Unpaid And Underrated - 130 : The Yips (ft. Big Matt)

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Matt. They dive right into great topics like recording lifts, transplants, metal, spreadsheets, math, and doilies. Links Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab (https://www.massenomics.com/shop/unpaid-underrated-tee) Get Your Own Keith Head (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/articles/keith-head) Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast (https://www.instagram.com/unpaid.underrated.podcast/) Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/) On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast) Our Guest On Instagram @transplant_athlete (https://www.instagram.com/transplant_athlete/) Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 (https://www.instagram.com/keithhoneycutt73/) or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar (https://www.instagram.com/thenowhinecellar/) @joey_mleczko (https://www.instagram.com/joey_mleczko/) Special Guest: Big Matt.

guess how many mats we've had on the podcast all of them well no no like a literal number of separate individual mats we're on episode 162 or something like that no it's like 129 or 130 no fuck me it's less than i thought but it was still a lot it was only eight well so when i just i just and that's that's a guess because i just went to the google doc and just typed in mat and like seven search just came up so it should be accurate Or maybe eight, maybe eight came up, including him. But either way, I thought it was going to be like, I thought 12, 10, 12 would have been accurate, but it is, because it is a lot of mats, though. I think it's got to be the highest repeat. Like, I don't think there's another name that's, I don't think it's possible. There's another name that's been on more times than a mat, though. You know, everybody just needs fake names like Gary. Matt Sanchez is listening, I think.

There's always some mat somewhere. And welcome back to episode 96 of the unpaid and underrated podcast, a podcast by crew for crew. I'm one of your host, Big Keith, joined as always here by Big Joey. Six, seven. God, I end. Oh, my God. We are recording at least. And we have one of the mats this week.

I was doing some quick math. I want to say it's the eighth Matt we've had on the podcast, but don't quote me on that, but somewhere in that round. Big Matt Cave, how you doing, buddy? Good, thanks. Keith, how are you doing? I'm wonderful.

I'm wonderful, my friend. Today's my Friday, so I'm very, very happy. Matt, you drinking anything special over there? I have got a classic refrigerator here as well. Pepsi Max. Now, what's a, what's, So what's a max about a Pepsi? I don't think I've seen that.

So, yeah, I think it's just different branding here in the UK. I think you guys would have a Pepsi Zero. It's a big of a Coke zero right. Yeah, low calories, zero calories, some kind of artificial sweetener of some sort, good deal. Certainly is, yeah. Gotcha. I've just got a purple waterloo. I'm going to, yeah, grape, but purple works.

Purple's a fruit. Lavender. I got a lavender water, though. Lavender's a fruit, according to Keith. Paul, back. what what what what colors lavender will the color lavender dumbass yeah pretty much

lavender invented purple you didn't know that oh purple deep cut well I got to turn the heat down it's roast no you gotta bring the heat like Tanner for episode something through something

yeah I'm excited for episode 500 to see what that is it's just like what's it gonna be we get the old premiere We don't know what it's going to, are you guys going to, I know we're jumping ahead here, but just because we brought it up the episode 500, what is it,

it's 6 p.m. our time, maybe, 7 p.m. our time, and then. According to the Discord. Yeah, yeah, I hope fingers crossed. That's what it is. I'll just be eyeball on that. But say that, I'll be there first where they actually, like, now I'm curious if they're going to want to funnel the chats to YouTube or to Discord or some asshole is going to be trying to figure it how to chat in Zoom, I'm sure.

It's not even on Zoom and people opening Zoom. Like, what's happening? How do I chat in Zoom? I want to chat in Zoom. Any guesses? Anybody of what episode 500 will be? It's supposed to be alive, or it was recorded at a destination,

and I guess about the extent of what we know. Nope, I saw a shed. Yeah, that's basically when we saw a big blue sky. That's about it. All right, well, we will all, you know, tune in here in a few days and figure that one out. Um, anyway, picking up with a drop from last week that's, they're wearing tonight because I got a little, uh, bench heavy on the comfort colors. I'm kind of a fan.

I feel like it's a slightly, I don't know, I swear, I swear, I know they're the same blank. They literally are the same blank, but every comfort color, just like the other ones, it's just a hair different. Like this one's, it just feels thinner, which isn't a bad thing. But I also, it could have just been, I got it right fresh out of the dryer. So maybe it was just more tumbled. So, I don't know, but it's good. I like the logo. I like the design on black.

Um, very happy. What do they call that one that's not black? Like, I know comfort colors doesn't like... I'm sure it's charcoal or something. I haven't, like, I haven't gone on comfort colors, though, yeah. Black adjacent, I don't know. I'm not touching that one. But yeah, I'm, I enjoy it.

I got the zip-up too. I tried it on briefly. I think it'll be good. It's lightweight, so it's not something I'd wear in, like, January, but it's be good fall for sure. Good for the fall. No, I don't wear zip-ups, so... Yeah.

I try not to. we all over that last week I think yep what about you did you pick anything up Matt I didn't I really like the look

that bench heavy one but I always put a bit of a fraud suggesting I bench heavy because I'm not in that camp same yeah I mean you could just

if you own a heavy bench does that count like if you just have like a beefy like flat bench and you're yeah I do that's I mean that's bench and heavy like you are a heavy bench Just tape it to my bench

So I don't actually have to wear it Yeah It's a fair assessment Good call You wearing something fancy over there Matt Which one's that It's a good one Yeah

I'm wearing the same as Joey It looks like Oh we got some The Twins On that Yeah Yeah Yeah buddy lightweight twin shirt

Yeah buddy Good deal Good shirts Here Nate hit us with the In the Twins And the Twins Nice um let's see the youtube video that came out this week big mo i'm it was a long long long

format walking podcast i know i got the chance to watch it anybody else no no so it was good definitely put it in your watch list i mean if if you're into the youtube tour videos there it's a good one and i've i've i think i've interacted with mo like six times in real life so it's like yeah you literally watch it like a good friend on camera and like three good buddies just shoot the shit for 45 minutes. So it's like, I don't know, I'll always be a fan of consuming that data. Yeah, it's a good excuse for me to watch it, but I just need time. We did get a nice little unpaid shout out.

I meant to, I tie. There's times where like I'm watching a YouTube video, I'm like, ooh, this is about us. I want to clip it, but I just like, I don't have time to do anything with it. So I just screenshot the timestamp, and then I'll go back to it. So ideally tomorrow I get a chance to get back on YouTube and screen record that and throw it up because they, I guess Moe was the last person. He, like, coined the last person to get a custom. banner from plate snacks before

Plate Snacks put our banner on the actual website as a clickable link because there had been like a dozen people that had bought them over like the previous year and it was always very frustrating because they DM'd me, I had to DM him and then it was like emailing back and forth so like I was involved on like a half

dozen to a dozen transactions that were like all right, can you please just put this on the website because we've got to prove a concept here. It's already been proven so good stuff. It's most generally one with lots of homemade kit as well I thought I remember that

Yeah his dad's a big woodworker Mo's you know Did a little bit of himself too But I think his dad made the majority of the homemade stuff I think it was a He had like a wooden rack that he actually used I think during COVID or maybe his mom used it And then his dad building one when he left his previous job

Or something but yeah Watch the video and he'll tell you all about it But he did have some really cool stuff like He had some homemade tricep dip bars which were basically like saw horses essentially for like doing but like that's what they looked like but they were like nice and beefy and then he was able to he built like a seal robe specifically just a plank to go on top of that that he could do seal rows off of and kind of multi-purposes already existing homemade stuff so very nifty he knows what he's doing over

there and I knew that he was a was a strength coach previously at the college there but I think he was like he said it was like 18 years that he was like the head strength coach before he pivoted and getting into like his current field So I'm sure I knew that time at one point, but it was just like, wow, it was a, it was a big pivot, like almost almost 20 years in a field and then kind of completely do something different. But good for him for someone at his age to be able to pick up a new skill at his accelerated age. Wow. Wow. He's really only like a decade older than me, but it's okay.

I think I'll always be like, somewhat early as only only be like a couple days older than you can make fun of how old they are. So it's, there's always someone older than you. Oh, yeah, I once dated a girl that was like six months older than me, and I called her a cougar for the entire relationship. Someone like you would do that. I put obituary in the show notes, or then I had to put in parentheses, not morbid. It kind of goes back to, yeah, I didn't want you to see obituary and be like, who the fuck died? I just assumed you suddenly got into death metal. No, no, it was, so you guys see the poll I put up yesterday or maybe two days ago, whatever it was, it was like, we'll mask.

It was essentially their episode 500's coming out. So then it was like, damn, they've done this for, I mean, it's essentially a decade. Like, it's the closest number you can get to. It's 10 years of podcasting from like zero to 500. So I pose the question of will they make it to a thousand episodes, which is another decade. And then like that puts us all like in our 50s and our 60s and some of the kids in their 40s. Like maybe a couple people would only still be in their late 20s. But no, I don't think everyone would be in their, pretty much everyone that we talked to would be in their 30s.

Big Clayton will show up at like 20. Yeah. 24. For the most part, like everyone would be 30, 40, 50, 60 is somewhere in that realm. So it's just like a, and we're already, there's already a bunch of us that have been around for several years. You know, four or five, six years, you know, well, I mean, four years is the elite crew right now. But then, like, there's been people that have been following massonomics and it's been a part of their life well before that. So my whole premise of that was kind of like, I think if I have an obituary, like, if I, God forbid, died, like, next month,

or something, like, there's no way that, uh, specifically unpaid and underrated, because this is what we've done, but, like, even massonomics would probably have to be mentioned in my obituary because it's been that, like, influential in the last, like, four or five years of my life. Um, and I just thought that was kind of cool to think about, like, the community that we're a part of. And I don't think I'm the only one that would, like, more than likely if, like, their spouse had to write their obituary out of the out of the blue tomorrow, there's probably a large handful of people that would have, it might have been referenced their online

lifting community of friends or something, but like there's no way that like this is, I don't know, I just feel that this, this community is a big part of, I know it's a huge part of my life, but I know it's as as big or close to as big to several other people's lives too. So I just thought it was cool that they build a community that we've kind of, you know, grown into and build up ourselves, uh, that people might literally talk about you after you're gone of you being a part of this and it meant so much to you. And I just thought that was cool. So I don't know. I don't know anybody else feels that way or understands where I'm talking about. But I just, that was a thought I wanted to pick at.

I think I kind of get where you're coming from. Like, there definitely would be, you know, when they do those tacky photo, like, montages at funerals, like, crew would be in that. Like, there would be, there would be no chance that it's not. But I would hope that my family and my children and my legacy of charity work and everything comes up. before massomics. I love

Massonomics and I love the crew but I just gotta say I did a lot of shit before this. I guess I'm just I am older than you right so I definitely have done different things I've read of a lot of obituaries where it just talks about like their favorite sports team and this that and the other so I'm like if they're going to shoehorn something like that yeah okay I see what you're saying it doesn't it's not going to be like

David Honeycutt passed away you know yesterday he will always be remembered as being part of crew like it's like that But it's going to be like, it's going to be in the bottom third, but it's still going to be there, maybe in the middle even for me, probably. I would hope that, like, honestly, genuinely my obituary is like, he hated you all. Like, he was a grumpy old bastard. He hated all of you. You know, just like, just one of those ones that, like, gets shared virally about just how mean and angry I was. Yeah.

Because it's not true. Yeah, interesting story. Mean Joey has not come out very often. Now the fact that I am not customer facing. But it is coming out. I have said some really catty things, cunty things. Well, there's a lot of blue-collar people are douchebags, too. Like, just working with people.

Yeah. There's just, you're going to be surrounded by shitbags no matter what. it's just a matter of. And everybody's, like, ribbing. And then I'm, like, quiet most of the day. And then I'll just pull one out that just hurts. And I, like, I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I've been trying not to do that to you. But, like, hitting people with the try somebody else's hardest and a blue collar job is the best. Thank you, Big Paul Floss for that one. I do like that. I think I, I literally used that in the last couple of months, like, like, in a sentence. I used it this week. And the one guy that I work really closely with, he was just like, I love that. I'm stealing. that. I'm like, do it. Let's see. I got a couple stories. I'll do the shorter, one of the both short, but yeah, I'll end on the funny one. So I finally got my Mars bar, big Matt, about two and a half hours away, picked it up for

me. It's been sitting in his house for a couple months. He's been using it. Finally had some time to go down and get it and had a nice little crew meet up there down in Binghamton. We probably shot the shit in his garage for at least an hour. I felt bad because he was like, it was like 35 degrees, maybe 40 degrees out. And he was just in his bare feet on his garage floor.

And I was like, God damn. And like, then I felt bad because I was like, oh, was I just taking my shoes off? Like, this is a deadlift platform. I don't know if I'm just taking my shoes off. And he's like, oh, don't worry about him. But yeah, it was really cool to meet him. We had very minimal interactions other than he just, I knew where he lived down there. He was the guy that picked up the J cups and shipped him out for Mad Cow.

Because another guy was selling him relatively cheap, who ironically ended up becoming crew a couple months later so it was a nice little Bermuda Triangle crew down there. So it was just really cool to meet that. What was the benefit of a bar then, Keith? It looked like it's replicating a really low bar position.

It's an SSB for a low bar squat whereas a SSB is more equivalent to your you know, it's your quads and it's a high bar squat equivalent-ish. So this will still work your glutes and your hamstrings and it just puts the bar like mid back as opposed to like

on your neck. So it's just, it's a good bar for me with that lump I have on my neck that I don't want to put stuff on. So I can still, I can still put an SSB on it. It's just like,

it's just like, you could just deadlift and that would really work all your hams and glutes. I like squatting. I'm gonna squat until I'm fucking dead. Like I will, it was really nice.

