Unpaid And Underrated - 120 : Good Positive Cült

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Buzz (Andrew). They dive right into great topocs like wife hacks, hosting podcasts, The Browns, vending machines, shoulders, and reading. Links Massenomics x ��npaid and Ünderrated Colab (https://www.massenomics.com/shop/unpaid-underrated-tee) Get Your Own Keith Head (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/articles/keith-head) Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast (https://www.instagram.com/unpaid.underrated.podcast/) Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/) On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast) Our Guest On Instagram @kidcharlemange (https://www.instagram.com/kidcharlemange/) Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 (https://www.instagram.com/keithhoneycutt73/) or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar (https://www.instagram.com/thenowhinecellar/) @joey_mleczko (https://www.instagram.com/joey_mleczko/) Special Guest: Big Buzz (Andrew).

big Ron put Joe on my envelope and I like how he wrote Canada in as big letters as he could just to make sure I had to send I sent out so many goddamn letters I kind I kind of got caught up and I sent like six or seven out Monday and then uh big uh shit what's our buddy down in New York City that we had on here last year he was at fuck he's shorter shorter older dude with a beard

he moved out of the city into like a suburb uh jim riley so big jim riley you know jim riley so he he DM me and was like hey i got the sandbag I'm trying to give it to a crew

so it's like a 75 pound sandbag he's like yeah I'll take that so he's shipping me that that's throwing weight yeah uh and then uh so like the tradeoff basically because he didn't want me to pay shipping or anything

so it's like all right i'm going to send you like as many crew stickers of like other people's stickers because I've got like anything that I had triplicates of I sent on a sticker like if I I still wanted to keep all my doubles like if I only had one extra because like I still might like make stickers for the garage or something and like turn those into magnets but anything I had triples of which was a fair amount because a lot of crew like to send the stickers in bulk uh yeah or or have like four or five stickers like I I kind of of I'm of the mindset it's like I don't know maybe I'll do a different sticker in the future but for now it's like I kind of I want that.

recognizable sticker rather than like you know my logo and like 10 different stickers and it's kind of like well who uses this kind of thing but uh anyway so big big jim so yes of the vein of i hope this story's going somewhere i just i felt a lot of envelopes out this week and okay yeah to the point that like you know cause a little friction in the house because i used up like like 11 stamps or something like that and we just bought a book of stamps and she wasn't happy with that have you unleashed the hack of printing your return address labels uh i got I bought a whole roll of them on Amazon. Yeah, because I sent,

you should have saw that on the one I sent you last month. I have not written my return address. And like basically since I did, because I mailed out T-shirts like a year ago maybe, I saw I've sold like 40 T-shirts and I'm not writing. After the first batch, like I refused to ever write my address again. So I got up here in Canada,

what they do is if you donate to a charity, that charity sells your information. And then you just start getting like requests for more charity donations. so I ended up having like an entire page of pre-printed return address labels and then I ran out and then I was like well for 20 bucks I could print my own and Morgan put the silly goose on it

and it says Hong Kong yeah because I got her to design it I ain't doing that shit no more right in my own address what year is it I booked a car service today for Tuesday and the dude unironically said see you next Tuesday

and I immediately started laughing my ass off, and I don't think he understood why. That's really good. Yeah. I do enjoy that. And welcome back to episode 404 of the unpaid and underrated podcast, a podcast by crew for crew. I'm one of your host, Big Keith, joined as always here by Big Joey. Yep. And this week we have special crew guest, Big Buzz.

Do you want to go by Big Buzz? Big Andrew, what do you want to be called by, Bud? Absolutely. Let's go by Big Buzz. Big Buzz. I think that's the easiest one, because that's what you're on most social medias that we're linked up on. Yeah, so Buzz, do you have anything over there you're drinking this week? It's fancy.

Yeah, thanks for having me. And I, in honor of one of the co-host, picked up a clearly Canadian, Oh, very nice. Yes, sir. The wild cherry, which as far as I'm concerned, I'm a big cherry flavor guy. My wife hates the fake cherry flavor that's in most beverages. So that's a side benefit. If I buy something, that's cherry flavor.

I actually get to drink it. That is a life. That is a life slash wife hack for sure. on that one. Morgan does not like fake watermelon, like the Jolly Rancher watermelon, and I'm all for that forever and ever and ever. So I'm just like,

oh, no, I bought all these candies you won't eat on me. Oh, no. Yeah. It takes me back because I remember that the first time I was ever aware of the existence of sparkling waters was the clearly Canadian.

It was sometime in the middle 90s, you know, it was a proper country. back then. We used to be one. And one of my school friends, like, his mom picked us up and had clearly Canadians for us. I was like blown away. I'm like, this taste as good as pop.

But it looks like water. What's going on here? And then when they rebooted it, like, I want to say like a year ago, I was. I was so happy. It was indescribable. Not exactly like I indulge in them a lot because they are awfully expensive. But they're good. I mean,

that's a sparkling water beverage made with water from natural Canadian springs. It's exactly what it says on the bottle. We got a lot of those up here. One time I'm driving with my dad in Newfoundland, Keith, go fix whatever your problem is while I tell this story. Buck crack. and we pull over the side of the road and I'm telling you we're in Newfoundland

and there's just water gushing out and my dad goes hey that's a spring and I'm like sure so I go and like we're drinking out of it like 10 years later I start thinking what if that was like a ditch or like sewage water or something it was the best water I've ever had in my life

just so you know But, like, we had no way, maybe there was a sign. I don't remember. I was 16. But, yeah, looking back on it, I'm just like, that was the best water I've ever tasted. And I'm scared now. Like, we get a lot of those springs. Yeah, I got the squats tea on.

Nice. I guess I'll talk about what I'm drinking. Keith's not here. I'm drinking a Keats, as usual. But I'm drinking out of this cool keats. head. Ooh, it's a good one. Yeah, it's got the summertime

crew on the other side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a double positive there, I'd say. Oh, hell yeah. I'm rocking. It's not as good as the drink spot or light, or chill, sorry, but. I do have a new one this week, uh, courtesy of, well, courtesy of my, of my wife who had, uh, someone in the discord, I remember who it was,

or someone had posted the fruity pebble liquid death. What? I was like, I was like, I like the sound of that. let me try that and then uh well actually i think i just made an off can of comment about it to the wife and she you know took it upon herself to find them on amazon and i don't know if they were still on sale but there was like literally like 12 bucks for a 12 pack or something or like 20 she didn't pay more than a like dollar fifty two dollars a can whatever it was uh we got another day i had one when it was like piss warm and i was like because i was really excited to have it it was fucking

horrendous piss warm i may i have one right now when it's ice cold and it's significantly better it's still not amazing it's not what i want it to be but it's not bad I'm pretty mad. I want to try that. It's like a 7 out of 10 for me, which is, you know, everyone except Matt understands that that's a good rating. But, you know, I think it's pretty good. I'm pretty mad. I don't want to try that.

It's not bad. I do wish that this bottle coosed better because it's just a little. It's a little too rotund to go into a drink spot or chill. That's a tragedy. Rotund is a good word. Yeah. I am more... I went through a phase, like, very early on and lifting when I realized that protein

powders had like these ridiculous flavors and got some fruity pebbles flavored protein. Yeah. Pretty bad, I'd imagine. I can't tell whether I actually liked her. I just like the fact that it was absurd, like that it just existed. Was that, was it ghost? yeah it was of course it was and there was probably chunks of cereal in it yes and i did um i did ghost uh chips a hoy for quite a while yeah i'm on the ghost strawberry shortcake and i hate

it because you just get chunks of they put chunks of gram cracker in it and you're chewing your protein drink it's weird it's so weird if i'm putting in a shake maybe but if i'm just like i'm doing it an actual ice shake but if i'm doing that just in a blender bottle or stirring it up in a cup like that sounds like work um i'm wearing a little fancy shirt tonight in honor of some asshole on youtube you know i you know uh the old dark side of the moon shirt that you know apparently is the uh hated by bigots uh you know all across youtube and uh you know just had to show a little solidarity to the you know to you ruin in power lifting you ruin in power lifting yeah yeah yeah fucking douchebags so you you've you've

that like a PR though with how many copies of a shirt that you got right you got like like the resupply today I did well part of me was just like I went through I think I had like four different shirts in the checkout and I was like I knew that there was only going to be so many two Xs that were there by the time I actually hit submit there was a couple other ones that didn't make the cut I believe but I got this one and then the I never thought I'd buy it because I just it's really not my personality but the silly goose fucking shirt I did I did get that just because for 15 bucks it's hard not to, when I have a chance to buy a masslamic shirt that fits for $15, like, it's hard to say no, even if it's a shirt that, like, I don't love, but maybe it'll grow on me. But yeah, but then it wasn't until after the fact that I remembered or someone had to confer, Tanner confirmed it in the Discord, that it is a comfort color shirt.

So it will fit different. So to me, it will be a completely different shirt. Just, you know, so, yeah, but I had to, honestly, if it wasn't for all that shit on Instagram or sorry, on YouTube yesterday, I don't think I would have been, you know, motivated to buy a duplicate shirt. Uh, you know, it is what it is. And do you think these dummies post this and then read the responses? I don't think he acknowledged any of them unless he just, yeah, there's almost no way, because they're, they're 50% chance there's a bot that's just out here spreading hate, right? Like, there's a 50% chance of that, but it's just like, what are you mad about?

Like, you got to read these and then just be like, oh, I am stupid, right? There has to be that, but at the same time, people that would say something like that probably don't have the extreme quality of self-reflection to acknowledge that they might be the stupid one in this conversation. Instead, he's going to be like, these assholes, what they're talking about? Why do I keep getting notified about a fucking Pink Floyd? I don't understand. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think the internet is the, like, medium for people to, like, quote, unquote, not. get it, right?

My comment I posted on there, sorry to interrupt there. No, but that is a thing I have been thinking about lately is 100% outrage, 0% informed. And like, that's the internet right now. They're just so mad about things they don't know anything about. And they go on there and they record themselves and they're shirtless in the market and they're yelling at Costco chicken. And they're just so stupid. but they're so upset and mad that it brings people in.

And, you know, I've seen firsthand how that affects people. And it, God, it's so, it's so stupid. You know, I won't name any names, but I had a guy the other day that was just like, I'm on the carnivore diet. And I'm like, okay, good for you. And he starts telling me, I'm poisoning myself. And I was like, with what? And he starts telling me all the things that he thinks I eat.

I don't. I don't eat any of the things that you. you think I eat and I just kept going okay like so you're mad at the things you think about me and uh then but he was drinking a beer and then I went he's like you eat too much sugar and first of all I don't eat too much sugar I regulate my sugar like crazy I only have it if I think my blood pressure or blood sugars are dropping and I'm like well what do you think that is and he's like it doesn't count I'm like it fucking counts it's a carb a carb a carb is broken down into a sugar.

It's got alcohol. Alcohol is broken down into what? Sugar. Yeah, and he got so mad. He actually left. He stormed out of the house. I mean, getting mad. I could see that happening if you're a carnivore,

but yeah, the doing sugar and grains, probably not. Anyway. That's enough of that. It is. We've got a lot of topics here. I could be here. I could rip on. I got the chicken bake shirt on.

And I, Ed shared on the, on the Discord a while ago. It was, it was a wonderful day. Just like a couple months ago. Once again, my wife,

Brooke was like, hey, well, I just like got a Costco today and get some stuff and then just get some lunch there? Maybe a chicken bake. I'm falling in love. with you all over again.

I got to do a chicken bake and the slice of cheese pizza, though. Oh, yeah. Or just double slice of choice, the double cheese pizza. I'll knock off one of these subjects while I'm talking about what I'm wearing. I've got my squat shirt on, but again, I just walked in the door and just threw on whatever. But I am also wearing my new silly goose barbell club shirt or shorts. Yes. Sorry.

And I talked about my coozy. A big shout out to Gary, who, by the way, his package came in under the name Brad and the first thing I said is who the fuck is Brad and it took me a second it took me a second to remember that's his real name

that's funny no no it took me I'm surprised he doesn't sign it Gary just to like crew though but he also sent me if you remember his episode we talked extensively about typo negative and he sent me those DVDs oh that's dope sweet

it was too much I was just like Gary this is too much And he's like, no. And so I'm going to keep good care of them so that I can send them back to him. But I get to watch those DVDs that we talked about on our episode. So that was really big of you. Thanks, Gary. That is awesome.

