Unpaid And Underrated - 129 : Offline Events (ft. Big Will)

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Will. They dive right into great topics like CrossFit, Tony Hawk, rural living, communites, and geography. Links Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab (https://www.massenomics.com/shop/unpaid-underrated-tee) Get Your Own Keith Head (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/articles/keith-head) Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast (https://www.instagram.com/unpaid.underrated.podcast/) Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/) On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast) Our Guest On Instagram @willchau__ (https://www.instagram.com/willchau__/) Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 (https://www.instagram.com/keithhoneycutt73/) or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar (https://www.instagram.com/thenowhinecellar/) @joey_mleczko (https://www.instagram.com/joey_mleczko/) Special Guest: Big Will.

Okay. Hello. Having a fellow Canadian on and I see your Blue Jays hat, give me one second. Oh, you got your silly goose shirt in. Yep. Okay. Okay, come sing your song. Canada. Thank you, baby.

I love that. Yes. As I was coming in here to record, she's just belting it out in the kitchen. Then I was like, ooh, come on do that. I have a Canadian on tonight. That is good stuff. Perfect. Don't log off because we'll shoot, we'll shoot,

oh, yeah, 100 billion. Oh, it's, the official term is post roll. Post roll. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, because if you still record it, it's a post roll. This is a pre-rule.

I don't know. Did you listen to this week's episode? I think Nate. I'm pretty sure Nate had butchered our outro last week. Wrong again. Keith. Because he didn't even get to the point where I said where I was from or anything. And then he just kind of edited you and saying, uh, Hong Kong.

And I was like, wait, I feel like we missed like a whole 45 seconds. He actually used my voice. He didn't use the. I know it was you. But I don't know if it was you. I don't know if maybe. It was a Hong Kong for sure. There was definitely a Hong Kong,

but I think he, like, clipped out some stuff and then did your Hong Kong, and there was, like, no post show. I might be mistaken. I was listening to that at, like, five in the morning a couple days ago, but, like, I'm pretty sure Nate might have messed something up. I, for one, find it wild you listen to this podcast. I only do the intro and the outro just because I'd like to see what he keeps in. So sometimes it's like 15 minutes, and other times it's like 30 seconds.

But I just, I'd like to see what made the cut sometimes. That's about it because we lived it. I would be cool For me a lot of what I do is improvised Right so it's like Off the top of my head So when I'm listening back to it I make myself laugh

Which is so masturbatory That I just I laughed at myself a few times I could see that though Especially if you're going off the dome Like I would be like What the hell was I on? I wonder if there'd be value in listening

To stuff from like Maybe not like episode like one through five But like 10, 20, 30 on and like to see where we've done like I don't know I mean I think part of my journey was doing that like I started like the most recent stuff and I picked out like names I knew and then I was like let me just start the first five

and it is like night and day I remember the first I heard one and I heard like especially because I wasn't used to like just a random like candid noise so like the sound clips I was like am I in the middle of a podcast what is going on and I realized I was like oh this is the evolution I dig this is fun Oh, yeah, I definitely can see the change.

Let's hope Nate keeps some of this in the show somewhere. This is to be that, so you've got that pre, some good pre-show talk here, Nate. Whatever, Keith. Blur, blur, blur. Okay, welcome back to episode 621 of unpaid and underrated podcast to podcast by crew for crew. relentlessly mocked by crew and in some cases what's sort of I'm looking for cheese

off to a great start boys off to a great start boys off to a great cheese cheese and cheese and rice little provolone that's what I get for sobering up today speaking of that what are you drinking over there

I've got just a Coke zero a little mini one a little mini just like as you guys call it. Yeah, it's a little later night for me, so I just need something for a bump. Yeah, a bump. What time is it over there? It's 8 o'clock, so I'm an hour ahead of...

Yeah, you're not ahead of me. Yep. An hour, half an hour behind Newfoundland. That one I'll never get over. Yeah, they get their own time zone. They get an hour and a half time zone. Yeah, I actually have like a co-worker who... Well, they live in Toronto now, but they're from there originally,

they're just like, yeah, and that doesn't really make much sense. Whenever she goes back, we have to coordinate half-hour calls. And it's already, like, for me, like, already bad. And, like, it's already east to west was always nice, three hours. But then I moved here as, like, four. And then with them, it's like three and a half or, no, four and a half, whatever, half hours. So, like, doing that math is loose track over time. Yeah, we're not big math over here.

What do you got? I learned some, I, well, it's a great waterloo, but I learned something new that there's a half-hour time zone. That's the weirdest. That might be the weirdest thing I've ever heard. It's only for the province of Newfoundland. It might even say dumbest thing I've ever heard, but that's pretty bad. I would say, I would agree. But we do have, what is it?

I mean, America has its own thing. We have, is it Arizona or New Mexico that just doesn't observe daylight savings? One of the, some far west state just straight up doesn't observe the, the time change. I just can't think of what you know. No, no, that's daylight savings time. Yeah, yeah. No, well, true, completely different, actually. so yeah

we're gonna miss there Ontario keeps trying to well no it's still that it's it's time adjacent it's all time but it's I time zone yeah I just I'm okay with like the hours

not changing only because my work like we're fully remote and we have like my boss is in New Zealand they don't change the same time as us so there's like a six week eight week period where our

meeting calendar is just thrown off we can't do morning meetings because they haven't flipped time yet so that's my only time we're like let's just keep it all as is predictable yeah that's the only thing would be nice

so I did mention that's what I get for sobering up but I am going to have a beer I'm having a Keith from Nova Scotia yeah normally by now I've had one before the podcast and today I did not so

yeah you got play ketchup no I just it's obviously like oh I'm gonna come in a little loose and then today I actually had a nap right before the podcast. These 4 a.m. wake-ups are early. Yeah, I'm not getting up at 4, but I'm right behind your like 5, but yeah. Five is my usual time, but I needed the gym.

Yeah, obviously, you have to get up, you have to get a 4 to train. That makes sense, but damn, that's, uh, yeah, I don't know. Just, if you got to figure out a way to, like, work out Saturday and Sunday back to back, and then just to squeeze one shitty workout in during the middle of week. Yeah, that's essentially the goal. Yeah, you got to do, but it sucks training like two days back to back, but just, you know, I don't know. You'll figure it out. That's what I have to do when I'm working long weeks for traveling.

What's everybody wearing? Literally just a blue shirt. I am not Masonomic theme tonight, boys. I have let you down. The high bar squat shirt, because, I mean, we were talking about weed earlier. That was my go-tie shirt, so, yeah, yeah. I have the peach

silly goose barbell finally wouldn't you get that actually I've had it for a week I just I just got ours today and yeah it hits

the smell is oh you got the ammonia yeah I got the ammonia with the shirt so like I knew I was like oh everyone was telling me I'm like can't be that bad I yeah it was a whiff

did you smell like so before you opened up the package could you smell it too like I could I could Good. Yeah. Actually, I could. Yeah. Well, I mean, like, it's also just been sitting there for, like, a whole month. Yeah. Yeah. Shirt's going to need a wash. Tanner wrote that the peach really brings out the color in my eyes, and that was nice of him. I see it. I see it. I love his notes. Can you imagine how many notes that guys. Well, I mean, we can tell today by everyone's order numbers.

For whatever that orders, he's probably written, I don't know, three-quarter of the, I mean, because how many of them were in-person pickups at, like, Amics Gym and stuff like that. And I'm curious if the membership subscription counts towards that number. So there's some variance in that. But like several thousand handwritten notes is wild to think of. Yeah. Do you think he's got a torn ACL? Wait till he gets carpal tunnel from all these notes he's writing.

For real. I traveled and had a crew meet up myself this week. It did. Where's Big Cam at compared to you? Like how long and how long of it? Oh, that's not bad. No, no, not at all. But it was mostly an hour.

because it's city driving in the worst city in Canada. Second worst. So he's farther away. Okay, so he's farther away from me. Yeah, yeah. He's in Toronto. Mostly just to play with some stuff that I didn't have here in the gym, right? So I got to press a log, did some Atlas Stones.

We were going to go to the park and throw, but, you know, not eating. So by the time we got there and I hadn't eaten and it was like one o'clock in the afternoon. And I was like, I don't think I can keep training unless I get food to me. Yeah. So we went to a brewery in which both of us had beer. And then he's like, do you want to keep training? And I'm like, no. Because now I've had a beer.

Yeah, I would agree with that being a good idea. But it was awesome. You know, we tried to coordinate with some other crew, but they all couldn't make it. I don't see it being the last one we do. I mean, I'm definitely going to fly back to Toronto with like my wife and daughter to see her family. Because it's been a couple of years. So, like, definitely I'll hit you will up when I'm in Toronto. Oh, please do.

Especially if it's a weekend, because now I am. Oh, 100%. Yeah, I think we're going to go for like a lease a week in a bit this time around. Because, yeah, the last time we drove back to Toronto, it was for, like, our daughter's, like, 100 days just for, like, our Chinese culture thing. And that was the last time I've seen, like, like, my daughter. Yeah, so that's been, like, almost full two years. But, yeah, I definitely want to go back to Toronto for an extended period of time. Yeah.

So that was my addition to the general topic. So did you start it or end it with the hot tub cuddle? That was the end because it overheated me because not only was it hot out, it was hot in the hot tub. Yeah, you'd be pretty burned. It would be a fairly burned out drive home too, I bet. Well, that was my main concern as well. Like, I still have to drive an hour. Yeah.

Right? So I don't want to train, sit in a hot tub, drink a beer, and then drive for an hour. It was like, I bet. Out of Toronto, too, so that is enough. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was like 4 o'clock by the time I left. And I was like, I got it. I got to go.

No, it was great. I enjoyed every second I was there. His dog is the best boy. We made friends, Brooke, best girl. So we made friends as soon as I showed up. And that dog was obsessed with me, which I support. Dig it? Yeah.

Like I mentioned in Discord, we're just going to do me and Keith instead of home gym tours. It's just us going to your house to visit your animals. Yeah, that would be fun. We got two here. I wish I had like documented that in the past because I've had like you know half a dozen or something already that would have been cool to catch up on yeah I need a picture with Steve's cats yeah yeah so it's uh yeah it's a yeah it's a crew pet tax yeah uh so we got a funny quick story here so we were sitting on the couch last

night and uh Stephanie was um just asked me how many people can get into the hall of fame each year and I'm just like well and so my immediate response was like well it's just once you once you hit all the achievements you you know you're in and She was really confused and didn't know what I was talking about. And then I kind of look at her. Is like, are you talking about the NFL or mess? She was like the NFL and I was like, oh, that's a completely different fucking thing. Like I, it was just like, that's how deep in my brain.

It was like, she was just on her phone, looking at like ESPN or something and was like asking about in it. But she didn't preface it with NFL or football. Yeah. Yeah. You just assumed it was all of it. Yeah. It's like, I haven't thought about fucking NFL Hall of Fame until like, you know, when I see the article once a year of all the guys that didn't make it or didn't make it. And that I was just like, I was just, it took us, we both just laughed out laughing for a solid, like 30 seconds afterwards, too.

Yeah. So that was a nice little funny tidbit. Quick update for your calendar. This will not be accurate by the time you're listening to this. But currently, while we're recording, crew falls 43 days out and the Arnold, 127 days out. So it's just a nice little reminder to either, you know, let Tanner know if you're coming to crew falls. And then if, you know, keep the Arnold on your itinerary, if that's something you're interested in. By the time you hear this, you will be 38 days out from...

There you go. Big math. No, I'm big massonomics dashboard calendar, guys. I look at mine like three times a year, and I just have to keep pulling off, like, things in the gym. I'm like, oh, it's not June anymore. It's like, I got to update this. I look forward to it, the first of every month. Nice.

