Unpaid And Underrated - 142 : Massachusetts Economic Authority

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big José. They dive right into great topics like books, fantasy football prizes, tying shoes, surfing, and olympic lifting. Links Ü&Ü Hoodie Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab Get Your Own Keith Head Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast Our Guest On Instagram @bostonjoseluis Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar @joey_mleczko Special Guest: Big José.

All right. And welcome back to episode 173 of the Unpaid Nudderated podcast, a podcast by crew for crew. I'm one of your host, Big Keith, joined as always here by Big Joey. Hello, can you hear my kids screaming or should I, like, should I mute my microphone? No, I don't hear anything, bud. Okay, good. And this week, we have special guest crew, Big Boston Jose, Big Jose. What do you want to go by, sir? Big Jose is fine. I mean, they called me Big Boston Jose for a little while, but Big Jose is fine. That works. That works. I mean, to me, you're still the, you're the strongest, Jose we've had on the podcast. To my knowledge, you're the strongest Jose that lifts in well, no, you do listing kilos too. So we'll, that's a whole thing we'll get into later,

I'm sure. But yeah, are you drinking anything special over there, Jose? So I got, of course, you know, since I'm in Boston here, I got a polar. It's kind of a classic pink apple lemon. Pink apple lemon. Let me see. That's a crispy crack. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. We heard about all your polar escapades up there. Yeah, so. I just got a, just, this, this, same water, I've been drinking for the last six weeks because it's just what we have. I got nothing. I'm not going to lie. Jose, looks like you're wearing a nice fancy

shirt. Very nice. Yeah, I'm wearing out of my own painting on the rated shirt here. Nice. You know, this is a nice blank too. I like the, it is. It's a comfy one. It's almost a throwback at this point, like the athletic fit, whatever we want to call them. Like, they they haven't, they've done like two shirts like that

in the last couple years, I think, everything else is in the comfort colors. I mean, those little those bigger or bigger shirts, whatever now. Which they're both, both have their purposes for sure, but some people just have their preference. But I've got the comfort color, crimson and cream massonomics gym shirt. Crimson and Cream, great song, great song. I'm just, I put on my unpaid and underrated hoodie.

Underneath I got the chicken bake shirt because I like that shirt. That's probably my favorite blank. Nice, nice, nice. What do we got? We had the Sword Awards went out the last. week or so for the fantasy football. So we've already posted pictures of Chris's. He actually brought him to the gym at Strongman Saturday.

And we did some posing and stuff with that. So he was pretty excited to get his sides. Sides. Sides. Sides. Sighs. Is there a TH in there? Is it just like, like the name's, like, oh, that's a tough one. I don't know.

Someone will yell at me. It was Raphael's weapon. Yeah, yeah, that. And then Big Cody got his today. So Chris won the D-D-A league. and actually got like, like, cool, like, full-size prizes. And Cody won the B league. And he got, like, a two-inch little, like, sword.

It was the funniest thing ever. A letter opener? Yeah, honestly, it probably was a letter opener, literally, but that was really funny. Just, like, the contrasts of that, but it still being, like, which almost, I think Cody, like, I don't think Cody was able to be, like, modified and engraved with, like, what it was.

So I think it was just, like, something off the shelf, at least it's what it looked like. But, like, at the end of the day, like, I think Cody won as far as, like, not having this massive thing. He has to display somewhere or like, just like keep in a closet. It's like he's just got this little cool thing that you can just keep on a desk. And I think that would just be like the more convenient present overall. But I don't know.

I've never won a prize. I wouldn't know what it's like to have different prizes someday. Yeah, wait until you have to store the giant check. You still have that. Of course I do. Because Tommy threw out his. He did. So I have the only remaining coffee.

went away. Yep. Well, speaking of, did anybody get anything out of the new drop today? I did not, no. I have not yet. I'm on the fence about getting that long,

long tea. Yeah. Just to get through the winter, which is long in here. I don't think my arms are long enough to trust a long-sleeve tea, so I don't know. I'm going to pass on this one,

and I've already got a couple of gym shirts, so I'm good for now. But definitely, you know, if you're listening, there's three spots left on everything they got, so go get something. geez i'm going to be the first to admit i have not watched any youtube videos past like no i did i regret to say jose did not watch yours i did not watch carbs i genuinely

think the last one i watched was yours keith okay yeah it's been a minute no no i did watch waffle irons because i had a minute but um you know side personal tangent um uh one of my old work buddies message me he wanted to go out for some chicken wings and i'm out and my wife goes, oh, hey, the TV's not working. So I actually don't have a TV in my living room right now. And the TV from my bedroom had to move into the living room. It's about the size of this computer. Your kids love that.

Yeah. So I will not be watching a lot of long form YouTube anytime soon until I get a replacement TV. I feel that. Well, hopefully you can get a good deal on ones coming up. Yeah. Like the worst time to buy stuff too. It's like just after all this good sales.

It had to wait until January, didn't it? my one friend says she's got a couple in her house that she doesn't use so she let's use it till we can get another one but like, the adders keep a tab on Marketplace too. Well, you don't have Facebook.

But she's, I don't blame you. It's fucking horrible. It's the worst, it's the second worst place in the world. I like Facebook in general, but Marketplace in general is the worst. But,

you get a little, you know, they keep teasing this secret. Well, they keep teasing a couple things now. Now we've got like two different things to be teased. by. We're not sure what this secret project

they're working on is and, uh, you know, how that's supposed to be game changing and what that's going to be. I don't know. We'll see. And then, uh, the crew mailer. I think Tanner specifically said the most funny one yet. So I'm like, okay, where's, where's that gonna go? It's just gonna be a bag of gummy dicks.

Those were actually really good. For being dicks, those tasted really good. I was like, if you're not familiar, a few years. It's weird to say literally a few years ago, like almost three years ago, someone, in our first like 20 episodes or something, someone had anonymously sent me a bag of gummy bear dicks. So just because, you know, I've had a lot of random shit show up like unlabeled just from like friends and like fans of the podcast and stuff. But yeah, the gummy bear dicks. That, that takes the cake for sure.

And normally I know who sends you stuff. Right? I would say that like 90% of the things that get. sent to you, I know who sends them because they'll message me because they know that they can make me suffer with the knowledge. That one I still don't know. I still don't know who sent you that one. There are people that definitely have a good time just kind of sitting on those things of like, oh, gotcha. I don't really know. I got a little book update. So what did I think last time I talked, we just finished Red Rising and whatnot. So this, I knocked out a couple,

I think I talked about The Martian last week, too, possibly. So this week, I listened to Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, I think it is. So, like, essentially the play that is, like, considered to be book eight, but it's a play. But it was, like, the audiobook version I listened to was essentially just a dramatized, like, reading of the play itself. Pretty good. I mean, just I'm a fan of Harry Potter in general, so having, like, more of that content. And it was, like, so 20 years in the future, if anyone's not familiar. other than it reading a little goofy because it is like just like line by line of like a play kind of sort of and like it kind of you know character exits side screen and you know it has to it's a little wordy as far as like explaining context of like it being a play but definitely worth listening to or reading if you're just a Harry Potter fan in general. So I had known about it for a few, well, several years. I think it came out a decade ago. But I just kind of recently downloaded it. I think it was on good reason. It had like a bunch of.

review is like, ah, you can go, I finally give it a shot. And I did. And I was very impressed overall. Um, not as good probably as some of the Harry Potter books, but it's not, wasn't like dramatically worse. So go give that a listener or a read if you, uh, have an opportunity. So I have a book update too, by the way. What's you got? I, uh, I recently finished, uh, it took me a year, but I finished, I, I recently finished the wheel of time, a series of books. Oh, nice. I think I, I think I saw you post about that. First of all, I, I don't know if I would recommend. Actually, I recommend it. It is a very good. It's a seminal, of course, book series, but it is 14 books in every book is like a thousand pages. Yeah, they're like, they're,

they're 20-hour audiobooks or more. And I did, I did half, half audiobook, half reading, and the other, and the other half reading while listening to the audio book. So, so. How was that? Oh, so you like, like, I had the book open and they, I was, and then, you know, I find that useful actually. Interesting. I would just, I'd find that hard to like keep the pace the same or, I don't know. I guess. Yeah, I mean, the thing is that is that you, for me, at least, you get used to the characters being a certain voice.

So it was cool because the, yeah. Yeah. So that part was nice. The worst is when they switch audio, I guess, what's the, what's the term for like the person, the narrator? The narrator. When they switch narrators, like, mid-series or something. Yeah. And it's someone with a completely different voice.

That's happened to me multiple times. throughout like long book series and you're just like, what the fuck? No, I don't want to listen to this person talk. Where's the other guy? Yeah, luckily this didn't happen.

It was the same two narrators. And it was the man and a woman and you could tell if it was the perspective of a man or woman depending on who was reading. I think I did listen to all those. That's a great. That was a great series. I'm actually kind of hunting for something new.

I'm reading the, I robot. It's a matter if I comes across well with my accent, I robot. It's a smaller book. I'll probably finish it this weekend and then we'll see what I pick up next. Are you on good reads, Jose?

I am not on good reads, Jose. I do recommend it solely for what do I want to read next? And then like, so there's like 50 different crew on good reads now and most of it's friends with each other. So it's kind of cool to like, like, I'll go look at like Jen's books and Jess's books and Jake's books and stuff and just kind of like get tabs on what people have been reading.

And, you know, So you create the list of stuff you have read and then you can create like to read list and stuff as well. So I think it's just a very cool thing. But for me, I mostly, I use it for the archive aspect because I mostly do shit. But also another big benefit is like the gamesmanship and the community that you get out of it because you try to like keep tabs on who's been reading what and just getting a lot of inspiration from other people of what they've read and how they've rated it. So highly recommend that if you're just trying to submerse yourself even deeper in the crew and find other shit to read. Because, you know, I've read all those books and you could go through my list and be like, oh, he's read 20 of these books. Let's give it a shot.

And vice versa with other people. So it's my little plug on good reads. So IRobot is an Isaac Asimov. That's correct. Yes. 19, like 20. Yeah. And it has, it has nothing to do with the movie.

The movie was actually pretty good for what it was. But, you know, being the, Jose, you might not have list to a lot of the episodes, I'm a very big fan of that old school sci-fi. Oh, cool. My favorite book of all time is do Android's dream of electric sheep? I'll have to maybe I'll DM you at some point for the for the contact. Yeah, I read, I mean, from, I read, it's gone up and down, but, you know, I remember reading the Hitchhackers Guide to the Galaxy a while back, a while back. We literally talked about that this last week's guest man.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And then, but then I went into like this whole history, you know, where I was reading like C-star's Civil War, which I thought it was so cool to read. read something that was written like two thousand years ago and stuff like that. And then I read a bunch of science books, and not just the stuff that I read for work. And then lately, when I got into fantasy books. So anyway, so as we know all over the place.

That's awesome. Well, I know I got to watch your YouTube video last week. Well, actually, we can, we'll get into the YouTube video when we, you know, maybe when we get the guests on, actually. That might just be more fitting. So that wraps up most of this. So last week's episode, Jose, do you remember what last week's Massonomics episode was and give us a little synopsis of that

and a rating if you got time? So yeah, I guess last week's, I remember sort of three things about it. It was like a big training update for Tanner and Tommy. And I think Tommy, first of all, I am impressed with him because he's doing it. He's doing the, you know, his training is going well, except for his death left for some reason. And then, so he says, because I think he has his deadlift.

if it's like super compared to mine anyway. But, and then also, the way he goes about his nutrition and he's sleeping. So I think he hasn't dialed in. And I don't have my nutrition dialed in. So I need to, I need to work on that. And then Tanner with this rehab, and I guess the rehab is going up and down. I can remit. I can, that's not the right word.

Anyway, so I feel the same way as Tanner because I also blew out my ACL, my right one. So it takes a while to come back. And I actually blew it out playing basketball, sort of like pick up basketball. And that's fair. So when you're here, you don't have ACLs. Yeah, exactly. Biggest threat to lifting.

Pick up basketball, apparently. And then actually, Tanner and I have a lot of similar things over the years, by the way. So it's kind of weird because I only recently met him once. And then also how to sell a powerlifting meet where they sort of basically They said how a masonomics is great, which we think is great. But they were talking about how great they are and how great we are. So I guess it's cool. So, but I'm going to give it five out of five, live hard to Vista classic.

Nice. Nice. Well done. What do you think, Joy? Yeah. How to sell a powerlifting meat and strong man meat in less than a day is just, I mean, like, it's pretty straightforward. And if you can't follow these rules, you're a loser.

