Unpaid And Underrated - 144 : Crüminati (ft. Big Rory)

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Rory. They dive right into great topics like guitars, making music, metal, Taylor Swift, spiders, and affiliate codes. Links Ü&Ü Hoodie Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab Get Your Own Keith Head Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast Our Guest On Instagram @rormanstrength Online at rormanstrength.com Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar @joey_mleczko Special Guest: Big Rory.

And welcome back to episode 556 of the unpaid and underrated podcast, a podcast by crew for crew. I'm one of your host, Big Keith, joined as always by Big Joey. Hello there. And this week we got special, special, special. Special. He's so special guests. Mr. Big Rory Ellis, aka Roarman Strength.

Warman, what is the, that is the handle, I believe. It's a Wednesday. We're a little off. So if I'm not really, just, we've always got to have an excuse when you butcher something. So yeah, this is the unpaid and underrated podcast. Roy, are you drinking anything fancy over there? I sure am. My wife got me this beautiful new zero sugar mountain dew Baja Cabo citrus, tropical citrus punch.

Wow, that is so many words. It's so many words. That's the best part about it. And it's got a nice beautiful can. And I actually have a backup because I drink quite a few. So I got a backup on lock in the Massanomics coozy. Of course, all my drink spotter lights are in the, in the shop attached to Iraq.

As they should be. That's a good location for them. I have nothing special. Just a water loom. I'm going to go find something this weekend. I think I got like two cans left. So tune in next week to see what I'm drinking. Oh, and both of them are actually on, of course,

the drink spotter, or not drink spotter, but the coasters. Oh, yeah, yeah. Stoller. Table spotter. I don't even need it because it's in a kuzi, but we got them. So why not? Can't be too careful. right?

Drink anything good there, Joey? Hose water. Nice, yeah. Yeah, I spilled all my hose water, so I had to get a, you know. That's always good. I didn't have my hose in a, my hose was not safety in a drink spotter as well. So it's just pouring out. I posted the clip of them.

I shared it into my stories of them going off about hose drinking from the hose. And my one friend responds, yeah, then you turn it on and drink from it. There's an earwig in it. You get an earwig in your mouth. I was like, yeah, that's what it used to be a proper country. Proper country. That's right. Yeah, mine has carbonated water, but I actually distilled it.

And I got out all the water and then I put hose water into it and recarbonated it for this special occasion. Of course. Naturally. Naturally. I tagged one of my butt, like my mom, one of my non-Mastonomics friends in the post. And he was, I think his response was something to the extent of, well, yeah, Keith, this is America. And I was like, without even knowing he was like digging. was, you know, feeding into the

we used to be a proper country bit essentially. And our kids played outside before we paved it all. Yeah. I'm rocking the Massonomics logo shirt. I'm still a fan. I can't just glad that it's here.

Is that the OG shirt? Yeah. Okay, so I posted in the Discord that I wish my entire wardrobe was that shirt and you hit it with a question mark. Oh, yeah, I go. That's what I thought.

That's what I assumed you meant, but. Well, I just want to clarify. Everyone calls something else different because, like, half people wouldn't, if you say Weekend Warrior, like 80% of the current crew wouldn't know what that means. No, I said the OG logo shirt. It's just because it's so simple. OG logo, I would have been, like, immediately known, but you just said, just say an OG, like leaves a little bit of, but OG logo clearly is this.

Okay, yeah, yeah. I was 99% sure that's what you were like, are you sure, Joey, about that shirt? And I was like, yes, I love that. Oh, no, no, no. It was more of a, which shirt are you talking about? talking there's the when you have 700 shirts which one is it is it is a good logo I'm a sucker for a good logo so it's just that it's such a simple shirt

it's clean there's no questions no nobody comes up to you and is like what does that mean like it's it's an M with massonomics and it stands from Massonomics leave me alone yeah it's definitely is a very under understated shirt yeah for sure I'm I used to draw logos from metal bands in like high school and uh the band I played and I always drew the logo for. And that's back in the day, I had to like scan it in like an actual scanner.

And yeah, I didn't have any kind of digital art background by any means. But I'm always appreciative of a good logo. Like I can't stand like companies like rapper rogue, although they're good companies like they use a generic font. Yeah. Everyone else uses. Like you see the font on any other,

you know, laundry mat or whatever. It's like, get a little creative. Someone 20, 20 bucks to draw you a cool logo. And I would imagine Tommy did this. But I mean,

it's brilliant. It's great. Yeah, yeah. That was the origin story of, simple, you know, dumb massanics. Yeah.

The massonomics is for the, the, the, the, the, the, I think they should bring back the massonomics.

I like the, but I think, I think you have to say the, I think it's the massonomics. I wonder if that's, is that, is that regional? Because like,

I don't know that I've ever said the, well, because that makes it a singular, right? Like, the massonomics is, it's the massonomics is, it's the massonomics.

The Massenomics means there's no other Massenomics. Yeah, there's none. Yeah, it's an inflection type of thing. Yep. But speaking of logos, let's never forget that James Cameron used papyrus for Avatar. I am rocking the silly goose barbell shirt because it was on the bed when I walked in the room. Which color property of Mesenomics shirt are you wearing? They've got Rory.

They've got so many different colors. This is the new sand, I believe. This is the sand one. I have, I just got this in today along with my unpaid underrated shirt. However, the unpaid and underrated shirt was a large and it's not the comfort colors, like the looser fit. So it's pretty tight. It was a little uncomfortable. So I might have to cut the sleeves off and alter it a little bit.

It can lose the sleeves. Yeah. That's just, that's just good to hear those as far as that meeting. We can't even use the joke. There's three spots left because there is literally not. I think there's two. As up this morning on February 4th, Tanner said there was an extra small and a small, I think. Maybe an extra small and a medium, something to that extent.

So that was just wild because I think they bought 100 of those, I don't know, I guess a year and a half ago now, I think, right? Our shirts were they weren't this summer. They were last summer, if I recall. Now, they've had to be, yeah, so 18 months to sell 100 shirts, like not the best. Yeah, that's still pretty dang cool considering, like, how many listeners do we have? I don't know, to sell 100 shirts out, like I'm very stoked with that. The thing I think about T-shirts in merchandise in general, it's like, I don't make a lot of profit. I have shirts for the company and I don't make a lot of profit on them because I do like print to order.

So you have to basically, it's made by a company. It's shipped from that company. So my margins are very small. But to me, that's so cool that someone wants to wear my logo. That to me is so cool. Like it's almost cool buying the equipment because the equipment like you, you're going to use it. And, you know, you have an ulterior motive because you want to get jacked or whatever. whatever, whatever it might be. But the shirt, it's just like, hey, I like the logo. I appreciate it. And I want to, I want to represent that. It's like wearing a walking ever guys. I think that's really cool when people order shirts. I think 100, 100 units in about a year or so is really good. And I were stoked with it. And the first time I walked into the airport in Minneapolis. And all the crew were messaging and they're like, oh, we're here, we're here. And they all showed up in the unpaid and underrated shirt. And I was the only one not wearing it. That is pretty funny. Yeah. And then somebody was like, uh, you.

You know, what shirt do I wear when traveling? And the response they got was you wear the red you and you shirt when you're traveling to Aberdeen, right? Because that lets people know you're really crew. Really crew, yeah. We call it crewmanotti. Yeah, like you're like on the inside of the crew. Uh-huh. Yeah, that does mean a lot.

So, uh, test spots left. I think Katie's going to pick up that small and probably. Yeah, she was talking about that. Yeah. So I think she'd be, she'd be silly not to. Uh, but anyone listening, if, you know, it's still winter, you do still have a chance. It should be the link is in our bio. Our link is in our stories to pick up the hoodie, the sweatshirt of the crew neck hoodie.

It comes in a hoodie now. Yeah, yeah, it's first time ever. It was not available from day one in a hoodie. But we also do a direct consumer, but our buddies ended up doing it. So, like, we were essentially hands off. I was just like, here's the logo. If you want to make a shirt. And then, like, three people bought it because that's all we thought we were going to do it.

And then, like, I'm pretty sure to date in the last, like, two months. months we've sold like 40 40 hoodies. So, but then we even set that up to where it's like it's it's, I'm not going to try to like nickel and dime and get like three dollars from my buddies or whatever just for the sense of like I'd rather like you were saying. And in our instance, I'd rather have more people who have the shirt because when I saw a bunch of them in, uh, in South Dakota this, this winter. I was like, oh, okay, that's pretty cool.

That's worth not getting any profit to see like seven dudes wearing our shirt. Oh, for sure. Yeah. That was essentially that. And well, last week, we forgot to talk about big and nods, Jim. Joey, did you have a chance to watch that last week? And I think as soon as we got done recording, you told me, oh, damn it, we forgot to talk about that.

I actually watched it. Because I actually did. Yeah. It was a week ago, so I don't remember much. But I remember Voltras and Tanner trying the squat machine thing. That's really, yeah, that's about all I remember from that one. I did not get a chance to watch today's. No, it comes up tomorrow.

It's tomorrow's, yep. So we can't even give you a hard time. about that because it does the one negative about having to go a day early is we could have we would have had a chance to watch rory's episode the same day it came out uh and oh yeah recorded with him but we're just a little ahead of schedule so do you want well basically you were there rory so you want to give us a few minute uh spiel on meeting the boys and how you're how you think your video is going to turn out yeah for sure uh i'm always curious um i've actually been fortunate enough to be on uh i think i've had three home gym tours of every gym

So I actually have like a documented status of like each one of my my versions of the gym. So the first one was big car, big coach carp did the first one. And I think that was one of his best performing videos of last year. That's my first home gym. And then Coop of course from garage and reviews did the second gym when my slab was only here. And then of course, Massanomics guys just came and Tommy Tanner, you know, came by and super fun. They definitely have their structure down to a science. I think people, people think that it's going.

there and kind of wing it, but they had it game planned ahead of time and everything was really smooth and efficient and just good dudes. And then of course, I think they told the story on one of the podcasts. Like, they were leaving and I totally forgot that I wrote that song, the Weas for a fucking country. I actually genuinely forgot. I wrote like a week before. I just thought to be funny. And I was like, hey, guys, I got a song. I want to play you real quick. And I'm sure they are probably weirded out. What is this guy talking about? He's going to play us a song in his house. is weird. And sure enough,

Kip played it. And then they, like, we got to record this. So Tommy ran out, got the camera and recorded it. And that's the original video that you guys saw. But,

yeah, it was fun. It was a good walk through. They, they touch on things that a lot of people don't necessarily look for or look at it in gym because they're looking for, obviously, the little nuggets of other gyms don't have necessarily.

But I was pretty impressed by Tanner's bar recognition. He definitely got that down. He has known for that. he is a shanth connoisseur for sure he's he's a bar savant for sure he's he's had his hands on a lot of shafts I'm sure we call him I know we'll get more to it when we get the guest on the horn but how funny would it have been if you pulled them in and played wonderwall guys I just have a song I want to play for you real quick and then you just start playing wonderwall that would have been classic that would be that was a great role for sure

That'd be great. Well, everyone, give that a watch. I'll watch it probably, I'll probably end up saving it for Friday because I've still got to work tomorrow, but. Watch it four days ago after this releases. Yes,

correct. That one. Future times, a flat circle, et cetera. It's one day we'll figure out how time works. Quick little update. So I ended up,

did sign up for static monsters. I had a really good training session. So I ended up hitting like a 30 pound PR on my 18-inch deadlift at 485. and then it was like a two and a half pound log PR but it's been a, uh, so 205, but it's, I've been stuck at like two and, you know, two and a half, or like two hundred and two pounds for fucking like, like for freaking six months. So, uh, finally getting that, a weight that I've, I even missed it two or three times that day and then like took 10 minutes, came back and, you know, smoked it, which is, I love that. When it's like, why didn't it go up a half hour ago when I felt like,

like 20 minutes ago, I could have already been onto my accessories and I call that a redemption rep. Yeah, I was. very happy to get that. You weren't enough. So I got my show on the 21st. So I got maybe I'll probably do one more update and then probably a brief recap here in a few weeks and see how that goes. But it'll be my first strong man show at 26. And then I'm already like eye on a couple of others, but I'm like, oh, I really probably should just keep it to that one and then lift hard, but we'll see. Yeah, that's awesome. Did you see the big news about Brian Shaw, have bringing evolution

athletics to home gym car? Yeah, I'm excited. What do you think of that? We didn't talk about that last week, right? No. Okay. So what do you, what's anyone's thoughts on that? I'm, I'm super excited. I'm disappointed that I'm not going to be competing. So last year I competed in the, in the strongman throwdown and ran the booth. But this year, it was, it was wild. It was not a good idea. It definitely hindered my performance. I got third overall, which I haven't not podiumed in all the strongman events I've done. But it was disappointing. I should have, I should have done better. But that's neither here nor there. It was just a lot. like having to try to listen and they didn't have like megaphone. I was like my booth was the

the best position you could have been in for you were you were like 70 like 150 feet from it or something but like a direct shot. Yeah, it was direct shot. So I could see the whole thing. And even still I did four out of five events. I think there's five events like all four out of five of them were completely cold like as I did the deadlift ladder completely cold. Zero warmups on on everything because like I was with you know potential customers, people talking to the booth and just missed the opportunity. to warm up. So I will not be doing that. I do have a booth at home gym con that's right around the corner from Tanner and Tommy. I could probably throw a drink spotter at him from where we're at. So it's on the opposite side of the convention hall this time around. But I'm very excited to see

Branshaw. I've never met him in person, but I've seen him at the Nashville Fit Expo. And he's just a massive human being. And I'm not a very, I'm not a huge, tall person. So I really want to get just one of those comically, the comical pictures next to him, like where. Yeah. He's, have you seen the one? He's holding a St. Derek Lunsford, some 212 bodybuilder. He's holding up his arm.

And it's, the dude just looks like he's literally half of him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sean Clarita. That's it. Sean Clarita. There's a picture. If you type in Sean Clarita and Brian Shaw, yeah,

he's holding his hand. He's like, he's like holding a toddler's hand. Sean Clarita, he's like 5-2. And Brian Shaw's, of course, like 6, 9 or whatever he is. Yeah.

Yeah, that'd be cool. Evolution. I liked what you said in your last, uh, podcast, I believe. You mentioned the fact that the, the Cerbera stuff is just so gaudy.

I really, I don't like the three dog thing. It's just so cheesy. It is weird. And it would be as bad if it was like black on like, because I have a black on black shirt that I won and like a giveaway. And I was like, it's,

I'm okay with that. Like it's pretty mild, but the black and red is just so in your face. And it's like, yeah. It's what everyone buys. At least the black and white. I don't love his logo,

but it's a little more tame. Yeah, I agree. That's exactly my thoughts. When you said that I was like, someone else. gets it. Yeah, I agree. But yeah, that'll be cool.

Nice, yeah. Are you going to talk, producer? Are we in the podcast? We are live. We're in general. Oh, hi, hi, welcome. My name's Nathan Eckhart. I'm the podcast producer.

I just came here to tell you I'm in a minivan. I'm hauling a Texas deadlift bar I just picked up on. Yes, you did get it. I'm so glad you. On a Facebook marketplace deal of the week, I thought I could hang, hang with my boys. I just wanted to make sure you guys have that on your radar. that I was picking up some gym equipment.

So, all right, I'll let you guys get back to it. I didn't realize you already started. So, sorry for interrupting you guys. Serberus logos, you know the whole deal. Texas Power, Texas Deadlift Bar right there. All right. We'll see. Okay, bye.

All right. Thanks. Good talking to you. Thanks. Good talking to you. Good. Dude. Good, dude.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I do have one piece of news before you get into all the other stuff. This Saturday, Big Steve and Big Anastasia, a fellow crew from here in my city, are going to be joining Rebecca Innes at the IHFG stone lifting party on Saturday. So I'll give you an update next week. I missed it last time. Just due to some other stuff.

