Unpaid And Underrated - 146 : Blaze Grey (ft. Big Chris)

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Chris. They dive right into great topics like joggers, cursive, dogs, beer, spray tans, and comic books. Links Ü&Ü Hoodie Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab Get Your Own Keith Head Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast Our Guest On Instagram @friendlyneighborhoodlifter Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar @joey_mleczko Special Guest: Big Chris.

And welcome back to episode 1023 of the unpaid and underrated podcast, a podcast by crew for a crew. I'm one of your host, Big Keith, joined here as always by Big Joey. As always. And this week, special guest crew, one of the Big Chris's. How you doing, Big Chris? Howdy, howdy, happy to be here. He'll reverse Uno Carder. I like it.

I like it. Are you drinking anything fancy this week, Chris? Oh, you know what? I am not. I just pounded some food and just had some hose water. and I'm good to go. Nice. Hopefully,

it was one of, if it wasn't, I'm still going to pretend it was one of those breakfast burritos because that's like the only food I will envision with,

you know, as you for the rest of your crew life here. I have got a, you know, an orange something or other that's sparkling. Oh,

I have a Keith, but, you know, just to celebrate tonight's guest who will get on the horn later, I have it in one of these. He has. Which I will pour

the last for me. meaning in. Yeah, I definitely think the guest would, he had some thoughts on. So when he gets here, consumption devices. Nice. Joey's drinking out of a Viking horn,

if you will, or whatever's just a technical term for that. It's a Viking drinking horn. The drinking horn, there we go. Yeah, we'll get the guys to tell us all about them later. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm wearing the bench heavy shirt this week. What are you wearing, Chris? A nice little flannel on. What's under that flannel? Yeah, I got the, mass, I'll dip it down low enough so you can save it. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Look at that. Classic black tea.

Point in the video, it is Karachi. How about that? I got the silly goose barbell in the peach, as the comfort colors like to call it, because they can't say pink. Indeed, indeed. The new drop was today. So there was four new items, I believe, maybe more, but I know four of the main ones. The joggers, the silly goose on comfort. the gym t-shirt

or no the strength department the lifting department shirt on what's a green I think and then silly it wasn't the lifting department it was the OG logo oh is that what it was okay I missed that I saw it but I didn't rigged what the hell was the fourth one then

joggers joggers the bodybuilding oh yeah yeah yeah we'll get into that from his video I think well yeah we'll get into that later that's why yeah yeah we'll get the guest on the horn later and talk about the flag for sure. So that was the drop.

I did not. I was a little occupied most of the day. I got a very busy, busy projects at work right now. Keep me busy at all hours of the day. So don't have a whole lot of free time at the moment. So I, uh, you liar. You're a liar. I'm busy. I'm definitely on my, I don't know. Busy as a dink.

Definitely on my phone doing something around the clock. Yeah, that's true. There was, yeah, but the new drop was pretty cool. I just, I'm off tomorrow, so maybe all the time to kind of circle back to it and see if anything that really catches my eye, but I didn't pull the trigger just yet. Anybody else? I didn't. Honestly, if I buy any more T-shirts, I'm in trouble.

My work is going to supply me a bunch of work shirts and a new hoodie. And honestly, if I bring any garments into the house. I had a train of thought, something relevant. I don't know what it was now. It was to ask Chris if he got anything from the new drop. Yeah, but I was essentially going with the, you know, short, short fat guys like me and joggers. I can't take the risk going buying like an XL or a two X pair of pants and they come and they're only good for like six foot six guys. Yeah.

It's just so I can't do that. Yeah, I did pick up a pair of those joggers. They look pretty sharp. But well, I don't know how I feel about joggers generally. Like I have a couple and they always kind of fit weird. Like I feel like I'm wearing like, you know, MC Hammer pants in reverse. Like they're baggy through the thigh, but then they're like too tapered at the leg. But we'll see.

I'll give these a shot for sure. I like the logo on the legs. They're sharp. They do look good. I'm trying to, I mean, I think the original joggers were either right when I got in or pre-me. So I don't remember if it's just a reprint of that or something different.

I really don't know. I could just swear the original ones were like black, black. These are more gray, aren't they? No. Am I way off? Yeah. Blaze gray. Yeah, either way.

I actually own so many joggers. it's impossible to keep up. I'm actually wearing ones right now that have a, um, a cat in a cowboy hat riding a shark, shooting rainbows out of its mouth. Like if I had to buy any more joggers, I think,

like I said, I'd have some splaining to do. I did just buy a pair off Costco because it took me years to find pairs that fit perfectly and Costco sold them and then we went to go pick another pair of a person and they didn't have any. So then Stephanie spent like a half hour like trying to get them online to get the exact one. So those actually came in a day.

So now I'm a man that had no joggers, and now I have two joggers. And sadly, they're not massonomics joggers. So sorry, Tanner. You'll have to get my money somewhere, some other way this year. All right. I got to know. Why do you have Q2 cursive in here? What does that mean?

Because you think a two is a Q? I don't know. That change. I mean, and then I saw the image that said it changed in like 96 or something, but I have never in my life seen a Q look like a two. So the other image of a Q. I want to address this. A uppercase Q is to me.

Somebody put the S. where it's just an S with a line through it. And then I said, explain the G and the two. And you guys were like, do Canadians have two in their alphabet? Like, blah, blah, blah. First of all, my joke was very funny if you go back to 1996. Second of all, I was bang on. In cursive, when I was learning cursive, the cue was a swirl two.

No, yeah. That was how you, yeah. Oh, I get it, but. Ryan went and found it for me. That also could be a Canadian versus American thing. Like, I don't know. No, cursive is cursive. It's all from England.

It's all from England. No, no, no, I'm saying. Like, when people adopted, we're going to, like, who arbitrarily said, this is the year that we change what the fuck the queue looks like. Bro, I learned that that was rolled out the exact same day across the entire world. I should have to, but I've still never seen. I have legitimately never seen the queue, too. But how good is your cursive right now?

How good is your cursive right now? I couldn't go through the alphabet and do. I can. I can. And I did it at work a couple weeks ago where I just started writing like, shut up, idiot and just like rude things in cursive on all of my notes to see who could read them. And yeah, my cursive is still pretty good. And the Z is weird too. They're right.

The Z is very weird. But I guess I'm pre-1996. Like we used to be a proper freaking country. I still think it's, it's not. a two? I still think that it had to have been changing before that and maybe like by, I don't know. I don't know. You just admitted

you don't remember cursive and now you're telling me. No, I remember what a cue looks. I remember what an uppercase and lowercase I distinctively know what a cue looks like and it would never in my life looked like a two. That's what I'm sitting getting at. Wrong. That's fine. In my life

in my life of writing it and learning it. I don't know. I don't care. Either way, it's funny. But Ryan is a American. He would have had American. That doesn't mean, okay. So like, so it's not a, like, as if, as, as, as New York is large, so is America. And just because, like, one part maybe rolled out this new queue on this arbitrary day, doesn't mean that the other one didn't do it, like, five years earlier. I'm just saying, like, I get that he saw that Chatsy BT said 1996, but like, yeah, I am just saying also, but also, like, I don't know, when I was nine, do I remember what cursive was compared when I was 11? Maybe it took until I was 11 to remember exactly what my letters looked like.

I just know I have never wrote a cue. Well, the people in charge of cursive. Big cursive. The cursivearians, I don't know. Big cursive is telling us now that it's changed. And we're all confused. It was good to hear. Big cursive in middle America, just writing out a force of piece.

It was good to hear that so many people do write with like a hybrid of a little bit of cursive and a little bit of print a little bit of, because I thought I was. stupid for doing that and apparently like everyone does that so that may me my wife did take offense when tanner kept like shitting on s's and like not know how to do them she's because her maiden name is schmidt so she has been writing for 24 years of her life it was stephanie schmidt as so she's been writing s's concursive her entire life uh so she was c how does he not how to know how to write an s because he doesn't have to it i know that's why we got a laugh out of it so it was just funny it's tanner it's not tanner s baird or well getting stepney to interact on the podcast is always a

for me. So I will play it on the big TV usually on Sunday nights and she'll kind of just like begrudently listen to it most of the time. So when she does engage with it, it's always fun. Like that's how I'm going to the Arnold now because she listened to Tanner rant about the, uh, rave about the chicken and, uh, the eagle for 20 minutes. And the next day, I know we have a, you guys are going to eat eagle. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's just silly goose, right? Eagle, goose, hawk. It's all the same. It's all the same. Man, you are highlighting so many things. And I see that. I see that. That's really. money. Like, what do you plan on talking about next? Oh, it was just, that was actually more of a, that was like a, that was a, that was a tick than anything. Just highlight everything. Yeah. I got, you know, building off of Tanner's equipment, uh, purchases, I have a little bit of equipment, uh, purchase. If anyone has a bar tos circus dumbbell, depending on, like we talked about last week, um, I think actually we talked about with Kurt and how I can't, I don't have enough weights that actually fit on my circus dumbbell, um, because they're just too tight. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the.

the bar stock is slightly bigger than it should be, and my plates are slightly smaller than, like, generic plates. It's very twait. It's very tight, like a toy. Yeah, so I had a buddy that was selling, like, a shit ton of plates. So I literally had to take my circus dumbbell to his commercial, well, so he rents a spot. He rents, like, a personal training area in the back of a larger commercial gym. So I, I'm an asshole that has to carry this 97-pound circus dumbbell in, like, a hundred yards across, like,

CrossFit classes and, like, personal training people and, like, in between and weaving in and out treadmills and shit. Tell me, tell me you did like the, hey, how's it going? Hey, it was, excuse me, I just got to get by. Hey, hey, hey, guys. My low back was like, granted. It was like, it was a hundred pounds. Excuse me. Excuse me. It wouldn't just like, it would be easier. I'd like to get by now. I could have carried it like a bottle of water or something, but it would have been so awkward to carry. So I'm literally just like carrying it by the ends of the barrels just down by my crotch, just like walking with it. Like I had no other way to carry it. And it was just the most awkward thing. And then I sit there for 10 minutes and go through like 300 pounds of like fives and tens to find enough that actually fit on it. And I think I still only bought like 30 pounds worth of plates, but it was, or 30, yeah, 30 pounds, but it was enough to get made exactly where I needed to be for comp weight. So I was like, I was just funny. I can't imagine like these, these like 60 year old people watching me carry this massive fucking circus dumbbell, this comically large circus dumbbell in a place that's literally just for like. Hey guys. Hey guys. Excuse me. Sorry. They'll let anybody in here, hey guys.

Like, yeah, it's a gym. Like, it was a gym, but they didn't have anything like a circus dumbbell in there. So that was just funny to me. So I thought that would be a good story to share. And then prep static monsters is like in three days. I've kind of just been, you know, chilling the last couple days. Haven't really had to do anything. Tweek my back about three weeks ago.

So I was able to hit my last couple heavy lifts. I think I talked about that last week or maybe I did it the day after, but hit a big ass deadlift PR on the 18 inch deadlift. kind of felt like it was like RP8 so really hoping to hit something in the mid five so on the deadlift and log from what I've seen man you're getting strong as hell. I don't know. We used to talk about how I had a bigger deadlift than you and I don't think that's true anymore.

I think you've you've surpassed me as far as deadlift's go. Yeah. Well, it's incredibly possible. So I'm very proud of you, man. Thank you. Thank you. And then you got an update and then we can do some reading. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So as heard on Rory's episode, Rour Man Strength, We used to be a proper country. We used to be a proper stinking country. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is out. It is now on Apple Music, Spotify, and YouTube. It is kid friendly. So he took out all the references to alcohol, cigarettes, the twins.

And, you know, the more we talked about it, it was just like we were both kind of uncomfortable with our little girls four and six. Singing along. Running around going, we used to be a proper freaking country. because the song is very catchy and very good. Yeah. And so he rewrote that. Stinging that in first grade might not be the best thing.

Yeah. So he redid it, but he also featured his little girls and my little girl. So Saga is in the song. During the countdown, the one, two, three, four does feature his girls and my girl. So,

you know, go give that a listen. If you have it on your playlist with your kids in the car, switch it up, the sninking country. And, you know,

go support Rory because that was a huge deal. that was really cool of him to do. Yeah, I can't imagine being like that musically inclined that you could just like bang out a song. Just like, oh yeah, I'll get to it and then just like, you know, boom, got a song. So that's pretty dope. Oh, the YouTube video.

I can't think of the kid's name at the top of my head, but he's the Sioux Falls adjacent guy that's the mechanic. The new guy, yeah. I don't, I don't, I just, I kind of wanted to. Oh, Willie's Garage, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In the Willie's garage. I'm not sure if he's crew.