All you got to do is podcast for a decade, develop a community of people that actually care about you and each other, right? And then put on this lifting meet for three years. And then the fourth one will just sell out immediately. Like, it's that easy. Come on. Like, come on, Alpha males. It's all right in front of you.

It's all the podcast stuff right in front of you. they're not wrong and no part of what they said was wrong. They've been doing this so long. I went to the first and second one. I came from Canada. The first one I drove with a friend. Second one I flew and he drove. This brings people from all over the place.

And we didn't go because it was a power lifting me. right we went because it was the lift hard live easy and it was our meat it was the crew meet it was for us and uh you know all jokes aside there is no way i don't think anybody could replicate that unless you're on lord Schwarzenegger sorry right there's no way to replicate what they did so i really enjoyed the tongue-in-cheek um kind of um what's the word i'm looking for here not motif Either way, the tongue and cheek aspect of that episode was being like, yeah, just do what we did. It's easy. So I didn't give that one, five out of five's, uh, Keith's flights being delayed every year.

Well, I hope not. That's not one would for this year. Yeah, the training update. I do love that like the, you know, they even make fun of themselves in the moment, uh, that they talked about their training update for like 90 minutes and then they talked about Lister Leverie for 20 and then it was still labeled Litterd Lovizi, you know, how to sell out, whatever. I did like when they were kind of like in real time going, who else could do this? And they're mission in Jugi and Brian Shaw.

Well, like with both for sure, if they put on, you know, Brian literally did do it with, you know, the first year of the Shaw Classic during COVID and stuff, but like no fans could come or whatever. But like still getting people to travel that you want to interact with and that you want to like invite over to your house. It's just there that doesn't exist. Like like you said, like Arnold, sure. get a thousand people to come to do something, but like, he's not going to be like coming to my house where we're literally going to like, and they said that too, yeah. There's people that are going to like, like, use, you know, the facilities at their house.

And like, even though there's a porta potty, like, there will be people that, you know, it's just. There was not a portipotty at Tanner's house for the first year. No, your one there wasn't for sure. I definitely like held a, held on a piss for like three hours and finally let one lose at Tanner's. No, I for sure did at the end. But I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I waited until like, you know, uh, but. And is, and his, it is, it is. His backyard goes against a park. So you can't even just like... Yeah, no, there was no...

There was no... There was no... The headro was, like, threw up back 40, and then there was a... Then there was woods, but it was like, through an entire fucking farm.

You can't even camping trip it. Like, you know, you're just flashing kids. You know it. Yeah, yeah. Trying to think what else was in. This was not a week that I was able to jot any notes down,

but... And then the pre-show this week got me all twisted of what, what was what? And I don't know. I still, I don't like missing the pre show. And then I end up just

sticking around. But yeah, five out of five, uh, lift hard to be easy. Make it easy. Uh, yeah, uh, also then they were naming all of the people that were like, they couldn't do this. This person could do this. This person. And they said, I think Bradley Martin. And I just like, I literally in my car went, who? Oh, he was, well, the funny thing about him is when he opened up his gym, he did this whole thing where like, it was an open gym and then he had to kick people out. And it was like really funny. He was like, if you're not an influencer with like a hundred, thousand followers, get the fuck out.

Because, like, there was just too many people in the gym and they needed to, like, only have famous people there. So it, like, was more popular for him. And, I don't know. It was just like, Bradley Martin is, like, the anti-fucking Tanner and Tommy as far as, like, and I guess he even has a podcast, but, like, I don't know anyone that listens to it or gives a fuck about, I don't know anyone that gives a fuck about Bradley Martin in any capacity. So, not only...

He's very, very famous, but he's, like, one of those famous people that, like, I don't give a fuck about. So I don't know who he is, probably for a good reason, because I don't... It is just... I don't do influencers. All right, cool. By the way, I got to laugh when they said that Megan lifts could get it going, but a while.

Megan Squads. Megan Squads. Yeah, Meg squats. Weird people will show up. Yeah, yeah. I have been to the Arnold and watched her booth for a bit. Yeah, I can confirm. Weird people show up.

You get an affiliates? You want to hit us with her, Joey? I do want to hit you with Obsidian, Plate Snacks, and Beltfed. Can't, you know, we say it every week. Obsidian. Best ammonia. I'm actually going through the back catalog right now where they actually first got their box from Travis,

and they still had a code, which was awesome. I didn't know they had that. Plate snacks as well. Most of you are getting your stickers from plate snacks. Keep it up. And Bell Fed Strength. Chris, amazing dude.

Crew specific, so please don't share that with the rest of us. But those are 10% off on all of those. I think Obsidian is 15%. and yeah, it's code unpaid. Love it. Big Jose, do you have anything you want to tell us about Massonomics? Sure. I have an ad here for Masteromics, so let's see. So the Unpaid Out Underrated podcast is brought to you by Masternomics and the Masanomics Supporting Membership.

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Back when we used to be a proper country and coffee was only three bucks. You know, actually, the way you said that, I got to put this out there if it's okay, and Nate can delete this if he doesn't like it. The idea that supporting memberships supports this podcast. I don't think anybody has ever worded it that way. And I really think we should focus and latch onto that a bit. Actually, Keith, you know, put that in your notes, put that in your spreadsheets or something.

That's incredible. That was a really good line, Jose. Thank you. There's your supporting membership. Not only supports Massonomics, but it supports what we do. Yes, we have a lot of listeners that come in at different times and stuff. So, like, as Joey's alluded to, like, Tanner flips the bill for whatever expense as Nate has on the back end for the website and Zoom and this, that, and the other, as far as I know, Tanner's

paid for all that for three years just without question. So, you know, that's several hundred dollars over the last few years that we haven't had to contribute, which has been great because I think contributing several hours a week is enough that we don't need to go out of our own pocket. You know, he's offered to pay for stickers a few times for us also. So, you know, yes, crew has paid for this essentially, but also Tanner just wanting this to continue for us has been very easy. Because all, I mean, every podcast fucking, like one little pebble in the road and this might have gone away. The first time the three of us have a pissing contest because someone owes someone $40 because we have to split the dues between the three of us. Like not having to fucking deal with that.

Like I have friends that have podcasts that die for dumber shit than that. Yeah. Like just not having a financial motive behind us having to do anything. whoever, it's been great. So we really appreciate you, Tanner and Tommy and crew in general, keeping it rolling. That's really cool, by the way. That's actually nice.

That's why we do the weekly ad read by the guest, right? Is that like, there's really, we have all these affiliates. We all have, like, we have codes for them. Some of them are kickback. Some aren't. But in reality, our main and only sponsor is massonomics. Yes. But I like the way you worded saying by default,

supporting members, supporting us. I like it. I like it. That's good. I'll pull that clip if I can remember next week. Yeah, I'll find a way to word that

in a better way than I just did. And it's probably the way you did. I get you. All right, we got to kick everybody out of here. We got a bunch of people in the chat. They're in the Zoom chat for some reason. We really do have like nine messages

in our Zoom chat. So we go get rid of those. Yeah, and read all that. See if we can get Jose on the horn. Big Jose, is that you about? Hey, hi, how are you? Yeah, it's me. Can you hear us okay? Yeah, I can talk to you. Yeah, thank you.

Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Finally. Well, this is your opportunity to go ahead and introduce yourself, just what's your name on Instagram, who are you, all that, just if anyone wants to find out who you are. Okay, let's get right into it. My name is Jose Luis Herrero. So I'm one of those people, in Spanish, we have two names. Jose Luis, but in America, we just have, I just go by Jose.

I guess in Canada, too, by the way. I learned English in Canada. Maybe we can get into that, by the way. So my handle, most of my handles are Boston Jose Luis, because I live in Boston, and my name is Jose Luis. And then on the Discord, I am big Boston Jose. Nice. Love it. And then, you know, you're on unpaid and underrated now, but that means you had to be part of Masonomics and crew.

And as the episode number entailed, I think you were number 170 through 173. So that's a fairly low number. So how did you find Masonomics? What brought you to them? What kept you with them? So I guess Instagram found me on Masonomics. They kept giving me massonomics posts sort of like right after I started building my garage gym and posting about it, of course. But then to be honest, at the beginning, I thought it was some sort of like Massachusetts economic authority.

For the longest time. Because everything here is a mass turtike, massive, and that. Sorry, it took forever for me to actually click and say, no, this is two people from South Dakota. Oh, I definitely just woke up Stephanie laughing so hard about that shit. Oh, that was fucking good.

So Massachusetts Economic Authority. That's the episode title, Nate. Don't even send us a questionnaire of what the episodes are. That is the title. So, yeah, eventually, you know, I bought a shirt. So it was sort of like the don't, the first shirt I bought was the don't, don't curl on me shirt or whatever. I'm okay. I'm sorry.

I'm back. That got me. That got me so good. Oh, that's amazing. Anyway. What was I? I don't even know. You bought the don't curl in me shirt.

Yeah. And then, you know, bought some banners for the gym. for the garage in whatever. I forget. I was not in crew at the beginning. When they first announced it, I was already listening to the podcast. I don't know when I started listening to the podcast,

but it must have been at the very least in the episode 200, if not earlier. And no, I have not listened to the back catalog yet. But wherever I started, it was already pretty early. But I missed on the first credit card that they sent. And then I was so patient. about that. That's sort of like when I joined. Gotcha.

So, and then that's when I, that's sort of like, that's why the number is 1.73 or whatever. I mean, Tanner probably told you, I'm sure Tanner told you about 20 times. There literally were only three spots left. There was a line in the sand and you could have got in. In my mind, Tanner himself was upset that I was not. That I was not a member. Well, at least you got in better late than that. I mean, you got in earlier than literally 600 other people.

So you're, you're better than six. hundred some people. That's pretty cool. It's a good feeling to have, isn't it? Anyway, yeah. So, no, it was, I liked it. And over the years, I've stayed sort of quiet in the background, mostly consuming. And then lately I poke my head, you know, and the Discord a couple times. And then a couple times I've asked questions now. And then I went to, last year, I went to home gymcon when I met a bunch of people. And that was actually really cool. So we have to figure out next year where I, what I'm not. to do math dynamics wise next this summer that is yeah on on your youtube video you were you sound

like you were kind of hem and holl and not you're very non-committal so that that was that was that was that was that was recorded a few months ago so we're into we're we're we're we're a couple weeks into q1 you have you still haven't figured anything out yet no the problem is that well now i now i do the problem is that my so i i um first first of all by the way um today we're having sort of like a midlife crisis because my son just turned 21 uh my daughter uh my daughter uh just got into college, my 18-year-old daughter, daughter. So, yeah, great. But the thing that I, and the reason that I say all that is because we didn't know which college she was going to get into.

And that, sort of like, I couldn't make any summer plans until that then because it was going to be like, which, you know, when does she need to move in? And then what does the date of all that stuff? So, yeah, so that now that is known. And I just have to do the math and figure out if I can go, if I can go to the left-hardly-visy or home gym con. I want to do one of the two at least. But then my wife reminded me like, when, I hope she doesn't listen to this podcast. Anyway, it's like, it's that 25th year anniversary?

You go on to Massanomics? You're not going to the trip. What up? I mean, it is couple friendly, like, unless she likes home gyms or power within strong, and she might not love it. Well, at home gym con too, but I mean, it's. So first, I want to say, did your daughter get? into Canada's best business school.

No, she was thinking into the one school that she passed, her mind was Miguel, but no, she didn't, she ended up, did not apply there. She got into some, one of the local colleges here in Boston. Okay, and second, I mean, just remind your wife that Storybookland exists. Like, Aberdeen is for couples. The dean is for couples. So, anyway, we'll see. And then, yeah, then we have another trip planned, which is already. instead. We have planted it a while back. We're going to...

My wife's family... My wife's from New Jersey, by the way, but her family is from Holland. So we're going to Holland, and then we're also going to Spain. There's an eclipse in Spain. Talk about astronomy. So we don't want to miss that. So, yeah, there's a lot going on, but I do want to... I do want to see my crew, too. So, by the way, so... I'll have to work something out. Worst case, Ontario, you end up in crew falls in December. Yeah, that is also... Yeah, if there is also... Yeah, if the summer doesn't work out, good point.

Like, crew falls is fucking awesome. Like, it is the most fun. Actually, you're only about, I think, eight hours away from me. You could just come up here. Toronto, yeah, I guess technically Keith is closer. Yeah, but you don't need to go see Keith. That's not a trip. You can't travel the big expanse of New York, just come to Ontario.

It's too day. It is a big state. I know that. It is. It is just fucking massive. bigger than Boston That is correct That is factually correct

Where So we know you're from Boston We can skip the where do you live Do you want to talk about where you're from So I was born in Panama originally So So I moved to America to come from college On my mom's side

My mom's mom is American So I was able to I was American I was able to immigrate easily Back in the day So I I went to school in Connecticut for physics and astronomy. And I went to grad school for astronomy also.