But yeah, we're going to go out there. I think I said it before. She's got the biggest collection of stones anywhere near me, Atlas Stones, Natural Stones. she's like the stone keeper. She's got a podcast called The Stone Table where she interviews natural stone lifters and things like that. And I'm pretty excited. She invited me, so I really want to go

out there and I'll be wrapping unpaid and underrated when I go, of course. So, yep, we're going to go out there and lift some rocks, which is like my second favorite thing in the world. Yeah, that's awesome. I went out to a country and western bar this weekend. I think it might have been the first time I've ever been to a quote-unquote

country and Western Bar, at least like at night and line dancing and everything. It was a unique experience. And being one of the few sober people in the group, too, I made it a little, like, I had like two beers over, like, three hours. So one of them are strongman buddies is, he's like the lead singer in a local band. And so he was going to be on, it was the,

and he's done, he's been doing concerts for the last couple years since I've known him, but all these concerts have been, you know, an hour away or more. And like, yeah, I, like, you're my boy, but, like, you're my hour away boy. So it's like, uh, no. When this one was 15 minutes down the road, I was like, I can do that. Like that's, and it's country and, like, I can do that.

Yeah, you couldn't afford not to. Yeah, I went out and had a couple beers, got a burger, and, you know, just watch and play country music. It was mostly a lot of coverage with some of his own stuff, too. It was really cool. But then our friend, Chris Mark, a friend of the podcast, he just couldn't, he was so enamored by, well, I remember my brother, he was confused by line dancing. At one point, we were out there on the stage towards the very end, and he got so

embarrassed. He kind of ran off. But it was, uh, so I, I did like about 90 seconds of line dancing, not knowing what I was, it was probably more like 30 seconds, but it felt like 90. It was just like, every time you keep looking at, you're like going the wrong way and it's like, oh, I don't know who where's, where's that person I was supposed to look at and follow? So line dancing is a very, it's a very strange art if you want to get. It's a very strange form of like you just all standing in a row and doing the same moves. And it's, and there's always the two or three people that like really like to show off how good they are, make you feel bad about yourself and you're, your lack of rhythm. Yeah. Now, I've, I've played quite a few honky tongs in my day, and it's,

it's a weird thing. It was interesting. Where did line dancing start? Like, I want to, I want to blame Billy Ray Cyrus. I want to blame Ake, breaky heart. Yeah. I'm sure it was, I'm sure it was, it had to have been like, I'm sure Tommy knows a history. Well, I mean, big history. Yeah. Didn't they line dance and, uh, urban cowboy? And that predates Billy Ray Cyrus by 20 years. Or at least 15 years. I could, I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you. I'm trying to remember. I'm still going to blame Billy Ray Cyrus, naked, breaky heart. I like it.

I think my dancing's been around for decades longer than Billy Ray Cyrus, but how dare you take this from me? Yeah, yeah. A blend of European folk dances, African rhythms, and American country Western culture from the 17th

century. There we get a little history lesson for years. Or 1992 with Billy Ray Cyrus, which potato, potato, potato. The potato. Tomato. I always thought it was tomato, tomato potato. Oh, well, that would be different.

That'd be like apples and oranges versus, you know, two similar. I like tomato potato. The future dropped their teasing. They definitely said it was something from the vault. So keep your eyes out on that. I don't know when that drops coming, but I think sometime in March or maybe even, I think they maybe said the February. Squat Silkes.

Bring me the squats to Silkes. I actually, you know what? because someone was asking about, oh, because it was, uh, Big Joe was asking about the, the, the, the squat shorts that are sweatpants, like 2.0s, I believe. And then Tanner said it basically wasn't that, but I don't know, I infer, or I caught that Tanner may have been inferring that it is a lower body garment. So I think it's going to be some kind of, um, uh, pants, uh, what's the term when it's, uh, joggers, some sort of guggers. Yeah, I think that might be it, which is also kind of like, uh, probably a no for me because being 5-8,

it's like it's so hard to get pants that are big enough around the stomach and not 17 feet too long, so maybe. But the joggers at least taper, so where they can still kind of be long and not be a big deal. So keep an eye out for that. Did you see that damn picture my buddy sent me of the, like my face is on the door. I don't care what anyone says. Like the impression of my face is literally in that door. Not artificial intelligence. It's like, I mean, and you can say it's anybody that just has a...

It looked like you were wearing makeup and ran really hard into the door. but I'm like, dude. And the best part about that were like the probably half dozen, I mean, there's probably more than that, but there was like a half dozen good ones of like people meming that. Yeah, I've just been running with that. And then so as I, one of the few things I actually, like I actually posted that to Facebook also.

And then I've been going in the comments and like, every time someone shares another thing in Discord, I've been adding those to the comments just so there's like an historical log of all these memes. So like, because my mom's getting a kick out of it too, because she doesn't have Instagram. So you usually see shit I put on the Facebook. So I've just been having a great time with that.

And there's been a couple guys that just been going out of the way to put some high effort memes into it. So granted, AI memes, but still, like you have to, it's hard to still get, like, like,

everybody like, we like the crap on AI a lot. But like, it's, it doesn't just, you don't just magically know the prompt to, to make it, make something funny.

Like, there's definitely some back and forth there to get it. So big, yeah, stall mat, Matt's probably been the leader on, uh, good,

good memes with that, but there's been a few others for sure. Oh. that's the most of what we got. Did you guys want to rate last week's episode? Big Rory, did you get a chance to listen to this last week's episode? Was that with the Dodgers dude?

Oh, no, no, sorry, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yep, sorry. I knew that, I knew that. I should have led better with that. I watched the day of. I'd have to get a little feeler. It's hard, they all blend together. All right, I'll share my memories of it.

It's about nothing, basically. Yeah, for sure. So it was the, it was the episode. And then my, my, my, the favorite part, I don't remember what, oh, because it was, it was, it was the second part of the double header. Yeah, it was the Q&A. Yeah, it was the Q&A actually. Yes. That's what it was.

So, that's what it was. I, I remember specifically, I asked if there was, uh, anyone on that should, uh, that we should keep on our radar to be on the podcast. And they kind of just was like, uh, no, you guys are doing good. So I was like, oh, there's a, thanks for the non-answer answer, but it's okay. Uh, it is all good. We can kind of know. I actually was very happy with that answer because Tanner said, that's true. You don't need our help.

You guys are doing great. And that was like, you're right, a non-answer, but it was like a, you don't need us. You guys, you handle unpaid and underrated. I actually was very happy with that answer. Yeah. Indeed. That's a better way to poke at. If you look at it like that, I agree.

My favorite part of the episode, the funniest part of the episode was when out of the blue, Tommy got the Charlie Horse from hell on his answering. And it's like, and I was actually watching the video. The video makes it so much better because, like, he, like, he stands up out of frame for a second. And then he's like, he just like is in like excruciating pain. So like I felt bad for him because everyone has those Charlie horses that are like, thankfully I haven't spent a minute since I've had a real bad Charlie horse. I'll probably ironically get one tonight. But.

Yeah, right. That was just. And then the best part of it being like, it's literally called a Charlie horse. All their bits lately have been horse related and stall mats and horse stall mats. So I'm just like, you couldn't have written it funnier than that. So for all those reasons, I'm going to give it a five out of five Tommy Charlie horses. It shows their consummate professionalism just, you know, it's obvious. a well-oiled machine at this point and how

Tanner just kept going like nothing ever happened. He was just going to let Tommy die off the screen. Yeah, you go suffer. I got this. I'm not going to check on you. You just go over there and suffer. We're like, we're not going to edit this out.

Just going to do it live. It's easier to do it live. Do you want to give it a rating, Rory? I mean, are we doing the, the drink scale rating? I got a five. Five out of five.

She should a five. Okay. As I crack up in my second Mountain Dew, I'm going to say it's got to be a five. There you go. Lots of insights, how to get strong, how to stay strong. I learned all that. How to use your strength. How to use your strength.

Yeah. Oh, man. I'm still listening to the backlog, and I just can't wait to start hearing that entrance again. Yeah, the Charlie Horse thing was very funny. The, the stuff. And then just like listening to them not remember any. thing from the Facebook movie was also very funny.

They didn't even remember who the main character was. I think it was I don't even remember it now. They said Justin Timberlake. They said Justin Timberlake. Yeah, but he wasn't the main guy. The other guy was. He didn't have a... I was like yelling at this. I was like, no, it's this. And now I don't remember. Man, podcasting is hard.

Yeah, I don't remember. Podcasting is hard. I'm going to give that five out of five. Justin Timberlake, rock your bodies. Mm. Mm. Yep. All right.

Do you have any affiliates you want to hit us with, Joey? As always, Hypedus.com with obsidian pneumonia. Breaking news. Duty free, if you're ordering from the States now. So he got that clearance, which is awesome of him. Oh, nice. Yeah. Plate snacks as well, code unpaid, and belt fed strength.

Code unpaid. You want to order anything from any of those guys? I've always said sometimes we get kickbacks, sometimes we don't. The coolest thing is it lets them know that you are paying attention to us. And that always bumps us up on their radar and they'll continue to give us cool stuff and cool stuff for you. It helps on the affiliates are actually products you like to. Like the obsidian stuff is great. Chris, the products are fantastic.

Yeah, I think about that a lot. Because people, you know, the main joke is Joey's an influencer. But like, I don't have an affiliate for anything I don't use. Yeah. Right? Like my barefoot affiliate, obsidian affiliate. If it is something that I get an affiliate for and I don't use, I take it down.

You know, the company, how it should be. The company rubs me the wrong way, even the slightest. I take it down. Yeah. Right? So, like, yeah. There's always that. Breaking news, we are no longer sponsored by massonomics.

We never want. you know no I don't know I just thought it was like you're right you're right it is when they're good companies

and a lot of them I've never reached out to right some of them have reached out to me I've reached out to them same with unpaid and underrated a lot of them announced it

on their episode Chris announced it on his episode that he was going to give us that code right so you know it really does help when it's somebody you care about yeah that's awesome Roy, do you have any kind words you wanted to share about massonomics?

You get a little read for them? Yeah, I suppose I could do that. All right, if we'll twist your arm hard enough. All right, twist it. All right, this episode of Unpaid and Underrated podcast, the braddy little sister podcast of Massanomics by crew, for crew, about crew, is brought to you by, well, massanomics, of course, shocking, I know.

Massanomics is a lifting podcast about absolutely nothing. No timestamps, no structure, just a couple, long-haired dudes talking about how we used to be a proper freaking country while sipping on sparkling water. And the words of Alanis Morset, isn't it ironic, don't you think? Our intro might say that you'll get strong, a lot of info, a lot of insights how to use your strength, but really, you're just going to get a bunch of cult-like jokes and conversations that start with squats and then with Costco chicken bakes and payable gold for to fiestas. By fiestas, I mean freestyles. I don't know how to read. It's basically Seinfeld. If Seinfeld weren't a pencil-necked

to dweeb. So go subscribe to Massanomics podcast wherever you get podcast, leave a five-star review on Apple Podcasts, smash all of the like buttons, use the ever-growing list of affiliate links in the show notes, buy a shirt, but don't buy our hats, become a certified training facility, and do consider becoming a Mass-Sanics supporting member because it's the only way they'll make it onto the relatively new segment of Mass-Satimics podcast supporting our supporting members. Very good, very good. Wow. Okay, there was two things in your ad read I want to approach. The first one is, was there anybody ever on Seinfeld that was jacked except for the guy that was stalking Kramer? No.

No, Elaine's, uh, who's Elaine's Elaine's boyfriend? Putty. Putty was not a small dude. No, he's just a large dude. I don't think he had a very jacked. He's just a large dude. Also, like, was anyone on TV jacked in the early 90s? Like, was there like, there was no.

Arnold Schwarzenegger. I was going to say Arnold. The 90s were all the jacked. TV people TV at the yeah maybe not Stephen Urkel Like whereas like everyone has At like every TV actor now has like a six pack like yeah They're like they're like a dad in a sitcom and they're jacked for no reason

Yeah Well it there was an episode about this I don't know I couldn't tell you the episode But like they talk about the people that were jacked on TV but they're actually not jacked Yeah they did do that yeah they did do that and it's like you know yeah I mean you look you look at Bain, the guy that played Bain, I'm terrible with those actors. Tom Hardy. It's like, yeah, Tom Hardy, he's not jacked at all. He has like the way that they made his traps look,

but you look at it and he's like, yeah, he's, he's, he's in good shape, but he's not, he's not Arnold Shortsnager. Like, no. The 90s. Yeah. The other one you brought up was the cult thing, and I forgot to say it. During rating this episode, um, when Tanner said it's a cult

without the bad stuff. That's direct quote from my wife. Yep, that's funny. I said that on this podcast, quoting Morgan. Yeah. You guys are in a cult just without all the bad things. Yep, it's true. It's fair.

Good callback. You want to get our guest on the horn? Yeah, let's kick all these guys out and see if you can get Big Rory on the phone. Are there guys? I don't know. I'm not allowed to assume what they are. Hey, Rory, is that you, buddy? It is.

Hey, welcome to the other podcast. Welcome, welcome. Thank you. I'll just get it out of the way. What's your name? What's your Instagram? What's your Discord? How's anyone going to find you?

Rory Ellis. Yeah, most of the stuff that you should look for is Rorman Strength. So that's R-O-R-M-A-N-Strength. That's on Instagram. The website is Rourmanstrength.com. If you want to follow all my music stuff, I'd post some lifting stuff, more family stuff, more personal stuff. It is at Rory Ellis Music on Instagram. I'm not really active on YouTube.

I do have a Rour Man Strength YouTube that I keep telling myself. I'm going to put more stuff on, but I never do. So Instagram is the best way to get a hold of me or find whatever I'm doing. Love it. And I very much appreciate people that actually spell their handles too. Like not even that Roorman's a hard one, but like there's people to get up here and say their name that's like the most obscure name ever. And I'm like, I'm looking at it typed on the screen and I couldn't say it or pronounce

it half the time. Yeah. Like just like spend the third like, I don't know. It's just funny sometimes. So with a name like, yeah, with the name like Rory, I kind of have to. I've been spelling my name my entire life because everyone thinks it's either Roy or Corey or so it's it's all I always eat Roar and with Roarman's strength. It's always Roman strength is what they always type out. So I can see that I get it just easier to spell it. Yeah. Anytime I'm like it like can I can I get a name for the order Keith Keith. Keith and they're just they still like butcher. They're so messed up time. Of course. It's like come on like well, what brought you to massonomics, Roy? How did you? Basically, all the, all the, I was just trying to get strong and, and use, you know, find insights on how to use my strength. And, and, uh, I found it there. You know, Kaz told me. So that was, I was hooked by the intro. No, but on a serious note, I've been, I've watched for probably a couple of years or so, um, just because again, uh, I've been lifting for 15ish years. So I've seen the, the flags and the banners and the, the shirts and stuff. And it wasn't until about a year, year and a half ago, maybe that I actually became a subpoena. board member because like I like these guys enough I buy their stuff I'm going to actually

you know support them because I like what they're doing but I couldn't tell you the exact instance where it was I've just have always been around training culture and I've seen the stuff and I'm like this is funny I like the bit about the you know turning the beer logos into other words I like it nice well we're glad to have you friend um so I know where you're from but have you always been there basically uh the question essentially is where do you live where you from. Yeah. Yeah. So I live in Christian in Tennessee. It's a small town of about 4,300 people outside of Nashville. We're just south, about 45 minutes south of Nashville. But I was born and just outside Dallas, Texas. And I only lived there for a few years until I moved to Florida. The Tampa Bay area

of Florida is where I grew up. And I just really hated the heat all year round and the humidity. So I moved to Tennessee after I got married in 2018. And we've been here. ever since. I was going to say, as a Canadian and Keith, you'll back me because you're pretty close. It is wild that they're like Florida has no seasons. They have like warm and not as warm. Yes. It was minus 15 degrees Celsius when I left for work this morning.

