Unpaid And Underrated - 156 : The Massenomics Ecosystem (ft. Big Pavlo)

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Pavlo. They dive right into great topics like rats, grilled watermellon, Ukrainian cuisine, EDM, and strongman. Links Ü&Ü Hoodie Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab Get Your Own Keith Head Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast Our Guest On Instagram @narrow_pavlo Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar @joey_mleczko Special Guests: Big Matt and Big Pavlo.

And welcome back to episode 2803 of the unpaid and underrated podcast, a podcast by crew for crew. I'm one of your host, Big Keith, joined as always here by Big Joey. As always, because we are the Beatles, aren't we? The boy band of the future. We are. Are we the boy band? Like, there's so many, there's so many, there's so many crew podcasts now. Like, are we the boy band version of it, or is the other ones the boy band version because there's more of them?

Like, we'd be the boy band. We're just a duo. So, uh, was it the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, We're the Simon and Garfunkel. I guess they would have, you know, get the boy band tribute since there's more of them. But yeah, this week we've got me, Joey, we got Pablo here. We got Big Matt joining us for a few minutes, it looks like, helping us out with general topics. And anybody drinking anything special this week?

Anything worth chatting about? No, getting just. Giant water because it's hot as hell in the buffet. Yeah, yeah. Me too. Well, it's blurred. I have something brand new. Oh, buddy.

I finally got my hands. It's a key. Oh, wow. That's a new one. Yeah. I finally got my hands on a liquid death, Dr. death.

Is that the Dr. Pepper? I guess. I haven't tried it yet. So we're going to try it here. I guarantee. I want to guess you're going to give it like a two out of fun. Two grams of added sugar.

G. Moof. Yeah, that's going to be, that's going to be tart. It's going to be like sucking on a freaking, you know, sweet tart.

all right he's he's he's he's opening up a uh a little it's just a little can't too it's not even the big boy and it's weird let's see what's he think i'm gonna guess it's gonna be shitty it's gonna be a three at a five jd powers yeah sure uh initial flavors yeah probably but then that after taste like it sits on your time yeah like it's knocking it down to like a two because like yeah you get hit and you're like hey that's dr pepper and then there's just this musty. It's almost like I breathe in dirty carpet. I think that's where the name

comes from. When you first take a sip of it, it just tastes like liquid, but then after it resonates for a second, then it's death. So it's liquid death. It always tastes like shit after about two seconds. So that tracks. I'm still going to finish it. Like, I'm dedicated. It's not kombucha. I'm not going to dump it. How's it compared to let me chel and Um,

uh, you like kombucha? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No.

Yeah. No. My, my wife likes to drink it. And then she gave some to my daughter one time. And then I was like, you, you know there's alcohol in kombucha, right? And she was like, well, not enough.

And I'm like, yeah, her liver is not done yet. So like, let's not give her any alcohol. Um, it's fair. But no, I don't like kombucha. Cambucha, honestly, like it, yeah, It tastes like detritus from a forest. But if you like it, hey, good view. I'm not going to yucky or yum, unless you like the Beatles, apparently.

And I'm going to get you so mad at me that I was going to talk about music. Or the Eagles, you're what? Well, the Eagles suck. Fuck you. You're wearing one of my favorite shirts. What you got on, buddy? Big Matt, what shirt are you wearing? Oh, you're into that.

Okay, I got it. Yeah, I got the unpaid underrated. It was the last large they had available, and it mostly fits. Nower, yeah, it's better than mostly mats or mostly squats. Ooh. When he gets around to listening to this, you're going to be in trouble. Is that the, is that the new shirt there, Pablo? That one of the newer ones you got, what you got?

Yeah, the raw power shirt in the best plate. Oh, you're not a comfort colors, man, huh? No, I have a few of them, but these just make me look like I actually lift. So, yeah, have to. What's your, what's your, like, height and weight? Because I do think a lot of that does factor into, like, people who like biggie-baggy versus, you know, the comfort color versus the athletic fit, if you will. I am 5-11 and a half and 225 to 230. Okay.

I could see that body type going either way, I guess, when the comfort colors or not. But I don't know. They do seem to be, you know, I think what's going to get three quarters of all the shirts are. We're going to be on that going forward, it looks like. So I hope people are getting used to. Although most of my weight is lower. It's a little bottom heavy. A little dog heavy.

We did. When I get the guest on later, I definitely have some comments about the lower portent, not the dog specifically, but the lower quadrant being a little more, you know, large in size. Oh, geez. That was such a bad segue. Oh, I definitely have questions about his, no, not his dong. So I kind of light on general topics, but we're going to hit on a big one probably to close out, I think. But I got a couple easy ones to get out of the way.

So the massonomics, they did their gym tour. I didn't get to listen to last night's live episodes. I kind of missed any chit chat about that. So more or less it would be an episode. Well, we might not have a, depending on the next week's episode, we might not actually cover it. So, yes, the boys went to Wisconsin, Chicago. A couple other big cities out there all over the place. Probably, I think they, every trip they go to, they always, like, say, we're going to get more, you know, I feel like they are getting more trips per day because they're just kind of like, you know, putting pen to paper and seeing what is most economical.

But I don't envy those long days that they have because it's just, but good kudos on them, though, because like they can turn it on at like the flip of the hat because I haven't watched a tour video. and been like, man, Tanner looks tired. So, like, kudos to them. Because I, I couldn't, like, act like that all day. Like, I couldn't be on that much of a high. I could do, like, one or two tours. And I'd be like, I'm good, dude. I'm going to go, I'm going to go sit in the hotel room for four hours.

Like, I'm just, I'm done. I've talked for eight hours. Like, I got to go. But so, um, Andrew Hanez's video already came out today. It's kind of, it's funny, too. I'd like to see, like, if it's all random or if there's like, hey, this is super relevant, it has to come out quicker on, like, how they, prioritize what episodes come out because like there's stuff from previous chores that haven't

trips i'm assuming that hasn't come out yet possibly and then we got one that was recorded like literally four days ago that came out already which is kind of as wild who's it whoa i saw they were in a wrestling ring and they were doing some wrestling moves that was kind of yeah i thought you'd see that uh i think i saw that gym i think huck finn toward that gym because it was a guy near him um but that should be you know a much better tour video when we actually watched the uh gym radio off version of it. And I had a quick story. I bought a, I picked up a stall mat this week off marketplace. And I just wanted to kind of like share like like marketplaces is usually some of like the worst experiences ever either as a buyer or a seller because people are just the worst. But like,

you know, I think the, the person had it listed for a 40 dollars for a stall mat. I didn't want to pay $40 for a goddamn use stall mat. But I'm always desperately trying to add more diamond plate stall mats because I'm just, I could use a couple more to expand in the gym in the basement and in the actually. So I think I offered 30 bucks. You know, they accepted it. I was like, sweet, you know, went and picked it up right after work and ended up talking to the person for probably 20 minutes. She's a, you know, someone I had recognized from a power lifting meet. We've competed together before in the past and I've really talked and, you know, just shoot the shit about lifting and juggernaut and our training and our coaches and just, it was just, it was, I wanted to highlight

that like every now and then you do get a good marketplace experience, you know, for me, it was just someone that actually, not just someone that just lifts, because, most times you buy something gym related, the person probably lifts, but like actively powerlifting. I think she said she was, you know, she was like a 39-year-old pregnant chick, so we're like basically the same age, you know, it was just a good experience. I just, I hadn't, I haven't left a purchase like, you know, with a positive mindset in the longest time. So that was just, you know, not all marketplace deals are bad, but most of them are is essentially where I was going with that. I think my best deals, I think my best deals, I think my best deals, have come from people who are getting rid of big lots of stuff,

and they have, like, actually good stuff. And it's, like, not crazy cheap or, like, great prices. But it's, like, fair. But I get a lot from it. Like, two-thirds of my gym is from that, and those have been nothing but, like, fantastic experiences. So if you can find somebody who's getting rid of a lot of stuff for whatever reason they just happen to be moving,

that's been my best experiences. Yeah. I had a good experience where I met someone. who knew massonomics, but wasn't a crew member. And they were like five minutes away from me. Oh, wild. Yeah. Actually, several people that have, like, turned into good friends and training partners over the years

or people that I've bought or sold shit to off, you know, Craig's Western Marketplace. So it was just the first time I've had a good marketplace experience. So I just kind of wanted to put some limelight on that. And let's see, we talked about Hannes' episode. That's, it's good and rate last week's episode. and then we can kind of get into the meat and potatoes, I guess. Big Pablo, is there anything you enjoyed about last week's Masonomics episode? Give us a little refresher on what it was.

Yeah, I always, it's always hard to remember because, you know, watching you and you, Massanomics, the pre-show, all that, kind of forget. But two things that stuck out to me. One, Tommy not getting any sleep and then being surprised that, oh, yeah, it's actually kind of affecting him. I feel that right now because my kids are not letting me sleep, and I wish they would. But tag teaming at one in the morning, one in the evening. And the big thing for me also was I agree that all these gym tours of the really famous people just have no personality.

I can't watch any of those videos because I'm like, well, I'm not just watch even older gym tours by Masonomics where people care about what they're doing versus. some guy who bought everything from just a large company without even suffering through marketplace at some point. I built character and there's no character in those gym. So I give it a five out of five six hour sleeps in a row. They'd be nice to get five hours of sleep six days in a row. Or six hours of sleep five days in a row.

Sanchez, you get a chance to listen to it. Yeah, I do like the training update, and I do like how Tanner just kind of follows a squirrel of like a training goal occasionally, wants to do a best mile and then trying to survive that mile or double overhand, whatever. He's like, I just want to try something else. And that just keeps training interesting, even if you don't have a goal or you don't have a meet or something. I guess for me, I'll give that five out of five keeping it interesting. Nice. Joey, did you get a chance, I'm sure? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Now, I'm also trying to get through the backlog. So I'm doing like, yeah, I'm doing like one to two episodes a day. And then I have to stop on Monday to do the new episode. And but I listen to that one slower, right? I'll listen to that one at 1.1, whereas I listen to the back. log at 1.3. So let me see if I get this straight. Tanner's knee is in rehab.

