Unpaid And Underrated - 153 : A Problem With Purple (ft. Big Matt of Porter PhysEd Fitness)

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Matt from Porter PhysEd Fitness. They dive right into great topics like modern comedy, home gyms, being mad, dates, and Game of Thrones. Links Ü&Ü Hoodie Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab Get Your Own Keith Head Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast Our Guest On Instagram @porter_physed Online at porterpef.com Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar @joey_mleczko Special Guests: Big Andy, Big Matt, and Dr. Big Jake.

Okay. All right, everybody, welcome back to unpaid and underrated. The podcast for, crew, by crew, relentlessly mocked by crew, and hailed from all sections of the country. I am one of your hosts, Big Joey. I am joined, as always, by Big Keith. Howdy, howdy? We have a couple other folks here, too. I've got Big Mac Porter. Hey.

I got Big Andy here. Hey, everybody. And Big Jake is back for the. the second week in a row. Crazy stuff. Crazy stuff. Happy to see you. This is episode 34786.

I don't know what that means. But it means we've been doing this way too long. It means we're old. Yeah, we beat the sisters for sure with that number. Ten years is in the rear room here. Yeah. Is anybody drinking anything cool or did we just move on from that? Oh, because some nice hot tea for my six.

ass. You should drink it. Don't, don't... Yeah, yeah. It's not going up. It's not intimate tea. It's just herbal tea. Yeah, don't, don't...

That way. Don't put that up there. That's hot. Hot toddy. There you go. I'm rocking a fridge stick to wind down, as usual. Oh, God.

I couldn't imagine don't caffeine at 7 o'clock. I can avoid that. I'm working on a Italian sparkling mineral water. Very nice. Andy? Nothing exciting. Just a prime sour nova, but in a new Bucky's Coozy.

So that's exciting. That is exciting. I tried a new, God, I wish I had the name. It just says sport drink. I got it at Costco. And like, I like my electrolytes. I have them every morning.

You know, the magnesium always helps regulate through the day. And I was drinking it. And I had like this weird flavor. It's cherry pomegranate. And I thought to myself, this tastes funny to me. I don't understand why. So today I tried the lemon lime. Same thing.

It just tastes funny. 400 milligrams of sodium. Jesus. So I'm used to 200. And I was like, that's what tastes funny. It's like I'm licking a sidewalk after an ice storm. Like this thing tastes like sidewalk salt. Yeah, so that's new.

I might go down to half a dose on those until this bag is gone. But, like, it has no sugar. So I was like, okay, it's pretty cheap. I'm pretty excited. Yeah, yeah, 400 milligrams of sodium. That'll do me in every time. I wonder my stomach was so upset. Can you talk about sidewalk salt?

I have no idea what you guys are even talking about. Where are you from? Where are you from? Florida. Oh, yeah, that'll do it. Yeah. So we put salt on the sidewalks because, you know how like once every five years

Florida freezes and all of you guys freak out and die we just live with that we just live with that all the time to March yeah I love seeing I love seeing videos of people in Florida when their sidewalk has like the slightest amount of ice and they just they all eat shit

for hours because nobody knows how to walk on ice and we're all up here just skating down the road I mean not south enough and I mean, just outside of Tampa, so it's like I don't even have that. Like, I've never seen snow. No. You've never seen. Never seen snow.

Like your whole life, just in Florida. My entire life. Never seen snow. That's so sad. That is crazy. We get so excited for snow here. Yeah. We get so excited for the first snow and then by the 10th, we get pissed.

Like, that's how the north works. We're like, okay, that's enough. Like, we're done with this. I see an unpaid underwere. rated shirt. You know it. Inogural journey of the unpaid and underrated shirt, in fact. In what sense?

I just got it. Oh, nice. Hell yeah. Did you get the last one in your size? Sure did, pal. Yeah, there was only a handful left. Those are like a... Had to be on the right side of airwave history.

They're not officially sold out. There might be like a small left. I'm not sure. Well, that size at least, maybe. Who knows? I see a strength coat. No, buddy caps. That's right.

Got to represent Keith, what do you got? I don't know, the brick gym shirt. I got the natural light, not doing anything important today. Yeah, I'm just rocking my shirt from work. It's like a long sleeve, like a sun hoodie. Very nice, very nice.

That'll skip that. I like the hat. Is that a Porter-Fizz-Ed patch hat? Or is that like an embroidered? It's an embroidered, yep. Nice. It's dope. All right, Keith.

I've done enough talking. Take over. Yeah. I guess we'll get some of the negative stuff out of the way first. We won't go into too many details, but I kind of like, I'm just, I was very disappointed and proud of her crew this weekend.

There was, you know, a certain individual that made some very, like, uncrew, like comments. Stupid. Stupid. Like, Bozo didn't even the right word because it's like,

at least bozos are forgivable, but, you know, made some very off, off color foul comments, you know, got caught out on it. tried to defend it, that it was just a joke, bud, it was just a joke, pal.

Learn how to take a joke, pal. Deleted the comment for you, Keith. I'm like, you didn't delete it for me, buddy. You deleted it because you shouldn't have fucking said it. And then you doubled, you doubled down, then you tripled down. And, yeah, I think he saw his self out of Peru, to my understanding, or at least out of the Discord.

So, no, he... Yeah, so I almost feel bad, but not really, because, like, if you're ever in that situation, it's pretty easy to be like, oh, shit, my bad, I didn't, uh, I didn't get the vibe of the room. Sorry guys. Not, it was a joke, pal, like, like, fuck you, dude. So good riddins, whatever. Uh, it was good to see a handful of crew come together and kind of call him out on it. So good for us. Sucks for Tanner and Tommy. They lost, like, three dollars, but what we earned back in our, uh, you know, pride of being

a part of that group, I think was worth it because I don't want to be associated with that kind of hate. So that was, that was about that. Um, a lot of people were confused by that. I think I, you know, I, it just kind of is what it is. If you missed it, you missed it, but it was... This might now become an in-person story. It might be one of those where it's like... I think I filled in mostly squat videos, Matt, and I actually messaged Tanner.

I was like, did you see what happened? And Tanner was like, no. So I gave him kind of the Cole's notes. And he goes, that explains why he canceled his membership this morning. And I was like, yep, sorry, dude, but also not sorry. No. But, yeah, I mean, there was a real thing. some people that were like, oh, I don't really care what he said. And I'm just like, I'm just here to have a silly goose time. And I'm like, I get that, but you get to have, you have the privilege of having that silly goose time of this hate free zone. Because occasionally when some asshole pokes her head out of the sand and shows their colors, we kind of squish them, like, you know, and if we didn't do that in like this group grew, kept growing and then just was inundated with these hateful comments throughout. Like, no one wants to be a part of the discord. It would just become the internet that no one really enjoys. So yeah, we don't do that here. So.

It's the old comment of if you allow wolves and sheep, you will end up with only wolves. It's fair. Right? So, but... Kick the wolf out. Yeah. So that was that. And then one thing this week, I think it was Big Kurt, that is, was, I'm not sure if he,

I think he maybe just hit Cup level or whatever it was. He was showing his progression on the Massonomics Hall of Fame card. And like on the backside where it's the words, he was like checking off or circling what he did. and on the front, instead of what I do, which I thought of most people did, and I never even thought about the other side of this, instead of labeling the number side, like the one that corresponds to the achievements you've hit, like, so you did number one, you did number seven, you did number 11 and marking those, he just, he just filled out, you know, he circled one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, which was kind of cool, because then he can like, at a, at a glance, be like, okay, I'm on nine achievements, I'm on ten achievements. Whereas, like, I have to sit there and count, but, like, is that how it's supposed to be? Like, what do people do? do because I got some mixed results. I think the majority of the people were on my side, a couple people were on Kirk's side, but there wasn't a ton of interaction. So I'm just curious of anyone that actually is active on their card, how they handled that situation. I definitely still count it by achievement, like you do, Keith, I think. I'll mark in the little bubble of where

the number is. But then I feel like I'm constantly doing this. Like, how many do I have again? I got to go through and I got to count each one, tally them all up. Yeah, which makes me like think, Kurt, maybe has something. My mind worked the same. way, although I did have to throw some shade at you being a dink, but... Oh, yeah, that was you. I was like, wait, no, I don't only do one side, damn it. I just didn't explain myself thoroughly, apparently. But, yeah, my mind works the same way.

I immediately was like, oh, okay, now I just have to flip back and over and see which achievements I've done. Yeah, I just count, like, the one, two, three, four, however many I've done. And then I guess I just check it off. And then the other side, I have, like, check marks on the ones that have on the written side. See, that's it's it. And that's a completely logical. I understand that way.

Like now that I, like now they have the 10,000 point view or 10,000 foot view, maybe I would have done it that way. I just had never, my brain didn't work. My brain didn't allow me to ever consider that as an option. And then when I saw Kurt do it, I was like,

my mind was blown. So I was good to know there's other people out there that do that. I think if the card was one bigger card, and it had the achievements and the bubbles under, your brain would, like, make that make more sense, where you would see one and go and check one. But because we have to flip it, a lot of us check both sides, right? Because like the flipping means I've suddenly forgotten what the other side was, right?

One is like a check of achievements. The other side is the actual explanation of the achievement. I can't tell you what I do. I don't know, for sure. Like I'll if it's number one, I'll check off number one. If it's number seven, like I'll check off number seven, not one, then two. if that makes sense. Yep.

You know, I understand that, but it's like, it's like number one on this side of the card, and then you flip the card, fill out the bubble, and then you go to the other side and go, I did that and checkmark that. So for me, I think I do both sides because there's two sides. If it was one side, I would be able to like track that,

but because it's both sides, I have to be able to say, like, one side is the things I've done. The other side is the amount of things I, I've done. Does that make sense? Am I insane right now? Well, you're just, you're talking about what we're talking about, but you're not giving

an answer. So it's just, you're confusing everybody. I can't remember. I just don't remember what I've done. So we'll leave it at, he, he fills out both sides. He just doesn't know what size. To be, to be fair. I've been sitting at 15 for months.

So I don't remember what I've done. I haven't looked at it. Uh, let's see. What's this, uh, okay. So the Temple of Gaines video, didn't make a chance to watch that. It was actually pretty relevant this week with Tanner's video dropped today

without like knowing that all this other drama and spotlight would be being put on Temple of Gaines. And then I was, I was, you know, not afraid that Tanner would kind of like, they would really like not give an honest review or anything. But I know, I came away watching the Temple of Gaines video and Legation channel. I'd have no interest in buying it.

Or at least like the way that Tanner portrayed it. Like the whole like, I have to like do this with my legs to get in and I got to like break my shoes. shin to get it in the right place to get the full range of motion. And I'm like, I'm not doing that. I'm not pinning $2,500 to have something that, I don't know, granted, like, and if he could have easily just left it on like level two and just had his leg sliding and out perfectly or whatever, but he was more honest and like showing. So like for him to get the full benefit, he has to kind of contort his body in this position. So like, it was good that he didn't really like try to sell it

as something it wasn't. Um, so I did give him, you know. Definitely wasn't a, like a sawpill review. definitely gave critiques and everything. It was like a very like, I mean, everyone's biased, but like it seemed like a very unbiased. Like, actually, this is how I'm doing the machine. This is like what I think of it. And it was trying to give every point you could. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I was, uh, I don't know, I wouldn't say I wouldn't buy it, but it was definitely like that,

the couple of negatives he pointed out. I was just like, oh, that's a lot of money for something that doesn't work as easily as you would want. But tiny footprint, extremely tiny footprint for a, for a full stack. well for it's full of but also like if you're full stack and you can sit there and rep out the the full stack for like 15 reps and leg extension might not be enough weight but also they you know experiment with the gym pen I guess makes me feel more and like better and better about my PRX leg extension than I have paired with the Voltra and it's like it's it's almost the same I mean it's not that it's close enough to the same

price and like and I have more versatility I'm like and I can change the resist curve everything this is I mean it's what the other reason I bought the Voltra besides just having a cable machine for Home GymCon to show off my stuff. Well, you can't even say that your Lake Ex-Engine cost that much, too, because you can use that Voltra for 20 other things in your gym, too. Yeah, and the PRX pad is also like a chess support pad, too. Oh, there you go. But yeah, that was, I don't know, it was good.

It was definitely the first, I think it was the first non-gym tour they've had in a while, so it was a nice change of pace. I'm not saying I don't like the gym tours, but it also, it's like once every month or two to have a different video in there, not a bad plan. Anybody else get a chance to watch it? Not yet. I'm going to watch it tonight, but I've seen little bits of it, and I'm excited. I find videos are, you know, it's nice to hear both sides, because like some reviews are always just like, this is great, blah, blah, blah, but I'm excited to see what he thinks about all the critiques like you were talking about, Keith.

