Unpaid And Underrated - 127 : Paid in Sunsets (ft. Big Alex [Wes])

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Alex (Wes). They dive right into great topics like going to a Bills game, zip codes, rugby, old cars, and whisky. Links Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab (https://www.massenomics.com/shop/unpaid-underrated-tee) Get Your Own Keith Head (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/articles/keith-head) Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast (https://www.instagram.com/unpaid.underrated.podcast/) Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/) On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast) Our Guest On Instagram @loh_hartman (https://www.instagram.com/loh_hartman/) Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 (https://www.instagram.com/keithhoneycutt73/) or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar (https://www.instagram.com/thenowhinecellar/) @joey_mleczko (https://www.instagram.com/joey_mleczko/) Special Guest: Big Alex (Wes).

The least shocking revelation of this episode, I had a bullet belt. Oh, of course. I almost bought that one of those little sagging beanies. I found that one. Kaelian said this shirt won't work, but I feel like it's, why is it blurring? There's nothing to blur. You love your blur. It's licensed.

Blur, blur, blur. Yeah, it's licensed. How the heck do you, I don't even know how you stop that on an iPad. I don't know. But it's... Hello. It's like... How's it going?

It's got this heart on it. Wrapping up some pre-show stuff, some, some, some inner working... This is the grease. This is my, this is my costume for my friend's birthday party. Yep. But I feel like this is emo adjacent where it's got like a heart. Is he a heart and a rock? A heart and a...

It's not black. Was it a heart in a platypus? We can't... Some little critter with a... Nate just froze. And he froze. And he's gone. Isn't he supposed to be IT?

Yeah, yeah. This is our IT. He's frozen. It's our good guy. Yeah, it needs a new router. And either the work or it won't work, and Nate can cut it out. Yeah. If he's done, I mean, for all I know, he is in, oh, uh, click, you know, greater Cleveland right now, just frozen.

He's still there. Yeah, he's like, just imagining him stuck. He's just talking this whole time. Like, he took it upon himself now to teach me all. The stuff I've been asking him to about Apple for the past three weeks, like, as he's frozen, he's just been talking the entire time. Tom's code froze, so he just... Brubb.

Oh, gawk. Welcome to episode 379 of the unpaid and underrated podcast, a podcast by crew, for a crew, relentlessly mocked by crew, and to be honest, today got a huge compliment from crew, which I needed. Um, so shout out to Big Ron for that. Um, really appreciated that. Uh, I woke up today, uh, kind of unsure of myself and, uh, getting that message, uh, really meant a lot.

So, so thanks Big Ron for that. Uh, same, I think I, uh, I went to bed to the same one or something similar. So yeah, appreciate your Ron as. Yeah, man, honestly, like that, you know, we, we do get mocked a lot. We get made fun of a lot. We're entirely unsure. Where's your, where's you a thin? Because I'm like, are they being funny or are they just pricks?

Because like once, you know, every now and then, but when it's like relentlessly, I'm like, oh, because it really is relentlessly mocked. And sometimes it's like, you mean-spirited fuck. I can't tell if you're being a prick or not, but it's coming across as a prick. I'm here for most of it because like I see it as good-natured ribbing. But every once in a while, it wouldn't hurt to have somebody be like, oh, by the way, you guys are doing great who isn't Tanner. It was very much appreciated, Ron. Yeah. And others that have said similar things.

throughout the years. So I'm here with Big Keith. Oh, I'm Big Joey. I should start with that. That was my intro of my bad. Howdy, howdy. And, uh, big Alex? Alex or Wes? You pick. Okay. No. Go ahead and go with Alex. It's fine. Okay. Because I saw Wes on everything and was so confuzzled. It's, uh, just a little, uh, because of work, I have my Instagram. name as Wes Hartman. My actual name's Alex Westlow.

Just sort of splits it up. That's very good. It's a little harder to find. Yeah. And that way you don't, that way you have two first names, which we all love.

Okay. Well, welcome done paid and underrated. Anybody drinking anything cool? Powering through some disgusting liquid death, but until what's cool. Oh, so sad. I got my

favorite spin drift of lemon. Nice. Nice. Is that super tart? And they've ever had the lemon. I don't think it's that tart. You're a super tart.

Is it like lemonade adjacent thing? I guess it's. No, it's like lemon juice in a sparkly water. I don't know that I would. That would be something I'd like try to picnic if it was just there, but I don't know if I'd like buy a six or that. I don't know. Once you, my opinion, once you go full fruit juice in it, it changes your life and it's all you want to get. That little extra bit of flavor for.

no calories instead of essence yeah everybody here loves their essence and nobody got time for real fruit I'm having the Keith's of course I am I also have another one that my wife shout out to her and you know the the woman that took my old job

her and my wife went out yesterday and went to a winery and Morgan's like hey I brought you some beer and I'm like great and I cracked one and drank it and it's a strong beer? No. Yeah. So my morning was awful. Yeah. It's a little harder when you have to, you know, get up at fucking 5 a.m. and you had a couple of beer. I don't, I will, I will, I will, I'll drink like six beers throughout the year for recording. Like, like the first, the first, I've drank more beer in

the, I drink, I think I drink more beer in the first three months than I have in the last two years, like, as far as when we record this, these podcasts. I, I couldn't fucking be be hung over every goddamn Friday. Like, it was horrible. Yeah. No, it is, definitely bad and uh you know i can drink keiths till the cows come home and be fine um but that one two strong beers just put me right over so uh mad regrets but mad love to my laugh there's your bingo card guys there's your bingo card oh god that was really funny that was yeah matt did sanchise did a good job with that he's here isn't he oh he was he was here yeah he's still here hold on yeah yeah Dirty Sanchez is still here.

But yeah. I'm wearing, actually, I found this, and I can't wait to wear it. It's really matter. We swap, but it is the long sleeve tea with the varsity on it and lift hard, live easy on the back. I don't think anybody's worn this on the podcast yet. I found it. I'm going to wear it tomorrow because it was freezing in that warehouse. And I'm going to be covered in primer because that's what I do.

What about you guys? I got the comfort color deadlifter shirt on this week. So in contrast to the OG deadlifter shirt last week. I got the new silly goose barbell club turned on. I'm so mad. Mine's sitting in Chicago right now because Canada Post is down. I'm just like, it is quite comfortable. And then for an older one, I got the Massonomics joggers on.

Holy shit, I don't even have those. Those are older shit. They might have been around when I was first arrived. but I like I don't wear fat guys don't I don't look good in most sweatpants yeah and oh they're just for house wear yeah and we all know you're not wearing pants right now

I do I do actually I have shorts I have short you could only prove it one way Keith but there's shorts all I see is the background yeah when he when he gets up to go to the bathroom and it's all ass I can't there you saw the squats you saw

the maroon squash you know why it's Blur-blub-blur. Yep, just in honor of Nate. So this week, we had Gluck's YouTube video, the gym tour that hit today. It was a long one. I think it was about 45 minutes. I got a chance to watch it, did anybody else? Who has 45 minutes on a Thursday? I only have, I literally, almost every Thursday YouTube video,

I have to watch either at lunch break or, like, just in the console as I drive back. I watch two minutes. There you go. Yeah, you heard it here. Keith watches TV while he drives, and then complains about other drivers. I don't, I mean, I'm still, my eyes are on the road. I don't, it's more of an audible consumption.

I'm messing with it. Sure. Yeah. I'm going to guess it's right on the dash so you can see it in the bet. Yeah. I mean, I mean, just turn the old phone number and sideways. Yeah, and Nate can cut it up. I do not do that to anyone listening that I work with.

I do not do that. Or in law enforcement. I don't know. Law enforcement that aren't on duty, don't give a fuck about nothing. I've learned that. That's very true. They're just like, no, leave me. Which makes sense because like, I don't give a fuck about anything work related to

when I'm not getting paid for it. Oh, yeah, that's actually really funny. So my new job, have I explained to what I do? More. Something about doors and manufacturing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they manufacture doors and then we ship them out and blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I, yesterday I came home and I haven't been in the gym in like a week, right? because my job is so physical

that like I'm still trying to figure out the difference between going from nothing to gym to working my ass off to gym. And I got home last night. Yeah, and I was just like, I don't care I'm going to bench. Like, no matter what happens, I'm going into the bench. My dad in the basement has a table

that's actually made out of a door. And it's in the middle of, or it's not in the middle, but it's like next to my gym. So he comes down while I'm benching, failing the bench, by the way, because I'm also somehow losing strength at this job. And he comes down, he's like, oh, we're going to move this today. So guess what I did after...

You moved doors. After moving 300 doors. That's really funny. Is I had to move another door. It's kind of like that thing, too. It's like with what I do for a living with all the lighting and stuff I do, like I'm constantly like, see... I guess one of those things I just like, anytime I go into a public place,

I'm always like checking out their lighting just because it's like what I do for a living. So it's like, but now you're, you're going to be like looking at doors in public now. And already, judging them. Like that's for sure what you're going to be doing. I'm sitting in the shed looking and going like, oh, that's a one panel Z style barn door. Yeah, yeah, we have those. I wonder if that's one of ours. I thought that was hilarious.

And I was like, I just want a bench without doors. It was really funny though. Yeah. Anyway, I did not watch the YouTube thing. Oh, it was a good one. Of course it was. It was gluck. liked how it was cool seeing how big

it is like luck I wouldn't say he doesn't he hasn't done multiple home gym tours but like we kind of got to peek behind his his his door literally his uh his the back door the gym to like his little uh separate storage area which is bigger than a lot of people's gyms and it's just his storage area

uh so seeing some cool vintage stuff back there and all his overflow stuff was kind of neat to kind of see behind the curtain uh but yeah I enjoyed it he's a good guy good friend oh what do we got um a little breaking news if you will. So I think it's already an invite

on Discord, but those don't really pop up. I think if you, those invite, do the calendar things on Discord ever actually pop up or is it just a matter of you have to go look for them kind of thing? Because I don't think I really Yeah, but if you saw if you're not, if you're a passive discord or you don't know any of that stuff basically, like you would never see these things, but

the Lyft Hard Livesee 4 register. So basically this is breaking news. Liftard Livesee 4 is occurring in some capacity. And registration will be open on December 4th for Strongman and Powerlifting based on the Discord invite and stuff that Joey and I already know. No, don't put that on me. The amount of stuff, I know.

It's such a burden. And I swear you guys do it on purpose, because you know I'm going to, like, I'm a steel trap. And then suddenly it would be like, oh, yeah, by the way, I'm doing this. And I'm like, mm-hmm. where if you told people you'd be a steel door which would also be work related and couldn't get away with it

already are so yeah there will be and there will be a episode releasing we're not sure when it's recording but it will be releasing a couple days before this that we're going to record with Jake and Abby and go through the lift hard of lazy

I'm well I'm going to assume we're going to go through the events and maybe what went into last year to some extent and what's going to go into this year and we'll see what we can get Jake and Abby to spoil for us and just talk strong man and lift hard live easy for you know an hour or so with them and then next uh initially it was promised to be on 116 but that will come out 12 to i believe now

just because it's going to coincide better with the registration so we're not just uh giving you information a month ahead of time and i'm i am calling it the lift hard live easy for life n w o style like i am doing that i still like foreground but i didn't i never get like no one ever likes that like when I went I said that two or three times in discord and I don't get a fucking reaction and I'm like you motherfuckers react to that so I I said the for life thing and then somebody said it like a week later because again it's an NWO reference and you got the crew wolf pack and all that kind of stuff too and it got a bunch of traction yeah that's what we're going to do what I'm busy for life which I'm not opposed to that um no I don't know

what the crew gift is. I mean, we can talk about it a little bit, but we do not know what it is. Joey's not, there's no way Joey's not going to get spoiled by the time it shows up.

So far, and actually, big shout out to Jenna Lee, who posted the blurry video and said, if your crew, I won't spoil it. More of that.

Yeah. I mean, I don't think there's a way I don't get spoiled because it's, it's gonna, like, I think Paul just got his,

and he's like two hours or three hours away. I'm fucking. fucking 25 hours away. I don't think mine's going to show up until the next like Wednesday, so somebody's going to post it in the Discord and ruin it anyway, which is also fine,

but like the more I can avoid it, the better. But I'm also not going to get it for like another two months. Yep. It was a funny story. I was watching a John Hack video on YouTube the day, and it was in Carol's stream, and like the intro was literally like a drone footage of Carol's stream, and I was just like,

I hate that place. I was like the first, yeah, it's like, Oh, the place does exist. It's not just like this crew lore thing. It's like actually a geography place that exists. It does. You've got your, you've got your Carol Stream and your Elk Grove, and they're just the same place, but they like pretend they're not, and they just send the packages back and forth for two weeks.

Oh, I know. I know all about it. I just imagine there's a black hole right there. And whenever Joey's name shows up, they just stick it in there repeatedly. Oh, anybody on this side of the country at all. Like, Carol Stream, I swear, it's like the worst warehouse ever. They just put stuff down and then they go home for the day. Like, they work an hour of day or something.

That's why they're on strike. Yeah. Yeah. So Bill's game. Hit me up with that. Oh, yeah. I don't remember how long ago Jens set this up within, I don't know, a couple months at the most probably. I don't know, more than a week, less than three months, somewhere in there.

she yeah so who was it it was me stephanie chris the sesnese and then uh jenn and her husband uh met up at the sesnese for a couple hours had lunch then went and tailgated had uh chris grilled us up some burgers there stuffy and i had got a spot pretty close to the stadium that was uh kind of nice and yeah uh sean jane just has been sean is a big so the whole reason is jen's husband is a huge diehard bills fan even though he's from Iowa. So I think I knew the story at one point of how he was a Bill's fan. I think it was the Jim Kelly era. It was just, you know, that would have been when he was a kid, I think,

watching all those Super Bowl losses had to be a kick in the teeth. So, you know, middle of the Midwest out there in Iowa is still a Bill's fan. So I think it was their wedding anniversary and they were going to be in Niagara Falls area and wanted to catch a Bill's game and do some pre-gaming with some New Yorkers in this large state we have here. So I think she had initially set it up with Chris a while ago. and a couple other people just kind of joined in. Yeah, it was just fun. Saw Matt and Jess's gym.

That was really cool. It was funny because, like, Tanner told me we were literally there, like, seven days prior. So eight, well, eight days, I guess. But nonetheless, it was just like, wow, that was just kind of funny. Really nice house. Freaking high ceilings in the basement. Beautiful brand new house that they kind of built to themselves, you know, as much as they could. And, God, Bill's fans are just, not even say Bill's fans.