Tommy's video, anybody she has to watch that today, where he kind of walked through his bells of steel wreck. I was asleep. No. was cool it was uh it was kind of you know this update was this one of the first peaks of this floor um because i think he hasn't really done too much um because he put the rolled floor on top of his stall mats i believe so

got to see a little bit of that uh red flaky stuff on it and uh but yeah it was cool to watch them just go through the whole the whole rack uh someone that already has a rack it's kind of like okay a rack's a rack but uh you know it's good content for them so i enjoyed it and bells of steel's Canadian right so well to touch a Canadian found yeah yeah yeah yeah It's still China import 90% of the other companies, but it's at least You know

It's the biggest thing I'd always on my algorithm of being Canadian, I was like, sure Yeah Canadian founded Did you guys pick anything up from the drop? I did we did To Stephanie I both got a zip up

And I got the bench heavy shirt Yeah Yeah same I Yeah once I saw the hoodie I was like Oh, Maroon's like, that's my fall color, so I had to. And then I wasn't quite sure if I was actually being trolled because when I picked, like, I picked out a medium and it literally said three, three left. I'm like, is, like, is it actually three after I bought it?

I was like, oh, my God. I think it must be because, yeah, when we ordered didn't get me any, uh, I didn't have any, like, stock alerts or anything when we got, we got a large and the twas like, am I being tested today? Like, I, like, I know it's a troll, but yeah, so I just picked up the two. three spots left but yeah I'm excited for the hoodie well the zip up like I've got a couple hoodies I don't have it I've never had it

it's massonomic zip up of anything I think they've only had a few since I've been around but they probably had many I just know the camo one I think that the camo vitally one that the windbreaker yeah I didn't get that and then maybe there was a gym one last couple years ago or last year I vaguely remember there being a black

gym one possibly it wasn't a gym Maybe it was something with a skull. I don't know. But, no, I'm excited. It'll be cool. I do like a good zip-up. I can't wear zip-ups. I'm the opposite.

I hate hoodies. Oh, I love. I love hoodies. I love hoodies. No, no. Like, I don't like pullovers. Like, I'll wear them. I just, I will default to a zip-up if I can't.

True. Yeah, if my hands don't touch in the pockets, I get, like, awkward. And then what's funny is I have two actual pullovers where the hands don't touch. Did you go through and cut it out? I know, because. and that would just be like destroying the sweater and one's upsetting pneumonia and one was from my trip to Alberta and I just don't wear them because I go to put my hands in the pockets

and I'm just like eh my elbows are out this is weird so is it more like is it it's got me more like sewn on pockets then yeah yeah it's not like a it's not a pouch I'm like why would they have why would they put like a kangaroo pouch on and then sew it in the middle okay no no they put pockets so there's no way to open it up then and your phone falls out of those which I don't know yeah Oh, obsceniumonia, code unpaid.

That's true. What's this fake IG business? Oh, God. It was another, well, like, I mean, I don't want to give anyone shit for doing it, but there's like, I didn't even, it was the sandbreaker or something. Basically, someone already posted three or four reels with me breaking a sandbag with, like, chat GPT. And so, yeah, get ready for that person to follow you. You know, what's funny is last week, my friend Amanda was a little. over and she had all her kids and I gave them a tour of the gym so they were lifting up

the sandbags and throwing them over the bar because it was a 20 pound sandbag or something and one of the and there's a rip in it so I actually wanted to take a picture and be like keith was here that would have been really funny actually I didn't know I didn't know if you'd take it as funny or mean so I was like I'm just not going to do it that's it's it's all good no and I wasn't trying to yeah people can make as many fake Instagrams as they want as as long as they're not the ones like that and they made of Gary where they just oh yeah everything and tried to pass it and it doesn't like have my name in it or my gym's name in it so it's not because I feel like because like there's been ones in the past that

like could be construed as confusing and like an actual cutfish yeah and it's just like wait why why is my friend posting like people that don't know me like super deep in the mass omics they'll be like why is he posting this stuff and is he that vain like I don't understand but like they don't because they don't they literally don't get it's a fake account that's just like a supportive gesture kind of you know or ingest whichever so it's like it's not one of those so I'm happy but it's all good either way and what we got last week's episode anybody get a chance to listen to that I did was the CrossFit episode right it was where they talked about high rocks for 57 minutes

and CrossFit for 10 it's all static to me I died actually I I I actually I kind of relevant. I feel before I got into lifting, I came from that space, like, cross-fitting and, and those type of, like, workouts. So, yeah, actually, the topic was

pretty relevant, but the high rock stuff is very funny, because, like, Toronto actually has one of those, like, official races, and it probably just happened a couple months ago, so I had a couple friends run it, but also some, like, my TikTok algorithm was just folks kind of, like, going through,

all the issues of like the the race and organization kind of like typical influencer stuff and yeah it was just kind of like relevant timing that it got brought up because it is to me high rocks is like 10 years ago the CrossFit and because everyone now does that now that much yeah yeah it has like even all of your existing like f45 class like even those type of classes they have high rocks training classes now um yeah so that started becoming like the introduction but yeah i think it's kind of cool it's it it is more endurance than it is not running and not lifting straight in the middle, but yeah, I think it's cool-ish

for at least like the paired stuff because a lot of my friends like they won't solo run it, they'll do the partner races which are a little bit cooler, but yeah. Yeah, what would you rate it? Me? Ooh, five wads out of five. There you go. There we go.

It's a joke there, but I won't touch it. Um, yeah, I enjoyed it. He, uh, definitely made you kind of go down the rabbit hole, like, from, you know, memory of all those freaking CrossFit episodes. And at first, um, I thought it was kind of funny, like, Tommy wouldn't say Tyler's name because I was like, oh, he just, he was like, we just have a third host and he wouldn't, like, say his name or anything. And then like, I was like, oh, this will be funny. I'll, like, build up some fake beef or something. And then, uh, and then he did, they did say Tyler's name later. I was like, it's going to ruin my whole fucking segment.

I will say when I did hear that I also thought I was like I feel like they're cool no but yeah eventually his name came out because yeah I actually think the CrossFit episode were probably one of the the first

massonomics podcast I actually like listened to back in the day yeah which is again kind of funny because it's probably the least like massinomics topic now yeah for real but I definitely learned a little bit about

Hierox, whatever that is. And it was kind of funny, like, them kind of trying to understand it on the fly. And like, Tommy, who doesn't really know anything about it, explaining it to Tanner, who doesn't know anything about it. And I was like, we're just kind of like, they're just like a reading chat, GPT of like, this is Hierox. And I was like,

I mean, it, I have a vague understanding of what it is now. And I just, I don't see the, I guess if you are only a runner, it's going to put some strength in your life. Yeah, I, but I don't know if it's a strength athlete, it's a great, like I don't, because so much of it isn't

like, like CrossFit, I get it's still like putting barbed on people's hands and I can respect that even if it's like herky jerky moves that you probably shouldn't do it for a million reps. But the high rocks, I don't know, as far as like a functional strength other than just like, yeah. It'd be great for an apocalypse

though, I suppose, where you're just, you're going to run around and, you know. Yeah, I think when I talked about like tough money, I was like, oh, that's probably the best example. This is more like, cleaner professional type race similar to that I don't know

I think if I if I didn't get into lifting I started off as a runner I would hierarchy would probably be the thing I'd be like oh yeah that's the next thing for me

and running other than a triathlon but yeah I think it's like a nice challenge and it's something you can just do a couple times a year and it doesn't have to be at your primary

you see my phone it's not my phone that's all you man because I'm not picking that up at all oh because I didn't close discord god damn it but like it's not it wasn't the discord

I gotta see what else I have open because it was like a it was a ding with like a bunch of little dings that followed it like one of those really annoying sounds that's why I was like and it's not the discord chime that I always hear so oh maybe that was me I mean apparently it was me so sorry

I didn't pick it up at all so okay then it's 100% was me I just So I was like, oh, shit, I was like, my phone's work right here. Yeah, no, I'm, yeah, no, you're good. I'll blame it on Nate for, you know, fucking up. Nate must have logged into my computer and messed it all up. Sorry about that.

Got it. Oh, yeah, good. Yeah, but Hirox, it's, it's probably going to be here for a bit, but I wonder what, like, the next, like, what can you add now? Because what's, like, a race that's scalable is, like, pretty, the race setup is not that hard. They use, like, a convention hall. It's got, like, three sections, I think, for, for the,

activities spread around and you just run in a square so like you could they did at I think the convention center downtown in Toronto and so like when I think about kind of setting out races like that how there it picks up because it's very like easy to set up and folks can easily travel to it's kind of like marathons like the big marathon majors like they're all major cities easy so I feel like that is it scalable like are there like can you like sign up and do like half of it like like a like a like a 5k versus a 10k or a well yeah so like they have like the full challenge where you sold by yourself and then they have like the the group challenges so the group when they're splitting it's not like so you're not like doing it holding it

like side by side with your buddy you're like it's like a more yeah i think one person does like yeah one does like the level okay so it's a relay yeah because they have like mixed groups and like and just like i can see that i can see the yeah i mean anything that's making people be healthy in general it's like i'm not upset with but it's just something i've never really, I don't really, I've heard, I've only really heard about it the last year or two, but it's only like been hearing people to say the word, but me have no concept of what they're talking about. But I think the real question is, how much is the affiliate? Yeah. Speaking of affiliates, that'll, that'll go hand in hand out of my rating. So I'm going to give it a five

out of five forgotten affiliates because did you remember they, like, they couldn't remember who the affiliate, the six or whatever. Oh, it was amazing. I was yelling at my, yelling at my radio. Well, I can't think of who it is right now. So that's even a jugger or not. Yeah. So like that was that was one of the good notes like I put in that's I it definitely behooves me to keep up to date with my notes when I'm listening to the episode so that's this is the benefit when I listen on Sunday I can sit there on my phone and just kind of be like oh I want to talk about this I want to talk about that when I'm listening to it Monday morning if I'm driving I'm like yeah I'm I hope I remember some of this no I was I was the pizza meme

guy where they're like oh what you want to forget I'm like it's juggernaut and they're like I can't remember I've been doing this all day it's jug or not because it's like it's under the sauce, the cheese is under the sauce. That was me, and then I finally was like, it was joggernaut, and then they remembered. Now, do you think they did it as a ploy? Because, like, the episode, coming out the following week is the Juggernaut episode. Maybe. There's a little joke.

I mean, that's a little, I'm sure it just was coincidence, but, like, that even makes it funnier-or-in-or-not, that, like, they forgot Juggernaut, and then they're doing an episode about Juggernaut. Um, I mean, you guys said everything I was going to say, um... It sucks one last. Yeah, I just don't really. I think Tanner made me really laugh when Tommy said, can you hit the Strength Go button?

And Tanner said, I thought you'd never ask. I don't know why, but that's just like my humor right now. We were picking doors. And somebody announced, oh, the next door is this size.

And then I turned and I was like, huh, you got everything we need right here, guys. And for some reason, that broke everybody because it was like, so that's my level of humor. So good work on that one, Tanner.