And I don't think they actually, I think on the live last night or on the podcast, they were like, we're not, because I think they touched base on it a little bit of how like the reverse. view coming out this week. We're going to preface that the video will come out. We made the video before all this drama happened, so they couldn't remember if they edited it a go click on our affiliate link or not. And I watched the video, and I don't think I heard an affiliate link, you know, plug. So if they did, I missed it. But I just thought that whole thing was just kind of a lot of drama over just some stupid

shit. Crazy on the timing. Yeah, it really was. I wonder if they got more views because of it. I'm curious, yeah, because I mean, it's, you would think, I mean, anything Temple of Gaines or leg extension right now might be kind of popping off, but I'm not sure how YouTube's algorithm works like that. I just, I feel like a lot of their stuff isn't getting out to the masses.

Like, I feel it should. So, I don't know. What's, uh, what's modern comedy, Joey? Oh, yeah. Um, just a personal thing a little bit. So I decided to watch a few comedy movies in the past. a couple of days. And I watched,

do you guys remember the end? It was a Seth Rogen movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I remember, like, the ones he was like Emma Watson was like, we're not going to rape

in Hobo Watson or something like that. And it's like, all she heard and she like runs off and like into this missed apocalypse or whatever. Exactly. Just quick, if I could, your favorite comedy movie.

Jake. Ooh. I love the old school stuff. I was always a big Adam Samler fan. I would have to say either Billy Madison or Happy Gilmore would be my one-two. Okay. Andy? I have three sisters, so I grew up watching stuff like she's the man, that kind of thing. Like, also kind of old school, but in a slightly different vein.

Matt? Something good with Billy Madison, but he stole it from me. Keith? I'd like road trip or out cold. Those are my two of my, like, top comedy. from a kid. Okay, and mine would be super trooper. Like, yeah, the ideal.

So I'm like, okay, I keep hearing, Masonomics says it all the time, people say it all the time, the reason they don't make comedy movies anymore is because you can't get away with stuff. That's what I keep hearing. So I watched the end. I remember it being very funny

when I first watched it. It's kind of funny now, right? Like, it doesn't, it doesn't age well. and then I saw a movie that came out, I think, within the past year, and I think it's called Pizza Party. I saw a preview for that. I haven't seen that yet. Yeah.

It gets very new. It's this year. It sucks. It's awful. And I got about half an hour in before I went, I can't watch this. This is genuinely bad. And I think what I wanted to say is something along the lines of, it's not that you can't get away with stuff,

it's that nobody's funny. People don't know how to be funny anymore. You've got the same old tired jokes. Okay, you've got the homophobia, the transphobia, whatever that shit is. That stuff is aged. Sorry, guys, it's not funny. But then, like, it's just so bad.

I don't understand. The reason they don't make comedy movies anymore is because nobody's funny. anymore. And the people that are funny still, let's look at some of the best stand-up, let's look at Shane Gillis, let's look at Kill Tony, things coming out of those guys. Those are funny and they're still edgy. Comedy movies can't be funny anymore because they don't take risks. It's not because you can't get away with it. It's because they don't want to. That movie was like so marketed towards me. It was like, every time I turned on Netflix, it was like, watch this, watch this, watch this. I said, okay, fine. It was fucking bad. There wasn't a single, I didn't even nose breath

once in the half hour I watched it. So, it's just my take on modern comedy is that, yeah, it's not that you can't get away with it. It's that you don't know how to do it. I just, I don't think they're putting effort into movies and like comedy movies. There's a lot of good comedy shows, depending on what you're taking, comedy is. And, you know, if you're talking, like, like,

uh, just, just laugh track, 30 minute things or, like, uh, what am I watching? I think my argument is those suck too.

I don't know. Like, letter can, me is like the best TV show in the world. And I can still, I consider that like a drama, a dromody, but it's,

but it's also like, what do you consider it's a comedy only a comedy? Can you not have fucking like, like action and drama? It's like, you can. Letter Kenny, Shorzie,

like these things that just genuinely want to make you laugh, not deliver one-liners directly to the audience, not these, you know, uh, oops, uh, my pockets are full of quarters, like, whatever the fucking dumb thing is. I'm just saying, comedy still exists. Just comedy movies are stupid because they don't care about being funny anymore. And all the funny people don't want to invest their money in making those movies. That's why Adam Sandler does serious movies. yeah i mean joey you said it right you look at some of the stand-up that's out there now with Shane gillis and he goes on podcast and is super funny on there matt rife the stand-up crowdwork

that he does like it's it's really funny but it's not at all something you would see in a film these days yeah is he slow or does he just pretend to be slow like i don't understand shanggall like Shane gillis everything i see he's like acting mentally challenged but i can't tell if he is or not like i don't understand his comedy i don't think he's funny he's making them at night for sure. Yeah, I don't. So, yeah, you might not get his comedy, but he is, I

think he is genuinely funny. He delivers great punch lines, great delivery on jokes. He's still better than Dane Cook ever was. Okay. Well, let us know in the Discord, what's your favorite comedy movie is and what, you know, what your take on that is in our

the Mathonomics Discord. And go ahead and watch, try and watch this Pizza Party movie. and tell me that they just can't get away with it. No, it's because they don't want to. This movie was awful. I was so mad watching it.

Well, what they still do make that's pretty good are podcast roundtables, you know, me, carp, Man Who Parks and Gym, and Garage Gym Experiment, Jake,

also Chip, who's not crew, but someday might be probably not, though. We're all on a garage gym experiment podcast. First time we were able to get the old gang

back together in a couple years. I think we were first on that episode. So first on Jake's podcast as a core group of that, probably in 2022. So to kind of bring the boys back together. We've literally been in a group chat on Instagram for like five years together. So it's just been the first time, probably two years, been able to get the band back together for an episode. So that was really fun.

That's on all your, you know, anywhere you can find podcast and on YouTube. Go check that out because there's four out of five of us are crew. So got good feedback from Robo and Tanner and a handful of other people that all got chance to consume it in the last couple days. All right. gentlemen, last week's massonomics episode, I'm going to let a big, big Andy hit us off. What did you think of it, buddy? I really enjoyed it.

I think it's always fun when Tanner and Tommy go into something that could potentially be controversial, but I think the follow-up to it was my favorite bit with some of Tommy's most recent stuff on Instagram and how squats are now an accessory for his leg extension PRs. I thought that was great. I thought that was great, right? It's not just, it's not the content in the episode. It's everything that surrounds it. That made it for me.

the last list thing. I really did. For sure, five out of five generic sparkling waters. Big Jake. I agree. I love that that video showed how Tommy can be very

subtle, but like quick-witted and have those just quick subtle back hands about stuff. And he mixed it in so well with some of the jokes on like extensions and then, hey, you know, you know if machines are your thing that's great and all but you know kind of calling somebody weak for using a machine and then just all this stuff that he's really leaned into with not only

some of the Mario Lopez stuff but then to go along with Andy the squats being an accessory so definitely would be five out of five squats as an accessory for leg extensions big magic you get a chance to watch it yeah actually I watched it it was one of those where I'm on the other side of the fence where I think they're uh be useful and they're not a distraction. I just think that the pieces that they actually have are not good. And, but that's what they're coming off of and like those different machines. I mean, this, but it's just that different take and everything, but definitely five out of five stars.

Nice. Yeah, I got a chance to, it's always hard because it's like, you listen to the freaking pre-show in the first half hour or a week and a half ago. And then it's like, we got the rest of it in Monday. I've already listened to a whole other episode since damn near. but I do like how they just they'll just spend a half hour debating both sides and then literally say the same kind of just the solid point of views on either side

and not really get to a point so it's just like just shooting this shit but I do get it understand it like I you know I do kind of phone it down on the leg extensions at the end because my ass ain't doing split squats or anything especially after squatting 400 pounds or anything like I'm like that noise so I do get that and then I could feel like Tommy could talk tanner in anything

and Tanner will kind of like say his piece and then I don't know I was just, I just enjoy their you know, when they do kind of have a little hard, hard stance that might not go you know, with the general public's point of view there so kind of shitting on machines

while having 30 machines in his gym was pretty amusing. So yeah, five out of five Elite FTS toilet papers. There was one moment that I particularly enjoyed and I think it was when Tommy was talking about the guy that doesn't care. I don't care.

I don't care. It's not what I'm doing. I'm not doing barbell stuff. I'm doing machines. I don't care. And it reminded me of the family guy scene when Peter crashes his car into this rich guy's house and then he hides in the attic and just yells, I don't care over and over and over again because obviously he does care, but he has to announce to the world how much he doesn't.

And it's a thing I've been doing at work a lot lately. I really enjoyed that aspect of it. and I will say the alternative is my gym is just a barbell gym. I have zero machines. I've got dumbbells and barbells. Would I freaking love a pendulum squat? You're damn right I would. The quad pump on a pendulum squat is gorgeous.

So with that, I'm going to give the episode five out of five pendulum squats. Nice. It would be like the last machine you should get. You need to just get a little lap pull down in the corner and it'll be good to go with a low row. Yeah, but I can also do literally anything else for my lads. Yeah, but you got... But I want the quad pump. But I want the quad pump.

That's what you're not getting. My lats, I can do with T-Barr rows or the Viking press or any of the things that I can do. I want the pendulum. I'm sure if you use the pendulum squat wrong enough, you'll hit your lap. That's right. Yes, exactly. You definitely do with some, like, rows and shrugs and stuff with it. Every machine is a lat machine if you're not a coward.

All right. You got some affiliates for us, Joey. We can get the guest, we'll get the, uh, sure do. sponsor reads going and start kicking out all these looky loose. As always, obsidian ammonia, plate snacks, code unpaid, uh, get your stickers. Most of you are already are, so I don't know why we have to keep saying it.

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do you have anything you wanted to share about Jim Rade or our newest, you know, our newest sponsor of the podcast? Yeah, I mean, there's these two silly geese, Tonner and Tanya. Tonner and Tammy. No, you're not wrong. It's been said millions of times.

That's one million percent of their names. I've been calling them that for seven years. Tanner and Tommy, they made this thing, Jim Radar, where if you're looking for some gym equipment and you're unsure about it, hop on there, and there are literally thousands of pieces of equipment. You can check out what all these people are saying about it. And it is literally the, it is a brilliant idea.

It's able to crowdsource all these different things, seeing whatever everyone can see all in one place, and it's just, I mean, absolutely brilliant. So if you haven't signed up for Jim Radar, get your gym on there. I still have to get mine. I need to get mine next to the gym finished where it doesn't look like a disaster

like it is right now. But once I fix it, I will get mine up on there. But absolutely fantastic. Nice. Jim Radar brought to you by our friends at Massonomics. Good stuff. All right, all those lookie loose out of there. We kicked everyone out.

Let's see if we can get Big Matthew Porter on the phone. Big Matt's at you, buddy. Yep, hey. Hey, welcome to the podcast. It's unpaid and underrated, a podcast by a crew for crew. So we always like to kick it off. Just introduce yourself, just get the name. You're, you know, anywhere they can find you on the internet, website, anything you want to plug.

Just who you are, get that out of the way. Matt Porter, I'm a PE teacher. I've been doing that for over 10 years now, but I, because I'm a teacher, I'm poor, so I started making a gym equipment. And then people started asking for it. I started making Jim McCormick and selling it, and that turned into this so crazy thing I have going right now. So if you want to check out what I'm making,

what I'm selling, those different things. You can check it on Instagram at Porter underscore Fizzed, or you can go to porterpef.com and buy the different items there. Unfortunately, it's a lot of times sold out. It will be back in stock. This is breaking news tomorrow at noon. The Eclipse scripts will be back in stock with multiple colors. Nice. Cool beans. All right. So I've known you for a few years through home JimCon.

When did you kind of first become aware of Mastinomics? When you start following them? When did you get that supporting membership, all that? Just how did you find us and why you still here? So I was a trainer, like a second job. He always side hustle with a teacher. And I had a client that basically was always wearing these super cool shirts and everything. and I was constantly saying cool beans. I'm like, what the heck are you talking about? And then he mentioned massonomics and got checked it out and like, looked at everything.

And then kind of fell off a little bit, got more and more into the home gym scene. And then it kind of circled back around. I'm like seeing more and more masonomics stuff, massonomic stuff. And then was able to meet Tani. Oh, my God, I'm going to keep doing it. I love it. You're going to do it all night long and it's okay. All right.

I met the mass and I was guys over at Home Gym Kong second year. And then got to hang out with them at the Bells of Steel booth. And then recently signed up. Not a year yet as crew, but getting close to a year. But just kind of seeing how they're doing how just like happy good luck, everybody is. And it's like, it's always a good time. So I'm like, I'm down for that.

No more, none of the drama, no, the chaos. us. So, I mean, I'm all for trying to kind of build everybody up. And that seems what nationalismics is all about. Yeah, with the, with the exception of a few assholes that we usually show the door to for sure. As someone that, you know, you've been in the home gym game for a long time, so you're familiar with the Facebook group and the discords and the Reddits and just how full of fucking evil, hateful scum of the earth, just commenters and just people that just want to ruin people's days just by telling them their pieces of shit 24-7. So yeah, We don't, if you see that, nine times out of ten, it's like two best friends busting each other's balls.