So I was able to, you know, get a good session with that and a couple days after get at home. I haven't found the perfect way to store it yet. I have to, I have to literally like unscrew bike hooks

that I have, that I've already held current bars and rearranged some stuff because it's going to have to go vertical from the ceiling and it's, it's going to be a pain in the ass, but I'll figure it out. So that was that story. And then another one was just, it's, it was just, so playing off the Mars bar, I had, excuse me, I had posted a video of me squatting. I was, uh, tried three plates on it and it was three 35 because the Mars bar is 65 pounds. Uh, big Brandon Doyle for in the podcast, good guy.

He was like, wait, that math's not right. The Mars bar's 85 pounds. And I'm like, are you sure, buddy? because it's a 65 pound bar do you have a do you have a special one or something and he was like I was like I'm like 99.9% sure it's a 65 pound bar not an 85 pound bar and he like went and looked it up and he's like all my numbers are 20 pounds higher than what I thought they were or no lower no or so yeah so say he had a he thought he hit 500 he only hit 480 and I'm like you've like you've been doing that for how long and it was really funny and I was like you didn't seem to think it was odd that your mars bar was significantly higher than like your low bar competition squat and he's like No, I just thought I was really good at Mars bar. I'm paraphrasing without looking at the thread. I'm just going off a memory a few days ago. So that was the Brandon Doyle story.

And it was funny enough that I was just like, oh, you're such a good guy. This is just, I got to rib you for it a little bit because that's funny. Because like, that's a lot of weight to. And it's, at least it's, I don't know, I can see someone just thinking it's a 45 pound bar, but I've never seen anyone like add 20 more pounds to it. But it is a god-awful bar to move because it's such a,

the harness part that goes around your shoulders and down to your chest, they're significantly longer and they have obviously a huge curve to them versus an SB. Basically, it's a lot harder to move in your gym or in and out of a squat rack than an SSB. So I could see why he would think it's 85 pounds because it feels like it's 85 pounds when you're moving it, but it only feels like 65 pounds when it's on your back. So that was for all my stories this week. You want to bring us in for the rating?

I've been talking all tonight. yeah i got no stories like i have just been straight up working my ass off um yeah this week's episode sports and books vintage weights um you just stole my show notes you fuck yeah literally that's all i'm doing i'm so tired you're good buddy uh big matt did you listen to this week's episode i certainly did i mean i feel really privileged to be on unpaid and underrated the week but massonomics podcastums are an end you know it's the final level of ethanol so it's pretty good we'll keep this going even if they quote

there'll be some screw those guys yeah yeah I mean I still have Tanner's credit card number so as long as he doesn't you know cancel that we'll keep this thing train rolling from those websites and whatnot I think Nate has it somewhere too it was also the four years of juggernaut AI

yes I do have notes on, so you go ahead, Matt. Yeah, exactly. I enjoyed them comparing their lifting histories, and Tanner saying, oh, yeah, we're actually quite close. It was actually 600,000 Libras more than Tommy. Okay, that doesn't sound that close. But I think the percentage of it wouldn't have been,

I mean, because it was, well, it was 5 million or like 4 million and 200,000 or something, right? So it's like, that's still. Yeah, it works out about 30 sessions when they're doing 20,000 per se. Oh, you did the math on the I did it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We'll get into all your math-loving later. It's bound to come up, yep. To the Mac.

All right. Anything else you want to add before you rate it? No, that's all. So, yeah, I would give it five out of five final ever episodes. Nice. They're good rating, good rating. So I've also been on Juggernaut now for about three years. I was doing powerlifting and I've moved into Strongman.

I haven't done a powerlifting program in about a year now. There was a point where Tanner mentioned that he wasn't sure about the Strongman stuff, about how it reflects versus the powerlifting. So I will give you guys a little bit of my review on that. The warmups are the same. It's the same concept. You do your check-in. You talk about how your muscles are feeling.

Talk about how your body's feeling. talk about your diet and everything like that. And then what I, you do the warm-ups and it tells you, okay, this one felt good. So now your working sets are a little higher and all that kind of stuff. What I would say is the major difference is there's two major differences. In the power lifting program, your competition weight is your main lifts, right? Your competition deadlift, your competition squat, and your competition bench. When you move to Strongman, if you've been doing.

powerlifting for two years like I did, you don't think that you have to set your one rep max on something like a block pull or something like an overhead press or just things that you have been doing that you just never set that one rep max for. So what we were running into is it just wasn't giving you weights. So if you are transitioning from power lifting to strong man, even if it's a regular deadlift but it's like a block pull or a pause deadlift you've got to set your one at max

implement day sucks in the Strongman app on Juggernaut mostly because I don't have implements so if you go into it it'll tell you and this is what I don't like about any programming it'll go set your heavy focus set your endurance focus and set your speed

focus and it's they only give you like eight things to choose from so you got your your searchers and you've got your duck walk and you've got your bag or stone over bar blah blah blah but i don't have any of those things right the only ones that i actually have are sandbag carry and i can zerter with a bar so it also then tells you 30% of three rep max times five okay no juggernaut I paid you money to not have to do this math

right I'm like wait what yeah so like you have to know your three rep max that would be I would subtract you would because you two would because you're big math

I'm not I literally just want to go in the gym and you tell me what I have to lift that day so not only do I not have the implements now I have to adjust what implements I'm using and do the math

math on them. So I was in talks with their customer service being like, you know, you got to let us customize implemente. Right. Like let me do bag over bar. Let me do, you know, if my, if I'm signing up for something in next year, none of those things are on it. Right? Like give me something that lets me train the Conan's wheel. Let me give me something that trains the fingers. Give me something that I can like program in that's like okay you're going to do you know landmine overhead or something that just is different and I think they're working on that so that would be my negative review of juggernaut after three and something years um but only because I transitioned from power lifting to strong men when I was in power lifting I had zero problems

juggernaut is perfect um so with that I'm going to give it a five out of five Hercules holds nice uh i enjoyed the episode you know rip coming up it'd be sad to see the boys go you know they got they got to retire and you know do that full-time dad stuff i guess but you know we'll keep god damn i keep saying that you know we'll keep it going for a while without them sports and books that i really enjoyed any time they talk about red rising because like tanner and i are kind of i think i've actually surpassed him i'm already on the fourth book and he just finished the second one i think so uh I, you know, apparently have a little bit more time than he does. That's what happens when you don't have the fever, I guess.

Or kids? Yeah. Yeah. Which, once they, you know, they just start watching each other, right? It's just like that, you know, that pyramid scheme of, you know, the one gets old enough, then it just trickles down and, like, like, child care just trickles down, right? What was it, the vintage weight fatigue? Oh, Tanner basically just, like, being kind of burnt out on vintage weights.

He could kind of hear it in his voice. not even really burned out, but, like, I feel his pain of, like, I completed my York roundheads. Now what do I do? Like, they're done. Like, this thing that I considered a hobby for the past six months to a year or three years that took me to, like, end this collection, it's like, well, shit, I've already achieved that. And, like, he's already, like, maxed out his plate wall.

And it's just, you know, I feel the pain. So it was kind of like a kind of like a kind of like a kind of like a kind of If for some reason my coach doesn't want to be a coach in the future, I will probably get on Juggernaut, at least when I'm powerlifting specific. But if I was doing Strongman, I think I'd pay an in-person coach or I think Big Dan uses a different app for Strongman that he praises, but I think it's significantly more expensive than... No, it's about the same price. Is it really? Okay. Yeah, I looked into it.

That might be something to consider if Juggernaut can't rise to the occasion specifically for Strongman in the future. But I don't know. It is cool. they I do enjoy them when like because they do a lot of the title topics and sometimes they're like you know more prepared than other times I guess you could say politely to where they're not on chat GPT during it so they're actually able to like talk about juggernaut because they had four years of experience talking about it so it was enjoyable to hear someone with like a very valid perspective of it I found that enjoyable for sure I'll go ahead and give it five out of five complete roundhead york sets So when you run out of your hobby, then you just have to get to peeing for distance. That's the only really next step you can do. I just keep, I think, like, Strongman's kind of been my new thing because that's, you know, tickled both itches of new training philosophy and new implements to find on marketplace.

But I don't know what's after Strongman. Like, I'm getting too old. I'm not going to, like, pivot into Olympic weightlifting in my 50s. Highland, let's go. What? I'm shorter than you and at some point I'm gonna end up

doing a Highland Games I need like super super novice class for that shit I know I know Big Matt seems to have fun He goes There's I know there's

One's within an hour In my house At least once a year I think in Canandaagua So Yeah you just go throw things Yeah That sounds

It sounds painful My tendonitis I do have a funny story I was Yeah I'm gonna say Before you get into your funny story Yeah I want everybody to earmark

What he just said and if this podcast goes for another two years Keith is going to do a highland game in the next two years said the same thing I'm never going to wear a strong man it's too yeah who went back

in a reference episode like 10 or something where I said like I won't like strong man because X, Y and Z and then you know I've I don't want to do it I'll do novice and it'll hurt my tendonitis now yeah it is and because like from what I

can tell Highland is one of those things that if you're just regular strong, it's fun at least. Yeah. I'll have to figure out how to get strong first. Quick, not even know if it's a funny story. So it's at the strongman Jim doing a pulley practice run. So it's really with like an arm over on rope pulley is one of the events this December and they had kind of like a half-ass one set up that, but just getting that experience.

And then the hard part's letting it back down because it's like it's set up. It just, you know, it just pulls up and then goes back down. um but the coach doesn't want you to fucking drop it like an asshole so like you just fully exerted yourself and then as i was letting it out it kind of slipped like i basically had like a sharp pain like right where i've been having some elbow issues and i ended up letting go with the rope and i was like the uh you know the the loading pin and the plates like fell like six or seven feet and i was like oh it's my tendonitis and everyone started like laughing at me and i was like yeah that's fucking convenient but yeah uh my tendonitis it really did hurt though

that wasn't your only incident was it my what now sorry that wasn't your only incident oh I've yeah I've oh yeah I hit my head this week yeah no god I've it's I walked into so many the fucking hit my head on a barbell something else like yeah that hurt yeah there was like three there was another thing too that day

oh and I fell over fucking picking the sandbag up too I did the, I did the sled drag, which about killed me. And then, um, went to just go lap the sandbag and was just like, just fell over. And I was like, okay, I'm tired. I'm just like, I'm going to lay here. Like, I felt really bad because, like, the other guys had to, like, go move the implements back to set up for the next guy. And I was like, I'll help when I get my wind, but I think it was because I just move the

sandbag under your head and nap. Well, it's, I just like, pretend you're asleep. My niece sleeves were so tight. So doing the drag and, like, I just got this enormous cav pump. And then I felt like I was, like I had my, my calves had never been that pumped while having knee sleeves on. And I was just like, I was just a circulation problem. And I don't know that's why I fell over, but it was just like, I felt like shit. And this was after 10 minutes after I fucking demolished my head into a barbell, which was 10 minutes after I hit a huge massive PR, which was awesome.

But it was kind of all downhill after that PR on the axle. Yeah. Have you tried not wearing knee sleeves? On certain things. I do, if you watch a lot of my stories, like I, I'm being getting better. Like I, the other day I did a lighter weight overhead session. I didn't wear wrist wraps or knee elbow wrap, elbow sleeves or anything. I was just like, all right, I just got to get the shit done.

But I've been fucking working 11 hour days and trying to train like before I go to bed. It's like I don't want to fucking put knee sleeves on it seven o'clock at night. Like I want to be in bed, not squatting. But I got to do it at 3 a.m. Because I got to leave the house at fucking 5.30. So it's like, that's not happening. But all right, I'm done. I talked about myself enough.

I'm going to let Matt, you have to carry the rest of the podcast, which Joey, I'm going to bed. Yeah, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I am going to bed. No, no, no. I'm not going to bed. I'll just quit talking for a couple minutes. Look at me.

I am the sleepy guy now. I hope you yawn so much tonight. Oh, you don't even know. You guys are still early evening as well. Oh, yeah, we forgot Matt is like, this was a special event for him. He reached out months ago trying to figure out a date that would work for us, see if we could move to the weekend. Like, sorry, I don't let my weekends get interrupted anymore. Uh, and then, yeah, I think us, did us, did it help or hurt when we moved to seven o'clock our time?

I can't remember. No, that helped big time. So it's like, 10 for 10 for you, right, or something? Oh, because daylight. No. Oh, man. Well, shit. You got to work together.

I'm normally up until a lot later than it, so it's fine. Okay, good deal. Yeah, for the record, I would love to move this to weekends. I can't do that. Yeah. And this is fun for me, and doing it on a weekday is exhaust. Um, but speaking of exhausting, um, but speaking of exhausting, wake your ass up with some obsidian pneumonia. Use code unpaid at hyped us.com. Um, nose bleach is back in stock. Uh, use code

unpaid at plate snacks. As discussed earlier, you can get your unpaid underrated banner, get your gym stickers, get them all sent out to your friends, send me some now that Canada Post is back up, and stop freaking out about my postal codes. And use code unpaid at I know Chris is over there making some amazing stuff. So head on over and use code unpaid. Do those pay us? Maybe. Does it help you? Yes, that's more important. You know, the kickback we get off of these things is not paying anybody's rent or mortgage. But the best part is they know you're listening and they know you

you want to help. All right. Ready to get the guest on the horn? Well, we've got to get somebody to do an ad read first. Oh, yeah. Yeah, somebody should do that first. I know it's a little confusing now

because we do an affiliate and then writing a sponsor, but I do like this logo. I like this layout a lot better. What do you do? What do you do have something for us, Matt? I certainly do, although I'm definitely,

as you've already mentioned, more big math adjacent rather than be creative, but I've had a go at trying to write an acrostic of sorts for this, so see how it works out. The floor is yours? Made in South Dakota, Aberdeen, to be precise, started a movement, but definitely not a cult. Strong and silly is the aim. Epic cheer lists for everything from Jim Songs to Strongman events.