And then by 3 p.m. It was plus one degree Celsius. I love it. And it's like we can have every season Florida has in 12 hours. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love the Massonomics that Tanner posted on the Instagram page at the average temperature in South Dakota was like 46, the average annual temperature.

And I was like, that sounds so amazing. I hate the heat. I hate the heat. I am a cold. I run warm all the time. So my house would be at 65 if I could all year round. But my wife would not allow that. So I suffer in a 70 degree house.

But if I could be in winter all year, that's the dream. Now, even if the winter brings ice. So that's a thing. Although I've never lived. We all saw the video. I've never lived where I had to shovel snow and ice. I didn't, did not ice my driveway. Funny story.

Actually, just today, Army or fail. Yeah, fail army. That big page. They're all over. They reached out. I signed a contract so they could use that video. Oh, hell. So just if any of the listeners don't know what video we're talking about, you want to give us the, you want to set that up and kind of go through it?

Yeah. So, of course, I was wearing my Massonomics hoodie. I was walking from my shop. I have an external garage. It's a 600 square foot shop where I do my Roman string stuff. It's also the gym. And I was walking back. And my entire front yard is ice. My driveway is ice. So I'm walking up from the shop to the house. And you see your crunching of the ice under my feet. And right, when I hit where the pavement is or the concrete, you just, maybe one or two steps and I slipped fell right on my knee. I get up and I probably took another two steps and fell right again. So it was just classic. And they basically reach out and they're like, hey, yeah, we saw your video. We love it. Can we use it basically? And they sent over contract and they're actually like give me money apparently. Like they give you like 60% of whatever it's going to be 10 bucks, I'm sure. But it's cool. Nonetheless, they're partnered with like Taco Bell. So like they play the fail army stuff and like Taco Bell and all over all over. Yeah. I didn't know that until they just they said it like they said where they're where they play all the time so

thought that was kind of kind of funny so if you see if you see a guy in a massonomics hoodie falling twice on ice that's me yeah i don't know what to be funnier is me seeing it or my kids going daddy massanomics and then you eating it yep i wish i wish it was like the big em so it was a little more recognizable it's like that uh that sports looking uh no yeah the the varsity yeah varsity yeah it's that script so you can't really see if you're if you're a crew member, you would know it. But other people on a small TV and Taco Bell probably won't be able to know what it is.

Well, I mean, it is good that crew fall down every now and then. So Tyler isn't fill alone. Big Tyler from the podcast has I think twice now eating shit pretty hard. And we've been able to meme it. And he's played into it. He's been a good sport with it. But, uh,

Rory, you've been around a minute. You've got a lot of friends in crew, you know, your good buddies with carp. What's that one thing you've seen someone wearing or you've seen on Instagram and you're like, You go to the website, try to buy it and realize it's not available. Is there anything that sticks out to you that you've just put your hands on? Yeah. Well, I thankfully got my hands on it.

But, you know, there's people that pretend to like Milwaukee when they're Riobe fanboys or DeWalt like yourself. And they steal up, steal up all the Excel, bolt t-shirts. I love that. So when they came over to do the video, Tommy or Tanner was wearing that. And I, it's like that faded red. I think it's called brick on the yeah of the uh I think it's break either way I was like that that looks like a new that's got to be a new shirt I've never seen it but I didn't ask and now I wish and then of course they released like a week later and of course it sold out

within like an hour and I was like oh of course it sold out super fast so I was very upset about that but I have mine now so I do have two actually I have a I just bought a double XL but because it's the comfort colors the the boxier fit yeah that's got to it's like it's around the house it's around the house shirt so yep yep I feel that I got two and I am a Milwaukee guy through and through. I'll, it's better than, but I know people are going to say

Milwaukee and Riobe are owned by the same company. I get it. They are technically owned by the same company, but that's, they're completely different products. I mean, DeWalt owns Black and Decker and Black and Decker. Exactly.

Garbage. So, like, you know, every parent, I mean, and the other one might even be the parent company. It's just the,

yeah, I don't know. Like, I'm pretty sure Black and Decker's been around longer than, uh, DeWalt. So it's just, longer than even a,

live. I think Black and Decker's been around. Oh, yeah. Maybe he used to be a proper country and black and Decker didn't suck. Do you know your Hall of Fame? It was only black. Back then. Yeah, it was only black before. Decker joined later.

Decker ruined. He ruined the whole thing. That stupid Decker. He's such a big deck. I don't know my Hall of Fame status. I think it's close to about eight or so. I had it. I have it over in a drawer somewhere.

I think it's close to eight. This is a jack. I got the two. I got, I got, oh, yeah, there's,

I got three of the hardest ones. I got this one. I won a competition, the easiest one. I won, I won like a, uh, the Instagram photo competition of the,

the drink spotter once. I won the red drink spotter. So that was a harder one. And then I also got my voice on the podcast because they played my song. So all you have to do, it's, it's so easy, guys.

All you have to do is write a song, have mass and then they'll record it and the, you'll get your voice in the podcast. It's not hard. I forgot that you have you won the red So I was gonna say I three are the only red I believe that's up that they're like from the manufacturer red Yeah, Tanner gave me and Joey those as like gifts

Oh yeah that was a crew falls hands us a box and goes Open it and don't show anybody later and we had to sit on that secret Who said that for a couple months? Yeah, there was just in the background I don't I don't I don't I don't hate hearing and knowing the secrets, but it's just like having to keep things from your friends. I'll know about that soon.

I got a text from Tanner today about a secret that I have to keep. Yep. Yeah, mom's a word on that. Yeah. There's, there's, there's,

there's, there's, there's, there's, some, someday we'll be able to, yeah, someday we'll be able to,

yeah, so we talked about your, you know, we talked about someone's gym earlier, a little bit. But Roy, do you have a CTF? You got a certified training facility? I sure do. Nice. What's her name? I'm just going to call it Daddy's Garage because that's what the girls call it. That's what my girls call it. But it's Rorman Strength is what it says on the actual certificate. Yeah, it's just Rormand Strength. That's where I run the business out of. So half the gym is dedicated to that.

And by half, I mean like maybe a quarter. So the last video I would have seen would have been the Coops, which was us, which, that was attached that was like a shed but now you're in a more of a standalone you're in like you're in like you're in a bigger building now right yeah so i think tommy told me that like you were like literally moving in like shit the same day or the day before like getting your stuff like yeah so car so carp did the the the three car garage in my in our old house coop did a two car in this house that i'm currently in but the two car i had the slab poured and done for the building that is now the one that NASA Starmock stored

So I've been in there Completely nude everyone When it comes out tomorrow Yeah Yeah I've been I've been in there For about a year But I was finishing the walls And everything

So I put up like ship lap On the walls And I finished A day that they came in So Friend of the ironic We'll have We're gonna have big

Big Kurt on next week Who's a big Oh that's Well ship Okay I'm thinking of What's the What's the wood and stuff

That he does It's the Oh yeah The cleat The cleat That's what I was French cleat. So, Shiplap is just like, that's just, you have just have decorative board. Yeah. Yeah. Instead of drywall or just plywood. It was, and honestly, it was just the cheapest thing.

There's like 35 bucks a board. It's like a four by eight board. So I could cover a lot of ground with like a thousand bucks versus like getting. I should have done plywood, but it would have cost like three grand or something stupid. So it was, it was cheap and easy for me to do it because it's like, you know, it's like, you know, super thin, super thin board. So it's easy for me to climb up on a ladder and throw it up myself. So I did everything. myself, but it looks like the ladder. There's on the ladder. It's not on ice. You should be good. Yes. It was not. All right. Well, we had a handful of people submit some stuff for you. Your mom actually gave us probably the most amount of stuff too. So how did you go about,

I don't think this is your first. Oh, I know the first fact because I've listened to the two or three other podcast you've done. But when you sent out the questionnaire, were you just kind of generic and said, hey, it's for a lifting thing? Or how'd you explain what this was for? Yeah. explaining to people what massonomics is is already hard enough. So explaining to people what this is is even harder. So I didn't even attempt to. I just said, I said,

Hey, I'm going to be on a podcast. Can you fill us out? And they're like, yeah, sure. So as someone who's been on a few podcasts, if you had,

you've kind of got to, I'm sure people have sent you questionnaires or at least maybe fished for some feedback from stuff. But so the guy, the gentleman was on earlier, Nate, he is our producer. He does all our,

he has like 99% of our technical stuff. a little bit of feedback from Joey and I. But like, so he built that whole like, web page for us and, uh, how, how was that,

that interface seemed to be pretty, I guess what I'm fishing for his like, what was your impression? Because for me, for me, it's an amazing tool and has made my life so much easier to get information for people. And it's just,

uh, here, like all the information is what one, one click of your finger of what we need from you for the podcast. So no, honestly, it's been on some other podcasts that you're probably like, oh,

this isn't so bad. No, honestly, it was, it was, uh, genuinely the best. that's not blowing smoke at all.

It's like I've been on garage gym life a couple times, garage and experiment a few times at garage and radio with Jake from home gym con. The Kurt Lockers podcast. I wish he would come bring. That was like his YouTube series, which were essentially a podcast. He did that for like six months straight. And then it's just been like radio,

radio silent the last year or something. Yeah, he's got a bunch of stuff. I think he just retired from the Air Force. So he's got a bunch of stuff going on. Yeah. Yeah. that'd be a good one. But yeah, I've been on quite a few and been fortunate enough to do that.

But the interface was honestly the best because the other ones were like maybe sent to me an email with a couple of questions. Like, yeah, not that any of them bad. It's just a conversation. So it's easy to have. But the whole questionnaire was awesome. I thought it was a clever way to do it. Everything was super easy and well thought out. So yeah. It makes it. It makes it super easy for us. Because like unlike you, like, you know, I could deep dive and get a little bit of stuff about you and just talk about your business for an hour. but this is more like we want to get to know you. So it's kind of hard to like, there's only so much we can naturally source from just looking at someone's Instagram and Facebook.

So without the questionnaire, this is just like we're throwing poop at the wall and see what sticks. So having, having the questionnaire at least helps guide us. Like we don't, you know, we only have to, honestly,

we use like a third of what's on there sometimes. But yeah, enough to. It's a guideline. You know, yeah, we just look for those things that can be, you know,

embrace good conversation. So yeah, do a little least fun, most fun. So if anyone's listening for the first time, We got a game we like to play here. It's called Lease Fun Most Fun. So we're going to give Rory a single topic and he has to go through and essentially

tell me the worst and the best thing about it. But we like to call it Least Fun Most Fun. So Big Rory, I kind of keep this little broad for you. So you kind of take it however you want. But least fun, most fun, home gymcon. Ooh. Most fun. Honestly, talking to the people.

As a business owner, I'm very open about my faith in Jesus Christ. And it was really cool to see. not to get too serious goose on you guys. It was really cool to see people come up to me and want to talk to be about my faith and about Jesus. That to me as a follower of Christ was amazing. I think more people or just as many people talk to me about that as they did my gym equipment, which is really cool to me. So I loved that part of it.

The least fun was just being on my feet all day. And again, I did the strongman competition. So that it's really a weird situation for me in particular. I was probably the only vendor. that competed as well. For sure. Maybe someone did a grip competition or something, but like an actual big all-day competition as probably being a solo booth as well.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. If someone was one of four guys and went and did a comp for a couple hours, it's no big deal. But you were literally running your own booth by yourself. Yeah. So, yeah, my situation is going to be a little bit different. But for that, for me, the competing part of it was also the most fun. So I know I'm riding the line on that one. But the least fun part was definitely just like I was exhausted.

It's just it's concrete floors and I always wear like these shorts from Academy Sports that have like liner built in. So I actually don't wear underwear if I'm wearing those shorts, a little TMI for you guys, but you guys are used to that. So by the end, by the end of the day, I was chafing so bad. Walking around all day. I got going to make, you're going to make better clothing decisions this year? Yes. So I actually went the, after the first night I went and bought underwear. If you try to buy underwear in Louisville, Kentucky at Walmart, the underwear is under lock and key.

I don't know. I don't know what they're trying to steal underwear in Louisville. But yeah, Louisville, Walmart, underwear is under lock and key. So that's a little fun factoid for you guys. You had to call somebody to get you your underwear. I did. That's fantastic. After the day you had, you just walk up and you're like, I just need underwear.

I don't care what happens. And then you're like, I'm just picturing you leaning on the glass being like, it's right here. Yeah. Yeah. Ding dong. Like you have to ring the bell. And the best part was, the best part was not all of the underwear was under lock and key. It was like some of it.

And it wasn't even like the most expensive packs because like underwear is like 20 bucks for a pack of Haynes or something like that. And it was like there was that. And then there was more expensive items right behind you that you could also steal. So it's like, what's the point? I guess the selectiveness of that. Yeah. Pretty wild enough. Yeah.

But yeah, that's, it's probably just the most stolen items. I would imagine, yeah. Yeah. No, that's annoying. We have another question I like to ask everybody. So let's say you're about to go out,

you're at home gym con, and they call your name. So you've got to stop whatever sale you're doing and run across the room to go and do your lift. Who's the hype person that you wish was right there to hype you up for that lift? Oh, easy. Tyler Obringer, a dude's a monster. If you guys don't know who he is, I don't know, is it handle off top of my head, but he is a, he's a strong man competitor. I think he's a pro strong man in like the pro AM kind of circuit or whatever. But, like he competed at the Arnold, not the Arnold, the, the, the shot classic. He competed in there, in there, just a massive dude. I think he's going to Hatfield squat like a thousand for 10 using my, my lever arm handles as Hatfield. handles and it's got like a 500 pound over head press. He's insane. Anyways, I have a video of me doing my personal PR deadlift, which is 735, and he hyped me up for that. And I actually

failed the first lift and I got a redemption rep because he screamed in my ear basically to stop being a sissy. And I got it. I got it up. So he's he's a tight man. Also Adam Dirk's. He's a pro Strongman as well. He's from Nashville. He was Evan Singleton's trainer for quite a long time. And he famously did that massive slap. If he has watched the Arnold Classic strongman competition, like two years ago, he slapped Evans back so loud that it like rang out in the theater. Yeah, the commentators were like commentating on more, more about the slap than the actual lift. So I've actually. I've had, I've had that slap. I've had Adam's massive hand on my back and it left that beautiful, perfect handprint that lasted about three and a half

or four days. It was wild. So he's, he's an awesome dude. All right. Now it's time we usually get into the, this is your life kind of stuff. As far as your work goes, feel free to talk about as little or as much as you want. Sorry, Keith, I stole your line. But you can tell us about what you do for a living or you can tell us to not talk about it.

Yeah. So I am a full-time active duty army. I am in the Tennessee National Guard, but I'm active duty in the National Guard. So it's called AGR, Active Guard Reserve. And basically I am in a unit called the 45th Civil Support Team, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Civil Support Team. So what we do is we deal with like chemical, biological, nuclear, radiological warfare. So case and point would be like Boston, that kind of event where there's potential for mass casualties. My unit would go.

We support the Boston Marathon every year. We support big inaugurations anywhere. There's a chance for mass casualties. We would be there. We monitor the area with our detection equipment. We would detect for radiation, different gases in the air, different harms to the public. So we work all kinds of events.

We're also like swift water rescue certified. We're also rope rescue certifies. We do so like training out in the mountains that we do like explosive stuff, even though we're not EOD, we do explosive training to recognize that stuff. So we're the guys that go in hazmat suits go down. We'll take samples of something that some bad guy was making. And some guy came across and we tell the people what it is. So we got a whole like rolling laboratory.

I'm not the laboratory kind of guy. I'm just the guy that goes down in the hazmat suit and take samples and does the grunt work. But it's a, it's fun. It keeps things interesting. Every day is a little bit different. But most of the time, the good thing is we're not doing real world missions all the time, which is a good thing. Most of the stuff we do is just training for the what if kind of thing.