I do, like the joke I was going to make. was that like I heard that and then nothing but Charlie Brown trumpets Wra-W-W-W-R-R-R-R-R-R-Haw-R-R-R-Haw-R Because like And then I posted that meme

Where it's like I gave up on the backlog Because of all the CrossFit talk And then boom, episode 498 I did laugh at that Yeah Anyway, I'll give it five at a five Julian Pinos Well done

Five out of $5,000 a year Oh yeah well yeah the the crossfit yeah they said it kept when they said like the the rates that it went up it wasn't as much as i thought though it was still a lot but not as much as peloton i was yeah i was for sure tanner's not keeping peloton after no like no like he's probably gonna like he's for sure not keeping the subscription i'd be surprised if he keeps the bike itself because every time he sees it he's just going to think of that $50 subscription i like he was like yeah they asked me to sign some stuff so i just went and tammie was like yeah they increased your price and tanner's like what

What? At least it was the 49. What was funny is, like my, Stephanie was listening to it because I think we were watching it Sunday. And they kept saying $50, $50. And then she was like, they should have at least done $49.99. And then like late, like a couple minutes later, Tanner, they like discussed how it was only $499. So I found that amusing. Well, speaking of obsidian ammonia, you already mentioned code unpaid. Head over to hypedust.com. Get yourself some ammonia.

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But let me get to the actual secret cottage cheese recipe that is the community. You can call it the crew, the wolf pack, the gaggle of silly geese, or whatever the hell you want you know them by. You're not going to find another example of a more engaged community. From the online discourse server where you'll be bombarded with memes and plate snack codes to offline events like live hard, live easy, one, two, and three. the crew are just going to be showing up whether it's online or offline some people would say it's cult-like so grab a supporting membership there's only three left and check out massonomics

there's not a better group to learn about power users from actual powerless service themselves you might not learn everything about community but at least you'll figure out how to live hard and live easy very nice massnomics.com slash join if you're listening to this you're already a member Hurrah. And I really dig the idea of calling the live events offline events because it just really adds to the whole, like... That is the actual term. It's very correct because it's like they're always talking about how they hate that business jargon.

I hate the end of every meeting, nothing from me or whatever. Oh, yeah, let's take it offline. I was like, but we don't. We're fully remote, like whenever... Yeah. but then it's just like oh i hope they start calling it offline events that's when you know you're like too chronically online that you're like referring just going out to an offline event we had a newer crew and discord like just

literally today or yesterday be like uh what does crew falls i don't understand and i was like someone we could have chimed in with it's an offline event yeah that would be that would have been meant but i died i i didn't take the low hanging fruit and pick on him i like i did um west there a couple weeks ago i i like i described it in in words and then even sent the link to the website and everything for the the event page i was like all right i don't want to it shouldn't i shouldn't roast everybody let's let's uh you know yeah gonna start charge causing chargebacks over there everybody at least one brought one strike yeah all right should we uh kick any lucky lose out yeah i don't know if we have any i feel like the we have we have dozens we have

dozens that came for the pre-show. Yeah, it was a good free show, actually. Hopefully, hopefully we keep some of it. Big Will, is that you? It is me. Hello. Welcome to unpaid and underrated. Thank you, thank you. We are live.

Yes, are we? Yes, we are. Yes, we are alive. What? We were live. We were live and we recorded. I don't know if we are live on their listening. But yes, I know. We're left somewhere. I'm so tired. Yeah, we're live somewhere. I got, I need it to my ammonia. It's live o'clock somewhere.

So the, that's fucking good. It's so corny, but that's really good. That was funny. Your laugh made me laugh. I was just going to gloss right over that. All right. All right.

Let's start with the big heartheading question. Big Will, I brought you to Massonomics. Don't take CrossFit. You already did. I did. I mean, I think that was my first exposure to it. I'd probably listen to some of the earlier episodes and then probably saw your merch here and there.

But I think it was definitely last year when we had our daughter. I pretty much went through from like February to June. I was just every night. It was like an episode or two. because I had the night shift. So I think I can, that was the period of time where I was like, oh,

I got time to actually figure out like what I want to do next. And then I think where Massanomics came in, it was the community for me because, again, my work in community management. I was like, oh, this is cool. Even though I am definitely a lurker, I'm pretty relatively quiet.

It just kind of makes sense. Like, yeah, so it was last year, yeah, around February was, I just like picked, I think it was, I think it was a Bryce from Calgar Barbell episode that I downloaded because I'd been watching a bit of their content.

And yeah, that episode just downloaded like 50 episodes each way and just started cranking at it. And then, yeah, I just signed up a couple months later for supporting membership. And now here we are. And what got you to pull the trigger on the supporting membership? I mean, I get it was the community, but I guess, how were you, was it just hearing about it on the podcast? Or were you, because it was a bit of that. and I'm also like I'm someone who kind of

when I find something to obsess or like hyperfocus I just dive right and I feel measures nice yeah exactly I full asset only because I also know that I have a high likelihood I might just drop something so with like lifting in like that song

I'm like this is perfect got the community it's I live very remotely so this all makes make sense for me and then yeah it also probably helped that like there was the the gym shed uh tour video that also got like perfect timing where i was like well i want to stop going to the gym what can i do and that kind of got me down a different rabbit are you talking about uh big paul's video yeah yeah yeah yeah i was just looking that was it's got

like 68k it outside of a couple other ones like hit like dwarfs every other like joe schmo crew's video it's wild like i don't know how that caught fire but kudos to them and to paul because that was really impressive to see the numbers yeah i think for release for me, it was the one that, like, some of the gyms, I was like, crap, man, that is a lot of money, you know? That one for me was, like, the most, like,

reachable in a way, because I was considering a shed anyway. So, like, I can see why, because I'm sure so many people probably have a shed or, like, a barn. And that size was, like, what was it, 12 by 20, I think? Yeah, it's essentially, like, a single car garage.

Yeah, so, like, give or take. There's such a common size. Actually, it's probably smaller than a single- I've been inside. I'm trying to think, like, I'd say it's smaller in a single car garage. Like a small, it's a small single car garage, but it is a detached shed. Yeah. And like, I think the regulations

around Nova Scotia, or at least like in my county, is that a certain size level, I don't have to go through permits. And I was going through all the shed. So, yeah, that one was one percent smaller than a permit. Yeah, pretty much. It's like 200, I think it's like 240 square feet is, is the threshold.

And, yeah, I'm trying. trying to figure out how to all the permits and all that jazz that I'd have to apply for. That makes sense. So just so the listeners, because our intro was a little wonky, who are you?

What's your name? How do people find you? I am Wilchow. I am from Nova Scotia. Instagram is, I think, Welchow-C-H-H-A-U two underscores. And I think my Discord is

Lavender Farm. Yes, I believe something like that, yeah. And then I also have one more Instagram page of Blooming Bay Lavender, which is kind of our family lavender farm business. We're also there as well. Nice. Yeah. Well, good to have you.

Good to meet you. Thank you. Well, that knocked out a couple of our things. Where are you from? I've always, okay, well, that did half of it. So that's where you're so currently in Nova Scotia, which for our American listeners, is somewhere north of Joey, I blink. Northwest.

East, east, east. Oh, okay, okay. because, yeah, you said you were ahead, so... Yeah, he's closer to Scantz than me. Okay, okay. Yeah, Scans was right across the water from me. Like, I think it's probably a, either a six-hour drive if I take the long way

or like a two-hour ferry plus another hour drive, I think. That'd be doable. Yeah, well, he's been here. Like, he's the first person I met in person. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember. Yeah, I saw the picture. So finishing up the, where,

from where you live where you've always kind of been that area I heard you mentioned you would live some other places yeah yeah so yeah

I was born and raised in like Toronto so I lived there probably up until like three years ago and then my wife and I moved

to Nova Scotia which I know Joey loves and we're like we're but fuck nowhere like we are so like we're two hours

away from the most like major city and for me me that was like a big change going from like city to to pure country uh yeah so that that has been the biggest change yeah awesome awesome uh and we so we know you don't know your supporting membership number so we'll knock that one off but do you know the hall of fame status this should be five yeah and then six and seven are very doable next well six yeah i'll be minimum seven next year

just by, like, orders in the first year anniversary. I'm thinking about the Arnold, or at least one of the events, or one of the cons to go to, to probably knock off another. Yeah, the Arnold would be the, well, I don't know definitely be the closest, but if you're flying at that point, like, it's just a matter of what's more important to you, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Being lift hard's amazing. Home gym con's really cool. Yeah. The Arnold's his own thing, but it's not, it's not a small and intimate thing unless you, like, are happy, you know, lucky enough to, like, be at the, you know, the dinner afterwards awesome but like as we get bigger it's going to be harder

to get like actually everyone in one room we got really lucky at the Eagle like they had just enough room to like fit everyone in there they actually they didn't even fit everyone in there because barefoot had to get a table outside sorry because they showed up a little later yeah yeah it'll be cool to meet you in person hopefully you can make something that'd be dope

yeah definitely yeah definitely one of them I'll make a NF route for sure yeah it's probably the closest because it's East Coast as well but either way it'll be a good trip It's not Midwest

No No Debatable by some I don't I think I'm sure we've answered that a million times I don't know It's it's not the East Coast I think I know the answer to this

Are you certified yet I am not Not yet no Because I also Well so right now I split between Like I have my like my rack in

the barn and then like adjustable dumbbells a pelton and a bench in our bedroom but I think now we're talking earlier about gym shed but actually my newest thing is I'm looking at like shipping containers and trying to convert them into a gym and then from

there yes I'll do a certified training facility and I think I was even I think I think Joey and I were talking about I was going to even offer the crew to crowdsource our my name, but I think your Blooming Bay Barbell was like

an early, nice classic. I actually, I was telling the, yeah, because that's what the farm is called. Yeah, yeah. I was telling my wife about that one where I was like, you know, he says he might crowdsource it, but I'll be kind of bummed if he doesn't go with that. Yeah. It's a no-brainer, Will.

Yeah, that's in. I was like, wow, this was so much easier than I thought because my other one was like, do I just want to use the same acronym as like Blooming Bay lavender and I'll just replace it with like bongs, barbells, and lavender, and that'll be the gym itself, but Blumen Babe Barbell. I think keeping it simple was just, I don't know, I think people get too erratic with

the gym names and then it's like, and then other people don't remember what your gym name is and then like, well, I'm not going to feel bad because I didn't remember your very elaborate gym name that's like, you. It's just like, like, keep it somewhat. And having lavender in the logo, that kind of writes itself as well. I don't think you want to be BBL. Well, that was the funny, well, that's the funny thing because we're booming with lab, and they're like, why do you call it?

Oh, my guys, it works so well. Don't worry. Yeah, that's a good point. I really worked my glutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no BDL's here. So you're, you know, relatively new. It sounds like you've been here around a year or so, but you've been following in for a little more than that.

So it's that one thing that you saw someone posted on Instagram or in Discord or you saw in an old video that you're like, damn, I wish I could buy that. What's that one thing? Oh, I've got two. Definitely the camo lift hat, for sure. That's my first one. And then only because a couple episodes ago, I think you had mentioned joggers.

That, I didn't even know those exist. That would probably be it because I, you know, I love wearing joggers. Be perfect. So, yeah, those two items for sure. No, you can tell he works from home. It's my, it's my default. Yeah, I probably, yeah, it's my default.

my wife has to literally sometimes when we go out for errands I'm like I can just dress up in like pot related t-shirt or lifting t-shirt and sweats and they're like please make yourself a little bit more presentable and just like wear pants

I was like right I would do wear shorts and sweats all the time so yeah so you nailed it right there Joey yeah um okay so you had a fair amount of submissions for the episode So how did you go about requesting those?

And, you know, did you explain what you and you was? Or did you just keep it kind of simple? Uh, I started off with trying to do an inch, like a slight intro of like, hey, you know, no, been lifting part of that, uh, discord. They have a sister podcast. They're interviewing all the members. I'm going to hop on. Here's a questionnaire. And then it was just, do you guys want to troll and make fun of me?