And then after I realized that astronomy was not going to do, not going to be something I wanted to do for a career. Because the next step would have been to apply to a PhD program and really become like an astronomer, like a professor. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, that's just not for me. But in the back of my mind, I had, I also had a backup plant the whole time. I always knew how to code.

I always knew how to program. When I was a little kid, I was already programming a Commodore 64 computer. And I took a lot of programming classes and internships in college. So I think I mentioned in the pre-show that I better luck than good because I was able to find a job as a software developer. And then from there, find a couple of, you know, I'm on my third software development gig. So it's been a good ride. So that's what I, that's me in a nutshell, I guess. That's the elevator pitch anyway.

From what I know about coding, so you have your degree in astronomy, but you are coding for a living, but coding is closer to astrology because it doesn't make sense. It's all made up. And you can just direct it where you need it to go. And sometimes it just fixes itself.

Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, in astronomy, there's a lot of that, a lot of astronomy, at least what we did, what I did, was a lot of data processing, by the way. So we had to learn code. So there was no other way.

Every astronomer is both a physicist and mathematician, a software developer, and probably an instrumentation because they build all their own instruments. That's incredible. And I also just really wanted to take a knock at astrology while we were talking. Do you know your Hall of Fame status as of today, including this? So I guess I'm, no, I used to the math. I have seven, seven marks, seven marks, including today. So.

What's the most likely one you're going to knock off next? So that's a good question. I mean, if I go to the left-hard left easy, I wouldn't compete, but I would go to watch. So that would be one. Or if I go to Home GymCon and they actually switch the rules, which I think that's not going to happen. If I had to put money on it, but who knows? Maybe one of those would be they had the easiest ones. I guess in theory I could listen to the back catalog

But I have a lot of things I want to do too So I know it's so it's so Dunding Yeah I have I have about nine Less than 90 episodes left And then I will be a master's completer Which apparently doesn't matter Until I go down and get my coat

Which I know I'm still I have a question about that coat by the way Sorry to drop, but I mean, they keep talking like they don't want to babysit a coat and then they give you a coat. That's good point. There's some irony. I mean, I didn't think there was a... I mean, it is more of a win.

Well, unless you're Eddie and Bryce and you have to get the custom like four X ones that are literal winner like Parker's, like because they are like bomber jackets. But like the other ones are just like they're windbreakers. So, you know, ironic. I mean, we, unpaid and a rate it did come out with the help of, it was, Hogan. Yeah,

it was Hogan. Because Joey E won the first one, but then Hogan was the, the supplier of our win breaker, which is pretty much the idea that they stole from us. I mean, it's all good. Now,

I'm just busting their chops, but no, we did have a windbreaker out first. Anyways, it was just more of the same. Essentially, it's not a super heavy jacket, so.

Yeah, it's a prize you win, and they go, Oh, here, you babysit them. Yeah. It's pretty funny, though. The irony of don't babysit a jacket. And then the worst is when they give it to you, like,

in, well, like, the guys that have to get it in, like, July. And it's just like, oh, I want to put a coat on in July. Whereas at least when I got it in December, it's like, okay, cool. I'm just, I know he was getting it, so I didn't wear a jacket to the bar. And I was like, okay, because I know I'm going to end the night with this other jacket. So it was a good one. But you said, so you came from Panama to go to college, essentially. So you've been here for 30-ish years, then?

I've been here. It was 1889 when I first came to America. Okay. So I don't know. I can't do the math. I can't do that math. I was five. Yeah, I was five.

So I'm a little older than you guys. Too bad. And not by enough. What is the one piece of Mastonomics merch you wish you had bought? Oh, so there's no lot about it. This would be the actual reason for me to go to one of the two people that they would be hardly busy so I can get it. It's that blue shirt, the blue lift shirt.

Oh, yeah. We can wear a year. I don't know. I just always, you know, thought it would be there until it wasn't. And I was it. And I was like, wait, wow. Yeah. So I, I, because I bought a ton of all the stuff over the years.

There's no lot about it. And I like them all. I just don't, I, that classic one, technically, that classic one, I didn't buy it, technically, but I bought it as a present for my lifting coach. Oh. he wears it, but he's bigger than me, right? I wear large, he has an extra large.

Just get bigger and beat him up and take it. There you know. In any case, I wish I had that one. I want to get that one somehow. I know that I see it in the background, and some of their booths, so I don't know if it's possible, you know, getting it in person. Yeah, historically, it's available in person.

I don't know if they'll have it at home to Jim. I don't know if they, well, we don't know. honestly don't know anything about their booth for Home GymCon, and they're not going to have an Arnold booth. Yeah, never say never. Yeah. Right. So, but we can get into your CTF.

We do know, you know, a lot of us had watched your video. We can make it, so if anyone that watched your video already got your spiel on the gym, so do you want to touch your, you know, talk about a little or as much you want about your gym, but knowing that a lot of people already watch your video, but I want to hear more about, like, you're just experienced with just having Tanner or Tommy show up to your house

and, like, the couple hours you spent with them and how fun that was and any, like, behind-the-scenes stories. Yeah. So they showed up and then I, you know, I was super nervous. First of all, I was not nervous when they showed up, right? When they show up, one thing happened, like, you know, okay, of course, but Boston, right, I was going to go get a donkey donut coffee and I texted them, hey, do you want anything?

And then they said, oh, yeah, no, we're okay, we don't need anything. I'm like, all right, well, I mean, I know that they track their macros to like a tea or whatever. So I was like, I'm not going to buy a bunch of things. donuts and then like you know like get me having here but then I felt bad because in every other house that they went to they had like food for them or whatever everyone gives them food everyone gives them food yeah and I'm like pepperoni rolls they might they must think like I'm the biggest like you know like a person in the world I mean we we were talking about it the other day how you were the only one that didn't give any food you know they had mentioned that at crew

falls I'm done this kid I'm just I'm literally kidding I know I know but it was I feel bad about that But no, they were super nice. My wife, if it's speaking of, actually turns out, they were talking, my wife is there for a little bit. My wife had actually been so South Dakota for work for in some years ago. So they talked about that. They started, I was so tongue-tied. Like, they were so, like, you know, I don't see. I have watched the video and it doesn't show, but I felt that it's so tongue-tight toward the whole thing.

You came across well. anyway, but and then there were things that I wanted to get into that we didn't get into. For example, like, oh, Jose, it's the person that, you know, gave us this horrible, like,

waters, which I did send in waters. I think it was like jalapeno, margarita waters or whatever. They touched on it, but it wasn't elaborated on it. Oh, no, that was you? Yeah, that was me. So, infamously, I did it on purpose. I didn't know that was not going to be good.

So, anyway, so, and then, but then they said, you know, what else? Oh, yeah, they started. statistics thing that I posted about. Yeah, the most important, my most important contribution was the counting, and I forgot to mention it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, how do you count your sets

and how you count the 12? Yeah, after that, I can't ask, you know, I just peaked out some of a massonomics peak for Jose. So, yeah, that was you, the one, two, three, four, five, one, two, three, four, five, or do you count to ten? The cool thing was that Tanner and Tommy had different ways. So they were actually kind of fighting it out. Because if they both did one way or the other, it wouldn't have been as funny.

So anyway, so they, I wanted to get into like some things that I wanted to get into because my gym is small. I have a small gym. But it is a relatable gym. It's a gym that people can actually, this is, you know, you don't need this big giant gym full of machines, which is cool if you have it, of course. So, but so it's similar to Tommy's gym, except that he shows. like a separate sort of like cable machine and he has like uh you know the dog you know you don't have many dumbbells he has like uh little dumbbells whereas i chose the weather way around my cable machine is attached to the rack but i wanted dumbbells so i want i wanted i actually had that prepared in my head

the whole feel and i didn't say it nah and then uh anyway it must have been nice to know they were coming and have a to prepare to prepare way way yeah yeah yeah exactly I fucking knocked on my goddamn door and said, are you ready? I'm like, what the fuck? I thought you were in the, I thought you were in fucking, the,

what do they call it? The, the, uh, the New England tour. Not the only surprise gym tour and he's whining about it. Relax. No, no,

no. I was, it was relevant. Um, and then they got into the whole, the, the surfing, which,

you know, if you want, I mean, I know that you talked about it last week at the episode and about, you want, you want to know about the wax or whatever. Oh, yeah. Sex wax.

Yeah. Yeah. We did have sex. Yeah. Yeah. So it is a thing. That's what we use. I used all the brands, too, by the way.

But, yeah, there are two kinds. There's tropical wax and cold water wax. Because if you put tropical wax and you use it in the winter, it's basically like candle wax. So if you step on it, it's like an ice skating rink. So the cold water wax is a lot softer. But if you take cold water wax in the tropics, you know, cold water wax in the tropics. you step on it. And again, it's also like that, right?

Because it's just like melted wax. It melts right away. It melts at a very low temperature. So at the end of like a surfing session, does just like the water and your friction or your feet end up wearing it all off? No, no. Actually like clean the board to put it away every day. No, that's a good point.

So the wax stays on. You only take it off once a year or something. So you put a good base on it. And then on every session, I just kind of like, top it off. Do a little bit of wax on top just to make it like rougher. Imagine, again, the analogy of chalk is true.

So you used to put a little bit on top. Interesting. And by the way, we wear wetsuits and with a hoodie gloves. And the gloves are actually mittens, by the way. And boots and booties. So it's really just your face that's exposed.

Right, right. It's really just sort of like this ninja face that you would have. And of course, you know, what you don't want, which happens all the time, is that square of water that goes exactly through through the back and you're like, oh, yeah, nothing like 30 degree water running down the small your back. So, and yes, by the way,

there is the, I will say this, there is a little bit of shriekish, just like, you weren't in the pool, Jose? What, I'm sorry? So you weren't in the pool? I was not advised. I was, not advised.

And by the way, one last thing about surfing, there is surf in the Midwest. And those great lakes, they're surf. Like, I don't know if you guys know, Sheboykin in, what's the name of that, Wisconsin, in Shevoykin, Wisconsin. And a lot of those towns, you know, Chicago up and down and everything, they're surf right in those lakes in the winter. What lake would that be? All five lakes have surfed, by the way. And then...

I've seen wind surfing here on Lake on T, on T, on T, wind surfing for sure but it's also wave surfing from the storms yeah that's fair we've said it before on here Jose these are these are I call them inland sea yeah lakes are great lakes more than any other I mean big giant ships full you know going out of that bad thing it's just true yeah lakes don't look like this to the rest of the world and then people come here and they're like from the UK or from any other country in the world and they see the Pacific Ocean they see the great lake and they see the great lake and they're like like, this is not a lake.

I can't see the other side. And you're just like, this is the lake. So I've never done it, but what I read is that cold water, sorry, as fresh water, you don't float as much. So it's actually harder. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway, cool. That's the surfing segment, I guess. But if you have to go, any questions, please let me know. It will segue in as more serving in a bit. But just the last general question. So you had a decent, I think you had a handful of people that got submitted some questions for you.

So how did you go about just explaining why you were sending a questionnaire for a podcast? So I mentioned that this was a, you know, podcast for people that train and they have garage gyms. That's all I basically said. It's easy enough. And then I submitted it to like people that I live with in my garage gym, like basically neighbors. And then some of my family, I don't think any of my family submitted back, maybe. but I made the mistake of passing it on to some fraternity brothers that we So I am afraid of what they might have said

So they because they know all the skeletons in the closet So actually I don't think you whipped it Never mind so we got let's see so I can tell you real quick So you submitted Matt Brad Man Nike Yeah Jason and Cody Oh cool so yeah that's actually a good swath One neighbor, one co-worker, one fraternity brother, and who else, I forget.

Anyway, it's like, oh, no, one training partner. Nice. Well, usually we like to get a little more family in there to get some dirty store, not dirty store, but like background and stuff. Well, it is what it is. So that's the problem. Like, my family is in Panama, right? So, like, that I did not give them, they have, they would have no. Yeah.

I mean, science is in English. They speak Spanish. so I'm okay with Spanish I can actually understand like if they had submitted in Spanish I probably would have figured it out I can't speak it but I can understand it which is a weird leftover thing

from years of training back in the day yeah no it's weird it's like my life in Panama and my life in America is like basically dual personalities that completely different you know and they just found out you lift like is that yeah so I

Actually, I started training in Panama, to be honest. What's the gym scene down there? So I remember the gym's name was called Hercules, as in like Hergaly Hercules, a mythical guy. There's a lot of rust. In Panama, everything rusted really quickly. It sounds like my basement. Do you want to hit him with the least fun most fun?