It was fun. Well, Stephanie and I stayed at about half. time and it was just like it was an 830 kickoff or something an 820 kickoff so like we had already had like a 10 hour day before kickoff started I think maybe a nine an eight hour to because we well so we left Rochester at like 11 o'clock ish got to matt and jess is at like 1245 or something so like by the time we got home it was over a 12 hour day and that was leaving at half time um I don't know it was it was fun the weather was really good we thought we were gonna it was really going to be a warm day. We got lucky that

it was still warm but we were like in the shade at least where there's like a big tree next to the house we were parked by so that was nice for the so the tailgating wasn't just like disgustingly hot in a asphalt parking lot or something so we got really lucky with that. The night aspect of the game was really cool

like all the uh the intros and everything there's fireworks and shit I'm assuming they spent a lot more money on like fanfare basically as a night game um bills kind of played like shit the whole first quarter or the first half, that is. I think they were down when we left.

And it was just like, some asshole was smoking weed right in front of us, too. Like a big outdoor stadium and some douchebag is just like smoking. Every football game ever, dude. So I'm just like, as, that was probably like the middle of the second quarter. And I was,

and it went like, and he puffed up a few times over the whole quarter. And every time he did it, it like lingered for like a solid minute or two. And I'm just like, this, like, I didn't fucking spend $500 to go fucking smell weed. Like, that just was kind of the last straw. Like, we were,

we knew we were going to leave. by like the third quarter anyway just to kind of beat traffic and like not get home at two in the morning but I don't know just like I don't know it was obnoxious but it was a really fun time

it was cool it was the last that's the last season that they'll ever play in that stadium so it was kind of a like a cool thing to do yeah I uh Jen was on the Canadian side too

and uh I'm a little bummed I didn't know sooner because it's a 45 minute drive yeah yeah so I was like well I was not not in charge of party planning so no no no not at all but i just wonder maybe like people don't know

how far or where i'm or anything or you know yeah she's like she posted a thing she's like i'm in niagara falls canada and i was like like it's a saturday i'm off but either way it is what it is do you want to do the last week's episode or do you want to do my question uh do your thing okay guys do you wash your legs yes shower more or less if you ask matt i never do um no you brush your teeth in the shower we know i'll do that too but yeah okay why why why what what are your legs doing that require washing uh i wear shorts and i go into low-income housing all day long it's disgusting hell yeah good reason and people like smoke and people are filthy and i like have to walk by fucking mounds of hoarder stuff that inevitably

touch my body and my legs okay people's pets like jump up on you and shit so i have filthy legs when I get home from work. Fair. Alex? I can get pretty sweaty at work. I'm a park ranger. So you can get covered in sweat. And then also,

I was going to do a tick check. Okay, the tick check makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. So when I was working at my old job, I never washed my life. Because, like, I didn't sweat.

I'm wearing dress pants. Nothing's touching me. Come home, and the water and soap will take care of itself. But now I do, because I constantly cut myself walking around a warehouse full of skids and forklifts and doors and stuff like that. So I just thought I put that out there.

Like, which crew doesn't, which crew does? And I'm not a judgy person because, again, I've been on both sides where I like, my legs don't sweat. I'm not, except for my armpits, I'm not a generally sweaty guy. So, like, it wasn't one of those things where I was like, oh, my legs are sweaty, so I have to worry about it. So I just wanted to put that out there. Like, who doesn't, who doesn't? The funny follow up to that is like, so like you were working there for a couple days and you took your normal Joey shower and then like you noticed your legs were stinky and or bloody and scabby the next day and you're like, oh, I need to address this better. It was it was the bloody and scabby.

It wasn't the stinky. It was honestly like I cut myself in like two places on the same leg and I was like, hmm, I should probably put some soap on that. Like I'm not wearing shorts at work or anything, but like it still happens. uh yesterday we we were lifting some doors and uh i dropped one side uh because well because you go there's a transfer between picking them up and then carrying them and during the transfer i just slipped and yeah and i caught it with my leg like a fucking idiot yeah don't do that i'd rather drop the door yeah i don't know i didn't neither did the other guy he was like i should have just dropped this and not tried to catch it i was like same dude and yeah the big cut i was like

I should really start washing my legs. Thankfully, Mike, I am allowed to wear shorts. Like, I mean, it's, it's my discretion. Like, there's other guys that work with that won't wear shorts just for, like, the same reason if they don't want animals touching them. They don't want, like, they think that they're more of a thing. They think they're less likely to get bugs on them if they don't have shorts on. I don't know.

Fucking bugs ain't grow up your leg one way or another. Yeah. So I, we go into apartments that have fucking, I was in one this week in fucking Niagara Falls, the goddamn, the shitty. landlord they didn't give like the tennis didn't have control of the boiler system and they were just on full blast fucking heat so every apartment I walked into was over 85 to 95 degrees and like half these people didn't have the windows open either to like compensate it so they're just in their bacon and like some of them are just like oh this is

awesome and other ones were like I'm dying I'm open your fucking window but also they were like and I felt really bad for him because like somehow they paid for the gas for the boiler which didn't make sense because if they don't have control of it like how can they segregate whose boilers heat is consuming what gas but nonetheless it was a fucking brutally hot day so even though it was like I'm driving to work with the heat on and it might only be 50 outside like a lot of the places I go to work are 80 plus degrees inside so I'm just like yes shorts until it starts to snow is kind of my motto every season I'm allowed to wear shorts I just choose not to because all of my shorts are massonomic shorts and I don't want them wrecked

yeah you don't must have to go like a jean short or a cargo short yeah to have to buy some all right uh so yeah so last week's episode so that was the recap of the tour video so that was their perspective of it so it was essentially they you know they essentially copied you know our episode from last week and just kind of you know expect expanded on it a little bit to include a couple other guys's tours uh but no i really enjoyed it it was awesome i'm like close i'm you know more than just passive friends with a couple of the guys and like i'm friendly with most of the other ones. So it was really cool to like, because I felt like, you know, these were people that I consider

friends. So hearing like a little 10 minute story about each of them or whatever was just really cool and insightful. So, uh, I will always sign up to hear my friends talk about my friends. It's just kind of like, that's just fun. So I will go ahead and give it a five out of five, uh, New York State toll roads.

Alex, what about you, buddy? Uh, I really enjoyed the episode. I liked hearing the, uh, recap of everyone's different garage gym. I don't always have time to watch all the Massanamo's garage gyms shows, so just hearing them talk about it is nice. I'm really

excited for the future surprise. Yes, episode 500. Yeah, then they still didn't give us any insight on that. And if you notice, sorry to hijack your thing, if you notice, I think they're recording that this weekend, so like two days from now, but it's not going to hit for like three weeks because I think they're on

498 or 487, so it's going to be, you know, already done and just sitting there and like there's not going to be a love it's going to be live for them but it's not going to be a live interactive thing for us so that's kind of anticlimactic but they're building it up to where it's got to be going to visit someone cool or a conglomerate of cool people maybe i mean i don't know i don't know it has to be something cool they usually usually they don't build up that much smoke or that much stuff for just to be fucking mirrors behind the smoke you know it's not just usually not something that's like

that's lame. Yeah, no, they're good about actually having stuff happening when they tell us something that's happening. They're going to build it up and it's just them recording in like Tommy's jam or something. Yeah, just another Tommy's gym. Go through it again.

Sorry to hide you. Yeah, I thought it was a great episode. I would rate it five out of five surprise Keith faces. They got me. yeah they did um yeah not incorrect uh all of my travels through the us your your gas stations suck for the most part yeah yeah your gas stations do suck but also good ones but they're few and for between uh they suck in ohio as well uh i distinctly remember

trying to get gas in ohio and having to put in my zip code uh but here's the thing i'm canadian and don't have a zip code so like i had to go in and ask the guy like, I want to pay you, please, make this easier. And he's just do zeros. And I'm like, do you understand that that's a barrier for people from around the world who want to come and give you money? Like, don't put barriers in between me and giving you money. That's a stupid move.

There was one other thing. Tommy made me laugh really hard, but I wish I could remember what it was. So I'm just going to go ahead and give the episode five at a five. garage gym reveals have you been like being able to now that you got about a two hours in your car every day are you getting more podcast and time in yeah yeah oh yeah i'm done mass omics by tuesday morning uh every time and that so that's probably why i don't remember a lot because yeah i got if i don't write it down i don't remember and i only read it down 50% of the time of like what and we know you're writing it down while you drive because we've already

established you drive distracted uh i do not not do We know, dude, we know. And then my typos are never because of that. Never, Jesus. Yeah, no, I usually finish it by Tuesday. And then if I'm not on the episode, I listen to our episode. So that doesn't happen very often. And then back to horror episodes.

The, the, taking it back. Was it on this week's episode or last week, the pre-show? No, it was last. It was the Tanner talking about how he popped his in. And it was like two years old and was like surprised. It didn't work. I don't know jack shit about Zinn, but if it's any kind of perishable thing,

what do you get like six months shelf life on it, maybe, and maybe it still has something in a year later? I wish Zin's lasted that long in my house, so good on you, Tanner. But also two milligrams is nothing. It's nothing. I'm on 15s,

so I am mainlining 15s throughout the day. Is someone going to, like, I'm curious though if someone's going to like mail Tanner a sleeve of Zins now, and he's going to, like, just be an addicted asshole to him. Just talk to Trond. But no, also, like, for me, that would do the opposite, right? If I pop a Zinn and while I'm driving, it relaxes me. It does not amp me up, as we discovered at Crew Falls last year.

So, you know, that was pretty funny. And he's like, I don't know where I got this. It was just, like, sitting there rotting in his car. One of the gym, uh, no, he said, he named, he named dropped. One of the gym members gave him, like, the can. Yep. no what was uh taking it back to the bills game like i don't realize how many people do i don't even really know what a zan is really but uh like every other person in the lines the bills game had to throw

their can away like like three people to two of the six people in our party had to throw their can away and then when i go to this job and like the whole joke is like oh blue color workers and zins i go to this job and every one of them's like i have no clue what that is is that gum and i'm like no and also you don't want this You don't want none of this shit, Dewey. You don't want none of this shit. If you got some affiliates, you want to hit us with, Joey? Yeah, buddy.

We'll start with Obsidian. He is back from vacation. He is shipping again. Got another order. Thank you, crew, for using code unpaid. Is he actually shipping? No, or isn't everything shut down? He ain't shipping to you.

Well, I know that nothing's coming across the border, but, like, I'd excited to know what was shut down. No, no, no. I was kidding. I think he actually uses. his UPS. He doesn't use the Canada Posts. Okay.

I mean, if only there was a way, I could check. And, yeah, so he did make the horse stall matamonia in collaboration. But if you missed out on that, you can always try the pumpkin spice lobotomy or nose bleach. Nose bleach is, I think,

what he used for the horse stall matamonia. Nose bleach will mess up your life. Can confirm. we've got plate snacks which I know y'all are using I'm still shocked to see crew asking where do you guys get your stickers printed and every like it's soon as they ask it's everybody going plate snacks code unpaid so big big ups to the crew that still puts that out there for us we do appreciate that if you're not listening to this you're not going to hear this but when you get your gym stickers made they are high quality they are shipped fast and use code unpaid to save 10%

yeah yeah if you have a design that like you can't think of or a way to make it a vector so that he can print it properly he is going to work with you you can also find our banner on his website directly on the website now it's not even a secret link or a sneaky link or a spicy link there used to be so much work for me to like

here this guy's going to email you oh he never it's just like back and forth they'd have like 10 DMs invested into like one fucking banner that we didn't make any money off of. Yep. And that banner hangs in most of the gyms that are coming up on the tour. So. Is it as that as a fair amount?

Yep. That's code unpaid at plate snacks and belt fed strength. Huge fan of Chris and everybody over there. So if you go to belt fed strength, you get to use code unpaid and it's only for crew. Please don't share that out. There is no kickback for us on that one. That is legitimately

just because Chris loves being a part of this. And I think we could set that up to get a kickback, but I'm just going to let it, because I know he does accept affiliates now, but I'm not going to do that. I'd rather not, like, just because I think if he does that, then he'll either cut what the crew get as a percentage or even be less of a fucking deal for him.

So, yeah, we're not going to let that ride. We'll stick with what we got. Yep. Nate doesn't need a speed boat that bad. Big Alex, do you have anything? Did you have anything you want to tell the listeners about massonomics? Yes, I do.

I have a video pitch. nice let's hear it so all right this is the opening shot there's a gray scale room with a person watching the news they hear a knock knock hello the person walks over they're wearing the plain champion shorts and a tango charlie shirt they open the front door and they see joey and keith wearing masonomic shirts that just pop and lift shorts joey and keith say have you been looking for a group who wants to lift hard and live easy. For a place that debates whether chicken banks or cottage cheese or a better protein source, where the important strength questions are answered, such as which lift is the squad of the upper body? Are you home gym curious? Come check out Massonomics, a podcast about lifting that doesn't talk about lifting, a community who just wants to lift some weights, have a hyphen hot lacroix, and be silly geese. Become a supporting member today. There's only three

spots left. Off screen, you hear the person say, let's do it. The closing shot, a garage door rolls open and a scant's reveal. The person wearing the newest McHanawks drop, home gym in the background, and they say honk, honk.

That's a big, it'd be an impressive video. I'd like to see someone make that. It's all this movie talk. It's all the movie talk. That's what's... I did like the movie. There was some good movie chatter in our Discord this week of who would play who and, you know, whatnot, and some plot follow up

from Dirty Sanchez's question last week. Yeah, it made me think actually of Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. If you had Tommy and Tanner instead. Did you guys watch that movie? Yeah, that actually, yeah,

which one's, Ted is Bill Keanu or is no? Not that I can't remember, but like the... I think Ted is Keanu, but I was like the same by... Bill and Tommy. Well, because like, so the not

Keanu character has that. curly blonde hair, a little shorter to Tommy's, but very much of that. And I could see Tanner, that's not a bad, like, Bill and Ted and Tommy Tanner. Isn't like, I mean,

there's, there's worse comparisons for, like, you know, a, a duo. Yeah. And plus the whole cult thing in the future, you know,

that might be there. Yeah. All right. Well, I think we better kick off those looky loos and see if we can get this guest on the horn. What do you think, Joey?

Yeah, let's do it. Big Wes, you there, buddy? I'm here. I'm excited to go. Or Big Alex, Big Wes. We had a little confusion in the pre-show of who you are, but we're not going to go. Actually, maybe that was the show, show. But nonetheless, we're going to go with Big Alex, and you are here.

I want to hear that origin story. What brought you to Massonomics? Why are you here? Yeah. So back in 2017, I got laid off for my job. The company ran out of money and I decided I wanted to be a park ranger, but I needed to lose a little weight and be a little more fit. So I started Googling fitness podcasts.

And Massonomics' top 10 list showed up. Nice. So you started listening to some of those podcasts, and I got ended up getting a job with a park service where it was about an hour and 15-minute commute. So I just started going through the Massonomics shortbacked a lot of the time and have just been listening ever since.

It did take me years to actually buy something from them. Well, that's, that's, that's not, I mean, it's really cool to support the people that you consume the podcast, you know, I, I also probably took, I don't know, I was like six months maybe before I bought anything. I, I think it was about four years, honestly. You fucking leach you. I'm going to say, I'm a little cheap sometimes.