Tommy's not sleeping great. He still loves squatting, though. Tanner's bench is probably doing fantastic. I could have named, I think, about 100 episodes right there. Because I'm on episode 220. And I'm like, this might as well be episode 5 something because it's, you know, it's the Yeah, time is a flat circle. But no, definitely good episode.

I know they recorded right before they did this trip. So I'm going to give that a five out of five double-end, double overhand deadlifts. Nice. I tried one today, and it did not go great. I think my best is like 4.15 for a single or something, but I probably couldn't do that right now. now my my tendinitis is like right flared up so i was just doing block pulls and then i was i was doing them switch grip and then i was like wonder if i could double overhand this and the first thing like my right arm just went no i was like i dropped the weights and i was like all right all right

can be play it safe uh yeah uh yeah good good episode i definitely can uh relate with tommy i did i think unlike both of them i probably watched both of the full videos that coop put out and that Will Guy put out. Wasn't a fan of any of that content. It was so fucking boring. He was so excited about his gym. And I'm like, your gym fucking sucks, dude.

Like, you just dropped like $300,000 on this shitty gym with, it's got a bunch of equipment, but like, you did nothing to like cherry pick, like good pieces of equipment from different companies. Like anybody else would. But he,

I guess the one benefit was he did like bling it out specifically. Like everything was logoed with his own name and his own colors. So like, I can kind of give that. But I don't know. I know I'm basically reviewing those videos more than anything else because I can't fucking remember much from the episode off the top of my head. So I'm going to give it five out of five. Will Tennyson's gems sucks.

And that'll bring us to what I consider the most important part of the pre show or the pre general topics that we like to call it. When this comes out, we will have just surpassed a three-year anniversary from our first recording. So whatever the date was, I think like so, yeah, Monday. This will come out Tuesday. Monday, yesterday was our three-year anniversary. So I'm proud of us. I think that's awesome. Jesus, like, however many, that's a lot of episodes. 100 and, what is this?

This is 157. So 157 episodes, 158, if you count the 0-0, which we have to. So I don't know, man. This has been, I don't think anyone thought we were going to last three months, let alone three years. And here we are. And it's not like we're, We're scrambling for shit to do.

Like, I'm, we have our calendar booked out three months right now. Like, like, if someone asked me to get on the podcast, you're looking at like, fucking fall time almost at this point. Like, what's like all of August, I think is booked currently or damn near. So it's been life consuming, life change, improving. Like, I've, you know, it's got some drawbacks because it is a shit ton of time investment and mental. Like, yes, honey, I have to do. do this again this week.

Nope, it's again this week. Nope, I have to record this week. It's just like, you know, the people in our lives have sacrificed a lot for us to be here every week and to bring this to you guys. But I've got a lot out of it. I think Joey has. I know everyone, I'm hoping everyone listening has got a lot out of this. It's just been fun.

I'm kind of just rambling here, but like three years, do anything for three years and, you know, get back to me. And we've talked into a microphone looking at a laptop for three years straight. I don't know how they've done 10. That's wild. I think they, what they only have, Dave, they've edged us out because they, they started doing, um, video recordings probably four or five years ago, didn't they? Like, um, when did Tommy move to, did we start our, I guess what I'm getting at is, did we start our podcast before Tommy moved to Sue Falls? Oh, wow. I'm trying to think, have, have we been doing video podcast? Have we been doing Zoom podcast longer than they have? No, because I think they, yeah, we got advice from them on how to do it.

Tommy had already moved. Then we rejected that advice and did what we're doing now. Yeah, I definitely, I still can't believe I'm here. Sometimes I'm surprised I haven't been voted off the island. You know, invested the money in the microphone and the laptop and all that stuff just because my iPad wasn't cutting it. And still get to sit down every week. Sometimes meet new people, sometimes talk to friends I've known a long time. either way, definitely thrilled we're still here.

Want to shout out all the crew that steps up to give us a break every once in a while. There's too many of you to name, but I know Jen's really gone. Kind of, what's the one I'm looking for? Like, ham on doing really great episodes. Hogan has stepped up a few times when, you know, we can't. Joey's come in. Jeff's definitely, uh, Jeff, thank you.

Yep. Definitely. But I can't name everybody because there's like 12. of the 13 years that I'm just recurring when we're not here. But no, definitely, definitely Jeff had a really good episode. So yeah, just, you know, shout out to the crew for supporting us. I think we're still growing. Crew is approaching 800, 900 or something like that.

And I know that people are coming in and then seeing everybody talk about us. And, you know, and of course, big thanks to Tanner and Tommy for sponsoring us. You know, shouting us out every week. I think that when he started doing that, that definitely moved the needle for us when he started talking about who our guest was and what we do and all that kind of stuff. So,

Brady little sisters. Chaps my ass, I heard that way here. I love it, though. Like, you're the fucking sister, not us.

Honestly, the unpaid underrated Discord like channel is probably the most popping one right now. Yep. With all the episodes lately. So that's been crazy to see. That's been really cool. I feel like we've had to encourage that, but I don't feel guilty for doing that because it's made this seem a lot more fun.

Like, it's, I mean, we've said it before, but like, and especially, I think people are afraid to, like, talk about our backlog. And I'm like, no, like, I don't, I think I posted it today. Like, I don't care for you on episode three or, like, you're a month behind. Like, come here and chatter. Like, it's called Discord. Like, come here and have Discord. Like, it's literally what the app's called. Like, it's awesome for us.

And it's just that, that extra little, yep. You're thinking discourse. Am I, have I been fucking that up for? three years isn't so so discord is actually um like a chaotic and uh not compressed but like a chaotic sound that's really funny i've definitely have used because i've made that i've literally said have disc uh i've fucked that word up for like three years and many fuckers have called me out on it i just clued in that's actually funny because i've said oh man

i for sure have used that word wrong So many times in reference to just talking on the Discord and thinking that it meant to have it going through. Oh, God damn it. I hate you. I mean, it does get pretty chaotic in there. So it still kind of works. Like a Discord discourse.

But I love it. Yes. You get to hell like, like, yes. See in the, the chatter in there is pretty awesome. And I think that that's got to help pull people in to like become listeners or even if it's not. I don't know. Like.

I get it. It's a two and a half hour episode for a week, well, twice, basically. If you listen to theirs, you know. Yeah. That's like the true OGs that actually consume five hours of massonomics and you and you every week. Like, that's pretty like we appreciate you guys a lot. And the back catalog. Well, that should already, you should already be done with that. So I don't really count. I mean, that should already be done by now. Yeah, I definitely regret not starting sooner because the problem was every time I'd start, it would be. back in the beginning and they were just not for me and it wasn't until like a lot of shitty ones. Yeah, I don't think it was until like episode 200 or something that they finally like yeah, that I started being like

this is the massonomics that I know and yeah it just got now I'm flying through them. I think I was lucky I was able to listen to a bunch of them just like while driving so like that's what I do. If I was if I was I don't know like if I was more attentive I guess to the episode

Some of them would maybe be harder to consume, but I don't know. Everyone listening should have a good journey with the backlog in general, but our backlog, too. Yeah. So if you're listening to this, this is your first episode, as, you know, it will eventually potentially be someone's first episode. We appreciate you that you're here. We've got 157 episodes. You can go check out if this is what you like. And at least 80 of them are probably really good episodes, and the other ones, we're getting our bearings.

And learning microphones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, someone today was like, on one episode 20, Keith's internet really sucks. I was like, well, I did upgrade to fiber optic. I did get a new laptop that actually doesn't need an antenna booster because the Wi-Fi chip thing ended up so bad, receiver. And then, yeah, getting the microphone clicked on to Zoom that Nate in his IT department had failed me for probably. I like to say it was only six months, but I'm pretty sure it was like nine months to a year. So it was not a short period of time.

Do you got any affiliates you want to hit us with, Joey? Yeah, as usual, obsidian ammonia, plate snacks, and belt-fed strength. Use code unpaid, save yourself some percentages. You know, obsidian ammonia is the best pneumonia in the game. Plate snacks, most of you are already using to get your stickers to mail to me, which I'm getting like two or three a week right now, which I love. And I'm sending some out. I think I talked about sending to Australia last week.

That was wild. I think, yeah. Your $3 endeavor or whatever it was. It was $4. $4.4. So yeah. And then, of course, belt fed strength. Give Chris some attention.

Give Chris some love. Get your belts from him. He's got straps. He's got handmade leather stuff. He does great work over there. So I was wearing his straps this weekend in the rain because we were doing a card. Chris Mark has a strongman show in two weeks. And I think last week was actually,

at least night, well, whatever it is. It's in a week. And he had car deadlift was the last event of the day. It was raining all fucking morning. And it just kept, actually, I think he was supposed to do the car deadlift earlier, but we're like,

we'll just make it the last event because no one wants to get fucking wet and then come back in and do like keg over bar. So he was a bunch of us out there supporting him as he got some heavy lifts in on the car deadlift. And I jumped in and did a rep or a set. And I had my belt fed straps on. And one of the guys was like, because they're like, you know,

they're like fucking foot long, foot and a half long leather straps. and they're like, what the hell is this BDMS and shit you got on your hands? It's just like, but yeah, dude, deadlift, car deadlifting in a pouring, like, monsoon rain thing outside. It was a very weird experience, but pretty cool. Probably super cinematic, though. It was, I think. I definitely made it.