On the vein of Gary. Gary keeps plugging away at that spreadsheet that I kind of, I floated out in the ether, hoping someone would take charge of it because, you know, someone with slightly more time than we have. And he's been running with it hard. He gives me a text update or a DM every couple days, just that he's got 700-some people entered and we kind of got to fine tune that to see if they're all actually crew and there's going to be a lot of research and whatnot. But like it's going to be the end all be all database for people to actually find other crew once it's all finalized and, you know, combed through. So I'm very excited for that.

And selfishly for being the podcast, hopes it's going to be so fucking easy to like be like because right now it's like, all right, who the fuck wants to be on the podcast? And it's like, all right. So in the future too, I can like kind of like, you know, put the buzz in people's. ears in advance, be like, hey, or you know, actually like find these new crew that I might not have any experience with and just, you know, kind of introduce them to you and you and circle back a few months later and be like, oh, you know, have you, have you heard about this? Have you listen to this yet? You know, I'm excited about that. So I appreciate you, Brad slash Gary. Speaking of that, uh, quick breakdown, I noticed that Gary and somebody else thought they had

the same, uh, supporting number. I did see that. Yeah. And that led me to, to want to do a brief explanation that I maybe some people have missed in the main discord that has happened here before, you might join, and within a couple months, some people might leave. So there is a chance that you're supporting membership number that you got on your last card, or if you asked Tanner about it, in any time could change. And I thought it would be fun to ask Tanner about our current standing. and compare them to our former standing. I will say here, Keith, you can do your own here.

But when they sent out the black card, I was 66. That's the original supporting membership card that they sent out like a credit card. Yeah, and that was in like 22 or 23, probably, 22, 23? 2022, yeah, it's on the card. They're right beside me. So if you wonder why I keep cutting in and out on the microphones, because I'm looking up. I guess I'm like, it's right there on the spreadsheet. Yeah, and then in 2024, I was 47.

So I dropped 20, no, 19 spots. Big math over here. Yeah, we're not big math over here. And as of, I want to say, Tuesday of this week, I'm number 41. So there is a chance that you are not the number you think you are. And the only way to know is to ask Tanner. but we don't want to like we don't want to bother him all the time we should we might want to edit that part out just because that's gonna he's gonna get 90 well he's gonna get 69 fucking DM so and what's my membership number what's my current number yeah no don't do that don't be an asshole come to crew falls and ask him in person maybe if you're gonna be on an episode of unpaid and underrated maybe ask that's that otherwise I don't worry about it otherwise but I just thought it was fun when they were like I thought I was that number and I think I was like but I thought I was that number and I'm like I'm like Yeah, but you both could have been that number at some time.

I think that's fair. Either you have to be in person in bulk or if you're going to be a guest here. It's the only time you should be allowed to get an updated number. I mean, this is news to me, guys. It's 404 on my gold card. If my number right now is something different than that, my whole life's a lie. So, but if I dropped six places on my gold card, right, there's probably a chance you dropped six or more, right?

Because I think the people under 50 probably aren't going to drop that much. I think if you're here, you're here. He definitely dropped six or more because he's a, yeah. If I drop six, you dropped at least six. The higher numbers will drop the highest. Yeah. Keith, we had you at, no, go ahead, buddy. Yep.

So I was, uh, my OG card, the black card. I was a 101 back in 2022, the gold card in 2024. I was down to 74, uh, you know, I'm not, so what's that? That's 26, I think, maybe. Yeah, 26 sounds right of a drop. And then just recently dropped nine more to get down to 65. So I am currently at 65. Not too shabby there.

It's worth noting you were 69 at some point. I never made that. Yeah, it would have been, yeah. I was too early of an adopter to do that. Yep, yep. And then Nate dropped about 50-some points from his black card to his current card and never got us his data on the gold card. so he can blur, blur, blur, and edit that in now if he wants to find it and do a little, you know, crop into the audio, but he probably won't. So just to know that Nate dropped a couple.

Just to spite Keith, here I am, putting audio in here. I can't find my gold card. But yeah, I think Tanner did tell us lifetime. I don't know if we want to share. Should we share how many he told us lifetime had bounced? I know what it is. I just don't know if that's something we should share. But it was how many crew have bounced lifetime?

Like, how many crew have exited crew? Oh. Like, he told us that number. So it was over, slightly over 200, I believe, which, but over the course of literally almost four and a half years now, it's got to be four and a half years because there's people that have, yeah. So crew's been a thing for, call it five years and, you know, 200 people have come and went, but, you know, we're still at fucking over 600, isn't it?

Is it over six, seven now? Is it six, seven? It's over six. It's over six. Yeah, which is wild that, you know, that, uh, there's just been that many. So yeah, it's cool. Like, you know, it's not for everybody, but, you know, the ones that are still here, it's definitely for us. And it's for you.

If you're listening to this, it's for you. And we got some grease on Nate, why his number is so high. Yeah, we'll let him come on and talk about that on Nate. I'm not sharing that. That's an asking some person question. It was pretty good. My God, the Greek, I'm not going to talk. I'm not going to say what it is, but I don't know anybody that tuned in for the Greece of the massonomics podcast they recorded last night or two nights ago, maybe.

It was Monday, whatever the fuck it was. It was a few days ago. That was, like, the greased grease I think we've ever, that I've ever got because it's, it was about someone that I have an extensive, like, have followed him for, for like 10 years and to just be, kind of get a little insight on that. I was like, oh, this is awesome. This is such good grease. And I'm not, you know, Tanner wants us to talk that up and just just kind of build up the, the luster for it. But like, it really was good grease. It wasn't, it wasn't just one of those like, oh, I'm going to hear a story I already heard before kind of thing.

I was like, this is fucking awesome. Like, I love hearing new shit that's, you know, inner circle stuff. I was like, that was very cool. So the 40 of us, I got to listen to that was very cool. And don't tell anyone over text or DM who it was or what it was about. That's got to be maybe an in-person thing or you just got to, you know, never know. I still think you should tell me. Oh, yeah, if you weren't there, well, well, next time I see you in person, you know.

Don't. Got to keep those rules. Don't threaten me with a good time. That might be sooner than you think. Let's do it up, buddy. um i got i got two on there and then i think we can jump into massnomics content sure uh just want to point out at um so obsidian um does their thor ammonia right that they sell through thor right half thor bjarson whatever his bjohnson probably how you say that yeah um and that brand full stoker was like oh you're just going to rip off our logo now

because thor uses stoker strength right and it's funny because travis was like i literally bought this font and just typed out the word and i think there's a bigger issue there with using that type of stuff as you're branding and i know a lot of us in the crew have been using AI to brand our stickers and create our gym logos and things like that. You know, I'm not going to take sides either way. I think if you know me, you know which side I'm going to take. But it's just weird that you could literally have a generic font that you can buy off of the internet.

Call that your logo and then try and get mad that somebody else used those lettering. I think that that's a weird concept to make. And yeah. so that's been going on and full circuit is going right after Travis in this weird like fight of like you stole our branding and it's one thing to be like you know tango charlie literally stole massonomic shirt like they they literally stole a patented or not patented a custom design but if imagine if massonomics was just like we're going to use times new roman and type out the word lift and then somebody else was like well we did that first like that's kind of what this is like so I've been watching that go down today it's been really fun to watch and this other one here

just a weird thing sometimes you're on the internet and you're just scrolling and you're like what is this shit there was a dude on there saying that guys who go to the gym cannot put the palm of their hand on their shoulder

interesting so I've been trying like this like this Oh, fuck. Like, yeah, didn't get the fingertips. I can't. Like, it's physically not possible.

I can do like my front del. Yeah, of course you can do that. But like, you can't, you can't. And it hurts. You have to have a really short forearm, I guess, or a long four. No, it would be a really short four. It'd be a really long, like. So I was doing the pre-show, because I sometimes sit and like, well, that doesn't count.

So I was doing the pre-show notes and I started asking people around me, can you do this and some of them could do it right like they and like i can even get like my fingers on it but i can't get my palm down that's a good stretch for like low bar squatting though it's just like dry oh you know you're getting close you're getting close but it's all fingers it's not can't place the palm of your hand on the shoulder of the same arm and i don't normally fall for this internet shit but i was just like i can do that it is a real shame by the way that podcasts are audio-only medium. Just watching us all look like 80s right now.

I might actually, I haven't pulled a video clip in months. This one might be worth pulling the video clip of us. Like assholes trying to touch our shoulders. And I remember distinctly, before I started lifting, my brother's always been a lifter. My brother Greg, shout out. He's not going to listen, but anyway. And we used to make fun of him because he couldn't link his hands behind his back. All right.

So we'd all be sitting there going, oh, we can do it. You can't do it, loser. And I can't anymore either, because my back is too big. I used to be able to lock my fingers like this behind my back. And like suddenly he was just like, I don't care, I don't need to. And then like now that I'm a lifter, I'm just like, I don't care, I don't need to. But like, you know, it's, it's just funny how you could be as strong as hell and you could be as mobile as hell. But your body just changes in a way where you can't do like things that you think would be normal at some point in your life.

But anyway, yeah, so go ahead out to the crew, film your videos of you trying to touch your shoulders. Tag us. Yeah, tag on Payton and I'll share it for sure. Yeah, we'll see what we can do with that. That would actually be really funny. And also, if you can do it, it's not a judgment. You just need to do more bicep work. Nope, David Hunter says you can't do it.

Yep. You just, I'm going to ask my wife after and then when Orrin's up in the morning, I'll ask him. All right. So I did a little, uh, was at the strongman gym last Saturday. And I did my first natural stone pick and carry. I think I might have I might have shouldered like a really, really, or I might have like, but it was like a 50, it was a very, very light rock. So this past weekend was the first time I did like an actual large, like man size rock.

So I think I worked up to a 200 pound natural stone and carried it like 50 feet a couple times. And it was it fun. It was interesting. It was, I was lucky that it was Hussifelt-ish kind of shaped rock. Like it wasn't, it wasn't super jagged or anything. it had a nice little shape to it, but, uh, yeah. Didn't drop it on your head.

No, just, yeah, I'm not, who am I big tron? Um, like, just the learning experience of like, it's not like a sandbag. I can't just like dig my fingers under it because it's fucking, it's asphalt and fucking rock. So I happen to like, flip the rock over a couple times to find what's the most advantageous to actually like get a lift off the ground. And then, uh, you know, you want to be aggressive with it, obviously. But then like, when I did pop it up on my chest, I was a little too aggressive and it

fucking whack me right in the goddamn chin. So that hurt a little bit. Um, so it was just like, it wasn't a sandbag, uh, obviously, it wouldn't, but it was, it was fun. I don't know that I would go to my way to get a natural stone for the house. Like, if there was one that just fell in my yard, I'll be like, oh, I have one now. Oh, you will now. Trust me. I mean, I do, I do care. It's been, like, the, the cheapest. It's got to be like, the right size and be next door and free. Yeah, you're a bit too particular for that. And I think one of the joys of natural stones is just you see it rock and you go, bet I could lift that. And you

go and try. And if you fail, you fail. And you don't hate yourself because natural stones are so different. Like, it's not a barbell. It's not perfectly attuned. It's not anything. And you just like, I bet I can lift that. So I think maybe you'll get there one day. But I think now you finally experience the joy I have when you see a good rock that you go. I bet I could do that. Because that was like my Saturday's there. Usually just like an auxiliary just, it's not, it's an off book day. So I don't want to do too much because I'm going against my, you know, it's not my program training typically. It's just hanging. out by the boys. So when like two of the, one of the guys and one of the girls were out doing

natural stones. And Chris and I had kind of got there and didn't really have a solid plan. I was like, well, you want to go to stones with him? He's like, fuck yeah. So I just did that briefly. And it was a fun day. We got a ton of massonomic content to get into. So who is this, uh, you guys see all that the, the, Tommy Gaines, buddy. I never heard him in my life. I followed him for a second and was like, nope, not for me. Unfollow. Sorry. So I don't follow him. I don't do it. I don't follow him. I don't follow him. I don't know. Two in your face. Just to, I don't know. But it's great.

It was perfect massonomics material. I hope it bumped their numbers and I hope they got some followers out of it. He seemed cool, but I don't know, man. Like, I don't need that in my feed. I'm too old for that shit. He's just pounding beers and driving across the country and, you know, shopping at the quick, yeah, eating. Blocks of cheese instead of protein. Yeah.