No one ever disagrees with the ratings. overpriced gym shorts for those who don't want to stick with the plain ones more gym tours than anyone else in their own unique style it turns out it really was about the friends we made along the way through cottage cheese

crispy cracks and Coke zeroes Sunday nights at well who knows what time it will be published but the race to the first comment is always hard for it the Massanomics podcast just three spots remain to join the crew so don't be a horse's ass get on board

the hostel mat-hyped train and unleash your silly goose very good very good oh sorry yeah

I think we had a couple mats in there we got to make sure when we kick out the mats we got to make sure we kick out the right one and not the wrong how many mats are in there

oh yeah more than one I'm taking out for joints less than it is used to I do feel that our 7 o'clock it's significantly better for us but definitely our random live listener count

has definitely receded to deced, rescinded? Yeah, I think receded works. Went down. It just decreased. Yeah, there we go, decreased. There's less of them. Yeah, you got big math in here. He's going to help you with all that terminology.

Speaking of that, hey, old chum, to the Matt Cave. Howdy, how are you? How many times have you heard that awful, awful joke? I just heard it. Yeah. That's a good joke. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, like, I don't have an Adam West impression, but if I did, I would have done it. Welcome. You are live on Unpaid and Underrated. Thank you for having me on unpaid and underrated. All right. Keith. Well, usually we go with what brought you, but I almost, I think I want to switch that up to who are you, what's your name, where we're going to find you, all that. I think I'm permanently going to switch that around.

But you'll be their guinea pig for this one. No problem. So, yeah, I'll be one of the overseas crew. So I'm over a pond in the UK. If we harking back to British David's episode some time ago, I'm from less than an hour down the road from where he originally hails from. Oh, nice. The two places are big football team rivals.

Oh, no, yeah. Fuck that guy, right? Is that what you're going to say? That's right. It's, uh, yes. Although, to be fair, his team is, assuming he supports his local side are doing a lot better at my team at the moment. But I just want to hit it.

Yep. They are a permanent embarrassment to themselves there because their arena only has three stands and it's completely empty on one side. Oh, no. Uh, well, just for the listener's sake, uh, what, what's your name? what's your Discord, what's your Instagram, all that stuff? You've got a different name on every damn thing. I do have a different name on every single thing.

I'm definitely ticking the box of what you have complaining about last week. So, yeah, I am one of the many mats, but I knew that there were many mats when I signed up to Discord. So I instead selected Big Kidney, if you might have seen me on there. And that is in reference to the fact I have had a kidney transplant. And therefore, my Instagram handle was actually, transplant underscore athlete, I think. Yeah, I believe that's it.

Don't check that too many times, but I believe that's what it is. Nice. And you are Big Mac Cave. Good deal. And it is, sometimes I'm like, is that pronounced? Like, I think it's got to be just Kay. It's not. It is. Yeah. Not Carve or something. Yeah, I was like, is this something weird? Is there, an umlaught there? I'm supposed to fucking emphasize or something. Carver. Big Matt Carvee.

All right. So we got the who you are. So let's hear about what brought you to Masanomics. Yeah, so it was back in late 2020. Just getting into powerlifting at the time, to set up a home gym, as so many people did through that lockdown period. I think I was actually looking for something more serious in terms of lifting podcasts. So it's a number of massanomics. So the self-proclaimed podcast about nothing is, I mean, that's where a lot of us landed, but that is funny. That's how you started out. Exactly.

And I got to an ad read. I was just about to skip forward. I just skip over the adverts. I don't want to listen to them. And just hesitated. Hang on. This seems a bit different. This is no ordinary podcast.

And I was pretty quickly hooked up from the first episode I listened to. So I did check back. The first episode I've listened to from, you know, continuously was 246 back in December, 2020. About the same time I joined actually, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that actually might have, yeah, jumped ahead of me because I was,

I would have been like, I was COVID-y, so I was like March, March, April, whenever they did the West Side versus the world guy. That was my first consumption. Good deal. So what about the, you watch the YouTube videos, you like the Instagram, you know, when did you get into crew, all that?

Yeah, it took me a while to get into Instagram. I didn't really do a lot of Instagram usage. And then they're on Instagram as well. I can definitely tell. I went trying to explore anything on your page. And just for anybody listening, if you're going to record videos of yourself squatting, don't hide behind the damn plate like Matt does.

Like all of your videos of you squatting are just you from the neck down and the plate from the side. And I was like, I got nothing here. Nothing to go off. I had to teach a buddy the other day because he posted a video of hitting a circus dumbbell PR, like a huge, like 20 pound PR for him.

And his camera, it was raining outside. He had to set up the camera right in front of him. And like, it was a really shitty video that only caught like his torso and not the actual press. And I was like, I was like, dude, like, don't like, your phone might not do it, but like 90% of phones now, you can like zoom out. Like, and he's like, wait, what?

And he was so. pissed and like all his videos have been like you know when he has to do a close perspective he's been able to zoom out on him now and I'm like he's just posting his belly button on all of his classes if I have to teach you something technical that's pretty fucking bad for you sorry Matt I didn't mean to bring that up but I will say

that's quite right I spent 20 minutes on your Instagram trying to find anything and I was just like I feel sorry to you know I can't even see his face in half of these he's going to jump on here I don't know what he looks like because yeah it's a whole load of side language just checking him hitting death from squat you know

no no no I'm just joshing absolutely yeah it took me a while to realize that they were on Instagram as well and that they posted a whole lot of different stuff on Instagram so and yeah

got on that but so yeah I mean I joined crew earlier this year just like following the podcast now for approaching five years it was back in I don't know April May time was it one of the three spots left or what was the so like

I mean you're on that rare boat of like you were a religious listener consumer for four years and then you decide to give us in that $3 like what was that like a turning point or what was that the camel's back or something? There wasn't really. I think it was just more of a waking up one day

thinking why the heck haven't I done this for three dollars a month. How could it possibly go wrong? So yes, definitely wasn't one of the people taken in by the last three spots. Well aware of that joke. Or the wait, I can be on a paid underrated if I join crew.

Allow me to join crew for a year. And I do enjoy it. I think you shout it out a couple weeks ago. I think like Tanner is doing a pretty good job each, maybe not every week, but like we're getting more, hey, go follow these fuckers than we've gotten a while. So I've enjoyed that immensely because there's so many new crew that I don't think fuck.

Like you can tell by their comments in Discord, they barely understand or follow Masonomics. Or Tanner and Tommy, they don't even probably know who we are. So it's like any bit that Tanner can do to help us, we appreciate it, my friend. No, and it is really fun because, like, if you go to live events and they're like, oh, I follow Massonomics, nice, massonomics shirt. You're like, oh, have you heard of Unpaid and Unerated?

They're like, yeah, and you go, I'm one of the hosts. And they're like, oh, yeah, I don't listen. So, like, they've heard of it, but like they did. So, yeah, that's interesting. Okay, did we already hit the word you live? Where are you from? Have you heard about this? Have you seen about this?

To an extent. I mean, is there any more you wanted to elaborate? Like, you basically said where you lived, right? Or do you want to just, like, I did it? Yeah, so I'm living in a place with Swindon, which no one probably in North America would have heard of, but

Bath and London, which are two touristy spots of people normally. We know Tilda Swindon. Does that count? Acts of us. Both of you? Yeah, both of you just made a face that, you know what? I earned that. I earned that. Yeah.

That was a Keith joke. all right so matt you've you know been around five years kind of uh you know probably missed the gun on a lot of stuff by not getting those early access to drops and you know with crew exclusive so what's that one thing that you're like fudge i wish i had that i mean it would have been the yeah buddy top which i'm wearing tonight that thankfully got in on that um that hopefully came up again earlier this year to be honest uh most appropriate for me that I don't actually have

would probably be the ouch everything hurts yeah that does sound like it'd be good top which it's just never in my size which it means I'm not not picked out that's a good one I don't think anyone's actually mentioned that one that's I think that's the first we don't get a whole lot of new

answers on that one but I think that is a new one so cool what size are you if anyone's listening and has a spare sit in their closet they can't fit into I'm very much just a small a medium not big All right. Big medium.

Anyone's got a medium out. Everything hurts shirt and wants to, I guess, I don't know, put it on a boat, I guess. I don't know. How do you even get things to the UK? Is Nate's speedboat going to get it over there? I don't know. Do you have a Hall of Fame status?

I do. It's not great, unsurprisingly, given that so many rely on getting to a certain area in South Dakota. But this is number three for me. to go along with drinks Sprint spotter and band match. What do I always say? One is better than someone.

Any of them realistic that you're going to hit soon or pretty much without coming across the pond, you're not really, all the rest of them are just a matter of time or putting 10 orders in, I guess. They are really, yeah.

Unfortunately, things like Lyftard, Live Easy falls at my busiest time of year at work as well. So no chance of getting time off. What about crew falls or the Arnold? Yeah, I don't know when the Arnold is, actually. Through Falls, I'm actually going to be in Canada.

Now, you're going to be in Canada. Here? We're in Canada. On the West Coast. Yeah, horse hockey. Okay. Now, a fun thing, is there still in Arnold, UK? There is.

Yep. Now, it at no point says... Does it say Columbus or does you say Arnold? It does not. It says attend the Arnold. That counts for sure. Aha. Lawyer it up.

That's a UK hack there. It is a UK hack. I didn't tell you guys, though. Don't. And Tanner's going to come on and go. It does not count. Shut up, Joey. I think it's.

Do you know your supporting membership number? I'm afraid of don't. No, so we'll await the reveal at some stage. Yeah. Was Tanner good this week? Did he? No, I think we're too behind. I know what he just he he hit two at a time recently I just yeah he's doing good about it I mean he's a little busy with the fever and the you know the drop but uh and Mary leaving for a week yeah could you imagine it's just like like here's yeah I'm like I'm like counting I'm like is that all of him like I know Jack's around the corner somewhere but like isn't there another talk Jack was the one filming yeah he's not doing that himself right now he's sick like so many babies this is like a row of

bar baby something table well okay do you have a ctf i do yes uh named breakdown barbell which is a bit of a play on words for physically breaking down too frequently when i read that in the show notes i actually laughed i audibly laughed out loud when i was when i saw that in the show notes i was that's a good that's a good pun name like that's and for lots of metrical and breakdowns as well. Very good. So you sent out the questionnaire to lots of people.

How did that go saying, hey, go fill this out for me for reason X, Y, Z? Yeah, it wasn't too bad. I just gave them a very brief synopsis of what Masonomics was and then made the leap over to and then this is an additional bratty sister podcast as

kind of likes to call it for people who are supporting members. We are an and then. I've never thought of it like that. I guess. All right. Well, that's a lot of the generic stuff. Are you ready to play a little game called least fun, most fun? certainly am yes all right so any any of matt's friends and family listening to the first time this is a very original game we came up with all by ourselves it is called least fun most fun i'm going to give matt a single topic and he's going to go through the topic and describe individually both of them least fun and most fun thing about said topic so special guest this week special least fun most fun specifically for you i had i had trouble because a lot of your stuff kind of fit into unpaid or rated or the game so I didn't want to steal that. So I just kind of had to pull this one out because it was referenced multiple times.

So I'm going to be kind of generic with it and you expand on it however much you want. So least fun, most fun. Being lanky. Being lanky, right. Okay. So we mentioned earlier about my property bench. I think that's definitely the least fun aspect

when it comes to trying to get into powerlifting. having that stupid range of motion and what is your height and weight just so like ballpark so yeah just just a tiny smidge under six foot so I'm not super super tall or anything like that but I am sort of all around legs guys you're talking to yeah but yeah just just over 80 kilos as well so pretty lightweight for that height it's like a buck 70 then give or take yeah 180, I think it is. That's not. That's six foot 180 isn't that small at all.

Okay, I'm five foot four. For regular guys. Yeah. But when you're lifting a lot, it feels like it's pretty small, pretty skinny. And yeah, most fun, being lanky does actually lend advances to sports that are not powerlifting. So it's been pretty helpful for lots of the athletics that have been involved with in the past. So, no, that certainly has had its advantages. It probably helps your deadlift.

Yeah, it does help my deadlift. Yes, yeah. So it was also me who before the Lift Hard List lived easy early this year, obviously we announced the Randy Award for the ratio between bench and deadlift. And it's me who went through the results from the year before to come up with

who was looking like they might be favorites for it this year. Oh, nice. Which Big Spicy Pizza was one of the favorites and he came through and won, obviously. Oh, no. When I looked at that, though, on those results from the year before, Joey, you came up as the opposite of being Randy award, by having the biggest ratio for a deadlift to bench,

which time I'm absolutely there with you. Yeah, I did message to him and I was like, so do I have a chance? And he's like, ha, no. Your deadlift is like 400 pounds over your bench. Like, you don't. It's like, yeah, what's that? 300-something pounds, but like, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what we get for being skinny. Exactly. Strong back, I think you were saying, Joe, you know, that's what it is. That's how we'll spin it. Yeah, strong back, weak arms. Yeah. It happens. It happens.

Just start overhead pressing. Everything goes up. Everything goes up. Definitely doesn't hurt. Do you want to do your height person, or do you want to do your height person? or do you want to do the other one, which was if you could work out with anybody for one session, who would it be?

Let's stick with a hype person. Okay, so you got more. That's the one that's actually thought about because something caught off guard by that new question coming in last week. Yes, yes. I am going to start adding that. Keith, if you could add that to the standard show notes

that we can alternate between the two. Because I do like the idea of surprising people with questions. So if I can alternate between them, and make them not have a pre-thought-out answer, but for this one, I will say. So you've got one lift, you're about to go out, it's your favorite lift, it's your biggest lift. You got one person to hype you up, who is it?

Yeah, well, I'm going to cheat actually and have two people, but they come as a pair, because it's my niece and nephew who, when they come around to visit, they love playing around on all the gym stuff, especially just hanging on the rack and seeing how long they can dead hang for or they can manage to eventually do a pull-up.