Well, my one friend had, she had like a really good front shot because you couldn't, I had, I just threw my phone on my car with the hatchback up and, like, just tried to, like, just video to catch some, like, content with it. And then, you know, when the one girl was taking her set, someone got like a really good video that she made a real. And you can actually like see how much it's raining. Because I think I think Garrison texted me and was like, oh, I didn't realize it was raining from your video. But her fucking video, it's literally like a monsoon. I was like, yes, it sure was.

All right. Pablo, do you have anything about massonomics you wanted to share with the people? Sure. Do you have a sudden urge to be a silly goose? Do you lift and get strong, stay strong. Use your strength. Do you like to listen to the podcast about nothing and wax, nostalgic about would be used to be a proper freaking country?

Then Massonomics may be for you. For the low price of 10 cents per day, you can also be part of the community. They'll befriend you and support you whether you want them to or not. Ask your nearest crew member of Massaumous crew if it's right for you. Warning. Side effects may include a sudden desire to try cottage cheese,

find a Midwest cities, becoming extremely crazy once a week, join your cult, joining a cult within the previous cult, spending an evening talking about yourself, high Discord usage, extremely high inside joke and meme concentration. That was good. It may cause the sudden urge to go to random small mid-wise towns. Everyone's while, I'm like, I kind of miss Aberdeen. And then it's like, why? I think my favorite part was, I don't know if I've ever thought about it that way. 10 cents a day? It is literally 10 cents. Like, for some reason, like I couldn't do the math in my head off the top. of this. So I had like, so I'm, because I'm not big math and I did math all day at work.

10 times 30. Literally. Yeah. I know. I'm scared. I'm embarrassed to say I did calculate it just to be like, it really is three cents a day if you are 10 cents a day. So that's worth like, if that's not a selling point to join crew, I don't know. It's fucking tens. It's a dime a day. It is literally like, it is most places don't even give you change anymore. It is, it is essentially the change that the store won't give you back because there's a change shortage. That's all it takes to like. add a thousand people to your Rolodex. That's pretty cool. That's really cool. I'm a stranger as they come, but that's a dime to two other dimes. 30 times a month, 30 times a day. Whatever. Yep.

It's 30 dimes. You got what I'm saying. It's going great. I'll see myself out. Okay, love you, dude. Thanks for joining us. We're going to kick Matt off the episode. Get you guys on the point.

Loewing in here. Get all these looky-lose out. Let me see if we can get Pablo on. You want to see if you can make that connection all the way wherever he's from? Yeah, yeah. Big Pablo. Is that you? Hello?

Yeah. This is Pablo. Now I see we are joined by somebody called Narro Pavlo. You want to describe who he is? Well, so narrow Pavlo, I guess, is my now branding for Strongman. There's a, at least there was a wide Pablo. There's a handsome Pablo who got fourth, most strongest man. So now I have to go either ugly or narrow.

And since I've been told my kids look like me, I don't want to insult them. So I just have to be narrow. Good reasoning. Very good reasoning. That's well done. So these are like well-known strongmen from Ukraine? Yeah. Okay, okay.

Yeah. That makes sense. So why Pablo No. Knochnine, so how you say in Ukrainian, he, you know, he was started coming up. Then he had that car accident that took him out for a while. I don't know if he's going to start competing again. But when I thought of the name, he was fairly well-known. That makes a lot more sense because I'm just like, I don't under,

all I can think of is Hank Hill and his narrow Eurethra. And I'm just like, why I'm going to call him Hank or something funny. But yeah, that's good. As long as it wasn't one of those, like, when you join the Discord and we're all like, make sure you can name yourself big, but a lot of the guys are like, I'm not that big, though. I'm going to go narrow. and like, so thank you for giving us some insight into that.

We don't have to tap the sign. Jokes are better when they're explained. And this is case and point. They really are because I would have never known what that meant and always been like, why is he? All right. So go to hit him with, you know, we already know your name's Narro Pablo or whatever. So hit us whatever, you know, birth name you want to share publicly and then where they can

find you on Instagram and Discord. Yeah. just just pavlo um there's not many around so eventually if you really tried you probably could find me but i'm gonna let that be an exercise of the reader yep my instagram and discord are both narrow pablo and my gym radar is the laboratory of strength oh nice do love a good gym radar shout out they uh you know i'm not sure who the guys are where they're running that are but uh they are doing pretty good work, you know. And, you know, anyone doing that back end work, you know, they are doing God's work, if you will. I've heard some good things, madam. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So

Masonomics, your journey, how did you find them? Why you still here? You know, how did you get to the YouTube videos, the podcast, the Instagram? I want to hear all the dirt. So it started actually by listening to the Jug Life podcast. I think that's what was called way back when it's still around. Chad Wellsey-Smith and Max Ada. That's a long time ago. That's like 2015. I saw on Reddit, someone posted a comment like,

hey, if you like Jug Life, you're going to like Massonomics. I'm like, sure, I'll check it out. Nice. And I think that was around 2018 when I started listening to the podcast. And then I just, I don't know,

I enjoyed it. It was just a nice podcast. It was an entertaining listen, but I didn't have to think too hard I can just put it on and go about my day. And plus, I like the clothes that helped. And they fit better than pretty much any other T-shirt I could buy at that point. So I started building up my stable of Mastonomic shirts.

I'm pretty sure during COVID when I was working from home, I only wore Massenomics or previous competition shirts for lifting. So like, nothing. else really was part of my attire at that point. So crew member, if you're listening that made that Reddit comment, make sure you call yourself out there because that would be really neat if we made that connection. Deal. And then over that journey of a clicking those shirts, do you, are you one of the lucky guys

that actually still the same can fit in the same shirt from like day one? Or are you like a lot of us that have like three different, like, you know, we, everyone, a lot of people have their large or Excel and their 2X or some variation of that. And it's like they can't fit in. that 80% of the shirts they've bought? I was pretty much always Excel. I had a year where I decided to get down to a 200-pound weight class for Strongman didn't work well. I didn't buy any shirts during that time, I think.

So just back to Excel right afterwards. Your whole wardrobe is still the same. That's good stuff. I wish I was pretty much. I wish I didn't have to read. I wish I didn't have to spend hundreds of dollars to rebuy the same shirts every now and that. Deal. All right. So, you know, I have to just assume, you know, you don't have an accent or anything.

You got to be from America born and bred, right? Where are you from? Where are you from? Where you live? So I was born in Lviv, Ukraine. My family and I, so at that point, it was my mom, my dad, and I. We came over to the U.S. in 1998 in September. It was kind of an interesting journey. Five. Okay. Yeah. So that's why I don't have an accent. I still have a little bit of a lisp. That was always a thing, but that's not due to different languages. Okay, okay. But we had an interesting journey because we were supposed to fly in,

we flew into New York and were supposed to go to Cleveland to live there, so people are like sponsoring us. And I think a couple days before they called my mom, who were in Ukraine at that point, they're like, hey, actually, you can't live with us anymore. Oh, Jesus. So I'll have to scramble to find someone. It was a Polish couple.

in Frisco, Colorado, so about an hour and a half west of Denver into mountains. And if you know the other thing about Ukraine, the highest mountain there

is like 6,000 feet tall and the elevation of Frisco, Colorado is about 9,000 feet tall surrounded by about 2,000 more feet of mountains, 3,000. And it was a,

yeah, we flew into New York, took a greyhound for three to half days and ended up in Frisco and lived there for about a year moved to Breckinridge just down the road

about 10 miles for two years and then moved to Colorado and eventually I ended up finding a job in Washington stayed after graduating and moved up here. Nice.

I joined up in the Pacific Northwest real. It was a big journey. How much of Ukraine do you remember then? So if you mean at five like you have a decent amount of memories, but like,

you know, how much are memories and how much are the stories people told you that you think are memories? Um, I think I mean, I remember a decent amount.

So you probably, you won't see this anymore often because you get CPS called on you, but a lot of times I was living by myself, like by myself in Ukraine, either I was a daycare or I was, you know, daycare wasn't working or just kind of in the apartment.

My parents were, had different shifts. They were doing their jobs. They just let me alone quite often. So I had some memories from my own time. One memory, I don't think for much anyone's like experience this, well, not often is, well, I told me to get something from the shared cupboard we have because the way we lived, it was more akin to college-style dormitories than there was an actual apartment.

You had your own bedrooms, or just all one room, had a little kitchen in there. bathrooms were shared and a lot of like food storage was shared he's like oh could get something from the food storage he's going to cool I open it up and there's just a giant rat I remember it as big as a cat I mean I was five year old so maybe it wasn't that big but you know every every year it's going bigger and bigger in my memory I'm just like what did be hissed I close a door and go to my mom like nope I can't sorry I won't be doing that again that's that'd be pretty traumatizing for a five-year-old. I mean, I don't think Charlene's gotten over it, and he was a grown. It actually wasn't that bad because there were rats everywhere at that point. So it's more of like,

I don't want to mess with this. This thing look angry. So adults, it's yours. Yeah, respect the rat space at that point. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, it's not worth the argument with a giant cat-sized rat. So you've been around mass with massonomics for a very long time. do you have a piece of merch that you're like yeah i don't need that one and then like later you're like i should have got that one yes you can't say joggers you cannot say joggers yagers

pairs of joggers actually i good i appreciate it um no though i think it was during the time so i actually checked when i bought my orders a long time ago to see if i had it was a 10 for the um crew car And there was a period of about three years where I didn't buy anything. I bought last thought Thanksgiving of 2019 and then bought again in 2022. But during that time, I missed out on the Natty for Life shirt. Yep, I have that one.

I got that. And I'll tell you, just to make this hurt a little more, easily one of the most athletic fits that they've ever released. Yeah, it's been great. I still wear it all the time if I specifically like have a good pump and I want to like be a trophy husband out with the wife. I'll put that one on on purpose. So that's the one that I'm most sad about. I mean, I have the lift.