Is he actually in the Discord? I wasn't sure if he was crew or just. crew adjacent because he's got a CTF, but it was an enjoyable gym tour. Definitely a lot of like Amazon stuff and a lot of Titan stuff, but there were some like pieces in there. You'd be like, oh, that's a good quality piece. And the fact that he was able to squeeze it in such a tiny little corner of his garage was impressive.

The one thing that stuck out to me the most, and I think it's what I actually commented on it, I hadn't circled back to YouTube yet, was so like I'm not a big, like, truck guy, but I've seen the sign and like the name of the company for, you know, most of my adult life or most of my life. And I've always pronounced it Peter B-I-L-T, not like B-I-L-T, not, like, built, just saying it like B-I-L-T. I guess I'm pronouncing it like B-U-I-L-T.

Yeah. But so Tanner, like five times in the episode, I don't know if it's his, his dialect, or maybe I'm just stupid. And that's how you say it. Tanner called it Peter Belt, like B-E-L-L-T. Oh, yeah, no, that's in the Midwestern access. That blew my fucking mind. Because, like, I, like, I went to YouTube and I was, like, typing how to pronounce Peterbilt and like I was getting because I couldn't get like a couple of

of them like one person said Peter like the way I say it and the rest were just fucking like AI recording so I wouldn't it was just it was a fucking computer it's Peter Bilt it's Peter Bilt that's why the U is there. That's why the U is there's a third option no I don't know about that one but either way

Peter Bair yeah yeah good job David thanks David's coming from the top rope with that zinger so yeah that was my sorry to overshadow the kids gym tour but that was the only thing I could think about after I watched it was like, how do you actually say that fucking name now?

So yeah, so someone that's big into to diesel trucks, let us know. I did not. I honestly spent the entirety of 3pm to 5 p.m. with no cell phone signal. So I did not watch anything. As much as I was like, no, I got to get on the drop and I got to see what's going on.

The other half of me was like, God, I love not being accessible. I bet you were productive, right? I was just driving. I was just driving and listening to the backlog and just enjoying my time. Not being bothered by any of the world around me except for what I can see through my windshield

in the mirrors because I drive safely. It's nice to do that sometimes, just unplug a little bit. No, as somebody whose former employment was predicated on my cell phone, having not a cell phone be that important to my life is wonderful. The other day I was joking that all of my, my entire history of calls are me and my wife right now. It's just her name over and over and over.

But if you go back to when I was still employed by the other company, there was like different names and different numbers and everything. Oh, sure. Yeah. But now it's just, she's the only one that calls me. it's wonderful. It's beautiful. That does sound fun.

Last week's episode of Massonomics, we might as well get into that. It was, they kind of opened it up and they were talking about the pre-show a good bit because it was a pretty big pre-show. If anyone tuned in, that bet there's been a lot of talk about their big project. So hopefully you tuned in and actually, you know, got to hear a little bit about that. If not, just stay tuned. And they did the, we already kind of covered the, we already kind of covered the, curse if that was i think that ended up being like the last 20 minutes or more it had to be more than 20 minutes it felt like of the podcast i think i think they were literally getting ready to close it

out and they talked about cursive for 20 minutes was yeah is that and then the age of the golden girls yeah oh yeah and then they kept getting yeah and i love that i'm such a golden girls fan and uh what was the other show that they talked about um oh the other show yep and matt lock yeah and man locked and married with children Yeah, the Al Bundy. Oh, I made the... That's the hard part listening to the podcast on Sunday sometimes is I'm like, oh, that's funny. I'm going to make a meme.

And then I post it in podcast at like Sunday at like 5 o'clock and only like three other people get it because they haven't listened to the podcast yet. So here I am posting a picture of Tanner as Al Bundy with his hand down his pants and like Tanner and Tommy reacted to it and maybe like one other guy. I was like, God damn it, this is funnier than what it is. But I guess I need to learn to sit on him for a day. But it's too much work. too busy. They talk about the, you know, they tease the new gear. The, the, the time pyramid, I think.

The iron, the iron pyramid. Yeah. Yeah. And then just, I think, was this the episode we, I know, this was the episode we finally got Tanner's update on all his gym equipment. So I had been keeping my tabs on it because, you know, I see some of the stuff had been spoiled in stories and, you know, from in December. So there was a couple things he got that I didn't know about.

So that was kind of cool. but it was nice to I don't know if it was organic that they strung us along for a month or like it was very funny yeah no it was but it was a good run it. They took their time. They took their time.

Morgan explained it as she goes, oh, that's like Nate saying his buddy Tom will get to him an minute for like four weeks. And I was like, yeah, that is exactly what that was like. And to build off that, we actually told Nate,

in our group chat the other day. Like, hey, get Tom on. And he essentially, like, he didn't say, we'll get to him a little bit. But, like, he did kind of blow it off. And it was just like, oh, that kind of even builds into it. I'm like, we're both too busy. We don't have time. We'll get him on later.

And I was just like, okay. I guess you really don't want to get him. We really might get him. I told her, I was like, this is so funny. They've been building for this for weeks. And she's like, yeah, like Nate did with his buddy Tom that we'll get in a minute. I was like, yeah, it's fucking nailed it. But all in all, I will give it a five out of five cursive cues that are not twos.

they are twos they were twos back when we used to be a proper freaking country and you know what's funny is in the discord when I said we used to be a proper freaking country

and I said and I don't think I've ever meant it more I wasn't kidding I was damn I was like no it was always a two we used to be a proper country when cues were twos

anyway would be funny everyone should like take like blindly without looking at the chart and try to do the alphabet and cursive and post that as a story and tag us in messonomics for the next week. Yeah, that would be kind of funny.

Yeah, I can guarantee the G is going to screw most people up. And I only know that because I used to write my brother's name. The G goes south of the border. No, it doesn't. The capital G does not. Are there cursive numbers? They're cursive numbers, too. Yeah, Roman numerals.

I don't know those either. No, no. Roman numerals are lying. They're like high, I, V, IV, X. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. know. That's funny. That's good key. Promenals are the high V. You need to, you need to post all your PRs in Roman numerals now.

Well, that's Matt's old brand, right? H-I-V-V-V, whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah. I hate brand. Hate brand. No, it was HIV, like, whatever it was. And then it morphed into Not Dead, and then now Not Dead is dead, ironically. Yeah. Go ahead, Chris. How do you rate last week's episode? I give it five out of five Betty White's. Hell yeah.

Oh, yeah, brother. Somebody was saying that Sophia was actually the youngest member. The youngest member of the cast of the Golden Girls. And the makeup was just so incredible. Oh, yeah, the one that played the mom. I don't know about the youngest, but she's like the one to play the mom. She was a year younger than B.R. Equivalent age of the rest of them, yeah.

Yeah. Quick side tangent. Who's your favorite golden girl? I've seen like three episodes. That's a tragesty. that's an honest tragedy wasn't one of them like a bit of a like she she slept around a little bit yes that was blanche devereau yeah blanche devereau props to blanche for getting it yeah right anywhere between 30 and 80 from what we know we'll never know um yeah i loved it the

i think the iron pyramid thing um it either has the possibility of going farther and they might try and do something with that, which is why Tommy brought it up, or it will end there. I think there's no in between on that one, but I do think that that one was pretty funny. Big Joey is a wrestling fan. I thought you'd appreciate it,

because it sounds like a wrestling finishing move if I've ever burned one. It does, doesn't it? The iron triangle. Like, you put somebody in the iron triangle, they're going down, right? Yeah, it would be a triangle hold, like Undertaker's old,

when he suddenly developed a submission, for no reason. Yeah. Yeah, enjoyed it. The cursive talk had me howl in. I know there was one thing. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Tommy has this weird thing where Tanner to me is more consistently funny, but when Tommy

is funny, he's so funny. Like he just says the one thing that makes me die. We're like, Tanner, I'll like laugh a lot. but Tommy will make me have to like pause and laugh. And he said something, if somebody can remember what it was, he absolutely murdered me on this episode. I don't remember what it was he said because I was too busy laughing at it. So I'm going to go ahead and give that a five out of five hands in your pants.

I see, yeah, Tommy is, he's one of a kind. When he gets animated, I still think today, the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life was him be animatedly angry at something for like 20 minutes in a pre-show. I've never laughed so hard or been so proud of him in my entire life. He just, it was always,

he just has this way of looking at things and he has this delivery. Again, I'm going through the back catalog. So this, like, give me a second here. You're watching him grow up. And I think him and I think the same way a lot where it's very, I don't want to say utilitarian,

but very kind of like straightforward, where this is the right answer and anything else is stupid. and Tommy has that about him and that's what murders me it makes me laugh when he does that what was it it was like um escape rooms

I'm listening to episode 176 uh oh when they finally introduced the YouTube intro to the podcast oh nice finally finally and um yeah they got rid of that thing and he's like they're talking about escape rooms

and he's like, nobody, like, loves escape rooms. Like, you just go to them, you go once, and then you, and, like, nobody goes, I'm so fucking good at escape rooms. That was the funniest thing I've heard in so long. Like, nobody says that. Like, your life doesn't revolve around that kind of thing. And, yeah, his perspective always kills me. You got any affiliates you want to hit us with there, Joey?

No. Well, maybe we'll get the guest on the horn. code unpaid at Obsidian, plate snacks and belt fed. Plate snacks is still going strong. I see all of you guys getting your stickers from there. That's dope. I love it. Obsidian, he's doing his own stuff.

He's got some extra stuff. But again, put in his code and then put in our code. So at least we get, you save whatever he's giving you. So like, let's say he's doing free shipping with code, free shipping. Okay, you put that code in, you get your shipping. and then you put in code unpaid and it'll tell you you can't stack these codes

but I still will get an email telling me someone referred to you or you referred somebody we don't get anything for it but it still tells him that you're listening to our podcast and that's very important to us excuse me while I die probably getting sick

I woke up sick this morning with like that super sick deep voice And, yeah, we'll figure that out to school. Get our guest on the horn there? Chris, you have an ad read for us, brother. I do, I do. Are you part of the small then diagram of powerlifters, bodybuilders, or strongmen, that also love 8-bit Nintendo graphics from when we used to be a proper country?

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Oh, yeah. Well, let's let these kick all those guys out and bada boom, bada bang. Big Chris, you there, buddy. I am.

I am. Howdy, howdy. Hey, welcome to the unpaid internet podcast. We'll go ahead and let you introduce yourself and name and Instagram handle and where anyone can find you. Yeah,

so I'm Chris Madiotto. My Instagram handle is the friendly neighborhood lifter. and you can find me on Discord, Instagram, both under those, find me on Facebook, and get yourself ready for the Wild Ride that is my Instagram profile. Glad to have you here, brother. We'll hit you with the one that kind of elaborate the most on it and why people are turning in. What brought to your astinomics? How did you find them?

Why are you still here? All that. Oh, boy. So I'm probably dating myself, but I'm part of like the original YouTube fitness. crew that went on early stage YouTube for, you know, lifting advice. So I'd see guys like Alan Thrall, Omarisov, and in one of Alan Thrall's videos, I saw the strong man eight-bit flag in the background. And I'm a huge video game nerd. And at the time I had a basement gym. I adjust outfit. And I was like, I need to have that. And I got that. I got the power lifting

shirt and just kind of expanded from there. A guy job that had me driving in every day and started listening to the guys. They cracked me up. And I was like, yeah, you know, I'm going to join the Discord, become a supporting member, get a certified training facility that was probably about a year ago now and have a look back. Yeah. Okay. So all of it's been with last year, you're saying?

I think I think I was buying merch like a long time ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm like if you're buying merch with an Omar, Essoff and Alan Thrall video, that was probably a decade ago or so. Oh, yeah,

yeah. My powerlifting shirt I wore to be... The last time I followed Omar, probably. Way back and... Yeah, Omar's totally fallen off. I have no idea what he... Who?

Omar Essov or like Mark Bell, I hate Mark Bell, but he did always crack me up when he called him Omar ass muffin. I like that will always stick out to me when they had him on the podcast and he called him ass muffin. Don't know if I love that. Um, that's not, so.

Yeah, that's not the dude from a rascal, is it? He is the, well, he is rascal now, but I don't know. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was big friends with Silent Mike who also isn't like, I don't know, there's a lot of these guys like, you know what? You know what I'm about to ask? I just unfollowed him over the last.

Yeah, I'm about to ask who's Silent Mike. Yeah. He was very relevant in the lifting community. Yeah, he, he enjoys, uh, sats. I think it was. Like, they were kind of early, YouTube go. I think they just get burned out. You know, every week trying to create new

content. It's tiring on these guys. I still follow Jim McDee, but I've unfollowed a lot of the guys from that era. It's just like, I don't know. I just, I got only so much bandwidth left and crew got to take up so much of it nowadays. Like random influencers from 15 years ago, I was like, I'm probably not following you now that you're like, you know, I don't know.

