backyard. And his big idea is I'm airing it out for our next big trip.

So first, that trip's not coming. And then he starts talking about he's like, Oh, me and Orin, Orin's my son, we can sleep outside. We'll look at the stars. And nobody ever does. I'm the only one that ever sleeps out there. Every year. If I was your day, you know, your dad's probably in his 60s. He didn't want to sleep on the damn grass. Yeah. And your your son's gonna just you know, he's busy licking walls. He got the upper tents To the to the to the tent wall Yeah, there's no TV in here. I don't want to be in here and meanwhile, I'm just like It would be pretty peaceful like I don't know I do envy the fact you just come in

I know you have neighbors and stuff, but like you can't, you don't have a lot of like road noise at least. I can't imagine at least not in your backyard. Whereas I can't open my windows half the time without hearing some fucking bullshit. So yep. Or you just run the air conditioning as much as we can just because I can't open the windows very often. So just imagine my backyard is the size of New York.

It's just big and wide and there's nobody around. mean according to everyone else in crew New York's fucking tiny Now I don't understand my my scale is so off Joe, are you on the barefoot train I Just ordered some Bruins today nice. I like Middle-most shoes, but I haven't bought the barefoot. Ooh, you're in for a treat. You didn't use my code. That's okay. I didn't. Because they had a 20% off without a code. Yeah. I wonder if you could stack my code on that. I tried. I tried, but yours and I put my code on.

Oh, first of all, thank you. That's awesome. Second of all, no, that's really cool. And one thing Barefoot has done in the past is actually use those where if you use our code and that, they still give us credit. They didn't do it this time, but they've done that in the past. I've never had that with an affiliate

where they run their own sale and then just like the affiliates get nothing, right? Obsidian does that for us. So even if they have a 50% off sale, you can stack my code. I don't get commission, but I get like, thank you. Which is still dope, because it just pushes my name up to the top, right?

So thank you for at least trying, that's amazing. You're in for a treat. Barefoot is Just the best like they are. Did you get the American made Bruins or the regular Bruins? Tell them I'm sure Okay, so yeah, the the Patriot Bruins are made in America And then I think those are the Patriots are only steel to erase. No, they haven't they haven't done steel toes yet They've done the business casual ones, which is like the leather kind of pointed toe They haven't done steel toes yet. Oh, they haven't got they've done the business casual ones Which is like the leather kind of pointed toe

They haven't done steel toe yet and we're waiting on it Shelby and Ryan talked about it when they were on and I Talked to actually was nice. There's the one thing that was one thing you miss from home Jim Connelly Probably enjoyed the most it's just like a Lot of free time shooting the shit with Shelby and Ryan. I talked to them a good bit. So great people Absolutely so fruitly So that's your first pair. What have you I what have you tried before barefoot?

Got some zeros and I've got some Vivo barefoot Vivo whatever that is the V know the video. I think they're called Vivio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, they're pretty good I use those as my work shoes because they're very kind of they look really professional Yeah Very good. Why do you hate mustard? Hate mustard. No, you know you love mustard. Why do you love mustard? delicious It is now do you like do you like the kernel Lee mustard or just like a straight up like yellow mustard?

I like them both. But I like like especially like you get french fries. I'm not a big ketchup guy. So you put pepper and you dip your fries and mushroom and it's not mushroom mustard. Ketchup is a trash condiment. So I completely understand. Pepper and mustard is significantly healthier than salt in the ketchup. And I wouldn't say that it tastes as good, but is if you can lie to yourself and say that it does and you know, convince your body that it does, then that works. I wish I thought mustard tasted awesome. I mean, I, I can eat like, you know, Turkey and mustard or baloney and most of it is okay. But I don't know. Mustard is my city. I mean I I can eat like, you know turkey and mustard or bologna and mustard. It's okay, but I don't mustard is

No, my city my city is now the leading mustard distributors in in in North America We have a festival. It's a jazz festival called the Mustard Festival good times. What's your ideal mustard delivery? besides fries Besides fries. Oh, maybe it probably some to meet some to meet. Yep. Yeah. Can I can to the draft?

I'm a big onion rings and mustard guy. We could see that. Yeah. Yeah. Those those go. I'm sure I've tried it, but I can't think of it. I can't think of having that. Well, now you will. And you can tag me and we can talk about it

I'm just now I'm excited for like future guests when we talk about random foods Like I'm what Joe to specifically I almost want him if it's a so If it's a food that you specifically got from our episode I would recommend posting it in unpaid and underrated even if if it's like a month later, rather than foods and drinks channel, because obviously that gives our little channel a little more conversation and makes it... Because it sounds like even... I don't look at foods and drinks hardly at all, whatever that chat is. There's so many chats, but I look at everything that's posted in an hour or so. If you're highly recommend anyone that's doing anything unpaid and underrated adjacent, throw

it in our chat so everything's a little more central to Joey and I 100% see it and know that you are listening to us because we don't know most of the time. I've had a lot of people come up to me and say, oh yeah, I love the podcast, et cetera. I'm like, oh, didn't know you listened at all. That's awesome to hear. Thank you. I've never seen you interact or DM me or make a comment on any of our social media. Awesome. Glad you listen

I have one. So this is the point where we'd you know a Lot of times our crew has to have a good shit story and our poop story And you know, we don't have one of those so without a shit story I do want to hear your oh shit story which involved a four-wheeler up a hill Yeah, so story which involved a four-wheeler up a hill? Yeah, so. Brother-in-law and his my nephews and stuff were riding four wheelers in this pit down at Hump Tulips. It's a fun name to say. And so there is this one spot where it was basically

like a quarter pipe at the bottom and then you can't one up about 15 feet and you land on the top so you you're not touching for the I don't know 10 feet so you hit the quarter pipe you're not touching anything you get over the lip and then you kind of fall and just, you're good. So I hit it once. Hypothetically. Yeah, hypothetically. Yeah, I hit it once and it was really good, but I felt like maybe I could have gone a little faster.