So we have a lot of training lanes that are usually a week long. We get to travel quite a bit, do some cool stuff. So it's fun. I like it's a very travel extensive kind of setup or like how off, how much travel do you, which you ballpark you're doing a year? Yeah. So the first three years,

there's different courses that you have to go to to get certified. It takes you three years to get certified. I just hit that a couple years ago. I almost got about four or five years into the unit. it itself. And the first year, I was in a hotel room. The good thing is we get to stay in like Marriott hotels. So it's not, you know, too bad. I had 185 hotel stays in a Marriott in the first year. The second year was about the same 150 nights. So it slowed down significantly, which is amazing because I have two young daughters. I don't like to be away from them. But the first,

the first few years was, was rough. The first year in particular, I tried to knock out all of my three-year requirements within the first year and I did that for the most part. And now the next trip we have, we're going, I'm going to San Diego for a radiation backpack class. It's like a radiation detection backpack, basically. I'm going there for a class. It's like a week. So most of the stuff I do nowadays is like a week long and I might get one of those every two or three months. Well, that's not bad. So it's not bad at all. And then like as far as deployment, I'm probably can't talk about. I'm just curious of like how off are you only doing stuff in Tennessee then? Or do you get pulled all over the country for the actual deployment itself.

Yeah. So the good thing is we're a non-deployable unit in terms of Oconis, but, um, meaning outside of the United States, but conis, we could be, we could be deployed anywhere in the United States if needed. The good thing is there's one of, there's one CST, a civil support team in every single state. There's two, there's two in California and two in Florida and two in New York. Um, and they're usually spread out basically just population density based.

So, because New York is so big. New York is massive. Yeah. New York is gigantic. Yeah. Large. Sorry to interrupt you, but I had to dig. I had to throw that dig in.

Yeah, the big apple, you know. I know. Empire State. But yeah, so if something happens in New York, the Massachusetts team or the main team or some of the other teams would probably assist first. So we're basically broken into different FEMA regions. So we're in like the southern, the southeast region.

So if something happened in Georgia, North Carolina, Kentucky, we'd probably help out with a big thing. But like that big train train to realment in Ohio a couple of years ago, we were called to like volunteer to have people, but other teams from other states around Ohio were called to that before we were. So if something happens in Tennessee, we're the first to go. And most of our missions come from, we have an FBI counterpart that we work really closely with.

So like the FBI will basically call us and say, hey, we got this thing going on. We need the CST to help us figure out what it is. and we go and deploy. So it's nothing like I was active duty army before from 2011 to 2015. And I deployed to Afghanistan. And I was prepping for a deployment to Iraq, which got canceled at the very last minute. But that kind of stuff is long gone. I won't go overseas necessarily.

I did go to, I did go to Bulgaria a couple of years ago with the team for a training mission to train the Bulgarian army and other places over there in what we do. But short of that, again, that was just a week long. I'm not deploying for six months or a year at a time. Anything could happen. I'm in the Army. So I'm on property of the U.S. government.

So if they needed me, they could. But because my unit is so specialized at what we do, the likelihood of me being deployed to Ukraine for the war or whatever is very, very unlikely. Makes sense. Which I love. Am I completely misremembering or confusing with someone else?

Did you initially get in the Army and play music? Or is that, am I way off? Okay. No, I thought that was. That's right. Yeah.

I understand that you ask, if you could audition for the band as a condition of you joining the army. Yeah. Yeah. So I was in touring metal bands, progressive metal bands all throughout high school and had, you know, success in the metal world, if you call it that. Success in the metal world isn't much. But I did some cool things in there.

Like, you know, some of U.S. tours with bands did a warp tour, some fun stuff. But I realized very quickly the metal makes no money. So if I needed, if I wanted to have, you know, a job playing music, I had to do something else. And the Army, my grandfather had seen an Army band commercial or something. And he said, hey, man, if you looked into this and I said, no, but I will. So I went to the recruiting station that I worked, I was working on Marshalls at the time, like, for a seasonal job. And there was some recruiting station right next door.

My girlfriend at the time, her dad was in the Army. So, like, I just walked in and said, hey, I want to join the band. And the recruiter knew nothing about the band for the Army. He's like, I'll figure out what to do. And basically he gets an audition, I audition. And then the audition just lets you go to basic. And then once you go through basic training, just like everyone else, you go to your AIT, which for the Army band is at the school of music in Norfolk, Virginia.

That's where they do all the Navy Marine Air Force band. All of them are at the same schoolhouse in Norfolk, Virginia. And that's your AIT over there. And then you have to still pass that school to get through to be a bandman. And then I went to the third infantry division. as a guitar player for there and that's where I deployed to Afghanistan. And it's fun. I liked it a lot when I was deployed.

That was the bad thing. As a guitar player in Afghanistan. Yes. Yep. Yeah. So overseas, I played guitar all the time. That was our entire mission.

We would go from fob to fob. A fob for anyone listening that doesn't know is a forward operating base. So a lot of the big fobs, they have all kinds of amenities. They have U.S. Tours. They have big celebrities that come through. And they have all the kinds of things to entertain the,

themselves, but the smaller fobs don't have any of that. There might be 30 or 40, 50 people there and they might check their mail once a week, whereas like everyone else, they get their mail every day. It's like a big base. So our job was to go to all those smaller bases and give those people that don't get the entertainment, some sort of entertainment. So we would be at a fob for two, three, four, five days or so, do a couple shows at the defact or at a wherever. And then we'd just hop on a bird and get to another fob and do that over and over again, for intrepete. So I probably went to every fob in the RC South region of Afghanistan, and probably 20 or 30 fobs in my in my time over there. So it was a lot of fun. But then when I got

back to Fort Stewart, Georgia, it's a lot of like ceremonial music as a guitar player. You're put on bass drum or symbols, something that I didn't want to play. So I was like, I don't, I don't want to do this anymore. So I got out, met my wife, went to school for physical therapy, did physical therapy here in Tennessee for a while. And then of course, COVID happened and shut down all the clinics. And then I'm like, maybe I'll rejoin the guard. So I rejoin the guard as a guitar player again. And then one of my buddies was in the unit that I'm in now and said, hey, we have an opening. If you want to put in an application basically and do the interview, I could probably hook you up. And that's how I got the job that I'm in now. Nice. I'm assuming the pay scale is

based on the risk factor a little bit. So I'm assuming you're doing a little, a little, a little, take care of family a little better now. Yeah, we get a little hazard pay and stuff like that. Yeah. That sounds, that sounds, you know, honestly fair. Yeah. All I could think of is as somebody who both of us hate the heat, traveling in Afghanistan, going to every FOB. It's brutal.

Granted, I was, I was probably 40 pounds lighter in Afghanistan. That was probably a buck 60, buck 70, probably. That's when I really started working out was when I joined the Army, especially overseas, because there's not a whole lot to do if you're not playing or practicing for in my job and I was working out. So twice three times a day I was working out. So I really got into it over there. But I was only 170 pounds. Now I'm 2.10 or so. So well, that does lead into our next question. But I did want to ask, did you ever see any of those big giant spiders, the huntsmen's? I did not. Thankfully, because that would freak me out. Yeah,

the camel spiders. I did not see those. Yeah. Camel spiders. Those guys. Yeah. Yeah. They keep up with your cars and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. They're legitimate. The body is like the size of your hand. And then the legs go for yeah it's gross um no thank thank god i did not see any of those not a spider guy no i mean i'm not a bug guy in general i'm not like if i see when i'll i'll walk up and kill it with you know paper towel i'm not scared of it but i don't like them does anyone actually like spiders if you do you're weird i did well i was going to say then i'm weird like i'm just like hey thank you for killing the things i don't like yeah i don't kill i yeah i don't kill banana spiders are the ones that eat the other bugs i'll keep those and there's one that i have outside of my

house during the summer. They made these really cool webs and I would show the girls. The girls loved it. But I mean, I'm not like, yeah, I'm going to go play with that spider. Oh gosh, no, no, no. If you're in my bedroom, you're dead. Yes, okay. Rest of the house, then you can do your job. Yeah, you're not weird.

Especially in the basement. You can do your job. You're going to kill the, like I remember when we couldn't figure it out, but there were hornets coming into my house from somewhere into the basement. And my gym, I didn't know at the time. but I would go into the gym and there would just be webbed dead hornets. Yeah. Everywhere.

And then I was like, okay, well, first of all, we're going to stop vacuuming for spiders. And second of all, we have to find out where these guys are coming in. Yeah, yeah. No, they serve a purpose. People just, well, we'll kill brown recluse. Like, we get a lot of those in the south and those are poisonous. We have those here, but like they're not, they're not as bad as they are down there. Like, I don't have to check my shoes, but if my shoes have been in the basement,

I will check my shoes. Yeah. Yeah. That's about the extent of, like, well, I'll keep wolf spiders around because they kill other things

that I don't want in my house. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I'm not, I'm not getting a pet tarantial at any time soon. Let's just say that. No,

no. Odd pets in general are weird. Yeah. So you started lifting because you're in the army. Yeah. And now we're now. So do you want to get some of that journey? Yeah,

for sure. So I started lifting when I was, it had to be 2011, 2012, somewhere in that ballpark got serious and it was really just bodybuilding stuff just trying to get big and you know put on some muscle look good and then it wasn't really until i so i got out of the army in 2015 and i went to school for physical therapy um and i was learning about the body of anatomy you know kinesiology

and i really like that side side of thing so i was really into like ben pokolsky at the time was kind of the the jeff nippered or the mike azuretel of today he was way ahead of the time he was like science-based training kind of thing. I was really into how it worked. So I was doing a lot of bodybuilding and trying to be optimal before. Optimal training was a thing, which has gotten overuse. But that's a different story. So I got into power lifting kind of organically.

I just started lifting. I kind of noticed I was getting decent at the deadlift in particular. I probably hit 500, I don't know, eight years ago or so. And it was rough. And I realized quickly, I'm like, this is fun to train for something because body. building. I actually prepped for like three bodybuilding shows and never stepped on on a bodybuilding stage. Like I got like lean enough to be on a bodybuilding stage like a legit five percent. Like I know people say they're lean, but I was a legit shredded. And I'm like, I don't want to step

on stage and pose and posing trunks. This is weird. That side of bodybuilding is strange. And it doesn't give you a goal other than an image. And it that's, it's a subjective image. So like the best looking person in your opinion, you could lose the show. So that to me really turned me off to like the actual sport of bodybuilding. And I was like, I need something else to train for. So power lifting was like, I'm chasing a number. So I have an actual objective goal. I can see when I hit that goal.

So that was really fun. I did that for a while. I competed in a couple of USPA meets. Not USPA meets. And then that of course got boring. And that went to Strongman. So now I do Strongman. It was just got boring to do the same lifts over and over again.

There's only so many variations in squad benched deadlift you could do. And I always liked Strongman. as a, you know, just a sport to watch. I thought it looked fun. So I got into that probably three or four years ago. And then I competed for my first time at the second home gymcon. So last year was the third one. So the second home gym con was my first powerless in meet.

And I've done two others total. Did you hit, you have a booth at home gymcon, the 20, 24, did you? The second one? Just the back of my Santa Fe. Okay. I didn't remember you having a booth. I remember you being there and competing because you were just, you was, uh, well, that'll lead us into, I guess, the, uh, the handles and, you know, getting the, the, I mean, I'm, the more I learn about you, the more I'm baffled that you have time for a side hustle when it sounds like your main life is hustle hustle. So it's like, dang, dude. Like, so yeah, walk us through all that. But if anyone's not familiar, what do you make? What's your product line? How did that evolution come about, etc. Yeah. So the company's Romance strength. And I, I basically, the, the flagship product, uh, is, called. the megalith handle. It's a jammer arm. It started as a jammer arm handle because all the handles

on jammer arms were a fixed handle. So if you're familiar with jammer arms or lever arms, whatever you want to call them, you're basically forced to press in the path that that lever creates. So for this hand is a lever, you're forced to press in this arc pattern. So for a shoulder press, over a press, bench press, you're pressing in an arc motion. And it's very awkward. And I found it weird on my wrist and on my shoulders. And with my physical therapy background, I was like, this is strange. I don't like it. And I was thinking of something to do.

So I made an articulating handle. I found out later that Rogue actually did have an articulating handle, but it didn't rotate all the way. It only had a small margin, so it was kind of pointless. But I went through the whole thing. I bought, I got the stock handles, and then I got to the Mute Metals, just straight bar handles, which are fantastic handles.

Chris over at Mute Metals is amazing. But it still left something to be desired. It's still pressed in that same arc pattern. So I came up with Amgalith handles. And they really just kind of took off organically. Coop ended up reaching out when I was actually shopping for diapers in Walmart. I got a notification on my phone.

I messaged from garage reviews and said, hey, man, this is Coop. I love, you know, send me a, send me what I'd love to try these out. I was like, what? Like, yeah, duh, sure. I think I launched him. I probably sold like 30 at the time. And then Coop, Coop got on to that little bandwagon pretty early on. And he was a lever arm fan.

He loved the product. I remember he sent me a text message and he's like, it was a video. He's like, dude, he did it. These are awesome. And I was like, that's all I needed. So it was so cool. And from that point, I've never paid a diamond advertising. I just been blessed by word of mouth.

People liking the product and they've done really well to the point where PRX end up picking them up and they sell them as an add-on with their halo arms. They should be available with the halo. arm, the profile heel or arms soon, just have to work with them on getting those there. But then more recently about, I guess about a year ago at this point, maybe six months ago, rogue, Rogue Fitness, obviously everyone knows who Rogue is. They end up taking them on their site as well. So everything's still done by me.

They're just hosted on the, on the Rogue website. But, I mean, they get thousands of eyeballs on their website per day versus my two or three. So it's opened up a whole, whole different salesmen. market that I would have ever been able to do by myself. So I've been very blessed in that regard. How many? But then obviously, sorry, good. I was going to say like, yeah, sorry.

No, no, that's just as terrible. No, we're doing that little dance. Like we're walking out of the hallway and you go left, right. But yeah, the, I have other products too. I have an old nut, a stainless steel weight or a couple things. And so far, they're all surrounding the megalith handle. but I bet two years into this this journey of being a business owner and sales have just been been going well everyone loves the products. I think I'm in 25 different countries, which is

absolutely unreal. I just, I have three in Poland and I just sold one to New Zealand. I got one in like a country. I don't even, I never even heard of in Africa. It's like, it's so cool to think that something that I came up with and end up making a new national product is, is, is, all over the world. It's a wild thought. I feel like their shipping has to be more than the product or on par with it, too, in some of those places. A lot of the times the guy from New Zealand, the person out, man, if the guy or not, the person from New Zealand just spent, it's like 150 bucks in shipping.

So, yeah, it's wild. And to anyone listening, if you're overseas, I do typically tend to hook up the people that are, that I notice pay like 150 bucks in shipping. I'll throw in a couple little freebies here and there. Just a little wink, wink, if you're in Europe and you want to excuse to order, I do. usually hook you up with a couple extra things. I just got to feel bad that you're spending half of the money on shipping because it's a $300 product and you're spending $150 of it on shipping.

So that's wild to me. So yeah, getting on, a rogue's website, getting on partnering with PRX, like the zero just your sales had to have kind of nice and steady now. It sounds like, I remember I think one of the things you had mentioned the podcast is you want to get this to where it can kind of offset your wife's salary

so she can say home. Is that something that's been able to take place yet? Or is it still in the works? That's exactly. the whole goal with room and strength. And it hasn't happened yet, but we're actually talking about it. My wife and are very much discussing the possibility of her staying home and teaching our girls.