Here's your opportunity. And a couple of them were just, just it. And then, yeah, so mostly quick one, two liners, and then when I had to check up on them again, then I just gave them an opportunity to embarrass me. So, I think a couple of them. Oh, you had to, you had to dangle that carrot in front of them, basically. I mean, no, no, I feel. I don't mind people submitting, like, embarrassing stories. It's just when it's the made-up stupid shit.

That's what we don't talk about, so. Embarrassing stories are great. Made-up stupid shit can fuck off. Yeah, it's the truth. Yeah, for me, I was just like, I'm also curious, like, what some of, like, the core memories that, like, some of my friends have. because I know like my close one, there are a couple of others that I just message them because like I think one of them

we're, I've been friends with him since high school, but we primarily talk during the football season because he'll always message me a couple weeks before the season starts and like, are you going to do the elimination pool? And I've been giving him a minimum of 40 bucks every year for like the past decade.

He just messages me, your two picks and until I lose. So, you know, that's been every summer. And he's like, I don't really know much about, like, a majority of the questions. So I'm just going to answer the ones that he knows and he'll troll me. So I think he's probably one of the made-up ones. All good. All right.

Well, we have a game we like to play at Will. I know you're familiar with it, but it's called Least Fun, Most Fun. So if any of your friends and family are listening, I'm not really sure what that means. So we're going to give Will a single topic. something he's familiar with, and then he's going to have to go through and uses druthers and kind of explain to us what the least fun thing about said topic is,

as well as what the most fun thing about said topic is. The one I have listed, if it doesn't land, I got a backup one, and then I think Joey has one also, so this is going to be a little, you know, extended least fun, most fun, but it is a great game,

so let's do it. So Big Will. Least fun, most fun. Being on a call with Mark Cuban. Ha! Oh, man. Oh, yeah. Oh, geez.

Okay, so should I give context? Yeah, yeah, obviously, yeah, clearly. You got your joiners. Please give us context. Yeah, okay, yeah. So, it's actually how I got any knowledge of lifting,

but probably, like, 10, 12 years ago, I moved to Boston to live with, like, an ex-partner at the time, but then I also joined a startup, and it was a... It was a company that essentially just tried to track your reports but use big data to do like predictive analysis for injury prevention. And what I did was just email all of the contacts I knew that were related to sports. But also at the time, it was like pretty well known that you can email like Mark Cuban's email and he would open it and read it.

So I sent one with like an email tracker and kind of got like alerts the next day of I could see where it was going. was like Dallas to LA and then another email and then all of a sudden a day later I got an email from like the Dallas Mavs training head trainer was like hey we're interested in your app let's talk whatever we send over some information and then we just hop on a call I did not expect Mark Cuban to be there so forced so like so you weren't sweatpants obviously for the for the Zoom call and they were just you know no it was in on video so we were actually actually I wasn't in the in the shot itself so it's kind of nice i was just kind of like you're in the room though right because yeah it was that was going to be my my audible was if you weren't actually on the call

because i think that the way it was submitted was you facilitated getting a call with no i was yeah i was so the the cool thing or sorry what was this god yeah so i would say was it least or best sorry what the game is least fun most fun yeah okay so least least fun was it sounds so dumb but re-explaining like our whole pitch so we pitched Mark and then he had some questions but his question was literally can you explain that again

in different words that was like the least one of like we had this whole big spiel tell me everything but like say it say it better yeah make it make sense so that didn't feel great and then the best thing was we got more contacts out of it so like we talked to like the Bulls the Lakers

So, like, that was a byproduct of the call. The call itself was shit. But, yeah. But, yeah. It was cool overall, but that call did not go well. And most fun? Oh, you did that already. Yeah, most fun was, I guess, ending the call and getting more context, sure.

Yeah. That's pretty cool. I don't think people can tell. Not that many people can say they, like, you know, talk to someone that famous. And at that point, that would have been, like, peak shark tank, too, probably. It was pretty much that. And I think, like, that was, like, the reason why it was, like, known he has, like, his email. And I think it's still the same email, uh, to this day, yeah.

Um, this one might land. It might not. Okay. Least fun, most fun. Influencers trespassing in your lavender farm. I was going to put it in unpaid and underrated, but I just thought it would be way more fun here. Oh, influence trust. Okay.

I wonder if my wife submitted this No I just I No I brought it up because I know it's a thing that happened Okay so like I I will say I do have a trespassing story But it's not related to an influencer so I But I'll use it for that one so the story was

We did have like a trespasser We've had a couple of multiple trespassers But this one time This lady this nice German lady showed up it was a long weekend it was a civic holiday long weekend I was doing laundry and I don't know if you guys do this but I was doing like my my underwear so I was like screw I'll just take off my underwear and go back up and like nobody drives up here I live on like I live in the woods on top of a mount so I was like I'm good but I think as I was like

going to pick up clothes my ADHD I got sidetrack and I went to I think wash my hands or something and then all of a sudden I hear a knock and I look and fortunately the lady was just looking straight at the door but I was butt-assening I ran upstairs ran upstairs like panicking

and my wife's like what are you doing and I was like as you can see I have no clothes she's down there and I was like I think she saw me I cannot show my face again for this like German lady and then so my wife her decision was like let's just pretend we're not here so we just stood like upstairs in the room assuming she would just walk away she didn't she then proceeded to walk like 50 yards into our

our lavender field and i will say that like our major lavender field is like 13 acres so imagine that like she had a lot of space so we again i still didn't put any clothes up but i was just upstairs like staring at her the whole time assuming she'd leave she didn't so eventually ran out so the the least fun is being caught naked as a trespasser and the best and the most fun

is now getting to tell that story because oh yeah yeah we do get a handful of trespassers and every single time I feel like they do it on purpose because you there's people they claim they claim it by accident but there's no way there's literally

like we have a central one trail that does not look like it goes anywhere and if you walk up the trail you see a barn. Like one girl was like, oh, I thought this was the woods. Yeah, I just thought all this lavender grew in this flat spot by itself. Like this is...

Do you see your family has multiple houses on the land then? No, so we just have hours and then there's like a barn, a couple, like, maybe like... Oh, so it's true. I guess in my mind it was like your parents and then you lived on the land. So you run the farm yourself

then? His parents are in Toronto. yeah my in-laws are like 20 minutes away my father-in-law is retired so he like takes he does most of the the farming for the lavender I kind of do the easier parts because I don't know machinery yet I haven't graduated to the tractor

just yet yeah and then we also want to do like a wedding venue business which I think that's probably more my wife and eyes kind of thing that we want to do but we also have like full-time jobs I mean you know you have to wear clothes if you're going to like you know greet people at the door for the wedding right that's fine i only have to do it once on the weekends like it's my quarterly it's my quarterly thing and if it's in the summer then like maybe i'll do it once more than once but yeah i do i do think about that because

any time there's like a big event or for instance like i had to travel for work for a week i was like do i even have enough pants for like a solid week i was like do i even have enough pants for like a solid weeks of travel. So I did have to buy a lease a pair yeah the last trip that I went on

yeah I definitely have gone too used to living in the woods and not seeing anybody yeah sounds amazing yeah sounds great outside of the whole

I don't work remote and then a long commute would be horrible but the privacy would be freaking amazing yeah yeah I would I tell I'm like

unless like this if you work remotely because I could not I don't even know what type of job I would do or like the line of work I would do if they even have anything close like it'll probably be closer to Halifax to the city but like again I live so rural that I depend on remote jobs yeah all right so no influencers have traversed out there I hear it happens a lot to lavender farms around here so the trick is that they don't know about us yet yeah because we've been that you Yeah, one photographer, I will say like one photographer, we kind of did like a little bit of a trial partnership and we let them shoot at our place. And I guess they posted one and then it was just one photographer means six photographers, no.

And then eventually people were like, what the hell is this place? And my favorite part is the folks who are like, I've lived here all my life. I don't know where they are. They don't exist. And I'm like, still right here. Good. Good. Yeah.

Yeah, go ahead, sorry. Do you want to do the third one or move on to the height person? Oh, that's whatever. All right. So, you know the question. You got one big lift. You got one big competition coming. You got a hype person there to hype you up.

Who is that person? So I have two. One was Terry Cruz because I just think he can yell at me and I all get amped up. But then the inverse of that is I also feel like I just need to be chill. And the only person that is like both my wife and I are celebrity wise is like or a chill person is Tony Hawk. So I just feel like Tony Hawk just like talk to me. I, uh, I'll be good. Terry Cruz is you can just yell.

Shit, we can reenact. Was it the white chick scene where he's doing Vanessa Carlton? I'll do that with him. I'll get amped up that way. Like I think for me, I don't need to. to be like super pumped I'm goofy that's how I amp myself up

energy wise just you'd have to tell Tony Hawk he looks like that guy yeah yeah you look like this guy that was like a famous skater in the 90s

I heard he loves that oh yeah we even had a we thought about inviting him to our wedding just because I was like fuck it find an address

just mail to him and we never got around to it but we did get a cameo from someone ordered a Tony Hawk cameo for that's amazing which is

Yeah. Okay. On to some other stuff. Keith, what do you got? You briefly touched on what you do, that you work remote and, you know, in communications or whatever, you know, as little or as much as you want to talk about your career, feel free.

I love talking about my work. Yeah, so I work remotely for, I guess it's like open source, like community platform, but the best way I just describe it is we, for most people, it's like we do, we do forum software. one of our biggest customers

if you guys like Blizzard games I'm not sure if you guys play video games whatsoever but like if you're ever on any Blizzard forum that's our software and we host them you just made Big Matt mostly squat videos his ears just perked right up

yeah so I manage a customer's success team we basically just onboard all of the enterprise customers so I do get a bit of FaceTime with some like bigger enterprise customers and yeah Blizzard was when I joined it was like one of the

one of the carrots that the founders was like hey we might need you to like maybe manage them did you want to go to the campus I was like say no stop just say less I was like please stop what kind of

what kind of HR jargon did you just say customer success team what is that just like positive no customer is that a term yeah it is it's it's in like software as a service it's probably a relative I keep saying relatively

but like community management is probably older and then customer success is probably like last 10 15 years I didn't know if it was like something like supervisors are trained to tell people to like

only be positive there is no negative because you have to get the sale blah blah blah yeah no this one's just when they say like success for software is just like making sure you product adoption wise like you actually use it so like my team's like

not only training you on the platform but like once you're fully trained in launch we keep an eye out for you be like you should probably do this and stuff so that's cool I got that makes but you do the forums right you don't do the software itself so our comp so like discourse

which often gets confused with discourse we make the open source software and we also do like the hosting on like cloud servers and all that stuff so damn that's cool interesting yeah it's it's uh it is it was pretty much like the dream job that i didn't think i could run into because i used to be a community manager like for for a tech company and then they'll come to like community management is not of easy it is fun but not an easy job especially in tech so i like wanted to get out of it and

that was kind of being on the other side the vendor side of so that's been fun and I've been here for I got lucky and I started four months before the pandemic started so I kind of got like a crash course into working remote and all of that stuff yeah that really helped that was kind of perfect timing because yeah

that's the job everyone wanted three months later so yeah everyone's like how do you how do you manage I was like I wish I could tell you but literally at the time we had like a 500 square foot condo and it was just me it was fine but then when my wife joined we had to split a one bedroom into a two office so when we both had calls she would at some points depending on the noise i would

be either on the balcony or on the in the in the bathroom and she would be on the other side so it was great working remotely uh but in that small room it wasn't fun for like a year and then we ended up here which is now fine because we all have our own rooms now how's the internet out there are you line of sight or are you fiber total trash holy crap we we started Link is the only thing we can get because we signed up for Bell and we had everything. My in-laws were actually here

to let them in because we hadn't moved in yet. And they were like, oh, we can't get a signal because they just were all over and then we asked them, you know, what's the deal? They're like, oh, we actually realized the fiber optic lines all the way at like the front of your

driveway, whatever, the trail. Yeah. We don't want to run the lineup. I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't either because it's just for one just for our one house and it's like a lease like maybe 400 meters of yeah it'd be $6,000 just

exactly just for us so luckily we got Starlink that's does the job like I can't really do streaming as much anymore because they're upload rates or shit but you know what like considering it would have been like dial-up or nothing

so I'll take it yeah are you getting 100 megabytes per second yeah we are actually it's like it's probably like 250 up, no, 250 down and five up. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That, it's always been that, but I can still download, watch all my stuff if I, I don't

stream on Twitch as much anymore. Oh, I shouldn't, I don't anymore. I'll try to do it like once in a blue moon and I'll probably last like half an hour before something craps out. So, sorry, that was a nerdy thing, but I was just thinking living rural. what that's like. No, it makes sense. So, lifting history, something you mentioned being more recent,

is that, you want to walk us through that? Yeah, I think, like, lifting has always been, like, the adjacent or even accessory, like, thing we did. I started off playing baseball in high school, so did a little bit of lifting there. College or university was,