Interesting, fella. Yeah, gravity is a choice. Yeah, he cracks me up. I ran across him in my feed I feel like a couple of years ago and it's offbeat what's really crazy to me is he can cook pretty darn well

like some of some of his content where he's just doing crazy stuff but also cooking a meal a lot of times the dishes are fairly heinous but they're not like easy to cook it's like this is a lot more effort than I would expect, like, a single dude. I mean, that was more than I was doing when I was in this situation.

So, super, you know, super impressed kudos. And it was a fun video. Yeah, it was cool. Oh, Tanner, I only did $3.85. When? Tanner just basically, like, it was cool how it worked out, like him telling the story of, like, you know, the dude was in, was in Aberdeen or he was in South Dakota. He got tagging a bunch of stuff or was in North Dakota or whatever. and then like they DMed a little bit back and forth and he was like, yeah, I'm like an hour away.

I'll come back tomorrow and, you know, they just, you know, Tanner's left work and went and I was going to say did Tanner leave to do that? That's great. I'm pretty sure, yeah. And then the whole like, the fact that Google fucking, the fact that Tanner hasn't figured out a way to get Google to have the right goddamn address for the gym yet, it's. There's no address for the gym. Well, people keep fucking going to the old address that's like six years old. And that was part of the story that he told. I might have been on the pre-show.

I can't remember. but uh maybe it was on the little podcast but regardless um he was like a blog regardless regardless unregardless i say ear i don't think un is unregardless so irregardless and regardless are both words unregardless is not so i choose that one okay because i was like that can't be a word like i'm not big english over here but that's way the fucking wrong but yeah no so there was that they did the youtube tour they dropped so much shit today there was a 45 minute video i watched that it was really good um all the nude stuff like it's nude stuff yeah that's what i thought i heard too you said nude i'm like now i'm not going to watch that that's funny big english is hard uh new stuff the cool thing

was it's like i don't know like we just saw that gym like a month ago so it was kind of like all the same stuff i saw it's like it was really cool that they did update it and it makes good for good content it's smart to i mean people are going to watch the tour videos and if it's that different every six months and honestly just for like the historical art the archive aspect of it for tanner so i say in like 30 years none of this exists potentially and tanner can still go back and look like up this is what my gym looked like in 2020 and this was it looked like in 2025 and he'll like have these like videos that he can watch back and like see what he actually essentially single-handedly built as the gym itself as far as the equipment i think as a home gym nerd i find that really cool you kind of like

a documentation of your gym progress good good primary source material for future historians about how people got strong, stayed strong, and used their strength. Exactly. When they go back and look in time and they go there were cults and then there was this weird, good

positive cult. That'll be good. That'll be good to go and look at. And then the last thing before we get into rate in the episode was the drop itself. Anybody pick up any of that 50% off stuff or the new grip tool? Yes. I

The defeat. Yeah. So at first, I just got the sculte because I'm like, I don't really, I don't do any grip training. And it's already been an expensive week. I actually picked up a Ohio power bar off of marketplace two days ago, maybe. So I've already spent some money this week. But then I realized, wait a minute, I got a gift card for my birthday. I can use that bad boy.

So, and also, I was a little concerned I was going to be on the wrong side of history. Yeah, you don't want to be in the wrong side of history. You can't. You can't. Yeah, so I also ordered, so I got like some grade A pony pads heading over to Cincinnati, Ohio. and I guess I guess I got no choice but to start grip training

I mean it's a test of overall strength to be able to hold those horse stallments true yeah mental strength also not just physical you gotta fight the smell but yeah I was a little

bummed either I got looking through the sales stuff too late or whatnot But I didn't find anything, like, close enough to my size or even on some of them was looking like we have any extra smalls left, you know, maybe for the kids, you know, like five years to wear, but didn't, didn't get any of those. Yeah, unpaid and underrated shirts. There's still lots of sizes of those. Oh, yeah, yeah. You don't own a, we've got to end this.

If you don't own one yet, we've got to end this call, but where's there's the end, where's the end to call? How do I kick this guy? How do I literally kick this guy out? Ah, no. Let's see. I picked up a couple shirts and then I was on the fence about the grip tool, but I'll use it at Tommy. I'll use it at Tanner's here next couple months from now and, you know, I don't know, see if they restock it at that point. And I don't know.

I knew I was booking. So I booked my crew of falls trip today and it was hard to justify a bigger massonomics order when I already dropped. $700, basically. Yeah, here's $700 towards visiting you. Can I also give you another $200? Yep. No, I get it. But it's actually going to be somewhat, I got, I got, um, rope, I got, not roped in.

I got brought into a, uh, an Airbnb, a crew Airbnb on the, those always turn out good on the, well, I was, I, I, this is not a Matt Sunling fucking sponsored trip where he like gyps everybody and puts him on fucking the floor, essentially, why he has a king size bed to himself. No, there's four separate rooms with four human beds for four human adults and that's what's in the room right now. So we got that down to a reasonable price per person for a couple of nights. So that saves me a lot of money because I was debating on coming in Thursday just because it was going to be a couple hundred dollars cheaper. But with saving literally, I'm saving $500 on the hotel basically. Well, because the hotel was going to, well, saving $300 in the hotel, basically, now that I'd do the math. But either way, so it worked out.

I'm excited. Got all that booked up tonight. That's why I was literally just got on the, I turned my computer on at like 825 because I was like between, I had a long, day at work. I came home and actually worked out and then played it on my phone for an hour trying to get all the flights and shit figured out. And I kept on going back and forth was, do I go on Thursday? Do I go out Friday? I ended up shifting my Friday flight to a different one. They gave me a little bit more of a layover, but it was

like another $100, but it gave me, instead of a 30 minute layover in Chicago, it said, like an hour and 10 minute layover. Yeah, you're going to miss a 30 minute over every time. Yeah, but that's why I was like, I can't, I can't do it. And even the Thursday night would have been a 30 minute layover too. So I'm like, well, what the fuck? Like, I'm screwed no matter what I do basically. So I think I got the lesser of all the evils and it's just more expensive, but the hotel, they saved the day coming in with the Airbnb because that offset the extensive cost of the flight. Yeah, we don't, we don't all have Gary and Matthias at the gate stalling a plane. Singing the song, real quick.

Singing in my last name. Yeah, I guess is it. All right. So like with Airbnb sleeping arrangements. top tip I was on a bachelor party years ago and you know

we had a pretty decent size Airbnb but not quite enough room for everyone one of the guys took the couch cushions and put them actually like inside the closet which kept because everyone's tried to sleep on couch

cushions and it starts off good and you wake up and you're on the floor and the cushions have moved on you you put them in a small space like that they don't they actually can't get away from you you also thought that it was pretty cozy it was kind of like having blackout curtains right you just slide the door shut you a little bit more privacy that way too like if you actually like can have some kind of a door that shuts that's my biggest thing it's like it it could have been free but if I had to share a room with someone I'm not doing it I'm sorry like like it

is just I don't know I'm good I have to do that at work I'm not doing that on play time but yeah very excited it'll be black great trip um try getting last week's episode oh wow we're going along yeah uh buzz in 90 seconds or less what did you think of last week's episode all right barbell tier list this is uh this is scratching me where i itch you know i i like to try to get strong maybe a new barbell is what i need to finally get strong right i mean i just picked one up this week maybe it's the key um in general i agreed with pretty much all of their listings. I laughed out loud when the spider bar came up. That was that was excellent. I wound up looking through the list. I've got an S tier bar

two A tiers and four B tiers. So real real pyramid shape distribution at my my home gym. honorable mention, too, to the 50 pounds of chicken discourse, just like the mass production of chicken, that it's so absurd that I love that this exists somewhere on the plains of South Dakota, just industrial amount of chicken production. So overall, okay, I guess I have to rate the episode. I would say I've got actually three ratings No

0 of 5 spider bars Because spider bars are bad 5 of 50 of 50 pounds of frozen chicken There you go And 5 of 5 We drank out of hoses We turned out just fine

I I'll go next Because you led me into it I laughed out loud And like a ninny, like a monster when they did that part. And we turned out fine, except for all those people that died. Lots of us died, but like, we're fine. And like, that's the, that is the thing right now is it's like, everybody's too soft right now.

But I like how they were like, what did Tommy say? We didn't have phones that gave us information and kept us safe. Like, it really tunes into that. What if the real we used to be a proper country is that things are actually better now. And so I really, I was dying here in that. I even told Morgan about it. We drank out of hoses and driving drunk was barely illegal. And we turned out just fine, except for the people that died. And also, did you turn out just fine? Because there's a lot of really angry old people out there that are just mad at nothing. Just mad at the world. I did think that was really fun. Regarding the

the tier ratings. I disagree with the axle bar rating. I actually would have put an axle bar at S because it's the last bar I bought and I wish I'd had it the whole time. I love my axle bar. I think I have fun playing with it. It's a different movement.

Like barbells are pretty strict with what you can do with them except for some reason with this axle bar. I just love playing with it in different ways. And so I would have put that in S. Soundbite. And so I think I disagreed with that. The open trap bar with the stands on it,

I don't use mine a lot, to be honest. And it's because, as I said in the Discord, I think it's a squat movement. I don't think it's a deadlift movement. And also, I hate mine a bit. And I thought I was going to get more flack for this. Mine have spinny handles. Ooh.

And you can't do anything with those, right? Your grip just gives up on spinning handles. So when I use mine, I have to use straps. Otherwise, like, it's half the grip strength because it just moves. Your wrists can't stabilize. But then, thanks Big Katie from No Parking Zone, I learned that you can search her with the trap bar.

Yeah. On the real I posted, I called, it whatever this is and I still don't know what it is. I think she's like open trap bar searchers deadlift like whatever. It's easier to like write it down like verbatim kind of or well like fundamentally what are you doing and that's what the exercise is called. Yeah because like honestly there's no real but I was like I saw her do it and I was like I've never thought of that. So I started doing it and I was like it was like that meme with a kind of Dracula stabbing marshmallows. I was just like oh I fucking love this

so I think if you're training strong man having that trap bar there for that reason again you pick it up and you carry it it's like a it is really fun you could even try and yoke it but I think it's too it's not wide enough but like I think I would have placed the trap bar a bit higher if you're doing a strong man thing

because you can do really weird unconventional movements with it if it's an open trap bar if it's that closed hex bar you're not doing much with it well and even even with the open trap bars right like not not all of those are created equally because all of the ones that are they have the big angles on it right you're not going to be able to do the the searcher or like you know the pseudo camber bar squats with them like you

really need the the rep one or one like that that is really squared off to get some of those extra moves on the vein of trap bars did you see what Mark Rosenberg Posted today He did the log movement With it He was military pressing it So like the same trap bar

That I have So like a rogue trap bar With the high handles He was military trap bar He was sorry He was military pressing it On the high handles So like way up in the air

He fucking throws it up And then puts his arms down Real quick And has the whole fucking thing Fall over him But he cuts it out You could tell it fucking Like it whacked him

But he like he cut it out I hope he posts a second reel Where he actually eat shit on it Because there's no way that ended well. I was like, you stupid motherfucker. But it was actually,

that was one of the few things I saw on Instagram today. I was like, oh, that's interesting and caught my eye. I saw that at lunch and audibly laughed. Like, but it was also kind of like a laugh of horror.

Yeah, I know. I was just terrified. You got a rating there, Joey. Yeah, five out of five easy crow bars. There you go.

There you go. I got some notes here. What did I say? Yeah, the spider bar talk was hysterical because it literally ended with like, this bar is fucking garbage. Use code mass 10 to save it. Delete FTS and my friend Dave Tate.

I'm like, you just shit all over his favorite bar in the world. And then you said, go use your code. I just thought that was funny. But also, like, I think Dave knows that it's a very one-dimensional bar that like seven people in all of America use. The fact that, like, when Mary's doing the meal prep for it, he does everything he can to be out of the house, not to piss her off and bugger or be a nuisance. And he'll take the kids and go wash her car and stuff, which is great. and then um when i made the meme about how he described what he uses for a lunchbox at work i assumed it was like one of the nice like kind of beefy like you pay two dollars and get to this bag and it'll

last couple years and like that's what he was using when he sent the picture of what he actually uses for his fucking lunch bag it's just the straight up just plastic fucking bag that you get at grocery stores that he just puts his meal in every day and just throws it all but i guess i don't know because he he he must eat it out so he takes it all in a fucking zip-lock bag, so he doesn't take any Tupperware. So that makes sense that he doesn't bring anything. He must come back hands-free then, so that's actually kind of smart. But what's he do with his rice?