They are 11 and 9, but in their small sheltered world I'm the strongest person that they have ever met so they have full confidence in my ability to lift anything that is in front of me so they'd just be showing on their uncle Matt to get out there and do it

yeah I think it was on the it was on the sister podcast that they said like to somebody you know you are the strongest person they know and that you know used to be true for me.

Not so much with a new job, but it is comforting, right? You know, to my kids, I'm the strongest person they know. To my wife, I'm the strongest person she knows. That's a really good answer. Keith, you got some Instagram stuff here that I actually can't quite filter through, so.

Yeah, I was just trying to copy and paste it. Let's see. Big Ron, a friend of the podcast has one specifically. Let's see. Oh, he specifically asked about Highland games because if you're throwing back around with track and field. I'm assuming there's Highland games over there, right? There are. They do tend to be in Scotland rather than the rest of the UK. Shocking.

Right down. Exactly. I'm down in the south. So I've got friends who take part in it, and it does look a lot of fun. But, no, I've stuck very much to the track and field throwing. now what would be the crossover on that because i feel like it would be very similar yeah because you got things like um heavyweight throws and so on which you actually do have in athletics as well but not at say olympics and so on like you've got your hammer throw

your hammer throw exactly and it just a stone throw as well i think they just call it which is equivalent to a shot but um yeah it's basically just rougher implements compared with very the very standardized kit that you'd see in athletics. I think you should try. Do you own a kilt? I do not own a kilt. There's an easy thing to come by, to be fair. There's your biggest barrier.

I mean, I think I would be short for doing Highland games. You were saying you guys would be short before, but those guys tend to be giants. Yeah, but like giant, yeah, you know what I'm not going to do it, but it's like, they're big dudes but they're drinking beer and and having fun all day like these aren't the sometimes they are i've seen some highland games with like guys like tom shroka and you know um diana mckham like these really big buff guys but a lot of these guys are just like it's almost like you're watching wrestling and they just get off the bench and they're just like oh i guess it's my turn and then they murder it and you're like who are you so

I think there's some crossover between what you do and Highland Games for sure. Definitely. All right, Matt. A lot of the other stuff will probably cover just during lifting history, so I'm not going to detail on those.

So occupation shares a little or as much as you'd like on that. Yeah, I mean, I quite like talking about my job, but other people won't want to hear too much about it, I'm guessing, because I'm a chart of accountant, which is normally the death now for any conversation to say that you're an accountant. but if I end up doing any accounting these days it means that things have gone horribly wrong

and I've been called in to try and save the day I guess so I work for a building society which I don't know if you guys would know what a building society is but it's like a bank but it's owned by the customers so it's a mutual all the profits poured back into providing better pricing and better services and so on for the customers actually the largest building society in the world so it's got I think 16 or 17 million members here in the UK we have those they're called credit unions

we have credit unions as well so it's ever so slightly different to a credit union but the principles are very similar I think it would be the closest thing we have yeah I don't I don't think America has them I don't know I was hoping Keith would perk up on that one I know there's a word called

Credit Union I think I got a loan from a credit union as a teenager or something because it was cheaper than a bank loan Yeah, it should be but that's the general premise

is that you should get better price savings rates Loan rates, etc. Nice, and we did, you had a led like a high profile

case of some sort of that in a previous job there was some you know Yeah, so in the past I worked for Deloitte which is one of the big four accounting firms.

So I did some forensic accounting cases as well, just because the type of guy who likes to get in and investigate things. And, yeah, that was probably one of the biggest jobs I had. And once it broke, that was front page news of the Financial Times, which I don't know if you guys are familiar with that, because that is a global newspaper focusing just on some financial markets and so on. So it was a pretty big deal to see that this. secret investigation you've been working on for

a few weeks, the front page national news. That is pretty cool. Yeah, good work. Is that why you're the goat? It's not why I'm the goat. That nickname started well before that kind of became part of common vernacular.

So, no, unfortunately, that actually just stems from another friend telling everybody one day that he thought that I ran like a goat. Yeah. And that was like,

you know, we've just been talking about frolicking on the discode recently. That's basically how he's describing my running style. And that's what I pictured

when you said it. I was like, how does a goat run? Like some goats, like they hop. Yeah. Is that how you run? Well,

no, I'm quite bouncy when I run. So you tend to have most sprinters are either sort of, you know, power driven, which you think it's like

back in the day something like a Ben Johnson style, really super strong. Or you get the ones who are more elastic and bouncing along the track. And that's more my running style.

More lanky. More lanky, exactly. So is you just kind of run on your toes then as how I'm trying to envision it? It probably looks like that. I mean, it's really not quite on your toes. Well, I know,

but I wasn't, because the ball is the ball of the foot your heel? That's correct. The ball of foot your, the balls are just behind where the toes are. Okay, so then it is. So yeah,

you definitely run on the balls. I guess, I guess I've always heard. the turn balls of your feet, but I just assume for some reason I thought it was the heel, but it would make more sense if it's behind the toes, which it is. Yeah, if you're running bouncy, you're probably using your calves more than

your quads? Yeah, sort of. I mean, it's really more it is all posterior chain driven. So the stronger ones will be more quad biased, but yeah, it's more hamstring glutes should really try on your forwards. Jeez. So the Tanner can't run like that

because he has no quads. So whichever way you can't have quads and run, that's how he runs. I think his bust ACL might be the biggest. Yeah, I think that's what I was thinking. I'm sure the ACL is the problem. But that's not as funny as he has no quads. No.

He has no quads or ACLs, but, you know, he's at least got his ACLs reattached. I don't think they can do anything for his quads. Speaking of nicknames, tell us about Mother Cave. Which I knew would come up. Sorry. That's all right. It's growing up,

My mum used to have these little protective things on the back of the sofa, as we'd call it, maybe couch you might refer to it as interchangeable. And design so that, no, you don't mess up the fabric that's there. When your head is leaning back against it, you're not sort of making it all dirty. And they're just sort of white, lacy things just to try and look nice and protect the sofa there. Doyleys. We called them. We used to call them doilies, but I think technically they're not doilies.

I think Doyley sit on tables to put things on. That's what I consider doily. We called, we called him Doily. Yeah. And yeah, one night, one of my friends just decided to come up and tipped about over my head. So I looked like, you know, some none or something like that. And decided to name me Mother Cave. And then basically that stuck for the next, I don't know, about 30 years in counting, I suppose, really.

and yeah, they would take great delight in whenever we were sat around there at some point during the evening to try and surprise me by getting the doily on my head again and all screaming, Mother Caves. That's really funny. I mean, to them, it doesn't sound like it's that funny to Matt. Well, the fact that it's like a 30-year-old running bit is the amusing part, and he can't outlive it. It might only be that one person that still calls him that,

but it's still like, you're just sitting there and somebody just walks up and throws a doily on your head and yells Mother Cave and you're like, ah, yeah. That's it.

Yeah, I think it's more my frustration and disgust at it that kept the joke running along because it was just dirty and tearing off. You just accept it, which is, I feel that though.

I'm, I people perpetually pick on me because they know it gets under my, so, you know, with all that being said, as far as your lankiness, you were,

you know, still competed in some power, our lifting. So I guess I almost have does your health kind of perpetuate the lifting story or were you lifting before your health? You kind of have a whole story to tell and I

in the beginning so kind of just run with wherever you want to go with telling us you're lifting. Absolutely. Yeah. So I'm now I'd always been very sporty growing up trying themselves. Not necessarily with any great success. Emotion sports.

So that was the Swiss girl that you were then? the spice girl that was the spice girl you were you were sporty spice then no no i've never heard anyone say i'm not sure i had a favorite what he said he was he said he was sporty i've never heard anyone refer to himself as sporty and isn't that one of the spice girls isn't a spice it is one of the spice girls yeah that would be quite common expression here yeah i thought it was yeah but no so i was diagnosed with kidney disease when i was seven or eight years old oh dang but um didn't ever really affect me very much until suddenly it went very much downhill when I was 30 and

I ended up on dialysis and having a transplant and so on. But I've been lifting, I think I started lifting when I was 16, 17, something like that, but not, lifting culture is very different in this country in the UK compared with North America. It's not really barbell driven and the big three or anything like that particularly it's not that same culture in high schools and so on to be in the weight room so it's much more like commercial gym driven machines stuff like that just just trying to stay reasonably strong fit and active for the benefit of other sports but yeah certainly you end up getting older you've graduated from university life gets busier I was qualifying as an accountant so I kind of left all of that lifting behind

But yeah, the transplant then kind of prompted me to take a bit more of a look at how I was living, I guess, really, and it prompted me to get fitter, stronger, and it really helped Sydney do the best it could do. And there's the opportunity to sign up to transplant games, which are kind of like mini Olympics, but for people who have had all sorts of different transplants. and so the main thing then was I signed up to take part in the British games and for a few months into that I actually need to get fit

so that I don't completely embarrass myself at this. It's not so much that you've like survived your transplant and you're alive you're just going to go out and do some jumping jacks. You actually have to like be competitive and be a actual athlete or you're just going to be like oh, came in 99th place. Yeah, that's right. And, you know, I did play cricket to a pretty decent standard.

So I was used to being pretty competitive in sports. I was not wanting to, and, yeah, make a fall of myself. And, yeah, so I got back into lifting there. But it's really in COVID time, but I started to get more heavily into powerlifting at that stage. Building out at a home gym, naturally, you're not going to have the sorts of kit that you have at a commercial gym or anything like that. So that's when I started to really hit squat, bent. and deadlift and yeah for why not sign up to a powerlifting competition even though i'm definitely not remotely the build to take part in it normally normally i'm towering over like the

105s who are taking part and there i was in like the 74 kilo plus but uh yeah really had a lot of fun doing it really it's like so many of these different sports now it's very much more of a camaraderie but you you you have there when you're just enjoying a few hours of people who are sharing a similar interest. Absolutely. I have a weird question. I have a weird. I have a weird follow-up.

I've got a weird one. How do you prove your transplant to get into the transplant games? That's a good question. Did they even ask? They do ask, yeah. So at the national games, you actually compete for the hospital where you had your transplant? That's awesome. Yeah, that's the best way.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. So exactly. So you've been competing for, in my case, it's the Bristol hospital. And you have to fill in a whole road of medical info, basically, when you had your transplant, what type of transplant it was. And a whole road of other business that gets pretty, I guess, specific to that, which I won't go into now. But yeah, there's a lot of info you have to fill in to prove that you. So here I was picturing its way-ins. they're checking your gear

and then they're like now show me your scar I had plastic surgery I don't have one anymore disqualified fucker that's kind of what I was picturing for a second there I'm not sure if you'd followed

how much American sports you follow but we had a are you familiar with Nick Mangold who just passed away so I wasn't until I saw your post on Discord in the start of the week yeah yeah because he you know the pair of

did summary there was a you know a retired NFL player, 41 years old, literally the age of most of us, had passed away from kidney failure. He pleaded a couple weeks ago for if anyone could help donate or whatever. So that kind of lead me into my question is, you know, you got to where you were on dialysis. You obviously had kidney failure. I'm not a doctor, so I don't know. Like, you have two kidneys, right, and one dies. Would you already have one? Does the kidney failure take both of them? I guess I have several questions, but I just, like, did you get a lot? Did it come from a, actually, you know, someone who had...

Okay, so I also thought of this question and decided against it. Yeah. It's out there now. Yeah, I said to Big Kurt after he'd been on, and you were apologizing for asking questions about medical stuff, as long as it's not been traumatic, most of us who've come out the other side happily from these things, love talking about it because, you can share our stories about it. So yeah, it, in my case, affected both kidneys. So both my kidneys were basically dying. You do generally have two kidneys. Some people are born with three kidneys.

Some people are born with one kidney. One kidney is not actually that rare to be born with. And you can survive on one kidney with basically no problem at all. Hence why people can do live donations. Gotcha. But yeah, so mine were both affected. The thing I didn't know until just before I had my transplant, really, when I was just approaching out dialysis stages. They don't actually take anything out when you have a transplant. Oh. So I have three kidneys now. Specifically, just for a kidney transplant?

Like, they can't be real, like, every, okay, because I'm like, you're not getting a heart transplant and just have your other heart transplant and laying up the side, but specifically for kidneys, okay. Just for kidneys, yeah. And my doctor's like, yeah, you know. Because they're still kind of doing something or are they like? No, no, it's more just because the kidney is smaller and it's, they put the transplanted kidney into a different place. Yeah.

So instead of, your native kidneys are at sort of slightly higher up and at the back, your transplant kidney goes in right in the front, just under your skin, then just sort of half an inch and right down in the groin next to bladder. So if you got into a fight and someone gave you a kidney shot, they have multiple options now to kidney shot. Oh, yes. Yeah, that would be bad news. Okay.

Very interesting. That's where you went with that. We're glad you're here, my friend. I morbidly do need to know though I don't need to know but like was it I know you did ask it no mine was not from a live donor so my dad was getting tested up

to see whether he could donate to me but in the meantime I got a call off the waiting list here in the UK I was on the waiting list for just 20 days before I got to call oh wow you're extremely like there's yeah it's incredible I would definitely count your lucky stars

I mean there's like like proof like someone and like a millionaire in America died because he could not get a kidney. Yeah, well, sorry, but the British and Canadian healthcare system. The systems are a bit different. Yeah, just a bit different, my friend. But yeah, I was incredibly lucky. And it turned out a month later, my dad actually failed the final stage of testing to donate me a kidney.

And so I generally joke, but next in line to potentially donate me a kidney was my now ex-mother-in-law. so I avoided being forever indebted to an ex-mother-in-law. Awesome. Well, I won't pry into too much more your personal life then. Oh, I might. Well, I guess, well, your personal life, yes, your physical health, I think. I might. So into metal in high school, got out of it and got back.