I think it's just a cycle of life. People, you don't know. I don't think you're made to follow people your whole life on Instagram. I think it's just kind of natural. Well, Big Chris, where are you at? Where you're from? Yeah, so I'm from Greater Boston,

grew up here, stay here, and yeah, I'm just a local guy. From Baston. Boston, great. It's weird because, like, Boston doesn't,

nobody actually lives in downtown Boston. People just work there, and we all live in these random suburbs that just have random names and everybody just gets stuck in terrible traffic for, you know, hours at a time because our, uh, our traffic system is terrible. Yes, that's, but if you live downtown.

It seems sustainable. Yeah, that's sustainable. No, but it's it's, you know, I grew up here. And, you know, I, I, I, except for the wintertime, I love it. Um, but I know it's, you know, I, I complain about it, but I know, you guys probably have it worse than I do in terms of weather, so I should stop being such a baby, but... No, now you're right, you're closer to the ocean, so you probably have a different version of

the terrible stuff we have. What's what you mean? He's got a lot of snow. Tom of snow. Him and Jose just go to the beach every week and... Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we'll just go surfing. Yeah, yeah, surfing.

They're just out surfing. Just beach boys over there. He, I, so he is out of his mind to do that. That water is freezing cold. Even if you just have just your face exposed, uh, like you, you couldn't pay me enough to jump in that. Even, so even in the summer, the Atlantic Ocean is cold. It's freezing all year round.

Yeah, it's never warm. You go to go to the beach, go to Cape Cod in the middle of the summer, and you'll see like six people in the water because it's so cold. Like, people still don't. Yeah. Okay, so you've been around for a bit. What is the one piece of Massonomics merch? You wish you had.

And I just want to point out, things are coming back. And I don't want to say it's because of unpaid and underrated. But I think the amount of times we've said the joggers, the raglan, and the yeah buddy shirt, two of those have come back. Just saying. What is you? I got to say I want the camo jorts. I miss that. And I would, like, I wear camo cargo pants during the summer and just wish I had a pair of camo jorts.

What if it was like my pants but inappropriate? Yeah, totally. I'm here for it. I didn't build this cake for you to not look at it. No, exactly. Yeah. We know you couldn't find your supportive membership number, but ballpark it about a year ago you joined a crew, you said?

Yeah, yeah, that's about right. Good deal, good deal. What about your, do you have a Hall of Fame status you've been keeping tabs on? So I'm still pretty low, but after this year, I'm going to, by the amount of money I'm spending on these guys, I'm going to have skyrocketed. So I think I'm at like four now, but by the end of the summer, I'll be up to like almost all of them. Right. You're on the Lutthard-Livesee roster, so you should be coming out and getting a few of those.

Are you doing the arm? Are you making the journey to the Arnold in a couple weeks? I'm doing home gym con. So if they change that up, I'll get that. I've definitely, I mean, you know, I'll have my year membership. I'll be around for long enough to get the rest of them. I've gotten over 10 orders. I haven't had my name on the podcast yet.

It's your voice. You have to have your voice on the podcast. Just got to get my voice on them there. Yeah. So that one's a little bit trickier to get. And the contest one's trickier. Contest win is the artist. The best thing you should do is just make up your own contest and constantly

beg for it. I've been so close. I'm so frustrating. That's okay. I got my jacket, so I'm still happy. So we all saw, well, a lot of us, if you're listening to this, you probably saw the YouTube video. But let's hear about that certified training facility. What was our name?

Yeah, so the Wolf Den. That's right. That's right. So the Wolf Den, I was trying to come up with some name for it. And I know it's kind of like one of those, you know, like Tony Tough Nuts names for a gym. And I kind of hate those. Like I love the gym names that are totally tongue and cheek. and like you meet like the biggest person ever and their their name is like the cupcake facility

or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, we actually do get a fair amount of coyotes out here. Okay.

So it's relevant. That was going to be my follow. Yeah. Is it somewhat relevant or is it just a goofy thing you got from AI? So that's cool. No, it's relevant. I actually,

we'll probably talk about it later, but I went to Africa for a couple of, couple of weeks to help with wild dog conservation. They're called painted wolves in Africa. And yeah, I just, like, I think wolves are really cool. I've spent a lot of time, like, just reading about them, learning about them, helping with wolf conservation. And we also do dog rescue here. And we wanted to call it, like, I was thinking about the dog pound, but then, like, I was like, we've just rescued these dogs from the dog pound. Yeah, that seems like a kind of a weird name. So I was trying to think of, like, I was trying to think of, like,

a badass dog name for a gym. So the wolf den. Yeah. And it's it's gotten a little out of hand like away frankly. But in a totally good way. It's big in the video. Well, it's the square foot. Like I'm assuming you have a fairly large. And it looks like it's like a 2,000 square foot basement, but I don't know if I'm off or not. That's that's probably about right. Yeah. It's probably about 2,000 square feet down there. The nice part is just that's like 2.5 my gym. That's wild. That's so much space. It's, uh, that's big. It's huge, but it's not like a big square. So there are portions that, like, home gym flooring would never make any sense for me.

Right. Because, like, it would either cost a fortune or, like, if I were just doing horse stall mats, I'd be cutting them at all these bizarre angles. And so there are just kind of like patches. And I might epoxy floor the basement at some point and paint the joyce and everything, just like spray paint it black. But yeah, I mean, I've got probably got about 10 machines down there and a couple of power racks. So it's pretty much decked out with everything.

I just got an adductor abductor two weeks ago that I just finished putting together. So just like ticky tacky stuff, you know, I don't have to worry about room the same way a lot of home gym owners do. So I have a pendulum swat. I've got a leg press hack squat that take up a huge amount of space that I wouldn't recommend. men for most people. But I try and pick and choose, too. Like, I have a lot of cheap equipment, but then I have a lot of nicer stuff, too. Like, I'm going to spend a lot of money on my barbells and my power, like, my main power rack.

But then on maybe something that I'm going to do for accessory work, I don't care if it's not, you know, going to support 800 pounds, right? Like, it's just there for cable work or whatever. So, but yeah, I started during COVID. And since then, just kind of. of built it out. We got this new house. Big drawing point for the house was the basement and the game room, which I sure we'll talk about. But yeah, it's a great space. I love it. And I, you know, I want to have more people over. I try to make it as accommodating for both me, my wife, anybody, I really want to try and build out a community here of folks feeling welcome

to come and lift. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, you already, did you have, was the crew made up, the crew made up a couple months ago. Was it your house, right? Yeah, we did the crew England. Yeah. And, um, uh, Wallflower and Jim, Jose, Big Steve came out. Um, and yeah, it was a lot of fun. I mean, we were just no real plan.

Like, we started with the, the stall mat gripper. And, you know, folks started to have like a beer or two and everybody kind of lightened up a little bit. And, uh, then we started just, you know, had a typical bro session of just like benching and thrown around weight and being a bunch of idiots. And we wound up, uh, capping off the night watching medieval MMA fight and, uh, just like random. We started watching like strong man, but then it turned into watching like logging sports and then it ended with medieval MMA fighting. That's, that's actually a thing at the Arnold. They have an entire media section. Yeah. There's a guy on,

on Instagram that like lifts wearing full medieval armor and his whole thing is like does thou even hoist yes and the dude's like he's squatting like he's zirchers squatting like 350 pounds wearing 150 pounds of armor it's insane that's wild yeah uh well you did a good job you had tons of people do your questionnaire uh were you kind of vague with it or did you actually explain us in any capacity uh yeah so most of my friends know I'm like a loose canon and totally obsessed with weight listing. So I just kind of explained that, hey, these are the same, you know, this is part of the same podcast of the people who invaded my house during the summer.

And you hear that Tanner and Tommy? We are, we are part of you. We are one and the same. We are you basically. That works. I dig it. All right. So anyone listening for the first time, we got this game we'd like to call least fun,

most fun. It is essentially, I'm going to give Chris here a single topic and he has to go through. kind of uses druthers and explain to me the best part about it, the worst part about it, or as I like to call least fun, most fun. So, Big Chris, least fun, most fun, having an extensive comic book collection as a adult. I don't even have to say as adult. I don't know. It's kind of a, it wasn't, like, you know, how old are you? How dare you? I'm, uh, I'm 41, so I'm officially big boy. A 31 year old man with a entire room,

an extensive room, because it wasn't in the YouTube video, but if you watch their stories and Instagram that week. Like it, to me, it looked like it had to be thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars and pieces of cool shit. So how is that? There's got to be some pros and cons there. Yeah. So I think the coolest part is just like connecting with like not having lost my childhood

growing up. And like whenever I read those comics, it takes me back to a special time of my life where like, you know, that help. I mean, I was reading more comic books. than I was actual books growing up as a kid and really got me interested in like I wanted to look like those guys. Like I wanted to look like Batman and Superman growing up and getting these strong role models that were positive influences that I could watch after school every day, Batman Animate series, X-Men anime. And growing up and like maturing with some of the more adult themes now is like it's fun. Like the thrill of building it out and having friends over and having friends,

kids over and see them with kind of this like starstruck look in their faces being like, wow, this is so cool. And seeing some positive role models that they can then follow is really rewarding. So the most fun is just like the stories, the collecting, the connection with past. It's got something for everybody and just it's and the artwork is beautiful. So it's just connecting to an earlier point in my life. I think the least fun is going to an actual large-scale comic book convention to get stuff. Is that where you have to go get the more rare stuff that's on your wish list, essentially, unless you want to pay eBay prices?

Yeah. Are they shitty prices there, too? And it's just more of the rarity. That's the only place you can get them. A lot of it is going to meet specific creators or specific writers that, you know, I really want to. meet in person because they had a big influence in my life. But like, and there, it's a strange group of people. There are a lot of people there that are solely there to make a profit and just kind of

flip books. So you're standing behind someone who's never even heard of the creator or never even read anything and has a big stack of comic books. They want signed just because they can turn around on eBay and sell it for a profit. And that's really like, and it's not just comic books. People do that in like Pokemon cards. and baseball cards and everything. And it kind of ruins the hobby, in my personal opinion.

And then there's like the cosplay version of it and stuff, which I'm just like, that's not for me. It's cool if you want to do that. But like it's a younger crowd. It's just a different crowd. And I'm just there to like meet people that have had a big influence in my life. And sometimes you're waiting in line for like four hours to meet someone for like 30 seconds. And the creators are always super nice. But like, man, spending an entire Saturday in a PAC convention center with a bunch of like, you know, sweaty nerds, not a great time.

Well, you'll fit right. Are you sure you want to come to Home GymCon? Look, it's a little different. I'm ready for it. Home JimCon should be a good enjoyable time. So normally I would lead into my question, but I have. actually have a couple comic book follow-ups since we brought up comic books and I know that kind of ruins the linear progression of this show. But there are a couple things I want to ask you

about comic books. So I'm not like as into it as you are, but I don't think there's many people that would argue I'm not a comic book guy. First, who is in your opinion? And you can talk about which version, which universe, which anything, is the best role model for, let's say, young men. Yeah, that's a great question. I actually think the recent Superman movie that just came out did a really good job of just portraying a likable, nice guy Superman that just wasn't like angsty and filled with, you know, all this emotional baggage. And the whole thing about James Gunn's Superman is. like, he's just a nice guy trying to do the right thing. And his entire focus was children and animals.

Yeah. The amount of time he went out of his way to save a squirrel, a turtle. Just, yeah, yeah, I agree. I'm 100% with you on that one. I think that that's really true to the character. Like, if you read the Superman comics from the 80s and 90s, and you watch the animated series, like, when he's fighting doomsday one of the you know the death of superman's story like he's trying

to protect people the entire time like he's always pulling his punches until he realizes he can't and i think you know it's it's a test like i think that there's a lot you can take from superman because he has the power to do whatever he wants and he makes the decision to do the right thing like the crash test dummy song yeah yeah and like i it's A lot of writers turned into a wasn't that a lot of writers No there's so when Superman died after fighting Superman

The Crash Testammies wrote a song about Superman and they said That he had the The power to break into any Bank in the world and chose not to Gotcha yeah Yeah it's very and like I I

So I also think that Batman's a great role model Because he's got a lot of baggage But still decides to do the right thing Right so like He's got all this trauma. And instead of letting it consume him and just become, you know, a bad person, he tries to do what he thinks is the right thing. And I think those are both positive, positive messages for kids. Like, hey, everybody's going through stuff, but that doesn't mean that you can't try and do the right thing.