Several of the beer shirts. So band merchandise is covered. But that one is the one that I do regret not buying. Well, that's two times that you've brought it up. So that then leads to your. Hall of Fame card. How many checks does that give you, including today? Including today, I think I'll be at

six. Nice. So, yeah, it's not too many. I haven't gotten through the back on even though I've listened for a while. I did have my voice on the podcast in one of the call-in episodes. That counts. Yeah. Remember what your question was?

Yeah, I basically ask me, what are they going to do when they want to stop being, when do they want to stop Mexican? Do they just stop it? Or are they to try to give it to someone. And he said, probably, they're like, massonomics isn't without us. I'm like, fair enough.

Good question. But I will get lift, hard, live easy later this summer and at least one year crew member later in the summer. So I've been around mass dynamics for a long time, but I only recently joined crew from peer pressure. Yeah.

In Spokane. Well, that's interesting, too. like, because my back catalog journey ends around episode, I think, what did I say, 250 or something like that. The grant, Grant's first episode, I think is, I started listening like the week after that one. So, like, my journey isn't as long as somebody who's just signing in now. So where do you think yours would start and end?

Obviously, start at the beginning. Where would it end? Like, it can't be that many. No, I mean, I did skip a few in the middle with a lot of the call-in guest, because I'll be honest, that was my least favorite era. At some point, I didn't care for the guests. That's literally this podcast. We just emulated their call-in podcast. But the people here actually care about and know about it.

Ah, okay, okay. Yeah, this is like the one episode of. the guest that you actually liked because it was someone that you were close with. Because that's every week here. That's our goal. Yes. Or like on when they had guests, the ones that got Massonomics and enjoyed it. Like John Hack.

John Hack, proud. I don't think it's the best in other ones, but on the Massonomics ones, he was pretty good. Just because he could talk freely and it wasn't. There's not pressure. So I think I started around maybe there were like two years in, it was somewhere in 100s, low 100s. And I never went back. I'd have to pick one random one.

I picked that one. I think it was a few weeks behind, caught up, and then it was a fairly regular, the scenario. That's awesome. You'll get there. Like I've always said, I say every episode,

more than one, is awesome. My house is exploding as my elephant children stormed through. Well, Pablo, you've got a lot of people know that you used to like mass you know you like massnomics from a young age but you didn't really get into it until recently but uh you know explaining you and you was that a thing you actually did or were you just okay please fill this out for me with like little background how did you go about that so my wife is also a pretty big fan of the massonomics i'll say ecosystem she has this in the podcast but she has several of her own shirts

she has a pair of joggers actually she puts up the stickers she actually told me to get double certified so you just had the Massonomics phone she's like why are you not getting a gym radar one a wife that encouraged you to spend money

is not a bad thing so she was good hobby yeah and my brother he's aware of Massanomics so that wasn't that wasn't hard and unfortunately only other person who I answered a close friend of mine of a little known a long time

he didn't have to I don't have to explain anything Hey fill this out He's got it Love it Yeah I usually I'm pretty good at keeping tabs on who's submitted And this week kind of got away from me And I looked and I was like oh damn Bobbless only got four people

And I'm like me look at him And I'm like okay well him and his wife both submitted like Six paragraphs were good Because a lot of I've definitely had people that did their self submission And it was like one word answer for everything And I'm just like you're fucking killing me small So appreciate you being thorough.

I feel like it took me a few hours to be thorough because I had to think, I'm like, what? What would I know about myself? I appreciate that. That actually, that helps a lot because we can go to someone's Instagram, but like me looking at lifting videos and not finding a Facebook that actually had any post, just some pictures from 15 years ago. Like doesn't help do any research whatsoever. So if you guys don't submit this shit, we can't have a podcast. So I appreciate you. if anyone is in our upcoming list and you submitted poorly, you can always add to it, please.

Good deal. Are you familiar with least fun, most fun? I am familiar. Beautiful. Do you want to explain it to your friends and family that are definitely going to be listening? Sure. Basically, I'm giving a topic and I can explain the least fun and the most fun thing about it. 100%. 100%. So I got a couple options. I'm going to go with one big, big, big, Big Matt submitted this. So, Lease Fun, Most Fun, competing in the rain. All right.

Lease Fun is just being wet the entire time. It's just cold, uncomfortable. And you can't get dry because you can't go inside. Luckily, usually they have tents. But even then, your bags get wet. You can't put anything on the ground. If you have to change equipment, you're kind of just doing this weird dance, like you're changing in an airplane bathroom.

So that's not fun. The most fun is I think the best competitors will shine in the rain and other inclement weather. I'm not saying the strongest people because I've won in the rain, but I think the people who understand how to do events and do get those little strategy tweaks to different conditions will shine through. So that's honestly the most fun because you have to be a little bit more cerebral. you can't just don't say it horse cock it

it there you go good answers I will counter so I'm assuming you do so a lot of your competitions

have been outside and since you are in the Pacific Northwest it's been in the rain is that what he's getting at or it's just like

one specific competition that was in the rain so the first two years that they did that they did the natural

West Coast championship of that you know natural strongman Federation both of them were in a place called Palsmo.

And it's on the west side of that bay, that border of Seattle. So you get a lot of rain there. At both those times, you're just rain on and off all day. The second time was even worse. But I did win the second time. However, in the Pacific Northwest where I am, kind of where Matt is, we're not the rainy people. There's two sides of the Washington State, the evergreen and never green.

And I'm the never green side. So we just get a few inches a per cent a year, 100 plus degree weather in the summer. So it was just the two shows because I was going to give you a hard. I was going to give you a hard time, but I'll restrain, I guess, because like if this fucking guy is competing a couple times a year and it's raining at half of them and he doesn't have his own tent and some kind of like little platform to keep his bag off the fucking wet concrete. Like that's his own fault and I don't feel bad for him. But if it's only been two competitions, I guess you get a pass. I had a few, but no, those two are the worst ones. The second year, I did prepare for it.

But even if you prepare for it, it's still not great. The first year, I didn't have a tent, but what I did was I got all the towels I could from my hotel room and just like placed them all around my area. So they were soaked, but they might have my house. Yeah, yeah. That had to be awkward, like, trying to like sneak them back into the hotel or you just stole them and left them there, I guess. Hopefully you took them back. No, I brought it back in, but they don't care. As long as they're back in the room, in the bathroom on the tile floor,

no one's going to batten night. Good deal. Good, good, good deal. Yeah, I've, uh, I have yet to compete outside and I have like no, uh, desire to, just for like the whole, like, I don't know, give me that like climate control room. It's already bad enough that there's going to be, I don't want to deal with like the sun and being burned and half a, I just don't want to lift with like suntan lotion on and I can't be outside all day without

sun tan lotion on or the bald head. I fucking burn like crazy. So like, so I was strong men have those big bucket hats. Yeah. That's just all sounds unpleasant. I'll stick to our own shows for now. I've been getting a lot outside and I have to do my events besides basically sandbag loads and pressing

has to be all outside. So I am, I'm used to that. I think I'd almost do worse than indoor shows compared to outdoor shows. I think it's more of a coincidence, but it's kind of a little funny one. You got something for him, Joy. Yeah, yeah. If you could train with any person ever that ever existed, whether it's a hypothetical person or a real person, who would you pick to have one training session with?

One training session. That's a good one. I'm actually going to pick Vesn Vierskuk, who is, I'll call him the OG Ukrainian strongman that kicked off the strongman seen Ukraine quite a bit. He'd be, I think he'd be fun to train with.

My wife says that I have very similar leg structure to him, so I take that as a compliment. And we have pretty similar strengths and weaknesses in our training, so it'd be kind of just interesting to see how that goes. but honestly I would love eventually to go back to Ukraine and just try to lift with a few of the strongmen there. I didn't do it the last time I was in Ukraine

because my wife and I were there on our honeymoon in 2017, but it's a little bit difficult now, unfortunately. Yep. But when I get the chance to... With everything going on. Yeah. That's where we'll leave it. My wife will love to go back.

Handsome Pavlo lives in Leviv, where I was born and where my wife really wants to go back to. So it's a very good possibility that can actually happen. Well, keep us abreast because that would be awesome. And don't talk too much about your leg structure.

Keith will get excited. I could tell. Hey, I was just reading. That's all. I wasn't sharing my own thoughts, just others. Oh, no. I was a call back to earlier when you said you had questions

about his. Well, no, because I know I understand that, but like, that was only because I read the notes and there was comments about his in massive legs, essentially. So, and then that just, you guys were mean. All right, Pavlo.

Do you want to talk about your job at all, buddy? You don't have to if you don't want to. You know, if we want to spend the next four hours, I can talk about my job, but I'm going to try to cut it down a bit. You got two minutes. I am two minutes. I'm a nuclear engineer. Most of my work, I just sit behind a computer, but I really, really enjoy it. It's a, in my opinion, it's kind of a cross, halfway, halfway point between engineering and physics.

I got my bachelor's of physics, got my master's nuclear engineering, because I realized I'm not a physicist, 100%. But I like math a little bit more than most engineers. So is it like a lot of troubleshooting to like keep the plant operating pristine or like a, I guess, walk me through, like, an average day? So where my job is, I don't actually work with plants. Okay. For most of my work. Not a botanist.

Correct. One of my projects I do a bunch of work on, we actually do work with some analysis, a lot of analysis work for stuff in Wattsbar, Nuclear Plant. It's in Tennessee. Okay. And that was more of supporting some unique characteristics about that reactor. And a lot of my other work is more kind of, I'll call it, scoping, research a bit, where people have questions about what could happen if.