She's a teacher. She's taught third grade in ESL for 10 or 12 years at this point. So she's highly qualified to do it. And I would I'd really like to have her homeschool our girls. And when you think about the offset of child care nowadays, child care is so expensive, we want to get them into good schools. And it's like at some point, it's doable right now, but we would have to, we'd have to budget a lot.

So what we're hoping and praying for is that our, our girl will go to kindergarten this year, our oldest will go to kindergarten this year. The other one will stay in the daycare that she's in, which is just like an in-home daycare. There's like three other kids. And then next year she'll be able to stay home and romance strength will supplement the income.

It's just risky. because, I mean, I sell Jammer Arm handles and Jamar Arms are a niche product. So jammerham handles are a niche product as well. So I have a lot of ideas. It's just as a one-man shop with a full-time job and a family, they're just, I can't get products out quick enough. Like, I think of them faster than I could ever produce them. So it's just hard. And it's a big risk, but it's a risk that I'm willing to take for my family.

So hopefully next year, long story short, hopefully next year. Yeah, well, fingers crossed will be, we'll be rooting for you, bud. Yeah. I uh, someone with a seven foot ceiling, jammer arms aren't really a, uh, applicable in my scenario.

Yeah, for sure. They're not for everyone. Have you noticed? Have you noticed like, because I mean, what was it? Two years ago,

Jamer arms, I'm not saying jamar arms aren't popular still, but like, everything comes in waves and stuff. So, of course. You know, it's all like whatever the,

the reviewers are pushing is whatever they want to tell you, the popular thing this, this, this quarter is. So it's all been, uh, you know,

this, that and the other. So have you noticed that in, in your sales trend at all? like you think, where it's like, you know, you spike and then you dip and there's, it's been pretty consistent. It's been pretty consistent, honestly. It really has. I've been very surprised by that. Yeah, because, again, like you said, Jammer Arms were really popular when Kup put out the video about the Halo Arms that kind of spiked them up because PRX is a big company. They had the

best all in one system at that time and that was a big spike. I saw all those spike there. Obviously, when Koop talks about your product, you're going to get spikes. Gluck did a couple things. But the thing is now the megalith handles, I said earlier when I was talking about megalithans that they started out as a jam around handle, but there's so many more uses for them now. Like you can literally just reverse the handle and take off the hardware, and it's a beautiful open D handle that actually is fantastic. It doesn't get in the way of your arm.

So when you're doing like chest flies, the cable doesn't run into the back of your arm. It wasn't designed that way. It was just a perfect accident that it happened to work that way. And that's selling as its own product. And so the cable attachment is a whole other version. of that and there's different configurations. I came up with the Holy Handles, which is an attachment for the mega handles,

which makes it so it's a neutral grip or a 45 degree angle. So that was a little bit of a spike. I've got a quick attach bracket coming out very soon. That was Gunner Peterson's request. Gunner Peterson, if anyone doesn't know him in the home gym world, you probably do. But he was like the lake. Yeah, he was like the Lakers head coach or head, a strength and condition coach for years.

And he's trained all the Kardashians. He's a big celebrity trainer. And he actually specifically asked me for that when I went to his gym. And so I was like, yeah, dude, I'll make it. So that should be coming out next month or March or something like that. So that should teeter off. So basically I'm adding organically, I'm not doing this on purpose, but I'm finding more uses for them and trying to expand the use for the people that already have them.

Because for me, it really does mean a lot when people spend their hard-earned money, I know, especially with the way the economy is and, you know, whatever. We won't go into politics. Everything going on. Yeah, with everything going on. going on. The fact that you're spending your money on my product, that really does mean the world to me. I say that a lot and I sound like a broken record when I say it, but it's completely genuine. So I want to give my customers the most versatility for that. So if I could come out with, like I have a chain basically adaption coming out. So if you have my neural handles, you can attach a chain to it with a swivel eyeball and a deadstop thing and have a tricep rope chain versus like a tricep rope. Because the problem with the tricep rope, in my opinion, is that one, One side's always uneven. I noticed that this is a very weird motion to do.

Make sure that's a real. Yeah. A little utter action going on for those of the wondering. But the one side of the rope is always weird. So I made one out of chains. So it's always perfectly symmetrical. So little things like that, just adding versatility.

So people could still get more use out of my product. That has sustained the business over just a jammery handle. If it was only a jammerer handle, I think I'd see part. right more ebbs and flows with sales. So year, year two at home gymcon for you. We're about six months out.

I mean, that's a little early to plan stuff, but I'm sure you've already got some, some ideas. Are you going solo booth this year? Are you teaming up with Vandette again? Yep, yeah. Yeah, Britain and I are going to team up again.

For those of that don't know, Britain from Vendetta Strength is an absolute genius. And he's helped me a ton. He does all my CAD drawings. So basically I come to him with the idea, and he basically made it a reality. So he's been a godsend for sure. But he's so busy.

He just had a brand new daughter a couple days ago. And he's transitioning into a new position at work. He's a nuclear engineer down in Chattanooga. And he's so busy. I think I think I'm the side hustle also. Yeah. And his side hustle does support his wife's income. So his wife stays over which is awesome.

So that's where I'm trying to get at. But yeah, yeah, I love that dude. And we're going to team up again for another. another booth. So we'll be right by the rep booth. We'll be right by Nazanomics basically. Love it. Love it. Love it. Yeah.

You definitely. My, my favorite thing about your booth was like knowing you were kind of back and forth from doing meet and greet, you know, just walking around seeing, seeing the booths, seeing other booths, but then obviously at the Strongman show, you had a little handwritten note, I think, said,

give a sticker, take a sticker, leave a sticker, take a sticker or something to that extent. I'm like, that's a good idea. Because like anyone that can like have their booth unattended just for a couple minutes. Like, yeah, because everyone's on the bandwagon of let's give, you know, everyone has their own sticker now. It's like, I've been doing for years.

People, people finally caught up here. I'm the, I'm the innovator. That not really, but I like to say so. But no, I did, I did really appreciate you having the give a sticker, take a sticker, because I think the one time I actually had stickers on me because that, that's the, that's the hardest part when you go to these things is you leave your damn stickers in the hotel room 90% of the time. Like, I'll go to the floor three, you know, two or three times over the weekend.

And I'm like, oh, I only have my stickers in my one time. So I got to like an effort to give stickers out at that point. Yeah. But yeah, that was, I will say that I'm very proud of that thought. I don't know why I thought of it, but I was like, this is brilliant because I got so many stickers. Oh, I imagine you got like 40 or 50 probably or at least. I think more than, I think more than that. I think I got everyone because I think everyone that had a sticker, I got it because my buddy Derek from 50 Cal Fitness,

he's going to be launching a product there this, this year, a good friend of mine. And he, his daughter walked around and got me all the stickers. So like the ones that even didn't, I probably got 15, 20 by myself, but she walked around and got even more. I was just like, she's an upright 12 or so. And she loved that gave her something to do. And she was walking around the whole thing, getting every, every sticker. And I have so many of them. I had to buy like five of those magnet packs to turn them into magnets.

I was dreading the day of cutting those magnets. But I still have probably 50 left. That's awesome. It's fun. I do love a good sticker magnet. It's definitely the way to go. She just got in some new stickers today for Home JimCon, hopefully. brief um sidetrack here home to home jim conner race i think i heard jake and uh my mike talking about

on their podcast yesterday or this morning and uh do you hear that uh what is it what's the company that just got sold now i can the the booth that was right next to bear steel i think bear steel got sold out like that was just oh did they really yeah which which i don't know because that was just a one that was like a one dude operation i thought wasn't it yeah i think so yeah and i'm pretty unless i misheard it i'm like 99% sure i heard him say that they had like they're still going to be there but someone else bought the company. Interesting. I don't,

I think they were mostly an import company that weren't they? So it's like, I think so. But I have there. I mean, it had a little bit of a brand recognition. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I have their, the Jim Reaper bar. Uh, because, because your next guest, Kurt, uh,

I'll call him out again. He never gave him my trophy from, from home drink on year, year, yeah, year two. I got second place at the, at the throwdown.

It was the first year of the throwdown. It was the first year of the throwdown. I got second place and I never got my trophy because the scores were incorrect on, um, the iron podium iron podium they were incorrect and they got switched so i i got third place which didn't actually get a trophy but he got switched and i got actually i really got second so uh yeah so the the third place guy had the trophy and they weren't gonna get i'm gonna ask him

for to ship it to you so you're well actually i do i do know him pretty well um his but uh robert foyer i think that's how you pronounce his last name i fall on a ms he's a good guy i could probably ask him for it back at this point that's funny Because he competes all the time. This dude does like, I don't know, seven or eight star men shows a year. He's an absolute monster. And I could probably ask for it back at this point.

And I kind of want to this. I'm not sure if it was him or not, but someone did ask her Instagram to ask you if you're going to, you know, take second place again this year. But we are, oh, that's funny. You're not going to be able to compete.

You're probably making the smart decision to not compete at the booth. But as far as competing. Sorry, I will be doing the deadlift off. Oh, yeah, definitely do that. And if they have a lot,

if they have a lot of stuff. There's always a log and a deadlift. The hard part with that is just like, oh, I don't want to, like, I can deadlift easier with no gear than I, like, I don't want to log without my lifters and my elbow sleeves and my wrist straps. Like, that's just, like, because then I'm, like, taking 30 pounds off what I want to do, but I can, like, for sure. For sure. And just barefoot with no belt if I have to. Yeah. But, yeah, those are always fun to participate in.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Oh, the whole point of that was, I'm sorry. I got sidetracked. But Kurt, you need to give me my trophy. Since you have a three, since you have a 3D printer. but he gave me the Jim Reaper bar as like a pretty good price it's a good trophy but because because I already have a dead that bar I didn't really need it so like I now I just have two deadlift bar

so I don't really need but it's a good bar but yeah I didn't hear about that than selling out but I'll be I'm like 99% are like maybe maybe I'm wrong I'm sorry if I'm if I'm shit no you're probably positive that's who we're talking about yeah you're probably right I haven't caught that episode yet but um but um Tom JimCon code unpaid if anyone's going go get your, you know, reserve your hotel. Someone was asking the day

about what hotel room to get. I think it was actually carp. And I'm like, carp, everyone reserved their rooms like six months ago when the block opened up because like we like to support Jake because if they,

the block doesn't fill up, Jake has to buy those rooms. So, and I think he lost tens of thousands of dollars that way last year. So everyone, do yourself help Jake out and get those rooms filled up for him

and get your tickets. Code unpaid to save you a couple bucks. Get anything, Joey? I've kind of monopolize that for a minute. I mean, like it's a complete non-sequitre. It doesn't make any sense from the conversations you just had.

But we do share something in common. You actually like black licorice. I do. I do. I love it. Yeah, me too. We're the only weirdos apparently. Yeah, I had, I'm going to hang up now.

Morgan went into the bulk barn, which again is a Canadian delicacy. And I said, hey, can you pick me up some of those anise balls? Yeah. And they're just little hard balls of black licorish. Yeah, I love them. That's great. But also tell me, I wonder if this is related. You also like spicy food. I do. And how spicy is too spicy or not spicy enough?

I'm very particular with my spicy food because it has to have flavor. I don't like the heat for heat kind of thing. Like I can't do, I can't do like if it's just hot for the sake of being hot, I can't stand it. I don't know. I like like Thai, like Thai food or like. either that kind of spice is very like actual spices not the heat spice but you know i don't know what's the i'm answering that well what's the pepper level for me it's ghost pepper like ghost pepper is about like my comfort zone anything higher i'm taking a risk okay anything lower probably probably isn't hot enough mine's probably lower ghost is probably my hot my peak that might be my peak. Yeah. Like I usually probably go lower than that. Halapino has messed me up every time. I don't

know why. They're not hot to me. They're not spicy. But I get hiccups from jalapinos in particular. Every single time. I was saying that today. Like you can have you can have a jalapeno that is not hot. And you can eat 12 of them. And then you get one jalapeno that just does you in for the day. Yeah. For me, they mess up my stomach more than anything else. So like I don't really enjoy jalapeno stuff. Yeah, I don't either. Usually if somebody goes, oh, this is ghost pepper sauce. I'm like, okay, I'm in. like I'll try it. And then it's like, oh, it's Reaper Pepper. I'm like, I'll tread, I'll tread carefully.

I feel like Ghost Pepper has a good flavor too. It does. Reaper doesn't really, it's, that's kind of in that category of just heat for the sake of being hot. Yeah. And that I don't like that. I don't like that. I also, I think people like to brag about Reaper. Yeah.

That makes sense where they're just like, sounds cool. Yeah, I can handle a Reaper. And I'm like, why? Why would you do that to yourself? Do you enjoy it, though? Yeah. answer is always now. If it's like, I think I have one that's like Reaper Bourbon. And like, that's okay. Like I'll put that on some chicken. But when they're straight up like, this is just Reaper pepper sauce.

I'm like, that's so stupid. Don't do that to yourself. And then I'll eat it. I won't sweat. I won't even break a sweat. Like, I won't even flinch. But I'll look at them and go, why would you do this to yourself on purpose? Yeah. Yeah. I don't like that. Yeah. So I wonder, I wonder if there's like a similarity between the black licorish likers and the heat likers. So it might be. I guess crew will love us now. Yeah. I'm sure they'll tell me.

My brother is much more of a hot sauce connoisseur than I am. And I don't think he likes black licorish. Interesting. I don't know. I love it. Like good at plenty is like my go-to just like crappy candy. It's not even good black licorish. Like it's like good quality of black licor like the Australian stuff or whatever is much better.

But even just a good bloody kid at like Walmart. part. It's just... Well, they, the good and plenlies, somebody sent me, I think it was a big Nate. He sent me a package of the good and plenny's. And they had, we have them up here. They're called goodies where they're just coated black licorish. They're good. Yeah.

Right? But they're not. It's not good. Yeah. If you get a good black licorish, it's just like, yeah. Have you ever eaten raw black licorice root? I don't think so, no. No, there is a company in the States.

I keep getting their reels. what they just they will ship you and it's completely edible interesting okay yeah and now like i want to try it yeah i want to too i definitely haven't i've done like licor like licorickricks drinks that have that licorice root as like the base of it those are i like those i like uh what's the uh i'm not a huge drinker but like sambuca you've ever had that i think it's a russian liquor yeah the white zambuka right yes yeah white yeah it's fantastic i love it it is interesting interesting now I want to seek out the black licorice root because...

Yeah, I'm going to have to look that up. And red licorice is not real licorice, right? It's just... No, it's not licorice. It's candy. It's dirty wax. Yeah, it's candy crap.

Yeah. All right. Who used to be a proper country? It was only black with it. Well, speaking of that, who did you have a better luck kind of serenade and Taylor Swift or Massonomics? You know, I heard you wrote a song for both of them.

Oh, boy, that sucks. I had, I had much, much more luck with massonomics. although it was it was I still think that was a very clever song so if anyone wants to look it up it's probably on YouTube I might have made it if it's unlisted I'll on the I'll relist it but it's called it's called you belong with me to T.O and this was back in the day when like you belong with me was like her big hit so it was like when she was country before she became like a weirdo yeah back when we used to be a proper country and exactly exactly I have a big Taylor Swift fan when she was a country singer but yeah up until red I think red was

a fantastic album and then everything after that was just like weird i forget the gentleman's name where they toured where he has a big swifty uh but i completely agree with him i forget what member that was but he had a big taylor swift flag and up to red says says says neys yes yeah yep yeah up to red many at swifty fan but says he's of course his gym yeah red was it red was a great her great last album everything but everything after that to me is garbage but um yeah the the song was very clever um still very proud of the lyrics because basically it goes through every one of her boyfriends at the time. And it says something about them.

Like it said something along the lines of like, um, I didn't star in Darnie Darko, but I wrote you this tune. So you would know you belong with me too because Donnie Darko is, uh, Jake Gyllenhaal. So it was references to those.