Yes, sir. Jose, are you familiar with least fun most fun and how we play? Yes, I am. All right, so anyone listening, all of Jose's friends and family in Panama, who I'm going to specifically try to send this to. Lease fun, most fun is a game we like to play here. So we're going to give Jose one topic, and he has to go through and essentially tell us the least fun thing about it

and the most fun thing about it, not either or just both. So Big Jose, least fun, most fun. I'll go kind of the low-hanging fruit here. Surfing in Boston. So I guess the least fun is changing out of the wet suit in the winter. I mean, that can get cold. that. Actually, I've learned to change in the car, Houdini changed in the car now. So there's just no, you can't, especially when the wind hits you, if it's windy. And most of the time in the

summertime, and the wintertime is windy. It's like, I mean, you're basically kind of naked for like a few minutes while you're changing out. And then, you know, it's sort of like in your wet and it's like, it cuts your skin. You can imagine, remember that you ever had that feeling that, you know, so that's not fun. The most fun is, of course, the surfing. Surfing is like, awesome man like it's like the mafia once you're in you can't get out so you don't surf alone much do you like you're always surfing in groups or do you have to go and surf alone i go to the beach i go to the beach alone uh once in a while i have a couple texts of different people that we might meet but um but when i go i go alone uh but no i everybody knows when there's ways right there's pot there's like cameras pointed

at the beach uh and there's like um you know uh uh prediction apps, everybody knows. In the old days, you have to do your own predictions. Then it was like, you have to drive to the beach and figure it out yourself. But now everybody knows there's no secrets. So when there are ways, you're never surfing alone. So that's nice, which is, you don't. And then, yes, different beaches, you get to see the same people over and over.

So you've got to get to know people. But, you know, it's more like a hay kind of people. So how often is there actually a surfable surf? Like, I don't know. So there will be one. We got, we're getting a, I don't know when this part. because we come out. Tuesday.

We're getting a snowstorm. Right? Yeah. On Sunday we're getting hammered, I think. Like the whole. Right. So there will be waves on Tuesday and I'm already thinking like, ooh, dude, can I go into the beach before work or whatever?

So I don't know. The days are so short in the winter too. So that's another problem. But yeah, if there's any kind of waves in the winter in the, on the weekend, I'm breaking promises. I am lying. Gotcha. But you don't have like,

if you were, if you wanted to, you can't surf every day. So you can maybe. No, no. You have to live, yeah, you have to live like in,

in California and things like that where they actually get more consistent surf. We surf after storms here in Boston. Oh, okay. So there's one of the surf shops, it's literally called

North Easter surf shop for, because it's like right after the noreasters. The more you know. I learned something new. Most every, I don't think there's been a week that we've done this podcast.

I didn't learn something. So it's pretty, cool. I didn't realize that, I didn't know you could surf really at all until, I mean, we've known of you in general, but then getting a little more details of how often you can kind of serve and that it's all based around the storms is very interesting. Right. Well, good, well done. Okay. That's going to come down to a hype person. So I also thought long and hard about this, by the way. So I'm going to give sort of like two answers.

One is that I really, I was thinking about like, who am I going to? Okay, I'll just say it. It's Jesse the body Venturo. Oh, hell yeah. I think he would be a good high pants person. I liked him as a wrestler. I liked his life story.

I think it's an awesome individual. I just think he's been a positive for the world. And I feel that he would also hype you up. Never mind how cool of a dude he is. So anyway, so that's my sort of like, celebrity person, but really, anybody at my gym already. Like, you know, again, I think I said in the video, I have a gym downstairs, but I also go to a weightlifting gym, and they do, it's a cool community.

They do a good job of, like, you know, hyping you up before big lifts. So, so I'm going to give him a shout out. Do you want to drop the name of the gym? Oh, yeah, no, yeah, cool. Aspire weightlifting here in Massachusetts. That's amazing. Yeah, you'd be the first person to say Jesse Ventura, and

now it reminds me I should work on my impression to him. I'll get there eventually. I liked him in Predator, too, by the way. Well, of course. He was a great wrestler. He started the flamboyant colors and everything long before anybody else did. Really good answer, really good guy.

I don't think I'll ever be able to hear Massachusetts again without thinking of Massachusetts Economics Authority. That's funny. I think that's so funny. That's just that has to be a thing. I went off camera. I was red laughing.

Like I was. Yeah, you put your head in your lap for. Yeah, I was done for. That's like Massport, mass pike, mass.

I mean, it is. Oh, I for sure didn't know what it was for like several months, I'm sure, but like,

just to, to think it's about Massachusetts and it's like a targeted company to you. Yeah. But it makes sense as you live in Massachusetts.

So like I get it. Um, do you want to do, we've already talked about what you do for a living. Do you want to go any more on it or just settle it where it's at? You're an astronomer who does code it. So, yeah, I mean, that's, I really, I really enjoy solving problems. So I'm a software developer.

But, like, I really get a kick of, like, I'm a tool. I don't know if I'm, I'm almost doing like my yearly review here. Just what I do last year. So, you know what? You just write it and I'll sign it. I like making people's life easier. So whether that's a small script for somebody that, you know, that before they have to do three steps and now they have to do one step

or something larger than that. Like I really, I like solving, making people's life easier through software development. So that's what I do. That's what I do for a little. Okay. I have two questions from our producer. Okay. And if you don't mind.

Sure. Okay. will software engineers be useless in a year like Cursor's CEO just said? So I don't know. I can't predict the future. I mean, there's many, there have been many examples in the past, right? Like, you can imagine having, like, people at the turn of the 19th century saying, like, will there be ever, like, horseshoe makers are never going to, you will always go need

horseshoe makers? And bam, here comes the car. There's been many examples like that. I use AI for my work all the time. I find that now, survive, you know, in this last year, but it's been like just to me, it's a different tool. Like it's been a super empowering tool for things that used to take me a couple of hours to like decipher or to infer what's wrong with some error or something.

It can look up things a lot faster. it can do it in seconds. But that just means that I can do more. On the other hand, the way that it thinks, the way that AI works right now, at least for like coding, it really wants to please you,

at least the ones that in my experience, and it will invent things that don't exist. So, or more to the, what can happen is that sometimes it can see, it feeds, these models are trained on documentation, right? If the documentation is wrong,

then it will give you a wrong answer too. And that has happened to me a lot of times. So you really have to, at least for me, I have to rely on my own knowledge and my own knowledge of like the system that I learned really all the way back to when I was a little kid with my Commodore 64 for like putting it in place.

So imagine it's like if before I was I was coding with like screwdrivers and things, like that and now I'll have power tools. So that's that's a good analogy. Okay, good answer. Yep, I like it actually. But yeah, if all that low-hanging fruit,

well, I still wouldn't trust like a system that was built purely on AI, but it can do a lot of things, a lot of pieces. It can give you a lot of pieces, but I still think there's a human as to put it together. I agree. My wife and I talk about that quite often

is the reliance on AI and just how wrong it can go and how it's like, you know, AI art is not really art. Like, it's just you're technically a writer at that point. You're just writing prompts to get the thing you want. So I'm with you on that one. Second question from Nate, have you ever used operator overloads?

Yes. Could you start by explaining what the heck that means? So that's, first of all, takes me back to C++ where, like, I used to work in C++ and now I work in Python. So it's been a couple of years. But, like, for example, the plus sign. The plus sign between two integers can mean, like, add this two integers together. Or the plus sign between, like, two strings, like, just like two words, means put these two words together into a bigger string.

But you can say, like, oh, I have my own objects or classes. and I have a class that represents Windows and I have another class that represents cars and I'm going to create a, I'm going to define plus to be, you know, window plus car to mean something else. And you overload the operator that way. So I don't know if that made sense,

but you can, essentially you have a plus sign, all the operators, plus minus equals, all those things. You can, in C++ lets you redefine them in such a way to, like, in theory, for you to be able to have, for them to have different meanings. It's something that I've used more, I've used in the past more, like, as a client, like there's libraries that overload operators.

I don't know if I ever, I probably did. I don't know if I ever had to, like, actually overload operators myself. But, yeah, but that's what they are. I don't know if that made sense. To an extent, yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right.

There are more from him, but that'll come later. Okay. I think that's enough work talk. I've said it before. This is not the work podcast. This is the lifting podcast about nothing. Okay. All right.

Keith, you're up by there, buddy. Yeah. So you touched base on it on the podcast a little bit about your lifting history, but, you know, anyone that didn't, or sorry, on the, well, it is a podcast. Your YouTube video was a walking podcast, as we like to say. But anyone that didn't get a chance to watch that, just catch them up to date on when you started lifting, how your lifting journey went, any competitions you've done, what you're currently doing, what you want to do,

just give me the whole gambit. Right, so, yeah, so I was always, by the way, I was little, I was always tall and skinny, and I was always being, I was always very, I was always this skinny kid. I was like, when I was in high school, I was like almost six foot. I am six foot now, but back then, and then like 130 pounds. So I always had sort of this complex of being weak. And the bus, my school bus drove by a gym, that Hercules gym, all the time. So I was like, man, I really need to get into that gym.

And eventually I did in Panama with a bunch of friends. But then I went to college here in America. And then again, I was the same weight, you know, the same skinny kid. My, one of my friends, in fact, Matt, by the way, the guy that submitted, I said, hey, I want to start lifting, but I really don't know how to lift. And then he's the one that sort of got me into the college gym, and we started lifting with York plates and those old York bars or whatever. Nice.

And then, you know, the combination of lifting, again, bro lifting, not really like the combination of brolifting and cafeteria food at the university, I gained like 30, 40 pounds of, you know, I want to say muscle, but it was probably not all muscle. and then but then all through my life my 20s my 30s my 40s I always did I guess three things I surfed but in Panama and eventually I started surfing in Boston because I also didn't discover that was surfing Boston until later same and then I played basketball again I played basketball because in Panama I was quote unquote tall but here in America I'm not

tall and then and then I was I was going to the gym I was quote unquote going to the gym. But it's only recently that I started, you know, why you would consider lifting, right? So only, it was, I built my garage gym. It was, it was going to, I always wanted to build a garage gym. And we built it like, really like right before COVID. So I started, like, at least the first iteration was right before COVID.

So I was, I was able to get a bunch of stuff. I started doing, starting strength. It seemed like a good program to, to, to get into. I got hurt twice doing it. Oh, no. Yeah, five by five. And then I was like, oh, I think, you know, I feel that I, you know, actually it was like a friend of mine that also lives from work. He was like, the best advice I can give you is to work with a qualified coach.

So, and I not knowing any better, I sort of did a search for weightlifting coaches in my area, not knowing that weightlifting was like Olympic weightlifting. Literally Olympic weightlifting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think a lot of people don't get that still. Looking up with those hot coaches in your area. Right. Exactly. So, anyway, so I started lifting with him and learning the only, I always wanted to learn to, I always wanted to learn to clean a bar, a bar bell.

And so that's one thing he taught me. But eventually, like, oh, if you're going to clean, might as well kill him jerk and snatch and everything else. And we moved from low bar to high bar. I've been doing high bars ever since then. And then also like, you know, I mean, my mobility has gotten so much better, but I squat way to be low parallel now. So that's, I bet you if I move to low bar and just squat to sort of like powerless in depth, I could probably, you know, my numbers would go hot more than what they are now,

just from the movement itself. But I'm not chasing numbers right now. I guess, again, I'm a little bit older than you. guys, I'm just, I'm just lifting for health, really, to be honest. So that's really, that's really what it comes down to. I'm lifting to stay strong into the years to come. Any aspirations to do a weightlifting competition? So, yes, I will probably do that. There's a couple that are coming up. I mean, I need, my snatch is really bad. Like, I recently learned to snatch, by the way. So if I, if I can, when I can snatch the blues, I'll probably start looking for a,

I don't think anyone. I'm confident that because they do, they just, they literally lives two weeks ago at my local gym. They did a, they, they do a weight lifting competition annually. And I watched some of it on the live stream.

And it was just like, just people out there doing like, like, like, 50 pounds. Like there's, I mean, there's kids and like,

you know, older women and there's like, a variety of people that no one gets a fuck what they're doing. Like, like the dude that did 300 pounds overhead, got the same responses that, the kid that did like 30 pounds. Like,

no one fucking cares what you live, dude. Like, and you're not getting, as you've said, you're not getting any younger. So like, do the fuck. Don't like a...

If you can only do it 130, just fucking do it, man. Yeah, Keith, I think it comes down to the same thing everybody has ever said since the beginning of this. Don't wait until you're strong enough. You already are. Well, anyway, so yeah, maybe we'll do a part... I mean, okay, fine. We'll do a lifting...