I was just a sack of potatoes. I didn't really do anything whatsoever. And then it was when I started at that tech company, that's when I had like actually learned a little bit more got exposed to it then I think my next few sports were did running for a long time and got a coach who also recommended that I do a little bit of lifting and then once I stopped once I'd like finished my marathon that's when I started doing a little bit more kind of slowly going into kind of like the the intro classes at one of like at 45 to start they had like

a powerlifting class for a week and that was like my first exposure to it uh and then when we moved out here there was no gym and i just started buying like a rack and and stuff and eventually stumbled on like messanomics and kind of just dove right in are you just are you going to get stuff delivered out there or you there's not like there can be a marketplace or any uh like used marketplace out there really i would say probably not in like this area but like yeah Yeah, and closer to the city, there's decent amount of marketplace activity because there's, like, enough universities out there. I picked up a barbell one time when I was coming back from the airport for, like, $150. So it was a solid, like, rogue, not the Ohio Paiobar, just the regular Ohio.

Ohio Bar? Yeah, a solid, like, does a job, and it was, like, cheap, but generally, you're not going to find any time. deal. So I do, yeah, I wait for sales and then I'll just either do it like a big a big purchase or just wade it out. And what kind of train? Are you doing

like squat bench deadlift or are you doing right now I'm doing Swatober. I was doing Juggernaut AI probably up until like two weeks before October started. So I just, yeah, for this month doing Swatober and then

I think I might go back I won't go back to more SBD plus I feel like I want to start running again or adding a little bit more cardio now that it's colder so maybe I'll hop on the Peloton again but yeah nice well one thing I saw here that stood out to me it said I don't know how long you did this or how in-depth it was a side hustle or a you know a side hobby of yours but uh

said a former stand-up comedian so is that true yes yes I mean so well I want to hear a load at that but so either you can tell us a little bit of that and then and then what I'm going to ask or do it vice versa but I just want to I want to hear your best joke you gotta make us you know you have you have oh you know that definitely I cannot do I will and I'll tell you that's fine you can you can okay so then just tell me about staying up comedian then that's fine but if you if one if a good one comes to you that was like that was your go to I do want to hear what like like you want of your go to jokes that but it's kind of hard because a lot of it is like it's all build up and then callback yeah yeah so i you're not really up there tell a knock knock joke so no god no uh yeah how did it all start yeah i think i had oh yeah i had gone suspended from university for a year so i had a i had a quote-unquote gap here sure i'll call it a gap year but i was working part-time at costco mandatory gap year yeah mandatory gap year uh i just told my i think i told my family at the time i'll I don't know why, but I'm just going to take a year off halfway through this university career.

But I was working part-time at Costco when I was like, well, shit, I still have time. Let me just start something new. And at that time, I somehow figured it'd be a good idea to get over my fear of public speaking by just jump it right in. So I signed up for a stand-up comedian or a stand-up writing course at Second City in Toronto. and at the end of the graduation you have to do five minutes so I did the five minutes it was shit

then I was like I want to like my whole thing is like if I do something do it twice because the first time you don't even know what the heck you're doing

the second time at least like I have an idea so I did the second time bombed third bomb fourth and then eventually I got lucky and I think I like

had a good night some of the jokes like I did improve my writing a little bit so I probably did that for that's 2009 so I probably did that up until 2012 on and off

like sometimes in university doing open mics but I will say it was not very good like I could practice a long time but like I had friends who started much later than me and they were up to like time was crazy I got lucky and walked into

an open mic where Russell Peters was like the late night set so I sometimes tell people I open for him, but I really didn't. I just so happened to be like the two-minute guy that day. But yes, and

Keith, I hate to disappoint, but I always had two rules. One rule is like, because I knew my jokes were shit, I would never ever, like, tell them. And also, the other one is like, I think the last time I went on a mic was, it's definitely been over like 10 years.

Mostly now just watch Kill Tony and like laugh because I have my thoughts about that show, but like I remember when that was like, I can do that. These people are goons. And I went out of, oh, my God, thank God. Because, like, I think, yeah, when I was doing, I was like, that's where I want to go.

That is how, that's, like, the ultimate test. And then, yeah, the first five times I bombed. Something about it is, addicting, though, I will say. So I'm going to do a Canadian thing here. Because when you said SCTV, I'm wondering, has Keith even heard of that? I glazed over that one. Um, how much do you want to explain SCTV or do you want me to do it?

I think you can probably explain SCTV better than I can because even like, yeah, even for me, it, I was a late to that. Okay, so, uh, Second City TV is actually one of the biggest Canadian comedy foundations, um, in the country. Uh, they have, they had a, what you would call, I guess, um, a sketch show. Improft Sketch, yeah sketch, yeah well because SCTV was also

the like John Candy Rick Moranis yeah not Gilda Radner who's the one that is very famous now Eugene Levy

also part of the yes Eugene Levy was on SCTV yeah that that Canadian show with the good those guys

the take off bud those guys started on SCTV so it's it's really cool that you went there Yeah, it was, yeah, it was, I, like, I think I've, I grew up, like, loving improv. Like, it was always whose line did it in, and, like, even university was, like, they had some group stuff, but, like, that was always it.

And then, but to me, like, I also grew up, like, a stand-up comedy fan. Like, I, my dad didn't, like, pass on many things in terms of, like, albums, but, like, an Eddie Murphy comedy album was one of them. so I yeah I grew up also like loving comedy yeah Catherine O'Hara that's who I was thinking about she started there you Keith would know her from home alone no I mean well yeah that you just named like half the cast of Schitt's Creek yeah actually yeah because Schitt's Creek is a technically a Canadian television show Martin Short Martin Short started there I don't think I knew that John Candy was Canadian yes sir that one which makes sense that he was in Canadian bacon I guess yes sir some of the world's best comedians come out and they all got started on the juice pourier the juice pierre is the big comedy festival just for laughs yeah which of course Keith's like nope not a clue oh it's good stuff I'm happy yeah so that bingo check mark that everybody's trying to get it's going to be Keith is flabbergasted at Canadian stuff this time.

So what does one do with lavender? Like, is that, I don't know what lavender is other than a scent, like... Yeah, you can, I mean... Like, a purple tree or a purple bush or something, right? Like, I don't... Yeah, yeah. It's a lighter to what lavender is or does. Oh, somebody's coming after you for that one, buddy.

Yeah, the easiest business for, like, the easiest one is, like, dried and fresh punches. we do fireworks markets I think the big one is like essential oil so you can that's the one we're trying to figure out so we do or my father-in-law has like a distiller

we I think he's been trying but like our first couple of years here the lavender was just too young you don't use it for essential oils those first couple of years but he was still trying and figuring out how to to make that work and I will say like lavender smells really good but pungent, pure,

essential oil, lavender is the worst. And also that distiller looks like we were making moonshine and he actually had to get cold on him a couple of times. Yeah. Someone showed up, like, I know the first time when we were there, we were

testing it, we were just like, again, just imagine like a couple houses in Aurora Road and just fully opened and this like big $30,000 distiller just were just there looking at it. clear glass like jars uh yeah someone literally pulled up he's like what guys trying to make you can have a taste where like this is lavender oil and yep next week mounty showed up wow they were curious

it was cool i mean again it was they were like oh that's fine it's the same whenever a new like delivery driver comes up to our area and they see lavender and in the beginning they're like that's a lot of weed i'm like i would i mean that okay it's lavender and then Then they're like, oh, that makes a little bit more sense because if that was weed, I feel like this would be illegal. And I'm like 100% it is because who many plants? There's like 9,000 plants. You're only allowed for, I'm pretty sure. It's a couple too many.

Lavender is, it's a flower for the most part. I guess it would be the way to think about it. It's the reason I brought up the influential thing earlier is because it's a gorgeous purple color. Yeah. So I can picture it. I just do. Yeah. When they start, when they start flowering and everything like that,

everybody goes to get their their influence, their photos. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, big one, candles. I have a room spray. I have a soap. Yep, we got soap. We got some spray.

We do, I think what we like to do is, like, we take off, like, the dry buds and then put them into, like, little bags, and we just tell people, like, just put them in your laundry, put them in your, your, your cupboard, a small, fresh eye, I do it for, that's the one I probably do them, the easiest one. one, I think for our wedding, that's what we did as, like, gifts as well, just because all you got to do is squeeze it and it'll give you a nice little calming scent. I don't really smell it anymore because you got nose wine living here, but. Do you guys ship any of that stuff out, like any of the individual items, or is it all a farmer's market deal? For now, it's all

farmers market. I think we were, like, trying to figure out the price points of, like, running like an Etsy shop, for instance. But I think for, I mean, yeah, for now, the markets are good enough. Because we don't do it full time. We honestly, we don't spend enough time on it, mainly because we, like, have a almost two-year-old. And then for my in-laws are retired. So they're just taking it easy.

Just kind of just like a hobby in their backyard and it's something you guys kind of both spend a little bit of time on then? Yeah, I think, like, eventually I would love it for, like, if my wife can just quit our job and, like, focus on the farm full time. If we get it to a state where we can do a wedding, venue like wedding business during the year and then also the oils and all that stuff but no rush for that if it happens great we did our first wedding this summer and it all the vendors who first like saw saw a place for the first time like listen if you make people will come

like this is a good spot I was like oh this is great and then yeah I got excited I think I got a little too drunk that night and started making like I started trying to make deals that day. I was just like, do you want to be a preferred vendor? They're like, what do you mean? You don't even have a business. I was like, they put in the cart before the horse area. Oh, yeah. So I, so I actually, like the other day found like the, someone just slipped me all the names of all the vendors in their area. And I read, I was like, I have no idea what this is. And it took me a full day to find an email that I sent out to someone for me to connect the dots. So,

I'm a few months late on on that, but yeah. Is this one of the joke ones that you have large calves? No, I have Filipino calves. So, yeah, I do, I don't know. Like, I have... Oh, yeah, there they are, yeah. Yeah, so...

Are you wearing pants? I am wearing... I am wearing... I am wearing shorts, I guess, yeah. I am not wearing. Yeah, uh, yeah, I guess I think... it's like an Asian scale type

that Filipino folks have like big calves and I am often mistaken for a Filipino person but yeah the big calves is a thing because I think during one of I think it was like a half marathon race I'd had someone had a friend tap me on the shoulder

and all he said he's like I knew that was you from far because I recognized your calves so yeah so yes I do have calves yeah big calves yeah all right that'll make a lot of people jealous.