I feel that. I was like, I don't know if I want to buy these shirts or not. And now I, uh, I wish you bought more of them when they were cheaper, huh? I know. I should have. It's like, it used to be like $28 or something shit. I don't remember what 20. It's not 20 something.

I don't remember. I don't remember what the cheapest shirt I bought was. Yeah. And then in February of 24, I finally decided to become a supporting member. Nice. And jumped on the Discord for a second or two and got overwhelmed completely. That'll happen. Yeah.

Especially now. Yeah. You waited too long. If you got in Discord in, you know, 2020, 2020. I know. It was only like 50 people. It would have been a little easier to, I should have.

This is manageable. And then Big Cody had his, you and you episode. And that kicked my backlog of you guys off. And here we are. Your friends. So we'll get into what you do.

So you know Cody through work then to some extent? I have never actually met Cody. Cody has met my wife through work. She also works for the park service. Gotcha. So they're in the same. division. I don't know if I believe it or not,

but I have heard California is a big state. It's a little big. I don't know. Maybe as big as New York. Possibly. No way. Some might call it. It's the northeast of the west. Yes.

A little warmer, though, I think. Yeah, yeah, just a hair. Oh, no, that's cool. I enjoy that. So you got the, you're finally in the Discord now and you got that going. you know you don't do much of the YouTube videos just because they're well yeah it definitely it's you know you still have that commute so you probably shouldn't be listening yeah I definitely don't recommend watching YouTube video where you drive so don't do that you know so that's that's a that's a fair reason not to walk you thought you shouldn't do that I also don't have a commute

anymore I start from work at home so I'm a take home car it's it's nice or do you or do you live at work now I used to live at work but I used to live in work housing if you love what you do, do you ever really work? Don't. Yes. Yes, you do. Don't love your work. Work your love.

Yeah. If no one caught that, that was sarcasm because of fuck work. Everyone at work, we like to say we get paid in sunsets. Aw. Government jobs. I don't know where the hourly rate is, or the salary might not be that great, but I'm sure the benefits are going to be well enough. Yeah, sunsets.

Yeah, sunsets. Sunsets and birds, it sounds like. Mm-hmm. So just so everyone knows who we're talking to, do you want to hit us with your name again? Well, whatever name you're comfortable giving for this does go out to the public. And then Instagram, Discord,

anywhere you want people to find you. Yeah, it's Big Alex Wes on Discord. And then on Instagram, it should be Wes Hartman is the name and the Instagram handle should be L-O-H underscore Hartman, if I work correctly. And where I, that was throwing me off too.

So what's the L-O-H in that? Like, where did you come up with that? That's my, the last three letters of my last name. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, it somehow stands for I post once a year. Yeah, pretty much. That's all, if you were like, why did this asshole post a story with me and my wife with his face on me? It's because the only fucking video, the only picture I had from you was the one you sent us for the thumbnail,

and I didn't want to jump the gun and use that early. And you didn't have any, like, you didn't have any tagged photos whatsoever. Because a lot of times, if you like your main feed is a little light, I can go to tagged photos and be like, oh, that'll work. So you didn't have anything. So the only clear face shot you even had was a picture Like you and your wife was like I guess I'm using this I thought you just wanted a good picture with me Keith You're welcome I'll take you out on a date anytime man

Aw Next time I'm in the big state of California Yeah there you go So with the new job I had some time in between leaving work And and recording today so I said I'm going to do that thing where I go in like peruse Somebody's Instagram and then get them with something And I went to your Instagram

and I started like looking at the dates and I was like he this dude literally posts once a year like it's like February 20 24 and then it's like March 2021 is the next post and I was like there is not the child in this post is walking right now

so I can't surprise it with anything I'll just say oh work beat into me in the academy not to post things on social media. Very fair. And, yeah, very fair. I'm, like, I'm mocking you a bit, but, like,

not in a way that actually matters. Yeah. I do do the stories occasionally, but it doesn't only last 24 hours, so you've got to be watching every day. Yeah, I kid. I hate Instagram, and I hate influencers, and I hate all of that shit.

You know that. But I thought it was just funny that. I was just like, I got nothing on this guy, so good for you. All right. We already got the word you live. Where are you from? I mean,

vague, so always in California? Yeah, I've always been in California, you know, a giant state. I grew up in the Bay Area, so lots of people around. And now I'm over in Medicino County, which has 90,000 people in it for the whole county.

Is that a lot? No. The town I live in has 7,000 people. Oh, my. It's always funny when I hear, Tommy and Tanner talk about how small Aberdeen is and I realize I live in a smaller town now.

So for my bad geography, where are some other crew, like north-south, east, west of you? I think Big Danger 707 on the Discord is in the Santa Rose area. He's

about two and a half hours from me. And then I think the next closest person is in Sacramento, that's about four hours away. um one of the davids was also about four hours away i'm like by myself okay so you go on the uh um the certified training facilities i don't have pictures up oh jesus right we got to i know i know yeah fucking it's an eight by eight space there's not many good picture i can take it doesn't matter you're never going to get featured and you're just going to waste their time because one day

they're going to click on it and be like oh this asshole doesn't have a picture can you just wait i'll do it this week i'll clean the gym and take a nice picture It's more about don't steal people's time. I don't know. I'm just, oh, yeah, that's what it's about. It really is. How many times have they clicked on a goddamn thing and said, this doesn't have a picture?

Now they seem to prep a little bit more, so they have one they already picked. Well, yeah, well, now you're wasting their time off the show. They don't do Canadian. They don't do Canadian gyms, so like, who knows? That might be, yeah, get to put that in Tanner's ear. If you actually, so, like, have they done a Canadian gym?

Didn't he do? They did Max, Max, I'm in Calo it. So, like, percentage-wise, but they've probably done the same percentage if they've done American gyms because what are there, like, 20 Canadian crew and, like, seven minutes. Wow.

You've got to play the numbers game. The anti-Canada rhetoric starts already. You can't just be like, I want a Canadian gym every three weeks. I'm like, well, you got, you have 4% of the crew. You get 4% of the certified training facility. 4% of the crew. You are pulling things out of your ass.

What I'm hearing, Joey, is you need to start recruiting more Canadians to take over. And the best part is, Nobody can stop me. I still wish we could get the, you know, I'm still reading for the referral plan to start to where, like, you know, you refer five crew and you're, you know, for every five crew you get, it's like a dollar. It comes off of what you have to pay to still be certified, you know. Do you want this to be an MLM?

Yes. Isn't it already? Yeah. No. Because they, like, in an MLM, you make money. In the crew, your bonus is the friend you made along the way. Yeah. That's fair.

It took me so long to get to that, and I'm sorry. But, like, I had it in my head. I almost worked for MLM in college. Cut Co. Knives was hiring. Same. I went to the interview. Yeah, me too. And then when they said I had to buy something to do the job, I was like, oh, I have no money.

That's why I'm interviewing for a job. Yeah. You don't have $700 for the starter set, sir? Yeah. So then, okay, I've never told this. I also interviewed at Cutco, which was, of course, a big group interview, which was a pitch. It wasn't an interview. And then he sat me down and blah, blah, blah. And then about a week later, I got a job with one of the biggest cell phone companies in this country. So I went and sat down. And I was like, oh, just so you know, I'm actually not going to accept this position. I got a job with Bell, Bell Canada. And the dude yelled at me. Yeah, oh, go waste your time over there, go that, that lot. And I was like, buddy, full-time hours, benefits, and none of my own money. Like, what are you talking about? He screamed at me.

But again, it's because it's money out of his pocket, right? Yep. Yep. Get fucked. Get wrecked. Sorry, are you okay if we swear? You haven't sworn you. You can swear.

Okay. I try to work on myself for work when I talk to people. I try not to swear. I can get in trouble if I swear with the public. Yeah, it's gotten me in trouble. I don't have to do that anymore. Yeah, you're good, Joey. It's where all you want.

And Seward comes out. No. What's the one piece of Massonomics merch that you wish you had? Okay. I've been thinking about this one. I know there were some back channel deals. I probably could have jumped on this, and I missed it at some point in the Discord.

I really wanted the band. one of the band shirts. Yeah, buddy. It was just at the, when they first went for sale and I was just listening to Massonomics, at the time, I didn't feel like I could wear something like that. Like, you know, do you're like, I can't wear a lifting shirt.

I'm not a guy who lifts. And now I'm like, fuck, I should have just bought that thing. There you go, Joey. I cussed for you. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I don't have the flag anymore. Because I bought the flag because I thought it was so funny.

And then my brother was just like, oh, I love it. I can hear his voice. I drink Bud Light. I'm so happy you got that. And then I was like, no, man, I'm not a lifter. You are.

Here, take this flag. And now here we are like four years later, five years later. And I'm just like, why would I give that away? I definitely didn't. I definitely didn't buy a shirt, mini gym shirts right off the bat.

I definitely was like flag, banner, some other pair of an area and then like a year later shirts. Mm-hmm. But my other answer would be, honestly, now. I bought them slightly too small. No, no.

So I can never wear them in public. Oh, you got the blueprint going? Yeah, either the a house. It does not look good. So I'd really love them in a larger pair. So if you guys would bring them back, I would buy them in a heartbeat. There is a drop coming. So it's not those, but it's, you know, it is a

coat drop. I always get mixed up if he says coat or jacket when he's talking about hoodies, but I'm going to assume it's a hoodie. I told Stephanie it was a hoodie, so fingers crossed It might actually be a coat Yeah, but Or maybe it's the first You really never know

Yeah, you never really know Well, if it's gonna be a coat or a jacket And not babysitting a onesie Hey man, you don't have to If they go under everything else Oh, like how do you pee? That's the concern, like I'm living easy over here I had to pee sometimes

Well, if they had the reverse zip, then you go Like they have for the kids' clothes, you know, where it goes from the butt towards the front and the front, so you can just unzip the bottom. Or the butt flaps with the buttons, like in the old timing cartoons. Yeah.

Your ass is hanging out. Your asses hanging out all the time. Sometimes. I've just been known too. And then when I actually tried to show it off, it just blurred. And that is... Yeah.

Oh, I did, um... This is, I did, I did, I did Moon, Chris, Mark, and Matt and Jess's driveway before going to the bill game. We were getting ready to go. I was just like, oh, this is too easy not to. So hopefully there was no neighbors looking across the street. I think I heard anybody mooning anybody in years.

I didn't, it was more of it. I didn't like bend over and show my, it wasn't like a full cheek spread. Giving the goat? It was just a, yeah, no, it was just standing there with my cheeks hanging out, just kind of, you know, I'm sure he, he said he appreciated it, so we'll go with that. Um, you got a Hall of Fame status to follow that one up there,

Alex? Yeah. I think I brought up the goat on a podcast I'm waiting good movie I'm old I go yeah with today this is number five

hell yeah five in yeah being in some realistic ones that would be the next to fall would be I am we know you definitely don't have a picture

with a fucking crew on your Instagram I don't have one I tried I was down in Southern California like 30 minutes from where Cody works and I messes him and he happened to be at a training

over on the other side of the state that day and I was like, come on. I believe the locals call it SoCal. Yeah, yeah, do they? They also say things like the five down there. That's funny because when you joined our Discord

today, I hit you with the Californians. Yeah. Who are you there? I didn't even know you were from California at the time. That's what's that? Forboding, impending. foreshadowing I chose the evil ones and you guys chose the right one

good for you Yeah I am trying to convince the wife To go out to the Lift Hard Live Easy 4 We are having twins In like Sometime in the next 19 days Okay And they're not your first kids right

You have other kids or they are? I have one other kid yeah So you'll actually be able to say and the twins, you know. Yes, I will. And when you bring them to the Lived Hard Live Easy, it's just going to be that on repeat. That'll be your walkout song.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm trying to convince her it'd be a great road trip or a flight and then a road trip with a stopoff in Aberdeen. But I got a few months to working on it. All right. Well, we know you do have a supporting membership number because you showed us your card.

And we got a little funny story here. I'll kind of tell my end of it. So we're like, hey, Alex, What's your sporting membership number? Because I thought he was relatively, I thought he was a lot newer crew that he was. And then most new crew that are post the gold card, like have no clue what their membership number is.

So he pulled out the gold card. And he was like, oh, I'm member 69 or 269. No, yeah, it was 420. Yeah, yeah, you're right. So it was 420, which is plausible that his number could be 420, because that's roughly when he would have joined. And we're like, nah, dude, it says 06, 420, and then your number.

And it says that on every single fucking card. and he was so devastated. So what is your true, now that your, you know, your bubble has been burst and you're back in reality, what is your true, well, you're true to two years ago, membership number? Now that Keith and Joey have crushed my dreams, I'm 379. All right, so probably more like, so you probably are like 350, but Tanner will tell. I think Tanner dropped the ball. He didn't, he didn't earn it.

Did Matt actually know his real number? I don't remember, but I don't think Tanner posted in our Discord this week, Matt's Discord number. Yeah, no, I don't think you did. You might have, you know, I know you were a little busy last week. I don't know what you're doing this week, but I know what he's doing. Yeah. Oh, yeah, we do know what that is, but I don't know when that is happening.

I think it is this week. They're crazy busy. All right. Busy as dinks. So I did fix the blank show notes. So now it actually does say certified training facility. Thank you. So when someone says CTF, I'll know what they're talking about.

So do you have a CTF? Yes, I do have a CTF. It's a Lost Coast iron. Lost Coast? Lost Coast, yeah. I'm on the southern end of the last coast for any of those hikers out there. Okay, I thought it was like a joke. Like you don't live near the coast, so it's like the lost coast.

No, I'm about a mile and a half from the ocean right now. It's in my house. Beautiful. That's, yeah. Got to be a nice. Can you smell it from there? Like, I can hear it. Yeah.

That's actually really cool Yeah All year round you can hear the ocean go And in the winter It's loud So like not necessarily beachy area But like hilly area Kind of like where the water is

It's cliffs And there are a few beaches It's my favorite kind of like Like I loved when I was in like New Hampshire Cape Cod Where it was like there were some beaches But there was also just like huge dunes and stuff So it wasn't just like

Your stereotypical like South Carolina flat beach Or whatever It's just like massive fucking waves Like, that's like, oh, what I want to see when I see the ocean. I don't want to see some pinkie little flat beach. Oh, I'm out here in November through January, man. We'll get some 20-foot swells going and you can just watch the ocean destroy things. I could fall asleep watching that.

Yeah, that sounds gorgeous. That'd be so beautiful to watch. Like, that's like, that just sounds peaceful. What town are you in? Lost. It's Fort Bragg, California. Because it sounds like you're right in a good spot for serial killers. Oh, we are.

We're a Murder Malin. You guys ever watch that on Netflix? No. I'm sure my wife has. She doesn't watch us all that shit. Fort Bragg with two G's? Yeah. Oh, like the actual military base?

Is the name of the time? It's named after the same person, yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. The military base has not been here since like 1860. Oh, okay. So there is a, so there's a Fort Bragg somewhere else, and you're in the town of Fort Bragg. That's unrelated.