I know if I tell my coach, she's going to be... Yeah, the one that's coming up is called... It's called the Bay State Games. It's the one that the local meet that's every year in June. So... That sounds like... Well, there's one in July. it's in South Dakota.

It's called Lift Hard Live Easy. We're talking weightlifting, though. Yeah. You do whatever you want, but like it sounds like you're putting all your money and your effort and your eggs into weightlifting, so you don't want to be like five years in and be like, remember when I was a lot more mobile five years ago?

I should have done it then. So like, I don't know, man. I implore you to get something on the calendar. Right. The other thing that happened last year, the reason that it didn't happen, among other things, among my own, my own, what are we going to call,

stupidity, let's just say that, is that I did get hurt last year. I got a hernia, sort of like in one of those growing hernias. And I was so pissed about that too, because lifting was going, if one of those things were lifting was going great. And again, I wasn't doing macro factor, but I felt that I was eating well and everything else.

Yeah, yeah. And then, boom, I got the hernia. And I was like, oh, my God. And then, I mean, I continued training. through that, by the way. We had to be, like... You didn't have to have surgery. You kind of just did it sound...

Eventually, I had surgery. Okay, yeah. They put this mesh thing, this plastic mesh thing in there or whatever. I asked the doctor, like... Oh, yeah, two things happen, by the way. Yeah, it's true. So the first thing is I asked the doctor,

so, hey, when the archaeologists might find my bones 2000 years from now, they'll just see a big piece of plastic next to be up. Yeah, that's how they'll find you. That's actually true. But then the second thing is that, there was like a scan that had to make to like find what the hell was going wrong with the hernia, right? I don't know. Maybe they overshare, you know, it's also with the American medical system.

Oh, you have insurance. Let's just scan your whole body. So anyway, so, but the thing is that the doctor was like, by the way, this is the hernia. Okay, fine, whatever. This is how I know you lift. You see this muscle here? Most people is like this. Yours is like this. Nice. They're like, all these internal muscles, they're pointing them aloud. That's actually really cool. That is very cool to see. Like, oh, the last 30 years of my life of having a barbell in my hand has paid off. The doctor in my scan can see that this muscle is actually a muscle.

That's really cool, actually. So just get gut-nose, it doesn't show on the outside, but on the inside is where it counts. It is, yeah. Yeah, I still remember going to physiotherapy and them telling me to do, take a ball and do a five-pound, one-legged squat. and my chiropractor was also in that office and he was a lifter and he also knew what I could do and I remember him walking by Jose and he sees me holding a five-pound ball he looks at the physiotherapist and goes you might as well give him a balloon man give him something better and I was just like like I felt so proud because like at that point I was doing 350 pounds right so I was just like

yeah okay this guy knows uh yeah I could appreciate that I can't appreciate that. So that's cool. That's lifting. We'll see. I mean, there's a couple of numbers that I would like to hit. I guess I might as well say everything. So I've never squatted 300 pounds.

So that's, I would like to do that. And I would like to also deadlift 400 pounds. So when I do, I'll post those. Those were the two things that were actually closed last September, to be honest, before the hernia. That's why I was pissed. So how has your recovery been? Like, I mean, it sounds like you're working with the coach. So is your coach giving you like weekly programming when you're home as well and you're doing a couple in-person sessions?

Or how are you, uh, he gives you, uh, he gives you, uh, oh, she's, I could have the heap of me, but he gives, they, it gives you, um, I mean, I guess I could do it with one of the apps, right? But now, I mean, I actually kind of like having a coach and it's a local business and, and, and it's not that much, but in the brick and mortar. But, um, uh, it's by, the blocks are a month. And then, um, um, uh, it's by, the blocks are a month. And then, So four weeks. And he gives you a spreadsheet. And then I told them, he knows what I have in the gym. So I actually left.

He programs me three days a week and I do one extra day on my own that I just kind of do for fun. Or with the neighbors or whatever. And then I go to his gym twice. And so I lift him downstairs twice. And then the reason that I have to go to the gym, well, first of all, I like the classes and everything. And like I said in the video, the Olympic lifts, you kind of want to do them under supervision. Yeah.

But also my garage game is not that tall. I was listening to the episode last week from you guys, when you guys were talking about, like, also doing Strongman and then overhead movements, and then you have to, like, go between the rasters or whatever. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, cool, maybe you could do a snatch that way, but you really have to, like, light it up.

So. Put, like, tape on the floor and stand in that spot every time. Yeah, but it's harder with the snatch because then you got like, you know, you're doing a split jerk or whatever. It's like, is, am I going to be in the right spot kind of thing? So the clean and pressure you want to split jerk, that is. So, yeah, I do, I do two sessions in his gym and two sessions in the gym down here. And he programs me, again, every, every block. And yeah, and with the rehab, to be honest, like, when you get hurt, I mean, because everybody gets hurt all the time, right?

So, but you think, oh, he programs you through that, too. So it's like, oh, now you're hurt, fine. So now we're going to do a lot less weight. But guess what? It's going to be all kinds of tempos and high number of reps. So it's like almost worse. It was harder work being hurt than it was just getting stronger. Yeah, that's not a lot about it.

Awesome. All right. Well, I got a little switch of gear unless Joey's got something for you. I just wanted to hear more about just as far as coming to America from Panama. Do you think it was a little easier or harder coming when you did? Like when you said you came out like 18 or 19. So, like, you didn't have to deal with, like, getting bullied in school and shit, but then you're also, like, harder to make friends maybe? Like, I'm just curious how your experience went and how you, you know.

So, yeah. So, I mean, I guess I went, my high school was in Panama and some of my best friends are in Panama. But I was always, as you know, as you can probably smell, I was the nerdy, the nerd, the kid. I was definitely on a nerdy crowd. I don't know if I got bullied, but I definitely, there was definitely some amount of that in the 80s. so you have to be tough skin or whatever sure no

I had a when I came here I had already I really knew how to speak English and how to read English and everything so that was not a problem like I said I mentioned before by the way

Joey I learned English as an exchange student and they sent me to Canada to Alice Alberta I spent the winter in Alberta so that was cold So, anyway. So wait, wait, whoa.

So this was in 86. This is before I came to America, right? So you learned English in Alberta? That's right. So I was the same thing. It was this program through my high school. You could sign up. And then in our summer vacation, which again, in Panama, the quote unquote summer,

and it's in December, January, February. But it's not really summer, by the way. Panama is technically in the northern hemisphere. but it's the dry season. Otherwise, it rains every day. It rains. So I signed up and then my host family, which unfortunately, I lost touch with them over the years. But I feel bad about that.

But yeah, they were in Alberta. In this day and age, I think you could find them if you wanted to. Yeah, unless I passed away. And I only, for whatever reason, I don't think they're in Facebook or whatever. they only found their LinkedIn and I ping them and I never got to ping back. And so I was like, you know, maybe they don't like me. No, I'm sure. I'm the worst part is that I'm like George Costanza by the way.

I'm like, everybody has to like me. If I could bring it back for just a second here, there's three places in Canada that you don't want to learn English. And one of them is Alberta. The second one is Quebec. And the third is Newfoundland. And you chose one of those. Well, it was chosen for me.

So, yeah, I did get to see, what's the name, the Oilers with that Grand Feier and all those guys. Oh, awesome. I'm also kidding. I just, Alberta has a particular accent. Right, right. You know, there's an Ontario accent, especially in the northern. Then you got Quebec, which speaks French, obviously. And Newfoundland, which speaks whatever the hell they speak.

But yeah, I just thought that was funny. You got the, oh, yeah, bud, you got that, you got that version of Canada. Oh, yeah. It does make sense. for anyone that's listening can obviously hear that Jose has a little bit of an accent

and now we know that it's a Canadian accent. Yeah, that's a Canadian accent. It's a Panamanian accent on top of a Canadian accent. I don't know. You never know. So,

anyway, so, no, yeah, I came to Connecticut and, you know, I don't know. It was, by then, you know, I don't know what else to say other than, it was, looking back on it,

it was pretty easy. I was lucky enough to find a good group of friends, mad among Vince, but others too. And it made life easier, to be honest. If you jump in with the right crowd, they were really, they were really great. It was a good experience with those four years in college.

That's awesome, man. I'm glad to hear it. A couple of people ask about like basically a generic, what would be like your destination surf trip? So I'm going to I'm actually going to one I'm going to El Salvador in March And then

The thing with that That place in El Salvador Is that it's like a wave pool It's like just Where I'm going is It's called El Zonte And then it's really good And in fact I'm actually a little

Nervous because I hope it doesn't get too big Because if it gets too big It can be a problem But like too crowded or the The waste the waste can figure Right So you'll spend thousands of hours to get there and be like, if I go out there, I'm going to fucking die. Yeah, yeah.

So basically, the bigger wave, the faster they travel. So everything has to happen faster. So, so. But if it's, if they are, if the waves are sort of like my size, it would be perfect. Like, it would be great. But yeah, so I've been to Hawaii. That was not very nice. I mean, I surfed there in Maui, but it was super crowded.

And then I don't think it was not very friendly. I've served up all the way up on the day. down the east, you know, from like Rhode Island all the way up to actually Nova Scotia. And the people get nicer, they farther north you go, by the way. That makes sense. In Rhode Island, they basically don't want you there. So I don't know if Brandon's going to watch this video, whatever, where he lives next to a surf beach in a surf town there. He does, yeah.

I wasn't watching that video. He literally takes his electric bike, like, a half mile from his house and he's on a beach. Yeah. And so, but they don't, they don't want, especially people in Massachusetts' place. I don't think that that's, they don't want. you don't want to say. But when I was in Nova Scotia, people that were practically pushing me into ways, basically,

they were so nice. So I would like to see, it would have to go to the South Pacific someday. Oh, no, no. Well, I know exactly where I want to go. I want to go to Peru. That's where I want to go. In Peru, there's a wave that when you basically,

it's the longest wave in the world. You stand up for like a minute. your legs get tired, basically. Usually a ride is like a couple seconds. Like I mentioned, you're mostly paddling and they just surf a little bit. This is sort of the other way around. You actually are standing up for like a good 50, 60 seconds.

To the point that at the end of the wave, you actually get on a little boat, and the boat takes you all the way back. Wow. So anyway, so that would be, I want to go there. That's on the to-do list. I always heard Australia had the best surfing. So Australia is very good.

I don't know if I'm going to make it, But I don't know when I'll make it. I would like to make it to Australia. But when I, it's one of those things that I don't know if I get, if the Australia trip will, whenever I go somewhere and I start saying the word surf, it already becomes like a thing. Like, this is not a surf trip. We want to go on vacation.

I love this place. Can I just surf for a second? No, I get it. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. Every time I go and I'm like, hey, I think one of my friends has a gym around. here. No, they don't. We are not here for that reason. It's almost the same thing. I was going to make the same analogy. Yes, great.

Tell me about your only fans content. We don't normally talk about that. We've had other creators on here that create only fans, but I think it's worth asking you about yours. So I actually don't have an only fan content. Obviously, yeah, there's a, there is a joke there though. There's a funny story who's tell us. There's, I don't know. I think, I think, I think, Oh, there's a, there's a, the barbell trend of a video that you and your buddy made in the gym of the, the trend of trying to roll a bar over your ass. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that. Right, right, right, right, right.

Okay, okay, okay. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. For a second there, you genuinely thought I was like, tell me about your only fans. I had to reel that one back in for you, Joey, because he was super dumb. I have friends that would have thrown me under that bus. Yeah, yeah. So I don't, I, I,

he was like, I just need to be very sure. I do not have one of those. Yeah, no. Not what we were implying. But, um, that's good stuff. That being said, yes. So, um, my, um, yeah, that was that trend. I don't know at the gym where you lie down and see if the barbell, you know,

goes over you or, or it cashing, cat, casas you in the butt, right? Like, if you, to see if you have a big, a big butt, like from squatting or whatever, uh, And then we did it at the gym. And I think we might have posted in a story or something. And I can't remember. I think the bar didn't quite get stuck on my. I think my butt is not big enough. So it was almost.

But I did feel it. I did felt it like going through going. I think the way they explained it, though, is they were the one filming and pushing the barbell. So it was just them filming your butt. And like, because they couldn't do both at the same time. Right. I could see that. I remember that.

So we did do that at the jail. I'd aspire, actually. I should probably not throw, maybe they don't want to hear that story. So with being, having your background in astronomy, do you ever, do you catch yourself,

like, watching any movie about space and astronomy and like, is contact your favorite movie or anything like that? I do like contact. I do, that you write about that.