It's, it's obvious, like, it's not real hate. It's, you know, because that would get squashed out. So, yeah, our, it's been a great community. I'm glad that you've finally took the plunge to go that extra step because, you know, everyone can listen to the podcast and watch some of the videos. But, like, if you really want to just, like, add potentially 800 new friends to your Rolodex, say, you know, it's just cost you $3 a month. I ain't that hard.

That's, it's, you know, it's, it's very, cool place to be. Absolutely. And with this, you know, that's the goal with this podcast, too, is to, you know,

you'll assume you're going to be at home gym con again this year. So I want to say that there's, you know, it might be a little optimistic, but there's legitimately going to be a hundred supportive members probably at home gymcon. And if you can sell something to five of those guys,

by being on this episode, you know, it kind of paid for itself. And then they're going to be more comfortable talking to you. You'd be like, you know, out of those hundred, maybe,

maybe half of them listen to this episode. If our, you know, if we, Joey and I did our job right, and, you know, that's just 50 people that have heard you tell your story that might not have caught it on, you know, somebody else's podcast in the past. So, because, you know, we are a lot of home gym nerds here, but not to like the extent, not all of them like, we'll listen to the garage gym radio for the most part. So this is kind of going to get you some exposure that you might not have otherwise had. So I was glad to get you on.

I appreciate me on. Yes, sir. Well, you touched on it in as far as Florida. So is that where you've always been or is Florida? Well, I mean, assuming it is, if you've never seen the snow. I am. I'm Florida, like, born and bred. I'm literally the kind of central Florida right in the middle. Where I grew up, there was more cows than people.

And then end up going to USF just so I kind of settling in just outside of Tampa. And been here ever since. I mean, this is 13 years in Tampa now. Oh, nice. Is that the, was Dante Culpepper from there? Or is that the other, I know there's two different floors. Florida. That's, you see it. Okay, that's what I thought.

Because one of our other big Jeff is a big fan of the other one. I think he's a fan of the other one. So I was like, which one is? Yeah, because there's universe. Yeah, I know there's two that have similar acronyms. Yeah, I just told him. I was always a FSU fan growing up, but I'm a dyslexic. I'm like, I just got confused. I went to the wrong school.

That's, what do you got, Joey? So you haven't been around that long, about a year you said. What is the one piece of Massonomics merch that you missed out on? Oh, I mean, there's quite a few. What's the one, the Ronnie Coleman's, like the riff on that one. Do you have Buddy Light? Yeah, buddy, light. Wait.

Yeah, I wanted to snag one of those and was not able to. Damn. Because it was gone. Yeah, they had to quit selling those and occasionally they'll pop up live in person, but it's been a couple years, I think. Next question. What's your Hall of Fame status? Including today.

Including today. I am at stay. I got to keep working on. I'm only at four. I will get that up a little higher once I, I mean, Home GymCon, can't as a retro,

actively count, and I've been there. Well, it's official going forward. Yeah, so I will have it when I'll be there. Yeah, I don't know.

I think we talked to, yeah, I think I did the break. news last week that that is yeah yeah so that is kind of cool for a lot of people that are going to potentially not make it to the arnold but can you know enjoy home gym con a little more because i think most people would yeah the arnold just too many people i i can't do that however the home jump caught last year was i was swamped like yeah people that

were just like like at my booth and everything i'm just like was talking talking talking i end up losing my voice for the first day and i'm like i'm not going to make it the second day and then my business partner and my buddy that came over, they, I mean, I know all the minutia about the stuff I make and like why I did every specific little detail and everything where they don't know those things and people are asking like, why did you like this? And they're like, I don't know. I had to have step in like, oh, it's like this because of this and kind of trying to think. I am very like meticulous on everything that I make because if there's, if it's something that I think somebody already has, like,

has dialed in the product or has the thing already exists? Like, what's the, like, I don't have any interest in, like, doing anything with that. Mm-hmm. Is that like 30 eclipse grips behind your head? Yeah, no, it's more than that. Oh, damn, that's good stuff. They all need to go to those, these are all, the majority of them are purchased. Okay.

So they need to be, I need to assemble and pack them up. That's all, it's a weekend project. There's a handful of, I can tilt it up, a handful of colors up there. Down below, there's some rev bar parts. I need that's right here somewhere in there. There's some red bar handles. I have some new stuff that's over in the corner over there, four or five different new products that hopefully will be all debuting at Home GymCon.

Oh, nice. So, I mean, we're, since we're already on the topic, let's just, let's dive into the business then and your equipment. It might not necessarily fit the flow, but I mean, we're here. So how long ago did you, I know you've been bootstrapping this for a long time, but when was like year one?

Or when did you kick that off? Officially it was 2023. I was, I started like, well, it's going to get to a little bit of a darker story. My, um, my, um, my mom ended up having a, uh, a stroke. And then it's like a, like a little bit more of like therapy. I use some of my spare time to learn to weld. Just because it was like a very monotonous, like, rhythmic thing to do. So learn to weld.

Borrowed my brother's welder. And I told them I would borrow for two weeks and I kept it for eight months. But that's fine. I was able to learn and everything. But then started to make equipment and kind of build off of things I had. Because as a teacher, you don't have the money to buy what you want to buy. I was able to snag a belt of steel cable plate-loaded tower. hour and then kind of built a lap pull-down attachment that goes off the top of it and put that

on the internet and then that blew up and I had probably over 50 people asking me if they could purchase the piece didn't really know what to deal with that and then right when that was happening I had a trip that I was going to Ireland and Scotland and then it was with my one of my best friends from high school and he wanted to start a business and I was telling him, like, what was going on. And he was like, I'll help you do it. And I'll do the finance, help me do it the finance portion, help get everything started. And I, um, took the plunge, started selling stuff. It was all like, VIN mode, like that stuff at the beginning. Because I'm like, I don't know how many things are going to be here.

We had open is setting up all that account shit. If you're only going to, you know, sell a couple grand worth of stuff or something. Yeah. It's only going to be a handful. I'm like, what's, what's the point? Um, it was not a handful. It was, it was, it was, well, That's wild. Yeah. This, I think for the Bells Tower, like I'm, I don't know if I'm at a thousand units total for the Bells Tower over that time, but it's, I know it's over 500. It's like between, like probably 750, something like that. It's up there.

I mean, the Eclipse groups, like, that's, that's gone absolutely insane. Yeah, because you turned it out, like, your first, basically your whole product line was building stuff around the Bells is still tower, and then you, you know, morphed, later down the road. But yeah, sorry, I just, for anyone that's, you know, not familiar. But yeah, I like the chronological story. Yeah, I just, I mean, kept, I mean, working on the stuff with the Bells Tower, making more stuff with it. Keep putting stuff out of that. Bells approached me.

And they were like, hey, we won't work with you. They ended up giving me, like, gave me much more equipment. We had a, like, basically a deal in place where they were going to start making the pieces. and that still hasn't happened yet. I don't know. That's wild. What the fuck is? I don't know what's happening,

but I was told that it's still in the work. He's told it was still in the work. Well, they've also switched the tower around, too. In the tower, like, it's not necessarily obsolete, but haven't they come up with a new tower with different dimensions? Yeah, they have multiple options now, like a bigger option. But this stuff was supposed to be, like... This was like three years ago.

Yeah, yeah. this stuff should have been done and done, like, done and gone. But this stuff also could be, like, just beefed up and put on the bigger tower. It still will work. I mean, it may need some modifications and everything, but it will, most of them will still work. Okay. But, yeah, that was kind of that part of it. And then I have some different injuries that I've been working around and been wanting,

I've been basically one of the specific piece, specifically for like hammer curls. And then I don't know if you can see on the video there, like I have this like hook for a pinky that does not work. My hand does, it will not close. And I also broke my wrist. It was a pretty nasty football injury back in high school. But because of that. It's a fun holding the welding gun too. Yeah.

I have to make sure it doesn't get in the way and get burned or get caught on something. It's good for opening doors. like holding the groceries. It's a nice little hook. I can just like, yeah, I got it. It doesn't bend, so it's like, whatever. But, yeah, they ended up making the eclipse group and that get out there and it started out.

Can you give a visual aid? So there will be listeners that have no clue what that is. So, like, no, sorry, not the visual. Like, describe it because this is an audio-only podcast, sorry. So just describe in a minute or so, like, what do you mean by the eclipse group? Yeah, so it is a, short iso handle

that is a fully machined out of aluminum that has a leather pad that will form your hand at the base and then it will, as a 360 degree swivel at the top. So you were able to rotate your hand and have like basically freedom of movement

so they don't have to go straight down. You can actually like tilt it because it is so short you reduce that leverage. So a lot of the issue I was having with the stuff was out there is they were all longer. And because I had a grip issue, I also need the base as well. So, got out of the base,

reduce the length of the piece, just so it would kind of work around the injuries that I was dealing with, because I'm trying to, like, lately I've been leaning more into like bodybuilding type stuff, so I'm trying to maximize as much as high personally as possible. So, like, I'm trying to get things stable.

And it kind of, that's what I came up with. And it's still pretty good in the beginning. And then it just kept picking up steam, picking up steam. And then at this point, I put them in stock and then they're gone in like a day. It's not a bad problem to have. Yeah, it's just, I don't know how many to order because I keep, I order more and it's, it's still, it's the same. But I also, I don't, I'm, it's only really me that's doing all the assembly and everything. So, um, I'm not able. You're

working with like a semi-local place that kind of does all the bigger, all the machining and you just get like individual parts and piece it together, or what are you actually building in-house currently? So I'm doing assembling. So the, right now for the eclipse grips, I'm just doing assembling, and I'm doing all the leather work for the eclipse scripts,

and then some of the other pieces I'm doing the steel work. But I work with a machinist, and then they send it to a specific anodizer. This analyzer actually works with SpaceX, as far as, like, like an aerospace place. But that also, it makes more quality, of the anization is usually like really high. You don't have any like defects or issues.

But your lead times also go like through the roof because it just takes longer for them to like dial in all those multi-step processes and everything. But just getting that, got that going and it's just been like insane. Cannot keep up. And I'm still still full-time teacher. Yeah, yeah. This is you just we're doing full-time summer.

and then like whatever you can in the nights and weekends. Yeah, I mean, I, if you order something for me and if it takes, like my lead times are not too terrible, but it is, it's not going to be like you make an order and it's going to be like Amazon. You get it, you see the shipping and everything. It's going to be a week or two before it's going to be shipped out. And then certain pieces where it's like, I actually have something that's going to, to, to big carp. He's got a

the very first unit of this piece called the V-Wing. It's a guy just a V-B-R. I remember who he won that. Yeah. That is done and it's, it will be going out this weekend,

but that was when like, it takes a while. I also, um, it was a little slow on getting it very much. And then I was, I went on a trip for, and I was gone for a month.

So that, uh, didn't help anything as far as thing. getting everything finished. But that was a mad dash to try to get all the orders out that I had, like, that were right before that. Like, just the regular stuff, getting all that gone. But what would you need to be happening to potentially give up the teaching job?

Or are you too committed to that at this point with, like, benefits and insurance to risk, you know, losing that? It would need to be, like, a, I mean, pretty, I mean, it's one of those, like, I've been doing it for so long. I really enjoy doing that. I mean, it's more of a passion. Like, that's,

like, what I want to do. This is, like, there, it's a two passion projects at the same time, basically. Gotcha.

And just trying to, like, manage these two. The ideal thing would be kind of have a, um, company like license the product so I can, like, work more into the,

um, like the R&D aspect of making the new stuff. Because that's what I like to do. Um, like, putting hundreds and hundreds of eclipse in boxes or like assembling rev bar all that stuff. It's like if I'm doing that and that's by free time, like you're never going to see a new thing for me ever again. Yeah.

Without like, you know, has there been any, like you don't have to say any, like, has there been talks of any of that happening or are you just trying to fight people from trying to steal your ideas in general and not necessarily having an opportunity for partnerships? there's been a few different companies approach me a few of them have been like they wouldn't do like drop shipping but for me yeah but for me like drop shipping doesn't make sense at all because I don't have an issue getting the product sold

I can't make enough as it is anyway I need I need something to make it and everything but there's some in like toxin like progress right now and hopefully that materializes into something a little bit more. But we'll see how that goes. It would be really cool. And then so you got the,

I remember the red bar came out last year. That was your big thing. And then you got the new tricep bar this year. And you got some more stuff here. You said there's a handful of products at home gymcon coming this year. So, you know, be on the lookout for, you're going to have a decent sized booth this year. That every, I think every year your booth is just going to keep getting bigger and bigger

or at least more things you have to talk about. Yeah, it just has been more. It's still smaller. I mean, I am, there is something in the works with beltbed strength, and there at the booth, like, directly next to me. So there may be a little spillover of, like, like we have a shared product between us. Nice.

And then I'm also right next to WMFAB. And then the Tri Fighter, which is like a hammer, like a can link together hammer curl rowbar. Okay. That one is also a partnership. between us. And he's right next to me too. So it's like we're like a a little trio of like linked products and I'm like the linkage that links us together. That is very cool. That's very cool.