Well, there's Fort Bragg over in the East Coast. Oh, is that way? Okay. Yeah. I know there's not a big military guy. I know there's something called Fort Bragg that is a large military. base. I just don't know where that is. Okay. I'm going to add this to unpaid

and underrated, see how you feel about that. All right. Well, he does that. So you gave us, you know, you wouldn't say you were on the high side, but you weren't on the light side. You're kind of right in the middle. I think you had about seven submissions. So I did appreciate you getting a couple into us for the questionnaire. So how'd that go?

You know, especially you not be in a social butterfly whatsoever on the internet at least, asking friends and family to tell your life story and then send it publicly to people when you don't do that on your own page. How'd that go? It went okay.

My friends have known I've started getting into lifting the past tour. Well, I've done my one post a year. They must be your actual in-life real friends because they clearly didn't get that from your Facebook or Instagram. Yeah, no, no. They know that I've done like one competition for a year for the last like three years. So I knew I've been guided in lifting.

So I just said, I'm in a lifting Discord. I'm on a podcast. Could you guys answer these questions? And then I forgot that my Instagram name is not my real name. And then they said, they called me and they're like, did you get, this scam? Because this name is not your name. It's like, oh, thanks for looking out, guys. But no, that's the Instagram name.

That's just auto polls. Yeah, click this link, put in some information. Everything will be fine, yep. Oh, so when they go to type it out, it has a, that stuff that we that I refill in with the link and okay yeah he was just getting he was just sending a random link to his friends and they didn't know

who he was no I think he's based when they opened up the you questionaire it has oh it has not you because I have to go when I make the thing like it has like I have to manually input Instagram and full name and couple other things and stuff so all that must populate oh I thought it auto pulled for you

no I mean there's a ton of stuff that it does does, but, like, it's really, it is so much fucking better than it was a year ago, and it's so much better than it was two years ago when it was strictly fucking sliding into your wife's DMs, which was just super awkward getting, like, like having to go back for like, hey, your wife has a private profile, go tell her to tech her hidden messages. What does that mean? I don't know how to explain that. I'm like, are you fucking stupid.

So, yes, a lot of people are, so good stuff. Take that past guests. Yeah, you fuck. But we don't do that anymore. Nate made my life a lot easier. Still not perfect, but nothing ever will be because there's still, you know, even I have to put in the work

and I have to do some work for this podcast and just not as much as I used to. Least fun and most fun. Alex, are you familiar with this game? I am familiar with this game. Would you like the honor of describing the rules and how it's played and all that jazz?

Yeah. You're going to give me one subject and I'm going to say the least fun thing about that subject for me and the most fun thing about that subject. Indeed. And I can talk as long as I want. Absolutely.

If this one's not one you want to go with, I'll pull something else out. But I thought this could get some good stories. So least fun, most fun. Being a park ranger. Yeah, we'll go with this. A little serious thing. I think the least fun thing about being a park ranger is that people go on vacation to escape their problems, but the problems come with them.

So I'm a... I'm a cop, I'm a full peace officer in the state of California. So I get to deal with all of the people who are having some overindulgences or bad days, arguments with their spouses. And that is the least fun thing to happen in the campground. I want to say the most fun, I know I joked about getting paid in sunsets earlier, but probably the coolest part about my job is that I have a legitimate reason to just be like, I'm fucking going hiking for an hour and no one can tell me no. I'm on the clock.

Yeah, and I can just go out and go to a spot that I haven't been doing a while or I know has a great view or if I'm having a shitty day maybe where people aren't going to be. And I can walk out, see some nature, see the ocean if I want to.

It's a pretty, like I'm in a really cool area that I didn't know I'd be living here for as long as I have. We have the ocean with the redwoods. I have dune systems on the beach. I have kayakable rivers

that go on. You can get lost in our woods and the oaks. There's a lot of different things to come to out here, and that's like the most fun part about it. Sounds beautiful. It sounds wonderful. Well done. I appreciate that.

I figured that was a good one to, you know, usually we ask what you do, but it was kind of, that's a unique enough of a job that I did want to hear some highs and lows about it, ungenetically. So I guess hype person is next. Do you know this question? I do know this question, yes.

Okay, so you've got one big lift coming up, whether it's your favorite lift, your least favorite lift, it's something you know you got to hit. Who is the person hyping you up the most? Dead, alive, past, present, future, obviously.

Who is that? I got a... I got double answer. Of course. First is my son, Hart. He's four years old. And he's been to two of my Strongman competitions. And at the last one, he was copying my wife, my wife.

And yelling, lift it, baby. But in my favorite, a high-pitched four-year-old voice. Ah, it was fantastic. I got one more ref out of it. I then failed the next, but I got that one more wrap. on that car dead lift so worth it so that's like my home family answer um i think everyone's been doing a lot of lifting people uh choices i'm gonna i'm gonna do something a little different i'm gonna go with uh teddy roosevelt i think uh i think teddy roosevelt would

be a really good hype man on a lift he had a he's a pretty cool dude and a pretty cool live he did a lot and i think he would like meet someone and know how to motivate them so i'm only picturing robin williams playing him same that's not enough but no that sounds amazing i mean i would pick robin williams too that would also not be a bad option i like robin williams playing teddy roosevelt yeah yeah yeah oh go pick up this life oh that would be very cool good answer yeah very good uh not to get political hey we do a good job of like if someone brings we've done a very good job over two and a half years or whatever the fuck we've been doing this to like steer

clear and like you know so there's people that like literally one thing's like their personality is fucking being political human being like I yeah we will we'll tipy tell around it and once you talk about it we'll just when there's that dead silence and we ask you a completely different question and that's just how it's gonna go

yeah I remember the one the one submission we got and it was just like he hates insert political party it's a big part of his personality and I was like fucking delete like that's ridiculous

I deleted that before I'm sure before you even saw it was like fucking delete that okay so here go buts why do you hate being called butts and why are you called butts

okay so first sorry mom and dad this is a story from that I told one of my good college buddies he was one of the groomsmen

in my wedding in middle school almost school. I can't remember probably was 10 or 11. Elementary. Okay, elementary school, that's not any better. I'm just saying 10 or 11 wouldn't be. It does not add to this story.

If you're 11 in middle school. I does not make it better. It's a little worse. One of my best friends, he was into skating. I would pretend to be into skating. What we would do is we'd go out and he'd skateboard and I'd fall down.

And then we'd find cigarette butts on the ground and smoke them. So that was like our rebellious thing to do as the 10 or 11 year old kids. And that happened for like a year or two and then stopped doing that. But my college buddy, Dick, that's actually his name. Sometimes he is a dick. Thank you for the clarification. We were just out drinking one night and getting a little plastered

and he had to go on a walk and he started smoking a cigarette and I was like, oh, I'll bum one of those and then I drunkenly told him that story and then I was called butts for the next few years by him alone. He was the only person that's actually really funny. Well, like, it was that your first real cigarette

that you can think of then? The one with Dick? Yeah, the other one with dick Because I can't imagine Like smoking I think I think I'm sure I As like a fucking 10 year old Like lit up my parents cigarette butts once

Maybe And it's like there's just You're just smoking a fucking filter Like there's nothing there Yeah no I had add One or two in high school And then throughout college And bummed a few

Not very many from people Do you have a memory of that like first real cigarette And being like huh That's not the same as smoking butts when I was 10 Like Oh yeah Oh yeah It's much better

I can't nicotine is an amazing thing and I will never be able to have us in because it is fantastic and I can't do it either my wife told me my wife literally yelled at me and said don't you ever fucking start those

I agree don't start these because there would be a gateway to fucking chewing tobacco again too no god no not at all I'm too old to like I don't have the willpower now to break a habit so I just have to not

get into a habit I don't think I don't think at 40 I could be like I'm gonna do something for another five years and then stop it. Yeah. The one exception for that, for the nicotine, which we haven't done since we've had kids,

is my wife and I used to hookah. We own our own hookah. So we used occasionally, you know, like once a month on a starry night. You go light up a hookah. That was great. But hard to do when you have kids

running around and yelling and needing to be helped with and all that stuff. I think I did that like once, like my early 20s, late teens, maybe twice. It just sounded like there was actually like a hookah bars. You just like went with your,

buddy oh yeah it'd be a great crew to get together little go to hookah bar instead of cigar bar yeah I can see that um so you are the 19th crew in the last like 25 I think that play rugby or have played rugby

I feel like are we a rugby are we a rugby crew or are we a basis crew because I feel like rugby is uh which is cool like that's like maybe it's just you know people just feel comfortable talking about it more than they like I don't know if I just feel like there's been a bigger ratio of people playing

rugby than there has been like football or something in the last several episodes. Yeah, I thought that was super interesting. I feel like it's partly because one, rugby is another niche thing you can get into, sort of like getting this into lifting or a group that talks about

lifting, right? And then there's a correlation with just wanting to have a good time when you play rugby at the college level and the men's level. It's just a bunch of dudes who want to go out play hard for an hour and

half and then go drink a few beers there you go what do you play uh I play well I prefer hooker or loose head but I played any tight five

that would let me play on the pitch so wasn't always good enough to be first team right away so being able to play all of the type five positions which are in the scrum so you have uh Lucy

hooker and tighthead front three and then behind it are your two locks four and five so it's one two three four or five being able to play all those positions let me get on the field more I will say the best ability is availability so being able to

play any of those positions is clutch of all of those words scrum was the one I understood yeah they were so vulgar I asked that question for the other rugby listeners I have no clue what he just said Uh, roll tide, roll tide.

The visual aid did help. It really did, actually. Okay, so like, there's like, just like a center, two wings, and then like defensemen, essentially. They're just called something different. Yeah. No, uh, the other thing I got to say for all the rugby players is, uh, forwards are better than backs. And we all know that. Okay.

So big, uh, big shout out now to any cricket players in, in the crew that really want to get involved and come in with cricket. us. Someone played cricket. It's probably Dodds. One of our 130 guests has played cricket. I know I'm fairly positive. David. For some reason I think Mad Cow played cricket, but I might be way off.

You know what? I would put that on Mad Cow for sure. I can't remember. He'd be like, he'd be the guy that's like, I do grip training and play cricket. I love that, dude. How old are you, Alex? I need to add

that to like the stock question because sometimes I'm like it just gives me a better baseline of like all right are they my age are they 10 years younger are they 20 years younger we're big age now well no it's good like it gives more perspective of like I started lifting when I was you know because sometimes they just put like in college I started lifting and I'm like okay was that

15 years ago or five years ago like it doesn't matter it was in college I know but it gives me no point of reference to like carry a conversation on as far as like when I have limited information in front of me all right 31 good deal deal. And then, so you've been with the, and you said you've been, I do say that a lot. It's my favorite

line. It's not on the bingo, though. No, there was so many. And I, I'm glad when I did see the full bingo card, I was like, all right. He said, like, three in a row that were all, like, playful jabs at, like, repetitive things I say. And then I was like, he didn't fucking say anything about Joey. And then I was like, okay. No, no. Joey has just as many, Joey has just as many, but he just didn't happen to mention them. So I was like, okay. Joey gets dumbfounded by an American thing. Like, get fucked. Like, like, you guys. Do you know how many? I could pull them all in front of me.

And then you used fucking postal codes as like the way to defend it. When you have the most fucking condolute of postal code system in the world, it's like triple fucking ours. It's like let's just have 97 fucking numbers instead of how they're six, six things, and it's alpha numeric, and they are relegated by region. And the first three digits are where you are, and the second digits are which side of the street you're on. It is not that.

difficult but Americans are just like it's not only six letters instructions unclear dick stuck in fan like Americans are the only Dick stuck in episode title well no we can't use that but goddamn that would

be a funny episode title like I'm sorry but like yeah Americans are the only ones confused by the rest of the world sorry all right Big West what's your lifting history man And did you get into it? Was it a high school thing, a college thing, a rugby thing, getting into the police force thing?

Yeah, I lifted a little tiny bit in college for rugby. I would do like... Wait, hold on. Sorry, one second. So was that an example of when I ask a question and give some, give, is this, did I just do the bingo thing where I, where I ask a question and give like three separate answers before you answer the question? Is that, like, was that a textbook? I would say that's a part of the bingo card, yeah. I'd say someone out there has gotten dinger.

Because, like, when I read it, I was like, I think I know what he's talking about, but like, wait, so then as soon as I got done to say, so yeah, so it is when I ask a question and then give three separate scenarios to kind of set you up to then kind of go with, okay. Well, sometimes I don't do that because I don't, I don't do that because every person doesn't know how to talk, but we've had enough experience with people when I just ask, tell me about your lifting history, and then I get a sentence back. Yeah. And then so it's like, I don't know. Part of me is me is overcompensating because I don't know how someone's going to respond. So I go ahead and set it up as if they are going to respond possibly short and poorly. So it's like, no, I'm going to give you like five things to expand on, please. So sorry if I do that to everyone.

I think it's fine because it lets everyone know you want us to talk a lot. Because if you don't listen to the podcast, you have no idea how long this thing is. You know, it's two hours. It's a short day. Yeah, I would love to have every episode be only two hours. That would be awesome. If we could, we can, there used to be a way to have a, I used to have a timer up here.

How do we get that to come back? Oh, don't do that. You'll hate that. There was an episode where you were counting down, Keith, and then you kept saying, like, oh, I only have five minutes left, like three or four times. Probably one and a half hour. I think it's been 30 minutes. Oh, you don't want to clock watch. It'll drive you crazy.

Yeah. Well, I got a hard 15 minutes out and I forgot to tell you guys about. Remember that? That shit sucked. What if we just put it in the back behind you, Keith, so you can't see it? Oh, it's just going to be blurred. It'll be blare. Yeah, but that would be hilarious

as we're watching Keith's clock and not telling him, that would be a minute. All right, Wes. Sorry to keep. Lifting history, right? Had like nine, yep, big history.

So for Tommy, we want to hear the lifting. Okay, okay. Let's take the long, 20,000 foot view. Let's do it. In high school, I did not lift.

I actually ran cross country and did the mile. It would be a beautiful, place to do cross-country. Oh, yeah. I mean, I was down in the Bay Area, which is still beautiful. Well, yeah, I guess it's not as nice as where you right now. Not as nice as where I am now. This is much

beautiful. More beautiful now. Beautifuler. Beautifuler. Yeah, much beautiful. For cross-country running. I can't see like San Francisco having a whole lot of like let's run up this fucking hill. Yeah. Hills are not fun. And I don't know why

I joined that. I hated running. And then I just stuck with it throughout all of high school. so then I went into college and I wanted to do something and I ended up picking rugby and you know they'd be like oh you should go to the gym and work out and I'd give you a program and I'd do it for like four to seven or eight weeks and then you know it's college you might be going to some parties

some drinking there may have been some studying I can't remember that part the sucky parts yeah yeah so that I would drop off and that was like a cycle for like four or five years I got alcohol, graduated, got a job with a startup, and gained a ton of weight. I got up to about 270 because they would give us free lunch and dinner, which is partly why they failed, I think. They ran out of money because Alex ordered three meals every day. Yeah, you get free lunch, and then dinner was always family style from whatever restaurant was closest that the guy wanted to order from. so that's like got to be a thousand dollars a day or something

it depends on how big your staff they've cut that when they started losing money like about a month before we all got laid off so I got out of that and I gained a bit of weight and wanted to swim down and then I also because I was laid off had some self-reflection time and was like what do I want to do with my life you know I was in a coffee shop doing the whole sort of hipsters thing thinking about life journaling and then I like, oh, I want to be a park ranger.