It's one of my favorite movies. I do, I mean, I watch, I mean, Star Wars and Star Trek, but I'm not a tricky, and I'm not a big Star Wars fan

but I like it. The opening scene of Armageddon. Is it Armaged? Yeah, it's Armageddon where he has that huge, you know, looking into space, microscope, not telescope. And he's like the one, like there's only two in the whole world that have it or whatever.

I figured that you out there. So I don't, I don't remember that. I did see that movie, but I don't remember that. Yeah, I think that's. So, but to be honest, if I can be honest, there's two kinds of astronomers. There's astronomers that are, I guess, closer to astrologists, to be honest, that are, they can draw all the constellations and everything. And they go, they were the ones out there with the telescope and like moving it right to what everything need to be.

But I was not that kind. I mean, I was more into astrophysics, which is really, what I wanted to know was how stars worked from the inside. So, and that was really cool, in my opinion. So like, you know, here's, here is, just to nerd out a little bit, here is like this sun. Like, you can imagine people at the turn of the last century. Here's the sun. How do we explain that that has been, what is powering it? What is potentially powering it?

And then on the one hand, they did a calculation. Okay, maybe it is contracting. And as it contracts, it gets hotter and it illuminates, right? So it did that calculation. And they said the sun would last like a few million years. if that was a source of power. But at the same time, here comes the geologists saying, nope, the Earth is billions of years old. So here we go, two sciences doing two different things at the same time.

One is saying the sun is millions of years and the Earth is billions of years and you cannot be older than your mother. So it's fair. So what gives, right? But eventually, you know, the stars, you know, the sun is, stars are powered by nuclear reactions. And that whole, you know, learning that from first principles was really cool. college. So that's what I got a big kick out of it. Awesome. You cannot be older than your mother.

That's incredible. That's a good line. Okay, so surfing the sun, is that on the table? I'm sorry? Surfing on the sun. Is that on the table anytime? So the sun is too hot for that. They don't make a wax for that? No. That would be some hot sex if it did.

All right, sex wax. You heard us. on the sunsurfing. What I learned from that was basically I had astrology and astronomy mixed up in my head there because I butchered that one for sure. No problem. We talked about a lot of goodies. I think for a second it's worth noting

I'm not 100% sure Jose was sure what he was getting into with my silliness there. Obviously, I did not think you were going to surf on this sun. No, no problem. But you definitely thought he had an old. But the Silver Surfer did probably. I was going to say Silver Surfer. Silver Surfer can serve on anything.

That's right. That movie sucked. Sorry. Well, there's been like three. No, the new one. We're going to go with the new one because it's in the MCU. That sucked. I didn't watch that one.

I stopped watching the MCU, I don't know, after the Second Avengers or something. I really, so like, okay, the new Fantastic Four is the best Fantastic Four that's ever been made, but that doesn't say a lot because they've all been awful. Yeah. Right? And this was one of the first ones where I think I watched it and said, I want to finish this movie. And it's been a long time since I finished a Fantastic Four movie on purpose.

So I will give them that. And then now it's just going to lead into a bunch of garbage. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. I haven't got any backing to it. So. It's worth watching maybe loads. and the Deadpool movies.

I want to watch Logan, that's for sure. Thanks for reminding me. I have to write that down. Logan, an incredible movie. Incredible movie, great storytelling about, you know, growing old as a man, all that kind of stuff. Like, there's a lot of levels to that movie that aren't a comic book movie. But it, yeah, hell yeah.

I might even watch that before I go to bed. Jose, will you go ahead and elaborate and explain to everyone? How does one correctly tie their shoes? Oh, so that's correct. So you, there's, you know, I just, you know, a lot of people, by the way, my son played hockey. So, which takes me back to all Swelverna, by the way, because I, sorry, I go, I go, I go way, I go, I go way, I go, I go way, I go, I go way, I go, I go, I go, I go way. Yeah, that's fine. I would say, I would say, when I was.

they took me to more hockey games when I was there and those rings were cold and I was like there's no way I'm ever want to see another one of these youth hockey games why does my son play so yeah it's a trick that we learned to tie to hockey sticks hockey skates

you instead of like doing like one and then like this you you can do more than one you do one two three and then it stays it doesn't move and the same thing with the bunny rabbits, there's no reason to do like one loop around. You can do two loops around and they go like this. And then they never come off.

All day, it's all day satisfaction. You're not like, oh my God, I got a time of shoes. My God, I got time I choose. Like four times a day. Why do that? I time I'm a fucking day. I might have to try that. No, no, no, no.

So, yeah, next time we're a person, I would have to sort of, like, gather around kids. Well, that brings up, we briefly touched home, JimCon. How was your experience? Because that was your first time meeting any crew at all, right? Right, yeah. So I was pretty...

I remember you're telling me how nervous you were the whole time. I walked into the thing, not knowing anybody. And I actually, I think I texted on the Discord, like, hey, I'm walking into the thing. Like, where are people? And then somebody said, oh, I think Tanner's there. And then I look over, but he's like filming with like big mini, right? which I met, it was super nice too. Good, dude.

And then, but I'm like, I'm not going to like, at that point, at that point, Tanner to me was kind of a celebrity still. Like, now I could probably walk up to him and say hi. But like, I'm like, okay, here I am. Just some stupid idiot. So, you know, you know, giggling over. And then at some point, I know I met you, Keith. Oh, yeah.

And then I think, you know, because of my shirt, I had my home gym con shirt. And then that's when people started started sort of approaching, me, actually, to be honest. And then telling me, like, hey, we're meeting over here. We're meeting over here. I think that first night that I was there, we had sort of like hamburgers. Yeah, with the burgers, right.

Yeah. Hopefully you don't have to wait in line for an hour. Hopefully, we were the first guys through because the guys behind us. Oh, yeah. You guys waited an hour. We were done eating by the time you fuckers got sat down. Because I think someone, well, because someone is having a medical emergency. Or if you remember, like, one of the cooks got like carted out on a gurney. And then, and then they run out. They also had run out on like milkshake

too. My milkshake was really good. It brought all the voice to the earth. Yes. So I don't know

it was a really it was a really good experience. Like I really felt that it was at an event for crew. Again, I haven't seen,

I haven't gone to the other events yet. So because it was not I mean the conference was big, but the crew that was there

was not that big. Like we had, what, 20, 30 people? Yeah, I mean, that was 30 people with like a non-Massonomics thing that like we didn't, you know, Tanner like last minute kind of showed up with something, you know, not last minute, but like there wasn't a super destination for massonomics. It was just that many people wanted to do home gym shit. Right. But this year should be like. Yeah, I think this year is going to be bigger.

And there'll be 100 people there from Masonomics this year, I bet. Yeah. So, yeah, no, it was, it was a, it was a big. And then again, I met everybody. We had the sort of like a deadlift challenge at the end or whatever. So I jumped in a couple times. So that was pretty cool. No, I only have positive things to say both about, first of all, of course, about my

onomics, but also about crew, you guys and everybody that I met. And actually now we have crew England. So we have this crew England thing going. So that's also pretty cool that we are getting together. How were you not close or, well, you were probably supposed to go and, meet up with it, but you went surfing instead, didn't you? Or were you in that picture? I can't remember. No, I was there in that picture. You were, okay, okay. There I am.

stealing credit like you weren't even there. Just telling you were out there making that only surf content. Yeah. Only fans. Yeah, actually, yeah, wait a way, I'm going to say,

technically, when you're sharing, when you're oversharing, I go commando and the inside of the Wednesday, by the way, because, you know, well, I mean, that's the thing. If you're wearing anything else, if you get a wedgy inside of the wetsuit, that is staying in there for the rest of the session.

Yeah, that sounds horrible. Yeah, you're just suffering for a while. Yeah, yeah. Dude, you guys are telling me, making me tell everything. Yeah, and the wetsuit is kind of a jock itself.

It's not like you'd wear a jockeet or anything or, like, compression shorts or something. Right, no, no, no, yeah. So the trick to getting into a wetsuit is to put, like, your foot inside of some sort of plastic bag or something, and then it goes really quick, and then you take the plastic bag out on the other side. It's like, it's like really big knee sleeves.

Yeah, or... Or the purple massonomics coozy. Yeah. Jesus, that thing is so tight. So anyway. So, yeah, so we, about the crew meetup. So, yeah, so we met over there. Actually, I'm also, he's going to have to forgive me.

I'm the worst with names, and I'm drawing a blank on his name right now. But he lives actually very close to me, actually. He lives in not even a few, like 10 miles away from me, not even. Matt is at home gymcon? No, he hasn't been at home gym con. Oh, okay, you're just talking about, okay. Yeah, cool. Matt.

Matt lives in Boston. He doesn't. Where the fuck does Matt live? D.C. Metro, I think, or outside of D.C. Oh, geez, he's like the other side of the country. He's, well, no. It's just like a few hours south, but, uh, no, Matt's from Boston, but he doesn't, like, his family's in Boston.

Oh. He is in Boston on the holiday. and, like, post stories from Boston, but, like, oh, okay. It's not, he lives in, like, Maryland. Right. Anyway, so I, I apologize to all my crew, England friends. I'm the worst with names.

I, I, I, I, I, but I, I, I, I butchered it last week, and it was the, the, I still can't, I literally even talk to him today, but, like, his, the, his name keeps evaded me, so you're not the only one, uh, but that's all good, man. But everybody was very nice. We met, and, uh, we lifted downstairs in his garage, and it's based in gym.

And then, uh, he asked this amazing sort of like comic book collection book and everything where you play in, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was, I was hoping that would be in the, in his, his YouTube video for even if it was just like, like a 30 second clip or something, but they, they cut all that out or didn't film any of it. So I think it made it in some of their stories and shit, uh, during when they were actually there. Do we know who it is yet? I know who it is. I just, it's horrible. He's literally going to be a guest in like a month. And I was even talking to him in Discord about deadlifts today. So let's, let's see. Let's see. How do you get strong? Oh, so big friendly neighborhood squader, or a big big lifter. I just can't think of his actual... But I can... Kurt? No, Chris, no. This is the worst.

Steve? Joe? Are you a new pod? Yeah, I'm in the same thing you are. I'm also trying to look at... It's Chris. It's Chris. Yeah, yeah. Chris, Chris, yeah.

Chris, Chris. Big Chris. But, like, that's also a big Chris's fault for having all his handles not be his name. So it's your fault. We don't know your name, Big Chris. Chris, I apologize to I owe you. I don't know something. Chris underscore M-A-T-E-O-D-O.

How much does a thing of whack, like, because I was going to make a joke about give them a thing of sex wax, but we're kind of beating the sex wax. Like how much does like a tin of surf wax cost and last? It, well, I think it costs like five bucks maybe. Okay. So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

It's literally as cheap as cheap as chalk basically. It's literally on par with chalk. Yeah, and then it lasts for, you know, forever. So I don't know why they last a few months. So it'll last as long as the chalk on Tommy's floor too. Right. So. All right.

You ready for some games? Anything else where we've actually, we should end additional info because I didn't edit that. But that's all, it's all good. We covered all that when we talked about coming to America. So Big Jose, are you familiar with FMK? Fuck Mary Kill. Yes. All right. So anyone that's their first time this week.

FMK, very generic run-of-the-mill game. Everyone should know how to play it. So he's got a F-1, Mary 1, kill 1. So Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, FMK, Jordan, Magic, Bird. Well, I'm definitely going to kill Magic. Just because, you know, I don't like the Lakers. I'm definitely, I guess I'm marrying Larry because, you know, it's not about it. I'm a Celtic fan.

So, and I guess you have to F. Michael, Michael, yeah, is the best ever, right? But, yeah, that's for sure. That was an easy one. I am a big NBA fan, too, by the way. No, and I saw that, and I was trying to, like, one of the submissions was, like, 90s basketball, but I'm just like, does he want to, I tried, like,

Googling, like, the best, you know, there wasn't enough NBA, players on the Celtics to necessarily make it hard, I don't think. So I was like, well, maybe if he's just a basketball fan, maybe this will make it harder, but still good. Patrick Ewin would have been a hard though. Because I almost had a Celtic fan.

I was a Patrick Ewing fan. All right, so then Jordan Ewing bird. So, yeah. Lightning round. So, yeah, I guess in that case, Jordan has to follow the wayside of the wayside and I'll have to kill Jordan. She is, I'm still Mary Larry.