So the next time I went a little too fast, I probably went, you know, I had like five feet of air above the lip, came down pretty hard. I bet then the wheelers aren't like No, the third time I was thinking about I was giving it too much throttle I gave it a little not quite enough throttle, but I landed Like basically between the tires right on the lip

Like basically between the tires right on the lip Grab both brakes, but there was no stopping it. I just kind of slid back and quad landed on me and Yeah cased it as Gary would say and Yeah, my brother-in-law thought I'd broken my leg and done some real damage but I may have done something because I had looked like a couple days later it looked like I had a third ass cheek right above my right cheek nice and nice and dark purple I got one of those on my shin still from fucking three weeks ago So I had I had to Google this it's it's called hump tulips

Yeah, it's a town a river. There's a grocery and gas called hump tulips, which is interesting because like if I saw that There's no way I would pronounce it hump tulips. I Would say I would say like hump tulips. I'd be like there's no way anybody has made their town hump to lips Wait, it's not tulips like the flower. It is it's a hump and then the flower tulips, but it sounds like tulips I said yeah, I would I would I for sure would have said humped lips There's like it sounds like a children's dinosaur or something humped lips Hey kids look it's humped lips It sounds like a children's dinosaur or something. Could be an episode. Yeah. Humpty Lips. Hey, hey, kids, look, it's Humpty Lips. Yeah. We got some fun names up in Washington.

I'm I'm learning that that's really fun. So look, it's fun to to look. So look, I'm so I come. Yeah. Joe, you're so dirty. fun to to look on to look on to like him. Yep. Joe, you're so dirty. Somebody's messing with you. Somebody's messing with you in Washington state. Yeah. How far from humped lips is to like him.

An hour. Good for you. Endurance man over here. I mean, it's one of that. Don't know that biking marathons, you know, with you. Endurance man over here. I mean, it's going to that. Don't all that biking marathons, you know, with you that you weren't a marathon man. What is your version to these heights and specifically with water? Like it says, you can't jump into water over three feet. So does that mean like the depth of the water three feet or like from a diving?

I guess explain that one to me. Yeah, I don't know what it is. I just cannot jump from any height into water. I mean, there's a lake I would go. There's a lake we go to, a rife lake. And there used to be a tower you could jump off. And like it could be. Depending on the level of the lake, the changes

throughout the summer, but it could be like 40 feet down to 10 feet. And I think I crawled up the tower when it was 10 feet. And then I, uh, stood there for about 10 or 15 minutes and I came back down the ladder because I cannot jump into water and it's rational fear. No, I wouldn't look and want to jump. I that and it's a rational fear. No, it is. I wouldn't want to jump. Sounds like a rational fear. We're not young men anymore, buddy. I got a lot of life to live and an unknown jump into an unknown water.

No thank you. This was 16 years ago, so I wasn't all that young. I can do it. You're still dirty 30. That's that's right when I started to feel a little older I think. Yeah. All right. Anything else you want to pull out before we hit them with some games? Yeah tell me about the Halloween costumes that you got pulled over in. And and I like I mean the first question is like how Did you give him a calendar is that how you got out of the ticket? and

Second, what were you thinking with that costume? I want to hear the exact description of that costume because that sounds hilarious Well at the time hilarious. Hawaiian shirt. So I thought a good idea might be a some of the long on vacation. Right. What the fuck? I didn't see that. When I asked earlier, hey, is there anything you don't want to talk about? No, that's actually really funny. It's fine. No, no, no. That's just awesome. Talking anyway, I was I was rooting for us.

It was a good document. Did you finish it? I don't want to give you any spoilers. Yeah, they fucking. And then so you got pulled over you're dressed this way. Yeah. Did you have a turban? I don't know if I was wearing it at the time. Okay. I probably didn't have it on that's fair. I don't remember that part

but Yeah, I mean I didn't get a ticket so I don't and I don't remember having to explain my costume, but I maybe I did maybe I did insult my wife on that she was Lois by the way from Family Guy yes which is one of my favorite TV shows yeah we can move into some games unless you want to talk about jello legs. Yeah, there's a do you do you hold your liquor okay or not? And we hear you don't better now. I'll just say notes. The notes just specifically said, you know,

essentially that you just you're so coherent, you don't get sick, you just literally fall down all the time. Do you have a balance issue when you're a little inebriated? Is that why you won't come to Aberdeen? Cause you know, you'll put down two or three beers and you just don't want to fall down in front of us. Oh no, it's not two or three beers. It's a lot more than that. I know.

Those days are over. No more yagas, no more fireball. No more jello legs Sorry, Joey. No more. Yeah, you're a fireball. It's like half my day I agree. That's good. That's urban That's how me and Lou get kicked out of places That's why I's Lou coming to lift hard I don't think he's on the roster I'm sure he's coming to hang out or not, or if he's coming to hang out. I'd hope so. We'll see you there buddy ideally All right big Joe. We're moving into another little game here

FMK if you're familiar if anyone listen is not we're gonna give Joe three topics He's got a fuck one marry one and kill one and he's gonna use his druthers He can explain it all to us as little words as much as he likes I'm gonna go would you like to do one? My construction tools is that something you'd there's some carpentry tools you want to FMK for carpet trolls Is that something you'd be down with? Well, sure So I fuck Mary kill circular saw reciprocating saw oscillating tool Hmm Fuck, marry, kill, circular saw, reciprocating saw, oscillating tool. Hmm. Uh, definitely kill, uh, reciprocating saw.

It's not a great tool. It's good sometimes with limited use. Yeah, it's fair. I'd probably marry the skill saw, because I feel like that's the most versatile And I guess fuck the oscillating tool because oscillating tool is pretty cool. I It is pretty cool I did not have one when I did maintenance a decade ago and my god It would have come in handy like so many tasks like so many fucking tasks having an oscillating tool would have like I could have

Oh, there's just so much little shit I could have done quicker with that all right deal good deal that one was a nothing really stood out to me and I was just you know I saw a lot of carpentry stuff I was like oh because a lot of the other stuff submitted was like stuff we already kind of hit on so I was like I'm gonna just throw in this strictly tool related question and then I'll pass it off here to big Joey for little rush more I might have to take it yeah we're gonna see how well one goes and then maybe do the next one Joe is so long-winded we might not have time for a

second one but your Mount Rushmore of your siblings okay you do that? You can't handle that. AKA which one are you leaving out? Oh no, do I get the alien? What? Do I get the alien? Oh I guess you technically do. That's not fair. Oh it is fair. It's absolutely very fair. So yeah. The alien would be the black sheep though you would think because it'd be the last one you'd mention. It's the one nobody sees. Hmm. That's me and my family. Yeah, because there's six of us, a big family. So, yeah. Linda, Santana, Rosetta, Tim and Jerry. I guess Jerry's getting the alien. Yep. The alien had made that too easy.

So I'm going to go metal bands. I'm sorry, what's that? Metal bands. Metal bands. Metal bands. Yeah, you'll get... What the fuck did I just break? We might be able to actually get into this one. Do you listen to metal?