How the hell do you do that? And I liked it. I'm like, oh, there's a physical test. I'm like, oh, I need to lose some weight and start working out. So that sort of kicked off my journey, as I mentioned earlier. That's when I started listening to Masonomics back in 2017. And it's been sort of on and off for the last, oh, I guess that's about eight years now of lifting. The last four years have been more strongman focused.

I tried to do a powerlifting meet but then 2020 happened Yeah, that shut thousands of meats down For like 18 months And that sort of was my like one attempt at power lifting And I was like, you know what? This isn't working out And I think in 22

I had my first novice strongman And did not do well But I enjoyed the hell out of it And I've done one a year since Yeah One novice strong man a year? One novice, yeah Of course

Yeah, I'm like Keith I continue to do novice. That's where it goes. Sorry, I had to. I had to. I almost signed up for the open with this last one. I thought I was going to make weight at the 231 class. Yeah, I did not.

I could definitely compete in Open Strongman if I weighed 181 pounds. But like, I don't weigh 181 pounds. But my strength level is to have a weak open 181. Yep, that's what it was. I was like, oh, you 231, I can do that one. and I was 233 pounds that day when I weighed in. And I was like, oh, I had novice heavy weight. Yep, novice, please, please novice.

So then your home gym, your CTF is a, is geared towards powerlifting. So what's that home gym look like? Is it geared towards power lifting or strong men? All right, yes, correct, accurately. I just started getting some strong man stuff this last year, but it's very simple. It's a half rack bolt to the wall. I got, I'll actually have a, a limit. Ohio bar because when I had purchased it I didn't end up getting the power bar and I haven't bought

a new one since. It's a good cheap as I said. There's a very good general purpose bar. Like if I had to have one bar without center and early, I would recommend that bar like nine times out of ten to people. Yep. It works great. I got some, a whole bunch of bumper plates because I didn't have a deadlift platform when I bought this stuff. Now I've yet with platform and I'm been buying cheap weights when I find them, which is hard out here. There's not a lot on marketplace when no one lives anywhere. And then I now have a farmer's handles axle, a 150 pound sandbag, and I have a 250 pound sandbag, but I haven't lifted it yet.

I filled it all the way. That's a fucking real big. You need to take about, I would take about 50 pounds out of that and save it in a five-gallon bucket until you're ready. Well, at this point, I sort of just want to leave it there and then one day walk up and lift it. That's true. So then you're, so.

It's a challenge. It's just a challenge. You got to tell your wife you want a 200 pound. Chris, maybe, you know, we see how. Is the 150, like, really easy for you then? The 150 is pretty easy. So get a 200-pound bag or even a 220, the two, like, so I would go, you know, it depends on your price range, but like certain companies have 220, sort of comes to have 200 is, there's

175s, definitely get a middle of the, split the difference there and get a different sandbag because you're only going to get like so much gains out of a bag you can throw around super easy, and if, I think a 200-pound bag might be perfect for you. I thought he said he had 100 and a- No, 150. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I thought that $150 bag was a 200-pound bag, because I hadn't weighed it since I filled it. Oh, you were so proud of your little bit. And I was like, oh, I'm doing it for a show and you have a fucking $2.00. You're like, I fill the $2.50 bag up, go to lift and go, oh, fuck, this isn't right.

How much is the other bag way? And I'm like, $1.50. That's funny. Is it now sand or pea gravel? Sand, sand. Come on, Julie. I imagine that's some, some California State Park sand, too. Oh, no, no. Oh, no. No. I don't talk about that. Yeah, so I do have now, I have two pea gravels and one sand. So is there a difference?

Uh, yes. Wet sand. It is, it is wet. Well, it's, it is dried out. So it's probably closer to 120, 120, 125. Yeah, because it, yeah, for sure that wet sand dried out is not going to. And then add more sand because I wanted that 150. Well, obviously, yeah.

Now, keeping in mind, I only weigh 150. So I am, that's not true. but I'm close to it. Oh, we killed him. You okay? I hit my B button good, too. Hopefully. That's how I know my mute button works

is when I'm, like, having a spat and no one can hear me. Yeah, there is a difference, but I don't think it's that big of a difference. I'll be honest with you. The sandbag, I got to say, is probably easier than the pea gravel. Oh, it's...

It moves less. So when you're trying to... When you're trying to pick up the pea gravel, it's a little more, like, malleable. Yeah. Whereas the sand isn't. And it doesn't, like, that doesn't make sense when you're describing it. Yeah, I would fully think it would be the opposite of that. Yeah, of course.

I think a lot of it depends on, if you have a bag that's not fully full, fully, fully, fully full, that's a double. No, no, it's, it's the correct way. All the way full. If you don't have a sandbags that is extremely tight and packed, it will be, you'll be able to make more indentations into it. Yeah, and mine aren't all the way packed, right? I think it might be more how much volume you have in the bag in comparison to the size of the bag versus sand versus pea gravel, possible.

So if you like picking up natural rocks, you should probably using pea gravel in your sandbags. Oh, yeah, do you like find, what are the, what are the, what are the rock situation like in the parks? Oh, I want to hear this too. How's your rock situation? Oh, that's a, that's less than 100, that's less than a 250-pound sandbag. I might be able to pick that up.

Do you get to do that? There are some rocks and I've been eyeing on some work hikes. I just need to, the problem is the ones that I've been eyeing are about an hour and a half drive for me. And not like something I can do in work time because, you know, I got a gun and all that stuff when I. Yeah, I was thinking you can't just take that off. I can't go pick up. Just drops his belt. That would not be.

But sets up his tripod, fills it. It's him just dropping his belt with his badge on, lifting. a rock. Put that on the Instagram. I've been eyeing someone. I think next time I go out there on personal time, I'm going to give it a shot. Hell yeah. They've been smoothed down enough by the creek that they're by that I shouldn't,

I shouldn't bleed as much as Tron did when he hit himself with that rock. Oh, my bastard. Seeing how much hair and blood he lost that day, it was wild. Quick reminder, anyone that has not signed up yet, let Tanner know if you're coming to Crew Falls. Come to Crew Falls. It will be awesome. December 4th.

so we're what is that two months just oh just under two months out i would say if you have the money come fly in have a great time if you don't have the money but you live within i don't know four six hours like i would i would i would gum every time if i was if it was under eight hour drive probably like i wouldn't even i wouldn't even question if i was going to come or not if it was under eight hours yeah you get above eight hours maybe maybe i'll come next year kind of thing you know i would say if i was eight to ten hours i'd be going it is that fun um As long as you can do the hotel at least one night or the crew B&B over 8 to 10 hours,

but yeah, man, I agree. So back to Alex here. Let's see. Is Alex going to crew falls this year? I'm not going to crew falls this year. But I've been thinking, I'm going to be on my, okay, this is, I haven't talked to my wife about this yet. I don't think she'll listen to the episode.

I am going to be on my time off of parental leave for the next two months. and there's some crew that are within about a four hour drive so I've been thinking about trying to hook up with them and do a gym day with them because there's no way

she's gonna let me fly the South Dakota no so what you do is you just simply go to maybe Mofo's house and you know how far that is from that's probably a way because like hear me out 12 hour drive

hear me out they're all way south is you go on the Friday and go, I'm going to see my friend Mofo for two days. And you magically appear in Crew Falls. Yeah, with like a $1,000 hotel room building. Yeah, I know, right? It's not a good idea.

Don't listen to me. Why did you get gas in fucking Nebraska? I'm so, you know, it would be a different. I guess you wouldn't get Nebraska south. So whatever is, what the fuck is, no, because that's, that's east of it. What's west of South Dakota? Ohio. Montana?

No, there's another. Ohio's midwest. Idaho. Okay. Montana. Wyoming's a little north. And then you get into like Utah, Nevada, that kind of stuff.

So I'm not sure like where directly you'd drive through. But no, I go through. I've done it. I've gone to South Dakota before for the Mount Rushmore. Okay. So you go through like eight states, I think. Dang. But yeah.

Don't listen to us. We are the devil on an angel on your shoulder. It's a nice devil to hear. Someone else agrees with my heart. Well, I do like your idea of like and I, we will give you shit if you don't follow, you know, if you spend

all of your paternity leave and you don't go see some, you know, you spend all your fraternity leave taking care of your twins and don't go see crew. We will judge you harshly. Not really. But that would be cool though. And if you compare it to where like, if you can talk three or four people in to being like, hey, everyone just drives two hours and we meet up at like, you know, crew X's house and have a lift party for three hours.

And then we all go home. And it's like an eight, nine hour day for everybody. But you all got to hang out with like three new people you've never met or something. That'd be dope. Like it's, I mean, it's still cool to do one and one stuff. But if you can like shoehorn another person to like also drive there if they're about the same distance from and from a different direction or something, that'd be really cool. Yeah. So that should be fun.

Keep us posted. Hopefully you actually do an Instagram post. Now would you do an Instagram post? If I do that, I will do an Instagram post because I need to get that checkmark, Keith. You do. And a story doesn't, a story, it has to be a main post. I know, it has to be an actual post. Which I think, like, if that's the case, too, I think we might have to take Antoni's check away.

Because I haven't looked at his page lately, but all he ever does is pull stuff off of his main feed page. So if you're listening to this, buddy, we'll have to re-investigate to see if you're eligible for that checkmark or not. He is very particular about what he lets be shown on his. his Instagram page. Sorry to sidebar that. Let's see. What do you got for me? Anything? I feel like I've been chatting

too much. No, no, no. I'm saving a lot of mine for the games here, so. All right. Then let's do you, I just want to make sure I haven't looked at it. I just want to make sure I don't ask anything that has been moved to the game. Has most everything been pulled off of the show notes if you're adding it later? Okay. I talk about this

has that car build going. And it more of a just car in the garage and not so much of the that's why I asked it was still there no I didn't move it it's not my it's my phone it's like it's not my I uh it is my fault this is gonna be later

you know I guess I wish it was in the garage it doesn't fit in the garage because the eight by eight gym's in the garage it is a stalled I have the engine out of it and then pieces and then I did that almost five years ago and then I had my son

and he takes a lot of time I know I should have more time I know I'm talking to a dink and I should be able Would you say your Would you say your heart just isn't in the car build anymore I would say my heart is not in the car build Because that's his son's name For the Davids I have to explain it

The David now we just have one David now Just one There's a hundred Davids 300 mats Pretty certainly one There is a new mat every day I think. They're taken over.

That's actually a good episode. I'm trying. I have a goal to actually work on it this next year. And then if I don't, I think my wife's going to make me sell it. So for those who are cars, guys, it's a 1967 Mercury Cougar. It's just got a T-89 in it,

automatic transmission. So it's nothing fancy, but it was my first car. Okay. And, you know, I don't really want to get rid of it, but there's only so much space in life. So it was like a vintage,

It was like a classic car when you would have got it Because it would have... Oh, yeah. So 30, you would have been driving and like... I got it. Like 2010 or something you were in high school? Yeah. In about 2010, I think I got the car.

So it was a fucking 60-year-old car or a 50-year-old car already at that point? Yeah, and I just drove that thing everywhere. Did not do a little work to it originally? Just smoking butts and driving a fucking challenger. Just gassing people out with a amount of smoke coming to that car. I got pulled over once for that, actually. That's funny.

That thing got about three miles a gallon. Oh, yeah. I mean, I wasn't driving that far. I was going like five miles, so it doesn't matter. I ran out of gas once. I had to push it to school on graduation. That was not a small car to push. That was funny.

I bet you wish you were lifting weights back then. Yeah. Well, I mean, at least you had the endurance of the cross country. You just might have had the strength to push it very well. Yeah. I can do FMK. I'm looking at things. I keep getting skewed on, like, our start time.

It's like, we've already been. I know, we're like, an hour and a half. I remember the first time we did the 7 p.m. And I was just like, it's only 9 o'clock. We got tons of time. Yeah, like, wait, that means we've been two hours. Yeah, that means it's two hours. Yeah.

And we are going to switch it up for listeners. We're not going to give you an aneurism. We're going to let Joey is going to do FMK for, you know, in-depth, you know, for a while. And I'm going to do Mount Rushmore. You know. I don't know if I can handle that. What, thanks this week is like, Usually, usually I have to, like, think of FMKs on the spot because, like, people don't know how to suggest FMKs.

They just give me topics and not general things. This week, Joey, is it easy. He has, like, four different ones that could all just, like, he could use the stock ones easily. Yeah, but here's the thing. But here's the thing is, you're like, this is hard, and I've got to think of the, but I've just been listening and reading the notes, and I can just come up with them. It's, it's fine. Check this out. FMK, okay.

Scotch. bourbon leaving your wallet in the gas station that is a good story okay well just tell them leaving my wall in the gas station story first

and then I'll rate oh I'll get the FMK on those so this happened last month I was doing shorts for the house went to the local hardware store bought some stuff I got to get this stuff done

for the kids got to get all this house baby ready again all that fun stuff, bought a whole bunch of stuff, went home, worked on the project. My life comes home from work and she said, hey, we got to go to this appointment. I'm like, sweet, I don't know where my wallet is. Can you bring your wallet so we can pay for all the stuff?

And she goes, yeah, I spend two weeks cleaning my house, my car. I went, took all of my clothes out of all the dressers, looked through everything to try to find this wallet. Could not find it. My wallet's got my work ID in it, my work credit card, all that kind of stuff. So I'm a little upset. I tell my boss, I've lost all this stuff. I start reordering all this stuff, going to the DMV, getting all that new stuff.

One of our coat, my wife's employees, walks into the gas station and the guy goes, do you know this guy? Does he work with you? Oh, because of the uniform. He has the ID. and he I don't know how long this guy knew his information for let's just say he's not the brightest bulb and it could

have he could have known that the week I lost the wallet it could have happened the day he texted my wife I don't know and he goes hey your husband's wallet is at this gas station I do not remember going to that gas station that day I have no gas charge on any of my credit cards for

that day I walk it I want I need a gas anyways so I go and buy gas my new mint credit card that showed up paid that, walk in the gas station and go, hey, I heard you on my wallet. And the guy goes,

oh, what's your name? I'm going to say my name. And he, like, looks at the idea, looks at me, that's not you. It's not going to do it all. And let's, hold on, let's see if I can do this about doxing myself really quick.