Well, I mean, yeah, usually that's what kind of consider that your occupation topic for the day? Well, I mean, because we do like the podcast to kind of get to know, you know, I wanted you to, I wanted you to have this platform to explain your business to try to, you know, get more eyes on your products and everything. But this is the Matthew Porter episode, not the Porter Physette episode. So we'll probably pivot a little bit here. We'll circle back to anything that's, you know, if anything comes to you, that's like,

I really want to talk about this about my, you know, company. We'll get back to it. But just for the sake of us not talking about your company for two hours and then missing out on anything, you specific, we'll probably move on. So you relatively knew, so you pray, I don't know. Do you know your sporting membership number? It's probably something in the 700s then, isn't it? I do not.

I was looking for it. Oh, yeah, you wouldn't have known. Yeah, because if you didn't get, did you ever get, did you get one of the cards? Like the fake credit card that had your number on it. I think the most recent one was two years ago, so probably not. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, so then we'll assume you're somewhere 700 thereabouts, at least not high sixes. Yeah, that makes me feel good, though.

I didn't lose something. Because it usually happens is like, there's just so much chaos going on. I'm like, I definitely lost it. I was so excited that I still had my achievement list. I didn't lose this. So we know you're not on Jim radar yet. but do you have a CTF? Do you get the gym certified at least?

Yes. Nice. And it's just, what's it's just under Porter Fizz Ed? Yeah, just Porter Fis Ed, Jim. There's no pictures in anything

because it's hard with my gym because it's like, it's a revolving door of equipment because I'm not a reviewer, but like companies send me stuff in hopes that I make something for their thing. Oh. So.

Like like rep, like, like, fringe, bells, Redfit does, it sends me stuff. I've gotten, I'll do like, some of the smaller guys I'll do product trades with. If I have an idea

to, kind of how like I can link something together. I actually have a project that I'm working on. Hopefully I'll have it done this weekend, which is linking a dial motion Ibex to a Voltra so I can pair iron weight to a

Voltra and make it a single tower where the weight capacity for my pull down and belt squats could be theoretically 500 pounds with all of the crazy like features of the Voltra without having to kill the Voltra's motor or doing the project. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I see, yeah, because you can, you can double up

the Voltra, but then you're probably like voiding the warranty or at least like ripping the cord much more prematurely. Yeah, and it's a, if it's also, you don't know what the, like, depending on where you link it, it's never going to be that like two to one. So like you're, it'll vary to. So like tracking those numbers for like my brain, I'm like, I don't like it. I want to like at least have an idea of like where I'm lifting and like what it is and everything. Gotcha.

So you got a handful of people to fill out the questionnaire. How did you go about that explaining what unpaid underrated is and why they need to fill out this questionnaire for you? I did not. I just sent it. So there you go. That works. That's easy. All right.

So our first game of the night. It's called least fun, most fun. I'm going to give you a single topic. and I just need you to kind of go through and tell me the least fun thing about it, as well as the most fun thing about it. Kind of elaborated a little as much as you want, but it's just a funny little game we play here. So least fun, most fun, I was going to go owning a small business,

but we kind of talked about a lot of that. So let's just go with teaching. So least fun, most fun, having a career as a teacher. I mean, specifically, so you are a phys ed teacher, obviously, by the name, right? So it's not. I mean, I get to play all day. I mean, that's the most fun thing. I get to play sports all day.

I love doing sports and everything. But the least fun about that is dealing with, like, irate parents. I actually had to go to a bus stop two days ago where this person threatened to beat up the bus driver. So I had to go ride the bus. Like a parent? Yeah, the parent threatened to beat up the bus driver. So me and the resource officer rode the bus to the bus stop. So I'll allow all these kids to get off at this stop to make sure the parent did not get on the bus and try to beat up the...

You specifically because you're like an athletic male or because like it was a student that you were more familiar with or something? I'm the one that ends up having to do like all these different things. And I'm just the go to. I guess there's worse than... Nope, you froze. Yep, you froze. You're back now, though. All right, cool. Good deal. That was least fun, most fun. I like it.

All right. So I guess it's my turn. Let's just say you're going for a big lift, and you've got one person that you can pick to slap you on the back and hype you up. They can be living alive or fictional, living alive or fictional, living dead or fictional. God, I told you, I'm tired. Who's that person you're picking? Oh, I mean, you gotta go Arnold, right? Yeah. It's popular.

It's so hard to beat that. I couldn't pick Arnold. I'd probably go like my brother. All right, good answer, good answer. Okay. Did occupation? Tell us about your lifting history. it looks like you've been doing it a very long time in different variations.

Yeah, so kind of started out just, so kind of circling back to more of a, more just history of me with my, both my parents, my grandparents, all were diabetic, super overweight. Like, I'm growing up, I'm like, I'm going to do the opposite of that. so got into like a lot more running and a lot more like calisthenics in the beginning um i didn't been but it's on the questionnaire but i was actually on the usf triathlon team um in college and then at a college it was like i don't want to be i don't want to be weak anymore uh found starting strength started doing um more of like a pound i mean the big uh three and doing the like the my give my fives my five by five by three by fives and

getting all that in, and then competed in a powerlifting meat. And then I'm doing the same thing over and over again. I get pretty bored. So kind of dip my toe into Strongman, competed in my first Strongman competition just a couple years ago. Oh, nice. So I've done Powerlifting, Strongman. And now I've built up quite a few different injuries

because I'm not very good at listening to my body, and I just want to do what I want to do. And sometimes my body says no. And so now I'm pivoting, doing, so kind of like leaning more into the bodybuilding side of things now. Not going to compete in bodybuilding, no, I don't think. It's just going to be more of just a focus on hypertrophy. How old are you, Matt?

36. Okay. It's hard to tell sometimes. We're like, oh, 29, 43, like, I don't know. Like, not you specifically, but like our, our gauntless of guests, Like we've had like 60 year olds and fucking like 18 year olds probably. So it's all over everything. Well, 12.

13 year olds, yeah, yeah. Yeah. If I shaved my beard, I'd be like, yeah, you're 12? What are you going to? What's shaving? It's been so long. Do people still do that? Yeah.

I mean, I don't even shave. I just use a trimmer. I'm like, I was like, yeah, that's too much work to actually pull out a straight razor. What's mithril? Oh, I mean, that, is the absolute best chain mail you can get from the mountain, oh, what is the mountain? From Aibor. And it is absolutely the best.

If you have to go and dispose of the one ring to Mount Doom, if you get scovere and you get stabbed by a troll, you will survive and you will still make it. oh i see i see okay somebody put that in there to get me all right we will get to some of that stuff i've been adding little magoos over and over again um keith anything jumping out to you there buddy uh strong like uh wouldn't had you enjoy so strong man just uh didn't really it was so it was mainly the injuries that kind of pulled you out of strong man just uh didn't really it was so It was mainly the injuries that kind of pulled you out of a strong man. If you were to pick power lifting, if you were to pick powerlifting or strong man, what would your preference be?

Strongman. I still, like, we'll throw in a couple different things. Like doing like sandbag carries, like sandbag to shoulder, all that type of stuff. Like, that's way, way more enjoyable. Farmers carries, things like that. I'm like, it's just, I like being a little bit more athletic, whereas, like, how old thing? I'm like, you just stand there or you lay down. It's fun, but it's like, it's a lot more dynamic.

But the injuries are the thing. It's like it pulled me away from that more and more. And I'm absolutely horrible at Overt Press. I have extremely long arms. So bench press and O'Ret Press are not my jam. So as a fabricator or would you consider yourself a fabric? I mean, the terminology fits. I mean, you did weld all the initial stuff.

You might, you know. Yeah, I still make, I mean, it's still weld. different products and everything. It's like I'm a hybrid, I guess. I wouldn't say, like, I'm not like Dean or something that, but like all the initial prototypes, I'm making everything. I do, like, will the machine

and actually, like, make the stuff and sell the different things. But it's not, it's... So what kind of... So what kind of cool shit do you have or that you've made solely for yourself that just isn't really realistic to mass produce or anything? Like, did you make, like, a badass Hussifeld or, like, like, some farmer handles

when you were doing strong? Like, did you make cool shit when you were into these different like, Will Spock Struggish, I guess, wrong man specifically? That, like, I couldn't just go in my basement and make. I mean, I made farmer's handles. I actually use a,

basically this, it's not a railroad type, but it's basically like this, like two eye beams and basically welded horns on the, the eye beams and put handles on the eye beams just so I could like have farmer sandals.

I've made different most of the events or the different thing I've done for Strongman have been like standard stuff or like it's a yoke and things like that. It was things I had at the time so I didn't have to like do a lot of stuff. I have modified the equipment where I'm like sometimes like you're using him like

why can't this piece instead of having to like put the the yolk like slide it down like why can't it be like Jacob's where I can just like place it in place and put the hitchpin on it. Yeah wouldn't have been nice. So I've like chopped up my yoke and I

drilled holes. That's pretty cool. Yeah, fixed the hole. I'm like, I wanted to be this way. This annoys me. But then you specifically said stuff you used to own, so you don't own that yoke anymore. So you sold a modified yoke on marketplace.

I don't know that I have the balls to do that. Because I'd be like, there's a sign a waiver that if this breaks on you and... God, it's fine. I mean, the way it was, I modified everything, it wasn't going to break. I mean, I've sold multiple modified piece of equipment. I mean, there's not my, I think my entire gym, like, there's nothing in here that's, like, not have, if it's made of steel, I haven't done something to it.

How long have you had the home? Like, have you, so obviously being a lifter for, you know, 20 some years, whatever, and how long have you been a homeowner and had a home gym? So I ended up living with my My buddy he ended up having a nasty divorce But he ended up like it was like Had this big house and everything and he was like I had a spare room and I end up moving in stay there for a year But he had home gym so I'd Like I ended up using it more than he did

But that was back in 2017 I'm sorry sorry Yeah What's it? Yeah 2017 So that's kind of the story of it, but I always had, like, small, like, home gym, like, like, a crappy, like, bench and that I've always had some stuff, but that was, like, the first, like, we had a power rack.

We had, like, a, not a, like, a screw, like, a screw-on, like, sleeve barbell. Yeah. And then I was there for a year. And then when we bought a house, I told my wife, it's, like, the garage, I'm like, the garage is mine, and I'm sorry. But that's, I'm taking the garage. And the, um, it's like, it's like, it's like, I'm like, it's like, I'm like, it's like, they got a whole bunch of

Facebook marketplace fines, put everything in there, and it started slowly like building and building. And then when we got bought our second house, I actually looked at that in this house, the garage got converted to a spare bedroom. So there's an AC unit, actually like built into it.

And the only bad thing about this house is for the garage is the floor actually had they tiled the floor. Oh. Um, so I And they tiled the walls too Like up like two feet So it was like a two feet section up off the wall

It's horrible for a fucking gym Yeah It's horrible for a bedroom Yeah What are you doing in a bedroom that needs a splash back Yeah So I removed the stuff off the wall Um

And then And then the floor I was like, well, let's just something between that and the concrete below. So I'm just going to put horse stall mats around on top of it and hope for the best. I was like, it's hidden now. Have you checked on it since?

Yeah, I used to have a platform. And then I thought it was going to, like, I thought the platform was like necessary to make sure I didn't like break anything. because I had at my peak as far as like like deadlift's like I got pretty strong. I was able to lift 585 for deadlift. So like I was pretty concerned that it was like I was going to break the floor. And then I just said screw one day.

I was like if it breaks, then that'll at least give me a starting point to remove all the tile. And then that was kind of when the injuries kind of, like, kind of popped up a little bit, but still I've deadlifted over 500 pounds on just the single layer of the horse stall mats, and there hasn't been any cracking or anything on the floor. I don't have those tape. He's his tape where I deadlift, so I can kind of peel up that section to check on it every now and again. And it's fine. I mean, it's, it's annoying that it's even there still every time I pull it up. And it's also like a pinkish, palish color. So it's like it looks awful too.

Yeah, my bathroom's pink tile and I'm just like, I don't have the money or the time to deal with it yet in one of these days. We won't have a 70s pink bathroom, but until then we do. The jackhammer thing you have to get to like remove the tile to is like horrible. Like I used to depth, I did demo like going through college or like a construction demo and we had to do something like I don't want to do that. So I did the least amount that I had to do to get the gym like, you. usable and I was like, that's it, I'm done. And the gym and the shop are the same, or is the shop somewhere else? I have a, like, there's a shed in this, this house somewhere now.

There's a, um, obviously a 10 by 20 shed in the backyard that has like power to it. So that's kind of what the little shop in the backyard. That's where you're right now? Yep. Oh, dang. You have a C? Do you have a, do you have a mini split out there? Oh, God. So you just, you literally are in a sweat box and putting products.

Fuck that. You don't have a window a seat. You have nothing. You have nothing for air. Nope. Remember I'm Florida born and bred, so. Okay. So it doesn't, it doesn't, you're okay with.