Yeah. What's going on now? What's the last one you went to? because I heard you travel extensively from metal shows. Yeah, I did last year. I traveled all the way over to Pennsylvania to go to the Christmas Burns Red

two-day festival that August Burns Red put on. That's not Pennsylvania in America. Yep. Oh, geez. Okay. To Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where that's held. And I combine it with a few days in Philadelphia as well. There's a bit of a history trip.

Even though I'm not big history necessarily like Tommy. That's Tommy. Tommy would have loved that trip. Yeah, but, yeah, the last one I went to was actually last week, Joey, went to see a band called Igor, which at the time I was thinking, I hadn't heard of them until a few months ago, they were a French group. At the time I was thinking, oh, yeah, Joey would love this. And then I listened to the very next day to last week's episode,

where you said how much you hate opera singing during mental. yeah but but one people i would say is that it's it's not the metal singer trying to do opera singing they actually have separately a female genuine classical opera singer okay as part of the group and so that is different i think yes because cradle of filth does that kind of thing right um where they have yeah yeah see that's different that's very different so you should check eagle out and it becomes big ryan approved as well he's a big fan so all right uh what's your favorite metal show you've seen a good one I think that

my first ever matter show was actually seeing Slipknot on I think their first ever headline tour of the UK back in about 2001 and yeah it's hard to beat your first time so that was pretty epic

and it had in flames were supporting as well that night that sounds awesome yeah it was amazing did I ever tell you I saw Fazi no Chris Jericho's Bozzy

yeah yeah they were playing honestly they were playing in an underground bar it may be held 90 people and I knew the night of the show

I had tickets and I walked up and the door was open and I was like I'm just gonna walk in and I walked in walked right up to Chris Jericho and yeah

introduced myself and he was a dick. No, he was a dick. He was an absolute dick to me. Security came over and they were like, are you part of the bands? And I'm like, nope, just waiting for the show to start. And they were like, no, you need to get the fuck out.

And then Fossey played one of the greatest metal shows I've ever watched. Yeah, it was an amazing concert. This was before Judas, before the big songs. I couldn't even name one of those songs from back then, but he's such an entertainer. So that's probably one of my favorite metal shows. And I think there's something special about

those really intimate, small, and dare we say, like, grimy, dark venues. It's just much better than the bigger arenas. I actually saw Dillinger escape plan in the same venue. Nice. Yeah, and I'm talking like, I don't know how to describe it to somebody who's never been in the place.

it was called the underground in Hamilton and like if you were stuck behind the one bar in the yeah you couldn't see anything yeah and like Dillinger escape plan at the time it's just one of those things where I always have the best luck of getting into a band and then they happen to be coming

to my town and this was one of those times and I'm still a huge Dillinger fan but you know I think they're broke up now and and that's easily like I saw so many metal shows and above was one of those city-country bars. So you had that dichotomy

of um teenagers in cowboy boots and short skirts and then the metal show lined up literally at the other door. Yep. And they were renowned for pretty wild

shows when they did the show. Dillinger? Absolutely. Yeah. And the band opening for them was a local band called Tugnut. They were freaking amazing too. But Dillinger themselves, they are, they're amazing. I wish I could find that sweater because I bought a sweater that night.

Yeah. I know we talk about metal too much on this podcast. We're metal and wrestling. Metal and wrestling. I get it, but. So the Paralympics, you,

essentially what you're contributing to is more like a track and field event or is the whole thing track and field? Or what, explain it to me like I'm a David. yeah yeah so it is like a minute it is not it's not true it's not just trapping field so there's no cycling swimming racket sports um all that sort of business going on at the same time so it's it's not the paralympics sadly we don't have a classification in the paralympics we are just our own thing separately um so it has the paralympics now has a certainly in the uk i don't know about north

America has a really high profile, not quite on the same scale as the full Olympics, but not far off it. Whereas the transplant games have almost zero profile at all. You might get a spot in a local newspaper or something like that on, as a curiosity on page 20 or something like that, but nothing more than that. Now, just to stir the pot, if you had to say, what is the, which, what, what, like, so you've obviously been doing it for years and you know a lot of people there, is there a transplant that someone could get that really doesn't affect their overall health and then maybe shouldn't be there? Do you think that's a thing?

Well, I wouldn't go as far as saying that they shouldn't be there. Yeah, yeah, but I guess what is the most overcomable transplant? Yeah, 100%. So it's not stirring the pot really, but pretty much all of us who are taking part. No. So generally, bone marrow transplants are the least affected in the long term. but in fairness they have overcome cancer as well to get to that stage in the first place so they don't think anybody's going to be having to go at them usually been liver transplant

in terms of solid organ transplant is the one which is longer term least affected but it is a really really incredibly big operation in the first place in it they're literally cutting open your entire core people generally have to learn to walk again even from a liver transplant because they've got zero force strength afterwards. Heart and lungs are definitely at the other end of the scale. They have the most affected, which is pretty understandable given how

how significant play a role in just running around. If I had a testicle transplant, could I be in the transplant? Yeah, nor a hair transplant, Joey. I think it's, yeah, it doesn't need to be a solid or good. The whole thing about fake testicles at one point, didn't we on this?

That goes a whole, like not a segment. Well, we talked in depth about fake different. Well, we had a guy that has a fake testicle. And it was like, if you could pick your fake testicle, what would it be here or something like that? I definitely talked about that. We drove on about that for sure. I'm going to the transplant games with a marble. I mean, there are transport games in lots of different countries.

So the Canadian transport games are taking place in early July next year, Joey, not too far from you. relatively speaking for Canadian terms in Quebec? You know, normally I would say that's a bold statement because everything's far away in Canada, but no, Quebec's not that far. Like, I can get to the border of Quebec in 12 hours driving. Oh, that's further than I thought, to be fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, everything in Canada is far away. It's not as big as New York. I understand that. Of course. but Ontario from one border to the other on just the highway is 22 to 24 hours Is it

just bowling that you have the the yips in or any other sports? What are the yips? So it's more of it like Yeah it's more of a mental blockage that stops you doing what was previously a pretty easy repeatable action.

I think an old football baseball term I'm like that's right And it happens in golf a lot. Gophers get the yips with their putting. I bolded it because I was just like, what the hell are the yips? Yeah, now that you bring it up, I think I've heard it before. I have that an axe throwing.

I can't go axe throwing anymore because one day I was about to throw an axe and the girl was in there replacing the things. And my buddy put his hand out. He's like, dude, stop. And I almost kill the girl. And now every time somebody's like, let's go axe throwing. I have PTSD of that time

I almost killed somebody and I was like, no, not doing that. Yep. So, all right, cool. I have the Epps. We learned that today on Unvading Underrated. Dude. So the spreadsheets, just a big spreadsheet, guys,

or are you an Excel guy or a Google, Google Sheet? I can zone out now. It's mentioned 97 times. It is. It will be. Yeah, no, no, this is the original Excel. Yeah, not messing around with any of the new competitors or anything like that. What's the difference?

I don't know. You stick to Microsoft. It's far easier. Okay. Because they all use formulas. They do, yeah. I don't know a difference in work life as well. Pretty much all big corporations are just sticking to Excel anyway.

So it's a common thing to use. But, yeah, no, I have, I'm sure I have thousands of stuff. spreadsheets, to be perfectly honest. Well, that's, yeah, you'd specifically said you have more than me, and I was like, bet. Yeah, I definitely would have more than you. But I don't track many things to extent that you do, Joe, Keith. I've definitely not got a spreadsheet showing all of my variations on the lifts and showing what my various rep records are.

It's the easiest thing to keep, and that's the most, like, satisfactory thing to. You can ring that PR bell literally almost once a week because you have fucking chipped something by five pounds on a seven. rep fucking max of some sort so we got anything coming up for competitions are you so actively

in the transit like you're in your yeah yeah it's like do you still you're going to be in the senior transfer well yeah so they run it much like lots of other sports in that it has

it's done by age categories as well so you can do it until you're you know dead you can the top age category is 80 these days. It used to be 70 plus and then they had a growing number of 80-something-year-olds taking part who realistically needed to have their own category because when you've got 10-year age gaps.

Just completing something at that point is pretty fucking commendable. Absolutely. You know, some of these guys have had their transplant for quite a long time as well, taking part in that. But even someone without a transplant at that age, taking part of new sports is pretty incredible to say. okay um so normally this is keith's realm but i want in on this one uh speaking of uh transplants and things uh i've never had anybody actually type out their entire poop story in the show no

yeah so i don't know if you want to read it verbatim or if you just want to describe it but i can i can certainly describe it yes please yeah so uh well pre free operation, which is pretty common for lots of operations, lots of laxatives to make sure that your systems are entirely cleared out. Particularly, I like the name of one of those laxatives as well, which was pick a lax, which just conjured up an image there of things being removed from you with some axe. No, which one is that? Is that the big, is the big jug that you have to drink where you mix with water

and drink it? I can't remember because I was pretty ill at the time so you just take whatever you're given. Okay, yeah, I definitely, before a colonoscopy, Jesus, I'm so old. They give you

it's a two liter bottle and it has powder in the bottom and you fill it with water and you have to drink it like on the hour, every hour and I call it human drano. Like it just murders you and that's why I would be very similar. that's about. Yeah, okay, that's why I refuse to go for my second colonoscopy, because, like,

the first time was so painful, they were like, oh, we have to redo this because we gave you the wrong instructions. And I was like, well, first of all, fuck you, I'd rather die. Second of all, I'm not going to do that. Okay, so we're on the same level of accidents. Go. Exactly. Done all of that. Then, so you're completely cleared out. I also then didn't eat anything four days after my transplant. I was too sick. eventually did start eating when the natural course of events takes place and need to go to a bathroom still attached to various drips and things like that so I think it would have been one of the first times I actually ventured out of the ward down down a little corridor to the toilet

and oh boy did that take a long long time and also you just had a fairly sizeable operation, it's right down there in your core. If you think of like whenever you're bracing to squat or something like that, you're taking your air in, that is really that intra-abdominal pressure right down in that area. You've got a massive wound there. Pretty scary to do that at like day six or something like that after the operation, thinking how well do these stitches hold together. So a combination of things not moving too well and being scared to, you know, you know, squeeze too hard, was stuck in there for an awful long time to a point where the machines that the drips were attached to, the batteries were beeping because they had run out

with battery, had nurses knocking on the door, checking, are you still alive? What is going on in there? I mean, just embarrassing. They just said, yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine, honestly, knowing for well, I really wasn't. And I just wanted that whole situation to be over as quickly as possible, which was not quick at all. I think I was, I think I was in there for something like an hour and a half, hour and three. Oh, my God. It was just absolutely insane. And then, and then when you left the hospital, furthermore, no?

Yellow curry. Oh, do you want me to read it? That was well before that. That was the hour. That's my stag, too. Yeah. Yes, I used to be a really big fan of having hot foods, which I know you are as well. Joey, which I'm not anymore.

Dialysis kind of killed that for me because you end up on a fluid restriction and didn't have any spicy food for that time. So I haven't ever really acclimatized back to spicy food since. But yeah, my buddies stitch me up, understandably so with the hottest curry that the restaurant could provide. Not on the menu or anything like that.

Just make it as spicy as you possibly can. Mess them up, mess up. Exactly. I mean, it tasted absolutely vile. even if it was as mild as like a cormor or something like that I would never have it again because it was gross but you're out for evening go ahead and do that

eat that I should have been playing cricket the next day and I'm sure cricket stuff will probably come up as well later on I'm sure I had a few entries about that one of the fact features of playing cricket is you wear all white as it happens as it happened and you don't play cricket in the rain

So didn't end up playing cricket, but it was a very explosive day the next day as a result of that curry. And it was in the end, no, not a problem, but I did end up having to do a very quick walk to get to a house to use a toilet, which was out when suddenly the urge came on. But it was a near miss. Have I been playing cricket, I could easily have been the other side of the field in all white. and needing to from beat a hasty exit before those whites

became a very different come. Nice. It's been a minute so we had a good poop story. It's funny. If you want to talk about cricket for a minute, feel free.

Is that something you did? I guess, okay, so let me pose this. Is there like just, it's just like wreck cricket, I guess? Like, like people would play like rec league basketball or something.

Like, like, what are the lines? Is it like beer league cricket? Like, like, I don't know. No, it's a higher standard than that. So, yeah, professional cricket is played in this country by counties. Okay. I played kind of like two levels below that.

So most weeks there would be a pro or two per team. Oh, I mean, probably like 15, 20. Okay, so you're like in the top third. Then that's, that's. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But there are genuine professionals who are playing week in, week out of the level what I was playing at. Okay.

So, you know, one of my friends plays. England, so he played at World Cups and so on. So it's a really decent standard. Yeah, I played from, I started playing men's cricket when I was 13, which is not that unusual. I know that was starting at a lower level, obviously, and working my way up through the different teams at the club. Yeah, played a lot, played as a fast bowler, which to you guys might be, it's basically equivalent to the pitcher in baseball, the guy who's actually delivering the ball. for the batter to hit. And yeah, yeah.

Did that until I got the Yips bowling at one point. And that was pretty devastating. I thought I'd be surprised. So bowling, bowling is a cricket term, not a little. It is a cricket term, yes. So when I asked that earlier, that's why I don't think anyone else. Like, I thought it literally was just, it was in a different paragraph above. It just said he had the Yips bowling.

And I'm like, out of the, yeah, it's not 10 pin bowling or something like that. No, no, this was. Oh, yeah. It was, I mean, that was a pretty hard. horrendous experience. So the Yips actually took you out of cricket then it sounds like, like in general. Pretty much.

I did, I kind of bent, just, just batted instead, but moved down the teams and captained one of the lower league teams. And basically as a mentor to the younger players coming through and so on. And is something you're still doing or something you kind of retired from? No,

no. I played a few games of the England transplant team as well, since I've had my transplant. But I haven't played cricket now in, I don't know, it's pre-COVID. Okay, okay, okay. Very neat, very neat. That was cool.