And, you know, there aren't too many opportunities to do the right thing growing up and being an adult, right? So you really, like, you're just kind of doing your nine to five and doing whatever. So when those moments present themselves, I guess just try not to be a jerk. I mean, that's like my whole Instagram handle is like just, you know, I've met like I hate lifting culture where you need to be like tough and angry to be strong. Go to war with the bar. That was my. Yeah. Like I hate, I hated that mentality.

It's so silly. I still do. Like, like, I wouldn't call it silly. because that's like a big word here. I would call it unsurious. Yeah. It's just unsirious. It's become a kind of a, like a, it's, it's become such a leach that it's lost.

Like you're wearing an affliction shirt and you're getting all jacked up. It's not cheap. Look at me. I know. Yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah. So I don't know.

Like I don't think there's, there's a difference between getting angry and getting intense. And I think that you can. can get really intense when you do something, especially that you care about without being angry. So, yeah. I'm never angry when I ring my bill. I'm always happy. Is there room there for Steve Rogers?

Love Captain America. Absolutely love Captain America. I think specifically the Marvel Captain America, Chris Evans, incredible, but he's based off the Ultimates, right? The Ultimate Avengers. I think that's the best version of Captain America I think we've ever seen. I've always loved Captain America because like, you know, I think one thing that they do in the movies a really good job of of saying is like,

yeah, you can give anybody superpowers. But like he actually does, again, he does the right thing with it. Right? Like he makes the hard decisions. And his character really gets put through the ringer in the cinematic. universe like they they really just absolutely beat him down left and right um so yeah i mean i'm glad he kind of got the happy ending i don't know how i feel about him coming back now i don't i don't think he's coming back apparently that's all just like uh a misdirect leading into

the the new avengers he uh he might not be there which obviously like thank you because i saw that one in the thor trailer and i went why we don't need that. Give up. Make something good. Make something new. Right. Yeah.

Okay. I have one more follow up regarding comic books. Yeah, of course. I know it's going to, it'll come up again. Keith, I'm sorry. I know this is boring for you. I have a white whale comic book. And it is number two of James O.

Bars the Crow. I cannot find it. I have one and then three through 12. I do not have number two and I can't find it. I gave up a long, long time ago. What is your white whale comic book? Ooh. I mean, probably Detective Comics 27, which is a image of, I mean, it's out of my price range.

have to sell my house for it. And there's stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, the most recently, the, uh, Superman number one, not even the action comics number one, but Superman number one went up for auction and sold for $5 million. Jesus. So it's, it's like, especially the older stuff, um, during World War II, there were big paper campaigns for the war effort, recycling campaigns.

And comic books were the same as baseball cards. Like nobody thought these things were collectible. They were just disposable. media that you read and then threw away. They were pulp. Yeah. That's where the entire pulp. So if you get anything before 1945,

and it's a major superhero, it's worth a lot of money. I mean, in terms of more like modern stuff, I was thinking more like not money-wise. I was thinking more like, what is the one that you're like, gosh, I wish I owned that and not because it was worth so much,

but because, like, you want it. I'm a feeling he's checked about 99% of his list based off of his studio. The white whale stuff I took down early. So, like, I started kind of going hard. So I sold a large chunk of my comic book collection maybe, like, 12, 13 years ago, and then basically re-bought all of it in nicer, higher quality. So because they were all reader copies, right? They were just, like, trash.

but probably the first comic book I've ever read, I repurchased, which is a, I think it's Batman 423, which is a great story. It has an amazing cover, but I bought that a couple years ago. It's by the artist who did the cover, Todd McFarland, known for creating Spawn and the Image Universe. That's his only Batman cover.

And that was the first comic book I ever got. And it's become a huge collectible sense. But yeah, I was able to track down a nice copy. copy of it. That was his only cover? Because didn't he do the entire Dark Night Returns? No, so Dark Night Returns was Frank Miller. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Yep. I confused the two. My bad. And I've had a chance to meet Frank Miller. I actually did last year. He's older. He's older. The book is the 40th anniversary is just being released. It's probably, if you had to ask me,

my favorite comic book story, it's Dark Night Returns, hands down. And the older I think, the more that story resonates with me. And same with old man, Logan, up there. Yeah. Yeah. The more I see it. Yeah. All right. I'll stop with the comic book stuff for now.

Thank you. You're the one that said you had a heart out and we're an hour in. Oh, wow. You might have a... Just an entire comic book episode? I keep going. No, that's fine. I want to talk about the Batman Halloween.

And I still, if you could DM me at some point, how to find the introduction of Dr. Pig. Yeah. Yeah, Professor Pig. Professor Pig, thank you. Cannot find it. I have asked multiple places,

and they're like, I have no clue what you're talking about. I know it's a Halloween one, and I don't know when it came out or what it was. Yeah, that's a Scott Snyder's story. I want it. I think I know the number off the time. I think it's in like the 600s. I can definitely, I'll DM you that.

Yeah, I can pull that, no problem. I want to find that. He knows those numbers. but you're asking him to support a membership number, and he doesn't fucking know. No clue. No clue. All right. Move on.

I'm sorry. Thank you. You're good. I'll just, I'll just like go to better. Do you want to have that be your rather? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll skip the hype person.

Sorry, Chris, we'll skip that one because that was way more interesting. No, no. That's what I figured you're going with. So, uh, big Chris, uh, as far as your occupation is little or as much do you want to share about that? Uh, I am a corporate lawyer for a pharmaceutical company and it pays the bill. and that is without saying anything else, that's about as much, it's about as interesting as it sounds. Let's put that one.

Now, you know, and with that job, does it come with side effects, X, Y, Z? And, you know, like on the commercials, you know, where you have to. So I will say the only thing that there was a cool point in my career where I worked for Bose, the speaker company. And I was the sales and marketing attorney for all the Americas. And I used to negotiate our contract with the NFL and with a bunch of. NFL players and musicians. So I did get to go to the Super Bowl that the Patriots played against the Eagles in Minneapolis probably about like eight years ago now.

But yeah, I've actually had a chance because of that job to meet a fair number of either current or former pro athletes and musicians. And I have a picture with myself and Marin Morris. She was probably the biggest celebrity that I met. but Dionne Sanders, Antonio Brown back when he was sane. So, yeah,

yeah, it was cool. It was a cool job. Nice. I dig it. And then a lot of your, you have like seven nicknames, but they all pretty much,

or seven different people reported your same nickname, just a play on your last name. So is there, you just want to kind of elaborate that on, like, I think one person even, I'm sorry, I was your wife or someone else,

like they don't even, they didn't even, like she's, There's one person that said they're the only person in your whole life that calls you Chris because everyone else just calls you this other name. Yeah. And my wife barely calls me Chris because she has a pet name for me that she calls me too. So all my, so my first year or freshman year in college, most I'd say a good number of people thought my first name was Matt and my last name was Odo. So people are just calling me Maddie Odo like, oh yeah.

So people are just calling me Odo. thinking that that was my last name. And I remember sitting down at like the dining hall one day and some guy was like, oh, like I was like, oh yeah, they're just going to be, you know, we were talking about like, maybe having kids. And I was like, oh, yeah, it's hard for me to imagine a bunch of little Matiotos. And he's like, you're going to name them all Matt? And I was like, what?

And he's like, man. I was like, bro, that's my last name. Like, I've known you for months now. Yeah. I think my favorite part of reading those notes, uh, was thinking it was a Star Trek reference. Yeah.

Yeah. Like nobody. And that's why it's funny because Jose forgot my name. And it's like nobody remembers Chris. Cause we forgot, I've, we forgot your name like four episodes in a row. Nobody remembers Chris.

Cause like how many chrises do you know? A lot. But like, I'm the only Madyodo. So, uh, yeah. many of those. That's really funny.

I forgot that we forgot your name for like three episodes in a row. Did you, now, did you actually catch that live along? Yeah, you were like, these assholes forget my name again. Like,

I wrote Jose busted his chops a little bit. That's really funny. That's really good. Awesome. So then lifting history. I saw some cool stuff about how like you essentially, you know, looked up to the Batman,

Superman figures and like that's the physique and the body you wanted. and you just wanted to like kind of, you know, take care of yourself. So I guess just, you know, and as little or as much, just kind of walk us through your lifting history. Yeah, so, I mean, I grew up playing sports. I was like definitely a baseball kid growing up, going to tournaments and doing everything. And part of that was just getting into weight training. And I was playing football too. And, you know, I'm 5'10 and was playing guard my senior year of high school.

my coach wanted me to like really put on a lot of weight. But he didn't really know how to like achieve that. He was just like go go to the weight room and put on a lot of weight. So I got up to 200 pounds and just wasn't really happy with how I looked. And I was like, I want to like I want abs. I want to look ripped. And that summer before going off to college, I lost 40 pounds. And I showed up to college ripped.

and during like all the baseball workouts and everything, we were learning cleans. And I realized I liked working out more than I like playing baseball. Like I just loved the gym. I love the bro culture of it. Like I love the positivity of it. I loved seeing myself getting stronger. So you really just kind of stop playing baseballs, focused on my academics, knew I wanted to go to law school and knew I was going to be putting in a lot of hours.

went to law school and put on some more weight again, just didn't have the time or bandwidth to train. And then, you know, since then, since I graduated from law school, I've been a North Star with training. And, you know, lost weight again. And now I'm at 165. And I've been pretty much the same weight for almost, you know, 15, 17 years, either doing powerlifting.

recently did a men's physique show for the first time and got down to a true, like a true four and a half percent body fat, which was, you know, I mean, I was, I was focusing in on, I ate the same thing for three months straight. Good for you. Good for you. And that's incredible. I was going up on stage against guys in their 20s and I'm 41. And, you know, these guys have.

they don't have any life circumstances, right? Yeah. They got everything in their favor to train. And I just really was, you know, it was a big achievement for me to be able to step on stage. And I was able to place first in the novice division, win the first timers division. So like, not only do it, but like do it pretty darn well. So now on the other side of it, like, man, anybody listening who's looking to do natural bodybuilding, just be careful when you get down to really low body fats and know that it's going to take a lot out of you on the reverse end because I've put some I put on weight since then. I was down to 152 at 510 and now I'm back up to 165 and my strength tanked and it hasn't come back yet.

So just know that like, you know, if you're going to do it, don't expect your numbers to just come from. thwarting back. It's going to take, I mean, maybe if you're younger, but not if you're 40, it's going to take some time. So I did want to bring that up earlier because you were talking about how, you know, Batman and Superman and these superheroes were, you know, your goal in strength, but looking like them is not as strong as them, right? And that's a thing we talk about a lot in the fitness industry is, you know, abs are technically weaker, right? We talk about that a lot. and I'm glad you brought it up because that's a that's a true thing is you know somebody would be like oh you're not strong you don't have abs and I'm just like hmm trust me you're under

there you know it's it's like having done both of everything like it's just your strength endurance goes up when you do bodybuilding work because you're doing sets of 10 15 20 but it's it's like anything it's sports specificity training if you practice singles you're going to get very, very good at singles. If you do sets of 20, you're going to get really good at 20. Now, does that mean that you're not strong if you're doing 20s? Well, you're probably strong, but you could be a lot stronger if you're doing singles. And like, once you dip below 10% body fat, retaining muscle unless you're on some kind of anabolic, like there's a similar triangle to the iron triangle. It's in the bodybuilding community. It's, it's, it's,

either be natty, be big, or be ripped, and choose to, right? Because unless you're taking steroids, you can't really, unless you're blessed with genetics. And listen, I'm not saying that there aren't people out there, but most people have average genetics. That's why it's average, right? So chances are you don't have great genetics. You have probably pretty good genetics but not great genetics. And if you're going to do that, you're either going to get really big and probably really strong, but you're not going to be ripped or you're going to get ripped, but you're not going to be big and you're not going to be as strong as you could be.

Yep. Yeah. I always joke with my wife that my main body goal is Wolverine and Greg Rucka's the brotherhood. Yes. That one scene where he's in the gun shop. And he's just this fat, hulking, short, hairy guy. And I'm just like, yeah, that's what I want to be. And she's like, please don't.

Well, you know, I mean, I think there's something to be said about having a little extra weight on you when you get older, too, like in your 70s and in your 80s. Like, would you rather be a couple pounds overweight or be super fragile, right? Where like one fall and you break your hip. Like, you actually probably want a little bit of cushion to kind of, to protect you. The muscle and the fat. Like you want that.

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Ah, geez. So I want to hear about your, you know, so you always been a dog guy, right? It sounds like we briefly touched on that earlier. You know, you traveled to Africa for a good cause. You've, you know, you're just, I guess, just dive into that journey.