Uh, yeah. But what I consider metal might be a little different, but I would go tool, Melvins, Glass Draw count? Of course they do. Glass Draw. Aren't they Canadian? I think they're Brooklyn. No, I'm thinking of Alexis on Fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

About Snot. Snot's new metal. Still counts. Still counts. I'll About Snot. Snot's a new metal. Still counts. Still counts. I'll go with that. That's what I would go with. So the Melvins are up there for you? Yeah.

They're one of my favorite bands. That's so cool. King Buzzo plays on Fantomas. Yeah. So you would have heard all the Mike Patton talk from two weeks ago. Yep. Did you hear that album all the Mike Patton talk from two weeks ago. Yep. Did you hear that album when they did all their songs together? Yeah, not huge, phantomless, phantomless guy.

That was most of my introduction to the Melvins was that album. I've always knew them because I know that tool covered them. Yeah. Like there are some Melvins cover. Geez, you're gonna do this to me? No, no, you don't have to answer now. But I know they're, I mean, they're buddies, they play together. Yeah, I can't what they I'll figure it out. And I'll message you because I know that I know they did another one too, for on the Salvo album. There's a cover of peach

Which is the British band that they hired Justin Chancellor from but I know there's a Melvins covered live from tools somewhere out in the world Yeah, I'll figure that out I'll find it Alright well you pass my rush more I gotta I gotta I gotta I'm gonna I'm gonna you with it. Well, it could be a topic conversation, or we can make it a Rushmore, because there's one thing that was under additional info I do want to touch base on. So I'm going to set it up as Mount Rushmore,

but if you can't do it, then just talk briefly. So books that you've listened to that have been featured on unpaid and underrated Mount Rushmore, and or just are there any, like someone put it in the notes I'm assuming it was you so uh like did you did you you went out of your way to get books that you've heard about or you just happened to have already consumed them and we're like oh they're talking about uh when I'm listening to your podcast a lot of times I'm at my computer so if someone mentions a book or mentions the recipe or whatever a lot of times

I'll look it up and add it to my my search or whatever my They can't think what audible thing is called, but oh yeah, I use good reason on what I wish My wish list or whatever so gotcha That's that's awesome any any book specifically stand out like one book specifically really. Oh, that was a good find. I liked This big Jess's book and I can't remember the name of his last house on Something Street. It was a pretty good book. I like that

That's awesome. Like this the stuff that like like this is amazing to hear like you literally are Literally as deep into us as well. That sounded awkward You're deep you're it you're so deep into us. Yes, you might be from till I come The side of tulips That's awesome. No, this is like- Sorry, your wife's gonna listen to this, my bad. This has been very enjoyable. I've liked that someone gets something from what we do.

Like that is rewarding to hear that you've taken something from our podcast and intermingled it into Joe's life. That's happy stuff. Alright. Alright, one not sure if it was from your podcast or it was just from following waffle big Steve can't get his name. Steve. Yeah. Prometheus and I really enjoyed that. Cool.

So I put a quick into the Lugal machine and it looks like tool and Gary helped me out so I mentioned you lied by peach King Buzzo played on that and they did a song called divorced which King Buzzo played on so that might not have been a tool cover but I knew there was that connection and divorced was the connection I was so wrong again Joey I knew they played that connection and Divorce was the connection I was. So wrong again, Joey. I knew they played together. I just couldn't think of the cover. A Divorce song is really good. All these bands are so incestuous. So you're just not a Mike Patton fan

or just not a Fantomas fan? Not a Fantomas fan. I'm a big Mike Patton. And Fantomas is the one like For me King knocking mr. Bungle is the hard one for me to love Really? Yeah, I have moments where like squeeze me macaroni where I'm just like, this is the best. And then something else will happen.

And I'm like, what the hell am I listening to? For me, it's Mr. Bungle is the hard one for me to to really get behind. Yeah, I can see Fantomas, though, because they're what they're really avant-garde weirdo shit. They are like they have that one album that's like an hour long and it's all one track and there's like the sound of scraping teeth and whispering and it's just like... I've listened to that one a few times and Delirium Gorgias called it. I was just like, how do I get through

this every time? Why do I do this to myself. Anyway, you want to hit him with unpaid? Yeah. Since you, since you explained, uh, least fun, most fun. So while you want to hit the family and friends of big Joe here with, uh, the rules and what the game of unpaid or underrated consist of. Well, this is a hundred percent original game to unpaid underrated. Yes. And, uh And basically unpaid means basically something you don't like or... Is unliked in general.

Yeah, unliked or just... And then underrated means underrated, It's way better than most people think now Yeah, buddy before I'm not gonna do your highlighted one. That's okay You're before you ask him the top half is one the bottom half is another So do your best. Yeah one from each side so we don't just run through dope All right, I'm gonna pull one out if we I don't just run through. Dope. Alright, I'm going to pull one out. I don't think we mentioned this earlier.

I just quickly added it. Unpaid or underrated smoked cheese. Is that something we talked about earlier? I can't recall. Not yet. Alright, so smoked cheese. What are you, what's the unpaid and underrated verdict with druthers? Audible druthers.

What you got? I think it's underrated. with druthers audible druthers what you got I think it's underrated yeah delicious I know kind of like what what makes a cheese smoked I guess is this like something you're is this something you just go to the deli and like say hey I want a there's just like you buy regular cheese and like put it as I don't know what smoked I'd legitimately ignorant to what smoked cheese is so dumb it down for me. Uh, so I, I have smoked cheese. I've done it successfully and I'm sorry.

Is that a town near you? Yep. That's what I figured. All right. Sorry. So by smoking cheese, it's. So you got to smoke it kind of cold. So the time I did it wrong, I didn't put ice underneath of it.

So I just thought melted into the. Yeah, I can see that. OK. Which wasn't still tasted good. I'd still eat the fuck out of that. Jesus, amazing. Yeah, just take a. Whatever, whatever would and start somewhere and kind of. So it's it's the act of smoking it like

in a in some kind of like grill apparatus or something it's not just like you know just go to a deli and buy smoked cheese you can you can okay that's a thing too smoked Gouda is very very popular got you good to know I like it okay so unpaid or underrated rodents Included including squirrels and small other, you know, normal little critters you see around your house or outside that is Let's say Unpaid for sure.