So you would say that your peak athletic achievement was then, like your best athletic would it be like when you were like that third tier in cricket then? Like that's like... It would be, yeah, 100% in terms of that genuine what people would recognize yeah, with playing cricket a decent level. Nice. Very cool. So then that just doing literally being competitive in a sport every, however long your season was

for over 20 years. It was pretty easy to be like, all right, I had the surgery. I'm potentially not going to be able to have this peak performance. I'm in my 40s, blah, blah, blah. And then the transplant thing games are just kind of a perfect segue for you than to still get that achievement, but, you know, at more of what you're capable of doing. Yeah, it was.

So, yeah, I had my transplant when I was 30. I actually spent my 30th birthday checking into hospital to start dialysis. Oh, wow. which uh... exactly it just had to kind of envisage it as my birthday present

from the national health service here in the UK I paid enough tax so it was time for them to give me something back and yeah but I went back to playing cricket for one season

after my transplant just to kind of prove to myself I could awesome but then got the bug doing athletics and yeah I was getting involved

in that a lot more heavily so speaking of the NHS do you have a of sneaking into government? I've read that. Yeah, do you have a habit of sneaking into government things? So I think I might know what this relates to. Second level of security at something.

Yeah, I was supposed to be giving a speech at an NHS event about transplants and so on and turned up to a building, but unbeknownst to me, I went to a different daughter. one that I should go to, which was a national cyber security event, which was super, super type security, and yet managed to talk my way through the first entrance, saying that I was one of the guest speakers. I'm speaking on this. You know, I know everything on the topic.

Look for the next desk and said the same thing, and I'm guys looking down the list. I can't see your name anywhere. I'm going to start to look around me and see armed police. A great big banner that was behind me, but actually said it's like national cyber security. security conference or whatever and realized, oh, I think I'm in the wrong place. I'm here to talk about this. Oh, yeah, you need

the other than around the corner. But shows how far you can get by just showing a bit of confidence and just saying that, yeah, I'm here to do this. Absolutely. Love it. Yeah, it's pretty good.

Damn it, I had another one that I lost it. I mean, it's also an hour and a half in. You want to jump into a game. Yeah, yeah, hit him with FMK. Oh, it's my turn Yeah, we switched I got to pick a Rushmore You do that

FMK, do you know what FMK is I do indeed Do you want me to describe it or are you describing it No, no, no, no We're not going to say the words Because every once in a while People go, yeah, it's offensive So we're going to go

Maths, Cricket, or Lifting Oh Wow and yeah especially given maths pretty much is the foundation for providing me with a job I do enjoy surely I can't say that I want to marry maths ahead of cricket or lifting though that that just sounds wrong doesn't it I think probably I think I'm pretty married cricket because that actually is probably my true first love um sort of indoctrinated into that my young age my dad loves cricket as well. I would have his family do. So I'd have to marry cricket.

I think I would have to, I think I would hug maths because I do need that in my life. I do enjoy that. Which has been killlifting, which seems sacrilegious on a lifting associated podcast, but I think you've left me with no choice. That's what I've got to go with. Did you see the bluey episode about Chris? I did, yes. I'm not a big bluey watcher having no children or anything, but my nephew loves Flewing. Of course. So I've seen a few, and I've seen the cricket one, yes. Did you cry? I didn't cry, but they definitely do hit you in the fields.

They definitely do, especially that episode. So apparently in Bluey, that entire series was supposed to be centered around that kid. Okay. Yeah. And then at some point, they changed the day. to Bluey instead of that kid. Interesting, yeah. Yes, my nephew also asked me whether I would go and visit Bluey

when I went to Australia a couple of years ago. I was going to Perth. Bluey is based in Queensland. It's a bit like me asking whether you'd go to Quebec from where you are. It is a long way. Yeah. Oh, do you have been chickens?

Do you have been chickens over there? Seagulls are been chickens here? Yeah, we do. have a lot of seagulls around yes yeah absolute test yeah all right you ready for a little mount rushmore there Matt I had a

had a bunch of submissions so I got a couple to pick from I think I'm going to go with if this one falls short I got a backup that you're not going to like I'm going to go with get ready you're going to hate this I think I'm I think I'm going to go

the one you're going to not like so what was the football club that Big David's a fan of and where's his Oh, Oxford. Yeah, so top four Oxford football club players.

Oh boy. Crump. I mean, I think I would struggle to name for it. But. No, that's fine.

We'll skip it. Yeah, if you don't, I thought there's going to be more like a best four players of a team you hate, but if it's not, you're going to struggle with it.

No worries. Top Mount Rushmore, Christmas decorations. Yes. Well, that's been chosen because I, never put up any Christmas decorations. I love Christmas.

But. I did specifically say Christmas decorations he would actually put up. So I didn't really, I didn't read into that, I guess, too far. But that's the one I'm going to go with of some sort. I will interject very briefly. Same, Matt. Same. Love Christmas.

I love all holidays. I'm just a holiday dude. I want to go and do things. But I do not want to do it at all. Right? So, like, when it comes to Christmas, my wife is like, our kids need Christmas, we need to put up a tree, we need to. And I would say, I would do none of that, like, at all if we didn't have kids. For years, my holiday tree was my grandma's ceramic tree. And it just was a self light up. It was ceramic. And I would put that up and be like, that's my Christmas tree. I'll do this alone. So I'm with you on that one, brother. So if you could put him up, what do you putting up? I mean, it probably would be pretty much tree-related because the tree is a decent part of it. It's more the other decorations don't like it.

The reason I don't like it is just then you have to spend so much time in late December or January, taking it all down. Well, let's look it in this way. So you're out and about or you're at your friend's house or you're downtown. What are the four things that like, oh, that's Christmas, that means something to me. Yeah, exactly. So I think you've got to have on there some sort of chocolates and so on hanging from the tree. because I am a chockaholic and so I'll probably go

and even at my friend's house go and take their chocolates if I can, if I spot them there. Nick those. We don't, I don't, I don't, yeah, it might be. The candy canes from a tree I've seen and stuff. I don't know about chocolates from a tree.

I don't think I've seen that. Yeah, we'd have chocolates as well. We would have candy canes as well. So that'd certainly be up there. Probably at the star on the top of the tree. I do like a good star to be on top of there. It's certainly better than sticking the angel with the tree.

at the back side there. Upper bum. Fanny, whichever you call it over there. Yes, yeah. It's, uh, I do enjoy, even though really relevant to me anymore, I do quite like the stockings hanging from lights up

a bug of fire or something like that because the kids get excited about that. And, uh, yeah, I don't know, I don't know, How many other than land free? Like that? Yeah, it's probably not necessarily the decorations, but just actually more just all the food that we're going to get at Christmas as well. So that's going to be just lots of chocolates and sweets lying around,

which feel like decoration at some stage because they have constant presents in people's houses. Nice. What is the, yep. My turn. No, go ahead. Ask your question. I was just really good to this. Or of a, what's the, where you're at, what are your seasons?

your weather, like, do you get all four seasons? Do you get snow? Jesus, dude. Yes, they have the same seasons as us. I mean, but kind of, England is renowned for just being grey and wet so much of the year, really. But, no, this year we had weeks and weeks of unbroken sunshine for summer. It doesn't get as hot as you guys do, because we're just a small island, obviously, so we get lots more of the breeze and wind coming off the Atlantic. But, yeah, we don't tend to get much snow. You would do if you went up into Scotland, but certainly where I'm in the south of England. If it snows once, maybe twice. Over winter, you'd be lucky.

Yeah, I guess I was wrong on that one. I was thinking they were more... Wrong again, Joey. Wrong again, Joey! I was thinking they were more aligned parallel with us. Yours is more pronounced than ours, I guess. I'll stay a little bit more... Like, they would get the same...

Like, they would have winter and fall. It's not like Florida, where it's just summer all the time. no no definitely not okay um mount rushmore metal breakdowns oh that's that's quite specific uh so just the breakdowns don't care about the bad i don't care how much you like that or not like you just hear the band you hear the breakdown and you're like i don't even care about this is so good uh right so um well one which actually i think i don't know if it will appear in the end i'll put on my submission was the fire itself by Phineas

do love that breakdown which it should check out Joey if you're not. I'm taking notes. Give me a second to take notes. Absolutely. So that's a pretty decent one.

I do one pops up quite a lot in my playlist is Death Grip by Fit For a King which is something you definitely do need to specify which band that is. I think so many bands have probably released a record called Death Grip,

let's be honest. It's one of those like metal tropes, isn't it? What was the name of the song for Fit For King? That was Death Grip, Fit for King. Gosh, I'm not, I'm actually not good at song names generally because I just tend to stick on albums and just listen through it and just enjoy the music. I think

I knew it would be such pressure coming up with Mount Rushmore answers Yeah, I do that I do that, I do that, yeah, absolutely I do that, I do that I do that What's the name of the band? So I definitely

I would definitely have to have an August burns red one in there at some stage because they probably are the band I've listened to the most and yeah they've got it would be what

one of their earlier albums at that stage and so like off probably off constellations which when I went to that festival last year they played the entire album straight through which was pretty awesome and

yeah it'd probably be it'd probably just be another finiest one if I'm perfectly honest of their most recent record to say something like the breakdown off of dream thief would be a good choice I think there as well all right

added to my notes yeah breaking news probably this might have hit right before we recorded but the Elite FTS Massonomics podcast will hit tomorrow

on this Friday so it should already be out when you're listening to this but if you haven't listened to it yet get your ass out there and consume it so now I know what I'm doing for three hours tomorrow so sweet listening to nose breaths yeah

good um i got a quick one for matt it's more of a request that he can deny if he wants to so you've been to america now you've said that a few times you've you've been to america here so like and you've interacted with americans do you have an american accent and could you do it or could you impersonate and even a north america i don't care like you open it up to north american like just i want to hear a british person try to speak with a i mean i'm not try I mean, like, a fucking 80% of her actors are goddamn from British. Yeah, no, I am definitely not a big accent. And so, yeah, it would probably come out

something very different to an American accent, I expect, if I did. You don't have to. If you want to get, if you're afraid of the yips, you don't have to. I just thought it would be funny. I thought it would be a good one. Okay, hold on, hold on. You do a British accent. It's offensive.

Oh, I see. Shut up. Oh, I get it. The top of the bun and too. Yeah, I don't fucking help. Yeah, that's why I didn't do any accents ever on this podcast. Except for Arnold. I can do the Arnold accent, but that's...

All right. Well, I think that knocks out most of that stuff. So I'm going to hit you guys with little affiliates here. Barbo Rescue, Kim, doing great stuff over there, bringing it back to home JimCon, you know, go hang out at his boo. with us. Home JimCon itself. Code Unpaid. Massonomics booth has been released where it's

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So, you'll give me some hand-picked topics. I have to select whether I think they are either underrated, which means that more people should be appreciating how good they are, or that they are unpaid, which means

that I think that they're very much no one likes to be unpaid so it's a need to be taken down on optional team very correct all right unpaid or underrated

sparkling water that is very easily unpaid well what is your experience with like I need to hear a couple because you might be drinking some weird British shit that isn't any good and isn't what we can

like if it's got fucking beans and toast in it and stuff I wouldn't like it either but I don't know like What do you consider sparkling water? No, no, it'd be more the, we'd probably do have flavored sparkling waters here. But my experience with them would be the unflavored, so you know, periaires and things like that. So you're classic ones that, which just, it is normally a joke if you travel into mainland Europe. The Europeans love sparkling water. Most Brits famously don't really.

And so they will relentlessly mock Brits when they're abroad there on holiday for. requesting still water rather than sparkling. But yeah, definitely not for me. Even though, no, I do drink of a carbonated drinks as I am now. So just no flavor to that water. I love drinking still water.

Because it's, because it's still water. Yeah. Has nothing added? Exactly. Just unadulterated. What is the difference between still water and dust? Hardy, Harrah. Well, the distilled is the one right in front of you, because it's this one.

That was pretty good, actually. All right, unpaid or underrated cats. Yes, so this is the one I've been waiting for. Cats are hugely unpaid. They are the worst. Well, and I saw some of your notes on that. Boo this man. No, sorry, Keith.

Boo. No, no, yeah. Boo, fuck you. like gathering like what you had submitted you went on no no you went on a whole thing saying how much you didn't like them but then someone else had mentioned that you were allergic so are you actually allergic to him?

That is allergic to them and understand why you wouldn't like a cat but if you're not allergic to you're not Yeah I never liked them before I discovered that was allergic to them either they say the words to stop That's just confirmation bias Like they were coming around and you were just like Oh look at this animal oh I don't like when this is around It's like a ginkgo tree where you're just like

Why do things smell bad. Oh, I hate this tree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's just confirmation bias. You love cats. Everybody loves cats. The night I discovered that I was allergic to cats was absolutely appalling. So we around at a friend's house. Her mom owned and ran an old people's home. What do old people famously love? Pats? They had 17 cats at this house. Gee-hee, okay. Yeah, that's too many cats. And I suddenly just, that's when I suddenly learned Oh yeah, I'm allergic to cats when I actually couldn't see.

Well, that's just... You might also be allergic to the ammonia in cat piss because 17 cats are peeing so much. Yeah, it was pretty gross. But no, I am allergic to cats. So if I'm run at some friends' houses, we've got cats, then tend to, and within a couple of hours,

be finding my eyes very irritated. Now, technically, I'm also allergic to cats, but it's particularly cat dandruff. So cats who are well-groomed and or cats with short hair, I'm very good with. Cats with long hair, if I'm around them too much,

they will flare up my allergies. Do you find the same thing? I don't know. I've noticed I have to find out either. I genuinely don't like cats. I don't understand people's obsession with cats. You believe that your cat loves you. I think your cat's manipulating you.

just to get it. Hey, so here's a fun thing that I've never said out loud. I wrote an entire essay in my philosophy and cultural studies course about the weirdness of sleeping next to a predator that would kill me if it could. Despite me loving my cat with all of the passion of the world, I was not immune to the fact that that cat is the apex predator of our planet and would kill me if it had the chance. Or eat me if I was dead. I'm not immune to that. So I do understand where

you're coming from. But at the same time, that cat loved the hell out of me and you can't tell me any different. I have seen cats who don't like people and do like other people. Like my mother-in-law's cat does not like anybody but me, her, and my father-in-law.