Just, you know, what your role has been, I guess, and what animals and dogs have played in your life. Yeah. So, growing up, I had a miniature friend. French poodle named Frenchie. That's interesting. And yeah, I didn't name the dog. And that dog lived until like 15 or 16. And my mom growing up was allergic to dogs, but we still wanted dogs.

So after that, my folks got bulldogs. And bulldogs are cool dogs, but, like, they're also, you can't really do much with them. Like they're couch potatoes. You can't take them for a walk. You can't really do anything. And I love spending time outdoors. And, you know, when my wife and I decided to get a dog, I was like, I want a dog dog, like an actual dog that I can hike with that has this prey drive. And it's just like, you know, just what you think of when you think of a dog.

So I've got our girl Ripley now who's asleep next to me on her bed. Wake up, Ripley. Wake up. We want to see you. She's got her ears perked up now, but she's not interested enough to get up. But we got her. She came up from Arkansas and was a mother of two other dogs. She gave birth and shelter down in Arkansas.

And, yeah, she's been the most phenomenal dog I can ever hope for, ever imagine. Like, she's super sweet. She's still energetic. I walk her twice. day. Like, she never is fussy, but she does. She's got such a big personality. And it just breaks my heart that there are so many dogs in Arkansas and in other parts of the country that, I mean, this dog, it means everything to me. And to think that she was just like wandering the streets of Arkansas just like discarded like trash breaks my heart. Because like there are so many

countless dogs like that out there that if you only gave them an opportunity, only gave them a chance, they would literally change your life and make you a better person. I mean, I spend more time outdoors now than I ever did before having her. And it teaches you responsibility. It gives you a cardio partner. It gives your life structure. It gives you companionship. So, you know, during COVID, I got to work from home.

And my wife and I decided to expand our roles. and become fosters for some dogs that were coming up from down south. So before they get fully adopted, they get placed in foster homes. And we did that for five and a half years. And we probably had about 20 different dogs, all shapes, sizes, ages, come through our doors. And a lot of people always ask me, like, hey, you know, how can you, how, like, it must be so heartbreaking. And I always viewed it as like a nice spa vacation before they got to go to their their people. Right.

And if I adopted another dog, it would not only potentially change the family dynamic, but then our doors would be closed to future dogs that were coming up. And the name of the organization is Last Hope Canine. And it's an all-volunteer-based organization. And I can't say enough good things about them. And so going over to Africa, right? Like, it's not even just like dogs, but like our companionship with wolves and kind of like I've always been very interested in like pre-civilization man and thinking about how tough our ancestors were to survive the Ice Age. I don't know if you guys know, but like archaeologists and anthropologists have kind of netted down. that the human species was on the brink of extinction and that the entire population during the ice age could fit inside Shea Stadium of the entire planet.

And a large reason why we made it through was because of our domestication of the wolf. And I just like, I find that so interesting and fascinating that like as like it's not a predator to us now or like companionship. I'm very concerned. I very much want to elaborate specifically on what you just said. So go ahead. Actually, you're the expert. I just had an example. No, no. I'm not an expert. I just like I find it fascinating that we turned one of our biggest competitors for prey and like literally something that was hunting us. Like my dog's ancestor probably ate one of my ancestors. Right. And now she's sitting next to me and we're best buddies. It's just such a wild. trip. It's such a wild trip and like there are so many wolf populations out there and particularly the wild dog population in Africa where, you know, people aren't really kind of giving back to the species that has given a lot to us and that we're kind of, we're tied at the hip with, right? And it was a hell of the trip. Man, it felt like something on Indiana Jones going on that trip. So it was

I learned up here in Canada, Ravens will learn to mimic the howl of wolves around them. So they'll find a carcass. And if they can't eat the carcass, they can't get into it. They will mimic the howl of wolves to bring those wolves in to open the carcass. So that the raven and the wolves can eat together. So, you know,

the entire idea of domestication of wolves is it is. It really is. And it's not like wolves are stupid. Like they knew what they were doing. They were like, wait, these guys know how to kill things. We know how to eat things. We can show them how to eat things while they kill them. Like, it makes perfect sense.

I did have one question about Ripley, if that's okay. Oh, sure. Yeah. What kind of dog is she? She is a, so her acronym is a Pekab, which is a pit bull, chow, Akita, boxer. and then it's just like every other random ass

berita dog I mean she's having a great I'll say she's got something in her that makes her happy when it's like 20 degrees out and I'm freezing my ass off because she doesn't care at all

like it might as well be a summer so named after aliens Ripley or just you like the name yeah no named after we were trying to come up with a badass female name for the dog

so if we get a find a better If you get a boy dog, I'm going to push hard for Dutch. So we could have Dutch from Predator and Ripley from aliens. It doesn't get more badass than Lieutenant Ripley. I finally watched the new Predator Badlands out of it. It was. Yeah.

It was good. I thought it would be. Yeah. It was a lot of animation, but like, I mean, everything is nowadays. But it was not bad. I, you know what? I said the same thing. I was watching it.

And I stood up and went, I like watching this. Is it going to win awards? Is this Gangs of New York good? No. Am I enjoying every dang second of watching this? Yes. Yes, I am. It's like the first Predator movie, I think, that's since Prey, that was made for people who like the Predator.

I just, I love the first two so much. Yeah. And then they went. The first two are so amazing. And then they went so bad. What was it, Predator versus Aliens? And it was like, did you watch it? predator movie before you made this?

Do you know anything about this species before you made this movie? And then Prey came out and it was like good again. Yeah. Yeah, it was cool. And then this one is like, oh, now we get to see this society at work. Yeah, it was a good watch.

Thanks for calling that up, Keith. We could go all day about just your fascination and your enjoyment of different media. Oh, I have things. Yeah, I have things. Okay.

Best glass for an IPA and not a tanner IPA, like a regular, like a real IPA, like a hazy. A Peter Belt IPA? Yeah, I mean, like, so I probably have a glassware in the other room, but basically you want something with a thin bottom that, not like a tool, but just like a thin bottom that spirals up and then has a little cup at the top. and that's perfect glassware for an IPA. Like you just want something with an IPA that is going to be narrow at the base just so all the floral notes come up to the top. So when you're drinking it, all that pine and hoppy stuff just hits you right at the top when you're...

Yes. Okay. Best glass for a stout. So you probably want more of like a traditional tulip glass for a stout. for a stout. Really? Yeah. Because Guinness is that big fish glass. There's like a sniffter almost.

I guess the best way to describe it. But yeah, like Guinnesses aren't really, they're like color like stouts, but they drink more like lights. So it's kind of this weird in between where you throw them in a pint glass. But if you had something that's like a really chocolatey, dark noted stout drink, you want kind of a sniffer or something that's like more like something you'd be drinking almost whiskey out of right so something just with a wider mouth and and why is that is it is it like the the stirring as it comes to your mouth uh so it has to do with the heat distribution on something like

that because you want stouts to breathe so you want something just with a what like a wider surface area across all about of all of it to just kind of let it breathe out because if you drink a stout cold, right? Like you drink a stout really cold. You're not going to get a lot of those notes that you're going to get if you drink it maybe just a little. I'd say if you take a stout out of the fridge, leave it out for maybe 15 minutes before you start drinking it.

And then you're going to get a lot of those. I mean, they're kind of like dessert beers, right? So you probably want to leave them out so you can get some of those chocolate notes. Coffee. Coffee stouts are huge around here, right? So they're like. My wife loves those. I can't stand those.

Yeah. I think there's like I'm very much a seasonal beer drinker, so I'll drink whatever as long as it's right for the time of year. I mean, I'm kind of like an equal opportunity. But I don't drink a lot anymore. So I have to be very careful with like what beers I choose when I am drinking. So I really do try to enjoy it with picking right glassware, picking right like food pairings with it to really, because I'm at most in a night, I'm drinking like two beers. right and that's probably just on a Friday or Saturday and that's it so yeah I really like like doing it all up to get the most out of it so okay so going back to the introduction earlier your favorite beer out of a drinking horn and follow up where'd you get your drinking horn oh so favorite I wouldn't even say beer I'd say mead right like you got to drink Okay, yep. I can't stand mead, but I understand the concept. Just on, like, on principle, I don't like mead either, but just like on principle, if I'm drinking out of a Viking drinking horde, I've got to drink mead. But, like, if I had my druthers to say, oh, this is, this is going to be whatever, one of my favorite beers is by a brewery called Amagang, which is Belgian for a walkabout.

And they have a beer called Rare Voss, which means sly fox in Belgian. And it is a amber ale very middle of the road headed at my wedding. I have just so many good memories of having it. Like, it's delicious. It's what traditional, what you think of when you think of like medieval beer, like it's medieval table beer. So it's just very drinkable, very approachable, low ABV. it looks like the color of beer that you think of when you think of like a medieval beer like just kind of this brown amber drink the bottling is really cool i can't right it's it's brewed out of cooperstown new york and if you're ever in the area like that's a brewery that is just phenomenal to take a tour of it's like a trappist monastery that they built a brewery out of so it's really cool yeah um how many

horns do you have? So I have, I've got the primary, uh, like PR horn, which is not drinking. That's just like for sounding the PR alarm, which freaks my dog out every time I do it. Of course. She doesn't know what the hell to make of it. And then I have, I have three drinking horns. So when the, uh, the crew came over for the crew lift, big Steve was drinking out of, um, I found it out in some like Viking replica website where you could just buy these things.

I was like, I can't get just one because like I'm like I got to get something for my buddies too when they come over. So of course I got two. And I was like, oh, this isn't for hot drinks. And I want one that can do hot drinks. So now I have three. They all have wolf logos on them. They're all made out of like oxenhorn too. Yeah.

That one I had earlier is a Ramshorn, I think. Yeah. Yeah. So like I got to keep them off the ground because like the dogs want to try and eat like, the host of dogs, they're like bones that they can just eat. I have several, to be honest.

So the traditional style, I have two of those. I have one that is just a cup, right, with like a glued wooden bottom. And then I had one that had the glued wooden bottom with a handle. And my wife, she was like,

oh, I'm just going to pour you a coffee in this. And I went, don't. You're going to ruin the epoxy. She ruin the epoxy. So that one now is my creatine scooper because it cannot hold liquids anymore. Yeah.

Yeah, you've got to be careful with like all these. Like I've got all these like wooden tankards too. Like you just like that you think of like Lord of the Rings drinking out of the tankards. And none of them are dishwasher safe. No. So like it's it's just kind of funny to think about that like, oh yeah, I'm going to be drinking out of this man's man's glass. And it's like careful when I clean it though. like if your crew

you know about not dishwasher safe drinking you know devices we we've had one or two of those in our day here yeah yeah the old coffee mug I want to hear about the cake incident of 2008 oh god so so if you it's like feeding a gremlin after midnight

you just if you give me enough to drink and you don't feed me and you let me loose on a fridge late at night. Just be wary of what I'm going to do. Because like I have an insatiable appetite. Like I am, I will literally eat you out of house and home. So I was down visiting one of my buddies at his beach house and it was kind of like a

shoulder season. So every, there's no, no places giving delivery or anything, right? And he's got nothing in his fridge except one of my buddies brought a sheet cake. and like a graduation sheetcake. So this probably serves like 10 people.

And I think I had been drinking like, it was definitely hard alcohol of some kind. And I ate almost the entire sheetcake. Like my friends were horrified because they were like, this was, this is for like friends and family and Chris just consumed all of this. Like it was for like the next day kind of thing. Yeah, it was like for the next day kind of thing.

Yeah. It was like for the next, like, I think it was a graduation, like, ceremony the next day or something like a graduation party. And I ate the entire cake. So, like, not only is there no cake for anyone else, I ate it all. Of course, I just ate an entire sheet cake after drinking all night. So as you can imagine, that didn't sit too well. And I was at my friend's beach house. So, I mean, the natural.

And by the way, Tom, you're welcome if you're listening. for me going out into the lawn reeds and the tidal estuary behind your house but yeah I basically was doing my best impression impression of like feeding the baby birds back there yeah so don't let me near a sheetcake moral of the story you have no one to blame but yourself guys you knew

how was your have you gotten any better at planning trips to Orlando and getting the day trip? Oh, oh, Emily. So I, yeah, so we went, my wife and I went down to Disney and we're like, we went down as two adults and we don't go every year or anything, but we said, let's just go and have an adult Disney trip. And I said, Emily, let me take care of planning for all this. Like, let me just do it.

And she was like, okay, okay, you're sure. I said, yeah, let me deal with all of it. And I got VIP, like, behind the scenes, passes at Universal. So we didn't have to wait in any lines or anything. Like, you just go on this small group tour. And we go up to the will call for the tickets. I said, hey, you know, I'm Chris. This is my wife, Emily.