Okay. Used to be a city boy. Was that Toronto? Yep. Toronto? Yep. Born and raised. Yeah.

There's parts of it I love, but I think going there is the part I hate. Being there is fine. I will say, now that I've lived here for almost three years, every time I go back, I'm like, fuck this place. Yeah.

Like, it's just so busy. Like, don't get me wrong, I love being in Toronto like growing up it was perfect because I got every single type of food it just like now here in Nova Scotia I miss like that luxury but

it's not worth it for like the amount of freaking noise and just like we were working downtown we live downtown so it was go go go it wasn't until we moved here where I'm like oh I can breathe and like slow down that's that's a thing that is a huge difference between Nova Scotia

and almost all of Ontario Yeah. Yeah. I think one of the first times we were there, we were going to cross the street and a car stopped and we've just passed. And like from Ontario, you're like, you can do that. Yeah. Yeah. You don't just want to drive by and swear at pedestrians because they happen to be in your line of sight. Like you can just stop and none of the cars behind them honked. They were like, oh, they're letting people by. That's nice. Yeah. It, it, I will say that is, it's funny to talk about traffic because that is still probably one thing that I, there's too much Ontario and me Nova Scotia's like the complete opposite in terms of like they're so slow

and it doesn't help that we only have like back where we are single lane highways so you rush hour is like it's a joke here but if you're like

maybe six cars behind you that's rush hour and but there are legitimately some people who go dangerously slow so then you'll see like folks just cut them but

yeah it's a yeah I don't miss Toronto for the traffic it's just like the access to food and yeah and my family's there all you're getting out there is pizza slices and donnares uh yep

yep we we celebrated getting a Wendy's near us like that was a thing yeah yeah it used to be like the closest like Wendy's and Starbucks was like 45 minutes away that's just like how my reference for how city life is. Most Canadians are like that, yeah.

Yeah. Like, tomorrow is everywhere, but, yeah, they opened a wind, Wendy's nearby. But in classic Nova Scotia fashion, you're never going to get the first thing you order because they never have it. So the day we want for breakfast,

they told us they didn't have any eggs. Which, like, yeah. So we waited five minutes to get, for them to get eggs. But, yeah, that's the Nova Scotia, surprises as well. You'll never get your first or maybe even second choice when you go for when you order out. But yeah. All right. That's enough geography talk. I got one here that it might be one of your buddies being a smart ass for not. I'm not sure. Let you tell us. So back

in the day when I copied all his music and music and movies off his hard drive, I found a couple gym recordings of him singing Backstreet Boys. Dot, dot, dot. Oh, shit. Very passionate Oh shit I know who This was fucking Mick Yeah Oh shit Actually it might be

No they're still like Yeah Yeah it was a thing It's oh my god So why would you So you recorded yourself Because like you were into the music Or was it a bit like what was

It was not a bit It was I don't know Also were you like 15 Like I don't know Were you a kid I was in high school Definitely No reference of time

I was in high school Yeah that was in high school um yeah how old are you just so we can have a baseline of like when backstreet boys was actually popular i'm 37 now okay so yeah 36 a couple years younger than us so that they were i don't know i guess they would have still been really popular it was back in one like lip sync videos were like okay like not cringy you were going to be a tic-tock star yeah no i think i was i was just bored i was just bored and i was like fuck it i'll sing it record it and like the thing was I had

a forgotten that was on the hard drive and like I think I was given like my friends like my hard drive just to copy some and we kept trading stuff but he kept that and then I don't think he even knew he had it until like you probably stumbled on it like four years later that's the best

oh it got worse because when he found out the rest of my friend group did and then my other my one of my other friends he's a DJ so he you. You put it in the middle of a track. And I was like, dude, I was like,

he made a deal, delete it. I don't know if he ever did, but oh my God, yes. That 100%, yeah, 100% happened. I were at least, like, wasn't even just back street boys. I know for sure there's this one song. It's very vague.

It was by, it's called Going Crazy by Natalie and it's by like some like more obscure, like pop artists. That was the one song, I was like, if this one ever gets beyond just us, I'm going to kill you. They should have put it at your wedding.

Should have played it at the wedding. That was just the one. I was like, I don't care about the Baxter Boys. That one's whatever. That's going to still be funny, but, oh, my God. Yeah. Yes, that is true. I'm sure he could probably still find it if he still has a hard drive.

I might even still have it. We might need that for the, that. I haven't done much you and you content lately. So yeah. Give me that video, bud. We're going to try to dig it up. I see if I have it. Oh, boy.

Yeah. All right. So was your daughter born in Nova Scotia or in Ontario? Nova Scotia. And it was, oh, man, that weekend was, it was during the winter storm, like the worst winter storm that Nova Scotia had seen in, like, over a decade. And it happened, it happened that, like, I think my voice water broke out, like, 2 a.m. She woke me up. And it was one where they're like, oh, no, you got to come in right away.

but I was just like oh we still got time let me like clean the house a little bit no it was it was just go go go so we got up our stuff but it was like again a full on blizzard and I mentioned that we only have like single lane highways it was just driving in the center there was no visibility it took like an hour it normally takes an hour to get there I think it took us closer to two to get there

and when they when we got there they're like well we would normally send you back but no we can't so they just put us in like a private room until we had like an extra day before the whole process started uh so yeah that was yeah in nova scotia where they also don't bill you for anything it's a total crapshoot because i know in ontario once you have the kid you're out like get out no we were there for an extra like few days and then at some point they're like yeah you might or might not get an invoice from us like a couple weeks months down the line we're not exactly the best and then they'll stay for like another day and yeah we didn't get

invoices at all actually so yeah i yeah one of the main things stopping me from moving to nova scotia was the health care i mean yeah yeah don't get me wrong i don't have a family doctor still but we walk-in clinics that is the biggest biggest one but i think you run into that issue the second you just leave your province because you got to give up your doctor and you're just in a line or in a yep yep or just have a kid that's a cheat code that's how my wife has a doctor

oh yeah you would get the the guy I know right well no they just assign you one once you like if you like are pregnant in Nova Scotia and you don't have a doctor they by default just assign you and and the kid one awesome yeah so that was

it was funny because I was like oh I should be good too I called them they're like no we close your file you're actually not on the list I was like, no, no, no, no. I don't have one, so luckily they, like, backdated me back into the line. That's done. So,

yeah, still three years waiting for a doctor here, but I think we're getting close. I don't know. You had mentioned your wife there, so there's, you know, a burning question I want to ask. So, has she ever got that smudge of pain off her arm? Oh my gosh, you can.

Oh, my God. I can't believe she put that. I don't know what you're talking. What does that mean? Oh, shit. Okay, so that was like a story from our first date. So on her forum, she's got kind of like watercolor cell tattoos, but like there's a bunch of splotches that, again, watercolor, they look like paint. So the thing was, I had already seen them because we talked about it.

We met on Bumble, but like, yeah, kind of an hour into our first day, we're right along the, waterfront just kind of sitting by the rocks and like chatting and then out of the blue I'm just like oh yeah let's just walk to her next spot oh shit you should probably like you got to paint this much and I went to like grab you're like what the hell you're talking about and it was just like the tattoo

and yeah I forgot about that story but yeah that I was so like I don't know you got paint smudge like let me get it off nope it was it was a tattoo that I had already seen but yeah oh that makes it even better you knew it was there I knew it was there, but yeah, for like, yeah, oh my God, I can't.

I forgot about that. You messed up something, right? Because how long have you been together? Holy crap. This would be seven. Is it seven? Eight? There you go.

Eight, yeah. Two years. Yeah, eight years and then two years, two years of getting married. Nice. Yeah, my math is all over the place. Too many dates. We are not big math here, as we like to say. And also, brother, we are not.

not professional. That's true. Let's see. Well, you want to, we, we think we're game time, give or take,

ain't we? Yeah, yeah, it's 830. You want to do a little FMK? Yeah, I'll hit him with that. All right.

FMK, you got to pick one to F, one to M, and one to K. Your lavender farm. Moving to Nova Scotia or your potential home gym.

Oh, I, oh, this is easy. Wait, when we say moving to Nova Scotia, you know, I'm going to kill moving to Nova Scotia, only for the actual move itself, because I would never do that ever again, ever, like we shipped, we put all of our boxes into, like, the U-Haul boxes two weeks before we're going to, so it was a total crap shoot, and then between, and then we packed up everything else in our, our jeep and took it was an 18 hour drive but like we spread it across two days with our dogs and that drive was like it's not as bad as driving for like three-month-old but it was every three hours we're going to let the dogs piss and they do not they're very selective and like that trip was just annoying on us own and then to show up and we didn't even get our boxes in time so we had to we pretty much just had like whatever was in our jeep And that, yeah, that just logistically planning that type of drive was so annoying.

And we lived in a condo. So like those U-Haul boxes, I had to like ship them to a U-Haul center, rent a U-Haul truck from another U-Haul place, and driving in downtown, trying to move like, literally the, it was maybe two kilometers, Keith, which in downtown driving, you know, is 15 to 20 minutes, even though it shouldn't be. So I would definitely kill that and killed the move. I would, I guess, fuck my home gym because I think right now I'm still pursuing it. So that and then marry you the lavender farm because it's just pure relaxation and again, why we move. Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah.

Good deal. Well, I got a little Mount Rushmore for you. So you're going to give you a topic and you got to kind of figure out the top four of said topic. let's go with, I hear you're a big fan of reality TV shows. So hit me with the four best all-time reality TV shows. They can be 20-year runners or just, you know, ones that only lasted a couple of seasons. What do you got?

Oh, okay, yeah. Okay, so I think my Survivor is always my first one. Just because it's, I tell everyone, if you, like, just watch Big Brother or Survivor. you can apply it to work because they teach you a thing too about like how you should manage your relationships so big brother

I mean catfish is two 90 day fiancee is three and then you said we said Survivor and then you mentioned Big Brother so I'm so I mix them up as the like the two of like but I'll put yeah just Survivor Big Brother

I don't watch as much and then number four I actually want to put a deep cut I think it's called Beauty and the Geek was it? That was like two seasons I think it was like Australian Beauty and the Geek which was they paired like

exactly what it was really hot attractive women and like super nerdy guys and just let them interact and it was hilarious back in the day like just like don't get wrong

some of like the geeks like definitely like leveled up but it was just that Back in they, when just kind of reality TV, they didn't really have any standards, it was, yeah, it was hilarious. But yeah, I think those, but those can literally change at any point. I watch way too much reality TV. Give me a quick one of Jamaican patty brands in Toronto. You know, so funny, I don't go by brands, we go by stations and like...

Of course, yeah. I mean, Warden Station is, is... probably the one that everyone kind of goes to Kennedy I probably I usually get mine from from Warden Station Paddies is probably

the closest one and then my mom picks up a shop I forgot the name of the spot I couldn't that one's a tough one I couldn't name for France it was just in there and I wanted to see Keith do you know what a Jamaican patty is I mean I'm gathering a burger of some sort it's potentially

I think the best way to explain it is a hot pocket filled with mince meat roti and curry they are awesome yeah yeah interesting and it is like in Toronto it is like territorial like it

it's like a chicken so it's like a chicken bake yeah it's uh yeah when we go back so like when I mentioned all those stations those are all like subway stations where there is a random shop that sells patties

uh but yeah that that for the longest time was kind of like depending where you are on the subway line you would have like a designated spot I was nowhere close to any of the stations I mentioned I just just would go there just for that but yeah

I have one last thing and the additional info I'm curious if this is just a jab at you or some of your material was related to this but it was it's poised as ask Will about his stint in comedy which we already kind of did and then it specifically says ask him about his shortcomings.