Will not come to anybody else but us three. So, yeah. I get you, I kind of get it, but also, what do you think about dogs? Like dags? I do like dogs. However, I was also bitten by a dog when I was very young. Oh, that would put you right off.

Young enough, but I don't remember it at all, but it's just sort of left that sort of psychological impact. Just a little anxious when I get to know a new dog. Once I get to know a dog, absolutely fine, love it. That happened to my mom. She carries dog treats now. to see, like, if a dog comes running, she'll hold out the treat to, like, see if it's friendly. I think Jen does that with, you know, the lady on the trail that doesn't put her dog on a leash. No, she's holding out brass knuckles to punch that lady out.

I know. It was a jab. All right. Unpaid or underrated. Let's go with skiing. Unpaid or underrated. Skiing. So, just trying to play by the proper rules.

in terms of so I love skiing. Do I think it's unpaid or underrated? I think no, it's probably still more of a niche pastime. So I can safely say that as underrated. You know, you're getting to go on holiday, be active, be out in the mountains,

sometimes getting away from people. It depends on what time of year you've gone. Sometimes you'd be around loads of people. But a chance to be out in the open air, which especially being a, you know, a desk jockey. like me, there's a great chance to get outside and do something more active. Sweet. That's all I got.

It's all you got? Oh, geez. All right. My turn. Unpaid or underrated, exponential growth. So I personally think that is certainly underrated. That appeals to my love of maths. And yeah, I did, back when it was lockdown, I don't know if you guys would have done this at all.

Certainly in this country, it's a big thing to do Zoom quizzes with your friends. You're all stuck at home. And so with my group of friends, you know, we're doing a quiz each week. Each household, each couple would write a round of a quiz to sort of share the load. And so one week I actually just wrote a mine round entirely about sort of exponential growth and exponential numbers and everything like that. but the twist in it was that no one had ever said that, you know, okay, there's going to be 10 questions in each round, but each question needed to be worth one point each. So I actually

wrote the question so that they went from hardest to easiest, starting with questions that no one was ever going to get. But the points scoring for that round also went up exponentially because, of course, I wasn't getting points to that round. So it'd be unfair to that set around where actually couldn't score any points, but it meant that those insanely difficult questions at the start were worth a fraction of a point right up to, I think the 10th question was worth seven points for that round, and they were all going to get it.

So I was not going to be attracting a heap for having set a round on the quiz that was stupidly difficult. That is not how I took that at all. What are you expecting? Well, the job I just quit was because I was sick of hearing growth, growth, growth, growth. we want 20% growth every year and I'm like that's fucking unreasonable

like that is an unreasonable amount of growth and if you fall under the 20% then you're lacking and I'm like that's 20% like that's insane yeah all right cool unpaid or underrated R&B and soul music well I'm going to have to go unpaid

on that because it's definitely a popular popular genre, it doesn't particularly appeal to me. I do like to rap, hip-hop, stuff like that, but R&B and soul does not do it for me. That is not going to find its way into my... So what would you describe as R&B? So I think of, I probably think of more older school bluesy music there, I think when I think of R&B, yeah. I mean, I know there is more modern R&B as well, but...

Okay, yeah, because DeAngelo just died. and he was pretty much the epitome of R&B for a little bit okay here's a good one I have two more unpaid or underrated jumpers so

you're going to have to tell us for us for us non Commonwealth romper yeah what's a jumper a jumper it's just an older school name ready for having a sweater

or anything that's an extra layer on top, like a hoodie and everything like that, basically it would probably really refer to as opposed to just going around in a T-shirt. So, yeah, I'm pretty well known for going around in a T-shirt pretty well all year-round. I do have hoodies and things like that, which I wear if I'm actually out and it's genuinely somewhere cold,

but you're commonly still seeing me out and about in just a T-shirt. Yeah, I'm definitely not, you know, babysitting a coat all night or anything like that. I'm going out in a T-shirt, even if it's getting down to sort of freezing, it's going to be okay. Now, if your younger brother was wearing a T-shirt and put on a jumper, would you also wear that jumper? No, no, I wouldn't. He's welcome to do his own thing. I'm not going to be popping him. I tend to try and, even though he's a younger brother, I often pick things which would be opposite to him.

I see. I had a note from somebody that said that you guys used to wear matching jumpers a lot. Yeah, I mean, that's more when my mum was still in charge of how we dress. We were talking a long time ago that there's enough photos of us in matching outfits and so on, which, I mean, isn't that

lots of kids' experience growing up in the 80s, I think, really, but their moms did those sorts of things, certainly in this country. For those of you that can't see this, I clearly just hit him with a surprise on that one, and I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Last one, unpaid or underrated, eggs.

Ah, well, I absolutely love eggs. I mean, I can't claim to quite as many as Tanner, I don't think, but I'll have four eggs, four eggs for breakfast each morning, and maybe other eggs as well. So I can have to go underrated on eggs. I think they're just fantastic, fantastic nutritionally, but I think they're tasty. You can cook them in a variety of ways.

easy to whip up in a hurry. Here's a thing I learned recently. Do you ever find that you'll love eggs for two weeks? Cook the same way. Let's say you're just like, I'm going to whip them up and fry them. And then on like two weeks and one day, you're like, this is disgusting. And then you have to change the way they are. Am I the only one that does that?

I want to eat the eggs. Yeah. But I mostly want them hard boiled with salt and pepper. and then, like, I'll find another way to cook them. I'll love it for a couple weeks and hate it. Am I the only one? So I do hit that after a lot longer than two weeks, but I've started having breakfast at work a couple of days a week.

So I always scramble my eggs at home. Scramble eggs are. And I'll have poached eggs at work. So that helps during the week to mix it up a little bit. You poach eggs at work? No, work do it as a canteen. Oh, okay. Yeah.

You're in the lunchroom with vinegar and water boiling. You're like, yeah, this is delicious. Yeah, no, in my building, it's up to 4,500 people working in that building. So it allows canteen. Canteen means kitchen, Keith. I gather. I do have one callback.

Something kind of didn't go over and something that I know. Over the pond there where you're at, not a whole lot of big garages, not a whole lot of tall basements, right? So how's that home gym experience? Because anything I've ever seen from any of my buddies that are in UK, it's just like half-car fucking garage or something that's just like... Yeah, it is definitely more challenging.

But basements almost don't exist at all in the UK. There's not that common experience. But the garages do. So I've got a what you guys would think of like as a single store garage here. It's about 20 feet by 12-ish, something like that. slightly under 20 by 10 and a half, something like that. So I've got a rack in there currently

with a couple of benches, a few different bars. Once, Keith won't be happy because I have not submitted photos to Tanna. But I want to at least get the floor all of the flooring down because I've moved from my smaller garage to this one.

So I need to get more matting to lay down. Once I got that down, then I plan to adding couple of bits. I'll probably add a bike for some cardio and I might actually get on that whole freak athlete piece because there's not a whole lot of options in the UK either.

Lots of the... So it's going to be a follow-up is like you can't just, there's not, there's really aren't as many distributors and whatnot over there. No, there's not. The one I'd like to get is that Titan leg extension leg curl, really, that was in Big Pools, Shim.

And Nate Moe also has one that you missed today. Yeah, yeah, but Titan only ship in the US, so I cannot get that. And that's true of a few different distributors that, you know, it's US only or US and Canada only. What do you have mostly over there? Lico is probably big. Lico is big, because it's in the, in space in Sweden, obviously. There is rogue based out of Belgium as well.

So I've got some rogue stuff. I got a rogue at Ohio power bar. It's one of my bars. But I don't, I don't have checked, but I don't think that they do. that maybe I want is a leg curl because I also go to a gym at work which is free and their leg curl machine absolutely sucks so that's why I want to try and get something I can do leg curls I'm at home so I can use that I'm not so fast about leg extension part but you might as well get something that's going to do more than just one exercise right all right that was just something i wanted to hit on because i know that's like a it's a common trend with anyone over there so i believe you passed everything i don't think anything else is really jumping out we got a hit on so did you have something for us as we'll turn it around let you uh put us

on the spot give us the yeah yeah i've got a few questions and a few games hopefully that we can play so there's some questions first of all uh he you said in the past that you've got pretty much the same playlist list that you put on for training for years and years and years. I wondered whether since Big Stephanie has started to join you a bit more down there, whether you've had to adjust your music listening choices at all, whether she's quite happy to tolerate that. That is a really good question.

So a lot of times she'll go down there by herself and not turn music on. She doesn't really care. She does like 15 to 35 minute workouts and can, kind of hit everything she needs to do just because her top sets are only, I mean, for her, it's amazing, and I'm very proud of her, and I love her to death. But, like, if she's only working up to

a hundred pound squad or something, it's like she can do that in 10 minutes and be done and do her back off, because it's just, it's not as much, just mass she's moving. She's still doing great, but I don't, she, I made her a playlist years ago, um, but there's a lot more like Zumbae kind

of shit and it's really, it's not really her vibe anymore. For the most part, she'll listen whatever I have on. She doesn't love if I have country on. She won't want to train to country, so I will have to, outside of a mid- Because I have like- I'm with you, Stephanie. I have like, I do have like four different playlist. I kind of will toggle between

and countries, one of them. Um, so as long as it's one of the other two or three, she's pretty much good with whatever as long as it's not too loud. But it is a good question. I, and I've asked her. I've tried, she doesn't, like, she couldn't tell you a song and who sang it or who this, that, and the other. So like, she's just like, anything's the one time she did say like it was either bodies or whatever it was

whatever song Tommy was shitting on the day before on like their like metal their like top gym songs or whatever and he was just like only people I'd listen to this ironically right and then like the next day or like within a week Stephanie was like will you play that body's song for me and I was like yes I will that I will gladly play that and I will turn it all the way up for us but no that was a very good question I like that I've got a follow up for that one before I move on to some Joey stuff is what's the most fun and least fun of Stephanie becoming Big Stephanie

Oh Most fun is just That's a good one So yeah anyone I'm not familiar Stephanie on her own accord Joined the discord if you will She joined crew maybe Shit I don't know

Six months ago give her take Sometime in the last year More than three months less than a year Oh The most fun might be I don't have to screenshot stuff to her anymore like she can go find it herself if it's something that was like discord related um but also the least fun about that would be like she's on discord now so i have to

be more necessarily careful but it's just like anything i say she'll kind of see but also i don't think she ever gets on discord unless she's added like so she's i don't think she's ever looked in there unless someone like did add stephanie so it's not as big of a deal but getting like multiple crew gifts is cool um it didn't really help us this round because how random it was, we only had one not duplicate card out of the batch. That's a good question. I guess maybe her feeling more like she belongs when she does go to Lift Hard Live Easy, even if she's not competing, just to be like, I am crew, fuck off.

Like, you can't say that I'm not crew adjacent. I'm legitimately crew because it's like three bucks. Did anybody ever say that to her? No, no, no. She's just very self-conscious. You think I'm self-conscious. You meet my wife. I have met your wife.

I love you. I know, but I'm saying she's extremely. She was the most welcoming, friendly person I've ever met in my life. I might like her more than you, no offense. Most people do. I like her more than me, and I love myself. Sorry, that was a joke to the listeners. I love Keith.

But Stephanie is also incredible. No, she's dope. She's, I don't know, she doesn't. She has actually, no, a follow, or additional most fun, if you will. she's actually like willing I know I'd hinted at it a couple months ago or several weeks ago that she like listened to an episode now so like now she's

I almost don't have to twist her arm to like oh it's Sunday the episode's live can we throw it on the TV and she's like yeah because before it'd be like no we're like we're finishing this TV show we're watching now it's like no like I'd rather I have a book tape to listen to my drive I want to listen to the massonomics podcast now and it's like I know you're not going to bed for another hour and a half so can we just

throw this on and then can just plan our phones and listen to it and she's like yeah it's fine and then like those times there she'll be like, I'll just finish, just turn it up, I'll finish it, and I'll listen to it from the bed, you know, as it's like, it's winding down. So that's pretty cool. Like, I wouldn't say she listens to the podcast by any means, but like she is absorbing it much more than she would have maybe like, you know, a year ago, two years ago, three years ago, four years ago. Consuming. Yeah, consuming. Yeah. So one for you, Joey. so given your love of wrestling and I believe if I'm right of a history and kind of like creative writing and writing more generally

did you back in the day ever do e-feds this might bomb completely if you've never heard of e-feds before so like where I would like fantasy football but for wrestling sort of yeah they were basically like creative writing

games online games for wrestling where you'd play as a character two people would just come up with a creative bit if you like to submit each week and someone who's running the fed would then decide who was the winner and stuff like that no never did that i did that um i did that with fantasy and anime but not with wrestling yes yeah it might be that just um i'm only fractionally older than you guys i know like a couple of years but it might have just been i landed in just that right time to know no no and that's that's a genuinely fair question

it does seem like something that would do yeah but no I I never got into that kind of thing interesting and I guessed it I guessed it from the word e-feds I had no clue I was like it's definitely some kind of like yeah

it's super niche there as well I mean you end up with like a couple of different camps of some of them which were just straight up smack talk, insults, kind of children's playground type of thing. I would never do that. They were pretty lame when you're having like maybe 300 words that's just simply insult after insults like that's not particularly creative writing.