I'm adapted. I was actually talking to at home gym con. I was with, nice like Mike and we were like kind of like just walking around. It was the little bit later on. He was saying complain how humid it was. And I'm like, oh, it feels great.

I don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, I'm just going to like, I'm comparing it's like, what I've been dealing with, like, the end of the ear. And I'm like, oh, you have no clue. I remember a couple of those outdoor events in Indiana were pretty hot. I think the stable one, I remember if you were there at that one, but damn, I always remember being just sweating profusely. And I'm like, like, having to more smartly pick my attirely.

Like, don't wear a heavy cotton t-shirt on those days. Those are the days you were the, you know, the athletic fitting stuff that are a little more breathable. Yeah, I think I'm one of the few people that's like, if it's, If it's hot, it doesn't bother me at all. Like, I'll find myself, I'll leave, and it'll be, like, 3 o'clock in Florida. Like, I'll crack my window down. I'm like, I have AC to my truck. I'm like, I don't even turn it on.

I'm like, why am I doing this? And then I'll, like, drive halfway through it. I'm like, oh, I forgot to turn the AC on. It's funny. But it's like, if it gets cold, if you get it where it's like 60 degrees, and I'm like, no, absolutely no. I'm out. I hate the cold. It's funny.

Well, we touched based on Home GymCon a little bit. You've been there all four, it's been four years? No, I miss. I miss the first year. You weren't there the first? Okay. It was the first year that you were there with Bells of Steel. I remember that year you told me the story of how they lost all your shit,

and you had to literally make it last minute. Yeah. It's almost a funny story, but it's not. But you could, if you want to, I don't know if you want to tell that story again, feel free. It still hurts. No, it was like the week before. They had prototypes

that they were going to share, and I shipped it to them to Indiana, and they thought it was like a return, like somebody like sending it return, but like it wasn't a return, and they dispose of those, like, some of those things, and they, no one, like, let them know what was going on with those pieces.

Like, it was just a disconnect between Kavon and the, like as San Drew over there. The Windy City Barbell, I think, right? Yeah, I don't know. It just, those parts, disappeared and then I get a message from Kvon's like, hey, did you ship those pieces? And I was like, he had like over two weeks ago. And we kind of came over the plan. He actually like, I was going to do all the travel of my own, but because I had to like, I was going to fly.

I had to cancel my flights. And then basically spend the night. It was, this was like four days, three days before, like actually having to like leave. to go down to go over there so and i'm still this is still like the work week for me so like it's not like i can spend the entire day like doing all that stuff so i'm like sitting up up to two o'clock in the morning on what today is like getting all these different Type's finished, welding everything up, getting it.

And then I have to drive from Florida. I did break up the drive, so it didn't be making a little longer. I went to my business part and my buddy. He lives in North Carolina. So it kind of did a little pit stop. And basically slept there and then woke up super early in the morning. And he rode with me the rest of the way there to get the home gym gone. But it was...

skin, I mean, down of the wire. Yeah, I remember you telling me that in person, I was like, that sounds like the most horrible week of my life. Like, that would, I'd be so miserable. And then, obviously, I was a zombie. Yeah. Absolutely, like, like, just done. But, uh, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but,

, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, in, um, um, sell, um, sell the listeners on, uh, on, on home gymcon and co-unpaid on those tickets. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, French Lake was so, like, super, super, super small and, like, like, homey. Like, it was such a, I don't like, the right word to, like, use for, but, like, it was just so down to earth type thing. And then that changed from going from French lick to Louisville.

And I also was a different perspective. So, like, I didn't, I was a part of the Bell's booth, but I didn't, I wasn't a vendor. And then I was able to, like, go around and check out of people's stuff and, and kind of see what other people was doing. And then whenever I got to Louisville, and then that was where I went to the, the, the Eclipse, scripts were like popping off a little bit. So like I was stuck at my booth. So like I barely got to see anything. Like it was, I mean, it was great.

Like being able to talk to everyone and kind of after hours and seeing everyone. And actually like getting to kind of all the people, all your home gym friends online, you actually get to see them in person. That's always cool. But just the amount of like not prepared I was. Even just like not bringing enough stuff. Like I brought 120. units and I sold

123 and the only reason they didn't sell the last two is because they fell underneath my table and got pushed back behind something I ended up finding those when we were like cleaning up I'm like oh there's two purple eclipse

that are just still sitting here whoops that's wild that's a lot of product to move for I mean that's that's pretty impressive that's really cool it's like selling like literally sold like 50 a day yeah it's one of

I think for an event like that, the size of the product. Yeah, it's very good for the carry-on for everyone that flew. Yeah, it's light. They're about a, they're a little, just a tiny bit over a pound each. So it's not like they're going to add a bunch to your luggage and everything. You can squeeze them in. I mean, it's not like you're going to try to bring a four-post rack and the watch people that brought racks home, like that, like debacle.

Yeah. I mean, at the end, too, like, I was so tired. Like, I gave away half my booth. And so it was, like, my personal rack. And I'm like, I'll just buy a new one. I don't care. Just to not have to carry at home. Yeah, I gave it to Will, for WMFab.

And he didn't have a rack at all. And I'm like, if you can use this, like, it's your, if you can take it home, it's yours. I don't want to do it. I don't want to put it in my truck. I don't want to do anything. I was like, the year before, I loaded up everything. in my truck. As much stuff I could bring home, I brought home. This year, I was like, just take it all.

I don't want it. Yeah. Do you have your booth planned out in your head already of what you bring in and kind of product and numbers and quantities and your whatever rack you're going to use at a display rack? Any of that? Yeah, I'm working on. I'm hoping this thing I'm working on with the Dow Motion, the Vulture piece thing, will be like easy enough to tear down. And I have some ideas. I have a specific piece I'm making that'll kind of make it where if you're using it,

you can't tip it over. Like, it would be impossible because you'd actually be standing on part of the platform because it's going to have like a flat plate in the front. Just so, the main thing is that, it's like, if you do belt squats off of it, you won't lift the rack because you're actually the plate on the bottom as welded to it.

But I want to actually bring that piece. If I can break that down, this should be a lot smaller than the I brought before. I can bring a couple tables so I can have more to kind of display of all the different cable attachments on the, the tables and then underneath the table will be just as many as I can bring and fit. But it will kind of just, the hard thing is like this is the timing of everything.

I like how much product. I definitely have samples and all some stuff there. But like the amount of product that I'll bring will kind of just depend if like stuff gets done in time. We'll see how it works. I feel that. Got a couple more little stories or so I'll pitch you in. Maybe start playing some games.

I think, I'm pretty sure this came from a big Chris, uh, built fed. So it's just paraphr, he basically says, uh, he once injured his thumb attempting to steal our patented splatter paint mythology. Okay. It wasn't my thumb. It was my pointer finger, my index finger. Um, not the pinky we already talked about earlier. No, no, it was a different. Same hand.

Oh, wow. Same hand. Um, yeah, I, I didn't realize the, because I don't really upcharge to do the, to do the, like the custom splatter paint. It's only, it's a couple bucks. But the amount of orders I had to do of the little leather pads with the splatter paint on them, I worked with Chris to develop the leather pads for the Eclipse group. That was actually from the beginning before they even released.

The leather pads were like a part of the project. It was just like how can they be implemented where they actually will be something that would like long lasting and formed your hand? because my whole thing is like I wanted to be you got the piece and became a part of your like became of they became your attachment if that makes sense. Yeah it fit your hand specifically and someone else used it might not feel the same. Yeah, but the huge show me the platter paint the paint he was using and I put our entire like run that we just got in in stock and I put I had it where my the leather like if it was

out of stock it would just keep selling it would just go into negative numbers because I just bought more leather and it was, I think it was like over 250 people wanted like the custom splatter paint. So I like I have this like, I'm going to show you, there's like a piece of cardboard that has like paint splatter everywhere on it. But you lay them down and you just, you put a glove on, you basically dip your fingers in the paint and you just flick. But I was flicking over and over and over and over again like so much that I sprained my finger. Jesus. Licking paint. But I sprained it about, after I did like 170.

So I still have a lot of to do. So then I'm trying to use my left hand. Doing my left hand. And often I said like trying to figure out that. Then I hurt my left hand too. And then eventually I was just like, I was like not flicking. I was like like lapping my hand to like make it. Like bought like a fake rubber hand that does the same damn thing or something.

Or just a brush. Just a brush that you can. can flick. Well, the brush gets, it's because they're like a lot of pairs, the brush, it's, they're finer, so it doesn't look the same. So I didn't want to do a transition of like, this is what the person bought.

They wouldn't look like this. And like, I'm, like, I don't get upset where I'm going to say anything to the company like that. But it's one of those, like, I know that if it's not the way it looked on the thing, I'm not going to be happy with it. So like, I'm trying to, like, if you saw

the picture, this is what it's supposed to look like, that's my whole goal is like that's what I want you to get it also this is also a time crunch too like I had a weekend to do it because the next week if after I got everything shipped the next week me and my business partner and my wife and both our wives we're all flying to New Zealand and we're going to be gone so like it had to get done I'm like my hand'll be fine you know like I'll have the time when I'm on the vacation it'll kill but it was a it just thing. Time to get that.

I never would have thought that I would have hurt my finger flicking paint on it to a little, like a little, like, leather donut. Really funny. That is, that is. Yeah, I remember Chris initially

was making that, like, we're supplying the leather for you, right? But now, have you, is he still supplying, or have you got to source somewhere else? So Chris actually never supplied the leather. Oh, okay, okay. He gave me a bunch of, like, swatches. to do, like a different leather styles.

And like, leather thickness is. Yeah, leather thickness is. Yeah, leather thicknesses, leather, um, uh, different, um, like chrome tan versus veg tan, all those different minutia, um, basically sent all that to me. And I'm like going back and forth and we're on the phone, like, trying to figure out this and, um, I could see your OCD in over that for a while to pick the right one. Well, that was also like why when the eclipse trip launched initially, because like, we had like we got the run like the run finish and everything it's like now I'm sitting on this like

large of some of money that has been put out and then I'm like these have to sell luckily the the the leather is a an upgradable piece so if anyone bought like an original eclipse grip they can buy a leather now and it will just go right on the same guy smart all right uh one other story I saw that made me chuckle um so it seems like you're really hard to get upset that it takes you a takes a lot of work to get you mad. So is there a story you want to tell, start to finish, of how your wife and one of your buddies devised? No, God damn it.

What is that? Devised. Devised a way to get you upset so your wife could see you mad before actually getting married to you. Because that's how it's worded, and I just think that's hysterical. Yeah, so they, they, um, so my wife, when I moved into my buddy, like, we end up living the same house.

And without me knowing, they came up with a plan. We've already engaged. We have a couple months before the wedding. And they were apparently talking. And she had told my buddy that she had never seen me mad, like really, like, upset about anything. And they devised a plan over the next couple months to try to get me mad and try to get me angry. And I'm like, for months, I'm like, why are they all just being, like, dick?

all the time. They're just being like assholes constantly and I don't, the one thing I don't like is like people are yelling and like, well, I'm driving. I usually don't get super angry about it and just like, it annoys me. But they started like screaming in the car and I ended up like, it was

my wife and my buddy in the car. I ended up turning him and I was like shut the F up and screamed at him. And then I immediately turned my wife's like, I'm not mad at you. I'm only mad at him. That's right. but it was months of them like trying to give me angry and they almost

had like given up and I'm like I'm just there like just go with flow I'm like it's whatever I mean try to just enjoy life best again but yeah it was a did not know that was happening and until like a week after

that happened too because they all were like tiptoeing around me for like the next day because I never scream around them in they were just like, we did it. But now what do we do? Nice. Anything else you see, Jerry, for we getting us some games?

Nah, I am. All right. I am ready to go. I feel you. Big Matt. I call you Matt, but you're Matthew on all your things. Do you not like to be called Matt or are you, you don't care? I feel bad if I call you the wrong name.

Nah, I'm not used to kind of care a little bit when I was younger, but it's like, I don't care. All right. I get called Porter all the time just because teaching, no one, half the time, no one ever knows your first name. Gotcha. Or coach.

It's usually coach or Porter. I feel bad. Sometimes it's like, I don't know, I'm going to, I see Matthew on the screen. I just called you Matt for the last two hours. So my dad.

Whatever. All right. So it always is bad on there because that's what auto-populated. I got you. So FMK, you're familiar with FMK? Yep. All right.

So I'm going to give you three topics, kind of just go through and go through the gauntlet with them. I'm going to go Lord of the Rings on this and three Lord of the Rings subjects. So Lord of the Ring books, Lord of the Ring movies, going to the place, and correct me if I'm wrong, going to the place where some of the Lord of the Rings was filmed. That's something you just did, right? Yeah, no. So those three. So books, movies, visibly seen landscape. I mean, you got to marry going to New Zealand and all the different things that it's all there.