And my job is to answer them. Gotcha. So you can't just, you can't pull the Simpsons episode and just set up the bird that goes, yes, yes, yes. No, that's not. me. Although, to be fair, I don't live that far from a plant, so they can talk to someone. All right, yeah, deep cut Simpsons references. That's what the crew is slowly turning into. All right. So you've obviously been lifting a long time. Let's talk about your lifting journey, because it sounds like you've been doing some great stuff, and I want to hear where it started and

how it caught here. Sure. basically probably it all started because of my dad he loved lifting back in Ukraine and then when we moved to the U.S., he didn't really have much time because he was working a bunch. Eventually we got her own house at the basement and home gym stuff just ended up there.

So I would like to say, I actually pretty much grew up the home gym. I know think about it that way, but I did grow up with at least some access to the home gym. probably starting in 2006. My first lifting experience was me deadlifting my bed as like a sixth grader or something, maybe fifth grader. I was like, I want to get stronger. I'm going to delift my bed because there was a metal frame.

And then later on, middle school, you get awkward looking. You don't like being awkward looking. I'm like, man, I want to lift some weights because my dad did that. And, you know, he didn't look awkward. So that's why that helped me lift. And then from there, I just really liked it.

We used to watch Strongman and the ESPN when it came on. No idea what year the competition was from or what's going on. Basically, what continuity is going on. But that helped build my love for Strongman. Get sports in high school and in college. And every time I got injured, my first thought was not, oh man, I can't wait to get back playing the sports. I'm like, ah, can't be lifting right now.

That sucks. I guess probably wrestling and rugby were my closest loves, but even then, I had a lot of injuries in rugby, several shoulder separations, sprained MCL. So, but even then,

I was like, I just want to lift again. Eventually, you graduate, you can't have access to these intramural and club sports, So you start, you started lifting and really focusing on Strongman for quite a while. I've been competing, I think, almost 13 years at this point. Wow.

And I like to point out that when I moved up here, I started building a home gym in December of 2019. So technically not a COVID-era gym. Yep. Although it is COVID-adjacent because that's when it did kind of start kicking off. But that's not why I started a home gym. Someone had some weights at bottom. My dad asked me one time, like, hey, what do you want for a Christmas present? What I want for Christmas is really expensive.

It's farmers and a yolk. He's like, oh, sure, here you go. Cool. Nice. And that yolk became my rack for about two years. Very cool, very cool. And my wife also loved it too. So that helps quite a bit in maintaining a home gym.

and she does not mind when I spend money on it. She takes advantage of the gym then? Yeah. With her own lifting? She's, she's competed. It's a little harder for right now because she's still recovering from the giant monster baby we had recently. But that's a big baby.

Yeah. So I am very amazed that she could make it through through that. because my daughter wasn't much smaller. She was nine and a half, or nine pounds, 14 ounces, almost 10. My wife really likes lifting and she wants to compete again. She's competing for biggest baby, apparently. Yep.

Almost 20 and a half pounds with two kids. I'm like, we're done. We definitely cannot have any more. Yeah. There's one thing I wanted to call out. It was very early, but I really didn't want to interrupt because it was a good story, that even sixth grade, Pablo knew that deadlifts are how you get strong.

Yeah. He wasn't out here doing ab crunches or burpees. Deadlifts are how you get strong. I love that. Because when you want to show up a strength, you don't be like, hey, guys, look how much I can curl. You're like, I'm going to pick up this. I want to pick up this object.

Yeah. Yeah, love that. Matt asked if it was a race car bed. It was not a race car bed, but it was multi-color. and it did create little divvits in the wall because of where it was rubbing against when that was deadlifting out on the leathery. I mean, I don't think about that at that point. Nope.

All right. Keith, what do you got here? Oh, wait, actually. So, I know,

I didn't even cut you off. I asked you and then stopped you because. That's like worse. Finish your thought. Finish, finish. Yeah. So you blew out both triceps at the same time. Yep.

And that put a stall in your training. Tell us about how that happened and how you're going to make sure it never happens again. Because I know I wouldn't want it to happen twice. The Rainier Classic of 2025. So the Rainier Classic is a pretty big show that happens up here. It's probably you can say the heaviest show, especially amateur show and they have a program. But they have a Viking press last year.

and I mean, I don't have an access to the Viking press. So like, ah, be fine. The caveat was they allowed jerks, split jerks, whatever. They just like get it overhead. Usually you don't see that. Yeah.

Yeah, ew. You don't. And if I wasn't allowed a flickerch, just as, you know, push press, I think it would be fine. But I didn't train split jerks on a Viking press until like, literally warming up.

and I was like, okay, let's do this. I was going up. I think I just mistimed it. Didn't have the best rack position because the Viking press mis timed it. And it had just a split second when the weight's coming back down,

you try to lock your elbows. Oh, fuck, dude. I just felt something. I was like, oh shit. I couldn't envision that. In my head, I was thinking like, oh, should I try one more wrap? I'm like, no, no, I can't.

Something's wrong. I got really lucky though A couple of ways One I knew a PT place around here Like a physical therapy place And they have a lot of A lot of good doctors there I called them up on Monday

Because I got injured Sunday Father's Day Drove back three hours from Seattle Two and half hours Like by yourself Well I had my brother there actually with me So it wasn't depressive You're fucking driving bud

I wouldn't be driving I actually still did drive. So. Did you know? The pain didn't quite clear. I didn't know. I didn't know if it was fully porn. I thought maybe partially corn or whatever.

What event? What event was? I want to see how like the rest of the show. Was it so bad it knocked you out of the show or was it the first event? No, so it was the first event in the second day, the fourth event of the show. Now it was in a pretty good position. Yeah.

Well, my brother was competing. And the stay in the end, but not with your push. Not not not with your, Not with your split jerk, though. Yeah. I actually probably should have done the next event with his yoke. I'm like, I should have just done yoke, but at that point, I'm like, ah, the arms hurt. I don't want to get more hurt.

Yeah. No, I agree that you should not have done anything after that. Yeah. You are the reason they don't let people to split jerk on. Yeah, apparently. I'm never doing that again. Never again. That's how I'm going to avoid it.

It's never again. I think I've done it once or twice in competition, and I'm just like, yeah, no, that would, that just. For me, split jerking a bike. price just seems so needlessly difficult? There was a, in the program, there was a former Olympic lifter, and he, he was a split trippy, he was squad tricking, but man, he, I think he won that event. And it's, I think if you train it, you can do it, but if you literally don't touch a Viking

press the entire time. Yeah. Well, what's tricky, too, is so many Viking press, like, depending on what they're using for apparatus, it could be a one million percent feel different. and your Viking press isn't the same as their Viking press, etc. So like, oh, that's just, that's horrible. I actually see the video. You go on YouTube, Rainier Classic 20205s, the second day.

Yeah, I'll be there. So you get back Sunday night, you go to the doctor Monday, where are we at? Yeah, I called the doctor. They're like, oh, actually, we don't do anything below the shoulder. So you have to call this person, the hand clinic. So I called, call the people. They're like, well, we can get you. win like a couple of weeks. I think I toured

both trice and tendons. I'm like, oh, come in on Wednesday. Come in on Wednesday. Person looks at it. She's like, all right, you have an emergency MRI. So I took, I had an MRI at like 6.30 in the morning on Thursday. Friday had another appointment.

She's like, yeah, both are completely torn. Following Wednesday, I had surgery on my right arm. Yeah, because don't the tendons start to die? Like you shouldn't, if you go more than a couple weeks, aren't you fucked? Like, or how does that work? I did ask, yeah, basically what happened was they're like, she's like, we're going to have to do surgery.

So this following Wednesday, you're going to do your right arm. You need a brace for six weeks. Four weeks after your right arm, we're going to do your left arm. I was like, is that going to be some kind of atrophy issue? She's like, you'll be fine, it'll be a little bit tighter, and this one is, my left arm is still a little bit. It takes a little bit more to get warmed up, but it's getting a lot better every day.

Four weeks later, had surgery on my left arm. I was in an arm brace on both arms for two weeks. Luckily, I had most of the motion in this, like 120 degrees. This one was locked into place like 45 for about five days. And then the day my son was born, I was also out of my left arm's brace. So basically, my son's life is how much my left arm has been out of her brace. Very cool. And I got super lucky.

She was a great doctor. It's like, well, your tendons are stronger now than they were before. Did they replace them with something else or just repair them? Just sewed him up. Yeah. It was the right arm was kind of interesting because she told my wife who told me that not only to split like transversely, it also kind of split axially. Ew. Yeah, so it was extra extra work.

So this scar is longer because they have to cut the skin up farther to sew more in my tendon. well, I'd want to say thank you for sharing, but that kind of sucked. Which for you, at least. Yeah. It was a very surreal experience, honestly. That was 10 months ago, and you just competed with Matt, like, a month ago or two weeks ago. Yeah. Two weeks ago, and then two weeks prior to that, I also competed.

Okay. So, Mike, my got to follow up, essentially. I was like, so I love competing, you know, a decade between Powerliving Strong Man. Like, what has, what's that bug like for you? you sounds like you've been doing it for more than not like well over a decade of competing in strong man multiple shows a year like why do you compete and not just hang out and lift in the garage like what is it that keeps you motivated and you know drives you for that honestly i can't give you a good answer in terms of why i do it just besides there's an intrinsic need for me to do competitions

i guess i've always i mean i've always been competitive i've done sports i didn't think i was this competitive when i was a kid but apparently i am and strongman is just strong is just fun because you can train and just test your strength. And the community is pretty good about it too. I mean, I've only had really one negative experience with people being dicks and Strongman and that was USS Nationals in 2018. And it wasn't most of them. It was just a few people.

But I just love competing. And I also have this like issue with that if there's local shows, I feel bad about not attending them. because I want Strongman shows to continue. So now I'm in a position where I have to be selective about which ones I do compete in or which ones I don't because there's so many around here recently, which is great. 20 times a year. But I have that same feeling. Like I did Dan's show in Syracuse, but then my local gym has one like three weeks later.