Yeah. Keith, get ready to get a picture there because he's going to cover up the address. This, it's definitely not you. Yeah, that's definitely not you. Right, definitely not me, okay? Literally me. I was wearing a hat.

Yeah, that's not you. So then I had to like recite my address and all this stuff. And I'm like, this was in the wallet. And the guy goes, okay. And he hands it back to me. That's wild. Two weeks looking for that goddamn thing. That's frustrating.

And it was in a gas station you've never been to it. That's hilarious. I'm pretty sure it fell off the top of my car and someone just picked it up. Why was your wallet on top of the car? Because you know when you carry stuff? and then you put it on top to open the door. You don't do that? No, I have a Massenomics fanny pack.

Everything goes in one spot. Well, I have not bought a fanny pack, and that is my own fault. Bet you're kicking yourself now. I am. I don't look as cool, and I lost my wallet. Come on. I believe your wife made it sound like it wasn't the first time or that you lose other stuff. Oh, I lose things all the time.

Okay, I don't lose things. I misplace things all the time. This sounds like you might have ADHD. have and and and I remind me to ask you something in the post show about losing stuff I don't want to put it on air but there's like a work related thing I want to know about I can relate is that yes we lose things all the time because when I put it down I know where it is and if it gets moved even two inches to the right or left it's gone forever I'll never find it again yeah oh and yeah if my wife moves it or if uh My dad's bad about this. He'll just move. He'll put stuff away. I don't know where he's putting it.

It's gone to me. I'll find it again. So I would say I always misplace stuff. I never lose something. This was the first time I'd actually lost something for a long period of time. It's very frustrating. I would kill that in a heartbeat. I would never want to go through that again.

Oh, yeah. We're doing the game here. Yeah, forgot. It's been a while. I would never want to lose my wall again. but the other two were scotch and bourbon, right? Yeah.

Okay. So, by the way, somebody submitted whiskey scotch and bourbon and which is why I said, I can't ask that. Isn't fucking whiskey? Yes. This is rye scotch and bourbon have been a little better.

I know, but whiskey scotch and bourbon. I was like, I can't ask that because those are all the same thing. They're not into it. Yeah. Obviously. Yeah. So. Currently,

I'm on a bourbon kick and I have been for about three years. but scotch is what got me into drinking whiskeys I love the more campfire as scotches the better it is you know

how about peaties do you like the peat yeah I'll do that the moss flavor yeah I want that like really my wife would say disgusting flavor the dark

flavor of it Yes. That's why I love Lefroig. I love Lefroig because it's like, mm, burning grass. And everybody's like, no, dude, that's bad. And I'm like, no, that's amazing.

No, it tastes great. So Scotch is my introduction, really into enjoying whiskey. My current love is bourbons. And I have, this is my cousin's fault. My cousin Dylan, he's a lifter. He is very into berbens. Bourbon's, like, collection style.

Like, he just got a full cabinet built to display all of his stuff. He's in, like, two whiskey clubs. Oh, it must be nice to not drink it all as to know as it comes in the house. Yeah, yeah. But he got me on to getting into single barrel whiskeys, to the higher ABVs, and I've really fallen in love with those. So I had to pick one, huh? Yep.

Okay. F for M. Mary or tickle? okay it was my first love but it's that's just going to be a fuck I'm gonna I'm gonna fuck it scotch um

because I think I feel like that every once in a while that fuck would be nice but I'm gonna marry the bourbon because it's it's been the last three years I've really really enjoyed it I think I broke Joey

that'd be nice that would be nice I'd love one of those yeah you said we could cuss right yeah no that was that was perfect yeah more the merrier all right you ready for a little mount rushmore here have you uh bring it on all right so top four i'll let you i'll give you your druthers with this because um you know so it's the the the one i want to basically it's top four fantasy series but if you want to if series is too

niche, then go author or, you know, however you want to handle, like, which if you can't, you know, you have your druthers, but top four book, fantasy books, etc. Okay.

I was thinking about this today because I was like, I need to have an actual answer if they ask me my own question. And I, I spent some time thinking about it. I'm a big fantasy reader, so I'm glad you were prepared. And I have not narrowed it down to a full Mount Rushmore or even in Mount Rushmore or even in an alien space. I have a list that

I'm going to walk through my thinking and hopefully have an answer by the end of this. Dig it. I can listen to this for all day. So the first one I'm going to throw up there, and this is going to be on Mount Rushmore, just because this was like my middle school to high school, like my go-to-read author that I enjoyed the world building she did. It's not necessarily, like, it's not going to be great for everybody. Some of the books are pretty repetitive in the stories. She sells a pretty cookie cutter sometimes. R. L. Stein.

Mercedes Lachie and The Last Herald Mage. I was way off. Trilogy. You're really off. Yeah. I don't read horror. I don't like horror. I don't know how you do it, Joey.

My wife loves horror stuff. And she can watch it, but I cannot be in the room. I'll go to the other room and put headphones in. It does not go well for me. But anyways, yeah. The last what? The Last Herald Mage Is the trilogy by Mercedes Lachie.

H-E-R-A-L-D It's a fantasy series with like magic They have like companion horses That give them the magic There It's It's good But over all of her writing

She repeats a lot of the storyline So like It's like a comfort author for me at this point It's like, I need something comforting that I know what's going to happen. I'll go read her stories. And then what I'm trying to decide between right now is Dragon Riders of Pern by Anne McCaffrey or Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis. Both of those series are where I read when I was really young and really loved.

You know, I think, I forget, guests were talking about Chronicles of the Narnia recently. They were talking about the witch line in the wardrobe. I really loved out of that series, the pre-series, but the like was it, the horse and his boy

and those first three I think it's great. But I feel like Dragon Riders of Pern is a more impactful fantasy series for people to read. Have you read that one? I have not.

Okay. I'm going to go Dragon Rise of Pern. It's, I got Last Tailmage, and Dragonriders of Pern. Yeah. And then... I added the Harold Age to my read list. The other two, I think we're already on there. But I have not consumed any of those.

Okay, that's two. I think Keith is drinking a beer. I am drinking a beer. Nice. You're talking about Scotch and how you love a good scotch and scotch this, Scotchette. I could drink a fucking Mick Ultra right now. I can drink a single...

I can drink a one mix of ultra right now and not have negative effects, but any more than tomorrow's going to say. Okay. My next question that I'm trying to figure out is either the Stormlight Archives by Brandon Sanderson,

fantastic. That's up there for you know. It's so good. And like not... I know Brandon Sanderson's like talked about how great a writer he is. There's some stuff out of that I've read from him that I'm like,

eh. Yeah, really? There are some... But like 85, percent of the stuff I've read from him as like fucking like four out of five like on a scale. So that is there

but it's really good. I love that series. I just started. I read two out of three of the trilogy called the Davabad trilogy. That's D-A-E-V-A-B-A-D. It's a newer trilogy and it's a fantasy novel set in the Middle East

and so it's all about like genies and all like Middle Eastern stuff. is that Sanderson or somebody else? Huh? Is that Sanderson? It's by S.A. Chardosky. I think it's a lettered down.

I don't know. So it's like a pretty different hype of fantasy than what we usually read. Isn't it hard keeping them all straight too? Because I'm like, I read so many different fantasy book series and it's like, oh,

which fucking world am I reading now? Like I'm... Yes. What are the rules in this world? S.A. Chakra bar. Yes, that one. Yeah, Shannon, Shannon Ali. Interesting.

It's a really good job of character development. I read a lot. I've read a lot of books in my life, and I did not. I could tell what might happen, but wasn't sure what was going to happen until it started happening, which is always really nice for me. Usually I go like, oh, this is going to happen, and that happens. Yeah, it's when they telegraph it. So I think I'm going to pit the Stormlight archives, though, just because they are so good.

so yeah okay so we got last taral mage uh dragon reds pern stormlight archives and then my last one is going to be I'm going to switch to sci-fi if that's okay yeah I love it

um and I this is another decision I couldn't make it earlier today is it Ender's game or the foundation trilogy by Isaac Asimov I've consumed all the

digital media I have not read any of the books of either of them okay but I've watched all the movies and shows and all that I don't know how well because well which like isn't Ender Games only a trilogy and foundation is like several books or is it also?

The Foundation is also a trilogy Ender's game is a trilogy than they added more or more correctly. But Inder Games is like more kid. So I guess you have to The original Ender Game book is like much easier to read as a kid because it's from the perspective of a child.

Yeah, it's a young adult. you know but the subsequent books get into some dark stuff like spoiler alert Ender kills a whole race and he has to deal with that

in the following books so like one of the books is called the Speaker of Death yeah and that's like a job title he sort of assumes where you talk about someone who dies and so there's a little bit more like

he's trying to go not catharsis, what's like, a discovery of, like, who he is as a person and, like, trying to get away from being the, why he saved all the humans, but it was a genocide to do that. Gotcha. I could, I'm not, with not have reading the foundation, but watching, I'm, like, up to date on the TV show. I could see that being a very, very boring book series just based off of how the show is and, like, maybe not even more, but, like, very hard to, because there's so many different characters, but then also like the fucking this characters keep dying

but they're the same characters later but they have different personalities but they're the same person and it's like like it's hard to keep track I think the book series is actually easier to follow than the TV series it's on my read list it's just I've got From my memory the way it's set up

it's over that period of time right just like the series is but it's very like distinct like this is this category of time and then when you go to the next section of the book you know it's different characters so it's a lot more to be like oh this is that they have completed that section of was it psycho history no whatever they call it yeah

psychosis yeah um and then this is the next section um well it sounds like you're you have to go with your gut you know you've got to your druthers you you've already done your druthers so you know okay i'm gonna go with the foundation it was a great series i've read it like four or five times so there you go that's the re-read so now how's that like as a i i've only reread a couple books in my life and i i'm just guessing that i have i know i I've, you know, some people like to give me shit for it, listen to. I mean, I've, I've read a few hundred books and I've listened to a few hundred

books, give or take. So it's like, but I've, I have hundreds, because do you, so piss me off if you don't do it, because you probably don't, you don't seem like a guy that would track your books on good reads at all, do you? You fuck. Oh. I hate you so much. I can't, I end this call. Like, yeah, that's why I took you forever to fucking get through this,

because you couldn't remember what the hell you've read. You're a perfect thing. So, I, free I've read a lot of books in high school I'd love to go into the library and being in the Bay Area we actually had a big library so I get a lot of stuff I can remember all the storylines they read once I got past 18 as I've gotten older

I now can't remember every storyline but what'll happen is I will see like get to a section of a book now and be like oh I fucking know what happens I know I've read this book before that's funny see I just consider that a waste of time like I get it's enjoyable but also like that's why I like Reading a book is never a waste of time. Well, like, I like finding books that, like, I'm on, right now I'm reading, I'm doing the Walt Longmeyer series and the Reacher.

They both have almost over 30 books in the series. So, like, I don't have to reread the books because there's fucking 30 of them. So, like, I just read them in sequential order and they just keep coming out indefinitely. Okay, Keith, here's my question for you. Do you ever rewatch TV shows? It's not a ton. Like, and it's got to be like a decade. I can't just sit there and watch something like two years after I watch it to begin with.

I remember so much of the storyline that it's like... I've watched every episode of Family Guy 50 times. Yeah, I couldn't do that ever. Yeah. I think I've watched Parkton Rec, like, twice. I've watched like the, like, most shows.

And a lot of it, too, is like, I've watched it, but my wife hasn't. So, like, to get her to watch it, I'll rewatch it. So, like, I don't get a lot of comfort out of rewatching stuff. I will very, very occasionally. But, like, right now, it's more like, I never finished King of the Hill

because I was, like, and then I think I stopped watching it when I was like in middle school or something but like right now I'm like going back and finishing King of the Hill from like roughly where I remember it stopping 20 years ago and I stopped watching it

so stuff like that so like I'm more finishing series that I started as a kid and like pre-DVR and pre-Fucking streaming I just never got through every episode kind of thing it's that dink brain it just lets you remember everything I just I don't know

my wife must be nice my wife will rewatch the same show every two years and like not remember 80% of it whereas I'm like I don't know that there's so many new things I want to consume no that's an anxiety thing is we watch the same thing over and over again because it's comforting because we know what's going to happen and surprises bother us yep yeah that's what my wife does shout out stephan i'm gone i know what she's exactly what she's going to watch it's either going to be uh 60 minutes.

Wow. Or it'll be a murder, a murder podcast of some sort, or psych. It's one of those three. Yeah. Depends what I got into psych. I watched it a couple times. All right.

So it sounds like we got the Mount Rushmore locked in. The final answer, right? But yeah, final answer. Last Herald Mage, Stormlight Archives, Dragon Rider's of Pern, and the foundation. All right, cool. I think I added two of those from my watch list, and my read list, that is.

Very nice. I will get to those. Well, actually, no, I added the the one you said that was the one that I had not considered. She said it was a standard. All right.

Oh, yeah. Let's, I think we've, anything in stories, embarrassing stories you saw, we wanted to hit on Joey before. No, I moved,

I moved mine into unpaid and underrated. All right. The ones that I really want to get into. Perfect. I put my name next to them, so don't pick those. I have to put an emoji something, like a fox emoji or just something.

You need to be like, don't fucking pick it. All right. So, oh, okay. Affiliates, we have them. You can use them. We got Barbell Rescue, Home GymCon, freedom, fitness equipment,

and apparel from the Strength Co. Code unpaid at all those locations. We'll help save you a little bit of money. Camo Barbell Rescue is doing great things. Home GymCon. Literally, it's, you know, going to be exceptionally bigger each year. I think Jake has another, like, quarter of the facility fully rented out now.

Ashton is hooking up Tommy with that flooring needs and Grant out there doing his thing with a little apparel deal for you guys So unpaid or underrated

relatively new game we came up with here Joey maybe came up with it I maybe came with it Nate probably did it I don't know somebody in this unpaid and underrated trio we have here

pretty sure we came up with this all by ourselves maybe not really sure but the general gist is gonna give him up to six topics our guest here, Alex, he's going to, you know, uses druthers and kind of go through each topic and be like, you know, do I like it? Do I not like it? And with the end goal to give us a definitive answer of it, if it's unpaid, you know, which would some people might say not so good because nobody wants to be unpaid and then underrated pretty good. So I'm going to kick you off here. Unpaid or underrated minivans. Oh. So, uh, as I mentioned earlier, we're having twins. And, um, which is very exciting and terrifying. The frustrating part is last November,

my wife was tired of driving my old 91 truck around, and she wanted to get a new car for herself, wholly understandable. She decided on the Corolla Cross hatchback, which is a great little car, but it is little. And I was like, we probably need a new car. I went to go put in the car seats they do not fit

three car seats do not fit in that size car so I spent about a month looking for a minivan to buy used because a new one's like 50 to 60 grand which is insane and we got one last week and I have fallen in love with it awesome it has so much space

the doors going on the side the kid can hit the own button the get out which is a little terrifying for a four-year-old but like still I can sit in the front and I'm sure most new cars have this I don't know

you can change where most of the sound comes from the speaker to the back so he wants to listen to baby shark it's louder in the back than in the front dude you've been able to fade the fucking the goddamn sound

from the front to the back of a vehicle since like 1970 you dip shit okay no you're not 1970 is it not no it's yeah but like I don't know like now for sure the 80s and is it fade or is it well balance is left to right and I'm pretty sure fade is front to back. Did you get

full minivan with like the TV screen so they can plug in their headphones and watch? It is not that nice. Okay. There's no TV screen for that. Everybody has tablets so it's almost overrated to have a built-in native TV screen that's going to be out of date in the year. But it's got the

captain's chairs for the middle row the leather seats for cleaning up all the puk and p that's going to happen. Yeah. Love it. Very good. I just got the weather tech in. So they are underrated. So, so underrated. Underseat storage?