Like, that was, like, absolutely good, like, I want to go back. Like, I didn't want to come home. Yeah, I saw some pictures you sent me. They looked really, very pretty. Oh, it's insane. As far as the other two, it's so hard because every, it's all so good. But I am, I like the books more than the movie. I would F the books and then I would kill the movies.

Should I revisit the books? I want to say I listened to him on audiobook like 15 years ago. It was such a poor quality audio book that I couldn't really get into it. I'm curious if there's like a better rendition of it now. There's some, I think Ian McKellen may have done it. Okay. I definitely listened in like the late 2010s probably when I first started getting the audio books like 2008,

9, 10, something like that. And it just, it wasn't for me. It was so fucking boring. They kept, they kept stopping to take tea breaks, but just like on an audio book, it was just very,

very not. So I think I'd listen to the first two books. Don't remember if I did Hobbit, and I don't think I finished the third book. So I'm, like, I've just,

it's one of the few series. I've kind of left open-ended and just never. Yeah, we'll see the Hobbit is quite different. Like, the Hobbit is one we're like, it's,

it was meant to be more as like a kid's book. Mm-hmm. So it was like a very different, it's all the same, like, like, realm, I guess. But it's, it just was, I'm not as big a fan of that one as yet for, uh, you don't like the movies because you're so attached to the books. Like, like, if you didn't know. It's so close between the two. It's like literally like a razor edge. Yeah.

Okay. Good to know. Okay. My turn. I'm still here. I've just been quiet and dealing with. children and stuff, sorry. So this one might

see if it lands. Do you know what Mount Rushmore is? Yes. Okay. So you have your Mount Rushmore of Targaryens. You'll put Agon the Conqueror on there.

I mean, you got to put uh, De Naris on there too. Maybe it's just, uh, she went a little nuts at the end there, but,

uh, the books aren't out yet. So who, we'll see when, that final book's not finished. See how, see how it goes. Yep.

Um, I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, Damon, Targaryian. That's, that, that, he's just a, just a cool character.

Um, and there's one more I got to put on there. Um, Yes, we'll go John. He's a Targaryen. John's not. He technically is. Okay, good call.

Good call. Well, then you passed those games. Keith would normally be doing an affiliate read right about now, but Keith is predisposed. So, of course, you have Barbell Rescue, Code Unpaid. You have Home JimCon, which is coming up. So if you don't have your tickets, use Code Unpaid and get those. Get your 10% off.

And the Strength Co. Apparel, which also applies. to ammonia if you don't want to worry about traveling over the border with your ammonia you can use code unpaid to get those. So that would mean the next one is unpaid or underrated. Can you explain the rules to

unpaid or underrated? Matt, do you know the rules to unpaid or? I do not. Okay, so it's kind of like there's this game that these other guys used to play and they don't play it anymore which was overrated or under

rated, but ours is a different version where it's unpaid or underrated. Oh, yeah, that can I get you. So unpaid sucks. Nobody wants to be unpaid. And underrated means not enough people appreciate it. So we're going to give you about three topics each. Keith is probably going to start first. And you, of course, have your druthers.

You are allowed to druther it up. But ultimately, you can't write the line. Got it. All right, Keith. You go ahead, buddy. I am back. Big Matt, you, Matt, Matthew,

unpaid or underrated. Matt, you, Matt, he's. Yeah, I caught it. You over there. Unpaid or underrated. The presidential fitness test. Oh. Um,

I mean, that's, this might be a hot take because it's like, I think it's, um, unpaid. I don't.

Not helpful. I think it was end up causing more issues than it solved. I actually think the new thing they're doing now is the pacer test. It's a little bit better component of it. The only issue is the people,

the parents of the kids don't know what it is and they're like, why isn't it the presental fidges test? Like, I want my kid to get the award that used to get. You used to be a proper country. Yeah. You would erase the beeps back and forth And you would get an award.

Yeah, now it's like, oh, we're actually testing the kid to see where they are, to see how we can help them improve their fitness. And was that only something in elementary school? I don't remember ever doing it in elementary school. And then, like, once I got the middle school and high school, like, there was no, like, standardized testing or anything like that. And I guess I don't know when that test went away. Yeah, I was in elementary school when they were doing that as well.

And then my, I think the last one, first I know that, did my cousin want it? And he's, like, 10 years younger than me. but then after that, I don't think they did it anymore. Gotcha. So maybe the mid-2000s they went away. Okay. And what, so, okay, so you would have never, because I guess, what grades do you teach

or were you involved in? K-35. Okay, so it would have, so it definitely isn't something that it's actively going in in Florida then if you're, is that bread and bunner time frame? See what happens. I mean, they're trying to push it to bring it back. But now I think that's.

because I did just Google it. I was like, what's it called again? I knew it was like, I was trying to get the right term for it. I do remember doing that as a kid. But that's, I think that's just a push to get the, I mean, they're trying. It's just the voting age. Like, oh, they want this. So, like, we're going to do that.

It sounds like we're adding it in type thing. But it's like, it is what it is. It's, they're not, they're never going to bring about how they had it before. Because it was, um, that could also be like the teacher that had didn't administer it properly. So maybe I have no idea what it actually was supposed to be. And maybe he was just a jerk. So I don't know. I remember.

Wasn't it like, like you had to see how far you could stretch and touch your toes or something was one of them, I think? Yeah, you had the, the, sit and reach. They had the, I think they had the, the mile test,

the mile was the, um, president of fitness, um, there was a pull up portion of it as well. We had the flex arm hang. I think you could pick one like one or the other for it and I think there was a

transition where like it used to be the pull-up only and then they did the flex arm hang and then I think they maybe did like a hang because like everyone was failing that yeah because like a lot of kids like can't do pull-ups and that's not like a like you don't have for a lot of kids like especially like you're looking at like seven eight year old

you don't have the muscle like the amount of muscle mass to be able to perform a pull-ups up. You get your handful of kids that it can bang out a whole bunch of them and you're like, oh, you're just a genetic outlier. And I was, I was, uh, gosh, I can remember it. It was middle school. So I would have been

probably grade. No, I think I did it in high school. So it would have been grade nine. Okay. I weighed 90 pounds. Yeah, I could flex arm hang. I had no weight. But I also had no biceps. I also had no, you know, lats, no shoulders, no nothing. Right?

yeah, and then you get the kid that is a little overweight and he's failing and they're like, well, you're not fit. Well, that kid was stronger than me in all aspects. He's on the football team. He weighs 50 pounds more than me, yeah, so I can see it. I don't even know what you're talking about. Here in Canada, we had a different version. I know I mentioned chasing the beeps where it was one of those.

That's the pacer test. And that would be the same. That's the same as the what's good they do now. Yeah, see, that was all. also a nightmare because it just tests your fatigue. It doesn't test your ability. It just is like how many times can you in between the beeps do this. It's also like how like when like when I do with the kids, like it's usually the it is it's a fun day for me but it's also like a miserable day for me because every class I will run it with the class because it for elementary school they don't

know how to pace themselves. Yeah. So the only test that counts is fifth grade. So that's the one that has the their scores actually like you have to record them and see where they are but you want to have those kids practice as to as well. Of course. First graders go as well and I'll line up with them and I was like, all right, if you're in front of me, you're going too fast. If you're behind me, you're going too slow. And the first grade that's not a big deal. They'll get to like 10 and then they're like, they'll, they're physical loud and everything. But you get some fourth graders that like play soccer and I try to like go with them so I can help push them. And I'm like, all right, we're at 90 now.

Like, I'm literally dying. But I will not let this fourth grader beat me at the point. Listen here, you little punk. I was like, I'm going to die. Ah, good stuff. Unpaid or underrated Oreos.

Definitely underrated and I have a problem. I cannot buy them in a regular size pack. I have rules that I've set in place for myself where I only can buy them at the gas station. Yeah, like the six pack or something. Yeah, so I have a limited amount that I'm allowed

to have. Smart. Because if I buy like a full container of Oreos, I will eat the entire thing. If someone buys me three containers of Oreos, I will eat every single one of them. They're so good. Yeah, I have a problem.

They're like the best bad cookie. They're the best mass-produced cookie out there in my opinion. So I've historically always loved like just the original. I don't like double stuff. I don't like this, that, the other. The wife's been getting double, I'm sorry, dark chocolate lately. And I hate dark chocolate, but the Oreo dark chocolate, it really doesn't taste like the dark,

it doesn't have that bitter dark chocolate taste that I, like, associate with dark chocolate candy. If you haven't had one, try it next time. Don't tell me. They're so good. But you probably won't see them in like the smaller amounts. You might have to get the bigger one, but have your wife throw away the rest.

but like they're the only ones I want to eat now because it's just it's not overly I'm sure I'm making you're making you fatter but goddamn like I don't find stuff as a you know this late in life anymore that like a better version of something I've had my whole life and like I hate fucking dark chocolate but god damn there's so much better in my opinion right now uh yeah for me it was the mint Oreos man that just hit me hard the mint vanilla and chocolate together yeah that was one of those ones where I was like I'll buy them for you honey and then I'm the one just eat numb you.

And you're like, oh, sorry, that means you get none. Oh, I'll go buy more. Are you a milk dunker with your Oreos? Yeah, I mean, if I plan in advance, have milk, but if I don't have milk, it doesn't matter. They're going to disappear regardless. They're getting Hoovered either way, yeah. I need a nice big old glass of milk and some Oreos.

She's been buying those now, and it's like, I'm proud of myself that, like, I won't sit there and eat the whole thing, but like I am having like two or three almost every day or every other day, which is like not good. But at least the willpower to, because like I know if I eat the whole thing, she'll fucking yell at me. And I rather, yeah, I'm more afraid to get yelled at and have a fight than I am to like, then I need to eat the Oreo. So like that's at least a bonus. But yeah, I feel you with not having the stuff in the house.

Like we were really good there for a long time, not having them. And it's just been a guilty pleasure for both of us recently. My wife hides them now. She works from, yeah, she works from home. And then she'll like leave, like, she'll buy a full thing of them. and then she'll take a few out and, like, put them aside. Like, it's like, you can have these. Yeah.

So that's what I'm allowed to have. And she hides the other ones. Unfortunately, I seem to find them too. Yeah. You go looking, don't you? Well, but that seems like one of those, like, how dare you? Thank you. Yeah.

But, like, don't do that. I'm a man. Thank you. Yeah. You know what I found recently? I was in line at Costco. and I'm not normally like an impulse buyer, but my kids love the yogurt covered berries.

You ever had those? The yogis. My kids love those. And then right next to them was this new one that I'd never seen before, and it was like $2 more. And I was like, I'm going to get the new one and see what happens.

And their yogurt covered blueberries, cranberries and cherries. I don't eat sugar. Like that's one of my things. I'm not a sugar eater. I got these, brought them home. had one and it was like the first time I did deadlifts. I was just like, this is the best thing I've ever had. So I, honey, come here. And I gave her one. And she was like, oh my, what are these?

So I gave my kids a couple because it turns out every six pieces is like eight grams of sugars. So we're just like, let's rein that in a little bit. Uh, geez, if you're that interested in finding them. I'll post a story or something, but I brought them to work. And I got everybody at work to try one. And now they're all going to Costco to buy them because they're that darn good. Oh, that's, I got to, I got to get that now. I actually don't have a Costco membership, but I have an Instacart membership. And I steal my buddy's Costco number so I can get Costco delivered to my house. Smart. And right before we got on the podcast, I actually got a, um, order. came in and my wife put something in the cart and I'm like I saw it I'm like I want to eat these

I'm so curious about them so they're they're dates but the dates have been like injected in the center with like a nut butter it's like there's some that have peanut butter that some have almond butter oh my and they're little they're in my kitchen right now I'm like I've been right when we get down I'm like I'm gonna crack that back I'm like I'm just so curious I'm like, it could be great. It also could be awful. Yeah. She packs them right now with mini eggs,

because mini eggs are my Easter thing. I love Cadbury mini eggs. I haven't touched the mini eggs. I've only been eating these darn yogurt berries. Sorry, Keith. You know another one left there. Yeah, do, but I'm trying. What the?

I don't know that I know what. What is what? Do I know what a date is? Like, is that like the small, dehydrated looking like grape that's all triveled up or am I, is that not a date? It's a dried plum. Okay, so yeah, I've had dates then.

I know what they've been. I'm not ready for this right now. We've had such a good episode. I didn't talk. You guys had so much fun. All right. Unpaid or underage. No, unpaid or underrated. Unpaid or underaged? What was that?

I think I did say that, yeah. Forging. It says something about you being a little forger of knives. Yeah, a little hobby. Yeah, underrated. I mean, I don't have time to do it anymore, and I get so frustrated that I can't, like, get to it anymore. But that's what, like, my, I guess, like, vice was before all this,

like, all the crazy business started. And I would actually, like, all friends and family, like, the, like, a birthday gift for something like that would be, like, a hand-forged knife. Oh, cool. Oh, I have one of those. Yeah, it take a long time to make, and it's like, I'm just doing it on the... I usually don't know that. That's a cool handle. Yeah, that's a Ramshorn handle.