We're here for our VIP. They're like, yeah, you're not scheduled until tomorrow. It was like, what? And they're like, yeah, tomorrow. And I was like, oh, crap. I got the dates. Like, I totally flubbed the dates.

And luckily, they, they were able to just kind of like sneak us on the tour group. So it did all work out. But like my, the, like my wife wanted to say I told you so, like so badly because it was,

you know, just so just with that face the whole time. Just like, yep, you knew this was going to happen. Yeah. So, uh,

But yeah, no, it did all work out, but I did not, did not double check dates. So I have with the Lift Hardly, Veezy and Home Gymcons. Oh, I can't wait for you to show up the next weekend. Hopefully I'm not there a day early. Tanner's like, what are you, what are you doing here, man? Or even funnier, like you're in, you're in Louis, or not, it's Louisville this year? Yeah, it's Louisville this year. You're in Louisville, the week of the Lipt Hardly Veezy and you're like, oh, no.

Where is it? I show up in my singlet. to the conference center. There's just like an IRS accounting firm in there. Where is everybody? They're all having their big IRS

conference, yep. Sir, you're in the wrong place. Did your high school team never win a football game the whole time you were there? So I transferred to a private school and we went, I think we went 012.12.

And as I said, I put on all that. I was playing guard. at 5'10, I should tell you something. But yeah, teams were not good. We did have a good baseball program there, but the school I left from, Hockenden High School, actually had a really

good football team, and I went over to St. Mark's, and yeah, the football team was just not good. And I think there's a lot of good competition, too. Like, there were some good athletes on the teams, but I will tell you, It is tough going out there and giving it your all and blood sweat and tears to go to not win a game. It sucks. Like, it sucks.

But, yeah. Well, let's hear about some lift hard. So you're committed to the meat. You seem like you hurt your back every two days. Like, I don't know what's going on with that, man. You're always, and are you, every lift I see, it's like RP 11. And I'm like, what's he doing? We're like six months out.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Nice little build block and, you know, ramp up for a peak in a few months. Like, you got a lot of, what, how does, I guess, what's going on with that, buddy? Yeah, good question. So a lot of its ego, quite frankly, like, you know, I should have angry, you know, just intense. Not intense.

Yeah. I do bring, like, I do enjoy bringing a lot of intensity to lifting. And it is a lot of fun. But, you know, I've got to remind myself, too, that, like, Like, if the numbers aren't there, I can't just, like, you can't just willpower numbers, right? Like, no matter how much you want it. And I think, you know, getting back to the Lift Hard Live Easy, and this is probably a good, like, kind of check in along the way is like, hey, man, the strength will come if you just don't keep blasting intensity constantly. And like, I know I'm, you know, I'm 41 and that's still, it's, it's easy to tell someone that.

it's another thing to actually do it. You know, it's like, it's hard to put your foot off the throttle to know that, like, you get stronger at RPE's 7 and 8s and not just doing tens. And I know that. And I need to be. What are you doing for programming that? Are you doing your own thing and just kind of... No, I'm doing barbell medicines, uh, power building program.

And I've had good results with it. But are you actually? Like, like, are you, is it an RPE thing? And you're just being an asshole and saying that like RPEA, and you're going at 11? Like, is that the... I'm totally, I'm totally being that guy. Okay, well, don't do that.

Maybe... That's the problem. Maybe, maybe don't do that and either invest in a difference. No, keep doing it. Keep doing it. Almost cock wait all day. Joey, don't, don't...

No, God, no, I'm kidding. Evil, evil voice, the background. Anybody that knows me knows, I'm kidding. I'm beat, I'm beat the fuck up. Don't listen to me. No, I mean, like, it's a lot of it's just, like, you know, I want my numbers to be back where they were.

probably about three years ago and they're just not. And I'm like, I know I got it in there. Like maybe I can just find it again. It's like, yeah, man, I've been doing sets of 15 to 20 for the past three years. Like my CNS is just not ready to cooperate with me. And the muscles are just different. And I lost a lot of muscle too. So I'll get it back.

You know, I'm probably going to wind up working with a coach that just like keeps me honest about this sort of thing. And it's like, hey, man, that was an RP 10. Like if your neck vein is going to explode, it's probably not an RP7. Yeah, you might want to. I mean, because I feel like you're taking it really serious and why not invest? Like, we'll have any hundreds of dollars to talk you to get a coach for six months or, I mean, not even do that or just whatever, whatever you're comfortable with doing.

But like, I feel, I think you would definitely benefit from that and just be much happier with the end results. Because, yeah, I'm not as strong as I used to be on a lot of lifts. and it's fucking depressing and annoying and shitty, but it's like, I ain't going to try to hurt myself, man. I just don't hurt yourself because the worst thing is you hurt yourself now and then you either have to train hurt or take some time off. And then it's like you're just setting back,

getting to those numbers you want. Yeah, you can't get strong if you're injured, right? Yeah. Yeah, back tweaks suck too. Like, as a 41-year-old man, it's like you're just kind of dealing with it too all day. And it's like you wake up, it's uncomfortable. you go to bed, it's uncomfortable, rinse repeat. So it's a good lesson.

What can I do today? It's still like just to power through. But yeah, just stay active. That's the best thing is like I will say that if you're off your feet and you're just moving around it, we'll recover a lot better. You'll get there. You'll get some. I mean, it also like no one is literally like, I don't know what your best numbers are, but no one's going to give a shit. If you hit 10 pound PRs across the board or if you take.

total 300 pounds less than what your best meat is. Like, no one's going to give a fuck. Like, whatsoever. And I keep reminding myself that is like, I'm going more to just have good time meat felt crew. Because that's really, like, that's what I'm really looking forward to is the post meat, like drinks and just shooting the breeze with everybody. So, uh, yeah. No, it'll be a good time. Well, do you know what day you're coming in?

I think I'm coming in Thursday. So that could be either Wednesday or Friday based off of your ability. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, travel. God only goes, right? No, that would be good. We'll run to a cart. We'll fly into Minneapolis because I've heard

some of my horror stories about flying into Sioux Falls. There's pros and cons to all of that. Well, flying in Sioux Falls is fine. Flying into Aberdeen's ass, can be. Flying into Minneapolis is fine,

but then it's a fucking six-hour, it's five to plus hour drive. It's a gorgeous drive. It's just depending on what you're committed to do. And it's also, it's going to theoretically cost you like a third of the cost to get to Aberdeen.

So there's a lot of options. Just a matter of what you value your time or the risk of not making it. And there's, but it'll be fun. The Strongman on Friday is going to be a big difference. You guys could actually watch all this assholes out there Friday without happen to, because I feel like, I think that'll be the biggest pro this year, potentially. It's just like the other 50 people or the other hundred people from the other competition aren't going to be like, I don't give a fuck because I got a lift in like, and either either I just lifted and I don't give a fuck or I have to lift in,

three hours so I don't give a fuck. Like it's hard to get super amped up for your buddies when in the back of your head you either you already killed yourself or you have to go kill yourself on the platform. So it's, I'm jealous of the, uh, the strong man competitors because you guys get to do it and then you got the rest of the weekend to just live easy.

Yeah. It'll be, it'll be, uh, yeah, I don't know. It's going to be a, it's going to be fun.

I'm looking forward to it. No, no drinking with Joey till 1 a.m. Matt. And then missing way ins, Matt. Yeah. I might let my hair down a little bit more this year.

I don't believe you. I think I'm going to get super fucking drunk Friday. Like, because why not? Four beers? I don't know. I had like fucking 12 in December or so maybe. We'll see. What else we got?

We got a lot of, where are we got? We got to get in some games. Is there anything else you need to cherry pick before we get into FMK? Actually, I just want to point out, yes. there's a ton. Oh no. And I do think that this could be a six-hour podcast with all of the stuff I have on you

that me and you. You started telling me you needed to be in bed by nine. Yeah, absolutely. And move it along. But, you know, we can't. Obviously, we can't. Nobody wants to listen to that long of a podcast. But I do honestly think with all of the information

I have here on you, you and I could talk for six hours. And it would still be listenable. We're not going to do that. because that would be insane. But I do, I think Keith is right. We do have to move on. Both of us, well, I have to be up at 4.30 tomorrow morning,

so I'm not going to be up for very much longer. I think the, is the rooster story funny or sad? Sad. The Ripley, sad. No, the rooster story has a happy ending. Okay. I guess tell the rooster story in like under three minutes or so, and then we'll get into games.

Rooster story was the last. I let my dog off leash outside in Western Mass because she was out playing with the German Shepherd when I was visiting my buddy Greg. And as soon as I took her off leash, my friend goes, hey, just so you know, my neighbor has chickens. And I was like, oh, no. How long after, like, he knew your dog wasn't on a leash? Did he say that? Like, maybe five seconds. So I was literally, I was like, oh, I was like, oh.

hey, I'll let her off leash because she wants to play with this other dog, this German Shepherd. So I let her off leash and my body was like, dude, my neighbors have chickens. I was like, oh no. I got you. So she blows right past the other dog, goes into the neighbor's yard, comes back and is doing laps around a field with a chicken in her mouth. I'm like, oh, God, the neighbor's going to come out with like a shotgun and like, I don't know these. I don't know anybody out here. We're in the middle of nowhere.

Finally get a hold of her. Get the chicken out of her mouth. But before I'm able to leash her, she runs off again, goes back, gets the rooster, and is now running around with the rooster in her mouth. Luckily, she, because she has a retriever in her,

probably some lab, was like soft carrying these things. And they were both alive. She didn't kill him. and we were shocked but they both like both the chickens like the chicken and the rooster just kind of had this confused look on their face

and uh and like the neighbor came out and was like yeah it's okay it's just their nature and that's the end of it and uh yeah probably the happiest day of her life though I've been kicked by a rooster I think your dog got off lucky on that one because she got a couple scrapes on her

oh geez yeah a couple scrapes like it was uh that rooster was a like roosters are jerks yeah in pecking order right like they aren't not nice animals all right

well we'll have to get you on for you know round two here in a few years but I think we've we can actually save these show notes because there's a bunch of stuff we didn't hit on but I think we got to move on so FMK

are you familiar at the game there big Chris sure I am all right so we're going to give him going to give him three choices he has to F1, marry one kill one so pretty simple straightforward to anyone's listening for the first time. So FMK, Christian Bale, Henry Cavill, Kiana Reeves, and I'm going to go with essentially

like not the actor, like not the human, but just like either their entire like, I don't know, basically their acting premise or characters they played, however you want to break it down, but like take the actual human out of it. Yeah, sure. I mean, because it's like Christian

Bale, like he may or may not be an actual nice person in person, but like, whereas Kenner reason is the nicest person in the world. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Like obviously is like,

but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but,

but, but, but, take, take, the, you know, what you see. So, so, so, name, uh,

movie characters. But then it's like, well, there's so many for some of them. It's like, John Wick and Neo, like, like, you know what I mean?

Like, Henry Cavill was Superman and the witcher. Christian Bale was, who else was, who else was basically just been Batman. As far as this world goes. yeah i mean but he's been in so many like he was um you know like he was in the prestige which they called out on one of the they did yeah podcast he was in the machinist which was incredible

that was a weird one for amazing american psycho really good yeah um i don't know i mean i probably think is like a body of work i'd probably yeah let's go body of work i like i'd probably marry Christian Bale I'd probably fuck Keanu Reeves and I'd have to as much as it kills me I'd have to kill Henry Cavill because like he he's relatively new to the scene

right is it cabal? Do I pronounce it wrong when I say Cavill? You said Cavill I think Am I saying it wrong? I don't really know what the right way is I would say Cavill I think it's Cavill the two L's I think would give me an ill I'd only say that because that's how I like see it

set on like random YouTube videos Whenever the British pronunciation Cavill. I was an awful British accent. Good answers. I'll take that. I actually just rewatch the entire Matrix series like the last couple weeks.

Oh yeah, I disagree. I would marry Cana Reeves' body of work at the drop of a hat. I do like Keanu's. I like a lot of his speed. Well, point breaks. The Matrix. It's hard to...

Point break. John Wick. I mean, the Wick, yeah, it really kind of resurrected his career, too. like he's he's like just seemingly such a nice guy too like that's the thing is you can't get away from him it's like I want to just nice lovable guy he's got like such sad shit that's happened to him like in his real life too I want to just go that's depressing I've said it before and I'll say it again the greatest action hero in America is canna Reeves I mean every movie he has ever done has changed the industry and set box office record speed did not exist before speed

the matrix did not exist before the matrix John Wick did not exist before John Wick and every movie since then has tried to be those he has he has redefined action in every action movie he's ever been in and has gotten no credit for being an action hero because of Bill and Ted he will always be seen as Bill and and Ted. And it's funny because, like, he's one of the few guys. I don't, I don't necessarily know how

great of an actor he is, but like, he can both do serious roles and comedic stuff, which is hard. Like, there aren't too many actors that can do that, right? Like, they usually are just like, I mean, you know, the Rock has tried to do comedic stuff and it just kind of falls flat, right? Because, well, his comedic stuff is based on, I'm the Rock. Yeah. Right. And that works, sometimes. So, like, Liam Neeson has the tendency. Like, he could, actually, let's not even go Liam Neeson, let's go Christopher Walken.