Like a rodent. But yeah, I're like a rodent. But I did have a on a bike ride. I did have a chipmunk jump on my foot, mid pedal, and made a round, a rotation or two before it jumped off. I'm not even afraid of chipmunks and that would terrify me. Yeah, I think I'd pee my, I'd probably pee my pants a little bit. Remember when we talked about how you don't want to be the guy that punches a goose in the face? Do I want to be the guy that punches a goose in

the face? Yeah. Do I want to be the guy that kills the chipmunk for jumping on me? Yeah. Like it would terrify me for that reason and that reason only. Like what do I do to get you off of me without killing you? But also if you hate them so much. It'll save.

This one will save. What's your least favorite rodent? I? Mean probably rats, but my parents Parents are our ferrets rodents or no. I think ferrets are part of the They're part of the weasel family. No, yeah, the weasels No, I don't think so, but I also don't think I would love to come across a ferret in the wild. Like, I feel like. Are ferrets in the wild?

Or are they just fucking pets now? Like, where the fuck's a ferret live? Like, I knew like, I knew a couple of people in high school that had pet ferrets. Yeah, but those are, so the thing about a pet ferret is you have to like, decent them. Because they also, they also reek like skunks like they they have a defense mechanism that makes them smell very bad in the wild.

So like pet ferrets are barely real ferrets at that point. It's like axolotls axolotls almost don't exist in the real world anymore because we've just farmed them to death. Gary, where ferrets from buddy? Let us know. Yeah. Fair. Yeah.

Beer beer Lugal machine here. We'll circle back to that big Gary. Is that exciting? Curious. Um, fair, yeah. Beer, be our loogal machine here. We'll circle back to that, Big Gary. Because I'm actually curious. That is interesting. You know, I also found out that the guinea pigs exist in the real world and their food. And it, like, that was so mind blowing to learn that, like, do you ever look at an animal

and be like, what do you do in the world? Where did you? Like, it's, I don't really, I don't like, I was gonna say food for what? But I really don't want to know or think about getting eaten No people eat them. Oh and And yeah in Peru And Papua New Guinea and places like that like they literally just

Chase them down and eat them because they're just small sources of meat like rabbits for us, right? But like you look at these things and they're so stupid and dependent. You're like, what do you do in the world? Like when you exist outside of us, and I guess ferrets would be that one where you look at it and you're like, how do you, where do you go in the world? Interesting. Interesting. What's your most favorite rodent? your most favorite rodent? I guess I mean, I had to pick one, probably a rabbit. If a rabbit counts,

rabbits, rodent. They gotta be, I don't know. Yeah. They got those stupid rodent teeth. All right. I got bit by one when I was a kid, but they're still better. They're still better than all the rest. All right. Unpaid or underrated. Let's go mom and pop restaurants. Underrated for sure. I put that one in. I put that one in.

I love it. I was like, I have to be the one that asked that for all the shit that I did. I wasn't gonna answer that one, but I was like, I gotta ask it. Awesome. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's nine times out of 10.

It's gonna be better than the chain. Yeah. I won't say 100% of the time, but nine times out of 10 for sure. Yeah, it's a nice to support, you know, a small company. Or is it seven? Our mom and pop restaurants seven out of seven or they nine out of 10? the Talked about it does because the seven out of seven can be a little more deep. I think so by the way Gary who was biking home and doing his best Nate impression Has informed us that the werewolf that was great that wild ferrets are actually North American

And yeah, they actually they hunt prairie dogs small rodents. So they're rodent killers So they should they should be your best friend. You want to change your answer there? Yeah. And a group of ferrets is called a business. That's interesting. That's all good information. Interesting. A business of ferrets. Yeah, we're going from an urban podcast to a nature podcast here. So if you eliminated a ferret, you would be taking care of business? Is that where that term came from?

Yep. That's what the whole song is about. Taking care of business. Someone make a, like, I don't want to see a meme of, like, dead ferrets, but taking care of business would be pretty funny. Yeah. But like, make it not gruesome. Do you want to do another one? We got lots there, man.

Sure. We're also at 10 after 10, so. Unpaid or underrated lifted trucks. 10 after 10 so unpaid or underrated lifted trucks So I would have to say unpaid even if I have a slightly lifted truck Do you have that one lift where like the front is lower than the back? Oh? That's that's something that's how something else to it. No, what's that? Oh, that's uh, I don't know know. There's a whole different terminal named after a state and I couldn't Washington yeah, the Washington truck. I think it might be Jersey, but I could be wrong. It's a East Coast

Thing I believe it's probably called the Florida lift because Florida is not real. It's pretty fucking issues what it is So many hot takes today. Well, I mean, it's it's normal. It's on par. Unpaid or underrated, sanding the sharp edges of furniture. It pains me to say, but underrated. What's the point of sharp edges on furniture? Like, why would you have that? Why would you be like, I really want to hit my shin on this sharp thing all the time.

I'm going to put that right in the living room. It looks. Sometimes it looks better when it's sharp, but it is not better. It's not better. I know that came from my wife, so I have to admit the feat on that one. Unpaid or underrated and you'll have to give me something on this one because I have no clue what I'm about to ask. Sean O'Malley. I mean I think he's at this point he's overrated. He was the UFC champion at...

Yeah I think I vaguely remember that. Yeah, was he a heavyweight? No, like 10 years ago or he was he the Irish guy from now? That's no, that's Conor McGregor. No, there's another one. It was like an American knockoff of Conor McGregor. Did he have curly hair? Oh, I think I remember him. I haven't watched UFC in like 20 years, but.

Yeah, I assume it's still doing okay Well, I would say is probably yeah I'm good I don't remember what I said first, but yeah, he's pretty good, but he's just not I think you said He's you suck and you would kick his ass if you saw him is what I heard But man that is half my weight would mop the floor with me. So I definitely did not say that. Unpaid or underrated rescue dogs.

Underrated for sure. How do you not like a, how do you not like a dog that you get from a pound or a, or whatever. And that, so my first dog as an adult, like my wife and I were dating at the time where she had found a dog Sugar and she wanted to go look at and I had found a dog Biscuit, spelled like Whip Biscuit, that I wanted to go look at. And we went and looked at Sugar and Sugar tried to climb a fence to get away with her,

get away from us, but we brought her home anyway. Then we went and looked at, took a look at Biscuit and Biscuit would go over to my wife and wag his tail and be all lovey lovey and then he come over me and just growl and for some reason i said this is my dog we brought him home and loving he's a great dog for all the years he loves you back yeah of course ah jeez i got maybe two more here Ah, geez, I got maybe two more here. No, no, no, no, no, unpaid or underrated. Who's Robbie Lawler?