Is he just take a bunch of rice and just eat out of the rice, like a big container all week? I'm actually curious what he does that now. He kind of made it seem like he doesn't bring any dishes home because he says he just throws the bag away every day. So does he just walk out with a small Tupperware container of the rice that's left over? I don't know what he does. But anyway, great episode. I think I probably, the strong man in me,

disagree with the log being a C but it's hard to say that because like if it's a general just this is for general people like general people don't need a log unless you're competing in strong man and when I like get good at the lift kind of thing so other than me maybe moving that up uh initially I did have a lot of gripes with some of their original scores when when they had the bow bar in C I was like you motherfuckers but moving that up to be kind of like you know I was like all right you smartened up there because I would take a duffalo bar over like 80% of the bars they talked about. But all in all, good episode, you know,

got to support the boys. Go ahead and give it a five out of five Walmart plastic bags. Yeah. And that will lead us into, yeah, I think we covered everything we need to cover. So do you have an ad read for us there, Big Buzz? I certainly do. When I thought about Masonomics and, you know,

how much this means to me, I decided that I would come up with a poem. But it's an acrostics. So it doesn't rhyme or anything, but it does spell out massonomics. Nice. And apologies if someone else has done this before, but they've probably not done these particular words. M is for macro factor, which is used by those who don't need it.

A is for Aberdeen, the real one, which is in S, South Dakota. S is for squats, the overhead press of the lower body. E is for episodes, filling up my phone every Monday. N is for noon ball, dangerous to your knees. And ankles. Yes. O is for overhead press, the squat of the upper body. M is for monthly drops, but drain my wallet.

I is for intermediates for life. C is for crew, lovers of curd, and not CrossFit talk. X. And S is for staying strong. So if you like all of those things, you got to listen to Massanomics podcast. That was awesome. Well done. One thing I'll hit on briefly in the video today, it's not often.

I hear something new from one of the boys, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone or Tanner specifically refer to Aberdeen as the Dean. Is that what he called it? The Dean. And I'm like, what the fuck you're talking about? You've never said that once in your life. No. I swear God, I've never heard that. been talking about Aberdeen for fucking five years

I've never heard Aberdeen called the Dean the Dean like I think he's just starting that himself and just wants to see if it like catches fire because I swear to God no one's ever said the Dean in the Massanomics Zeitgeist is that what we're called? Yeah I've heard

Aber Dabber yeah but never the Dean the Dean yeah and I also reminds me of community the Dean Dean Dean Dean and I never I feel like he came up with the bus also because Columbus, well, I've never heard a Columbus called The Bus either, but I don't know if that's

That one I could see being more realistic And maybe the people say that, but I also think he Just wanted to, I don't know, but the Dean, I don't think is, I don't know, or he just had been sitting on it for 10 years. Now I'm only gonna, I'm only, I'm gonna go and make some memes The Dean about the Dean from, from community with all of his crazy outfits.

All right, well, people do call Columbus C-Bus every now and then, which is kind of interesting. It's like Toronto being called T.DOT. Everybody that's not in Toronto hates it. So maybe. Well, they should. I mean, it's not that great of a nickname. No.

It gets like a Toronto, okay, three syllables. You're shortening it to two? But also, nobody in Canada says Toronto. Right? Oh, they count. Toronto. Yeah I like it

People from Toronto I'm only saying it that way For people that aren't Canadian There's different ways Toronto Toronto But Toronto is like The main one Toronto That's good

I'm gonna file that one In my brain for later So when you're there and you say Oh hey I'm in Toronto People will be like Dude gets it Exactly They won't be like

Hey look at this vessel because of the reason could be just because of the way I pronounced her out they'll they'll say that for other reasons yeah it's like um so you know we have a province called Newfoundland Newfys right but it's Newfoundland when you look at it out right and when I traveled there second time I brought this up this episode interesting right I said Newfoundland and they says oh boy we can tell you from the mainland when you see that so you should probably just say Newfoundland and I was just like noted and I've only

it's Newfoundland it's not Newfoundland but I say everything else wrong Indianapolis in Indian I got some slight I got some slight vindication in discord someone was like I don't remember getting shit for it last week but when I said Credo

everyone said that's the wrong fucking word or something and then someone Googled it and was like oh no I think he is right and I was like fuck yeah but now come on like there's okay if I was to you right now that I am feeling shirty. Without Googling it, I am feeling shirty. What does that mean? Yep. Nobody knows, though. Nope. It means that I'm feeling irritable and short. Just because a word exists doesn't mean it's common parlance. It's fine.

Just because the word, as you say, just because the word, credo, not creatures. Sorry, it would be credo because it's CREDO exists in the world. It doesn't mean we say it. I said it and it made sense and fuck all of you. All right, let's kick these Licky Lou's off and see if we can get Buzz on the phone. And I'm not sure who's been talking to us this whole time, but let's get this guest on the horn because we're, fuck, we're an hour in. And we haven't talked to our guest yet. Big Buzz, is that you, buddy?

Oh, yeah. Hey, guys. Thanks for having me on. Hey, pleasure. Welcome to Unpaid and Unrated Podcast. A podcarus by crew, for crew, and, you know, relentlessly and constantly mocked by crew. Let's just get into it, buddy. What brought you to massonomics?

Well, it's interesting because I think that I probably saw some memes on Instagram or something like that. It's hard to place, like, when I became aware of massanomics. I've been crew for a year. it was probably almost a year before I joined where I have at least like seen some of the memes or contents probably I remember pretty early on seeing you know wine cellar and and all of that so a lot of crew adjacent things but it just popped up on Instagram I really I liked all of the content and thought the merch was cool. But like for a while, you know, at that point, I wasn't actually like training strength or anything, right?

I was doing hypertrophy and just kind of normal general lifting stuff. And, you know, like, I don't know. I'm not. I'm definitely not cross. I know. But, yeah. Don't ask me about internal or external rotation But yeah, for a while

I'm like, oh, I don't know if I could be crooks Like, I'm not getting strong or staying strong But yeah, luckily my hesitants all changed Back April of last year went to it was actually I went to home gym con

that's too right and yep 24 yes yeah and met you

Keith and a bunch of other people and Tommy and Tanner I'm like my gosh these guys are awesome

I was right before you joined the crew then you're saying I joined like as I was walking out to the car I like sat down and like punch did

good good good um you know uh meeting all all sorts of uh people like big kurt um you know talk talk to to him of the the curt locker he lives like probably half hour away from you know we have like four carts now so we have to kind of like we have to do we do have to be more specific on curts now because there's i can name three off the top of my head without even deep dive in like the discord just that everyone was just so cool.

It was just so overwhelmingly pleasant. I'm like, man, I got to be a part of this. And then I also like, like, okay, I'm going to start doing low reps and doing strength stuff. I love that that correlated. I think you're the first person probably. I mean, I think of people that have like, you know, gotten, I don't know, that's definitely the first one that like an existing lifter was like, I'm going to follow

massonomics. No, I'm going to start doing more strength training, like more, more, more, more, more, more Barbell specific, like low intent, you know, low, low, low volume, high, high weight. Like, that's actually really, really funny. Yeah, suddenly, I want to get strong, stay strong, and use my story. That's a good origin story.

I like that. Buzz, who are you on Instagram, Discord, anywhere when anyone wants to find just so they know who we're chatting with? All right. So, yeah, on Instagram, that's probably where I'm most active. if I'm at Kid Charlemagne, but at the end of it, it's kind of

misspelled, so you know, Charlemagne would be a G-N-E ends like that, and I originally, this was like years ago, I typoed it when I was signing up for an account, and I just haven't changed it.

I'd recommend that's a big buzz at some point, just to make everything easier for you. yeah i'm pretty sure if you type in big buzz you do pop up though like because it's you have you have your actual tagged handle and then there's like your username or whatever and it's you know pretty sure i typed in big buzz and you popped up yeah yeah that instagram's where you can can find me and then on discord i show as big buzz nice yeah good deal um where you're from where you live all right so uh i am from ohio i don't believe oh i don't believe oh Ohio is the Midwest.

Yeah, so I grew up on the east. So it's the east? Where I grew up is definitely culturally more east. So I grew up on Lake Erie, a very small town right before you get in the Pennsylvania. That whole strip of... Very close to Erie, then, specifically. Yes. I went to high school in the area. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm very familiar with Erie. I've spent a lot of time there.

I love Erie. It's a great town and just, you know, with the peninsula and everything, just unbelievably beautiful. Big, big supporter of the inland seas, the Great Lakes, a fantastic place. It's sad to have that talk with Morgan the other day, too. We were talking about that, that my city has a bay. And people were just like, it can't be a bay. It's freshwater, right? And she, like, had a full on argument with a stranger on the internet being like, no, go look at the size of these things. These are not lakes like you're used to wherever you're from.

Yes, inland seas. Thank you for that reference. Somebody's a listener. Somebody's listened to the past episodes and you can tell. I've had a lot of great lake talk. So, yeah, that's good stuff. But yeah, great, great place to grow up. I do think it's more culturally that East was originally the Connecticut,

at Western Reserve, as far as when all of that was settled in the olden days. A lot of the small towns are built around a village green type type thing. So, yeah, I think it's much more, that region of it, at least, is a lot more eastern than Midwest. And I live in Cincinnati right now, which is a great, great town. Really, really enjoy it down here. And just like, I tease all of my neighbors that, you know, I decided to have like a more relaxed life and move to the south.

Because it's always like 10 degrees warmer here than it is back home. the weather is so much more mild and it feels not deep south but it feels like you're on kind of the doorstep of the south so yeah ohio's not the midwiles that's my my final answer that's a hot take that's a hot take nice I think it's pretty cold pretty cold myself I think the hotter take is who fucking cares well we were talking earlier people have have strong opinions on yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah what's the hall of fame status where we yeah what you got yes okay so i'm gonna get got six right now it's it's gonna be seven with uh the publishing of uh tonight's episode

very good yeah yep i i'm um hoping that uh Maybe next year, maybe not next year. I'm hoping at some point, though, to come out for a lift, hard, live easy. Do it? Competing, like, check off that whole thing. The past two years, I've watched the live stream, and the first year, I'm like, oh, this is pretty cool. And I typically lift on Saturdays. I have a home gym.

It's a certified training facility. that was one of the questions yeah yeah and um like oh this was kind of it was kind of cool to watch that as i was lifting and then just this past year after i'd been in the crew a year and gotten to know so many people like god this is really cool to yeah because to see my buddies get that's on the promo hits you like you probably like have dms at least 20 people that was out there competing and stuff so like that's pretty cool like as a uh as a voyeur of that would be Pretty cool. So, yeah, big, thank Big Minnie and his partner there, putting on all that effort to make that live stream amazing.

So you guys rock. Yeah. And speaking of certified, what's the gym name? Okay. The gym name is the bullet gym. And it's very funny because, like, it's in a lot of ways like the anti-perfect Will Sweeties, right? Because, number one, I'm nowhere near that strong. But, like, I love how Bryce explained how, like, everyone's got these names there, super serious, you know, like a death dungeon or something like that.

And he's like, I wanted something goofy. So, like, perfect little sweeties. The great thing is I didn't name the gym. I made the mistake of asking my five-year-old daughter, like what gym she thought. What, what, because the kids spend a lot of time in the gym, me. And I have no clue where she came up with the bullet gym. I don't think that she didn't even think she'd ever heard the word bullet before, right? And she just like flux it out of thin air. And at that point, I'm like, you know what? That was on me. I gave you the power to name

this place. And now it's that. Yep. I've made my bed. I am going to lie in. Kids come up with the best names. My buddy had a cat named purple for years. Because they asked a four-year-old, what should we name it? And is that purple? And so, of course,

it was black. It was a gray cat. She was a bitch of a cat, too. But, like, yeah, kids come up with the best names. I wish I thought of that, but my kids were too young at the time. Yeah. I was, when that came out, jumped on it and, yeah, first, first printing or whatever you want to say. Oh, yeah, the first one of the certifies, yeah, yeah, the early adopter, you know, without factory in Hall of Fame status, like the earlier you are, the higher you get featured, or no, that's actually, that's a whole different segment of the, that's a whole different, I'm getting the Hall of Fame thing and the fucking certified training facility is all mixed up.