Uh, no, but the truck is huge. Okay, yeah. It doesn't look big, but I fit two, what are they, 50 cubic inch bags of pine shavings in the back and like a suitcase or two

and there was, you could still pack stuff up if you wanted to. Oh, hell yeah. My brother had a minivan for a while and then when we did our first mud run, there was six of us. Yeah, hold on, yeah, six of us. But he had the underseat storage plus the trunk and plus the plus the, like, they bought the family size.

Oh, geez. And that's why I keep telling my wife, I was like, we should buy a minivan. She's like, no. I'm like, we should. We'll keep this car for me. Well, yeah, especially as your kids get older, like, they're going to be doing stuff. They're going to be more social butterfly actions where you have to go take stuff to go do things.

You're going to need, like, now, I have an SUV, so that will handle most of that. True. Yeah, but the sliding doors, man. So much better than the doors work now. And they lock, right? So they do have a thing where, like, it won't while the car's moving, your kid can't

just go, let me out. There's still the kid's child lock. I could apply so he couldn't do the buttons anyways. So there is safety features. Oh, and there's a... And it's only if you can hear them. I mean, we know you have all the sound coming from the back. So, like, the kid, you know,

you can't hear heart talking no matter what, even if you wanted to. And it won't be, it's not Baby Shark anymore. It's going to be cake pop demon hunters. In no time at all. What do you mean? That movie's great. You haven't watched it yet, Keith? I don't. What is it? Is it good? I haven't

watched it. It's wonderful. Okay. Yeah, it actually is. And like, we listen to it at work. Like, it's... Is it only on Netflix? Yes. Disney. Disney made it and was like, this sucks, you can have it, and it's the number one movie in the world.

For like weeks in a row. I'll have to get the password again from the family. Yeah, it's worth it. Sorry. Unpaid or underrated podcast about philosophy. Okay. This was a few years back

when I was doing a lot more driving. I was listening to some podcasts about philosophy They were very interesting It's a very dry subject No matter how good the podcasters are I couldn't find a podcast That was like you guys or Tanner and Tommy Where there's some like chatting

That's sort of like things is more fun And then goes into like the philosophy side of it It was all dry Like think like professor At college listening to NPR style Yeah and this is like only title topic no shooting the shit which was good for like 20 episodes

and then you're like okay i need something more from you guys so while very interesting of the topic i'm going to say it is unpaid nice oh well interesting um um unpaid or underrated dish racks i know who sent this best okay um i'm not a preference versus this. Maybe Joey's right and I have ADHD. I'm not the cleanest person in the world. I leave stuff everywhere all the time. In college, I was in the

house with, there was seven of us, is that right? Or eight of us? There's a lot of us guys living in one house. And it got very dirty. I was probably the problem. And I wanted to do a chore chart because we didn't have one. And it was just basically whoever wanted to clean would clean,

which meant one of my housemates would just get high every three months and then go clean the whole house and throw stuff away. Mushrooms will do that. Yeah, and then one of the other guys is like, well, I live in the master suite, so I clean my own bath, and I don't have to clean all your stuff or do the dishes. And I'm like, we need to do this stuff, man. Like, we all should clean.

And I got a dish rack and in a fit of rage, this housemate in the argument, through the dish rack on the roof of the house. I'm so glad I never lived with assholes. So we didn't end up having a short chart. The house stayed in the best for the two years we lived there. You know, because consensus with a bunch of guys who were 19, 20 and 21 doesn't really work out very well. Unless it's, are we going to have some more beer tonight?

And so when that buddy got married, I bought him a dish rack. next street. That's fucking awesome. That is hysterical. So, uh, dish racks are very underrated. That's really funny. That's a good answer. Do you have another one or am I jumping in?

That was, that was my triple. Okay. Yeah, that was all three. Unpaid or underrated. AI. Uh, AI is, okay. I think it's a, Big waste of time.

Sorry, Nate. Like, from what I've seen at AI so far, it just puts together one of people are saying, and like literally I have seen it work, someone put together an AI email, and then someone takes that meme, someone taking the email,

and putting an AI to summarize the points when they could have just sent the damn three ball points to begin with, right? It just adds fluff if you're using it for writing. The, like, art generation's is pretty cool. But we could also just pay someone to do that who's actually an artist, you know?

Or like we could learn how to draw ourselves and do it. Not that I have any artistic skill. I draw really good stick figures. And I just see it as like people are jumping on that bandwagon because it's a new cool thing. I think it is unpaid. And like we'd be fine without it. We don't need it. They don't need

invests with money and that I's are. Agreed. On all points, actually. Unpaid or underrated. Cartesian philosophy. Oh, God.

So it's not going to hit, Joe. I don't remember Cartesian philosophy enough to give you a good answer. It's Renee Descartes. Yes. That's okay.

Yeah, no, we can move on. It is the, I think, therefore I am. okay so therefore the only thing I can prove is that I exist and therefore

nobody else thank you for that jumpstart okay I got this okay I think that's a pretty self-setted way to view the world

that you think and therefore you are I understand the idea of like we're only thinking like we can only know what we can perceive and know

and like that's only because I can think and like therefore like that's the only thing possible to really truly know I feel like as a philosophy like basis

it doesn't set you upright for success in life like I don't know when I I guess when I was looking into philosophies what I was looking for something that was going to help me think about life and like be a better person you know

so Nietzsche and I great yeah yeah sure that'd work yeah sure It'd be a little macabalia, you know? So I think Dick Kurtz is unpaid. Yeah, I kind of agree and kind of at the same time.

Yeah. You know, when you look at things like the Matrix, right, there's no way to prove we aren't in the Matrix, except for the fact that our, my existence is real. The rest of you might not be. There's also the thing Louis C.K. said, who's also, you know, my dick? Yeah, look at my dick.

which actually might play into this. It's the idea that everybody not directly in front of me is dead. And I have no way of knowing. Right. And while that's a joke, that's technically true. Right?

Like, it's one of those things. So I remember reading the soliloquies years ago and really tuning into those. Who is your favorite philosopher, if I could ask? Um... so I have enjoyed probably Plato and the best not necessarily like maybe I don't know if I could say I understand it or anything but like I like the foundationalness of it for a lot of Western philosophy and there was also a great book I read called Plato and the Platypus. which was an attempt to explain philosophy through jokes.

Yes, I think I actually read that too at some point. Yeah. And it's just like that, it has stuck with me. Yeah. So, and then like, I mean, Stoicism is a very, most people like Stosen in the modern era. There's some callback to it for people.

I think it's a bit overplayed for a lot of stuff. I do like the idea in it of like, what I do now sets myself up for the future and I need to be accountable for my actions which I think some

philosophies don't necessarily have like if you if you think about McAvelli and the idea of like you're just trying to get more power there's no accountability necessarily to that

but that idea is just like you're trying to become top dog and I couldn't live like that does that make sense so I can't, like, support those types of philosophies. No, I agree.

There was one I was trying to look up. I remember, oh, man, I remember a phrase, he said, and they said, how many books have you read? And he said, one, but I read it very well. I believe it was a Shakespeare novel. And this dude, his entire philosophy was based on, it was incredible I fucking wish I could remember his name

I used to I wrote like him for a while because that guy was just he blew my mind and of course I can't remember his name I'd have to go back into my old university textbooks to find it and when I find it I'll send you the picture on discord all right so the last one

probably the most controversial I don't know man unpaid or underrated the St. Francis Butterfly St. Francis Butterfly it's the Lancers I assume they're making fun of my high school

no no no your hometown is the last place for the endangered St. Francis Butterworth? Oh you mean Fort Bragg yes I'm talking about that oh yeah okay sorry I went to St. Francis High School no no

when you mentioned Fort Bragg I looked it up and I was just like hold on you house an endangered butterfly. Yes, so there's an endangered butterfly up, but there's a few other endangered species up here. I think I am contractually obligated to say it is underrated because my wife is paid by funding to take care of that species.

Which even makes it more funny of the confusion in the beginning of like... Yeah. She does restoration work. She's a bum, well scientist, like... Big Codias, and one of her big projects is they do Viola planting that is like the only plant this butterfly really enjoys, basically. I'm thinking a whole bunch of funding to bring back

endangered species, obviously. I think it is cool. I'm going to say, could actually, I'll wait to say underrated. I am going to add a, not right in the line. Sometimes I know I work in natural resources endangered species, make it so we can't recreate in fun areas. because we have to close the area

or we have to limit the activity you do. Yep. But they are underrated. They're pretty cool. One of the hard parts with them is they look very similar to another butterfly that is not endangered. Yeah, that would be a challenge. So when people are doing survey work,

they'll be like, oh, I see one. And if they can get a picture most of the time, it's like, no, that's the wrong one. Yeah, sorry, it's legs are the wrong color. You fucked up. Yeah. I mean, insects are in a storiously hard. to identify.

There's so many species of them. Sorry for the confusion there, but I just thought that was really fun. You didn't know that. That's all good. I was like, wait a second. I somehow named your high school without knowing at all. He was like, that, I thought, actually, I think you meant this. I'm like, you know.

All right, it's your turn. What do you have for us, if anything at all? I'm just going to have you guys just see this Google Zoom. thing so you can't cheat. That's fair. I would never dream of it. Oh. Is it going to hide it then from me? I think it's going to look. Okay, just close your eyes.

All right. So the way this game is going to work is I was inspired by the platypice talk of many eons ago and then by I'm just going to close the screen. And birds counts and how an eagle doesn't sound like an eagle. That's the redtail hawk sound. So I have

four animals that I'm going to play the noise. for you guys. They're from all over the world and I want you guys to guess. I'll give you, you can ask three questions and I'll narrow it down. Each? Close you get. Yeah, we'll do each. Okay, ready? Now, let's make it harder.

Three total. Okay. You go four then because it's two each. Here we go. Here's the first sound. Did you hear that? No. Negative. You didn't play? Give me one second. Sound is on.

Let's try that again. Does that go through? I got it. No, maybe I have to. But the problem is I can see the screen, right? Yeah. No, it's okay. So I'll let Keith do this one.

I didn't hear it. Let me try playing it one more time, Keith. Yeah, well, maybe because I had the other, I had it viewing the podcast. I would be at my eyes. Okay, ready? Yep. Jesus twice

I was fucking scared a shit out of me What was so fucking What the Well I thought I heard I'm back to a different screen You can look up and open gas I think I heard running water Oh for sure

So Hmm And you heard a Yeah I don't Okay so we get We're gonna We're gonna go to three or four questions

Two questions each or No Let's go three total because I have three total for this first one. I have none. I saw it. Oh. I'm disqualified. Is it a

is it a solely water based creature? It is not. It can go on land, but it does like the water the most. I guess how specific can I ask like what general size? What is the approximate

size of the screen? Like, is that too specific? No, that's fine. You can ask that. Okay, well, that. It's going to be about two, somewhere between two and three feet in size. Maybe like a small dog

to a medium-sized dog max. Probably your big cat. How do I close the screen? Is it found only on the West Coast? It is not found in

North America. Oh, it's not found in North America. Okay, here I'm thinking this is like shit. I was solely being like, oh, this is all shit from his... No, no, I said all over the world. I was... I thought fun sounds for animals of the world. I hid the screen, so that works perfectly.

All right, perfect. Yeah. The next one will go better for me. But when I did that, the sound didn't come through. The sound only came up when I was on the video screen. Oh, fuck me. You might be able to just move it off camera though Or like just slide the whole zoom

Can you play it again? You want to play the sound again? Yeah See if it comes up while I have the screen Everyone's eyes are closed Here we go Oh yeah So I can't see the screen now

I can only see you Is it like an otter or something I don't know I will tell you you're getting closer to the right Yeah that's pretty well I don't know animals I'm not going to be good at this joy You're pretty good

Here's my hint for you Keith I said the animal name already in this podcast. Platypus? Yes. Okay. I wouldn't, I don't know anything about a platypus. And honestly, there's no... No one knows anything about them.

That's funny. Some of these animals, I have four animals in total. And I was just having fun finding animal sound. No, that is... So this is just sort of a fun game. The only negative is I don't think the odd... I don't think the animal sound will come through, so we might have to have you play it

and then just poorly describe it just for the audio listeners. best podcast ever is what you're describing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not, it's not your fault. I just, I don't know if it'll come through or not. Yeah, yeah, no, it, it might come through on your audio track and Nate will just have to include it. I don't know, we'll see. We'll find out.

We'll do it live. Okay, close your eyes. I'm going to do the next one. No, I can't see the screen now. My eyes are closed. Did you guys hear that? Did that a fox? It is not a fox. If the listeners at home can't hear, it sounds sort of like a high-pitched, maybe laughing or squealing noise, I'd describe it.

So it's not your charger trying to start, right? It is not my car trying to start. Your challenger, sorry, a challenger. It's not a fox. Hmm. Okay, I'm going to ask the first question. I think you already did saying, is it a fox? Is that my question or is that a guess?

I don't think we're allowed to have more. multiple guesses. No, okay, then it's your turn. No, I don't have any. I don't have one ready. I'm just, I'm a stickler for the rules. If I don't want to ask like seven questions, if we're not allowed. Yeah, is it a mammal or a bird? See, that's a bird. I wouldn't help me.

Mm-hmm. Mm. Has Cody seen one at work? No. He may have seen one on his travels recently. Ooh, where did he go? Do they go to like? where the fuck did they go? Didn't they were they on a vacation and like

Caribbean place or my off base? I don't remember. I think it might have something to do with the Lord of the Ring. I was going to ask which hemisphere, but you just answered that. It's not a cuckabarra. I don't

know animal. Can I have it again? Yeah. All right. Here it goes. Not look. I was that a fucking bird? No, no, I got nothing. It is the key parrot. They make a laughing noise when they play. No, not a clue.

Okay. All right, you guys ready for the next one? Goddess. Fire, rapid. All right, eyes closed. This one, I'm going to give you a hint, is in the same hemisphere. That sounds like me when I tell a funny joke that I only think. think's funny.

St. Hemisphere, what are your question? I can picture this fucker. Hold on. I think that's a very big animal. So is it does it weigh more than 10 tanners? No. Okay. No. So it's small because tanner's not very big. Is that a bird

or a mammal? A mammal. Fuck, that does me. Right. in, because I thought it was that giant build dinosaur bird. I'll give you a hint. It is a very well-known mammal. Cuala?