And I'm like, I've already done two shows there this year. Like I almost feel guilty that I'm not doing the third Strongman show. but like dude I already did too like I God forbid I don't do one. You've done your part. You've definitely done your part. But you know, that's awesome man. I love one, you know.

You know, I've just watched. I saw a lot of your Instagram and your Facebook and you I saw like competition videos from like back in like 2013 and stuff. I was like, that's pretty dope. I enjoy that. And you are signed up for Liftard-Live easy then? Am I have to have that right? Yeah, I was one of the last spots

because I, I wanted to sign up, but I did it right away because I would feel bad about leave my wife with two kids alone for a few days. But she's like, no, you just go do it. Just go do it. I'm like, okay. I'll sign up. If I have to cancel, I cancel. At this point, I'm committed and she's completely, completely fond of that.

She's a very big order of me. So is Matt close to you then? Or are you guys not close? I missed. I know you would, you don't even the same side of the state, but like, yeah. What's that? Sorry. about two hours away.

Okay. Are you going to travel? Are you planning on traveling in with him? So you have like a travel buddy then? Because he's coming right? We'll meet at the Minneapolis airport. But I'm flying out of my regional airport here because it's actually less expensive. Gotcha.

Either way, at least you'll have a travel buddy for half the trip. Yeah. And you at least a couple, at least one guy there that you know in person. That that helps. You know, the first year you come and you don't know anybody, it's like, oh, this is intimidating. I think I guess technically at that point of what I already met a ton of people at the Arnold. But there are definitely people that travel in for the first time. And like they haven't met a single person at all.

And it's just, that's still kind of mind boggling to me that people do that. So that's really cool. Yes. And big, big, big Joe's out there with you too. He's a good guy. Yeah,

because you guys, you guys did all, you all did the show together like a month. Yeah, I forgot Joe was at that show as well. Correct. I didn't do that one that they did because it was a novice only. That's right.

But we're going to have a crew meet up. I mean, your triceps were not. was at that point. You're neutral. I mean, they were, actually,

they were pretty decent at that point. I think I, it was, it was still wouldn't be fair. Everything else. They haven't been broken in. Yeah, they have broken.

Yes, they were broken, not broken in. Good stuff. All right. Oh, I keep highlight. Well,

what class you're doing? Are you the 220 then? I think you said earlier, like 220, so you got a little weight or you get to cut a little weight? Yeah. Right where you need to be?

Oh, 235s. So I'm trying to be between like around 225 just in case everyone to do USS shows, but I mostly do Strongman Corp or a natural show. It's a different freaking strongman, just like powerlifting. The only needs is another federation, right? But this one's for the lifters.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they all. Sorry, I'm just making some changes to. No, I can, I can talk underrated. Yeah, yeah. So with your triceps Anything you worried about? Is the circus

going to be a little hard? I don't know what your weight is, but I'd be kind of nervous about circus, I guess. That's honestly the biggest one. I did log in my first contest in April, 240 for three reps. And I was super surprised by that.

I was like, I just don't zero the log and I'll be happy. I got three reps. The split jerk, but it still went up. And then in the show that Matt and I did, it was kind of like a one-armed Viking press.

I did not do great at that one. I got two wraps, I called it. It wasn't going to push it too hard. So the circus is my biggest. Oh, yeah, I did remember seeing that. It was that big pendulum thing, whatever, not pendulum. Yeah, yeah, that was an resting show

to be built all around that apparatus. I didn't really understand that. But I think I'll see, should get 140 by the time we get to the contest. We got 11 weeks to figure it out. pretty much. Yeah, at that point, I should be okay. It's, it's more of a mental at this point than there is just strength. I think, I think circus across the board is, like, going to be the hardest thing for a lot of people.

I don't know why, like, Jake was pretty aggressive, I think, like, like, more aggressive on circus than anything else. And it's kind of, it's funny, too, because, like, the novice is just only, like, they're, like, only, like, 10 pounds behind the masters. And then you, but I thought, so yours is one. 40 yards is 120. I think novice is 1.10. I just, I feel it's going to stink to see a lot of, maybe a lot a lot, but like, there's going to be some people that just don't get to do the, the medley because they can't get the circus and that just sucks. But I'm not saying it's got to be dramatically less, but, you know, obviously people have another, you know, three months to get better at it. But I don't know, I'm like just under where I need to be on it. But I think in

the next 12 weeks, I'll, you know, I'll be right there because it's like, it's my old PR, but I haven't hit it in like a year or so. We'll see. they should do like 105 110 recently uh they did 115 so I should it should be fine you're there also also like my coach had me go down to like 90s like like basically my empty bell because it sucks my my my my my my bell empty is like 80% of my max so like doing rep work is like aggressively high percentage rep work yeah so I kind of had to like because it was like week one and I don't I was like yeah dude like I'm not going to do like three sets of six I'm going to give you like two sets of six and that's it because like my.

my shoulder and my fucking my elbow and everything. Like it was on fire. I'm good with doing half that. But yeah, it'll be fun. Liftard Levisi. You're going to have a blast.

You excited, I hope. So it'll be good stuff. I have a strong man question. Do it? Okay. As somebody who's never competed, there are obviously things I would like to try.

So I'm wondering as somebody who has competed as much as you, what is an event that you like have seen in the wild? and wish you could do. For me, it's the Conan's wheel. I really want to do a Conan's wheel. But that, like, what's yours? Honestly, I have not done a natural stone medley. Or like anything really with natural stones,

and I think it'd be fun to do that. I can confirm those are very fun. There are a few other ones. I pretty much, I mean, I haven't done Conan's, but I have done Zurchers, and it's not that much different. It's not very much. fun. It's difficult

to do a search for one, but natural stones, I think I'd be a little better at the natural stones, sorry, than Atlas stones. For some reason, Atlas stones just, they feel weird. Not very good at them, but I can pick up sandbags. So,

that's the one I have missed out on. Okay. Thank you. What do you think? Do you have one? What do you think rocks? Oh, answering your question? Sure. I'll circle back. I got a,

I don't know to top my head. What have I seen? Because I've, I'm lucky that I have access to do so much random shit at East Ave gym. So there's like, there's like 20 lifts that I've done like on training days with the boys

that I haven't done on competition. So I'd have to really, Conan's well would be fun. But I've also seen people like when they drop it and their body's still going forward and they just eat shit hard. Yes. Yep. So like I don't have desire for that at the moment.

I don't know. I, if I don't answer at the end of the episode, I'll circle back to that, maybe on Instagram, because that is a good question. I really want to answer. I'm too anxious to think about one because I didn't need to, like, go through a million events in my head. But my follow-up with Pablo had, I don't remember what it is at the moment. What do you think rocks is?

Yes. Well, yes, there you go. I actually, I do think it might be something along the lines of natural stones, because we're not allowed tacky. Yeah, Natty Stone's shoulder, I think, or Natty Stone Press. But I just hope it's a reasonable weight that I don't use. zero. I don't care if I come in last. I don't want to zero it like, because it's going to be something

I've never touched potentially, and it's just like, is that what it is? But yeah, it's for sure got to be a natural stone, but what are we doing with? But Keith, I got two 45 to my chest. So like, you could easily, you're stronger than I am, so I can see you doing fantastic with that.

Maybe it's a medley, like the world's last event of the heat, where it's just different types of stone events that you have to get done in the medley. which would be cool. Yeah, do a dinn walk. Do a dyni walk. I need a static.

Who is shaking your head? I want something. I don't want to move. I lose points on medleys and moving events. I don't like dyn walks. I've done a few. I've done exactly two. Yeah, they suck.

They are the worst. They hurt my hands and my grip on that sucks. I had a dinnie hold on a competition last year. That was interesting. I was doing diny's. It was the day I put in the Discord and I'm like, if this comment gets zero or one light or reaction, I'm going to add dinies to training today because it was event day and I can do what I want.

And with the pain in my arms, right? So like right now it's my right elbow tendon. So I'm rehabbing that as much as I can, but I still, I'm not going to stop training. So I had you wear an elbow sleeve? And we talked about that? Because like,

yes. I've, like a tight big like SB. D winners like something with like a decent amount of compression. Yes. And then I have one at work. That's one of the little circle ones that goes right around and then applies pressure to the tendon. So I was doing the band-aids on at least.

Yeah, I was doing the dinnies. And normally when I do dinnies, I actually hold here, which you shouldn't, but I do. The palm of his hand. He doesn't hook grip of them. And then it slid down into my fingers and took all my palm fat with it. so I remember because then like 10 minutes later I was like I did dinnies and it did not go well that's what happened that hurts so bad like you just like scrape your hand with like hundreds of yeah it was stupid but it's not gonna not do it I'm gonna point out I instantly gave your comment two reactions so you didn't do dinnies but you did not follow the rules

I didn't even look at discord after putting that in I was already getting them ready Um, there was one story in there that I kind of want to hear about. Uh, and I've been, uh, I've been, um, told that it's not political. Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Uh, something about crossing the border. Yeah, there it is. Um, crossing the border between Poland and Ukraine in the slowest car. Yeah. Yeah. So my wife and I went on a honeymoon to Levy because she wanted to one, see, yeah, where I was born. And then meet some of my friends. family that was still around there.

And we flew into Warsaw because it was much cheaper and much better timing. And we thought, you know, just get a rental car and drive over there. So that was the first mistake. We should just got on a train. But there was like a two hour, it was about five hour drive from Warsaw to the border. We get there, pulling lets us through, no problem. and this is I don't say

midnight and it's around midnight and it took an hour about an hour to get past the people in Ukraine because for some reason they wouldn't list through

I'm like this is a rental car I didn't steal it here's documentation they just kept arguing like what if you steal it and sold it

I'm like I have like full offense I have an American passport I am not risking anything sell a car in Ukraine. Like, I am not going to make any money at all.