Yeah. They did revamp the website from what they were showing us. I think they talked about that. So that's kind of cool. They made it a little more obvious of where the map is. Yep. Still not acknowledging the first rounder. So that's,

that's, hopefully he actually, he was talking about, like, getting in there, giving, like, badges per profile of,

like, if you're, you know, uh, crew or not in which hall of fame you are, rather than just being the icon, it actually be like a badge, like in the actual,

like, profile of it, which would be cool. Or possibly maybe in the, the running list. Either way, I think both will be kind of cool to help people kind of know who's what and what level they are into it. Because a lot of people just have the certified training facility and don't really follow Massonomics. It seems like.

I smell fire. I'll be back in a second. Okay. Well, Buzz, what, did she, we know your supporting membership number. All right. So, you know, you had the pleasure of using Nate's new little website there and sending that out to all your buddies. and I saw you even, I got your pictures uploaded and your songs uploaded and all that. So, you know, that's a lot easier for you guys to do.

But it's still kind of awkward to be like, hey, fill this out for me. So how did, when you had to request people to do this, how did you explain that and what it was for and all that? Yeah, that is borderline impossible. I, yes, how did I ask? Like, not particularly easily. Um, okay, like, my, my wife, uh, and it's like, Brooke and that should have been easy. Like, literally, my brother and dad, home gymcon. So, yeah. And, uh, yeah, like, so my family kind of, I don't think that they necessarily get what massonomics is, but they understand what it is.

You know, there, there's a little, uh, little difference there. As some of my other friends, yeah, I just, like, said, I'm going to be recording a podcast. You know, if you have the time, could you fill out this questionnaire? Just like barely even explained it at all. Yeah, it might be easier for some people for sure. Yeah. But yeah, I was trying like crazy to figure out like what's a decent way to explain it. And I can't like, it's kind of like a cult, but it's a good one.

The funny thing is like, I feel like somebody was on recently and they basically like, the people that were filling it out thought they were just going to be on Masonomics and they just kind of ran, they just didn't really correct them because it was just easier than to explain, like, it's this other subgenre of massanomics. It's just like, yeah, yeah, my buddies in Massonomics, they're going to have me on a podcast and then just like, leave it at that. You see, they make the podcast, right?

We make the podcast about the podcast. Yeah, yeah. About the supporters. I still feel like we are about the crew, not necessarily. They're like a tenth of our episode, maybe. maybe probably less than maybe like 5% is actually talking about them specifically so but it's good stuff um relatively new game here we got it's called least fun

most fun buzz are you familiar with this game I am all right would you like to explain the rules do you want me to yeah you know I will be given a general topic and I will have to come up with the least fun and the most fun thing about it I have my druthers to elaborate if I want to Is that pretty much the high points? That works for me.

I'd love it. Let's do it. Big buzz. Lease fun, most fun. Hosting a podcast yourself. Ah, yes. Yes. Okay, so, myself.

Feel free to do the backstory. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. So, myself and two of my friends started a podcast. At this point, I want to say it was back in, I think it was back in 2020. We started a podcast called Whiskey and Watches, which was a podcast about, mostly actually about mechanical watches and a little bit about the drinks. And that's another thing that's pretty like, how do you explain this to people that aren't already into it? But there is a whole world out there, and I think it's probably more of a niche than lifting, although maybe not, that really likes talking about different watches, buying them, like, different watch movements and all of that.

uh so we uh over the years uh put out 200 episodes um yeah it which um that's wild it's how long were the episodes on average so it was funny because the original concept was like some like kind of quick podcast that you could listen to on your your way to work and i mean they pretty much I think we maybe made two or three like that. And then they all kind of were hour, hour and a half. It was fun. That's a lot of work. Especially coordinating because there was multiple people on it too,

which is wild to, you know, doing that weekly for a few years. That takes a lot. Yeah. And we had on, we had a good mixture of having on guests from different watch companies. Oh, damn. from, you know, other people kind of, I guess you could say content creators, if you wanted, they even call it that, but, you know.

Better watch what you say. Ah, to get it there. Proud of that one. But, and we even had, we had a couple of episodes where we went into the whiskey pretty big. We had one where we visited the distillery. And that was excellent. And then we had a couple with one of the master distillers, or blenders, excuse me, over at Chivas Brothers, Sandy Heslop, who's a big fan of mechanical watch, is just a wonderful, wonderful guy.

So it was a lot of fun. So I would say that the most fun part about that is. is, is the guests and the friends that you kind of, you know, developed. Mm-hmm. Make along the way? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Legitimately.

It's a funny quote, but it legit is a real thing. Oh, yeah. And it's, yeah, it's a quote for a reason. It describes a very real, very real thing that happens. And the, the least fun is, is definitely the scheduling. So one of my co-hosts, Spence, he was kind of the same stage of life as me. You know, both have, you know, several small children. So, like, working around that and work, our other co-host, Spangler, he was younger than us.

I was in veterinary school for a while. So, like, working around all of our schedules. was a real, real hassle. But they're good, good dudes, and we still stay in touch. We got together in person to record the 200th episode. And I don't know, like, we might put some out more. But like at this point, right? I mean, we haven't been consistent with it.

So it's not like there's going to be much of an audience, right? because consistency is really important. Yeah, I personally, like, just on, if it's been like six months to a year without an episode, I typically will unfollow that at my feed. So it's not just like, it's not hurting anything, but I want to be able to just like sort through my all and just like not have a bunch of random like, except almost like I get spiteful. Like this mother, I love this fucking podcast and these motherfuckers quit making it. So fuck them.

Even if they do come back, I'm not going to listen. I unfollowed a couple like that today, actually, I think. so how long has it been since you guys put one out then or when when was this like when did the breakup happen kind of thing yeah so our uh 200th episode was back in february okay so relatively so you were like doing it out you were you were podcasting up until like a year ago not even yeah the what do you do with all your free time now yeah i uh i mean i okay to be fair i am to be not I am not as busy as a dink. It's impossible to be. You've got a kid and a job? I was actually busy. I was legitimately busy today.

Yeah. Two, two kids and a little guy, a little girl. And they take up a lot of time in the best possible way. And, you know, honestly at this point, lifting is the main hobby. so that's actually pretty cool. I used to be into woodworking quite a bit. But I feel like I probably only really have like five to six hours a week of like quote unquote like shit around time. Right.

So like once I started getting really into lifting, I started doing less woodworking. No, it all makes sense to me for sure. That's pretty cool. you get your old standby there joy yeah buddy um it's the hype person question so you're going out for one big lift you're competing doesn't matter what the lift is it's the lift that you say today i'm getting this one who's your height person buzz okay yeah i i think that's that's got to be my son he uh yeah he's uh three and likes likes hanging that out in the gym with me and a lot of times for for work sets in in uh top sets and stuff like

that i will like bark at him and he'll bark back at me just kind of are you talking dmx bark bark like yeah yeah um it uh yeah every now and then like in because i i i film my my lifts so i can go and watch and see if I'm doing anything, like, off. And that one of many great reasons to have your own gym at home, right? Because you don't have to feel weird about filming yourself. But, yeah, every now and then, you hear, you hear him in the background going, light, wait. It's like the proudest moments of my life, you know,

hearing them do that so yeah think it's gotta gotta be Evan all right damn it you said something

oh yeah can you explain buzz we have yes but I'd love to hear it from you yeah yes all right

yeah so so when I was a little guy um probably about my son's age I broke my dad's record player Yeah, so he started calling me Buster. And one of the kids on my T-Ball team, when he tried to call me Buster, sounded a little bit more like Buzzer.

So we just shorten it to Buzz. And it's been Buzz ever since. I love it. Yeah, like back home, you can even tell how long someone has known me, whether they call me Buster or Buzz. There's like a contingent of people that have known me so long. They knew me, like, post-breaking a record player, free T-ball. Still call me Buster, yeah. What's your wife call you?

Yeah, she calls me Buzz. Okay. So, like, no one, are you Andrew at work or are you Buzz at work? Um, Buzz at work. So you don't, unless you're like talking to a bank teller or something, you're not, uh, you're in trouble. Yeah. Yes, exactly. in trouble usually will come the real full name yeah which is a weird thing to worry about as

grown men being in trouble yeah like yeah it's like I run this house but yet somehow when I hear Joseph I'm just like what I do yeah that's a weird thing that you even have to think about um go ahead buddy speaking of work um as little or as much as you want uh sounds like you get kind of an interesting job. So some people might be interested in that, but as little as much as you want to talk about it. Yeah, absolutely. So I am a design engineer.

I have a mechanical engineering degree, and I'm a design engineer for a medical device company. So every day I get to do something related to the design of new medical device products that are used in surgery that are used to help heal sick people. I've been doing this for 12 years now. Before I've gotten to medical device, I was in the defense industry for five years, and that was an excellent experience that did some very neat things there

with essentially like technology demonstration for remote centers. and some other technologies. It was very interesting work. It was very hands-on. We were trying to make kind of one-sies, two-zies of things and prove

if they could work. But getting into MedDevicer, people call it MedTech. That's like the new kind of hip thing right now, and I just kind of don't care for marketing, so I'm going to call it Med Device.

getting into med device has been excellent because number one um it's very useful right like it's this if you can deliver um better outcomes like help a surgeon have some difficult part of his or her surgery go better like you know you made uh you made a difference and um there's also kind of a cool aspect of it's really challenging work and there's also it's challenging because you have to be able to produce say maybe in the

hundreds of thousands a year of a device so there's how do you design a product that does the surgical job and then it's how do you make this design how can you

make it manufacturable right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 10 second 15 second cycle time to be able to meet the demand so and those two um there's two difficulties kind of like play off each other right you you have to if this than that yeah it it's it's it's a lot of fun um it's great great challenging work i'm unfortunate to to work with a lot of really sharp people and um you know getting to make a lot of things invent a lot of things and uh yeah i love it i love how you have the tony store or tony stark evolution you went from defense to meds and i'll help the most people it's essentially the

that, yeah, that's all I can think about when you said you went from defense to yeah, that's, that's what Tony Stark did. Keith, you had a thing you wanted to talk about there. Yeah, um, so I did a little, just the way it was written out here, someone has submitted, uh, Buzz's company gives him like $400 a year for workout equipment or a gym membership. I just know there's way more than $400 worth the, $400 a year. You don't know that. No, no, no, no, I'm literally reading.

No, no, I know, I know, but I'm hoping. You don't know that. I hope it was his wife that wrote it. This has to be brook. That would just be funny. And then he says, knowing that a good deal on plays is a dollar a pound, dot, dot, dot, yeah. They're like, that's just really funny that she called you out on that.

And I. And do drink spotters count? No. No way. It was on the gift. Yeah. So, yeah. Now, fortunately, they bumped it up to $500.

Oh, my gosh. That's legit. I'm fighting for that in my company. any soon, yeah. I don't get shit for mine. It's a very, yeah, it's a very cool benefit. And, okay, so, like, realistically, I feel like a benefit like that, a lot of people are going to buy stuff and, and never use it. But for some portion of your employees that use that, like, they will start using that equipment and, like, make great change.

in their life because of it. Because, like, that's literally what happened to me, right? I, when that benefit rolled out, I got, like, the Bowflex 552 dumbbells, because that's literally the only adjustable dumbbell I knew that existed, great, because, like, my buddy years earlier had had a pair of them. I got that, and I got a very. very like crummy adjustable bench but and um you know that was everything i needed to start my my buddy ian yeah and i bought those things and i had them sitting around for a while

didn't really use them because i didn't have a space to do anything in and i really even know how they get started. And my buddy Ian, who's just a hell of a good dude, he's jacked. He's definitely a strong guy. And I'm like, hey, okay, I've just got, I've got some adjustable dumbbells, and I've got a bench. Like, can you write me a program? Can you tell me, like, how I get started with this? and asked me some questions

and wrote up something that was great and I was able to get started on this journey because of that employee benefit. And, well, there's a vested interest, right, in keeping you healthy. And that makes sense. I'm surprised more companies don't. I know my buddy, Big Steve,

his company did that and he bought a barbell. And they were just like, yep, if you're going to use it, go ahead. And, you know, my HR reached out to me one day because I was when I was going to, I think, to one of the Lift Hard Live Easies, I was just talking in the HR. And she's like, sorry, you do that? And I'm like, yeah. And she's like, can we do that? Like, can we start an employee health program?

And I was like, well, I don't have the time right now, but yes. Because, you know, they pay less in benefits. Yep. If you're proactively healthy, right? So they have a vested interest in that, both financially and economically. If you're a healthy employee, you have less downtime. You have less injuries. You have less everything.