So it actually popped off. It popped off a little bit in the swiftly world like back. I was like tweeting it out on Twitter like all the time before it was X. This is like probably 2012 or 13. Yeah. Your mom said you were constantly posting it to Facebook to hope you did the reaction from her. I was trying. It didn't happen.

Did you have your long hair during that time? I did not. No, I was in the Army other time. So I was, I was lean. How old are you, are you in your early 30s?

Right on 30s? I just turned 34. 34 on January 14th. On par with a lot of us. So it's always, it's always good. Like, we've had some guests on here that have been in the early 20s.

We've had some that are in their late, mid to late 50s. Yeah. Baseline on there. And as far as the massonomics song, was that you don't seem like someone that would use AI for lyrics. And you said you were making the movie with the AI for like the video. But as far as lyrics, is that all out of you, you know, out of the ether? That's all out of the old dome.

So basically I thought it would be a clever. I mean, there's so much content when you think. So in general, I genuinely, it's a funny thing to say we used to be proper freaking country. But I genuinely believe that a lot of times. So, like, I resonate with that statement a lot. Like, obviously, they take it to the extreme about, like, you know, host water, which is definitely the preferred method of water. But in a lot of cases, I'm just like, God, things used to be so much less complicated.

You know, I like, I wish. If it wasn't for the business, I probably wouldn't have Instagram. I don't like social media, but I have to do it for the business. But I'm also, like, sucked into it, too. So it's like a weird thing. But it was so much easier when it was a flip phone. Like, when we used to be a proper freaking country, and you could only play snake on your phone.

And I remember those days vividly. I got my first smartphone when I was like 20 or something. So like I went 20 years without it and I kind of missed it. And then when I was actually in Afghanistan, I didn't have a phone for a year. And that was amazing. I loved it. But as a general thing,

I agree with the sentiment of we used to be a proper freaking country. So it was easy to find the lyrics. So I just went through the podcast. I did use Google and I basically Google searched the podcast transcripts. And I typed in. I just controlled F'd proper country or proper whatever and it would pop up all the all the words. So I took all the bits that I liked and made them into lyrics. So everything in the song was mentioned on the podcast.

There's a bunch of stuff that I can make four or five more verses very easily. I actually speaking of underwear, we were talking about underwear earlier. I wanted to put the underwear bit about Tommy was talking about how he used to buy a pack of Haynes. It used to be reliable underwear. And then it wasn't one day like I want out. Crap, so now I used to buy really expensive underwear. Yeah, I wanted to put that in there at one point. It just didn't fit.

Like, I can make 10 more verses and make like a 10-minute-long song, maybe one day. So my experience with the song, I might be, I don't want to offend you, but I do got to share my honesty. Like, I love the acoustic version. I don't dislike the Spotify version. Yeah. But it's, I like the acoustic, like, significantly might be harsh, but like much better. Like, if I'm going to listen to one, like, that's just the one that I did.

part of it is like this like I mean the song's been out for a month so to say nostalgia might not be the right word but like it's the first one that I listen to and like that's that's the rhythm like that's the jam that I got into so then oh for sure yeah the slightly more refined one it's just kind of like I like the other because I already downloaded it like it's on my device and then my it's uploaded to Spotify on my device so I can just play that on Spotify and it's just so basically that's that's the pinnacle the apex stuff that we used to be a proper freaking country when when we used to be a proper freaking country when when we used to be a proper freaking country when when we used to be a proper freaking country was only acoustic. Yeah. I actually, I was going to say the same thing. Like, it fits the vibe of the song. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a full circle right there. That's perfect. Yeah. Is there, is there an opportunity you might release an acoustic version? Yeah, I could,

I could do that very easily. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, absolutely. I could definitely do that. And I do,

like I said earlier for my girls. My girls, again, that's the only song they like of mine, which is very offensive. Because I spent, I spent a lot of time writing other songs that are very meaningful to me that are not

like silly use songs. But they're also like three and four. Of course. Of course. Yeah. Comprehension of meaningful lyrics is And that course is just, just catchy. It is catchy. I had Saga in earlier and she was

like I know she was kind of quiet, but she was, we've had her here before and she was a talkative little monster, but for some reason meeting you, she was terrified, but it's because she knows you because she's seen you on the TV and she's heard your voice and she sang along with you. That's funny.

Because that that chorus is pure catchy. Yeah. I will counter Keith a little bit. I actually really like the Spotify and Apple music version. Thank you. Especially the yeah buddy at the end thrown in. Yeah. My little girl will yell yeah buddy at the end of every one of your songs.

I love that. And let's not miss out on all of the stuff you added. to the album cover. Yeah. You've got Keith in there. You've got Tanner in there. You've got Tommy in there. You've got Ronnie Coleman in there.

I think you got a Jay Cutler at some point. No, Jay Cutler wasn't in there. It was, I did have, um, uh, Casas is in there.

Thank you. Okay. He's holding. He's holding the stone. Yeah. And then, uh, the twins of course.

Of course. Are in there. And then I threw my, yeah, the twins. Uh, I had to throw myself in there. But it's only because I had a picture with Gino.

So I actually met Gino. I was in New York for my mom's 60th birthday. She always wanted to go to New York City for her. She's a New Year's baby. So she wanted to go to New York for a birthday. She's never done it. So for her 60th, my brother happened to live in Jersey City at the time. And then we flew her up there and we did that.

And we were leaving Jersey airport, Newark or whatever it's called. And Gina was there. I was like, hey, Gina, what's up? He was in his full attire and everything. So that's on there in the picture. of me and Gino and then there's something probably missing something but oh yeah the and then Fitzgerald

S&M Fitzgerald who's in there and that's in the belt buckle and you can zoom in and you can see it especially on the flag that I gave the Tommy and Tanner that's on there missing something oh yeah the the guy from Disturbed I don't know his name that's it yeah he's on there I think that's it

probably missing something but yeah yeah yeah it leaves yep got to do it very good Keith we are running a little long

do you want to go into some games my friend yeah yeah so we'll keep it we'll keep it PG 13 so FMK we don't have to elaborate on what that is it's yeah what was the other one was like slap Mary tickle or something yeah you get confusing because I'm going to

keep explaining what it was so I'm gonna yeah throw Nate a bone on this one he submitted one for you so we're gonna go guitar It's our brands, manufacturers, if you will. I'm not, you're about the pronunciation of the last one, but the first two are easy. So Fender, Gibson, and then we're looking at G-R-E-S-T-C-H, Gresh. Gresh.

Gresh. Gretch? Gretch. Gretch. Gretch. Gretch. Yeah, her. F-M-K.

F-M-K. Ah, geez. I don't actually, I have a Fender, and I have a Gibson. I don't have a Gretch. I don't play Gretcher a whole lot. Gretches are more for, like, Rockabilly, jazz-ish. They do a lot of hollow body stuff, if that means anything to anyone. But I guess I'd probably marry, let's do Mary Fender,

just because they have the Stratt and the telly are classic iconic guitars that I have multiple on my wall that I'm looking at right now. We'll definitely kill the Gratch because I don't really care for that. It's stuff. And then we'll F around with the Gipsons because Gibson's got the Explorer. They got the iconic Gibson Explorer that James had filled for Metallica Blade for years. Les Paul, let's slash every, every, you know, Jimmy Page plays less Pauls. I could, I could F with those.

Who doesn't play a less Paul? I don't know. I mean, I have the ace freely less Paul than I made. Yeah, they're great. So, yeah, let's do. I feel good about those. I definitely want to live with the Fender. To, to elaborate on you, you saw the guitar wall in front of you.

So I'm curious. He sounds like you have a man that owns many guitars. Do you have more guitars or barbells? Oh, guitars for sure. Oh, wow. That's a lot of guitars. Let me see this. I don't know if I could do this.

Oh, nope. It tracks my face. Nope. No, it's all good. It's all right. But yeah, I got a thing I have 15 or so on the wall right now. And then there's two or three on stands. Oh, you know what?

I actually regularly used or a couple of them just sentimental like airlooms or anything. Yeah, there's some more sentimental stuff than anything. Let's see if I could do this. I might be able to do this. Oh, yeah. Look at this. Oh, yeah. Oh, there it is.

So these three. you can't really see the white there's blue there's another one those are like my main players that's a strat that I made let's see if I could turn it this way that's a less poll that I made so a couple of them are yeah that's about as far as it goes but we're good let's see if I get my presets here we go

this camera's pretty cool never used that feature there we go but anyways learn something yeah we're getting you ready for this YouTube you're about to absolutely up here in the next couple weeks yeah I got a bunch of acoustics over here I really play one downtown like when I played downtown. I don't play downtown a whole lot anymore just because I want to be home in my family.

So I've got one's really sentimental as my grandfather's. He gave it to me. Another one's one's sentimental one for my grandpa. Um, a couple of one of them is literally just, it looks cool. It's the Buck Owens like sparkle red, white, and blue guitar. It was, I just wanted it. And then I really just play these, these five right here as my main players, but they all do different things. That's the thing with that you could justify with your wife. Same with barbells. Exactly. I have 24 barbells. It's the same. Yeah, it's the same with barbells.

Like I could justify, oh, I have this one set up in this tuning or I have this one set up for this song, whatever. They all sound slightly different. So it's that justification I tell myself to buy more. My brother and one of my best friends had a rainmaker. And I think that was the best sounding acoustic guitar I've ever heard. Yeah, those are good. Those are really good. It's always hit or miss with acoustics.

Well, guitars in general. there's, there's bad Gibson's. Like, there are Gibson's that don't sound great. And there are offenders that sound terrible. But like, there's a tier in guitars, kind of with barbells. Like, you get the $300 barbells. It's going to do the job. It'll work.

But then you get, like, in that $500, $600 range, you're going to get the best stuff. And then once you go over a certain price, you're not getting much more, like, the Aleco, whatever. You're paying for the brand name or the IPF red sticker at some point. But, like, with guitars, it's kind of the same way. These ones are way more expensive. These are, like, in the couple thousand dollar range. range. And I have a few that are in like five, six, seven hundred dollar range. And then I have a couple

acoustics or a couple grand or whatever. But I've played them. I've made my money back from them. So that's how I kind of justify that as well. I've I've played guitar for a living. So I make money off of them and they've paid for themselves time and time again. Whereas barbells have definitely not done that. Although I could argue, I can't argue that I wouldn't have Roermann's strength as a business if I didn't have a home gym. So it's very justifiable to say that too. So I'm going to keep up the guitar talk. Yeah. The guitar talk. And I want to know that your Mount Rushmore of metal guitarists. Ooh, okay. John Petrucci for sure is number one. That's actually what these three guitars are. Those are his

signature models. I have three of the same guitar. One to seven string and two or six string models. So he's from Dream Theater If no one knows who that is It's a progressive metal band Fantastic Prime of my favorite band of all time I've seen him 12 tires I think I've seen John Petrucci

I've seen Dream Theater Seven or eight times I've seen Petrucchi Three or four As a solo artist So I love the dude But then there's another guy named West Hawk

Or Wes Hatch, I can't Never pronounce the name He's fantastic He's from a band called Aluvial but he also played in a band called the Faseless rather. He's more of a death metal player, but he's just

insanely good. He's probably number two. He's kind of a lesser known person, so most people probably won't know who that is, but absolutely just take my word for it. He's amazing. Three and four. Metal guitar players. This is harder than I thought.

I ain't prepared for this one. For the sake of brevity, we'll go with Jeff Loomis, who is in a band called Nevermore. He is an absolute shredder. And then we'll go with Brandon Ellis from Black Dahlia Murder.

He's no longer with a Black Dahlia murder, but he's very, very good, very underrated, very underrated. But there's, yeah, we'll go with those. There's definitely some movement in those. You can be there? No, Zach Wild, love. Oh, no, no. He's, he's awesome. He is awesome. But like, all these guys are, are like, absolutely just shredders. Like, play circles around him. And, like, Zach is, is in his own right, an amazing player. And he's done more for the, the genre of rock and metal than those guys have. But those guys are, like, niche, like, players, players. If that makes sense. Yeah, it does, actually. Yeah. Hi.

want to say hi. no yeah see there we go yeah same thing that's that's what his daughter did this is regan i regan the love of my life she can't hear me you close the door please thank you i love you i want to get a couple funny at least i'll we're gonna wrap up here in a bit but i was a couple of funny stories that were submitted one of them uh is there so it specifically says there's a whole Rory story is hilarious.

Is there a funny, it was one of your buddies from the military. I don't, it was shoehorned in on a different thing. So I don't know. It was one of, one of the many times of being together in Savannah, Georgia,

he was so sossed that he was wandering down the wrong hall slash floor of the hotel room until all, we had to help him find his room. And then it follows also the whole Rory story is hilarious. So I don't know. I don't know that. Or it's hard to, it's hard to.

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's in text. So like, yeah. There was a, your mom's, did you ever, I don't want to put you. Your mom said that you're fine. Your mom specifically, when you're about five years old, you, you, you know, speaking of underwear, she said you borrowed, you, you know where I'm going. Yes.

My grandfather's ties. Yeah. My grandfather's ties. I made them into basically, uh, sumo underwear, whatever you, call that. Yeah. Oh, no. I would tie it and, you know, that's probably,

probably not cover everything. But yeah, definitely did that as a kid. I would sue more wrestle with my grandfather's ties. He probably didn't want to wear them after that. I did that yesterday. So like, you can't be told me. Yeah.

I'm not. Fully own it. Yeah, I'll ask, all that's about the person about that. Yeah. dressing up like commandos while traveling on the team's military bus in Afghanistan.

Oh, yeah. That's a good one. So we had a bus in Afghanistan, the band did my unit. And we were small, eight people deployed with. And we fell under a bigger company, whatever. But my people were like eight or so. And we had our own bus. And we had all this stuff.

And basically I found these vests, these bulletproof vests that didn't have the plate carrier. It was just a plate carry, basically. And I found them in the trash can because they just throw stuff away over there, just need this government spending. And I picked one up and I would wear that outside. And I got this beanie that I found online that had the beanie had a beard built into it. So it was like, it's so boring.

So I would have that. I would take off my top. So it was just like the tan t-shirt and the vest. And I would basically roll. I would jump out of the bus while it was rolling. And I would do like a commando roll. And I would have the rifle with it the whole time. I'd be like, you know, just doing stupid stuff.

So that's fun times. Keep yourself occupied, right? I was 21 over there. So I turned 21. Yeah, I turned 21 on the day that I left for Afghanistan. So that's fun. All right. Well, FMK is a, or no, no, we did FMK.

We did. We have this other game we like to play called Unpaid or Interrated. It's a somewhat original game that we didn't steal from anybody. We're going to give you up to six, six to eight handpick topics specifically for you. You have to get your druthers. unlike least fun, most fun, we're only looking for one distinct answer and you cannot ride the line.

So underrated being pretty awesome and unpaid, not so great because no one wants to be unpaid. So I'm going to hit you with a few. Let's go affiliate links. Or affiliate codes or however. Unpaid or underrated. So unpaid being bad and

underrated being good. Unpaid. Yeah, just dealing with the people in general and like people do you get you get solicited regular you have to get so many people sliding into your DMs asking for that you know get that 20% off so they can get their 10% and then you have to give the customer 10% and then you're just yeah all this money and it's like you didn't yeah definitely definitely unpaid it's to me like we were talking about before I like when a company so affiliate means like you're affiliated with a company so you should stand behind the product so people that are just like push their affiliate links versus pushing the product it just It's just not what I like. So I actually have one affiliate. And I really like the guy. He doesn't necessarily say the best things about my product all the time.

But I really liked him as a person. We agree morally on a lot of things. And that's kind of all it was. But like the affiliate program was just kind of, it was kind of weird for me. I noticed a lot of things in the, in that world like where people were just getting. I'd see the discount codes coming through from that person,

even though that person never mentioned my product necessarily. So it's like, I know they're just getting the discount code because they're clicking a link, not because that person's actually affiliating with my company, which is just weird for me. And I'm giving away 20% of a company basically for nothing. So it was, I've had bad, bad luck with affiliates. But that's just my take, but probably getting some trouble for that. No, I mean, it's small businesses is hard to avoid 20%. I mean, 10%?