He's another UFC fighter. Not so. Okay. So, I mean, I would say he's underrated, but he's a kind of a pioneer. I don't know, one of the early guys, and he was just really fun to watch he Stand up guy or stand up fighter and could just take any punch you could throw at him. Yeah, just One of the most entertaining fighters to watch I guess that's what I would say about that Okay, last one then un Unpaid or underrated, Paula Abdul. That was my first album. So, first album I ever bought, I believe. So I would have to say underrated and I just had a huge crush on her when I was a young teenage boy.

We all did. Yeah. Did you ever see her live? You trashed on her when I was a young teenage boy. We all did. Did you ever see the live? No, it wasn't. Didn't go on that far. My concert era. All right. Well, I think you passed unfaith and underrated and I got through most of them. Well done.

I have a very brief, more of a geography question for someone that lives in the state of Washington And I saw some beach mentioned above so like the state how much of it is like it's all code There's so much coastline But is it like is it usable beach coastline or is it all like fucking rocky cliffs and as I don't hear people say hey Let's go to Washington and go to the beach like is Is that a thing like I don't know. I've I'm, I'm a fan of more of a, like a prettier beach with like, you know, not necessarily your typical, like just huge white sands.

I like, I liked, uh, like Cape Cod area stuff like that. So I'm envisioning if that maybe was what Washington is like just. Well, there is a lot of usable beach. Well, there is a lot of usable beach. That's more, say, the southwest area where I grew up was a usable beach. And then Long Beach was a usable beach, but there's a lot of rocky cliffs kind of up north. North on the peninsula. It's probably similar to Cape Codod I think we're pretty close but it might be a little colder every you know comes in it makes sense

bonus unpaid or underrated Starbucks I'm paid for sure. I don't know. All about the small mom and pops. Yep. Yep. My stupid ass did not just realize Seattle, Washington is in Washington. That's that like North Northwest Not the not the East Coast Washington, I know but like Earlier, I was just like oh, there's a state and then like of course, I know Seattle Washington dummy dummy. I Don't know my American geography

Actually, I probably know more about American geography than you do of Canadian geography Were you a basketball were you a Super Sonic fan growing up? Not really. Okay, so I was going to ask if you were, like, would you consider the Oklahoma City championship they just won, like, a Seattle Sonics victory or not? I would not. Yeah. But I don't think so. Not a big fan of basketball in general general, but all right, that's cool

Do you have anything you want hit us with buddy? What you got some questions for us or anything you wanted to shoot the breeze with as somebody who has listened to every episode Yeah, I butchered that as somebody who has listened to every episode Tried as many of our recipes as you can Tried to listen to or read all the books. Cool. Let's go. I'm looking forward to this.

I'm looking forward to this. The bar is so high. Like, I don't, I mean, is the bar higher than three feet? He might not be able to jump. No, he's going to get us. Let's go. We'll see. No, he's gonna get us That's I will see so Joey asked himself this question

Even after I had written it for myself, so but he didn't answer it all the way so Mike Patton affiliated bands Mount Rush So like you could go. Yep Nathaniel whatever I can'tather, that thing was awesome. Now, did I introduce you to that or did you hear that before that? You introduced me to that. Oh hell yeah. And like I said, do not listen to this with kids in the car.

That song, that song Sex, that's a cover. I don't remember, I don't know what that covers of obviously. And the woman that sings that with him is a French lady who has done nothing else. Like I can't find her in the rest of the world. Probably Fantomas first, after all the talk we had earlier. Yeah. They did an album, their second album was entirely of movie score covers. That'd be cool. That they made metal. They did Rosemary's Baby, which is on regular rotation here.

This is one of my favorite horror movies. And then they did the cover of the ending credits of her singing to the baby. Yeah, they did Twin Peaks. It's probably gonna be Fantomas first, Tomahawk's second for sure. The first Tomahawk album, incredible. The second one was their, they did a rendition of Native American songs. Again, incredible. The third album, kind of poppy. And I couldn't name

a song from it, but still like really do like it. So that's going to be too. Yeah. Love Edge is up there for sure. Like for sure. Love Edge is up there. That's the most, the one I listen to the most. Songs to make love to your old lady by. But he didn't write that one, right? So but you said affiliated. Affiliated, yeah. So then it comes down to, do I get an alien face? Sure.

I took one. Yeah. If I get an alien face. You just don't want to be welcomed by your family, that's why you took the took one. Yeah. If I get an alien face. You still want to be welcomed by your family, right? You took the fifth one. If I get an alien face, I'm probably going to go. Faith no more.

Because. Again, like the original faith, no more lineup. Incredible. But then they did that song or that album in like 2020 or 2019 or something Yeah, yeah, yeah that one cuz that song like one of the songs randomly came up on my Apple playlist Which was dog eat dog and it's so good and they get the motherfucker on the phone that songs pointless and hilarious and so good.

And Alien Face is probably... Do I get to choose the Crank album? Sure. Yeah, then that's going on there. Because that's so fun. It's one of the most stupid, fun action movies, crank too high voltage. And if you know Mike Patton, when you're watching the movie, I didn't know he was the score,

but I heard those particular sounds he uses. He has like these clicks and whistles that he uses in all of his songs on Tomahawk. And I was going, why is this so familiar? The whole time, the whole time I'm watching the movie. and I've always said like I went into that movie thinking this was gonna be stupid Okay Jeff Chalios died. He fell out of a helicopter. Hello helicopter

You can't do a second movie and then the moment he just wakes up and shoves the shotgun up that dude's butt and you're like, oh That's what this movie is This is stupid on purpose and then you hear the mic patent sounds. I was going to I know that I know that noise I know that noise and then I clued in to realize yeah, also Maynard James Keenan from tool is in that movie Yeah, he's the the dog trainer with the electric collar. Alright. So you haven't seen the movie? I think so, but it's been a long time.

Yeah, so Maynard is in that movie. Right? So it's just it's all those connections, but at the same time, yeah, so I'm going to put that one on there. I kind of want to put Delirium Cordia, not Delirium Cordia, Mondo Canne, the album that he did, the one jazz album, where he has like the whole orchestra, and he's singing the old Italian songs. I kind of want to put that on there. There you go.

So that would be it. I once had a friend describe Mike Patton as not the best at everything, but the not the best at everything, but the, no, not the best at anything, but top five at everything. Well, pretty accurate, I think. Yep. But I get the motherfucker on the phone came, I came on my playlist. Yep.