Exactly. You're at work more often that they are paying less in the way of premiums, right? You're more productive. You're more productive because you're in shape and you're happier and definitely, definitely. So we're, go ahead. As I said, we're coming on an hour and a half. There might need to be a second episode. This game we like to play.

Yeah, we definitely should have prepared for having somebody who's been on a podcast before that they would know what they're doing and be able to talk. Yeah, I mean, we'll just have to have. to cut some stuff or you know it is what it is that's the the positive about having someone they can carry on a conversation it's easy conversation but then it's also like every time we bring something up it's 10 minutes until we can go to the next thing because it's just just good banter back and forth we get Jeff doing the three hour the three hour what the damn hell I'll still remember that from your three hour episode after that what the damn hell and I was just like I wasn't

even on that one you can't blame me that was fun that was a lot of fun our episodes of a whiskey and watch has always ran long. Yeah, that's going to happen. That will happen. I don't have to get up early, so I'm good. I got an hour, so let's. Go ahead. Just, yeah, I don't know.

Let's see. I see you're in the Gluck Discord, so I just found it funny that you've gone from a year ago, not knowing, well, to call it 18 months ago, and like not even really knowing much, you know, not really being in the community or anything, to the now you've gone to a call. couple home gym cons you know and you've uh joined crew and you're in multiple discords paying

supporting membership fees to be part of their little click so that's just uh the first i love it the first behind a paywall i i really i think it's it's so great so like okay the internet like is undefeated when it comes to people like being upset about things and like not understanding things. It's it's also undefeated though from like being able to connect people with like these niche interests right because if we didn't have it there's there's a whole bunch um whole bunch about lifting that would have never figured out right never gotten a lot of friends we would have never made and I think it's really cool like the the way that you know we can do like the crew or or uh you know glucks uh patreon thing like be able to support the people that are

doing this this cool stuff um that that makes our lives better like i'm i am a big fan of if if you can do it right supporting people they're doing doing the things that you like um so i just uh it it's it's it's really fun and uh so So, so grateful for it. So besides reading Discord, I hear you like reading the classics. Yes. Yes. And as much as that would be a really good Great Lakes or Mount Rushmore, I do have

like an idea of like, what do you mean the classics? For me, the classics, that varies, right, having the degree I have and all that. So like, what's your favorite? What are you doing right now? Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, the classics is a nice kind of overly broad term. I'm a big fan of kind of the overall Western canon.

So, you know, we've got the foundational works of the Greeks. I got into this like five years ago when I realized I was not nearly as well read as I ought to be. um and uh brook had bought uh some like kind of a set of books of you know classics and then also you know just literature but like you know leather bound set essentially to maybe to read but also it looked pretty cool on our bookshelts right and like found it for a good deal like i i i don't blame her one bit right i will have pulled the trigger on that too uh but uh it has had the alien and the

Odyssey and I read those and I'm like this is so alien and different and

I kind of dig it right so I read those and the Aeneid

and yeah then kind of worked into to some of the stuff in the middle ages

big big fan of Dante's a lot of comedia, right? The Divine Comedy that's just fantastic fantastic epic poem.

Paradise Lost. Another great epic poem. And then so my friend Tom and I, we are both kind of stalled in the early chapters of brothers

Karamazov. We decided back in December that we were going to read that together and then his wife had another baby so we just kind of got out of our like weekly cadence of reading

and then I've read a lot with the kids with my oldest in particular so reading the Lord of the Rings very good so Twilight's not not on the list there maybe the maybe that's in the expanded canon you know I don't want a gatekeep oh I would love to get my kids into Edgar and Poe I was such a fan when I was a kid and uh you know I don't know if you'd call that the classics but I do think it's it belongs somewhere in that conversation oh absolutely I mean the the classics is kind of an amorphous term right but I think

it broadly means things that are really exemplary of the period that they were so I think Paul absolutely I think that absolutely counts definitely from an American standard

at least right like yeah Keith do you have anything or do you want to jump into a game I'll do a game in a second I just want to hear about Waldo first Waldo Waldo

So, all right. So, I will have a new decoration in the home gym. I don't know when this is coming. But there is Waldo. Waldo is a gigantic. And by gigantic, I mean, probably long, maybe five feet from top to bottom. gigantic sailfish that my grandfather caught back in, like, 1961.

Yeah, it's this gigantic taxidermied sailfish. Jesus. And he caught it off of the coast of Hollywood, Florida on a fishing charter when he was down on vacation. And this majestic creature has been on the wall of my... uncle jimmy's house my entire life right like since it was caught because my uncle jimmy got rest of soul lived in the old family homestead on main street this like gorgeous old brick house like 12 plus foot ceilings you know just like the sort of house that you can't really build it right And so Uncle Jim passed last year, and my cousin's been going through getting everything cleaned up, you know, sorted out and ready to sell and all of that.

And, you know what, that's selfish. That can't come out of the family. Like, that's like the deep lore, right? Yeah, this was from the 60s. Um, my, my wife does not exactly like the idea of, uh, of a, uh, a giant taxideree fish, uh, being in their house. Uh, I thought that, uh, I could sell her on putting it in here in the spare bedroom slash office. It's also the problem. The thing's so freaking big. It doesn't fit in a normal size. I was, I just put it in the lugal machine and I just saw what a sailfish is. And I was like, she. Geez, like that dorsal fin alone is probably three feet of the two of the five feet. Yeah. Yeah.

So, so, but yeah, I did realize down in the gym, if I moved stuff around, which I did, I have enough wall space for it. And I was able to get my, my darling wife to reluctantly agree that it would be fine if it was. was in the gym after we split a bottle of wine on our 10th wedding anniversary night. So, yeah, it's a question of when, not of if. It's a hell of a logistical problem, though, because we're talking about four-hour drive to bring it down here. I'm going to have to build a custom crate and, like, strap it to the bed of the pickup truck. it's it's too big for like any other way um you might have to change the name of the gym exactly you know

waldo's uh bullet gym all right um do you want to do fmk or i'll hop into games if we don't hop into games i think we're going to be here all night as much as i've been having fun but i think you get it's a big buzz we got i'm going to hit you with an fmk topic here just because we know we play games. That's how we do it. So I had a lot of different things suggested. So I'm going to run with, you know, we have a little kindred spirit here with being Cleveland Browns fans. So I'm going to do FMK

current-ish Cleveland Browns players in the last like 20 you know, give or take. So let's go Miles Garrett, Nick Chubb and Joe Thomas, FMK. Oh, I know, right?

Garrett, Chubb, Thomas. Three of the best players in the last 30 years for the team. This is impossible. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Oh, okay. This is going to kill me. But I'm going to have to do the kill first.

Yeah. And it's going to be my favorite. amateur paleontologist Miles Garrett. He's an incredible athlete, cool dude, warrior poet. But

of the through, like, this is an impossible question, but I just will have to go with him for the kill. I think I'd do the same. Oh, my goodness. And, okay, so, you know, to hug versus Mary. You know, it's almost like there's not a bad choice here because, like, you got the Ironman himself, Joe Thomas, who like, it's hilarious to see him since he's retired.

Oh, yeah, he's 100 pounds lighter. He just looks just like a tall, skinny dude that's still somewhat jacked. But it's like he's been a 315 pound man since the time. Because he's roughly our age, maybe a little older, but thereabouts. And I think he got drafted like a year before I would have, you know, if I had gone to college. So, yeah, he's not a big dude anymore, not as big of a dude anymore. Yeah, I think maybe I marry Joe Thomas because maybe I can relate to him a little bit. I mean, I was an O-Line player in middle school.

Nice. No one submit. We could have talked about your middle school glory days. No one submit. I'm just a good one to admit. Yeah. And then you're going to hug Chubb. That's that's...

Got to hug Chub, yeah. I think if I had to provide a gun to my head, I probably would have gone that same way. Just because Garrett's been so much drama the last few years, like, if Garrett wasn't dramatic, He is probably a better football player than Chubb. But Chubb was just a workhorse of a good player. And just if he could have stayed healthy another couple of seasons, he would have for sure been a Hall of Fame running back. I don't think he's a Hall of Fame running back.

But I think if he had like three more thousand-yard seasons maybe and just didn't blow out his knee twice, I feel like, you know, and kind of end on such a downward season the last two or two years ago. Well, no, it was last year. But we'll see what maybe whoever. I mean, he's still, I think he's just now, 29 or 30 and he's the Texans for maybe a young on a one year so I kind of hope he can I don't know part of me is like I hope he does nothing and it's just like okay it was good that we didn't try to

bring him back even on like a veteran minimum or something but uh you know for his sake maybe you know he can get a couple more years and be like a you know second team running back or something yeah I feel like if anyone can can come back from X he had that a very similar just heinous injury and Georgia in college and he worked his way back from it and it was like a total stud.

So, you know, if anyone can now granted, you know, you're pushing 30, you have a little bit less bounce back in you. If anyone can do it, it's him and I hope, yeah, I would love to see him see some success. He'll never be the

guy that he was, but you know, time makes fools of us all. um also like the gratuitous squatting absurd amounts with the yeah i will never tire of those videos well it's significantly better than what we see fucking lebron james doing that's for sure i've never been so mad i've never been so mad watching a video what do you but again like i'm also not fucking lebron james like he's a world class athlete i should shut the hell up but i'm watching

that was happening. I'm just like, who's got you doing those and why, my friend, anyway. Yep. Yeah, that was, that was, that was incredibly difficult. Yeah. And there was some, like, there were some, uh, ask about these mythical, you know, or these, uh, you know, historical people. I'm like, I can't pronounce all those names. And I don't want to sound like an asshole. So I'm just going to go with something I can pronounce. Yeah. It, uh, I think it was fine. I was listening. I think it was, maybe it was Robos. I was listening to an old you and you today, and it came up about how, like,

you don't give a shit at all about the Bengals. And I completely agree. But, like, I actually take it one step further because living down here, it's kind of, like, it's actually, it's actually even cooler to not care about them at all

because for some reason, like even though we've not exactly been, good recently. We've had their number for quite a while and I just think that like Joe Burrow having an abysmal record against the frickin' Browns

is hilarious. Good deal. All right. You got a little Mount Rushmore for him there, Joy? I do. I do. Harmitsu. Hormitsu, my friend. Top four. By the way, that was German.

Did I say right? No, it was, okay, once more. Hartmitsu. Hartmitsu. Listen to me. Oh, Hart, yeah. Yeah, okay.

Okay. Top four children's books. Ooh, good one. You've got your aliens face too. Top four children's books. You could actually easily fill those. up with all different books from the Chronicles of Narnia.

Big Narnia fans in this household. I will at least, I will either, well, I guess I have my druthers, don't I? Of course. Okay, well, I'm only going to fill up two of the spots, and I'm going to use both the first and last. book in the Chronicles of

series. Well, that's good if they actually finished it with like a book end and it was actually good because usually your last installment of a series is fluttering downhill. True. True. And like the first by publishing order, so the original, the Lion, the Witch, and the wardrobe and the last battle those are

are excellent, and I found, like, the first time I read all of those was to my daughter. I just, I realized, like, like I had said, you know, about five years ago, like, I really should have, should have read more, you know, for pleasure, and those are perfect, perfect for children. I'm a big fan of those all of those incredible cross-sections books if you remember those from kids from being a kid where they have a book about

boats and trains and different things and it'd be these incredible illustrations of like here's the freaking Titanic but like cut away and you can see like here's the engine room here's the the swimming pool like yeah

those was that a dig at the Titanic that sank in the engine room was a swimming pool like Jesus buzz come on man a lot of people died that day

yeah I mean it's no Edmund Fitzgerald I was going to say the same thing you beat me to it yeah that ship was the pride of the American side

yep and then let's see one last children's book The Hobbit Is that a children's book? I would I would say so A child, a 12 year old, then yeah, probably

Yeah, okay Well, so I've read that to Kath And she's Yeah Sex Yeah I think my dad read that to me when I was Young enough to remember, old enough to forget

You know what I mean? Oh yeah Old enough to remember, young enough to forget. Yeah, that's the way. Well, and it's funny, right? Because the first time I read that was to my dog. Right. And it's like, oh, okay, now I finally get some of the stuff from like the Lord of the Rings movies.

But, yeah, and then we'll read stuff and then we'll reread it. There's some honorable mentions. There's a children's version of The Odyssey that's done really well. They somehow meant, it's old brother or art, though. Well, yes, that's true. That's phenomenal. But Usborne Books makes a children's version. It's like an illustrated Odyssey.