And then you get other ones which were literally people writing mini essays, building up a character. Yeah. It sounds like you, if you're doing anime stuff as well like that, that you'd probably be familiar with it. Interesting. As somebody who is not like anime, yeah. I was definitely into that kind of weird thing

this was back though like honestly when chat groups first started this was back exactly we're actually early naughty is one of the university age absolutely oh you went mute you're mute I heard of buzzing and you went mute

I think I think your batteries must died he hasn't tried to talk since you told him there he is okay yeah we lost him and see you next Tuesday boys up there he is there is welcome back your pods might have died maybe and that's why

I don't know now you're muted can you hear me now guys yes yeah I think your pods might have died because it's definitely coming through a different mic yeah we can do it live is this better is this better can you it'll work yeah you're back that's what matters

so an FMK for Keith and it's kind of been teed up already because you mentioned it just then Joey and all variants of these words apply as well FMK for the words consume adjacent and then I was struggling

for the third ones I just put in just basically all curse words you know oh it's got to be you know it's really have you know well I definitely

I'll kill you know because that one just catches me off guard and I was so I did experiment I think a couple weeks ago I was talking about maybe like if it would be in a bit of any benefit

of us going back to episodes like early episodes and listening and I don't know there was a specific reason I went back to an episode today I can't remember what it was, but I did listen to episode brief parts of episode one

or episode zero, I think it was, and like right off the bat, like I'm gonna say, I fucking caught myself saying, you know, and I was like, ah, so I'm killing that for sure. So then it's, it's either Mary or F, uh, consume or what was the other one? But, hold on. I just, I just

want to put this out there. Like, you know, we don't. We don't, we don't know. It just, it irks me. That's all. It irks you because I pointed it out. I feel bad about that. But at the same time, like, I get it. It's a vocal tick. I have vocal tics that, like, I say, um, uh...

I think, yeah, it's the equivalent of just a pause, because I don't... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you should not let that get to you, brother. Yeah, um, all right, so adjacent or consume, those are both really good, and I kind of play into them now, too, I think I have to F adjacent and Mary. I think I am Mr. Consume, and I, I am Mr. Consume, and I, Oh, yeah. Tanner says it now, and you know every time he says it, it's like, it's a pass at you. I'd say that's fair, yeah.

Mary consume, F-A-J-I-I-I-like adjacent, but adjacent's theirs, I think. Or I don't even know if it's something they, I think, maybe it was just more of a discord thing. They got a-no-no-no podcast, or wasn't always the phone. We started that. Did we say, I, yeah. No one else says consume like I do, basically. Everyone else, most people say adjacent, but I am like the consumer. of consuming, of consuming.

And I love every time Tanner says it, it's, I'm not, like, when I say a pass to you, it's like a nice toss, where he's just like this is for Keith, not a knock, it's not a, it's not a smile. Yeah, it's not like an angry or violent thing. It's just a

pleasant little underhand toss to Keith. Yeah, and one final game, you can both have a go on this one, I think, and it's got a little bit meta, because we're going to go FMK, for the games, Mount Rushmore, FMK, and

unpaid or unverated. I think... I'm choosing between your children. I think I would kill Mount Rushmore. I don't know. I thought I would like it more. I don't know.

You thought I had it so easy. And you said it on this podcast. He just got it so easy. He always got the easy way. And then I was like... The submissions used to be so easy. much. Yeah, and then I was like, okay, I'll take FMK.

And then I fucking slayed that too. Like, it's not, no, I'm sorry. No, I, I would, I would marry unpaid and underrated 100%. They don't do it anymore. We took it over. This is ours now. I love you guys. I love the sister podcast.

Yeah, they just only have, we're the only podcast that does guests. Yeah, they don't do it. I don't want them to do guests. So if they do a guest, it's a bad episode. Sometimes. Not really, but sometimes. So we took that over. I'll marry that one.

For sure. I would fuck Mount Rushmore because, again, that's ours. God, help me. Who was the one? It was on our episode. Was it Big Jeff? No, somebody's going to murder me for this. But it was one of our guests that invented that.

And then they took it. I don't even remember the, I could have swore they did it before us and maybe they're not. I don't know. I swear one of our guys did it. I don't know. Like I legitimately don't know. Somebody here did it and then they took it

so that I would have to kill FMK because FMK like ultimately if you look at the answer sheet FMK is always either I don't know that's three random things that are not connected. Yep. Like I would,

I would I would get rid of that Or it's just like It's like TV shows Or football player I'm like well that's not what we're like I'm literally asking you to tell me three Like I'm I'm I'm busy tell me three things But they don't know

I'm as busy as a dink I do Yeah so I do like yeah I think that's where I'll differ from you I think I would still I'd kill him rush I don't I think I want to switch back Because I think I like it's a thing

It was nice to It was nice to have a little break because by doing least fun, most fun, and FMK, it's a little bit, it's like a double, I have to think twice, basically, but now that I've seen Mount Rushmore, Mount Rushmore doesn't always have great, wouldn't say great decisions,

but sometimes like it's not what I want to talk about, so I still pick something else. Whereas FMK, I almost always have to pick something else, but sometimes, I don't know, 30% of the time I pick something submitted, the other time I am coming up with it, and that always kind of was like,

I can just do both and feed you one. No, I like, it was a nice break. but I think I miss it so we can switch back unless you want to I got you homie you just tell me what to do

I'll do it we'll switch back on that one but I did I did edit I did edit some other stuff one thing you think when you took a P I liked I want to start this is more like post show stuff

but whatever the fans will like it I'm gonna switch and do once we get the guest on the horn I want to just immediately have them actually introduce themselves rather than what brought you to Massonomics but I don't know we can debate on that one

but I think that would be Not a 8 makes sense. I like that because it's always like, we'll talk about your journey to massonomics for 10 minutes and then we'll tell you who you are. So it's like, I think if they already like know who you are, and like, oh, I do follow that guy on Instagram and everything will resonate more maybe

since it's the first time they're talking. I don't know. And then I did add your second option under hype person or person to lift with. So that'll be there for next week. Thank you. And I think why we

Matt was that was all you had for us which is amazing that was some of the most fun games those were actually like not repetitive well thought out like very good it can tell you've listened I like that he put it back on us like your own games

how do you feel about them and we had to be like on air FMK FMK that's that is I think you even said it you said it was meta going into it and that was I dig that

I really dig that so that shows me you probably I know you've where's what's your journey and our backlog look like yeah so I decided to get into your back catalogue rather than an

mathematics one really because it just feels more relevant to the here and now rather than diving back a really long time and then I started I can post on Discord early days when I joined crew asking you what were good episodes

to pick out which 89 was one of of those and so I actually started from 89 whilst listening to the current episode each week, put up to the current time. Now I'm not to which was that the, we explained bits or was that, what was that

one? No, no, it was. Or was it a, was it a individual person? Was it a guest? I can't remember which one was now, but it was funny. It was good. No, carry on. And so then I went back to the beginning and I've got as far as

60. It was our favorite guest, Megan Johnson. It was Mac. I thought it was Big Mac. I don't know. I mean, I could have saw that one coming a mile away. It was Big Mac. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That was one of my favorites. She's a sweetheart. Yeah. I'm up to 62 now. So I'm basically got between 63 and 88 to catch up on. Oh, dope. So that's in the past like, what, five months? That is impressive. So is that, are you have a pretty big amount of podcast? Do you go through a week or is it just pretty much us in Massachusetts? So I usually, I did use to do something. Plus, I'm one of these people who listens at a higher speed. So I don't think you talk quickly, Keith. I think you talk at a perfectly normal speed. My doctor told me I talked quickly yesterday. Yeah.

So the first probably 20 episodes, Keith talked too fast. I did. And then so did I. Hold on, hold on. So did I. And then we both slowed it down. I think it was one of those things where listening to our podcast, me so. I still listen to it at one and a half speed, even at those early episodes.

One and a half is okay, I guess. People that say they'd do 2.0 or 1.8. You're not hearing nothing. You're not hearing Keith at all. It's like a fucking commercial for those micro machine guy. All right. Well, I guess we'll throw it back on you. Where are we going to find yet, Matt? Yep. So on Instagram, it's a transplant underscore athlete. And on Discord, big. Kid me. Beautiful. Big Joey where you at? Uh, underscore. At Joey underscore

Malasco M-L-E-C-Z-K-O. I don't have enough underscores. Everybody's got underscores all over their name. Like the M-Dash. I just just picked a number at the end of my name and it was just easier. I don't know. I don't want to have to like say underscore. But that's all like when you created Instagram 10 years ago, you didn't think you'd be saying every single week. Oh, speaking of that, did you know that you can look back in and find out when you

created your Instagram? Yeah, I think it's Yeah And you can look on other people's too 16 years It's wild I was a late adapter I was like

Without looking I was like 2000 Yep February of 2013 So I will be at 16 years In February I'm at like 15 and something years

Jesus Yeah I'm 2013 to now I don't think takes A bit math If that's not 16 years It's close it's like

it's like 15 and nine months or some shit but like it's it's bad 2013 it isn't 2013 2016 that's 13 you've been saying

13 years yeah maybe like 12 years and then next am I that off whatever screw Instagram

and that's actually my second Instagram account I had one for about three years before that and then I deleted it when they made some weird rules

and then joined again like geez all right well if you do like Instagram and don't mind the weird rules we have a we have a page you can go follow unpaid and underrated podcast we got the website where Nate does an extensive amount of work unpaid internpodcast.com

he just got orange glazed orange glaze search it's glaize search.com something or other all updated there he was very excited because when I sent him the the new spreadsheet of all my data and things He was like, this is going to take forever because I have to, like, re-format this and that.

And he, like, he slept on it and woke up all excited because he was like, oh, but I did it in like five minutes. It worked perfectly. It's awesome. I was like, thank you. You're such a nerd, Nate. I love you. No, listen, the problem was not processing the data. That's all automated.

I have that squeaky clean. The problem was I'm currently using Svelte 4, Svelte 5's out. Everyone's moving to it. I don't really want to migrate this whole project to Svelp 5. There's a lot of breaking changes. and the hosting provider I used needed a newer version of Node and the adapter I was using, I needed to migrate it so I could specify the Node version that I could use with the project,

but the current version of that adapter needed Svelte 5, and so my brain immediately was like, I have to update to Svelte 5. Got a good night's sleep and then realized I can just use an older version of the adapter, gave that a shot, published it, worked like charm. easy peasy always sleep on your problems when he told me it was like it's gonna take me forever to do this I was like don't do it like just just don't do it it's fine

like the ratings can just stop from six months ago it's not a big deal and nobody asked him to do that like he just one day he was like I'm gonna make a glaze search website and we were like okay dude and then he was like it's taking like 12 hours of my day for three days to do this and we were like 10 stop Paying for a domain every year before, too. And I'm just like, Nate, like, stop.

Like, do you have, like, hundreds of dollars in fucking internet names? Like, who's paying for all this? Like, you have kids to put through college. We have a YouTube, go race somebody for first comments over there, as well as on my Facebook. And then I'm Keith Honeycutt 73 on Instagram. More importantly, go follow my orange gym, the no wine cellar. Until then, we'll see you next Tuesday. Those are really good games.

I actually enjoyed that a lot. Yeah, that was really good. Putting it back on us. because now it's like we're going to have to reflect like okay I still think we could bail on FMK any day of the week I was surprised that no one else was picking that as a game to turn back on you guys I was really sweating on it well after I came up the idea several weeks ago I'm thinking

I just hope it's hard to think of three individuals because it's like I like playing it where it's either three things you hate or three things you love not like a mix and match because it's just an easy it's just like a, because then fuck or then a kill is just a gimmy. So, but I don't know. For me though, like I just listen through the podcast and I go through the notes and I just like, okay, what are some things I could ask that would potentially get some fun

answers that they don't get fun answers? They don't. I did the same for Mount Rushmore when that was mine. It's not, to me, neither of them are hard. I could. Not to steal from unpaid or underrated or the other person. game sometimes too because there's only so much data provided so I'm like constantly

like all right does this other information put somewhere else because I think I think that's a Keith overthinking game could be I think that's a Keith overthinking thing I mean that's how I felt as well like when you presented me with those rush more than like even though it doesn't matter what the answers are you know this is in terms of be

a fun time it's like my mind just went blank I thought it would be funny to like give me the best players in the team you hate because like I could like for me it'd be like don't want to Mount Rushmore for the Pittsburgh Steelers like a team I hate but like they have several hall of hand players so I'd have to pick you know four of them basically

but then but then I pull out the metal breakdowns and I know he knows very excited about that yeah I know he knows metal breakdowns but then to make him think of his favorite is like to me the heart of the game where they go oh man I wasn't expecting

that to me that's the heart of that game which is I was expecting maybe favorite bands or something like that, but to be as honed in on breakdowns, like, oh. Like, what did I ask, who's the wrestler, Dan Mercer, right? Yeah, in my world being, yeah, the other week. Where I was like, what was your favorite finisher to bump? That's right, yeah.

He's like, oh, my God, like, I'm so big. I could only bump so many, so I have to, like, figure this out. To me, that's the heart of that game, is make them truly think about this thing that they, I know they love and I know that they have insight on but they can't answer it on the spot and I want to hear that oh Jesus is hard

I want to hear that every time which is why I did Mount Rushmore for so long and then you put FMK in my lap and I was like well I'm going to do the same thing with FMK like I'm going to go through the notes I'm going to go through their Instagram and I'm going to give them three things

that like they don't know how to answer yeah yeah well I agree with you in terms of things that you love or things you hate because when they had their questions on the main Mathonomics podcast a few weeks ago, it was me who submitted the FMK for Randy, Brian, and I can't know who it was.

But the intention, not wanting them to answer that at all because that is almost libelous or something like that, really, to try and come up with answer. But just to get the reaction of, and Tommy provided it, like, I hate that question. Yes. that that wants to go I would like that

I hate that question but here's my answer right I'm never going to be like I want your thing on these politicians from your country or I want these

I'm never going to do that because it would be that I hate that answer I'm not answering that because I want answers but I want you to like have to think hard about them so

thank you for you did great Hong Kong Thank you.