Oh my God, this was freaking Jan. Is this a dick joke somehow? It was a dick joe. I definitely had like multiple dick jokes in like in my sets because like yeah, I don't,

I don't, he always, it's funny, I really appreciate that he still remembers that because I don't know what the punchline was. He just remembers shortcomings. Like I don't remember what the setup was, but that was yeah,

that was, yeah, Yeah, he was reminding me of that. But I don't remember the setup for that joke. He just knows it. Yeah. Oh, good. I'm assuming your mom was in the list of people that submitted?

No. No? So what is this? He's my only Asian son and I'm proud of him. And someone said they adopted you. Yeah, yeah. That was a... I was like, are you adopted?

Like, how do we... Yeah, so like, I told you... I don't even know what the origin of that is, but the running joke with whoever submitted that, that would be Matt. He's that one guy I talk to every summer. He's my gambling things. But I think in high school,

I don't know how it got to this, but him and another friend of mine became my adopted parents. So like from then on, I've just, yeah, we're the same. I'm older than him. But yeah, I've literally just, the joke is, yeah, I call him dad. That's it. I'm not surprised you put that but yeah I am his only Asian son which is

funny because his best friend is also Asian or like one of his other friends is Asian it's I am because it came up so many times I was like because usually I delete the list of who submitted because like it doesn't it doesn't show me who submitted what so I don't care who submitted but on a personal note

you got diagnosed at ADHD for age 35. Did you submit that? Yeah. I did, yeah. Okay. As somebody who is seeking that diagnosis, what can I expect? Do you, so like for for myself, I went through, I went through like an online. Again, I don't have a doctor.

So I just went through, I forgot the name of the platform. But yeah, it was pretty simple. They'd like connect you. They'd make you do a bunch of like initial online search. just to see if you hit all the markers. If you do, then you set up, like, a actual call with, like, a nurse, a practitioner. They go through, again, all of your analysis,

do more in-depth questions, kind of go through, and if you fit the belt, they kind of present you, like, the various, like, medication options. And they start you off at, like, 20 milligrams, like the lowest dose you'll do that for two weeks, have a call, do another two weeks of a different dose, decision, then you kind of get somewhere in the middle. So I'm at that stage where, yeah, I probably get a check-in every, I don't know, like two,

three months now. But, yeah, it was, it has definitely helped. But I was also one of those people that, everyone's like, you have it. And then when I, I guess, like, I don't go to the, I didn't go to the doctor for any of that. And, like, I don't think my parents, like, it's probably an Asian culture was in a thing for sure. So I just assumed whatever I had or was just the norm until someone told me, that's not how, like, your brain works and all that stuff. Yeah. So I highly recommend it. Like, my wife also just recently started ADHD meds as well. And I can tell you her story. The first, of her first

day, she's like, the first day she took it, she had dropped off her daughter, came back, and she's like, my head is clear. And I was like, that's a good thing, right? She's like, yes. Yeah, I did the self-assessment. I've just been waiting to hear back, so it sounds like I need to reach out and make them hear back from me. Yeah. One thing I've heard is when you start the medication, caffeine, and alcohol actually work on you.

Did you notice that? Yeah, yeah. I would say, like, by force of habit, I could drink, like, I could drink energy drinks before bed. Yep. not so much I am looking forward to that because it's like

I had an energy at 2 p.m. today and then I was like I'll still be in bed as soon as we hang up this call oh oh like I think the first like again you have to kind of bounce but like my first I remember like my first week I have never been locked in I was locked

in for like I took it at 8 from like 930 to like 2 I was just and that never happens I am but yeah I was just locked in it. It was a non-meeting date.

And the only reason I even, like, stop was a delivery game. Or also, I could have probably wanted for, like, another hour or so. Nowadays, I'm, like, not, like, I probably couldn't do, like, four or five hours straight. But it at least, like, gets me to, like, three hours. And then if I take a break or I know some folks, like, have a top up, I'm not at that stage yet. But, yeah, it gets me, yeah, past, like, throughout the, like, throughout the, workday, which is, I didn't, couldn't do that before. But yeah, sensitivity to caffeine for sure also is the thing.

Yeah, I've heard that. And like I said, I'm kind of looking forward to because I had a coffee after my workout the other day. And that was the first time I have actually felt caffeine. And I'm at work vibrating. And I was like, is this what other people go through when they have this? Like, I've, caffeine has never affected me. So I kind of want to like learn what it does.

My one friend at work, he said, if you have ADHD, do you have that thing where you start something and then lose interest and start something else? And I was like, I might have ADHD, which is autistic hyperactive disorder, because I start something and I see it through at all costs. And so, like, we don't know if it's ADHD or something else, but like... Well, it could be. I mean, like, I find, so, like, I, but, like, I do find, like, I either, it's one or the two. It's either I hyper-focus and, like, go all in and go to completion or like...

Completion. Or I don't. Or I just, like, started last a week and... This sucks. It's gone. Yeah, exactly. I'm not good at it right away. I don't want to do it anymore.

Yeah. Thank you for sharing with that. Again, something I've spoken openly about here. My child, we had his, we had an appointment with his pediatric today. Oh, he also has hand and foot, so... Oh, you're... How was your kid, like, two? Six. He got to six without it.

Good for him. Your daughter's like two, right? Saga will be four in December. Oh, four, okay. We're not looking forward to her getting it. Oh, yeah, I am, I'd like to hear those stories because, like, like, pilots turning two in February. So I'm like, oh, I still got time. But, yeah, I'm not looking forward to the sick days.

He went through first and second grade with just like basic, like, colds. Not first, second, JKSK, so junior kindergarten, junior kindergarten, senior kindergarten, and almost got nothing, right? Like, we just got the basic colds we got, but then the usual season and stuff, yeah. Yeah, and then, like, here he is grade one,

boom, hand foot and mouth. And then sagas in junior kindergarten, which is the first level of school, get the email from the school, a child in your class has lice. That's lice, yep. Yeah, and it's just like, ah, like how did we get through so long

without any of this? and now we're getting all of it. Saga did not get lice. As you can see, I still have my beard. Oh, right. For they did not enter the home. We were checking her like chimpanzees. Every night she came home, we were just like,

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All right. Unpaid or underrated will, we have this game where we hand select up to six specific topics for you and you're going to use some druthers and you're going to go through and you're going to describe if it's unpaid, which some people would consider that overrated because no one's to be. unpaid, or if it's underrated, which would be pretty awesome. So looking for direct unpaid or underrated

answers. So number one here for you. Unpaid or underrated scavenger hunts using sticky notes in a yearbook. That look of embarrassment. Oh, it made me happy. Oh, I'm happy. It's not a poop story, but it looked like one. I know

who wrote this. This is Eileen. I will say it is underrated. Sh! Yeah. So the context of that was, this is Eileen. I had a crush on her in high school. I think it was probably like grade 11 or grade 12, probably. But I decided that, you know how you sign your yearbooks? I took it a stuff. I think I took it for the day. And I spent a couple of hours making like a little scavenger hoe throughout the yearbook. And I used post and I think the end was like, I have a crush on you or something like that. oh god oh god but yes i think it's underrated because i put a lot of effort and time into it but she would tell you otherwise all right unpaid or underrated dance battles oh definitely we heard you used to tear it up i mean oh yeah i'd say underrated because i mean

screw it like just have fun with the dance battle but that one was yeah it was a christmas party and they say I probably pulled out the worm but I think upon review it was closer to a flopping fish but yes down down, I was down yeah that that Chris

All right let's wait what I want to finish with one I mean I'll do two more okay so I just added like a thousand I'll do yeah I'll do a couple he's giving us quick answer so we're good with that um Taylor Swift

but only her country you know her like first like three years or whatever before she got a poppy or more poppy like when she was still country pop not pop pop pop I mean I'd say I say now definitely underrated because so I was a huge show

as a fan up until I don't know when but at one point I even named my car Tay as a as an inside joke. It was the summer. So I,

there was, it was an inside joke. So I named it, like I named it Taylor Swift because I had gone in an impreza, but not a WRX at the time, just a regular impreza does a job. And it was a summer where she had that beef with Kanye and Kim, and they had,

like, called their fake. So my running joke was I'm going to name my impreza, Tay, Taylor Swift, whatever, because she's white and fake, because everyone just assumed I had, of WRX. But yeah, I am underrated for her

her more initial country albums. So yes, underrated. Right. Unpaid or underrated. Let's go, Vince Carter. Oh. No, this is, I'm going to still say underrated. I know Toronto

does not like him as much, but... Because he left or... Well, I mean, the way he left is still going to, like, he gave up on the team. He, he, he, he quit on the team because, like, when he did in New Jersey right after was just, and I'll still remember that one game, like,

one of the first games he had that freaking dunk, but he will always be Air Canada to me. I had his first pair of shoes. I went to his basketball camp. Uh, yeah, underrated, Vince Carter always. Nice. Okay. I guess

it's my turn. Um, let's go with one that was submitted. Unpaid or underrated. unwrinkled t-shirts unwrinkled t-shirts what is a condo I have no clue

and folded socks you say enfolded socks yeah oh I actually know I think I know the context so I'm going to say like you said unwrinkles they're overrated just because of the way I like I think this might have been how I pack

for for just like travel I like do like army style and just squeeze everything into like a tight back, which means all my shirts will be wrinkled out of it. Screw it, yeah. Just screw it. I mean,

do you do the thing where you fold the sock like in each other and create a little ball? I do do that, yes. I can't do that because I'm always worried it's going to damage the elastics after time. All my socks are folded. I don't know what that meant. We'll describe it. How do you fold it? But you put the heel on the heel, the toe on the toe,

and you just fold them in half. Yeah, but then how can you, like, throw them into the dresser drawer from across the room? He doesn't. He doesn't. I don't. I walk them over and place them.

Yeah, that sounds. That just gave me a panic attack. Because my wife, when we first got together, she'd always fold my socks, and I was like, you're going to need to stop that. Like, that's, you're going to work my socks. So it's funny, I used to fold my socks, and my wife was the one who does balls.

And I was like, oh, this actually, this is kind of easy. And I like to shoot them into the bin as well. Of course. Of course. All right. I do have a couple that are going to be Canadian-specific. If they don't ring, they don't ring. You might have to explain some of them to 67% of our listeners. Sure. And you feel free to go as fast or as long as you want, because I do have a lot of them. Yeah. Go. Unpaid or underrated, the pathway in Toronto. Oh, definitely underrated. You can be a mole.

person in that path. Like I only began to like discover it when I first like started working in Toronto. I didn't,

I did not know how far you can go. But yeah, during the winter time I used to spend 20 minutes walking outside in the cold

and I realized I own that outside walk could be two minutes. Yep. So totally underrated. Do you want to describe the pathway?

I like the pathway it is crazy it like it connects like a one of the biggest malls you can access like eaten center and it do you just call food court an eating center no eating center the eatans I was like okay because I was like that can't be something you fucking say right eating center it like connects all the major like business buildings in like downtown well I say like majority of them and all of the subway stations as well. So you could theoretically walk from subway station and subway station underground. And it covers

pretty much like a huge chunk from like downtown essentially. Yeah. There are stores. There are businesses. There are restaurants. Like the pathway is And there are some that are even directly connected to if you're lucky enough

the condo, hence the mole. There are some people legitimately like during wintertime. They don't, if they don't want to go out, they don't have to. Like, you couldn't do everything. It's wild. Unpaid or underrated. Speaking of the Eaton Center, the bottom floor of the Eaton Center.