I couldn't remember where it was from. Yeah, that was that, that was that album. I didn't look at it and I've been trying to find it. So thank you. They don't listen to that album very often. My Mike Patton knowledge is oddly specific. Yeah, it's like one time the story is like he was at a show and he was up in the rafters watching the show and he pissed in his shoe and dumped

it on the band for some reason Because he thought they were terrible like apparently he's a psychotic weirdo. That's a little salty. Yeah, he's a chaotic weirdo I won't say psychotic. That's not nice. He's a chaotic weirdo who just likes to cause problems But he's also dumb talented so as long as he's not getting me to do anything for him. That's good. So then I got another music question for you, Joey. Take Maryville Maynard's band. So Perfect Circle, Tool or I can't think of the third one. Pussifer. I'm going to marry Pussifer all day, every day. a tool or I can't think of a third one. Pussifer. Pussifer. I'm going to marry Pussifer all day, every day.

All right. Easily one of the best concerts I've been to. I think I've told the story on here before how like we went there. They were out of tickets. They were going to set us up in the rafters. And by the time we went to the ATM, his boots. Yep. We went to the ATM and came back and they were like, psych. We opened up some like J Rose. So I was like five rows from the front for dumb cheap.

Cause like a bunch of people had canceled and it was. Every show that puts the four does is a different show. And this one in particular, they were doing two nights. It was every show that Puss in the Boots does is a different show. And this one in particular, they were doing two nights. The first night was their airliner show, which is based on the show notes of their first album, V is for Vagina, where everything was like, you opened it up and it was like the safety briefing from an airline. So we're in the, we're in the lobby waiting for the show to start and

Kareena round and the drummer from Primus whose name is escaping me. He was playing for them at the time. So my Alexander. Yes. They're walking around handing out peanuts and we had no clue who they were. They were just wearing these airliner outfits, like flight attendants, and they were just like, Here's some pussies for peanuts. Enjoy your show. Blah, blah, blah. And I was like, Oh, thank you.

And then they walk on stage and I was like, You're telling me I just took peanuts from Tim Alexander? And I had no clue that it was him. Um, then the next night was the country. They did the entire album again, but country style. So we couldn't make that show, which I regret because that country album that they do, like they, they remixed every song into a country song. The next time I saw them, it was like this entire thing where like he wheeled out an Airstream and it was just like this artistic show. The third time I saw them there was a wrestling ring on stage and in between songs there was a wrestling match. Like every

Pussycat Show I have been to has been different. So obviously marry them. I'm gonna fuck Tool because that's how I got involved in them. Love their music. It's what got me into singing. It's what got me into heavy. It's what got me into everything. But I've seen Tool over 14 times. I lost count at 14. And 10 of those shows have been the same show.

Because at this point, they're a nostalgic new metal band. Yeah, pretty much. And even Maynard's bored of it. When I saw him at his book signing, right, this guy, they were doing questions in the crowd. And he's like, so like Maynard, how are you ever going to like recreate the greatness of tool and blah, blah, blah, blah. And Maynard's answer was. And then somebody in the crowd yelled, you should listen to Pussifer. And like, that's the correct response.

Like, that's how he's going to like, this is the better renewed version of Maynard's artistic talents, which means I have to kill a perfect circle. renewed version of Maynard's Artistic talents Which means I have to kill a perfect circle Which I don't want to I love that band But like the last album was kind of I Don't love how political they got Yeah, whether I agree with their politics or not. I just, if I want politics, I'll listen to Rage Against the Machine. Right? If I want politics, I'll listen to System of a Down.

And the music wasn't as good as it could have been. I love how bass heavy they are, maybe that last Puss for album isn't Exactly where I know I'm sorry perfect circle album would probably put them in the kill Did you know Maynard was actually supposed to sing for rage against machine? Yep, I didn't know what yep. He tried out for them. They went with Zack, which was obviously the better choice It was a better choice for them. Yeah. Yeah Like I think it's supposed for coming out with something. July 8th, July 8th. Big announcement. Can't wait. I did not go to Santa.

I've seen Primus twice. I've seen a perfect circle three or four times. I just don't really need to again. Like, I'm so old, I don't want to go to concerts. I'm going to two concerts next week. I'm going to see Weird Al and Amigo the Devil and it's back to back and I'm booking a hotel and I'm staying in and like, but I'm going to these venues where I just don't need

to be around the crowd. I don't want to do it. And I especially don't want to pay $200 to see a band I've seen four or five times that you'll never see me at a tool show again. Ever. I probably still go to school, but I kind of feel the same way about concerts. Yeah, I'd probably see Pussiver again, because it's a different show but the last tool show was $250 for seats not even not even GA and I'm watching it the whole time going like I've seen this I've seen this ten times why am I here yeah like it

good takes thank you so Keith, what you got, buddy? Buck Mary Kill perfectly filled out spreadsheet. Oh, man. A killer Facebook marketplace deal or a delicious chicken parm. We kill chicken parm. We kill chicken parm. We kill chicken parm for you. So it's then it's, I think I'd have to marry a marketplace, a killer marketplace deal, because that'd be the reoccurring theoretically one.

So that'd be good for the gym and or finances in general so then at F the spreadsheet the perfectly filled out spreadsheet yeah I think that's that's the that's the smart financial decision but doesn't doesn't the marketplace deal lead to a perfectly filled out spreadsheet if you're smart. They are simp-symp-symp-symp-sympotic-o. Symbiotic? Is symbiotic not a thing? Oh it is.

Symbiotic or simp-sympotic, I don't know. We're not big English over here. Yeah, I think I'd have to go with that. Like, Chicken Farm's okay, but I think the crew has pretty much ruined everything for me. You fucks Take the joy out of everything that a man enjoys that's not true. We still love that lifts So This is this one might be hawk but oh good. Okay, Do it live. Thanks. Thanks a third Orville

Ropec or Beyonce's country album Is this for Keith? Yes Do you even know who overall pack is no? I think I've listened to it like one Hank the third song when I was in high school and wasn't my cup of tea I think I've listened to it like one Hank the third song when I was in high school and wasn't my cup of tea Yeah, I didn't actually have that written down, but I kind of you're good. No, I'll do it. I'll do it We're gonna kill Beyonce's country album. Well, yeah, that's a given That that's not necessarily a given

I'm gonna marry Hank three because his first two country albums Were three so his first three country albums were incredible His thrice his thrice Um, it'll be funnier when this comes in and then his metal albums with ass jack Couldn't even name a song. Nope. Nope. Couldn't even name a song. And I know he can do it because he sang on that one.