That's awesome. And it's a... It's a trap of shit, so I don't want to play with it. Yeah. Yeah, there's actually the piece that I'm making for... It's not forged, forging, but it's going to be a lot of that grinding work to get the edge and everything. I'm doing a lot of that work into the V-wing. so it's going to have like contours to your hands.

So like as you grab it like there'll be not just where your thumbs go. It's like everything is like tailored to like the hand. Now did you use a hand model that doesn't have a deformed crippled hand like you? Dude, okay. So that's called Viking hand. Yeah. First of all, it is called Viking hand and my father-in-law had it. I have one good hand.

It's actually, it's very common, Matthew. and there's no way to avoid it. It's genetic. You have to get, I hate to say it, you have to get the tendons cut and then re-put together to fix that. If that's like a permanent thing that's happening to you.

No, it's, no, it's, I had surgery and it failed. Yeah, and that actually happened to my father-in-law the first time, too. We had to go for a second time. I used to be able to close it all the way. Yep. Like, down, and then I had surgery on it, but I couldn't open it all the way.

And then I had surgery on it. So now I can't open it all the way, or closed it all the way. Yeah. So, like, that made it worse, and it was a lot of money. It's a result of your... It's a result of the tendons, essentially turning into callus. So mine is a little bit different than that.

I got caught in a helmet. So I was a... Oh, okay. Yeah, I got... It was a DV in high school. I actually broke multiple bones in my hand as well, and then tore the tendent's, but I went back to defend a pass, and then my pinky got jammed in the guy's, like, face mask.

and then he rapidly turned his head and my pinky was like off to the side of my hand like a um like yeah it's like a kind of curlicue looking thing um and I'm the nut that tried to put a glove on over my hand because I wanted to keep playing that'll fix it yeah I didn't want to get taken out of the game so I wanted to tape it some other finger coat okay so I so I take it back it's not a genetic thing

and Keith is right to mock you. I also, I hit it and I refused to go to the doctor, so it healed broken. So when they actually went to go fix it, the likelihood it was going to heal properly was very low. So yeah, it was... But I put on the glove. The glove was so the coach couldn't see my hand

so I could keep playing. The rest of that game had to hurt so bad. if you'd made any tackle, or you're just, no, I got, they, I was able to,

the, the, keep playing for, like, four or five plays. And then I, I, I kept,

like, hiding my hand. And then, like, all right, Porter, get, get,

get your ass on the sideline, buddy. Yeah, they had me come over, and they're like, what's wrong with you? I'm like,

I hurt myself. Good. Uh, all right, my turn, I guess. Unpaid or underrated, sun exposure.

Oh, no, don't, Don't eat any of that. I'm literally wearing a hoodie with like thumb sleeves and yeah, definitely, definitely, like, unpaid. Like, do not, like, small amounts, but the amount that I'm in the sun, don't, don't do it. Yeah. Yeah, as a ginger, I concur.

I also hate sunscreen. Like, I hate the feeling of sunscreen. Yeah, it took me years. Sunbum is the only one I can wear. not detest my existence. That's exactly. That's the same one I have. And I only put it on my face and then I put it on my hands.

Yeah. But because I'm wearing these like long sleeves, I wear like, I wear long pants every day at work too. They're like the vented pants. But so it's like I go out of my way to like get out of the sun. I also have to worry about the same thing with, with, I learned the hard way that you can get a sunburn from welding too. Yep.

Yeah. That makes sense. And I was like, whoops, I didn't realize that could happen to have a torched arm. My wife likes to say that I could get a sunburn looking in the fridge too long. Because, yeah, we were out the other day on a hike on Friday. And it wasn't supposed to be sunny. And the sun was out for 10 minutes. And then I went back to her to the in-laws.

And late on the couch, Keith, you would love this. The cat was sleeping on the couch. No. And I was like, oh, hi, kitty. and then I put my head against the cat and then the cat wrapped herself around my head and we both passed out. And it was because I'd been in the sun for 10 minutes.

Oh yeah. Like, my body was just like, you're done, man. Like my shoulders were red, the back of my head was red. I was wearing a hat. She's got pictures. I'll send them to you, Keith. Unpaid or underrated, full cage squat rack. Oh, I mean... This was five years ago.

I would have had a different answer. But I'm going to go with unpaid. Like, it's not, I'm, I think you can get a lot more out of your space. Just do like a half-cade. I don't even have a half-cage now. I have a Frankenstein PRX folding rack that I've made. It's the, it's actually the Iron Bull Frankenstein uprights, but PRX folding brackets. So I have the one-inch or half it.

5 eighths holes. So if I make an attachment, I can test whatever I want. Oh, yeah, because Iron Bowl has that, you know, the one-inch five-eighth combo. And they make it in purple. And I have the problem with purple. Okay, last one.

We already touched a little bit on this, but I'm hoping this gets a bit of a heated answer from you. Unpaid or underrated, the final season of Game of Thrones. is it right it's hard this is where it's hard because it's the final season

I don't think is bad it's the final like two episodes because like if you stop like in the middle of the final season and I'm like I think you're happy and you're just like

if you just never know the other part of it it would be I think right when she kills the White Walker right where she like figures out how to do it

should have been the end of the show damn it. And, uh, see, you're right. Yeah. Even Zoom is agreeing. And then, uh,

the dark episode. And they were like, well, it's your fault for having a shitty TV. Like, that was their response. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just, it's just like slow, like a little bit more downhill, a little bit more downhill. And then we just like, let's just turn it right into the side of the brick wall. I'm like, oh,

yeah. That's how we're going to end it. Yeah. The Mountain and Jamie Lannister Fall off the side of a building. What? Like, what?

We've been building up to this for years and years and years and years And it's like, how? Good, good writing, guys. Good job. So was that unpaid or underrated? Definitely unpaid. I just wasn't sure I caught that. I will hijack it a little bit

just because I know when I stepped away to go to the bathroom, you guys were talking some Game of Thrones. Did you touch base on the tail of Dunkin Egg? or we were just talking about the other one with the other new there's like there's three shows now have you watched no no no no so I gave him the Mount Rushmore of Targaryans

yeah yeah yeah no we haven't actually talked anything about that probably the best Game of Thrones show yeah if anyone I've I like those books better than I like the Game of Thrones books just like I read all the novellas um as just why I listen to him as like two big audiobooks I think but uh yeah

I want more. I wanted it to be longer. I wanted more, more, more. Six episodes, like, how dare you? Yeah. Go ahead. That might be a good thing, though, because then they make sure it's good. Yeah.

And they actually spend their time of, like, kind of putting the actual, like, thought behind each episode, building up the characters and everything, and not, like, dragging it out, like, trying to, like, force it right away. So they can actually get the next one, like, spend time. But we'll see how they do. but I really enjoyed that series so far. And the edging is the only way I can describe it of him actually fighting. Like it doesn't even happen until the fifth episode or something like that.

And he's not great. And it's like, thank you. Thank you. He's like 15 in the books. So they're trying to like, that's like the whole storyline is he's literally a kid. Yeah. It really was, I think, the best one. The House of Dragons, it is what it is.

I'm not amped about the new season. I'm more excited about Wednesday than I am the House of Dragons. That's kind of wild. I mean, it's fine. It's like the visuals are cool. Yeah, exactly. You get to actually see dragons in this one. Whereas the other one's like it was not nearly as much.

I'm like, oh, this is the different jaders. Like, oh, there's multiple dragons and the dragons are going to fight. Oh, cool. That's a little bit more, like a little more different than we've seen before. the one episode where Dunk was like a kid kid and like he got so attached to his like his friend and then just that way they did her dirt I was just like I was gutted

I was like that that I mean spoiler alert that death meant more to me I think than like half the deaths on Game of Thrones and like she had like eight minutes of screen time but it was just so fucking like it caught me off guard I mean it shouldn't have caught you off guard it's challenge oh baron dying was probably the biggest thing in Game of Thrones.

No. The Viper. Well, yeah, yeah. You're talking about the... Yeah. But I think I remembered that. Because he wanted him to win so much. I think right before that happened,

like, I remembered in the book that that happened, I believe. I'm pretty sure. Maybe it didn't happen in the book. I'm not... I'm pretty sure I didn't... I wasn't surprised by that, I guess, like in the moment,

because like during the hug, you can kind of, like, it's foreshadowed or whatever, but I don't know. But I do remember, like, I've read some, I do a lot of like YouTube companion stuff

to like shows that are actually in-depth like that sometimes of like a recap one and they were like kind of and like companion podcast to it and they were talking about how like the whole backstory with the girl like it wasn't that

it was just a couple dudes or whatever like in the books so then like that was completely out of left field for me and then having them just just slitter throat or whatever I was like oh god damn it but yeah

no I'm with you on that one too you really that attached yeah I definitely am with you on that but I still think the death of was his name of Barron I can't think it. I can't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Auburn. O'Bring to be guy. Oberyn Martel. Yeah, yeah. And he, like, he fought the mountain. And then he thought he had won, but he was too busy bragging in the mountains. Oh, you're talking about that.

Like, like a grape. Oh, yeah, yeah, I got you. Like, tell me, I was watching that with my friends. That was pretty bad. One of which passed away right now. And, like, I literally stood up and I was like, what? Because I hadn't read the books. I don't know.

Well, I guess I meant more of a sad emotion, more than, like, a jump scare, I guess. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. No, I'm with you on that too. That's... Reading the books, like, changes your perspective on that, too. Like, you're like, oh, I know, this is like, this is coming.

This is coming. Whereas the, like, this... The girls, like, it wasn't really in the, like, the stories. It's, like, happened. You're like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. Oh.

It was good TV. Like, I don't know. It really was. It's, we are, thankfully, I guess, I don't know, like, we're living in an era where there's some good TV. We're lucky enough to have, like, lived through good TV. Like, our movies might side. but like our TV is pretty damn good.

Well, yeah. I had to buy HBO again because I didn't have it for a while. Then I'm like, this came out and I'm like, oh, I heard all like the buzz where I'm like, oh, I got to buy it. I know what I'm doing Sunday nights for two months. So you passed on paid and underrated. I did. What else you guys watching? I'm watching Daredevil right now.

It's freaking amazing. Yeah, I'm up to date on Daredevil. Invincible is like my crutch right now. I'm up to date on that. I don't have Prime and I won't get it. But I know the boys just came out, so I might get prime for the boys. I'm, I watched those two episodes today. I am watching nothing right now.

It's like that was my, I'm too busy. What do you, so do you throw books in? Do you throw a podcast in? Like you're out in the shop working for a couple hours every night, probably. Podcast books, a lot of audiobooks. So you found that you can't just have a tablet with a TV show on? it's too distracting. No, I can't.

Because I have, like, a lot of, if I'm doing work in the shop, it's like, it's very meticulous. I need to be paying attention. Like, actually visually paying attention to what I'm doing. Because if I'm, like, looking up at something else or if something happens, like, and I, like, if I'm in middle of a weld and, like, I hear something happening. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, oh. Yeah.

The weld is ruined. Yep. That's pretty good. I'll give you one that I, I've spoken about before here. It's called Old Gods of Appalachia. So if you can find that on. your podcast list. It sounds familiar.

It's an Eldridge horror-based takes place in Appalachia. And just like the first season's kind of weird because the guy is by himself and he's doing all of the voices. But then he gets a woman coming in and do the women voices and it gets much, much better after that. And then Rusty Quill picks it up and the production gets better. Yeah, absolutely. I'm hooked.

And they do an episode right now. I think they're on season six or nine. I'll never know. But it's like every two weeks and I'm waiting with bated breath for the next episode. So if you like that kind of like scary, gothic kind of horror-based stuff, this stuff is amazing. The way he describes things. Yeah, that's a good one to have in your ear while you're doing stuff. It won't take your like vision off of your weld obviously, but it is like it's riveting.

Yeah, I definitely get to check it out. He weld, he doesn't rivets. I do love the work, Jaddy rivets. Yeah, okay, good deal. You don't know. I do a lot of work. Yeah, we can tell. I'm one more like if I don't know how to do it, I have to, I have to, it's not an option.

It's I have to learn how to do it. We've learned that about you on the notes there, that it's one of those like, if it's necessary, you're going to dedicate your time and learn it. and I mean obviously it shows look at these things behind you I'll hop on calls with a Kurt the Kurt Lugger and then we'll go like because he's very similar to me where it's like if you're going to do something you you do it right and like you have to learn how to like I don't have to do it like I have to know how to do it so you go down this rabbit hole of like every little minutia of how to do it

and then even like experimenting like what if I do it like this tread this way like this is not how you're supposed to do it but like if I do it like this, maybe it'll work. And then finding ways, because I don't have the tools to make the things that I, like, a lot of things I'm making. But I'm like, how can I make the tools I have, make the piece that I needed to make and still make it at a, like, and the quality is still the quality I want from it. So a lot of like redneck engineering and like figuring out all that stuff. It's like going, it's just, I can't turn it off. Before we get into the next segment, again, I was very quiet for the whole episode, but mostly it's because, like we talked about earlier, I'm in a ton of pain and I'm exhausted.