Christopher Walken as a comedic actor is going to be great because Christopher Walken leading up to it was the most serious actor in the effing world. It's Christopher damn walking. He was in Pulp Fiction. He was in the prophecy. I was the most dangerous guy you've ever met. And now I'm here being a silly guy.

And it works. And the same with Liam Neeson. That's why I think the Naked Gunn movie is going to be so funny. I've yet to watch it. But it's because like when you see Liam Neeson, you don't see comedy. But when you see Canna Reeves, he's the same guy in every movie. I'm still being, I'm still doing the Christopher Walk in it. I'm sorry.

It's the same guy in every movie. But yeah. Have you seen the YouTube video of all of Keenna's, Rieves woes spliced together. No. I don't go watch that. It's pretty, it's just him saying,

whoa, and every, everything he's been. And it's so funny, because he said it, you know, it's, it's like Matthew McConaughey

saying it all right. Yeah. All right. All right. Anyway, so that's my argument for Cano Reeves. Again,

but he's Canadian, so I have to back him. My turn? Yeah, before you get in there, I do want to call out one of your ass friends like Mount Rushmore, porn sites.

Not going to ask him that. Yeah, not going to ask him that. So, like, thanks for disregarding our requests in the show notes. Oh, speaking of that. I have a guess of who that was, Dave. It's sandwiched in between, like, real answers, but then it's still just, it's like,

you know, a relevant answer, porn sites or another relevant answer. It's like, oh, thanks, buddy. We all know there's only one. I know who that was. But speaking of that, Did you see what happened to Siri? Grock Doxter.

So, Siri. I don't know what a GROC is. Oh, shut up, phone. Grock is the AI on X, formerly Twitter. Put out her legal name. That's shitty. Yeah, it was really bad. She's protected that for years and years and years and years.

Like, I didn't even have that. nobody has had that. Yeah, because we couldn't like talk about her powerlifting so much because then they could find her open powerlifting and then find her name and then... Exactly. And then... Yeah. Yeah, so Grok put out her real name. Then that's pretty shitty.

It's not good. Yeah. Anyway, big ups to Siri. Shut up, phone. Next step, my turn. And I'm going to go weird on this one. I'm going to go very super specific on this one. this one, as you knew I would, because based on everything we've talked about, and based on the fact

that I've been playing it for the hundred time. Mount Rushmore, including Alien Face, if you want, of Batman villains in the Arkham video game series. Oh, oh. So, Mr. Freeze is one of the best boss battles in that entire game. So I love Mr. Freeze's boss battle. which one he's uh from city

from city where you have to kind of it's like a stealth boss battle and you can't do the same attack more than once yeah you can't do the same like he learns throughout it and like at the time when that came out that blew my mind so that one was really cool uh i love the over the top bane design in that he's like he's like a hundred feet tall

like a hundred feet tall like a turrito cables yeah uh it's it's totally insane in like the best possible way in his head's tiny so and you never really have to fight him it's actually one of the easiest fights in the game it is yeah because he just runs into stuff and then you just have to jump on his back in and pull out the yeah the different cables to his back so so like just the design of that for being so ridiculous. I love. The Poison Ivy one, Poison Ivy in asylum

was really cool because it's like the entire greenhouse you have to fight through. And then you only have certain moments where she's like opened up and it's a huge plant. So like the scale that's really cool. So I'd have to say Poison Ivy. The

death stroke fight is cool too because like you're just fighting another guy. So it's kind of like it's less of a traditional boss battle where there's one big guy versus in city. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

And I like, I like, I like Rosel Gould. I just love Rosal Gould as a villain. I think he's so cool. So I'd throw him on as my alien. All right. It is weird what they did to Bain.

How, like from the nightfall series where he was still. like and and Christian Bales Batman did a little bit of this how he was like the most dangerous villain in all of Batman yeah so smart and so strong and so powerful and then they turned him into this big dumb like yeah he's just a big dumb lucha lucha librae wrestler yeah it's if you read the comics he's like his backstory's really tragic like he was born into prison for a crime his dad committed. And like he's supposed to be this foil to Batman where he's like, what if Batman just got

consumed by vengeance, right? And just got like consumed. So it's like the dark side, which is such a cool superhero trope. And they've done it a million times where it's like, hey, it's you, but you chose, you know, ex path instead of why. And I love the, the like cracked mirror image of yourself type. villain. It's a really cool way. Like, it's a cool storytelling dynamic.

And they turned him into the in the movie. What was the one movie with Uma Thurman where the wrestler played him? He just like, return. What was the third? Was that, was the Forever Returns, right? That was Batman and Robin.

I think he was in, wasn't he? With Arnold. There were so many. There was like, there was like four of them in like a three-year span. It felt like. And that's why seeing him as Tom Hardy as him,

everybody complains, oh, he wasn't that big, he wasn't that. Like, he doesn't need to be. He never needed to be. He needed to be exactly what Tom Hardy was until the ending. Then the ending was just stupid. I'll tell you, I love the coat that he wears in that. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It is like, and he walks holding it.

Dude is just, like, where did he find this thousand and thousands of dollar, like leather? shirling trim jacket probably to prove a point, right? That like Gotham was corrupt. Yeah, that was dope. Anyway, good answers.

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You don't want to be unpaid for anything. Absolutely, absolutely. So we're all going to give Chris and Joey here and I are going to give them a handful of topics. He says to decide which one's which. So unpaid or underrated tortilla slap challenges. criminally underrated. Everyone should do it with their wife. You have to fill your mouth filled with water, take a tortilla, and slap your significant

in the face. There's some of my favorite videos to watch. One of her laughs first, loses. And if you guys get through the first round of it, you're a better man than I am because I get like, I just. Like, how do you judge how much, like, like, like. you're not trying to hurt the person, obviously. But like, how do you...

It's a tortilla, though. Just go for it. Have you seen the videos? Dude, my wife would fucking cut my dick on my smacked on my smear in the face with anything. Some people go so wild. I know. And it's like, are you trying to hurt your husband? Also, if she fucking smacked me like that, I wouldn't.

A light slap like you challenge, challenge someone to a duel. Okay, that's fair. A tortilla duel. Yeah, exactly. You're not slap boxing with water in your mouth, throw the tortell. Some asshole could, like, slip and really fucking, like, hurt someone. All right.

Unpaid or underrated Goodwill hunting the movie. So I hate Goodwill Hunting. Unpaid. So being from the Greater Boston area, that movie has a wrap for, like, be, and, you know, my buddies listening to this are going to bust my chops. Because I, whenever we talk about that movie. Yeah, everybody loves it. And I'm like, that movie is trash.

I hate Matt Damon, movies trash, the whole thing's garbage. It's a bunch of guys like, I just don't like the protagonist. Like, what's there to like about something that comes extremely easy to someone? And then they just take it for granted and have a little, you know, identity crisis because the world's being handed to them on a platter. Like, sorry, that doesn't resonate. So I don't like it. I know Matt Damon is from the area, like him and Ben Affleck, but I constantly talk about how bad his accent was in The Departed.

So that's the thing, too, is that, like, these guys from Boston, like, Mark Wahlberg does a terrible Boston accent. Yeah, he does. You're from Dorchester. You're from Boston. Like, how do you not, if you get a couple beers in me, I'll, like, my accent, comes out more if I have something to drink. But like those guys are from the the traditional Irish part of Boston and they still have

terrible Boston accents. It's the it's the scene where he's like the cop and he's taking notes and he goes out, what was the name? And the other cop goes, what name? He goes the name of the depadid. And I was like, I hate this movie. As soon he said depotted, I was like, this movie sucks. That's a terrible accent.

I was so mad about it. Out of all those like Boston crime movies, I do like the town. I think Ben Affleck's kind of like the best of that group, which is probably an unpopular opinion, but whatever. Like I like Ben Affleck. And he's a good director. And I like the town. It's fun. So yeah, but Goodwill Hunting sucks.

Hot take. Wow. Out with one out. Hate it. Unpaid or underrated. I'm only going to ask. this because I don't know what it is. Grimfrost.

Grimfrost. Grimfrost. G-R-I-M-F-R-O-S-T. Is that a typo somewhere? No, I added it. Oh, okay. I don't know what grimfrost is. Then I'll recant that one and go with...

Can I explain? Is that a mead or a drink? Okay, you're going to want to look into that because that's actually where all of my drinking horns have come from. Well, that's Joey. Okay. Yes. Yeah, that's...

I put that one in there. So all of my drinking horns, Grimfrost is the singer from Ammona Marth. Okay. Yep. Okay. I know you're also in the metal and I've had to talk about it. This is like the subgenre of Viking metal. Yes.

I've never really like gone down this room. So I'm aware of it as a thing. Yes. Amonemarth is Viking metal. Their singer, he has an entire brand called Grimfrost where they do Viking relics. and like remakes of them. So I have beard rings, but my drinking horns are from there.

Everything that I have that's like Viking adjacent is pretty much from Grimfrost. They ship directly from Sweden. You do want to check that out. But yes, Keith, please choose another one. Sorry. Unpaid or underrated, relevant for today. And we almost forgot to talk about it.

The 8-bit bodybuilding flag. And elaborate on that one deeply, please. underrated and a giant obvious missing hole in the massonomics lineup might I add that I had to take on myself to create because Tanner and Tommy wouldn't make one. So I was like, why do we have a strong man and a powerlifting one? But like, you know, the other people in the gym that are there all the time are bodybuilders. So I went on like what I did was I went on Chap GBT. I went on SORA and I kept feeding images into it to try and get 8 bit and finally got like you probably worked on it for over like an hour just like feeding it giving it alterations then took the image that it produced of the guy flexing and then use the rest in Photoshop to just like crop and put in the massonomics logo took it to a third part printer and they printed out the banner and I made two of them because I knew they were coming

for the for the gym tour and I wanted to surprise them with one. They showed up, I gave it to them and I said, listen, I'm happy to share. This is all your guys imagery anyway. As far as I'm concerned, it's all yours. And, you know, if you guys want to do what you will with it, I'll send to the high-res photos. And I got a message about a month ago saying, hey, We're going to release this as the third flag in this series. And we're going to send you an artist proof of it, which I've got down in my basement now. So I've got two bodybuilding flags, the original and now the first of the Massonomics flags. And it went up for sale today.

And it's just like, it's so cool. And, you know, I was saying at the beginning it's all about like building community. It's so cool to me to think that like a guy who grew up and has such a huge. interest in like art but doesn't really have any artistic ability was able to build something out that now is going to be hanging in a bunch of people's gyms throughout the country in the world and it's just like to to like be able to walk into a random gym and see potentially a flag I helped create on the rafters or on the wall is like just so cool it's so cool that is so cool uh two follow ups on that briefly uh there was the highland game

games eight bit, wasn't there? So they're technically the fourth iteration race. I didn't want anyone to be like, well, you guys are wrong? That's not a flag or just a shirt? A flag.

That's true. It might have only been the shirt. Good call. It might not have been a flag. I don't know. But then also, so here's here's a, here's a touchy question. Did you,

you might even covered it in the YouTube video, I don't recall. Did you get permission before you started throw in their brand around and shit and getting this image printed because that's a little fucking, uh, veteran founded bullshit there.

if you didn't get Tanner's thumbs up first. So I never, so all I did was use the, all I did was use the prompt of like create a bodybuilder in an eight bit image. Oh no, I get it's all like that it. So like the, using the massonomics logo,

I all cropped and put together like after feeding. Yeah, no, no, no, I got it. I just, I didn't know if you had, it was the first time they saw it when it was at your gym or did you? Yeah, well, the first time they saw it. I thought it was, so yeah, I mean, I was kind of taking a roll of the dice. No, they obviously didn't care.

We don't want, we don't want every Tom Dick and Harry out there to start throwing their logo and other stuff. But that's cool because at least that was like an homage. It wasn't like, I was just Joe, you weren't trying to steal anything from or anything. But like that could. No, no. I mean, I made it. I basically kind of like made it as a gift for them.

That is pretty cool. That is all. Did you notice when you look at them side by side? Did Tommy get it and fuck with it at all and like make it more artistic? Yeah, he did. He did make some like. small changes to it. So like some of the alignment is like ever so slightly different.