I think it's where the food court is. It's... You know what? I think that's unpaid. The place is like... They've, like, spruce it up, but... Yeah, whatever. I don't know. It's a place I could go to the least, to be honest, because, like, I

like even Ian said it's just too much people and like that place is just food it's a nice like they actually it's gotten really nice of the court itself but no no screw that screw the bottom floor it's the hassle we'll get there too unpaid or underrated getting away from Toronto stuff

Ronnie Cheng I love Ronnie Chechette I know me too love Ronnie Ched he is he's an Asian comedian I've he nails it he was in a he's been a lot but he was in crazy rich Asians as well

yeah yeah he is he's good he's what on daily show or was yeah yeah I've always liked him totally underrated yeah he's funny dude yeah unpaid or underrated I'm still going pizza corner in Halifax I haven't never been oh okay

never been I don't I was like I have not I'm up I've only seen it from the influencers I'll say I'm paid I will say I'm paid just because I've only been to Halifax a handful of times and why do I need to go to Halifax

I'm from Toronto I love Halifax don't get around but like Halifax is gorgeous it's just it is it is so much like but like to me I think of the city just for food and so one of the cool things about Halifax

that you learn is Halifax is obsessed with death and yes so there's a big cemetery that actually goes almost underneath all of downtown Halifax but some of it's accessible

but the rest of it goes like under all the buildings that's why they can't demolish the old library so they built the new library but they can't take down the old one because there's too many dead bodies under it but in that cemetery is General Ross

General Ross General Ross was the general of the British army that burned down the White House and he has a big plaque and a big tombstone and there's a big story about how he died in the Caribbean

demanded to be buried on British soil which at the time Halifax was British soil so they shipped him up in a rum barrel and it is said that some of his closest mates drank that rum they shipped him to preserve them. So General Ross is like the coolest thing to visit in Halifax because also, you know, just a ton of history.

Unpaid or underrated. I love it. Yeah. He would. He's a resident history professor. Last one, I'll get you unpaid or underrated people from high school. Oh. I mean, I love my people.

So it's definitely underrated for sure. hell yeah I mean some of the but then you're like including all the other ones that you didn't like I'll interject here so you have to include like everyone in the entire school that you were there with

and like the over no no I think that I think that's I would still say underrated because it's still the same like yeah like I mean I'm sure my high I could probably had a better high school experience but like it's

those people who made it like the reason why it was good so yeah but yeah oh man all the other people too it is pretty funny because i think we we think about every so often we will do the let's just look at our yearbook and try to figure out where everyone is that's probably the time where it might get not as underrated i'm just i think i think i've been graduating class was like 400 or some shit probably maybe even 500 so and i think i'm facebook friends with probably two-thirds of of them. And it's just like, how many times you've been married? Like, how many kids do you have? Like, but then there's also people that are like grandparents

too. It's wild. Like, there's people that are like my age having kids and there's people my age having grandkids. Oh, that's. And it's just like, wow, you're like, we're in her 40. We're in our old in our late 30s, early 40s. And it's just like the different dichotomy is there. It's just like, wow what some people are getting into. Whereas some people are like retiring almost if they've got 20 years in like military or police or something. Yeah. I, I can't say that like I think actually like when I think about my

class, nobody went too far. Like we're all like in the same vicinity of like job and like career life stage. Like there are a couple of folks who yeah I know somebody. I think they played in the CFL

or something. Like we have a couple of folks who maybe went pro but everyone or just run out of the mill. You know what's funny is about my high school, I went to two high schools and the one that I went to for the last, because up here we had a grade 13 at the time. Oh, right, right. So I did grade 12 and 13 at a different high school.

None of them became football players, but a lot of them became cheerleaders. So that was, it's like, you're like, oh, some of them are in the CFL. Yeah, some of my cohort was too. Yeah. Yeah, I can't like, I'm trying to. I think that was like a question. when we are close to like or whatever year reunion we're like who is like the most

notable or popular person and we couldn't figure it out because we're all just like oh none of us like that person is a doctor or whatever but like yeah we're just average people awesome well you passed on paid and underrated thanks for playing oh great no I love it god damn some of them were good callbacks from the folks

uh it's your turn Do you have anything for us? I do. So, Kiefe, you, so my first one was for Keefe, I think a couple episodes ago, you mentioned you don't rewatch things, like movies and stuff. I mean, to a limited, I mean, I will, but not like,

it's, it's not like the piece thing that people get where they just rewatch the same show. Like I, you know, because there's, I, but I think a lot of that goes into the fact that I've, like, I track all my shit on IMBD, and I have 200 shows that I haven't watched yet that I want to watch. movies that I haven't. So it's more that, like, I'm obsessed with continually growing my watch list.

Right. Okay. Yeah, because I was going to say, like, now I'm just curious, like, what is the, like, if you're trapped on an island, what is the one movie, one show you would watch? Because I'm like, if I can. I mean, it's not that I don't enjoy. I just, like I said, I, there's so much out there. I don't want to limit myself to the same. And I think part of it, too, it's like, if I'm going to. or remember, like, if we're talking 10 years, sure, I can rewatch something every 10 years.

But, like, I don't get, like, I don't, I don't just put the office on every night. Like, like, so many other people do just because it's their comfort show. Like, that would almost annoy me because it's like, I've got better stuff to do, I guess, than watch something I watched six months ago. Yeah, but if you didn't have that. I mean, actually, it's funny that Will brings that up. I'm probably, if music comes up in these notes, I'm going to add the, uh, the, the, the Desert Island album.

I want to add that to the initial games. Because somebody asked me that the other day, and I was just like, fuck, I think I'm going to think of two. Because I'm the same way with music, where I'm just constantly looking for something new. I have my go-to bands and everything that, like, when I'm feeling it, I go for them, but I'm always searching for something. I think for music, I'm the same way as Keith. So I'm going to start adding that maybe into one of the games is, you know, ask about metal, ask about country, ask about hip-hop. Okay, what's your, you know, three Desry Island bands? Yeah, yeah, no.

Yeah. I mean, the question could be same for you. Like, what is like your one? Because I think, Keith, you made a point that, like, strikes me, like, even for me at a certain stage, I stopped doing the office stuff because I'm like, I could recite this. Why don't I just put something on that maybe I haven't seen? And the only time I'll put on the office is if I know I can't put dedicated attention to it. That's the only time I'll put something comfort on. But yeah, I get what you mean about, like, expanding, just trying to collect them all. I just, I like consuming media. I don't know. I just enjoy being entertained and just seeing new experiences, I guess. Oh, did you watch the task?

I did. I was, I watched that every week. Did you watch the finale? Yeah, well, I wouldn't say it was a letdown, but it was kind of the HBO thing where like the second to last episode is like the climax that is like the big battle scene. Then you have an epilogue. Yeah, but it's just like... No, full tears. Full tears during that speech at the end.

Yeah, that one got made for sure. I just, I don't know. I wouldn't say it could have been shorter or it could have been different. I just, I, oh, it was really enjoyable. And I think there's a chance that it might actually get a follow-up. It was definitely a mini-series, but I was, I literally listened to like a follow-up podcast on it the other day. And they were talking about how, like, it was entered into the end of the year awards as a, the best drama or something, not a mini-series. so like making people think

that it might not be a miniseries and that wasn't in that category because I could see Tom and the the one woman that he was with him at the end of the episode just those two kind of being like a buddy cop thing in the next season or something without giving spoilers away

hopefully but task was good thanks well sorry to hijack that one no you're good I have one more question but I'm not sure if you guys can answer how familiar you guys with Pokemon

I play Pokemon go. Oh, I was going to, so like one of the questions that came up recently at work was I got a Pokemon tattoo over there, like last weekend, it was just sporadic. I went to like a tattoo convention and we weren't expecting to get anything but my wife within five minutes just was like, yeah, I'll go get that. So I walked to another shop and the first thing I saw was like this little side duck. bath thing. If you ever watched like Spirited Away

yeah so like the you know the bath ducks the yeah so they just she did the artist did like a reference to that but had all side ducks and so I got that and the question was what is like the what is

the Pokemon version of you if you had to choose one because in my friend group we know which one is me so I'm curious to see again if you knew about Pokemon if you had one but yeah but I guess you guys don't know Pokemon

so that might not be as helpful yeah yeah I used to watch the cartoon as a kid briefly I remember like there was like a one year thing in like sixth grade or something it was on before I went to go catch the bus

and I just remember the little Bigotchu like his ass lighting up and shooting fucking lightning yeah yeah the extent of it I don't I don't have there's just so many

yeah because I'm going through my list now in Pokemon Go and it's like I'm going through my polka decks here and there's I actually called a polka decks yes that would have been good if you had come up with that one

I was gonna give you credit so like yeah mine I'm not sure if you have collective but my living embodiment Pokemon is like polywhirl which is like the middle so like it's the middle Pokemon but the the final evolution form it's like some

ripped like water Pokemon I'm not like that the middle one is like he's kind of bigger and yeah so Poly Whirl evolves into Polly Rath or Politoad depending on how you

Oh yeah I forgot about that That is beyond my Yeah it wouldn't Maybe much hopped like no Okay hold on Hold on I'm gonna go with slow bro That's a good one

That's a good I like that one Yeah All right Geez I haven't opened that I've been days Is that all you have for us?

I think I feel like I had another one But it's still in my mind So yeah We'll keep it with those two Dope fresh Fresh and clean Well this was a good time

Will I believe I think did you always say we could air it yet I don't remember if we said that or not but we Yes, yeah, we've passed. We recorded this one, yeah,

so we're good. Is it? Yeah, I get that little red flash going on. Yeah, we've been, uh,

big will on the way out. Anywhere they want you to, anywhere you want them to find you and, uh, your family's website and any of that good stuff. Yeah. You can find me on Instagram, Wilchow underscore underscore in that CHAU for my last name.

Uh, and then Blooming Bay Lavender for our family. Lavender farm. Do I follow the farm? We're about to find out. I don't know. I know. I think you might. You follow me. Maybe. Well, why Joey figures that out, I'll hit you with where you can find us.

We got an Instagram. It's unpaid, underrated podcast. We've got a website where Nate does a little bit of work sometimes. Unpaid Internpodcast.com. There is a YouTube. I am Keith Honeycutt 73. More importantly, go follow me on Instagram at the no wine cellar. And where are you at, Joey? Joey underscore Malesco. I'm L-E-C-Z-K-O on the Instagrams or Discord, which a lot of people are reaching out on now, too. so I'm at Big Joey. I'm bad about looking on Discord because I get message, like message requests don't show up on my phone

and I like never look at Discord and when I do it's like, oh, I've got like six unopened messages. Like, oh, I'm sorry. Me too, my bad. It's like I'll get to those at some point, maybe. And it's completely stupid. 30 second side rant.

I go into my Instagram messages, or not Instagram, Discord messages on my way to cams or, you know, the day before, whatever, it's irrelevant. And there's one from New Crew, stevo okay so he's like

hey have you gotten your massonomics stuff yet since the strike ended and I'm like just talking him like we do on Discord I'm like if you got big

in front of your name I'm gonna talk to you like I know you already but I don't so I start talking to him and I'm like hey where are you and he's in Burlington

where I work and I was like you're in Burlington and I'm like do you want to come to this crew meetup and I'm like I'll check with Cam

to make sure it's okay and he was like, I got a thing that day but like any other like let me know in advance and I'm in and I was like hey by the way

do you shop at the Costco there and he's like yeah and I was like you and I have totally crossed me I spent nine years

working at that Costco at the cell phone booth he's like I don't buy my phones at Costco and I don't know why and I was like well you know

that aside then you would have met me if you did but there's like a 99% chance me and this guy have been 10 feet from each other

you guys have You might have even been saying it at the urinal sneezing at the same time. Yeah, exactly. All right. So again, check your messages. And until next time. See you next Tuesday.