I mean, still marry, Larry. But, yeah, but effing, Patrick. Patrick, oh, my God, it's a talk about somebody. Like his, like, his aggression on the court and his dominance? I like them. I like those. I mean, again, I don't like the Knicks, but I guess those, his teams I did like. I liked, you know, you know, you know,

which I'm also forgetting some of the things. John Stark was in those teams. Yeah. I liked him a lot. Anyway, so, yeah. Spriewell was then there at the very end, I think, like him being good. Anyway, and I hate it. Yeah, actually, I know the reason to kill Michael Jordan

because he would say, you know, the Nix never got over the hump over Jordan, right? So that was, uh, all right. Well, you did good there, my friend. What do you got for him, Joy? Uh, let's go Mount Rushmore. Jeez. Uh, music from the 80s and 90s.

So Mount Rushmore. So, uh, so bands or, uh, let's go songs. Let's just go songs. songs oh she's that's going to be that's going to be a little harder because i don't remember song names um just sing them for me and i'll see if i know this so um definitely spirit of radio by rush um what's the one by ac c dc uh you know i can't was that a single i'm gonna have to look up can i can i can i look up and not think they can't

got your jrothers. Of course you can. So. I bet you're thinking Thunderstruck. Thunderstruck. That's right. Yeah.

So anyway. But and then, but also I want to, I'm going to go with Deflippard. Really? Yeah. Pour some sugar.

Pour some sugar and me, probably. But also a photograph. That's the one, photograph. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So that, I love that song.

So then, yeah. So, anyway. For sure. Okay, there you go. Two deaf leopards. I could actually go with a lot of rush, by the way. I like Rush a lot. Oh, I've heard.

Okay. That was quick. Let's do Mount Rushmore. Mount Rush songs. All right. So definitely Y, Y, YZ. Of course. YZ, I guess, technically.

Yes, technically. Good call. Spirit of the radio. But, like, you know, there's there's just so many, like, you know, three will is great. 2112, the whole first side of the album,

you know, you know, that, you know, you can't go, you know, that's probably one of the best, actually, to be honest. And then, it's that three or four, I think that was already. It was, but I, I'm locked in. I mean, I know a lot of people say Tom Sawyer, and that's, of course, you know,

But, you know, I can't, to be honest, I like my favorite one is Spirit Radio. So what is it about Rush? Now, I got to say, it's probably because you're a nerd. In a good way. Sorry, that was a good way. I'm a nerd on a male. Yeah. I mean, there's just...

Rush to conclusions. Three people, three people on that band making all that sound. And again, I don't know. I don't play an instrument. That's actually technically one of my regrets in life is not playing an instrument. be honest. But I just... They change time signatures.

I think that the song, the music is very complex, but also very catchy. And I also like their lyrics. You know, by the way, their drummer, who, you know, rest in peace, he wrote all the lyrics. Yeah, Neil Pert. So. So saying that, are you a tool fan? I like Tool I don't

I don't know all the songs But I do like Tool I wouldn't consider myself Saying I'm not a fan It's not correct I actually like Tool But I am not into Tool You know what I mean?

No, totally What about Primus? Same deal I don't I don't know I don't know much about Primus But I'm sure I've heard the songs

And I'm sure they're good Yeah I would challenge you then if you like Rush, give Primus a chance. All right, so let me, I need to write all this stuff down. You guys are giving me a lot of ideas.

So you listen to the episode next week. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. I would say that the place to start with Primus, there's an album called They Can't All Be Zingers. Okay. And it's a greatest hits album.

Spans almost their entire thing up to their last three. and that is everything you described about Rush, but in a more artistic form. Okay. Right? So like Rush are nerds doing what you said. Time signature changes, three guys making sounds you don't think people should make.

Okay. And then imagine they're art students. All right. And they're even weirder. So I would say, give it a chance, DM me. if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. All right. All right.

I think it'll test. Essentially, yeah. But we'll see. All right. You passed that Rushmore. Did. All right. I guess my affiliates to hit you guys with Barbrae rescue home gym con,

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So I am familiar, but I need to be any to think about it because I am slightly dyslexic. That's okay. I don't want to make it harder for you. So unpaid or underrated for anyone not familiar. So it's a game, we came up with all by ourselves. It's a very fun, simple game. We're going to give Jose six to eight handpicked topic specifically for him, and he has to use his druthers and decide if they're underrated, which means they're pretty good.

So underrated is good. and then unpaid is overrated essentially because no one wants to be unpaid. So I'm going to hit you off here. Unpaid or underrated little rubber ducks on the jeeps. I really think they're unpaid. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I have a Jeep.

I love my Jeep. I actually take it. It's lifted. I mudded it. I take it off road. I love that. I love taking my Jeep off road. But first of all, I think it's on paper because for whatever reason, people must not like my Jeep because I don't get a lot of rubber ducks.

Gotcha. Well, set the story for people because I'm only vaguely familiar with it, but like explain what we're talking about. So somehow people leave rubber ducks on top of your Jeep, and then you put them in front of your, you know, your windshield or whatever, and then you show them. Like, you know, and then, you know, if you see a Jeep, you're supposed to take a rubber duck from your car

and put it over there, and that's basically a part of the Jeep culture. And you see them. You see that. Most Jeep driving around have, like a ton of rubber ducks. I do have some, I'm not going to deny it.

I take them out when I go off road so that when they go all over the place. I don't know exactly. There must be some sort of attachment to your Jeep, I don't want to glue them down. I mean, you could, do a vel, you could do an adhesive

velcro and then like put But then you put your, you're still gluing something to your dash. Just sticky tack. Sticky tack would work. Yeah, anyways, but yeah, I think it's cool, but I don't think it's that. I think it's all that. By the way, it's speaking of Jeeps,

I got a parenthetical, what I do hate about is when you, when you're driving around another Jeep drives by you, you're supposed to wave to each other. And I hate people that don't wave back. I mean, what the hell is wrong with you, dude? Like, you know, just get at Fort Bronco and be done with it.

I love it. Now, there was a story while we're on the Jeep topic was something about, I can't find it now, but something about the certain bandanas you put on your dash around the mirror so you don't get broken into or something? Is there a story there? Are I missing something? Yeah, I don't know. Actually, to be honest, I don't know that one.

My Jeep is unlocked all the time, so if you can please come by, you can come by here and drive it off, except that you need to know how to drive stick. So I guess that's why people don't drive off with it. I do miss driving stick. I wouldn't want to do it every day. I wouldn't want to do my daily anymore, but like I haven't driven one probably in shit.

I don't know, several years, but I grew up learning on one, so I'm sure I didn't forget. All right. I just can't wait to tell somebody to say, get a Bronco figured out. That was really good. That's going to be such a next-level insult.

to my truck driver friends. Like, when's the last time you went off-roading? Oh, my truck's too expensive. Get a Bronco, figure it out. Like, I can't wait. That's good. Thank you, Jose. All right.

So do a little more music talk here. Unpaid or underrated. The song, Panama. Oh, my Van Halen. So, geez, that one, that was hard. That was hard. I'm going to say underrated. I think that's nice.

I think, I, so again, it depends on how we want to think about it, because, you know, is it properly rated? So, you know what I mean? Like, is it already. But, so I think it's, I think it's underrated. It's a good song. It's definitely a good song from the 80s, so people don't, I don't think people know what it too much. Classic Van Halen. To this day, I don't know if they were actually talking about Panama, my country, or if they just found the word sort of cool and made us.

around it. Same. Like, I haven't, I haven't listened to the song in probably 20 years, but now I'm thinking about it. But it's definitely, it's definitely a good song. It's definitely a good song. So, yeah. All right. Unpaid or underrated, being hauled off by fraternity brothers. Oh, God. So, fraternity pledges. Yes, that is, that's a good story there. Yeah, let's hear it. So, well, they get the rating. The rating, they are definitely, definitely underrated because I got a with it. So you got to understand, right? I mentioned, I'm an off-the-boat immigrant, just writing, you know, learning, you know, I don't know where anything is in college. Like, you could have dropped, they could have dropped me off three blocks down the road and,

and that would have been, like, lost for, like, days. So, but the pledges got a little, getting me was too easy. They had talked to my, to my roommate. before I knew it, I was like taped up and everything and in the back of a car. But they said, oh, this is easy. Let's go get another brother. But according to the rules and without getting into the thing, they left me inside of the car with a car running and another one other flesh brothers. And they all, they got delayed for whatever reason. And I told this dude, the trick was my hands were tied, but they were in front of me.

So I told this other guy, his name was tuck. I was like, hey, why don't you go find out what's taking them? long. So he gets out of the car and I tell, hey, it's getting cold. Close the door. He closes the door. I go, took, took. Lock the two doors. Take my time unlocking myself or whatever. And I just take off with a car. In one of their cars. And I kept it for a week too, by the way. That's amazing. And then the story goes that this dude goes up to get their other brothers. They're like, how's they get away? And then they're thinking, I'm running through the woods, like jumping through the ones like this.

Just casually driving their car home. Halfway down the stairs, they told me like, hey, oh, by the way, he got, he took the car. By the way, my university had two campuses. So there was like a significant distance within this other campus and this campus. So they had to walk back that night. That was awesome. Good. That was really funny.

Good for them. Serve them right. That's right. All right. What you got for him? unpaid or underrated let's go rainy days so I actually

I think that they are definitely underrated I like the rain I like rainy days I grew up in Panama again jungle country it rains every day I

they don't get me down I just really like the rain and I don't what to say a lot of good thing without getting sentimental or whatever I just I just kind of I like it They're very relaxing.

You don't feel... And one thing that I like about it is that you don't feel obligated to, like, go outside and do something. I'm like, no, I can stay home and I can watch TV and just, like, put on a movie or read a book or something, and then don't feel bad about it. That's right off the bat. So, there you go. Yeah, I agree. When I lived in the city specifically, it was like, you know, the rain would clear the city and wash it clean. because everybody would shut down when it rained that hard.

And it was nice to see, you know, the city look like that and feel like that. Unpaid or underrated black coffee. So again, I am not a black, that's right. I'm not a coffee connoisseur like the last week's guest. Of course. I do have an espresso machine. There's Nate. Is Nate back?

but um but yeah i know i think a black coffee is definitely otherrated everybody like you should it's already it already tastes good like black they see you need to put sugar and all this other things in it for it to taste good so uh i like i um cost gonna make a coffee is either going to be black coffee uh americ um an americano or like an espresso and that's it so um and by the way like i mentioned joey you mentioned that you let you set up the coffee in the morning and you only have to press the button, you know, until you sent the coffee and now you only press the button in the morning. Yeah. But you have to get a coffee with like a timer, man.

That way it's ready when you wake up. Yes, yes. But that would mean, that would mean collaboration through my entire family. So, because God knows, it's impossible to make a cup of coffee without actually having a cup of coffee first. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. But like I said, it's between my dad, my wife, and my wife.

myself. My wife makes it at night so that it's ready when I get up in the morning to set the timer, set the clock. I also live in the country. So our hydro, which we call electricity up here, you know, you've been here. And like, it's, you can't trust it. So it is one of those things where I am going now by the path of least resistance. I wake up in the morning. I hit on. I wait for it to half go. I do a splash of milk, just enough to change the color to a absorb the acidity. But otherwise, I would probably drink it black as well. So the hack, by the way, is that you can go to the Home Depot or whatever.

I don't know what you guys have, but like get one of those timers that you plug into the wall and just go like when the Christmas tree, you like, you know, to time when you turn your Christmas tree turns on and then you can plug the coffee into that too. So you don't even have to buy it. Yes. The coffee maker we do have has a timer. Oh, okay, okay. But like I said, I have to fight everybody to do that.

And I just said, this is not worth the fight. Believe me, I have explored that. Not worth the fight or the argument. And then like, if you lose power, then the clock on the timer goes out and you don't have coffee in the morning. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have two more. I don't know who added this one.

I thought it would be worth mentioning unpaid or underrated attractive women. Oh, I don't know who added that one. But of course, you know, first of all, I want to come out and say, like, all women are underrated. They're all great and they're all attractive in their own way. So, yeah, I'll just do better at that. I mean, I... That's probably a smart thing to do. That was a good answer.

We saw that in there and normally we're like, we're not asking that. But I was like, I want to see where that goes. Unpaid or underrated, LLMS, large language, large language. large language model whatever the S stands for. Yeah, I think oh God, let's see, unpaid or on their

I think they, at this point they are unpaid. I think they are rated so high already that I don't think, you know, I think that we have to bring it down a little bit because it's not magic.

They are amazing. It's an amazing technology. But it's not a real person. It doesn't actually think. So it just gives you it only is literally computing the probability of the next word and what's the probability of the next word

every single time. So giving some context. So I'm going to say on pay for that one. I agree. And it's like I see people now and they're just like, oh, AI is going to answer everything. Buddy, I was around for Ask Jeeves.