So, uh, yeah. But like it's, it's 90% the same thing. It's 90% the same. But like there are weeks and changes. That is pretty cool. You can definitely hang your hat on that. It's pretty cool. Did you get a shout out or anything in the, uh, yeah.

It's in the, uh, if you, if you go to the like the sale page, is there. Yeah, there's a little blip says like, you know, design inspired by, uh, crew member, big Chris. That's awesome. Nobody, nobody will know. who that is. No, because you know,

because you have 17 different handles. You have a Discord handle. You have an Instagram handle. You have a name. Depending on who knows you. You, you, Chris isn't even your name to most people. So you are a man of mystery. But all right.

I'm all set. You're, okay, my turn. Unpaid or underrated, the TV show Vikings. So I think it's underrated. I think it's like, I think it's not, I mean, it's obviously not, like, 100% historically accurate, but I do like the fact that, you know, they deal with putting away a lot of the misconceptions about Vikings as like these brutish, like, you know, they weren't, like, they don't have any of their own culture and they're just like fighters.

And it's like actually Vikings were like poets and war was a big part of their culture. But like they had an agrarian component to their society too, were really strong fishermen. And had this really, you know, broad-based culture that I think is really fascinating that the show does a good job of demonstrating and the fact that it wasn't like one cohesive unit. Like the Vikings fought with each other all the time, too. It's not like they were just like pillaging and raiding all of Saxony forever. It's like they were fighting each other too. But it's really remarkable how far their influence grew and how big their exposure were to other cultures in their heyday. Like they made it.

They were shipbuilders and shipmen. And they were willing to go and not see the coast. And very few people at that period were willing to do that. So like props to that show, there aren't enough Viking show. Like, where are the Viking movies? Like I want more Viking movies. like, it's a, and like good ones. Yeah.

Yeah, otherwise. I was, I came out and wasn't what I was expecting. So. I didn't, I didn't like the one with the, I think it was called Viking, wasn't it? Like a few years ago with the tall blonde guy, Alan, sir, the guy that was in true blood. That was really weird. I didn't love that one. You're thinking of the Norseman.

The Norseman, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that wasn't what, it was one of the Scars guards. And it just, it wasn't what people were expecting. Yeah, that's a comedy show. That's a weirdly Swedish comedy show. Yeah, I didn't like that one. I thought that was hilarious.

I think it's Vikings Vahala. If you haven't watched that. That was the follow-up. Yeah, that was Eric the Redson. Yeah, I'm up to date on that one. I think there's two or three seasons. Like, it's not bad. Yeah.

It's not great. It's not as good as the original, right? It's slightly worse than Predator Badlands. To put it in reference. It's like a six out of seven, you know. It's not a seven out of seven, a scar would put it, but it's a six out of seven. Okay, unpaid or underrated, a spray tan. Yeah.

Well, well, is it like, part of it, so like a little part of me is like, well, it is kind of underrated. Because like, you know, probably most guys could stand to get a spray. Rastatan and like if you wash it off it does kind of look better but let me paint the picture of what this is a grown

41 year old man you have a sock over your junk that is it you walk in with a complete stranger who basically hoses you down with freezing cold like spray

and you have to stay still it takes forever to dry, depending on the room you're in. You're standing there buck naked with a sock over your weaner until it's dry. And if you have to go to the bathroom after about an hour, which you're not planning for, like, what are you going to do? Leave? Like, you're going to pee in the sock. Otherwise, you just go to sit there and hold it while you're looking like a rotisserie chicken. And by the way,

that stuff makes a mess when you try and take it off you. So don't go in a shower that you care for. Like just have somebody hose you down outside or something. Yeah. Go get the hose water. Yeah. We used to be a proper country and just hose it down in the backyard. I thought, I know a lot of bodybuilders complain about that.

So I wanted to add that. So weird. The whole actual. actual state. Did you end up landing then? It sounds like did you, did you end up giving us a final answer on that one? So yeah, I'm not going to fence it on it. I would say it's unpaid. Stephanie did

one like fucking, probably 20 years ago now before she went to on like a Bahamas trip or something and I think she went way too dark without realizing it. And then she immediately was like, I can't do this. And you had to take a shush. She's like she basically spent like a hundred dollars to do it and they came home and took a shower and washed it all off. But then the tub like the tub will not all. She attempted

to wash some of it off. But the tub was disgusting for like a week. Like I was in there with like a magic eraser trying to like get it off the slippery-ass floor. The top is like, what the fuck did you do to our shower? Unpaid or underrated. Oh, this is my last one. I have to choose between these two. Strawberry coffee.

Oh, underrated, criminally underrated. If you can find a proper flavored ice coffee of strawberry ice coffee in the summertime, it's like a coffee, like a strawberry, if you get ice. too. It's like a strawberry coffee iced milkshake. It sounds heavenly. I don't really understand how companies infuse flavor into beans and still make it only five calories. Like whatever wizardry exists behind that, I'm totally behind like props to modern medicine or modern science for that. Because like, holy smokes, did it get me through some dark cutting days where like I was so hungry. and just like this coffee is phenomenal. So if you can find any version of iced coffee where strawberries in it, have it. There's something in Rhode Island called an awful awful that's like a version of that that is phenomenal.

Big Brandon, if you're listening, you'll know what it is. Yeah. Good stuff. Underrated. He is not listening. He is a good friend of mine, but I know he does not listen to our. podcast. He has an open invite to get on whenever he wants and he's just like, I don't really listen the podcast anymore. Okay. Well, I think you passed on paid and underrated. So we can air this episode.

Do you have, do you get the reverse your new card? Do you want to flip on us? Do you anything you want to chat about? Oh, so I do have one kind of big question and then one smaller question. So the big question for both of you is if you could go back in time, you have, you've got the Delorean, go back in time, and you go back to 17, 18, 16 year old versions of yourself, and you can give them one piece of lifting advice, weight lift, or just some kind of training advice, diet advice, something about health and fitness. Like, it can be specific, like, hey, you're going to be going for a 305 log press one day. don't do it.

Like, or whatever. What is it and why? For me, it's easy. It's literally just don't wait until you're 29 to start lifting. Like, I dicked around in the gym in high school, like, in between working like 30 hours a week, I feel like. So I didn't really, you know, during the summer, I, everyone else was hitting in the wait room and stuff. I was like, I had to go to work. Like, I didn't have the luxury to go to the weight room.

I mean, I probably should have. I should have made it happen. I just didn't. And then, like, I just, I didn't do shit. I was just an inactive slug from like 18 to 29. So just getting into the gym, realizing that how good it is for a mental health and that I can help like, you know, it is not therapy, but it sure does help depression a little bit. So, uh, and anxiety, just getting into the gym. The, the amount of people that I could have met in the last in the, if I had started a decade earlier, how many more?

Because some of my best friends right now, like are people I've met either in the gym or through this community, which is also gym related. So, like, I have a lost decade of life where I just did nothing of value for my mental or physical health, essentially. So just starting a decade earlier because now I'm a decade fucking behind. And, like, the game, like, maybe I'll never pull 500 from the floor because I didn't start looking until I was 30. Like, I don't know. But that's me. Um, yeah. Don't listen to your gym teachers.

They're idiots. Eventually, one day you will like this. Go to wrestling school like you wanted to. I literally lived walking distance from a professional wrestling school. They invited me in. I did a tour and said, I don't have the time. I was fucking like 18. I had all the time in the world.

You had dink time. time back then. Yeah. And I talked to myself out of going to wrestling school. There is an alternative universe in which that Joey was like, no, I'm going to do this. And I was a professional wrestler right now.

And I just didn't because my gym teachers made me hate fitness, like with a passion. They made, we've talked about it on this podcast before. Keith knows all about this. My gym teachers made me hate fitness because they were such, dicks and favored the bullies to the point

where I just didn't want to do it I was like this is not fun this is not good no there's no benefit to come from this you just thank Steve where you just look you're just one of these guys actually if that's Steve he can back me on this because he was probably

there with me the whole time I could have been a professional wrestler if I had gone at that point and done it yeah and gone for it yeah and then didn't get into actual fitness till I was 35, right? I think it's a, it's a very common story that either bad coaches or bad mentors or bad gym teachers or

or physicians, you know, that not even necessarily are bad people, but just either don't understand what they're talking about, don't mean, like, or just don't mean well can detract a lot of people from getting into fitness. Yeah.

I think it's a very common. story. Like, I hate the, I hate the narrative of, you know, people are fragile. We've got to be careful. We've got to be that. It's like, you've got to build up resilience, right? And the only way you're going to do that is by pushing yourself. Right. And like, there's the other extreme where coaches are assholes and all they do is just grind it down. But I think there's a happy medium. No, great, great answers from both. The next question I have, Joey, this is, uh, Probably more for you, but if you had to choose to listen to one song, one album in your home gym from Metallica. From Metallica.

It's only Metallica. Your only options are S&M or Garage Inc. Which of the two would why? Oh my God. Like, I don't even get to choose St. Anger. Like, St. Anger would be, come on. Only S&M and Garage Inc. only those two.

It would be garage ink because at least less claypools in it. Yeah. Like, at least I have that luxury. Whiskey in the jars on it, right? On disc two or something?

Yeah. Turn the pit. I actually, so like, I like turn the page that they did the cover of too. Yeah. Still not as good as the one of those

cables in. Those were my big questions for you guys. I really, I wanted to hear your take on the time machine. previous self, but that was a good one. It's good advice. Very brief before we go. Are you a hockey guy?

I'm being in Boston. Are you a hockey fan? A hell of it. Hockey? Yeah. I mean, I'm a Bruins fan, for sure. Well, I just want to break, because no one else I don't want to work with watches sports at all, really. It was just annoying. I watched the documentary on the 1980, like hockey team.

Oh, yes. The Olympics, right? Yeah, it was, yeah, the, yeah, it was a very, good. So like, it's the movie Miracle from like the 2004, like Kurt Russell movie, to harken back to a couple weeks ago, the Kurt Russell podcast. So the Kurt Russell movie. Anyway, so this was like a documentary of that. So it was like all the dudes and like their 60s and 70s who were like 20 in the 80s. Very, very good documentary. Like I don't, I mean, I'll watch documentaries, but I don't like love them. But that was a, I can't remember the name of it, but it was like highly rated on IMBD too. So if anyone is a hockey fan, go watch the one that was about the miracle, you know, the actual 1880s. 80s hockey team where they took down the Russians and then beat Finland for the gold medal Switzerland, Finland, I think it was whichever. But anyway, nonetheless, I figured as a Boston guy, you probably know what hockey is. I do.

Yeah. No, I'm a Bruins fan for sure. Awesome. Well, I think that'll wrap this up. We can start winding her down. Big Chris, where are they going to find you yet, buddy? You know, you've got a, you got a mini a handle. And, you know, we'd like to spell it out here, too, as Rory introduced.

Yeah, you guys can find me at friendly neighborhood lift. which just is spelled traditionally. It's all one big word, friendly neighborhood lifter on Instagram. Find me there. You'll see video games, comic books, lifting,

recipes, dogs, whatever other kind of nonsense I'm up to. Love it. Big Joey where you get? Joey underscore Mlesco, M-L-E-C-S-K-O on Instagram, and that's actually it.

Awesome. We get the Instagram, unpaid and underrated podcast website Unpaid Internpodcast.com where I usually give Nate all kinds of credit for building it but he finally broke down and told us like it's just a it's not something he built I think he just auto-populate

some stuff on there and it just does it itself and Nate didn't do anything with it and he's busy doing other stuff apparently and you know he uh I think I think it was just in a random text he was like yeah I don't actually build the website and I was like oh okay I didn't have that on my radar I'll tell you that I know so

so I guess I will never give Nate credit for anything ever again. He doesn't build anything. He's just, you know, I don't know. I don't know what he's been doing, but he's been, he's been missing. He's, he's been, am I? Wrong again, Keith. Well, at least I have told you guys so many times that I did not build the podcast website.

It's made by our podcast host, Fireside. I maintain all of the information on the site, but no, I did not write the raw HTML for the podcast. website, but you should check it out. Unpaid Internpodcast.com. We put all kinds of stuff there. Links, Instagrams. Check it out.

I didn't build it, but I maintain it. Sorry. Go to Glacurch. This is where I would usually plug the YouTube, but I'm going to replace that with now the Discord channel. So Unpaid Underrated has a little sub-channel on Massonomics Discord, so go chat with us in there

because we love hearing what you think of the podcast. I am Keith Honeycutt 73 on Instagram. More importantly, go follow my Orange Gym the no wine cellar. Until then, see you next Tuesday.