He was on Rebel Meets Rebel. He did that song with Devil Driver, which was a cover of his song. SAIL! Devil Driver did do sail, yes. I know. Thank you for contributing, Keith. That is my familiarity. It was my question, you fuck. I'm saying Thank you for contributing Keith. That is my familiarity. It was my question you fuck. I'm saying thank you. I know. And uh well fuck Orville Peck and um also couldn't name an Orville

Peck song even though I know of the guy he's from Toronto he's from he's 45 minutes away um but away. Um, but I find his stuff to be a little depressing. Yeah. He's just got, he's got that person music. You might like Orville peg. Um, but he's very, yeah, he's got that deep voice that just makes everything a little sad, right? Like it's not outlaw. It's not, he's not saying about, you know, the fun stuff

at all, which should be right up my alley considering my love of the devil, but he's, yeah. I answered for you, Keith. You're welcome. Teamwork. So, I guess one more question for both of you. Yeah, buddy. So I make us one more question for both of you or anybody is just that I Wanted to hear what is? One thing or some things that you love about where you live or where you're from because I know you're from West, Virginia

Living New York. I Mean, I love the scenery of my hometown of my home state. It's beautiful. It's it's beautiful take for granted You know, it's that hole, you know, you don't know what you have until it's gone kind of thing and like it's so fucking flat I mean the granted there are some elevations and some mountain ranges in New York But it's just nothing close nothing like in my backyard whereas I like grew up on a fucking mountain and like always had beautiful scenery and like I could walk anywhere and just see like miles and miles of like just green and hills and shit it seemed like so I definitely miss that and I'm gonna get it I've Been where I've been driving to and commuting to it's a little more of a secluded area

Or you know if I'm like driving for like an hour of just like all like hills and like small hills But some some wooded scenery. But yeah, nothing's like home for sure. Do you say Appalachian or Appalachian? Appalachian, Appalachian, Appalachian, neither. Is there a third option? Appalachian, Appalachian. I haven't said it.

It's a word I haven't used since I moved up here, honestly. The Appalachian Mount Appalachian. It's not Appalachian, but Appalachian sounds weird too now. But it's definitely not Appalachian. It's not like a door latch. It is when I hear people from the Appalachian Mountains say it. Maybe. I'd have to, I mean I grew up literally there, I just don't, I haven't used that term in many a moon. Appalachian, I in many, many a moon Appalachian.

I say Appalachian, Appalachian, I don't know. I'd have to listen to that on like a YouTube pronunciation and like, which one, which one did I say my whole life? Cause I'm Appalachia. I don't definitely know. I said Appalachia Appalachian app app. Oh God. There's a, it's just, it's right on the tip of my tongue. I had to say it perfectly. And it's just not coming out right now. I wanted to do this when you were talking about Chris, because I'm sure he has a, an opinion on that.

Um, my city is one of the weirdest areas of growth, setback, growth, setback, growth, setback, and I setback, growth, setback. And I think what I do appreciate about people from my city is their determination. But then I left that city and I moved out to the farms area outside of the city. And what I appreciate about up here is being left the fuck alone. And yeah, like I have great neighbors. I love everybody around me, but they also just know when to just like don't and when not to, cause they moved out here for the same reason. Right? Like last week,

my neighbor knocked on my door and he's like, I bought too much milk. You have two kids here, some milk. And that was, yeah, bags actually was. It was two bags of milk. And that was the extent of the conversation. I was, thank you. And he was like, talk to you later. And he just left. And like, that's dope.

Or if the kids are in the backyard and he's out there, because he's also a scout leader, like there's things like that where he's like, no, I got him. Go do something for 10 minutes, right? Like, that's dope. But, no, I got him. Go do something for 10 minutes, right? Like that's dope. But also he doesn't pry. He the other neighbor on the side doesn't pry. And then if I want to go have a beer, I get to go to the Legion in town and you know,

people down there don't like it's that's pretty much what I appreciate about this area. Don't love how fast it's building up. We are in a heavily developing area. Don't love how fast it's building up. We are in a heavily developing area. But where I live specifically, you can't develop. In Canada, it's called white land. So you have brown land, which you can't develop on. You have green land, which is protected, you have Whiteland which is for further development. But you need like specific provincial permission to develop and nobody's going to give it where I am. So for now I'm safe. 10, 15, 20 years I might end up with some suburban McMansions behind me. I might end up with some suburban McMansions behind me. And right, that's when you hold out. It used to be a proper country.

It used to be a proper fucking country. And that's when you you build a giant fence or you sell like at that point. So I would say that's what I like about here. What I don't love the turkey farm. I covered in flies consistently. Yeah, we're pretty close to a farm No, I Just gave away my whole like you could find me at this point

Man, I could just just email me. I'll do you miss address guys Is that cut above the rest That's Chris He not send you that cuz that would be funny Cause I sent him that he hasn't sent me the voice note. No, it was a whole video. Like he recorded us at the bar table for like two minutes or something. Hell yeah. Okay. I'll bother him.

He's a good dude. He was supposed to be on the podcast last night, but he had some emergencies he had to miss. So sad, but we're always thinking about your blood. All right. Uh, Joe, anything in closing before we start doing all the ad-rease and everything, anything about yourself that you don't think we hit on That you want the crew to know

That's my convicted right now no no bone to pick with anybody no Like tanner's listening do you have any give any opinions on any blanks that you wanted to share with him? or anything like that Kind of like them all except for those the original with shorts, but those are gone. These ones are pretty fucking nice Yeah, yeah, I know I'm actually wearing the black You got my lip shorts and oh Never did get to say what I was wearing. Oh yeah, what are you wearing buddy?

It's not actually what my first order was, but it is the next size up. Gotcha, yeah. Yep, we've all been there. Weekend Warrior and the black left shorts. Yeah, I got my black left shorts on too. Updated version of my very first order. Nice. All right. Well, if anyone else wants to do some ordering, go ahead and head over

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Awesome. So we got the Instagram unpaid and underrated podcast website, unpaidinternpodcast.com. Go race for that first comment on YouTube. I'm Keith Hunnicut73 on Instagram. More importantly, go follow my orange gem, the no wine seller. And until then, we will see you next Tuesday. So much easier with a real computer that works. I know. If only somebody had been telling you that for the past 30 weeks. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want to hear I didn't have the money after you spent a thousand dollars on your gym five hundred dollars

on emergency flights I do not want to hear I didn't I had enough computers I bought the computer like a week ago about the computer I've been talking to Nate for like a month about what computer to buy I'm aware but it was on my nerves like it was on my nerves. Like it was affecting our ability to podcast. It was a lot of money. Now we can, I should be able to, the only negative is I don't have iCloud space.