Yeah. Like 10, 10%, and it's just 5 and 5. But then it's like, no one's going to push your. product hard for 5%. So it's kind of like, but it's for selling anyway, it's kind of, yeah. I feel bad sometimes when I take 10% when Kim gives us 10% from Barbell Rescue and he gives the customer 10%. So he's like, yeah, it's a lot, which has got to be most of his profit margin or at least a portion of it. So it's a lot. Yeah. That's a lot. Yeah. That's the thing a lot

of people don't, I don't think a lot of you understand that. It's like you're giving, you're giving 10% to a person to push a link and then you're 10% to the customer. That's 20% of a company. If it's a hundred dollar product, you're in the margin, let's say your margin is 50%, you're making 50 bucks. You're giving away 20 of that. You're making 30%. You're making 30 bucks on a $100. It adds up really quickly.

So it makes sense for people like Rep and Rogue and stuff like that to have a lot of affiliates. But again, I just like the way that, like let's say massonomics, for instance, like everyone knows they use Texas power bars and strength. They push them because they like them and they actually believe in the product. It's becoming a running joke, you know, the easy to grip black powder coat or not, you know, the, clear whatever the e-coded yeah all that whole thing is kind of become a joke but but it's because they actually stay by the product so like i like that there's not a not everyone does that this is my thing so no like we said at the beginning of the episode there's nothing i push that i don't use right like me having a a barefoot shoes one makes sense because i have pushing barefoot shoes

for the past three years and that was before i had a code yeah and i was telling everybody like these are the best thing you can wear and they've reached out to me and they were like, you don't have a code yet? And I'm like, well, I don't really need one. But like if it helps people get into your product, there's even some codes where like I don't want money. Yeah.

Just if I say I like something and somebody buys it because I said I'd like it, give them something. I don't need anything from it. And I, you know, obsidian ammonia is a really good example. I don't always make a commission when you use unpaid. But it tells them you came because of me. Exactly. And for me, that connection with Travis is almost more important than any commission I would get. Yeah. And that's why, I mean, that's why the way that Tommy and Tanner do it, they've, they've created, like in my little

spiel, I got to, you know, poke fun of them, but that's the whole point of this. But like, they, I mean, the whole, the whole thing is they, they have truly created a community, a true community where people, where if Tommy and Tanner say something that is good, the community is going to believe them and believe that. So their affiliation with a brand or business is much different than Joe Schmo reviewer that just wants a free product and they're going to sell it on a Facebook marketplace five days after the review and make their money and then to get the ability code because they don't really care about the product. And that's not to say, it's not shade on the reviewers in general, but like it's just the way that we have friends that do that. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I

I know. But it's, Hey, Carp. How you don't buddy? But it's, it's, it's, it's become, it's become like, that's the way the way the system goes. Because Carp has a two, a two car garage where his wife parks. He can't keep everything.

No, no. I was just busting his chops. No, no, absolutely. He deserves it. No. He does. He does. Yeah.

He puts a lot of effort in his video. So we appreciate everyone. I mean, Massanomics, Tango Charlie affiliate coming soon. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're there, they're, they're brick and mortar with the arm. booth. They talk about it more than anything else. So the horse saw mat one,

the tractor supply, that's brilliant. It really is. And I was like that makes sense. Only applied to horse stall mats. Yeah. That would be genuinely funny. Yeah.

And that's how an affiliate to me should work. Yes. The affiliation with tractor supply and then is the perfect example of how all affiliate links should work in my humble opinion. But no one cares about my opinion. All right. Unpaid. underrated basic tap water, plain unflavored water.

Definitely unpaid. Disgusting. Boo, boo. Trash. That's hard. So you just drink a lot of soda or are you always doing some sparkling or you doing like meo or something? I do.

I have to have some flavor. Yeah. So I used to do, I used to do aminos because I could get them really cheap from Redcon. They were like 10 bucks for a serving of 30. And they stopped selling aminos entirely. There's no amino acid thing. So I usually use,

a little creeper over here that'll, I usually use at Mio, I got like, I actually got a bunch of free Mio. Like, what's the cases of? Lever choices on that. Oh, wow. It was pink. It's going to be so inspired by the time you get to it. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It was his affiliate code

that got them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I also have a bunch of, I also have a bunch of prime hydration sticks that I got from the Army. Do you have those? They were, they were supposed to go on deployment and they never made it on the bird. So I literally have thousands. thousands of prime energy or prime hydration sticks uh blue raspberry so i do that or of course it's blue raspberry of course it has to be yes you know and then uh other than that though that's that's pretty good that's a

that's a good deal like it's it's an insane it's an insane it's an insane deal they're 20 bucks for a pack of six it's insane i have to do uh we do liquid ivs from from cost 20 bucks for a pack of six it's insane at like gnc or something you get them for like 10 or 15 but yeah it's insane We used to get 30 packs from Costco for 1999 Canadian. Yeah, that's insane. I sold off boxes because the box comes in, it comes in, there's 12 boxes in the box. And each box, each individual box had six sticks. Those are the bonuses that you give the to the year on people that spend $150 for shipping, right?

Yeah. That's, that's the goodies you give them. I did before they expired. They expired in August. I sell drinking because I, the expiration dates are a myth. But yeah, but I did. It's salt. How fast can they can expire?

Exactly. Yeah, it's been on the earth for, for centuries. But other than that, Kirkland, Kirkland water, like the sparkling water, the colored flavored stuff. I drink that too. But plain water, plain water is disgusting, especially warm. All right. My last one here for you. Unpaid or underrated.

And there should be a funny story with this. So elaborate as much as you can. The word, Nat. oh boy yeah yeah my wife she she got me good she got me good uh i never i never claimed to be a good i'm not bad but i never claimed to be a good one and i forget what what it was but there's a situation where like she said something along the lines of like oh yeah i spell nat or whatever like i'm not an idiot it's uh g or a k nat and of course it's a it's a g uh but i of course framed it as like I'm not an idiot I know I spelled it but I spelled it wrong so I

spelled it with a K it's a G and I should know that because I was stationed near Savannah and the Savannah baseball team is a Savannah Nats so I had shirts I literally had I had multiple shirts with the NAT and I I don't know so yeah I but to answer and I I wouldn't have spelled it with a G or a K I would have just spelled it in AT but no I've learned something new that it's yeah it's You're always learning something new. It's a stupid word. It's a stupid word. It's a stupid animal.

It's a bug, whatever. Yeah. We heard you're not a bug guy. You know, we kicked off the episode with he's not a bug guy. Yeah, right. I'm glad that I finished off that.

So yeah, Nats. Oh, to answer your question, though, definitely unpaid. Nice. I got your three unpaid.

That sounds like. All right. What you got for him, Joey? All right. Unpaid or underrated, Ronnie Coleman. Oh,

underrated. Piece of goat. He's a goat. I had my, I had my Arnold bag out at work today and they were like, look at how jacked he is. Because it was like from back in the day. And then I was like, yeah, I was like third best in the world. And they were like, huh? And I'm like, well, Arnie was the best until Jay Cutler.

And then Jay Collar was the best. And then Ronnie Coleman is the best of all time. And they were like, we don't know who that is. Yep. Yeah. So I had a few minutes of explaining, yeah, buddy. Technically, technically Jay Cutler beat Ronnie. but the timeline is a little weird,

but no one would argue that J. color is better than Ronnie. There's no one in the history of the world. They would argue that. Not like peak to peak. No, I mean, he placed,

so I still follow bodybuilding, even though I never competed in it. But like he plays dead last in his first Olympia. And then like a year or two later, I forget exactly what it was, but he went on to win it. Like, insane.

Like, if you look at him natural and he has no reason to lie about him being natural. He was an absolute freak natural. and I have a little bit of the history with with Ronnie I actually trained at his his gym in Arlington um uh what I'm drawn to blank on the name of it but someone will know but his his gym where he did all of his Olympia preps I can't think of what it's called I have the hat in a shirt and I either way it's it's like the most disgusting gym on the planet it's not even just dirty and like rusty it's it's got broken glass on it like the mirrors the

mirrors fell off. They broke and they shattered and they're just like push to the corner. That lives there now. Oh yeah. Yeah. I was there like last year and it's still like that. And I actually ran into there's a there's a upcoming bodybuilder that I think he plays he's won a bunch. He's a course I'm drawn to Blake in his name now. But he's he plays like third or fourth. He's going to be the Arnold Classic. He's probably going to place top three in the Arnold Classic. I can't think of his name right now. I don't know why. But I met him there. And but the owner was really cool. So they had these, like just change plates all over the floor. Just plates are here and there, rest and whatever.

And I found this little two and a half pound plater is one in a quarter is a weird increment. And I found it on the floor. And it was a Samson plate, the brand Samson. And I was like, I just want this as a momentum. I was just asked the owner, Brian was there. And I was like, hey, man, there's a weird question. But can I buy this plate off you? I'll give you like 20, 30 bucks for it or whatever.

That's one of a piece of history from that gym. He's like, I'd just have it. I'm like, okay. He's like, no one's lifting that here anyway. So I was like, it was like a one and a quarter pound plate. I'm like, of course. But just to think that it came from Ronnie's gym, he signed it. He said, you know, he said, yeah, buddy, God bless.

And he signed Brian. That's on the wall in the gym. And that was pretty cool because without people don't necessarily know this, but without him, we wouldn't have Ronnie Coleman. Ronnie Coleman was discovered by him because he went into his gym when he was a police officer, when Ronnie Holman was a police officer. and he was just jacked out of his mind and Brian discovered him and said,

listen to you have to compete in bodybuilding. Like you're a freak. You're going to do well. And Ronnie, the story goes is Ronnie was basically like, if you give me a free gym membership, I'll all compete. And so he did.

Brian basically got Ronnie Coleman into bodybuilding. So without Brian, we wouldn't have Ronnie Coleman and the yeah buddy at the end of we used to be a proper freaking country. So all those memeable, quotable things that he said we wouldn't have that without Brian. and I got his signature on a on a little changeplate so it's pretty cool. And the gym was MetroFlex.

Metro flex, thank you. Yes. In Arlington, Texas. It took a little, it took a little minute because I was like, Ronnie Coleman, Jim. And like, it didn't come up. So I was like running. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's, I just really like the nobody's going to, nobody's going to use that. The one is that family. Like, look where you are. Nobody's going to use that. Yeah. That's funny. Yeah.

They're on the ground for like under the heels or for like deadlifts. That's what they're there for. Yeah. Unpaid or underrated nickelback? Unpaid. Hmm. They're bold. It is.

And I don't even, I'm not a huge fan necessarily, but I think they just get on. I think they get hate for no reason. Well, I guess there's a good reason. I'm running the line. Unpaid is bad.

Do you mean underrated? Yeah. You like them or? Oh, I guess. Okay. No, I meant underrated, I guess. Okay. Yeah.

Just, I think what they did for the genre. Again, I'm not a fan and I didn't like Scott Kroger. Scott Kroger. Chad. Chad Kroger. I was combining Creed. Scott Scott.

Yeah. That would be awesome. Scott Kroger would be great. That'd be a great band. No, I think they're, I think they're probably underrated. They get, they get too much hate. Kind of like Creed did. They, Creed got a lot of hate when honestly, I would say Creed for sure is, is unpaid.

They're definitely underrated. But, or it's, yeah, underrated, sorry. I'm getting the things confused. What's up there? Grant's, can't get the name of the podcast, right? So you're not the only. But they have a lot of good stuff.

But the one thing that turned me off to take it go back was they had a, they had an episode with, they had an episode or a, of write up in a magazine where basically he's straight up said, like, I'm going to make the second album sound exactly the same as the first one. Because the first album sold so well. And like,

as a musician, I was like, I get it. But that's also like a really douchy thing to say. But yeah, he's, he's pretty famous for that. they they had their and i don't even know if this is this is common knowledge that first album

um wasn't really that big there was a song on it called leader of men and leader of men was so different i remember when it came out i was a nickel back fan when leader of men came out i was in and i was like this is the best and then how you remind me came out and then i was like this is trash. This is this is pop rock garbage. Yeah. And then photograph came out and I hated them even more. Yeah. Yeah. But like I still tell people, listen to side of a bullet. Listen to the new song, San Quentin. Listen to those like really metal songs. They're they're a metal band like in a lot of ways. Have you heard have you heard the Metallica cover? They did a Metallica cover. Like it's a live video. It's amazing. They did they they do it better than

Metallica. He was friends with Dimebag. They eventually became friends with Zach Wild. Yeah. And it's because like they are a metal band disguised as a pop band. Yes. And when they want to do metal, they really can like animals is a metal song. Yeah. Oh yeah. But they learned that selling the crap Yeah. Made them more money. Which kind of to the affiliate link point like he got to play the game a little bit. You got to make

money and they're a successful they're a successful band that not a lot of people could say that they have that kind of success so and then they would hide hide metal in between the crap yeah so like find the in between and there's a lot of people does not suck yeah and there's a lot of people that do that that that i appreciate the side of things that they probably brought a lot of people to actual metal like nickel back it's a metal band disguises pop but they probably did bring a lot of people to that kind of like the same way lincoln bark bridge that gap between like hip hop and stuff into metal. People started listening. I remember listening to Lincoln Park that first album when it was on the radio is one of the first band that I've ever heard scream. And of course,

you know, Slayer and their metal, their actual metal bands that were around before that, but they're never on the radio. So you get, you get Lincoln Park and there's screen, like a legit, you know, metal style scream. When he starts doing the shot up, shut up, I'm talking to you. Exactly. Yeah. That is, that's metal. That's straight at metal. And that got me into heavier bands. And that, that's why I was in a band that ended up playing. with Cannibal Corpse. And it probably wouldn't have happened. I probably wouldn't play with Cannibal Corpse in these bigger bands I did have the

opportunity to play with back in the day if it weren't four bands like Lincoln Park that kind of bridged that gap from, you know, that poppy or world to actual metal. I've talked about it before a little bit. And in somebody who is, I don't think I've had anybody who is quite into music as you. Do you think that there is that like threshold? It's like the hot sauce. Let's talk about the hot sauce thing, right, too. like the same idea is you get into it and then suddenly becomes not enough and not enough.

And like you start with Lincoln Park and then you end up on Lorna Shore. And now you're just listening to this like what I call brick vocals. Do you know brick vocals? Yeah. It sounds like just two bricks rubbing together. And you're like, this is the best. Yeah. Yeah.

No. That's why I have three petruchies. So like my first one of my first, my first real guitar, I have it's sitting there on never sell it. It's the Ace Freely signature, Les Paul. It's the Epiphone version, of course, because the Gibson version would be seven grand, especially now they just died. Rest and Peace, Ace would be like 50 grand. But regardless, that was my first real guitar. It was like 700 bucks in 2005 or whatever. And Ace Freely was like my guitar hero. It's like a straight up 70s rock band. Everyone knows Kiss. You know, nothing heavy about them necessarily,

other than their makeup, I guess. But that that got heavier and heavier. And the more I got supposed to, you know, let's say Kiss turned into 80s hair metal. Then I started hearing the actual guitar playing from like Jakey Lee or like Randy Rhodes in Ozzie. And then that turned into Metallica. Metallica turned into some Pantera here and there. Pantera turned into whatever here. And then then I found in Dream Theater, which is why I have three music man Petruchis.

And then I'm like, oh, that's kind of the pinnacle. And even now there's people that outplay Petruchy all over the world that like from a technicality sample are better than him. But I still put Petrucci as number one on Mount Rushmore because he's also written a lot of songs that are amazing. His composing is top notch and he's just done a lot for music. But yeah, it's definitely a little here and there. And then it's like heavier and heavier.