And I will tell you right now you thought the same thing back then. right like so it's useful like it's a power tool but you can't use it for everything yes i agree i think you passed unpaid and underrated i especially liked the cop out there where uh yeah i still want to find out who put that one in there i don't know so i got a bonus one for you if you don't if you haven't seen the movie then we'll just attractive men yeah yeah unpaid or underrated the movie point break so I did see the movie I didn't see the remake

you know I think is definitely unpaid there's a remake yeah yeah and it's it I mean it's it's bad it's like a 2000

I mean I still I think I gave it a six it maybe I may even get a seven but just because I give six seven yeah so I'm talking about like the 1992 version

so has they seen it yeah I think I think it's I think it's I think it's a great movie I think I like, first of all, I like Keanu Reeves, right off the bat.

So, um, uh, he was like agent, I forget his name, agent something, uh, no,

and we, and we Patrick, Tracy was in it too. Johnny Utah. Johnny Utah. Yeah, yeah. So,

um, I would watch that movie again. I think it's great. And then I got a quick, uh, coffee making story. That was like a chore that I had from like, like six years old until I was 18,

I think. I think when I finally turned 18, I was like, can I stop fucking making your coffee for you? dad. Like this is like I'm literally like an adult and you know, I was like, I think it was back and forth. I think I had to wait until I'd actually graduate at high school because I still lived at home for a couple years after that. But I was like, I'm not going to be like 19 making my dad's coffee anymore. I think my mom finally took it over. But unless this is kind of just

how I felt like a hard ass my dad is and like how like he likes to teach people lessons, which is fair now looking back. Like if you didn't ever, I don't know, it was it was a shitty coffee pot and something about it. Like if you didn't like really slam the, the groundholder or whatever like back into place. Like, it was slightly ajar. So then when it did engage at like four in the morning, it would just fucking spill everywhere. So, like, I have at least like five or six different memories of him waking me up at like 4.30 in the morning.

Yeah, you have a mess upstairs to go clean up. You know, so that was just the coffee pot full circle. So can I give a little advice about chores to any young crew members, by the way? Yeah. So, and I think I heard this from a comedian. so it's not even, but I'll say it anyway, because I think it's good advice. So when you first start living, either just first get married or start living with your girlfriend, for that first week, I would advise you to not do anything.

Really just sit down and, because if you take the garbage out that week, for the rest of your life, you will take the garbage out. So, I mean, I would advise, you know, that's just my own little advice about life. Unfortunately, I did not hear it when I heard that. piece of advice. It was too late for me. I mow, I do the dishes, and I take the garbage out, and she does everything else, including paying the bills and balancing the checkbook and everything else, literally. That's about, we do our own laundry. We do separate loads of laundries because we have so much

laundry in general. She doesn't want to mix her work stuff with my gym stuff, etc. So, but that is an interesting tidbit. Did you have anything for us, Jose? So, yeah, I have, again, I did a, a little bit of an internet research, but I'm not very good at it. So, despite the fact that I'm ironically, I am a programmer. Didn't you just make a program to like stop Joey 9? That's kind of good to know, to be honest with you. So, but one thing that you did say is that, you know, I don't know if you want to talk

about kilo lifting or key, you know, but I do have something for Joey. So, and maybe for the, for both of you guys. So what's the plate, quote unquote, the plate of kilo lifting? Because, you know, in pounds, there's a 45 pound plate. But in kilos, it's at the blues, which is 20 kilos, or the reds, which is 25 kilos. So I think... For me, it's 100%. Yeah.

By the head. I listen to you guys. Oh, for me, it's 100% of red. Like, just, but that's more of the power lifting. I don't know what, I don't know if being a weight, maybe weightlifting doesn't care. But in power lifting, like, you don't load. Like, you don't load, like, loading trees in a power of meat has fucking one blue and then, like, eight reds. So you're never putting, like, very few people own more than one pair of 20 KG.

If you're going to be a KG lifter, you don't own multiple pairs of 20 KGs. It's just the 25, so the 55 pound plate is a red, is a plate in kilograms to me. So, yeah, so yeah, so there's that thing because at 25 kilo plate is 55 pounds, exactly. So that's the one thing. That's the one that's exact. so cool and then uh i guess um i guess for joey i mean i didn't notice and hopefully i got the right joey by the way but i you you maybe not a question but i was impressed with your work with gender equity now um did you write an essay or something and and then also did you think about that or

is that not did i get the wrong person no no that that definitely was me it's not a thing that comes up here very often. I was super impressed with that, by the way. I get not a question, but I really, that was amazing. Thank you. I'm always going to thank you. No, thank you. Please, nobody else looked this up.

But yes, definitely I have been published. I have several essays, all in the work of being a better man to support the women in my life, specifically my wife and my daughter. Before that, it was just about. you know, looking back at who I was and who I could have been if I had done that sooner. But yeah, I definitely, yes, there is a lot of stuff in my life about gender equity specifically. I've been published by the CBC. Like, that's the national funded thing.

Like, I had a byline and was paid and everything for that article. Okay. So, yeah. Thank you. Thank you for finding that. but nobody looked that up. Was that the article about if attractive women are unpaid or underrated? Yeah.

I mean, Keith, I'll tell you there's one thing. There's one thing about me. Nothing is an accident, right? That is one of those things, that nothing is an accident. I saw it in there. I thought I'd ask. And it was one of those chances to let Jose see how he answers it. And he did fucking great, didn't he?

No, he did. nailed it. He was just like, he gave the old dirty bastard. Yeah, all pretty to me, baby. Like, he nailed it, right? Beauty's in the eye of the beholder. Yeah. So, uh, here's the little FMK for, uh, Keith.

Okay. Josh Allen, Jim Kelly, or Thurmond Thomas. Who are any of those people? Uh, Buffalo Bill's fan. So I am a Cleveland Brown. I'm a Cleveland Browns fan. Oh, man. You are Cleveland Brown fan. Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, geez. Do you know any Browns on the top of your head?

If not, oh, I mean, I can answer, I guess, is it too, is it, I don't know, probably, I really care about Jim Kelly. So I think I'm going to kill Jim Kelly, which is sad because, like, cancer will one of these days, which is sad. But, Josh Allen, I guess I'll marry. And then Thurman Thomas, yeah, he's a hell of a running back. So, yeah, I had you wrong. I thought you were a Bills fan. Sorry. Oh, no.

I mean, so I'm like I could, I mean, we also probably because we went into the Bills game. So, so my wife is a Bills fan. Now I have. And yes. And then Big Jinn's husband is a Bills fan. So when they were out here, we all ended up going to a Bills game. And then Matt and Jess says in a live in Buffalo. So they are Bills fans.

So I was at a Bills game like a few months ago, but I could give a shit less about the Bills other than just like supporting them a little bit through my wife. But usually it's me antagonizing her a little bit and she gets all mad. I guess I was going to say She doesn't like the Patriots So I go into the... Oh, she fucking hates She hates the Patriots so much

Everybody hates the Patriots. She like with a passion hates the Patriots I mean, I can understand Our long national nightmare is over I mean, there are second graders here in Boston That haven't seen the Patriots in an AFC title game So There's people

There's people in Toronto retiring That have never seen the Leafs win a game so so I was going to hit Joey with a little FMK but although we talked a lot of our music but let me see FMK Brian Adams Rush or Nickelback so that's probably a leasy one

oh geez can I kill them all All Canadians right They are all Canadians yes Oh my gosh I'm going to marry Nickelback because I think they are eclectic

enough that they have different versions of songs I want to hear at any time. They've got some really heavy metal. They've did a song with Dimebag Darrell. I got to give something to Nickelback. Well, F Rush, because if Rush comes on the radio, I'm going to enjoy it, but I don't go out of my way to listen to Rush. All right. And Brian Adams can go all the way to hell.

he uh... geez what song does he have that's even good right was the uh the collab they did with like with mel C he's got one with the spice girl no the the one that was for the the fucking

the musketeer movie from the 90s wasn't he like didn't he wasn't it wasn't it a close collab with a bunch of other guys no I love that you said that it was actually the Robin Hood movie and uh it was a collab with a bunch of Americans, and then he fought because he couldn't win a Canadian award

for it, because he was the only Canadian on it. But it, and no, he did a collab with one of the Spice Girls, which I think is the only thing in my head right now, thinking about him. The song you're thinking of is, um, I can't think, yeah. It's a good

like, I liked it as a kid, but it's just because I'd like that movie. I know. I'm trying to imagine it, and all I can think of is meatloaks, I would do anything for love. That was Michael. I was thinking on the, I was also thinking it was the Michael Bolton song for The Musketeer. Right? And that's how memorable Brian Adams is going to be for the rest of our generations.

It's just like not Michael Bolton. Yeah, not Michael Bolton and not meatloaf. Way to go. Brian Adams. So, yeah, there's my answer. And then one last one for Joey. I only have one. Has you seen it.

Have you seen it? Youngblood, the hockey movie. I love that fucking. No. Great movie. Rob Lowe, Patrick Swayze. Such a great movie. What's the call?

Like hockey up in Canada? Yeah, it was a minor. Yeah, it was a minor hockey. Junior, aesthetically. Junior aesthetically. No, I don't think I have. Count of Rees was the goalie, too.

Who had like one lot of it in the whole movie. So he's the only Canadian in the movie. So I'm not, possibly out of the main. I highly recommend that movie. That's another movie. Let's put it back. Hold on.

Let's put it. Actually, there is a remake of it. Let's put it back. Have you guys seen the Goon? Yes. But have you seen The Goon part two. Yes, of course I have. Filmed in My City.

Whole thing. I'm a big fan of that movie. Filmed in my city. I can follow the streets. Oh, I do have one more. Sorry, I wrote it down here for Joey. Unpaid or underrated, the path underground shopping area in Toronto. Now we hit that one.

We hit Will with that one. No, it's okay. We can also hit Cam with that one next week. unpaid. I love, I love the path. How big is it? Exorbitant, if that word makes any sense to you. It is, so I didn't know about it, right? I've been traveling to Toronto for years. And then one day somebody tells me about it. And I found out the company I worked for actually had stores in the path. So I went and sought them out because I was just like, okay, I got to go and find this. you can travel almost all of Toronto's downtown without ever seeing the sun.

And you will experience everything from prostitution to high-end jewelry and cigar shops without ever seeing the sun. It's wild what you will find in the path in Toronto. Cool. So, I mean, when I was in Canada, they took me to some, I think that Edmonton has a huge mall too. And they took me there and I thought it was amazing. So I did the one in Calgary. So in Calgary, you can do the same thing, but they have sky bridges instead of underground.

So you can travel through most of Calgary indoors. Right. It's the same way. You just walk up some stairs and then you do a skyway and then you're at the mall. Then you leave the mall and you do the skyway and you're at the hotel. And like, it just goes forever. But Toronto's underground. And it's insane.

But it is also great. All right. Cool. Well, I think you all pass too, so we can air the episode. Oh, hell yeah. Thank you. Can't beat that. Well, bring us in for landing boys.

Do it up. It's your turn. One more time, Big Jose. Where are we going to find yet? So, uh, uh, Instagram, Big Boston. Sorry, Instagram is, uh, Boston. Jose Luis, same thing in Twitter and on most platforms. And on the

Discord, I am Big Boston Jose. Nice. There are kids that don't know what Twitter is. It's been X for a few years. The hell is Twitter. Yeah, how long has that been since that's been Twitter? I deleted my account. It's been a while. It's been a while.

I think I still have one, but it's not like on my phone anymore. Joey, where you at? Joey underscore Mlesco. M-E-C-Z-K-O. Now, you sure that's how the, the the the the subtitles pick it up as i know i love watching that every time molla but whatever man all right uh we have an we have an instagram unpaid and underrated podcast go follow us over there and uh if i DM you asking you of your crew and you just leave me on red we're definitely not

following you back because like just answer please there's so many people that just see it see it and i'm like okay sir you must not be crew but then some of them get back to me like six months later's like yeah yeah i'm crew like okay cool good beans I just had good beans. Good beans, yep. Good beans. I might have not done that before. Website Unpaid internpodcast.com where Nate does his best to impersonate Jose and being a web developer.

And we have a YouTube somewhere. And I am Keith Honeyick at 73 on Instagram. More importantly, go follow my orange gym, the no wine cellar. Until then, see you next Tuesday. I think you guys are sort of like the, I don't know what the right word is, but like the captains of the crew basically or whatever. of the team and I without sounding too corny

I appreciate what you guys do so thank you number one but you also make it make it make it make it fun so which is also very nice so thank you for that we appreciate that

that's really awesome to hear hopefully Nate listens to the post show and actually includes that he won't yeah fuck him he's not going to like to do it I know right wrong again

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