And that's a good one, too. that's that's an honorable mention yeah yeah you know i i look back at my childhood and i started think of the kid the kids books i read and i read one that was about like um some young poor girl that grew up in toronto trana and uh the velveteen rabbit comes to mind yeah and i think that one of the funniest things that's happened i don't think i've shared it here before is my kids were at my in-laws and my little girl comes out and she goes, I found this

and she puts the Velveteen rabbit on the table and she goes, will you read this to me? And every adult went, no. We were all like, no. This hurt us so bad that we cannot do this to you right now. So I think you pick some classics.

that would that would always ring true The Velveteen rabbit That's a tear jerker Oh my god So like you get away easily With where the wild things are Willy Wonka

You know They're all whimsical They're all fun And then you start looking back Of what you read And you're like The Velveteen rabbit Those sad sad stories

Old Yeller Those things that like Fucking old yellow And where the red fern grows Broke me Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But we turned out okay.

Except for those that didn't. Except for those that didn't. Thank you for letting me bring that into a full circle. Should we move into unpaid and underrated? Indeed. Buzz, do you want to explain to your friends and family what we're about to play? Absolutely.

This is a fun game called Unpaid and Underrated, where I get to, I listen to, something, and I have to say whether it is unpaid, which of course is bad, because we all like to be paid, or underrated, which is good.

Indeed, indeed. Well done. Well done. Unpaid or underrated, the Jackals training program. Famously made by, you know, famously used by the Massonomics gym circa eight years ago.

Yes. It is very underrated. That's what I'm running now. It is, it's scratching me where I itch. I like that I get two, uh, two squats, two benches a week. I like that the assistance exercises seem to make sense. Um, yeah, it's, it's, and it's not short like each session. I can't go much faster than an hour and a half.

but it's also doable so yes it's super underrated nice unpaid or underrated pillar four media yeah yeah

unpaid quite unpaid well it depends it depends who you are well otherwise it pays a lot yeah good good point good point and you actually

beat me to that that quip Yeah, I was going to take that pot shot too. I mean, you know, Nick, it could work. Like, you know, that's, they're not my favorite, like, quote unquote, content creators. Obviously, there are a lot of people that they like watching instead, but it's not like I boycott them, right? If they, they've got, you know, something, something interesting, they're doing a refurb. few of. Like, yeah, I'll watch it and the more power to them. But, you know, I like, I like the boys and I like Glock and it. A lot of the crew tube stuff too. I like that a lot better.

That's more my speed. Nice. I dig it. I dig it. Last one for me. Unpaid or underrated. Vending machines. Oh, okay. They are, they are underrated. They're super underrated. except the work of actual business. How do you know about that? That's quite undefat. Yeah, so that was the family business growing up. It was actually started by my grandfather who caught Waldo. So I believe it was started.

Yeah, full circle, full circle. I think it was started in 1969. Nice. That's the party number. But yeah, that was my life growing up. And it was great. My dad, his folks were both dead by the time he was 19 years old. And he was all alone in the world with his father's business.

to run. He grew that thing. We had, I want to say six or seven routes. We had machines in Ohio, PA, Park State. And it was great.

Fending machines are where I learned a lot of how to problem solve and troubleshoot. I learned a lot of kind of a mechanical intuition from fixing them and taking them apart. and all of that good stuff in the summers

I wake up at like 4 in the morning to go in get the trucks loaded up and go fill up the machines every Saturday I was down at the warehouse with dad doing all the the Saturday stuff

maintenance clean a lot of times I was in there after dinner Sunday nights helping them take inventory and, you know, make the Frito L.A. orders and the Pepsi orders for the next week. So, yeah, I have a lot of very fond memory. It was a lot of backbreaking work. I mean, it's a tough as nails business. And, man, I've got a lot of really fond memories. And I'm not like that great of a guy, but I'd be a lot like shittier, if not for all of those.

experiences. Is a sticker dispenser considered a vending machine? I think that's probably the finest form of vending machine because there are many things about that business that are difficult, but having your inventory spoil, that's like the biggest pain in the ass. And then also having people send you 80% of the inventory of what's actually in the machine, I think. maybe not 80, but there's a,

maybe not 80, but there is a handful of Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you use some people of here? That's right. Yeah, that's the finest form of fending. That's awesome. All right, well done. That's all I got for you, brother. All right.

I guess it's my turn. Unpaid or underrated wrist attachments for the cable machine. Oh. Yeah, those rule, actually. Highly recommend. I don't, I'm not. You're just wearing an ankle cuff on your wrist. I'm soaking.

Yeah. I don't know whether, well, I don't know. Okay, so I got mine from Bells of Steel. And I don't know whether those are specifically ankle or wrist cuffs. But back when I did a lot more, like, shoulder work, like lateral raises and stuff, dude, that, that rules. That's, that's really good. you just make a fist or if you have something that you can put in your fist so you still kind of get that muscle drive that you're all like tensed up but it it takes takes a lot of

the silliness out of that movement that you get like with d handles yeah those I mean the cool thing is they're not expensive right so if you don't use them a lot not yet you're not really out and your grip shouldn't limit your back right and it's

a controversial take straps are okay right if you're doing back or shoulders or anything your grip shouldn't limit

the weight that you can load on those so that's why I am a big fan of straps and stuff like that so I'm with you

on that one like I can deadlift more with straps than I can without and people will go you use

straps. I'm like, because it's a deadlift isn't a grip lift. Sorry, man. I can do other things with my grip. It was pretty handle with my double overhand deadlifts today, though, but yes, I do agree for the most part on that. Well, and, you know, I was too lazy to go get him out of the garage if anyone thinks I was trying to, I just didn't know my strap. Both my, both my good pairs of straps were in the garage and my gym bag. And I was like, I'm not going outside to get those. I'm already like up to my working weight. I'm just going to go double overhanded and see how if I can, if I can, keep up with the weight and I was like I can cool yeah again

like yeah some things are limiting some things are not the other day yesterday I was doing a block pulls and I smashed my thumb on my belt on my lever belt because I had it on while I was loading the plates

and then I got mad and then I smashed my elbow on my belt while I was loading the plates and I got so fucking mad I threw my belt across the room and just deadlifted without my belt because at this point I was like I'm so mad at you I hate you and I again like the belt helps the straps help things like that help but like you don't need them but I don't think if if you had to go and say well I can do this

cable attachment more with my straps because I'm working my lats not my or my delts or whatever you're working but my grip is the thing stopping me from doing this well that would be stupid that would be like it's a stupid thing to be like well i refuse to use straps i'm gonna stop doing this weight i think that's just silly uh unpaid or underrated pocket watches pocket watches oh that's that's a that's a tough one yeah the whole podcast about watches and all i was just wondering like what it was like to you guys Yeah, pocket watches is kind of a subset. We were really mostly into wrist watches.

One cool thing that people used to do with pocket watches, like in World War I, is men use pocket watches mostly back then, and like when you're in trenches, that's not super practical to quit out of pocket watch. So they actually welded lugs on them. And made these absurdly large wristwatches, their pocket watches. I am going to say that they are unpaid, though. I did not, I don't have any.

I never really got into them. But there is kind of a part of the community that they're almost kind of similar to, like, the vintage weights people. Subsect of a subsect of a subsect. Yeah. Yeah, but, but I feel like it's, um, even earlier on, because, you know, right now, the vintage weights thing, it's kind of an open secret and you have more people getting into it and more price. Yeah, I heard what it was when I got into it like eight years ago or whatever. Yeah.

So, but not they, they are unpaid. Interesting. I did not expect that answer. When you were talking about pocket watches in the war, I was like, oh, is he going to talk about Vietnam War and Pulp Fiction? Because I don't want to share that story again. Where's he going with this? I held this watch in my ass. Has Tommy seen it?

Pulp Fiction. Of course he has. I would imagine. I hope so. I miss that segment. I wish they'd bring that back. Tanner, bring that back for like in a random episode.

It's been a minute. Okay. I'm just pulling up my next one here. Wasn't that like five already? No, that I only did too. Calm down over there. Are you sure? No.

Maybe. I think you're right. I don't clock watch over here. What am I? Watch guy? I was going to... Anyways, how do I say cock block with clock?

It's such a tongue twister. All right. Unpaid or underrated. Finish these lyrics. Pack it up. Pack it in. Let me begin. Came to win.

That'll be. That's a sin. I won't ever slack up. Punk, you better back up. yeah you picked the wrong one for me I'm sorry okay but I mean that's just an example why did I pick that

I do like I do like to rap every now and then although like I think that that was that was probably Brooke that put that one in it's more of so there's to me is the difference between like being able to do something cold versus like

like being able to like sing along to stuff well like after you've had some beers right and i'm i'm very i'm very much in that camp um yeah it it's it's funny too because like uh i i love uh i like i like a lot of music i don't like all music a country and western just never clicked for me But I like rap. But I do find that, like, I understand kind of why, like, people dig metal now, because that's, like, just metaphysically, like, very well-suited to strength training. To me, I need something like that to get hyped. Even though sometimes, like, I purposefully listen to, like, Genesis or something like that,

to, like, get the energy low, because if I can put. through like in those environments. I really need that it was a pack of eyes. Do do to do to do to do it. Yeah, there was just a bunch in here about how you really like 90s rap, so I thought

I would play that one a bit differently and pick the wrong song. Yeah. I wanted to go with the first part, right? So mix a lot. Big gap back. Yeah, because the baby does got back.

Well, I face with the Oakland booty. All right. I think you passed on paid and underrated. Although, I don't think you rated that one. Oh. Oh, no, I didn't. Yeah, House of Pain, jump around underrated. Hell yeah.

Yeah, because I feel like the zoomers probably don't know about it, and they should. And they don't even know whoever last is. They just don't know what that's. like. Hey, good job. Oh, Jesus. This is going to, this is going to at least two and a half hours.

Oh, look at Keith. He's so sleepy. I got 20 minutes in me. I got 20 minutes in you. Let's go. I think Buzz has got to get up early. Hey.

Yeah. I like purposefully went to bed really early last night. I wish I. Number one, Because I had to lift this morning. But number two, so I'd have some in the tank for this. Well, I think it's your turn.

Time to put it back on us if you have a chance. All right. Okay. Joey. Yep. Help us out here. I do love doing some tourism in your gorgeous country of Canada. Rick and I went to Quebec City for our honeymoon

and I've been to Toronto and like obviously the falls like plenty of times just grown up fairly close any recommendations of places in Canada to visit Oh geez so I've been everywhere if you haven't been to the East Coast

right if you want to go touristy you go to Halifax Halifax is my favorite place in Canada it's right on the ocean it's got so much history you learn what a buccaneer was you learn they have a Titanic Museum Halifax is definitely one of the places to go

northern Ontario for sure northern Ontario upwards around Muscoca I spend as much time as I can up there but you got to go far far northern Ontario

then you got to fight the black flies but once you get up there it's ideally one of the best places BAMF so BANF is in Alberta which kind of which kind of sucks general um but if you can get to like lake louise is gorgeous but it's so it's so touristy

that you can't even get close but if you can get to banf banff is in uh it's in actually in um a federal reservation okay cool so you have to pay to get in you have to tell them when you plan on leaving you have to pay per day and then you get to go into banff and it's just the most gorgeous place i've ever seen all right it's historical it's incredibly gorgeous and then there's a small pocket there's a place in between Ottawa and so you were in Quebec

so you go back and then you go back and then you go right in Ontario and there's Ottawa and there's a place a couple miles called Kingston so Kingston is this weird area where like you would never hear about Kingston Justin Bieber's from Kingston and you would never

hear about it any other way. But my favorite brewery is there. The best cheese cheeses, Hawkins Cheeses are from there. Belleville is there and Belleville is like prime cheese country. And unless you're from the area, you would never know. And I do think that that's a really good place.

Don't visit Toronto. Don't visit even my city, Hamilton. I love this place. But there's not a lot here. You want to stay outside. of the city and then come into the city for tourism you don't want to stay in the city unless you're going to like particular places so I think that would be it that would be

Banff Halifax uh go visit scantz up in new brunswick um I've never been to Vancouver so like I don't really have a ton to say about that um my goal is to go visit Max up in the Callowit I would love to see the tundra I would love to see the tundra I would love to see the really far north of Canada. Ideally, I'm going to live there or die there someday. That's really the goal for me is to go so far away from people that, like, you can't get to your neighbors without holding a rope when it's so dark out. But yeah, I haven't been much up north as much as I want to be.