Eventually, we got through two more hours to drive to my uncle's house. And when we got there, we had some fresh borsh, and then went to bed. It was great afterwards. On the way back, we had to drive back to Warsaw. We left pretty early, like, I will say 12, no, we'll say 8. 18 hours before a flight out of Warsaw. And it's about six, seven hours of driving to do it. My wife was on the very end of food poisoning, so that wasn't great for her.

She had to stop a few times for her and deal with that. But we get to the border, and it took us eight hours to basically go like a mile and a half, two miles. To get through the border from Ukraine into Poland, even. took about seven hours. And it was rough. What really scared my wife was they took how much everyone's passport in this group of cars. And as is everyone was driving away in two lines,

the person was standing there just handing out passports to each car driving by like this. It was like, okay, to check, to check we make sure we get our passports back. We did. Yeah. Then when we got the Polish side, it was fine. And because Polish and

are actually pretty similar. It's fairly similar. I can understand some of it without actually speaking it. The first time to get out of the car eventually, checking the car, about 75% of the check was done in Polish. Eventually, he said something like, oh, I'm sorry, I don't understand.

He's speaking English. He's like, oh, yeah, he did it. Took our passports back to his booth. Called us up. Called me up, like, 10 minutes later, and just lectured me not knowing Polish. He's like, you were born. in here in Ukraine, you shouldn't know Polish,

blah, blah, blah. I'm just like, yep, sorry, yep. Yep. Lock the passports, leaving. Person next to us, another boot was like, why can you yell that? And then, so this, you know,

it's been, what, basically 10 hours since we left my uncle's house to have drive five more hours to get to the airport. We were planning to get to the airport with enough time to, like, have eight hours to sleep in a hotel. I'm just going to show up a flight, sleep in there for a bit. We get there

about three, two hours before, three hours before the flight. Fortunately, my father-in-law, for his wedding present, bought us tickets there and back. And all the way back, he said, because of how he had points set up, it was cheaper

to get us first class than it was to get us economy. So we flew from Warsaw to Amsterdam first class, which was great, because I apparently just fell asleep instantly on that flight. Of course. Not wakeable for the breakfast they were serving.

And then on the flight from Amsterdam to Seattle, first class, they had seats that reclined. They were like flat beds. That was amazing. They were serving full meals there. Why does that to me, hey,

wake me up and they're serving the meal. So they start serving, I'm just shaking me. I'm like, hey, pick up. Not staring. So the person comes by, I said, should I wake her? I'm like, she's out.

Just save a meal for her, please. But that was our journey across the border. It was different, interesting each way, but in different ways. I do like the idea of lecturing an American who was born in the Ukraine for not speaking Polish. I think that that's a long journey. I hope you stretch before that jump next time. Yeah. I didn't get it, but I wasn't going to argue because I still had five hours, six hour to drive.

I'm like, just get me my passport, let me go. And the car, and it's true, the world's slowest car, it was a old Toyota Yaris. If it had 90 horsepower, I'd be surprised. That's my daily. It's like the European spec, though. To pass cars, because, you know, they had just like one lane each way and you have to get over into the opposite side. I had to let the person go. I had to floor it in third gear,

just get a head start to make it. It was the worst car I've ever driven. That's hilarious. Do you know then what my last name means? No, I can't. I'm not going to guess on that one. There's enough differences that I wouldn't try to guess. That's fair.

what the shit is grilled watermelon. Exactly how it sounds. No, but like, is that a thing? It's fucking delicious. So I'm going to disagree with it being delicious. Wow. Okay.

I love watermelon, but the hot watermelon sounds horrible. So what I heard always was that if you grill watermelon, it's like kind of like a meaty, savory texture. So we tried to do that. It was me and my wife and my brother.

it did not turn out well. We all hated it. We took some bites. We're like, yeah, okay, so this is interesting. Oh, okay. Did you try and do the thing where they like spice it to taste like meat? Not even just, we didn't try to spice it. It tastes like meat, but we did put some spices on it.

Of course. Because when I've done it, the same with pineapple. All you do is you really just, you sear the edges so that all the juice gets locked in and the skin stays kind of intact. So maybe you and I tried different things when we did it. I think that, yeah, I think the problem is that we did try to do the... Make it a burger. Yeah, so we're not. Do you not eat meat?

No, I do. We just were like, oh, we're not try it. No, that makes it. Next time, just eat meat. Speaking of that, why not try it mindset, is that what you had in mind when you streaked in college? Well, that was peer pressure again. My dangling. That was peer pressure.

So what happened was this was my first year playing rugby. I got recruited, again, peer pressure to playing rugby because I was lifting to a gym over the summer by college. And they're like, hey, you're pretty big. You want to try it? I'm like, oh, sure. And what I didn't know was that

when you score your first try, there's a tradition called Zulu. That's what they call it. I mentioned they canceled it for obvious reasons, but you have to stand at one goalpost, essentially, or near one goalpost, strip naked, run to the other one and run back. Well, I had the fortune of doing this at a tournament.

So we were at the University of Wyoming. There was a bunch of people there, and I did that. It was kind of funny because people were like, wait, is he naked? And on the way back, though, because he made me do this, I was like, all right, you guys are going to suffer like I am. So I just put my hands up as I was running towards my team. Yes.

Because I was like, in my mind, I was like, is he just like holding it? No. Helicopter. I was a lot of it. Yeah. That's super illegal. And I get this wasn't, I mean, you're not that. What year was this, give or take?

2000. Yeah. It's not like it was in like the 90s or even like the 2000. Yeah. Like, where it would still be illegal as fuck. But. like maybe not go to jail. That was ballsy of you to say the least.

Literally. In high sight, it was not the best decision. No. Well, that's good that it didn't come to bite you, come back to bite you in the ass. Hopefully no one had a video of that.

Oh, man, that's wow. People didn't get pictures, but they only got pictures. They thought I wasn't going to raise my hands up. That is pretty funny. You made your buddies look at it at least because I was just,

of course. Of course. guys. That's good stuff. Any of someone, I'm assuming your wife, or maybe it was you, but you have multiple scars on the head. If any of them come with a funny story?

One of them does their funny story. One of them was, I was at elementary school at some point. And I kind of just like jammed my head up into a door hinge. It was enough to break the skin, but apparently I didn't need stitches. Three of them are due to rugby all in one season.

So I got a scar here from a head-to-head collision with my teammate. We're at the Air Force Academy, and because it's the Air Force Academy, they had an actual doctor on the sideline. It's like, you need stitches. You can go to the ER. Or I can do it here. I'm like, do I have to pay you if you do it on the sideline? He's like, no.

Like, all right, let's do it. So he got out, you know, numbed, not froze. my and he's like we can do staples or stictions I'm like uh staples

I don't know oh no you're I found so much more on the face like staples like in the hand like yeah okay I'll take those

but like staples to the face oh yeah and then a month and a half later these were fine and it was all good um I had a not a teammate this time

but an opponent hit me here and I had to get a few staples here. I go, they said, oh yeah, you should be able to get him out in like five to seven days. I'm like, okay, well, I'm playing a rugby game in seven days. So I'm going to try five. I go to my college's nurse and she takes the staples out and she's like, all right. But don't play rugby this weekend. I'm like, yep, definitely won't.

Oh, yeah, for sure. Then we traveled down to Mexico and I got this scarf from another teammate collision. Um, this one was pretty bad because down here, you could actually see the skull a little bit. So they had to do two layer the stitches. This was in New Mexico and one of my teammates stuck around with me. And then, um, someone's mom was there and she stuck around so I could get a ride back because the rest of the team headed back that, that evening. So they do two layers stitches here and a final layer from that basically cosmetic stuff. Um, so yeah, I was like coming in regularly to my class.

just with fresh stitches in my face essentially. Yeah, this episode's taking a very specific direction. Do you do anything that's not dangerous for your physical health? Apparently I don't. I'm a home body. I really am a home body. Yeah, because you're always injured and you're laid up at home. But yeah, somehow there's some crazy, crazy injuries that happened.

Because I just, I played contact sports. Yep. That's where it all, that's all came from. And then Strongman and then trying to cross the Poland-Ukrainian border and like, I only had one bad injury for Strongman. That was my price. Everything else is kind of just like some tweaks. Yeah, yeah. That's lucky.

I mean, and also the, I mean, and don't, don't, don't let anyone listening that wants to do Strongman, don't let his injury deter you. It was a very specific thing that maybe shouldn't have been doing or should have trained before doing. It's not like he just picked up a sandbag and tweaked his back. Like it was a very specific injury that you probably won't ever encounter yourself because you likely not see Viking press that allows split jerk ever at a local show. It's a rare injury even for people who don't do strong men. So it's not one that you'll see at all. And the surgeon was like, I've never seen both at the same time.

Well, there were a ton of things submitted, but I don't. Looks like we're 90 minutes in. I think we're going to jump into a game. Are you familiar with Fuck Mary Kill? I am. All right. I'm going to go Ukrainian strongmen, because half of this battle will be me butchering the names.

Well, one of them I know pretty well, and the other one will be easy to say. So I got really, I'm just going to go, you know, FMK, Alexei Novakov, wide Pavlo, and then VATO, Vyra Stukuk, Stuk, Stuk, say that last one?

Okay. Vasil. Yeah, FN.K, those guys. Yes. All right. So. I was doing research on him. I was like, how do I not know of this guy?

It's kind of. I'm going to kill why Pablo. Sorry, buddy, but you're no longer a strong man, really. So not your fault, but that's what happened. Also, he was. Is there another one that would be more relevant to, like, like, elite Ukrainian strongman? because I'd rather have that person

out there if it makes it harder. Okay. All right, let's say Pavlo Cordyaka. Okay. That makes it much harder. Hmm. All right.