Yeah, it is a koala. Hmm. Good job, Joey. Okay, we have one more to move this out of the way so I can see what I'm doing. Hold on a second. No, you're good. Kudos to you for being super interactive, especially

like surprisingly, Like going into this episode, we were like, man, we don't, we don't have a ton of information about this guy. He's got no social media presence. I've only DM them a couple times. Is he going to get it? And like two minutes in, it's like, ah, he gets it. Got it.

This has been one of the most fun episodes I've had. And, you know, it's definitely in the top. Oh, good. The top 169 episodes we've ever had. Okay. Last one. Here it goes. Okay.

One more time. That was just like a cough almost or a bark. Hmm. Would you like a hint to start off? Always. Okay. This animal is found in Northern America and it's, I have another hint after you ask a question or two.

Is that a cat? It is not a cat. Okay. I love that that was something you say, most episode, a lot of episodes, but not in the manner that people normally hear it. Good call.

Is it an animal that attacks people sometimes? No. It is, the sound is commonly thought to be a mountain lion in my area, but is not.

Is it smaller than a mountain lion? Absolutely. Damn it, Keith. That was a waste of a question. It is cat-sized. It is not a cat, but it is cat-sized. The fucking animals is California. Okay, so it's a California animal.

It's a Western American. I have seen these here, but they are all across the Western America, and probably in Canada. You should have them up there. Is it a coyote? You're getting closer. It is not a coyote. Fox?

It is a gray fox. Fuck. Got one. Yes. Winner, winner. That is a noise that I have constant camper complaints from about having malignans in their tent. And it's a fucking like a 20-pound fox.

And they're like, yeah, I'm like, that's a fox. You'd have to like, you don't just have to be like a peace officer. You have to like no shit. Well, and I know some stuff. And also though, like foxes make, don't know shit. No, foxes make a million noises. Yeah. Yes, they also make a really high-pitched noise as well as that coughing grump, but that's like...

Do they do... Is it a defense mechanism to make other predators think it is a fucking mountain lion? No, it's just a call. Do you remember the song? Is it once Mountain Lion's? Do you remember the song, what does the Fox say? Yeah. And they make all those stupid like, ding, ding, ding, ding, da, like, all of those are real.

I looked it up because I was like, what do Foxes say? All of those sounds are real. They chirp, they purr, they squire, they squire, they squire, they squire, walk they all of it that's why the first one when i was like is that a fox yeah because i was just like foxes make every noise that you can think of yep and i i knew once you said if you said fox before that you wouldn't guess it for the other one yeah you had me there was no way i was going to get say it twice yeah good call brief sidebar you just had your your screen up on your questionnaire so it shows you who submitted questions before you come on yeah but it doesn't

It doesn't show you the stuff, but that's actually really good, because I have to, like, fight with, because that makes it to me where now, because there's times I, like, I go through and I, like, I have to fucking type out, like, everyone's names to be like, all right, dude, you have like two, you have, you have like three submissions. This person, this person and this person. So now I can just be like, hey, go open up your questionnaire. See who's submitted. Please follow up with everyone else. That's going to make my life easier. Thank you, Alex. Thank you, Nate for making that a thing, but then not telling me. You're welcome. That was all Alex. Yeah. It's still frozen for like three hours. He's still here. Like, I just haven't clicked on him yet. He's been talking the whole time.

We just on mute. We really should bring this in for a landing, boys. I have a really important ball question that I just need to know the answer to for my own sanity, Keith. A what question? It's a Keith question. Yeah, yeah. Have you bought a new pillow? No, I do have, I have like eight.

There's literally like at least seven pillows in my bed. and only only one of them is from 19. You were talking about how you have not had a new pillow for years and by that's listening. There's one million percent a pillow from the 90s in my bed right now, but it's not the only one I use. It took me like 20 plus years to find a comparable pillow-ish, and I've bought eight of them since then.

And I think six of them are in the bed right now as like overflow pillows because I just, I like to, like, if I lay on my side, I want like a pillow between my legs. I want a pillow, like, to prop up my fucking fat gut. I want one of my back to give me some support. Like, I am, I need them at my feet. He needs one of those pregnancy pillows. One of those. I need so many.

You should get one, man. They're not that expensive. I sleep with so many pillows. No, they're, so they're, they're pretty expensive, but I'll tell you. Oh, I mean, for how many pillows he has. Yeah. I found some Costco pillows that work. And when we, once we realize, well, Costco doesn't keep shit in stock ever or so.

We went back and bought, like, I think I have, like, four more in the basement ready to go, like, as these, where they're not, they're not the perfect pillow because they don't last forever, like the one that I have, but they are comparable enough that I don't have to seek out the one good pillow anymore. It's just in the mix. But it is disgusting, but it's so comfortable. Hey, it's, I guess whatever works for you. The shame and guilt that this podcast has tried to, you know.

No, no, no. And accurately lay on me for having a horribly giving me. me fucking probably infections yeah dude dude skiing is gross we all do it like don't let that one get to you

no I'm making fun of myself oh okay no no I'm jizzing in your belly button is disgusting and we all do it okay that's a new one for me Joey you don't all do that

that's not all of you no I usually use a fucking I'm not gonna describe my different Come, Rex. This is not the episode I wanted to get up. There's a variety of things that can be used for that. I'm trying to make Keith feel better. Stop mocking me.

Okay, I got that. So, we know you didn't wash your legs for years. I hope you were watching your belly button at least. Well, that was above his legs, so we're good. Yeah, it's above the legs. Yeah, that one's fine. All right. This has been a blast.

got one more. He's got one more. I got a fault for Joey. This is a health fault because I don't think I've heard the answer. You were having that like skin flare-up thing? Yep. Gone. Exactly like the doctor said. It's going to hit you. It's going to suck. It's going to get worse. And then it'll go away and never come back. And that's exactly what it did. It was like red splotches. That's crazy. It was crazy. It was bad. Yeah. It was red splotches and peeling skin. it was it was pretty bad Morgan used to yell at me because I would start like ripping the skin off and she said it'll scar

if you do that but no it was exactly what the doctor said he was like yep it'll go away never come back and it's gone and it's not going back crazy awesome yeah I have closure now thank you guys I've been no I appreciate that because like I also forgot about it

but I guess it's an immune response so there was I was on this podcast saying I think I'm getting sick and then I didn't get sick and then like five days later this thing started

and that's yeah it was just an immune response where my body was like we're fighting this but it sucks so we're going to make you suffer for a little bit and I did honestly look like a leper for a little bit I feel like you're going to get you should get sick

less now I'm hoping with your new gig because obviously less public facing but just like less stress your body's gonna be able to like fight shit off like your kids are still gonna get you sick every fucking the kids are gonna bring stuff in you're gonna have a better defense just by like my poor my poor little girl um you know my son did two years in kindergarten and we had nothing except for like the occasional illness and she's two months in we've already got lice in her class oh and it's like yeah i me too but i'm just like this poor little girl, she's so, my little girl is so friendly and helpful and nice and well

behaved and she's already broken her arm, she's going to have, she might have to deal with lice, like all of these things that should not happen to a little girl like her is happening. Um, you know, if lice comes in the house, I'm just going to take off most of my beard. Like, I'm going to be okay. She's going to have to deal with constant shampoos and constant checks. and all that and it's it's miserable but i am about due for another like illness illness because of the two kids in school i've only had one so far since since september so i kind am looking at the the timeline going um it's time for another one like foot and mouth is coming

or some fucking crazy stuff but nope lice was not on my 2025 bingo card um but yeah no i uh i appreciate the the question. And yeah, it just went away. It was easy. I just had to be ashamed of my body for several weeks. Just some mild body shaming. Yeah, just some dysmorphia where you're

looking at yourself going, that's not me. It's just like scrolling Instagram. That would you know? You probably never even open that app. Yeah, I know. I go on the app for about five minutes a day. You're like, well, these fuckers post way too much. I yes how has your um uh so since you've gotten a discord like has your instagram or do you have a private instagram or a public i don't even remember i have a private

instagram i have it's always a lot harder for private one just this last you have to be the one that puts in the work to go find the people basically yeah the last like 10 episodes i listened to of you and you i actually started like request like all the people and then when they fall back i literally that literally the whole point I am going to say Keith and Joey like you guys repeatedly

saying that for the like I think the past like 15 episodes you guys have been like hammering that point homo like we should follow people you should do these things that you're part of the group

you paid for a CTF you put a picture in I'm like oh fuck I should probably do it fine fine I'll do it what is the so it's not it's like it's like positive shaming

like I don't know what like it's like it's like it's it's reminding you to like do the little thing Like Tanner Tommy do the little things for LyftRov Easy. We remind you to do the little things of like taking advantage of being part of crew. Like you don't pay $3 a month just to pad their wallet. It's like it's literally to you're buying a community, but it doesn't just like you don't automatically blink and have a thousand fucking new friends.

You have to, you know, you want it to be somewhat organic, but you also just need to be like, all right, are all these fuckers crew? Cool, follow, follow, follow, follow, like. Yeah, I think my favorite part of that was Tanner and Tommy do the little things like the Lyft Hard Live Easy. Like there's no work involved. joke. I was literally it was a jab. It's a reoccurring jab. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. It's like the least they could do.

It's the least they could do. They do the little stuff for that, like, Lifter LeVizie 4 is not the little, or the, Lifford LeVisi isn't the small thing. Their contribution to it is that, you know, they only do the little things. That's the running joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the harkin back. Literally the least they could do for us is

run the Lift Hard Livesee. Yeah, yeah. I mean, welcome to Tanner's house. Yep. No, I, obviously. Let us, let us destroy their cactuses and A few people are as grateful as me for what to be done to this world. Destroy their sandbags. Yeah, he can shove it. Good good.

Good callback. See, guy's not too active, but he is in it. He knows. Yeah, I've pushed, I've listened to 15 and a half hours of you and you and Massanomics in the last week. That's wild. Oh my. Yeah, you said, so my voice is annoying at this point.

I wasn't sure if I was going to remember to talk on this podcast. I've done well Do you think that like you know vast consumption if you will is kind of like made you ready for like Obviously every episode you listen to We don't ever give

We give everyone a hard time but it's like This is never like It's not a Isn't fucking rocket science Like it's just fun It's just dude shooting the shit like Like like I think like Listening to it gets you the idea

Of like what the podcast is like And what you can expect Honestly, if you listen, not to make people, encourage people not to listen. If you listen to five episodes, like, you know, you guys usually schedule out, like, at least a month in advance. At least, you can listen to 10 hours of a podcast in that long time. Oh, I'll listen to, like, one episode. Yeah, and if you, like, pick anything between, like, 50 to now, you'll get the complete vibe.

You'll understand how to, like, chat with you guys. Facts. That being said, it's really fun to listen to everyone's stuff and, like, learn about people, me like, oh, I like that stuff too. Or like, I didn't think about that or like and like have more to chat about in Discord. Not that I'm super active, but like I've been trying the past like three

weeks to like start talking more. Wait, so when did you start the you and you journey? Hold on. I wrote the date down. Can me a second. Wow. So so when when Big Tody's episode was released on July 1st,

I was like, I should listen to this. I like sort of know this dude 24 then 20 24 yeah and I was like I should listen to this and then I said no I should listen to all the previous episodes first before hell yeah brother oh wow that was an investment

who are these guys that would actually be really hard because like we didn't know what we were doing for like a solid 10 episodes and then like you're just listening to people that I mean but but then again like the first 20 30 episodes like if you're on Discord for a fucking week like

you recognize half those names. You recognize all those names. Yeah. The first 20 episodes. You're like, oh, I know who this person is talking. Yeah. And like any of you don't interact with on Discord or do you like have an idea who they are then? So you've been basically so last July you started doing some week. Yeah, last July. We weekly consuming and then like working the backlog in somewhere in between. Yes. I dig it. I dig that a lot of work. I mean, that's a lot of work. We appreciate it. When I'm not at a desk, I drive around a lot for work. So a podcast is usually on. that's what what speed

nice beautiful I try okay when I was like how many more do I need to catch up before I do my podcast let me try at a faster speed I didn't like it

yeah I don't know how consumable I would be at like anything above like one one one two because I yeah I try one five one three one two and I was like fuck it we'll just do one I'll just like literally have this thing playing I for sure can't talk as fast as I did like in 2023 though there's no way.

Like, I think my cadence is... Yeah, you were straight-out Busta Rhymes in it back then. I would say you were off the game then. It was just all nerves. It was just like, oh, God, this is hard, and people are going to judge me. Now I'm just like, they're going to also go big old dong. Yeah, they're going to judge me anyway because... I can literally be perfect.

I could be like, you know, insert your favorite podcast person because he's amazing. I could be that guy, and you're still going to be like, ah, this fucker said this thing. so good stuff all right boys yeah hit them with the affiliate links we gotta know we gotta round this oh you're out of order now we already did that that's done now we my friend

we are almost at three hours affiliate links are done i did that fucking an hour ago you guys did affiliate links already was I there probably you might be pissing I do affiliate rings I do affiliate rings it's before unpaid and underrated now so I know I did so I was there

no you did you know but my your portion is before the ad read. My portion is before unpaid or underrated. So when we do the outro, it can be a lot quicker, unlike this, where I could have done the affiliate ad reads in the time that we've described all of this. So like, we've wasted

the same amount of time. If not, now the episode's actually longer because I did the affiliate ad read and talked about how I did it. But yes, Big Alex, where the hell can we find you, buddy? Big Alex West on Discord or

Wes Hartman on Instagram. The username is L-O-H- underscore H-A-R-T-M-A-N. It's private. You send me the request. If I can tell your crew, I'll add you. I wrote crew in my description, so as I add you guys, you can know, I'm just crew. That is actually helpful. Or, like, I have to DM so many people.

Like, are you crew? Because, like, we have, like, two mutuals, and I don't, I'm not going to waste a follow on you unless your crew. I'm sorry. I don't know who you are. Waste to follow. And if anyone's ever up in the Fort Brad, California area, let me know on Discord. I'm happy to

hang out. Nice. He does have a CTF. It doesn't have any pictures. Does it? I'll work on it this week. No, no. No, no. I was getting that. Is it labeled open to other crew visitors at least? It is open. I mean, it is just a rack and a platform with a bench. So, like, it's not, you know, it's some struggling of stuff. It's not huge.

But we can fit another person or two. There you go. There you go. Jerry, where you at? Joey underscore Malesco. Mali, CZ, KO. My CTF is not open to other people, but mostly because it's in an, unfinished basement, that stinks. Too many doors. Too many doors. We are unpaid or underrated

podcast on Instagram. We get the website, unpaid internpodcast.com. Definitely got a YouTube going. I'm Keith Hennickett 73 on Instagram. More importantly, go follow my orange gym than a wine cellar. And until then, see you next Tuesday.