But I do have my second win. What's the hardest thing you had to teach yourself? And second, what's the most rewarding thing you taught yourself? Good question. CAD, because it's on a computer and I have to sit at a computer. I agree. F that noise. Yep. And like I can do, I'm, I can, I'm, I could, I'm very slow at it. So like I have a buddy that's better at, then I basically like hand draw stuff. And I'll get like a rough thing out there. Like, oh, I need to do this. And like, he'll help me, like, dial things in now. So that's helped a lot of the process. But like, it's when I'm like, I should spend more time to get good at that because it does like slow down a lot of stuff. Or it's like, I have the thing in my head and I'm like, I don't even do that.

the cat, I go out there and I'll just bend the piece. And then I'm like, all right, and it's, I visually concede in my head. And I build every from, like, from what I'm just envisioning. And then now that I've made the piece, and then I'm like, it's, I made something really cool. But I'm like, okay, now I have to find a way to, like, make more of these. The way I made the thing is not mass-producible because it's in my head. Like, and I, and I, and I'm trying to, if I try to outsource that to, like, a small I mean if I like small shop near me.

I'm like, I can give them the things like, can you make what I made? And they're like, how the heck did you do this? And I'm like, I'll come show you once and then figure it out, right? Or they're like, how many hours did you spend doing this? And I'm like, I don't know until I finished. Don't worry about it. All right, all right. I think the final thing that we want to do, of course, we are going past way, way past two hours.

Um, do you have anything for us that you want to ask us, play games or anything like that? I don't know. It's actually getting way past my bed. So I'm getting tired. I go to bed at usually 8.30 and I wake up at a 4 o'clock in the morning to work out. So it's like, I'm getting, I'm like slowly like loose in steam. It's ever going. I hear you. I'll stop bugging you then. Just got to say that purple is gorgeous. Yeah, I'm looking at it. I've been looking at it all night. It's absolutely gorgeous. That's, a good color. Yeah, you're getting something that like pops and it's, I have a problem with purple.

It's that purple and black, that's my, that's my theme. It's a good color. I have one quick one. Does your wife not help at all? Like, as far as, is she allowed to come help you pack boxes or anything like that? Or is she banned from getting in your way? No, she'll be packed boxes and stuff. It's just a lot of it, if I'm like, there's like, like, very,

like meticulous steps that are going to all for some of the assembly stuff. Like it's just like a lot of like it is sometimes takes more time to explain what I'm doing versus just doing it. Yeah, just to do it. But like luckily the, the best seller has been the eclipse grip and it is

super simple. And then I've been back and forth if I like, for the leather, like do I install it or do I just send it with like a video like how to install it? So I've gotten to the point where I'm over there. There's so many that have sold. I'm like, I'm just going to have to put the leather in the box with the adhesive and just have a video with it. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's only like that's hard.

No, it's just, but when you have to do that over hundreds of pieces, and I'm like, it's like, well, that, that was a lot of time. Yeah, no, I think I think it's a smart move is to save the few minutes every, you know, those few minutes times 100, that's hours right there. So let's, let's get that time back for you. All right, big Matthew, one more time. Where are they going to find you at? Yeah, so it's on Instagram. it's Porter underscore Fizzed. Also the same name on YouTube,

but I am very bad at posting anything on there. And then my website is porter P-E-F.com. And I think I said it earlier. The Eclipse scripts are going to actually be back in stock at 12 o'clock tomorrow. By the time you're hearing this, they're sold out. Yeah, this will come out next Tuesday. And there might be like one.

Like I forgot to put in stock Did I forget up in stock? He may have to send me a message on Instagram or something Fell under the table. Yeah. Big Joey where you got? Joey underscore Mlesco, M-L-E-C-Z-K-O or the DILF dungeon on Jim Radar.

Hit me up for gym stickers. I'm running out, which means the more people ask, the faster you make me have to do a reorder. Oh, got to do a trade. Yeah, we can. We got the Instagram, unpaid and underrated podcast. the website, unpaid internpodcast.com.

Go chat in the Discord on the UNU channel on Mathonomics Discord. We love seeing all the feedback on there every week and all the good banter in Discord there. I'm Keith Honeycutt on Heath and I Got 73 on Instagram. More importantly, go follow my Orange Gym than a wine seller. Until then, see you next Tuesday. Hey, Big Nate here, by the way.

Just a quick editor's note. Matthew started sharing just some stuff going on in his personal life that we, here at unpaid and underrated, thought it would be important to just include in our episode. Since it wasn't a part of the main episode, the conversation kind of doesn't act like our normal episode. So there's some stuff in there where they're talking about. Will this get included and things like that? So it's a little chaotic, but we find it really important just to include all this information. So go ahead, take a listen. Thanks. I think Keith you know this

from my Instagram, like my dad and brother both passed away from diabetic complications. So I want to find a way to like, I'm one, I don't know when I'm going to do it, but I want to have like a fun raise of where it's like every, every like sale I do during this timeframe, there will be like a certain amount of money that will go towards the American Diabetic Association. And I have a product that I sell with me, but it's in the background still. It's like not a, I don't share. It's like a little sign piece. My brother was making, let me grab one.

These Jim Rack signs a while back. And they're like magnetic, they're aluminum. And then I basically recreated them with Nate from executive to fit. He's done with the epoxy. But found a way to like kind of promote those. But I need to get with Nate to make sure he's like ready to do that as well. And I haven't talked to him and get that. on the site. But stuff like that where it's like a lot of what I'm doing, because my brother

taught me how to do most of the stuff that I'm doing. And my dad also like was integral and like helped me like learn how to do a lot of like just the DIY stuff. So it's like that's like a, I guess the backbone of the business is like the two really close deaths that recently have. And this has been in the past two years. I mean with the business going like my so I give it like time. My mom had a stroke. My wife's dad died. And this was all since 2020. Mom had a stroke, late 2022. Then my wife's dad died. And then my mom in the beginning, like the sick again. And then my wife's mom died of cancer. And then my brother. ended up passing away and like a dive at a complication in a car.

And then in this past July, my dad passed away. But this is all happening in the background, like while all this is happening at the same time. Like trying to find a way to like to tell that story. But it's like it's so hard to talk about. It's like it's it's some things are more fresh than others. but like even like with my there's other like

my uncle passed away that same time I was close with him and the week after my dad passed away my dog passes away and that was like my I had a soon as puppy

like 15 years but like all of those things it's trying to find a way to like articulate those in a like a setting and like letting people know like more of like

the story behind like what's going on yeah because like all that stuff it's like I don't like the day people pal like I let people know what's going on like which like hey things are me like slow but like all that stuff because like I don't visually show people like I say I don't like I'm only like I don't like go up and down it's more like a steady all the time um but like all that's happening and I'm like I don't know how to share this information well luckily we're still recording and I'm sure sure Nate is going to hear this and want to include some of it. Yeah, it's entirely

to you. We can include everything you just said and just have it be a part of the post show or we can cut it. It really, it's entirely your discretion. If you want to come back on in the future and join us for, you know, or even just record a two-minute thing and we can have that be our pre-show of you promoting the thing with Nate. Like, you can do however, you know, the world's your oyster and every way. Yeah, if he can, I mean, if he can find a way to like cut it where that rambling makes sense, like you can put it's like it is it is like the if a lot of those things didn't happen

I wouldn't have done a lot of this stuff because it's like this was my like therapy this is my distraction this was like what kept me going because I'm like I have something to do because I can't control like somebody dying of like a what's my like my brother like he had a low he was driving to like a store it had a low blood sugar episode, passed out in a car,

and then the car battery, like the car was on, the car died, but this was August in Florida. So it's over 100 degrees. And he ends up passing away, and it's like, it was a stunning shock. Like, my dad, I'm literally driving to my mom and dad, helping them, and they, he ends up having basically like a low blood trick episode that ends up kind of like tying into

the thing they don't really know what it happens. It's aneurysm like a massive heart attack but it's all from these diabetic complications. He ended up like almost saluting this for like multiple like um infections he was dealing with. But like I was like all of this stuff that I'm doing is just

what kept me going. So like everyone that was like supporting me like purchasing the stuff like if that wouldn't have happened I'm not really sure what would have have come to anything? This is like, this is the stuff. It's like, it gave me something to do.

Gave me something to fixate on that I can, like, I can fix this thing. I can, like, like, I can fix this product, like, this, like, style of product. I can dial it in. I can make the, what I think is the best, like, product for this piece. And that was kind of like what I was, all this stuff was in the background. I'm like this, but this is like, I don't say it's my why, but like, it was just like my distraction that kept me moving forward. Yeah, I knew a decent amount of that stuff,

but I didn't know really how to, you know, I probably should have got with you beforehand. I mean, like, do you want to, how much, how deep, because like this, we literally do let people share. Like, we've had people tell us some very traumatic stories on here, and it's therapeutic for them, and that's great. You know, it lets people, you know, show that you're human, but I don't like to force it.

So I didn't really push any buttons or anything, but I think we should include all, everything. We just, I think this whole thing should be part of the episode personally, but it's entirely few. Yeah, I mean, I'm definitely now to put it in it. I think it was maybe the, maybe the best I've done it articulating, like, what's going on,

because it's like, it's hard to, to explain it and hard to like, to. It's a lot, dude. That's so much, that's so much loss in like three. That's so much loss. That's enough loss for a life. Like, that's more loss than most people have in a lifetime. You experienced that,

and you and your family experienced that in a few years. Like, that's, that's hard. A lot of people wouldn't come back from that. So I'm glad you found this crutch in your business. Yeah, I mean, it was something more like, like, it would be like something's happy on my wife's side and somebody's happy on my side and something's having my wife's side. And it was like back and forth, back and forth.

And I'm like, we can't. I mean, luckily, we have some like great friends and everything. Like they were able to like, like, like, we kind of piggyback on their vacations, like getting to go to New Zealand, stuff like that. Like they basically like, they'll cover a bunch of the, the stuff and we just pay them back as it goes because I'm like as a teacher I'm like we can't be able to just like

throw that down and be able to do all that um so like that was nice to have like some some like travel therapy um yeah like we went to Ireland Skyline went to New Zealand Australia um and like a couple like a little like so much of smaller trips in the

in between but it's just been it over and over and over again like small little thing small little thing but I'll get with Nate and talk to him about the signs and he's crew, isn't he? I don't believe. I don't think he is.

I'm pretty positive. He's not. If he is, he's definitely not in the discord. I don't know. Like, that's what, there's tricky though, because like there's hundreds of people that aren't in the discord probably, maybe not hundreds, but there's a fair amount that aren't in, but they just kind of support Tommy and Tanner on the back end, but I don't believe that Nate is, no. Okay. Yeah, I thought he might have been, but I'll reach him to him.

Could be wrong. Yeah, I'll reach up to him and seeing, like, where he's at on those. Because I do want to, like, try to promote them and bring them back. Because it's always been, like, small little, like, sections. And I probably will do, like, the month of whatever the, like, diabetic awareness month is. Yeah. Like, that month, like, a dollar, every proceed for every order or something like that goes to it. And have, like, a direct donate button in the website.

Because it's, it was one where it's, like, it was like, that in, I mean, diabetes and cancer have, like, destroyed, like, my family the last couple of years. I wish I could give you a hug right now, but I'm very sorry to, that's just, that's so much in such a short period of time. I, a lot of people wouldn't come out of that darkness, okay. Yeah, it's one where it's, like, even just telling the story, like, it, because it's, kind of like, I'm on the other end, like, I know that it doesn't even seem like a lot because I'm like I've already like did like

all that and it's like but when I told people that they're like what who did you anger that's the bad luck yeah well

certainly be to over the Debbie Downer probably we have this game we like to play this is I know you're not a big consumer of our podcast Yeah, what he just said is kind of the joke. We'll pick it, not necessarily pick at wounds, but like, inevitably, like, we've had people that, like, you know, relive childhood trauma inadvertently.

And then just the way the podcast goes, now we play this game. And it's just a funny bit. But I didn't know how, you know, to really broach that or how it fit into the episode. In hindsight, I wish we kind of included all that. But I think maybe it was better to save to the end because you not necessarily were nervous, but, you know, let the podcast be about the business and, you know, promoting you and your brand and, you know, getting to know you. And then I feel that if you, uh, if you were, if you as a listener checked out before the post show, you kind of missed out on getting to know, you know, some more about Matthew. And, uh, I think that was a very good story. I think it's going to resonate with a lot of, I think everyone's dealt with loss.

So everyone, everyone, I mean, that's like, I think that's like the most centralized thing. people can have camaraderie over. Everyone's lost some loved ones. But when it's someone's lost that much love and that short period of time, it's just, I think that it's going to hit a lot of people hard this week and definitely going to be some teary eyes. But, you know, that's part of the reason we do this is this isn't just the fun podcast. This is a let's actually get to know this person as a human.

And that's what we do here. Hong Kong.