So I'll still have to like, I can record it locally, but then I'll figure out how to get it to me. You record it locally and you drag and drop into the text message side that we have. Okay. And that won't eat my iCloud up or anything? No. I have no iCloud space whatsoever. No.

And also buy iCloud space, don't. Well no, I have fucking, I have enough for my phone, but I don't have, because my phone's like 250 and I have like 200, and to get more than that, I gotta go from paying $3 a month to $10 a month, and there's no point, because my phone, no, it's only that, it's like one percent bigger. Get Apple One. to Steph use Apple

She doesn't have she has like 20 pictures on her entire phone. So Steph use Apple. Yes No, we can I know we can show do you use already? I don't okay. So here's the thing about Apple one It's like 40 bucks a month But you get two terabytes of storage you get get Apple music, you get Apple fitness, you get Apple TV, which includes all the movies they release. You get Apple news and you get Apple arcade. So arcade, great for the kids. Not your problem, but Apple music, stop paying for Spotify, start using Apple music. You can import your playlist. It's easy. Yeah, I do like a playlist. Yeah. You get Apple fitness and every once in a while I love doing yoga with the kids you get free yoga you get free everything like they're not special on that

Oh, I'm not gonna do 40 bucks a month But if that's if there's like a Black Friday special at like 25 for a locked-in year I might jump on that then look into it because like at that rate the two terabytes of storage alone is $13 Yeah, I did see that it was I was oh, yeah, cuz I cuz I cuz it but you shouldn't need it to share it with us Okay, that's all it really cuz what it does is it takes your local storage and moves it into the that's what I do I take it from a local storage and I put it into the text message thoughts that we have nice Anyway So now you now you can go smoke cheese again because you've heard about smoked cheese on your own episode

So it's like this whole like meta thing where it's like you're doing stuff from the podcast or stuff You already did and and and I would say honestly And we didn't get into it while you were talking because I didn't I didn't want to interrupt the flow The fact that you've done that the fact that you have tried that you should be sharing that You don't have to, obviously your comfort level. But for you to put it in there and be like, oh, I tried this recipe from unpaid and underrated last week. I would argue don't put it in our discord, put it in the main discord in the unpaid and underrated chat.

No, that's what I meant. That's what I'm talking about. No, I don't ever do anything on the fucking private one. That's solely for, here's a link. Yeah. But I think that that would be really cool to share because so many people don't and it's really awesome that you do. 100%. Right?

And like you're engaged, you're involved. It shows Tanner. A lot of what I really want to push is showing Tanner some return on his investment in us. And I think that that would do that. So if it happens again and you're like, Oh, I made this, I heard about it on unpaid underrated. I wanted to try it. It's not from my area, but whatever it is, like, I think that would be really cool.

But again, no pressure. You don't have to go, but it would be a good way for you to get involved. And you know, how about that chat? I? Did do that with all the recipes like you know all the Dishes I've made I put them in you. Yeah We just got a I've never looked at the food one hardly That one too because it's usually so I would be doing so so if you throw it in ours I know it's it's self-serving to us because this is this is a relentless

like like we get a lot more shit than we get kudos from you fuckers and the crew so like just an attaboy every now and then is really goes a long way and that's basically like just seeing banter in our discord and knowing that like people are listening it means a lot to us. I love you guys. I mean I love what you guys do and I don't know. We'll make sure Nate puts that in there. Did you really?

How it feedback for us? How have we how how do you think we've improved and what would you like To see different if anything. I Don't like any of the changes work. Okay, and you've improved a lot Like those choice. Yeah, we sucked I was bad I buy was bad at interviewing people and I was extremely nervous for like a month or more several months Probably I will I'll admit a small change I've made and it's been hard, but one of the things I've been trying to do for the past like three to four weeks, I want to

keep going is instead of this combative like relationship I have with Keith, it's actually trying to make him laugh. relationship I have with Keith, it's actually trying to make him laugh. And I think the barn swallows thing was where I realized I could do it. And so instead of like arguing with Keith and like being like a little, like again, argumentative, combative with him, I've been trying to lean into his jokes a little more. And that's just a redirect of my own choice that I do kind of like that everybody appreciates this odd couple where we're like oh yeah but you fucker but like I kind of want to do this like no no I'm out here to try and

make Keith laugh yeah it's a little much as I can now yeah it's not easy because sometimes we both say shit that just like is like what yeah, what? And I think if we can find a healthy balance between the two I want to go more in that direction And Joe like as somebody who has listened since day one would you? Think that's a good idea, or should I keep doing? Yeah Okay Like I know the the odd couple thing has been working Should I keep doing? Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. OK. Like, I know the odd couple thing has been working,

but I do think that maybe leaning a little more into complementing each other might be a little better. I think that would be better. Yeah. Cool. I don't know if you've noticed, Keith, but I have been actively trying. Nice. I keep an eye on that. I don't know if you've noticed Keith, but I have been I have been actively trying Do you go out of your way when I share stuff on Instagram like about that week's guests to like make sure you're following them Or do you kind of wait until you like them before you follow them because I'm just curious like half half of my job in

My eyes, it's not really my job. But like if I don't do it, no one else will is to like grow It's not really my job. But like if I don't do it, no one else will is to like grow The crew essentially is like closeness to each other. Like I don't just want like 600 people that follow Mastinomics I want 600 people to follow each other and like we don't have that right now. Is that for me or Joe? Yeah, I'm sorry. We're grilling you but like we don't usually get we don't usually get we don't usually get people that have been listening since day one No, I I don't how many episodes have you had? 100 and whatever? 112 and something people. Six. There's literally like 98 guests probably or a hundred. I mean there's a hundred people in our discord so we've had a hundred guests. Bareabouts.

Yeah, so I probably follow all hundred of them. That's amazing. Most people. I feel like a lot of people don't. Like I've been putting a lot of this effort into the road to lift people I feel like a lot of people don't like I put I've been born a lot of this effort into the the road to lift hard because I know a lot of people don't follow each Other so like it's just one more way to like nudge these Newer crew or even older crew that just are too lazy to do it because I'm like, why don't you follow this person? Why don't you know this person?