And like I kind of stopped when it came to like strictly death metal. Like my band would open for, we opened for Cannibal Corpse at one point in Tampa. And we did not fit the bill. We were heavy. We had a death metal vocals. but we were more melodic progressive metal. And we just happen to know people in, which kind of got us that foot in the door.

But I don't personally listen to Campbell Corpse. I respect that they did for death metal. But that's almost like too heavy for me. I need some melody and some melodicism and, you know, some things like that. But it's definitely a little here, then a little here, and then a little heavier and a little heavier.

And yeah, it's a whole rabbit hole. And now suddenly you're listening to stuff where your friends are looking at you like, these aren't, this is construction noise. Yeah. And you're like, no, it's not really pay attention, like really listen to it. Yep. Oh, yeah. I guess I have one more, unpaid or underrated, stevia. Oh, definitely underrated. So, yeah, yeah. I drink a lot of

artificial sweeteners, probably way more than I should. If it causes cancer, I'm definitely going to get cancer from it, which I mean, I've already down to two of these. And if I didn't want to get up from my chair, I'd have a, I'd have a third. But I drink, I drink a lot of liquids. the day I just do whether it's you know my sparkling water from Kirkland from Costco or I'll have a mountain dude I don't really drink soda I don't like dark soda like coke or die

cocker comes here I know Tanner's a I never heard of dark soda but I can know what you I was like yeah like darker sodas soda I guess yeah yeah I just don't like them they feel weird of my teeth and I just don't like them so if if I drink something it's something that's like a clearer base but stevia I can't

across i think the brand is zevia the drinks it's like it's a zepia based soda which i like that i like clear beverages which my energy drink of choice would be like ghost which is not flavored with stevia or stevia however you want to say it but i like that it's clear i like that there's no artificial colors and i try to be as healthy as possible when it comes to that because i have consumed so much sucralose and aspartame in my life that i'm trying to reverse that a little bit and be a little more health conscious. I eat healthy as it is, but that's my one thing where this could be a sweet to me after a meal. Like I have a sweet tooth for sure, but this would suffice for me as a sweet tooth in a lot of ways. If I'm like trying to watch on a meeting, I have to have something sweet after

meal and it's like something with sucralose or stevia is where it's at. We had a big viral trend up here, which is the maple Pepsi. So Pepsi made not heard of that. Yeah. And I'll tell you, Surrup sweetened. It took me two days to drink. Really? Really? Yeah. Like it's that much.

Yeah. I'll down a ghost in three minutes. Yeah. But this stuff took me two days to drink a 500 milliliter bottle. That's insane. Yeah. And I was up so late because of it last night. I was miserable this morning.

Yeah. Because I was up so late. Yeah. Big fan of artificial. sweeteners. Yeah, if I'm going to get cancer, I'm going to get it through energy drinks. Let's go. Yep, I agree.

A little side note on that for anyone that does think that sucralose, I'm not one of those guys that think superlos is going to cause you cancer. There's been a lot of studies just to get serious goose for a second. You would have to drink like, they did a study in rats, of course, or mice. You'd have to drink like 45 of these a day, every day for like 50 years to potentially see some kind of change. So that's the level you're talking about. Like you're not talking about,

you can have a 12-pack of diet, Coca-a-day, and that sucralose level is not going to do a lot for you. But there are studies that show that it does stuff to your gut microbiome. And I eat Greek yogurt every day anyway. So, like, my probiotics are probably fine. But just as a cautionary thing, I'm just like, if it does cause it,

I'm not going to try to exacerbate that. So if they have a Zevia version, or a stevia version, rather, I'll prefer that, but I'm not one of those people that's like I'm never touching artificial sweeteners. I do like my zero calorie beverages because I like to drink a lot. And if I drink things with calories, I'd be a fat slop. And I'm the same way. I just don't buy into those where it's like, well, they did studies on rats.

And I'm like, okay, what's the study say? Well, we force fed them and then beat the crap out of them. Yeah. And then they stepped on them. And they died. And it's like, yeah, of course they did. I got I got two notes

So I definitely feel it's stevia Not any other pronunciation And if you do end up getting cancer From this podcast Or you know From all this artificial sweeteners Use code unpaid to the doctor's office And we will that affiliate will kick in

And we'll be all set I was gonna say I need an affiliate link From big stevia Yeah Yeah Maybe it is stuff I don't I I never heard stevia

But I haven't either But it's like Yeah Well this is also the man that spells Nat with a K so it's hard to say. But I wasn't going to use any. I thought I was going to spell it just NAT.

Stevie actually has a silent G as well. Yeah, yeah. GK. Well, I think you passed there, Big Rory. Oh,

thank God. I was really worried about that. So I know you said you, you didn't have anything for us, but after talking to us for two hours, anything you wanted to pick our brain with before we bring this in? I don't know.

You don't have to. We can. How's the weather up there? You said it was negative 15 a couple days ago. It's all over the place, but it's mostly cold and wintry. I'm at negative 12 Celsius right now. What's Celsius? What's that in Fahrenheit?

What's that an American? I can figure that out. I can figure out your freedom units for you. Yeah. It has something to do with zero. So 32 is zero, right? Yeah, I believe so. But then it's,

but I think they meet. I think they meet at 32. Then I don't go. So if I'm at negative 15, go negative 1, 5, it is 5. Okay. I'd say we used to be a proper freaking country when we had Fahrenheit,

but I think Celsius was probably before Fahrenheit. I was going to say, you're the only country that ever had Fahrenheit. Well, the funny thing is side tangent on that is like the Army PT test, I take it twice a year or whatever. And the Army as a whole does a lot of dumb things, but they cannot determine

whether they want to use the metric system or the imperial system. Like we do like a ball throw or whatever, which actually just got can, but it was measured in like yards, but yet we use miles for the run and we'll use pounds, but we'll also use,

like, it's all over the place. In the same test, we use both metric and imperial. It's nonsense. So I would, I would be on board with just centralizing everything to metric, because metric's a little more accurate anyways.

I would hate to relearn it. And as a freedom loving American, I hate to say that, but we're the only country. We're the only country that doesn't get on board with that. It just seems silly that we can't disagree, on like one, but it is what it is. I'm not learning.

There is actually, and to settle some of the crew debate, there was actually like a 48-hour conversation about this and I'm paid and underrated in Discord. We actually do the same thing, to be honest with you. Yeah. Like half of our stuff is in pounds. Half of our stuff is in kilometers. Like our speeds are in kilometers,

but our weights are in pounds and our higher feet and inches. Like my driver's license, I think, has centimeters. but when you take the, when you go and do the quiz, not the quiz, when you fill out the form, you can type in feet to inches and it'll convert it to centimeters

for your driver's license. So like we're kind of the same way just do the proximity. However, metric, you're right, it does make more sense. It's ones and tens and hundreds

and thousands and figure it out. Like it's, and then it's 12 inches thing. Like, yeah, somebody said, 12 inches anyways. somebody said that centigrade or Celsius is how water reacts to the cold, whereas Fahrenheit is how the human body reacts to the cold.

Yeah, I remember reading that. Yeah, and I said, so Fahrenheit is the RPE of subjective measurements, therefore is irrelevant because for me, negative, or let's say 10 Celsius is comfortable. well, to my wife, 20 Celsius is comfortable. How do you measure that? How do you be like, well, this is Fahrenheit, therefore this is better because I'm comfortable and you're not comfortable. So I think that there's a conversation to be had there.

Yeah, for sure. I think Keith is looking to wrap this up. No, no, no, I've been fishing on, I was waiting on my time to talk real quick. You had mentioned DMV, and I just wanted to follow up on a, when I had got my DMV, I had to go to DMV a couple months

or whenever it was a couple weeks ago. And it was a sad story because I missed out on that $500 gift card because I didn't respond in time. But the highlight, I guess, was it'll probably be the last time I pass a vision test without having to go get glasses. Because God dang, those letters were blurry at the top. Like, I could get them. Like, it was the only time I've ever done the vision tests and been like, I'm just guessing on those. Or no, it was the bottom ones that is. I'm like, because my wife's been giving me a hard time saying like, you know, well, I sit on the couch and I can't read the time on the, the clock on the, the, the clock on the. microwave like 15, 20 feet away or something and where maybe I could 10 years ago.

So like I know my vision's going a little bit, but to still pass that vision to, you know, quote unquote vision test. You know, it's just the, the, did I say DMV? You mentioned DMV when, we don't have the DMV. That's hilarious. Oh, that's weird. Maybe you didn't say the word DMV, but you said, when you got your license. Oh, okay.

Okay. When you mentioned the height on your license, I guess is what I, and then when I think of license. I just was reminding me that I don't think I shared my, I passed my vision test, but you know, what's funny is I probably would have said DMV if I was talking about the Ontario the Ministry of Transport of Ontario or whatever,

the MTO. I probably would have said DMV just because like, everybody knows what a DMV is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a primus song. It's great. Yeah, there we go. That's a deep cut. But, yeah, actually, I just went to the doctor a couple days ago and I were measured in inches.

So I'm like 70 inches. Okay. So I told my wife and I went up because we were both sick. And it was just like the Kroger. It's like a little clinic at a, I don't know, you guys probably almost Kroger up there, but it's like it's a,

I'm familiar. I've been to one. Grocer store. Geez, I can't think of words today. Grocer store. Anyways, a clinic in there.

And she's like, yeah, height and weight. Yeah, right. So yeah, height and weight. And I said 70 inches.

My wife looked at me like I was like a nutbag saying it in inches. She's like, no, I prefer like we prefer that because like in the medical field you use inches. I'm like I did PT for a while so I know how to do like soap notes and it was always in inches. But she looked at me like I was insane saying my height in inches instead of saying, you know, what it wasn't feet and inches. But it's just weird how that works. I mean, I think a big shout out to the next person at the Lift Hardly Visi that has their weight measured in stones. Yes.

Because it is the worst version. Yes. measuring weight. But let's just do the entire lift, hard, live easy. And be like this, the weight is measured in stones just to mess everybody up. That would be genuinely funny to me. I do have a bone to pick with with like federations that use kilos in Strongman. Because to me, it just, I understand the weights, but 500 kilos sounds so much less,

literally less than 1,100 pounds. Like, just use 1100 pounds. sounds cooler. I wish there was like federations to just use pounds. I know there are obviously lifting federations to use pounds, but it's just so weird to me that like the USPA,

USAPL, IPF, all these united things use kilograms. I want a power lifting federation that uses pounds. They strictly work in the United States, yet are using kilos for whatever reason. Like they make calibrated pound plates. I have calibrated pound plates in my, in my gym.

I just got the Aleka ones from a local university that Oh yeah, you went into those middle Yeah, MTSU. Yeah, they're beautiful. Chrome Laco's, but they're calibrated pound plates. Like, just use calibrated pound plates if you want calibrated. If you're a United States organization, do it.

Like, I almost want to start one just to say I did, but I'm not going to put all the work into that. Will it be for the lifters? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this one will be for the lifters this time. Yeah. Yeah.

So we didn't get it. So we talk about home gymcon a lot. The Arnold, is that anything you'd ever go to? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've wanted to for a long time. Mostly for the Strongman show. I don't necessarily. Again, I follow bodybuilding.

But bodybuilding shows are terrible to go to. They're so boring. They're so boring. They're so long. Like, I watched the Olympia live stream one year. And I was like, this is so boring. And I supported a friend that did a bodybuilding show. And I was sitting there waiting for him.

And it's like, especially at that level. I think the Arnold's an invitational. So, like, they do have less people. But shows like the, like the Olympia. They have like 70 competitors in different classes. It takes like hours. Yeah. I'm like,

I'm not sitting around to look for one one open guy that I want to watch or something. Like I'll watch the YouTube video when it comes out tomorrow. And I can't, I can't see your feathering from down here. Like I don't care. That's the funny thing too. Like all the commentators for bodybuilding shows are like, trust me,

I was in the front row. It's different. It's different. They'll say the live stream's different. They'll say the live pictures are different. You had to be there in the judges. It's like, well,

and what's the point of being, the show. Yeah. I'm in the back row trying to watch and it's like, look at the striation on his thighs. And you're like, no. Like I can't. I didn't bring binoculars because that would also be weird.

What about, what about Lifter's going to be on your radar in the future? Yeah, I'll break the, I'll break the sad news right here. I had to pull out of the Lithra of the Dizzy Glassie. I was signed up for this year. Yeah,

unfortunately, yeah, I was for a very short period of time. And then I found out that my, my army course, which I was actually supposed to be gone when when Tommy Tanner came through Nashville. So it was supposed to be during that time, but there was a big government shut down. So they canceled all those kind of courses. So I wasn't able to go then, which meant that I was able to get the home gym tour with the guys when they came through through town. But that means that it starts.

My class ends on the 18th of July. That's like the last day. And the first day of the lift out of the easy is the 17th. right July 17 it's it's like literally I miss it I miss it like one day so that's very disappointing because I was I was very much looking forward to that but I definitely I would definitely get one eventually for sure nice uh with that question put it put a bug in here too it's like there's not a competition but if you just with this podcast you're probably gonna get a you know probably some more follows and whatnot and maybe some more people slide in

your DMs or at least you know more more more crew eyes specifically on you so if If you just want to do a crew event and get another check mark, crew falls is definitely worth doing. The Sioux Falls trip, it's a little cheaper because you don't have to figure out how to get to Aberdeen. So you can probably get just to Sioux Falls specifically. And then it's just a couple of days of hanging with the boys. So yeah,

that sounds awesome. For me, that's a little more chill. But competing is always, you know, it's super fun too. So it's kind of six to 12, half dozen the other.

It's just whatever, whichever floats your boat or a horse apart, apparently. Or a horse apart. Two horses per bud or something. Yeah. Yep, yep. All right, boys.

Big Rory, one more time. Where are they going to find you at? Hit them with all these links. Yeah, at Rorman Strength, R-O-R-M-A-N strength on Instagram. That's the business page. If you want to follow my music stuff, it's at Rory Ellis Music. And then the website for Rourman Strength is Rourmanstrength.com. You can also buy my stuff on PRX, Performance.com and Rogue Fitness.com.

but if you go straight to my side, I get a little more money. So take that for what it is. Nice. That's what we like to hear. Big Joe, everything I find you out. Joey underscore Malesco,

M-L-E-C-Z-K-O on Instagram, and that's it. All right. We have an Instagram, unpaid and underrated podcast, website, Unpaid Internpodcast.com. We got that YouTube.

I am Keith Honeycutt 73. Go follow me on Instagram. More importantly, go follow me orange gym, than a wine seller. W-H-I-N-E. See you next Tuesday. I did message you earlier. Let me see if she's still interested. Is that okay with you?

Of course. Absolutely. She says she's too afraid to sing with you. Okay. But I might put the headphones on her and see if we can get it out of her because she does. Yeah, for sure. For sure. She's so excited. She really wants to meet you. That's awesome. Okay. Here you go, baby. Hello. Here, come up to the microphone. Here, switch your spots. so you know who that is? Hi. That's the guy that sings we used to be a proper country. Do you want to sing with him?

No. But you got to meet him. What if I sing it? And you can just kind of like sing along. Back and we used to be a proper stinking country. Back and we used to be a proper stinking country.

I want to sing it with him? I don't blame you Thank you for liking the song I appreciate it My daughters love it too It's the only song of mine that they like I listen to it four times this morning Can you tell him

No you're nervous now Of all the times you've been on here You're nervous now How old are you I bet my daughter is probably about the same age My daughter will be four in March So she came on and sang oh Canada Okay

But she's nervous meeting you That's hilarious Of course. Okay. All right, baby. Oh, Canada. Our home in native land. That's all I know.

You want to sing the rest? Okay, you got to go then. Nice to meet you. He says it was nice to meet you. Hong Kong.