Yeah, I've had this, like, kind of desire in the... the back of my mind for a long time. Like, I want to see what the Hudson Bay looks like. I just, I want to just get up there big time. So Hudson Bay turns into Georgian Bay, and I used to have a trailer up on Georgian Bay. And it's just incredible. But, like, yeah, you're fighting blackflies, you're fighting tourists, you're fighting all of that kind of thing, right?

So you want to find those places that are not so tourist heavy. Yes. Right? And that's your bath in Kingston. Banff is tourist heavy, sorry. Like, everybody that works in Banff is Australian. Because they come from Australia to do their exchange program. So you're like at the bar at the Fairmont Hotel, right?

And you're trying to order. And they're just like, oh, I might like what you want. And you're just like, yeah, I forgot where I was for a few minutes. Yeah. But yeah, that's the places you want to find. The big cities kind of suck in general. in Canada. They have history.

They have a lot of great stuff. But like, if you're coming here to experience Canada, you don't go to big cities. In my opinion, I'm sure some Canadians are going to listen to me and tell me I'm wrong. But now,

if you want to see Canada, you want to see the boreal. You want to see the things that like made us, what's the word frontiersmen, right? The things that made us Canadians that we had to fight for to become us,

in my opinion. absolutely that's cool thank you yeah it's the the kids get older yeah i just kind of have like the itching for some big road trips we we did plenty of those when i was younger so from where you're located up to moscow canada is gonna suck it's gonna be a big drive but like i've seen wolves deer elk like everything up there but there's so many big rocks Sounds like what you really need is a road trip with the family to the dean. The dean. Yeah, I do need that.

I mean, they can go storybook land. I can take them out to Schwanis. Yep. I never knew. Only if they're open. The other day. And it's like a lot of bars aren't open at 2 o'clock in the afternoon, Tanner. Like maybe it was a weird thing and they usually are.

I don't know. But I was like, most places aren't like a lot of places. I don't know. The other day we were joking and talking. and talking about traveling, and my wife was like, I don't want to go anywhere south in the summer. And I was like, so we can go to Aberdeen? She's like, damn it, no.

But Aberdeen's north of us, honey. We go to Fargo. You want to go to Fargo? She does not. That's funny. Right, next one, what do you got? Yeah, a question for both of you guys. kind of

sets and reps talk yeah let's let's get real serious real controversial any advice so right now I want to want to get into like all of the deadlift

type movements that I do are I use the trap bar I hinge it but yeah it's not like a true deadlift I get that. What you think? So I'm doing the jackals right now.

Should I just like instead of what's in there, just like try to do a linear progression and figure out like where my max is and then go from there. Should I just one day try to figure out where the max is? any advice for trying to try to figure out how to work that then so sorry just

just to clarify you just want to max out your deadlift no I want to figure out what weights I should be training with that for your deadlift or in general for the deadlift yeah okay I'm going to let Keith go first

but I'm sure him and I have very different answers. Um, I mean, I don't know anything about jackals, so I can't really tell you. I don't want to have you do something different, but you could a couple different ways, I don't know, do like a three or four week little linear progression and just kind of see what's there. Um, the same caveat of that is like, I'm a huge proponent of striking when the iron's hot. That doesn't necessarily mean like PR every day. That just means like today I had a really trity, like even though I, you know, it, it went okay with the pulling 405 double over, but like everything else just felt like shit today.

so like I wasn't a day I would have tried to go for a deadlift PR so like you kind of know if you're feeling strong that day don't do something stupid and try to max out on a day you're not feeling strong like especially at least for me like deadlift is the hardest lift for me to like do on a shitty day whereas I can like still squat and bench like you know or whatever like on a shitty day but like deadlift is just hard because the fucking bar just doesn't come off the ground and I'm I'm not a grinder and I just won't grind because I just always get hurt so I don't know this Follow your heart.

And, but, I mean, some type of linear progression for less than a month and then see what's there. But, you know, it depends. I don't know. It sounds like what you really might need is to go use code massonomics on the website and get you some of that Chad, GBT shit. What is that? I don't even know what it's called Chad bot. Juggernaut. Yeah, her too.

Uh, yeah. Juggernaut's a good idea. Jaggernaut's a very good idea. I think I got my strongest ever with Juggernaut. But I am also the, a little bit opposite of Keith. Fucking go. Fucking go. Pick it up.

Pick it up. And if you can't pick it up, don't figure out what that weight was. Lower it. Pick that up. And then keep picking that up until the weight you want gets picked up. Right? For me, Deadlift is the one that does feel good When I don't feel good

Right? Squat and bench Actually bench I can go in hungover I can go in exhausted And I can still bench My regular bench Because it's not heavy, it's shit Squat

I can still go in and squat Even if I don't feel good Because I just like squatting But Deadlift for some reason my secret power is to deadlift weight. So I think my thing would be, if you really want to find out where your deadlift is, try it.

And if you got to strap up, strap up, you got a belt up, belt up, you got to do anything you can. Grinding does suck. Excuse me. I don't grind my deadlift very often. And I'm sure if I did or if I hitched or if I learned

whatever those techniques are, I would up my weight. I've also lost a lot of my deadlift moving into Strong Man. I've gained bench and squat, but have lost deadlift. But when I was powerlifting, yeah.

Like when I first learned a deadlift, I didn't have a program. I didn't know what I was doing. I would literally every two weeks just max out until I couldn't. Right? But then I also got to

almost three times in my body weight by doing that dumb shit was just by checking can I do this can I think I feel good today I'm going to try it nope couldn't do it all right take the 25s off

see what I can do there so yeah I definitely think grip it and rip it is is the deadlift secret especially if you're really trying to figure out where my top is because you don't really know because programming will tell you never to do that programming will tell you to be at 80, 85, 90% until you're ready.

But, like, you don't really know where you're at until you try. But, yeah, deadlift is my specialty, but I'm also a short, fat dude who can just magically deadlift four plates and get away with it. That's a beautiful thing, though. I mean, you know, we've all got our leverages in life. right. And then last question for Keith.

You. You have a lot of a lot of barbells. Power bars and all of that. Do you find that you just mostly use one of them?

And is it orange? Honestly, it's probably not honest. I have a three orange barbells and they're not used a ton. They are, but they're not, I don't know, the rogue Ohio power bar for me, it's 90%

if I'm doing, which I don't, I fucking, I think I've used it like three times in the last year, but it's just like when I'm powerlifting, at least on bench, well, it's hard too, because it's like, I'm a, if I power lift right now, it's USAPL, which is the same bar on all three and they use a 20KG Ohio power bar. So probably for the last three years,

my go-to bar has been an Ohio power bar. prior to that I did USPA and they were using at the time Kabuki so I would I'd use the kabuki deadlift bar I'd use the kabuki power bar it kind of still squawed my Texas squat bar but like um my my home is an Ohio power bar um I prefer it over a Texas power bar I like the texas of the 29 Texas power bar but it's it's more of like it's so new and I've I don't know I just I would take an Ohio power bar over like 99% of the bars I've ever used just because it's it's decent and it's just easy I don't know I just I like it but I'll still use the other ones and I still have the variety I still love the variety but I just

I don't fucking I bench like twice a year now and I'm I'm not going to put a bar on my back for a while as I try to figure out this lump thing and see if it goes away so I don't know and I'm deadlifting with axles half the time so it's like my bar I have like I probably I probably need to take the bar I'll rescue over my bars just to get the fucking dust off of them, honestly. But what would you end up paying for that Ohio Power Bar you picked up today? And what finish was it? I'll tell you it's a good deal or not. 200 as a boneyard stainless.

The Nirling. The Nirling's great. The sleeves are cloudy, essentially. I mean, yeah, that's fine. Also, it's fully stainless. Yeah. Or, I mean, unless it's a chrome. I mean, does the sleeves look like the shaft-ish, other than, like, being rough-looking?

Yeah. Yeah. That's like a $500 bar you got for $200 bucks. It's not bad. You could even... My only thing is, I hate Boneyard incaps. So maybe get, like, some custom fucking bullet incaps from 9-11 fabrications. Yeah.

Or custom, whatever he is. Yeah. I've seen some guys getting those custom caps and like that would be pretty. It all worked out because it was a guy that I've bought from before on Marketplace. Oh, nice. It's the best. Yeah. Yeah, because you get to catch up with them and stuff.

Just cool dude. Or if you're like me, those are the people that like you say, hey, you want to tour my gym and become a powerlifting friend? And like five people that are like in my wheelhouse. Do you want to become friends and sell me things? Oh, circling back to that. I think I must have taken out of the notes earlier or whatever, but I'm still on the road to 69 crew contacts in my phone. I did hit 49 a day with the whole crew Airbnb and getting added to a group chat.

I was like, I think this is Jake. I better check off. Yeah, go fuck yourself. It's not my fault. You don't have friends. Ha. All right. What the fuck was that?

Hold on. Set up professional audio. Don't tell me we didn't record. Oh, no. We're recording. I just yawned and Zoom was just like Are you singing?

And I'm like, no. That's really funny. That's, what if that's a new thing? Did I just sing? Did I yawn in key by accident? So it wouldn't recognize the rapping as as singing, but

That was pretty funny. Are you trying to record an album right now? I feel like your Zoom settings have changed or something because like you haven't got the balloons or anything in a long time. Well, because I don't do the balloon thing. Hold on.

See, I think it's, off. Up there you guys. You're off, bitch. But yeah, that is funny. We've definitely never had that come up. Musical yawns. Yeah, I must have ya, didn't he?

Nailed it. I'm so good at this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You ready for us to bring this in, buddy? Let's do it. All right, so affiliate links. We got obsidian barbell rescue, plate snacks, home gym con, belt fed strength,

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Joey underscore Malesco, M-L-E-C-Z-K-O. All right. We have an Instagram, unpaid and underrated podcast. We've got the website, Unpaid Internpodcast.com. There's a bunch of people fighting for that first race, the race for first comment on the YouTube. Wow, first race. I might have to edit that out because I don't want to be This is not A Ryan over here

Yeah it's not A Ryan over here None of that, none of that That's really funny I am Keith Honeycutt 73 on Instagram More importantly go follow my orange gem than a wine cellar Until then we'll see you next Tuesday So you mentioned Sandy Heskopp earlier Yeah

I know that name really yeah and i shouldn't right like based on who they are so you said that and i googled it going like the fuck do i know that person i feel like i've met sandy heslob really yeah and and yeah that was definitely weird for me because i'm going no that name is way too familiar and i didn't look them up at the time let me let me see who comes up and i google it to see if it's the same person. Oh, I get Thomas Alexander Heslop, FSA, publishing as TA Heslop, a British academic. So I'm getting the wrong person. But I was just like, damn, I think I know that person. So that was wild. Yeah. So there's a footballer of that name. And then there's Sannie, who's their master,

uh, master blunder. Cool dude. Did I swear it all on this episode? I swear it all in this episode. I swear, I don't think it. Was it a lot? Well, I didn't until you didn't, then I did. Yeah, there are a few swears. I, yeah, I don't care about saying the word fuck, but, like, I do think that it's, like, kind of funny, like, you can say hug instead, and it goes, like, motherhugger instead the motherfucker, like. Yeah, I tried to pick up on the vibe you were putting out.

I was like, I don't, if I swore, it wasn't a ton. Oh, yeah. I wish there was a counter. I wish, I wish, I wish we could just, like, yeah. feed it through chat gbt which probably can and just how many times. You easily could. Have I said, I think I might have even done at one point, but it's like, it's only so accurate because

you just. You didn't drop the C word, so you got that going for you. Which is nice. I did in Discord a couple times. I was like, oh, I probably got animated when I referred to that guy when I was talking about the YouTube guy, I got pretty heated because I just really chat my ass. It's such a weird

thing to be so much. Don't use our platform to like spew your hate. Like that's, in our platform is obviously it's I take liberties of saying massonomics is our platform because we are also it's just so weird to be mad at rainbows man it's just such a weird thing I don't even care what side of any political spectrum you land on you see a rainbow when you get mad and you don't even think for a second about it like that to me that's a weird perspective like the the weirdest thing is the like prism thing that's been around I guess a

probably marginally longer than that's been used as a symbol for the other thing and probably longer than that guy's been alive yeah it's like how did you like just accidentally not realize that that's

an iconic pink flag yeah oh yeah the internet's undefeated yeah 100% outraged zero percent informed Hong Kong