I will... Fakti Silvarsuke. Even though he was world's strongest man? Yes. Well, because it was 04, but that might have been when the IFSA thing was, because maybe that's that why he had a...

He did win Ipsa also, actually against Big Z and Mikhail Kuklyev. So he's a very good strong man, but he's retired. I guess. I mean,

I guess, you know, it's, is it either way FMK and over the body of the work or current? That's your game. So you do you and just tell me your druthers. Um,

I guess maybe, ironically, as I said, he just, he's retired. I am going to say, Mary Novikov. Um,

who hasn't like had a high level show in three years. Yeah, but he had, he's, some weird injuries as well. Like his most recent issue is he has like internal hemorrhaging that that's what killed his comeback. And the only reason I would say kill Kordiaka is because he has not won a world's

strongest man yet, but he was Europe's strongest man at some point. So he's, he's quite up there. It's very difficult. I figure that was a good one. My turn? Yeah. All right. Are you familiar with Mount Rushmore?

What, no, go ahead. I am familiar. I'm going to cut you off real quick because though I think I meant to put this in general topics, but world strongest man, we don't need to go over who won or anything like that or even the competitors, but just like Hogan being in the crowd and like being in so many different posts and videos and videos and that made me, it was, it was a very enjoyable weekend. We can be like, oh, that's Hogan and that Mastanomic shirt. Oh, that's Hogan and that Mastonomic shirt. It was just like it was fun to see. So I hope he had a blast because it looked like he did. And he didn't even get out angled by the strong man of my opinion.

Like, he held his own for his size, for sure. Fucking jacked little dude. He is. Okay. So Mount Rushmore. We haven't had enough music talk. Top four electronic musicians. Oh, okay.

Well. It's like EDM stuff. Yeah. I'm going to put daft talk up there for sure. I know what that means. Daph bunk works. Yep. Canadian.

Yep. So, I mean, they have to be up there because, everyone, everyone knows them and everyone references to them. Well, this isn't unpaid underrated. This is your Mount Rushmore. I know. That's why it is my Mount Rushmore,

which is why I have to put it up there. They're basically, I want to say to the George Washington of electronic music, but they're probably the Abraham Lincoln. Okay. Let's see. I want to go with Dead Mouse.

Yep. I mean, he's had, he's also had a lot of wide appeal for that. Um, let's see, above and beyond. That's interesting that I actually know of them and I've heard their music. I'm not a big EDM guy, but interesting. Yeah, they've done a lot. They also done a lot because they had multiple, like, labels where they've showcased a lot of people.

Hmm. And this might be controversial, because I'm not going to put Tieso up there. I'm going to put, um, Armand Van Buren up there. because he's had a podcast for 1,275 episodes that's weekly Wow

Yeah and he's He's been around for a long long time And he's They don't span a decent range of like electronic music that most people have known about When you start getting into like genres

Specific genres might get different But I feel like for electronic music That's the That's who I would pick For sure. So no Darud. No, yeah. No, I can't put him above any of those.

If we talk about trance, he might be up there. It was very funny because I was at a friend's house, and it was the weekend of Coachella. And Coachella was interesting. A lot of stuff came out of that. And she says, yeah, did you hear they're getting hit by like some big sandstorm or something? And I was like, oh, Darud's playing? And the look she gave me was pure like, I hate that you made that joke. And you know what?

No, that was a funny joke. That one belongs there. I'm into- A lot of all-time. Yeah. I'm into Umed Ascan. Do you know him? That sounds familiar, but I'm not quite...

He does a lot of... He does a lot of Mongolian throat singing over EDM. And my kids... That's why I heard his name. Yeah, my kids love it. Like, every time it comes on, they're like, add this to our playlist, please, like every song that comes on by him. Like, I have an entire Umeidauskin playlist.

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I'll just take that back. That says all crew. All crew businesses, obviously. That's why they're here. And over, nope, there is no overrated or underrated. That doesn't exist,

but we have a game. It's because you guys got in my fucking head. I don't know. Somebody did. Unpaid or underrated. Pablo, the game you are familiar with. I am familiar with unpaid underrated.

Good, good, good. So we are going to give him, you know, six to nine handpicked topics, and he has to use his druthers and try to explain to them, to explain to us if it's underrated, you know, good or unpaid, bad, because nobody wants to be unpaid paid.

Are you ready? Yep. Right. Unpaid or underrated. F1, the TV show. What? Not. There's a TV show or even the movie. Isn't there, what are they,

oh, well, what is the show on Netflix? Isn't that a thing? Oh, yeah, yeah. I was trying to do more of a curveball because I already know I know from, I know you love F1 the sport. F1, the movie sucks. So what about F1,

the show that Tommy always talks about, whatever the hell that's called? Yeah, that one, I'm going to say it's underrated. The reason is because it has brought in a lot of fans into F1, and I think that's helped fuel the availability of it. Um, the actual content of it, yeah, it's traumatized.

It can be interesting. There's definitely some pieces where even if you watch the whole season, when you watch it, the show, you're like, oh, I didn't know that. That's pretty interesting. But the way they cut and edited it and all that, they take very, kind of like hard knocks. Like it's just like behind the scene stuff or they try to like, I, I've never seen it.

I don't really get what it is. It's kind of like that. it's just it's more dramatized they build their narratives for sure and sometimes you have to do that I haven't watched it recently because I don't have time

but it's I will say it's under that reason even though I don't watch it good deal maybe a nice little curveball rather than just F1 unpaid or underrated oh cottage cheese

I'm sorry for everyone but it's it's unpaid I've tried I've tried cottage cheese and I do not like it. There's just something weird about it that does not sit well with me which is kind of ironic because there's

a thing called farmer's cheese that we use in Ukrainian cuisine. You can actually get it places around here. It looks like cottage cheese but it's not and that one I'm fine with. The cottage cheese itself just does not work. The whole talk, the whole the whole arc of cottage cheese.

It's one where I'm looking at, people would be like, I'm with you on that one. I haven't touched it, won't touch it. I've tried it once and was like, nope, that's not for me.

It's okay, but it's, I don't, it's not, I don't know. It's, I think if I had to pick, though,

like, if I, I think I would take cottage cheese over chicken bake, though, because chicken bakes are not good. Like, I don't like chicken.

Like, they're, oh, they're okay. Like, in the grand, team of things like as Tanner says is it better than is it macro friendly and it's cheap

and it's easy and it's better than a cheeseburger sure but like except for the million grams of sodium yeah I'm getting the fucking cheese pizza over the chicken back all day yeah I will say cottage cheese is good if you want to have a low calorie sauce and you put a bunch of like spices into it

I've done that before and it's it's turned out decent but I'm not going to eat a straight better than your watermelon yeah better than the watermelon yeah better than the watermelon Good answer. Okay, let's see. Unpaid or underrated

Ukrainian cuisine. I'm going to, I have to go with underrated. Have you ever had a pierogi? Exactly. I mean, in Ukraine, we call it Veronica, but my project everyone that calls it. Broge is Polish, isn't it? Yeah, it's very similar.

There's a lot of crossover in cuisines, but, you know, Polish people say like, oh, he invented roguys and Ukrainians say, oh, we invented Veronica. So there's sometimes not so friendly banter about that, but I will say that. As heard at the border. Yeah.

There's a lot of Ukrainian cuisine that's not very well known, and I feel like that is where it really comes into being underrated. So my wife got a bunch of cookbooks for Christmas, Ukrainian cuisine, and there's definitely stuff that she had never known about. I'm like, oh yeah, there's that. It's actually really good. Like, even things that, like, crapes, crapes are a really big part of Ukrainian cuisine. I feel like that's not well-known,

but everyone likes them. Chocolate. Chocolate is huge in Ukraine and I'm biased. I think it's the best chocolate out there, better than Swiss chocolate for sure. What kind of chocolate is it, like, compared to something that we would have here? like what's the flavor like the, I don't know, the description if you will.

Camille chock and dark chocolate. It's just the quality and the ingredients of it. I can't, you know, I can't explain it. Like, say like, why is Swiss chocolate better than Hershey chocolate? It's like, well.

Taste like home. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's underrated for sure. So there's my challenge out to all the crew. Go to any European shop that you can and find the chocolate with my name on it.

there you go and try that it's my last name it's a miachopatazi it's uh I don't enjoy it but some of you might oh guess it's my turn

my turn I knocked them out okay unpaid or underrated white monster unpaid fuck you how do I get this

called in there are better flavors of monster. Like for me, the ultra sunrise is my favorite one. As noted. Yeah, because it tastes like orange juice. But the white monster, I just, it's fine, but it doesn't live up to the hype. It's the one that you can, for me, it's the one that, like, if they don't have anything else I want, I'll get a white monster. Yeah.

Right? I don't do a white monster. But. Sorry to interrupt. I was just checking in Discord. Big Joe Lisa asked if you guys have tried Cottage Cheese live. No, it's usually dead when I get it.

No, like the fucking bed, like you listen to the band live. It's really funny if you think about it. Okay. You're shitting on it, but it's actually the funniest joke has ever made.

It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. Have you seen it live?

It's very funny. You just got to see it. Yeah. Have you? No. What I was doing there is an improv thing where it's yes and where you just add to the joke and and and keep it going. That just irks me. Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

I didn't get it. There's one that I can get up here. It's a rock star, silver ice. It tastes like smearing off ice, but with caffeine instead of alcohol, it's top tier. Speaking of gas station energy drinks. Unpaid or underrate, what? I don't think. A Smyrna off ice energy drink would be interesting. And that's what this is. It's just called Rockstar Sites ice.

Like, didn't Shmirnoff had like 20 flavors? I'm trying to think it was. It was just like a clear, wasn't it? It's just like, it's just Smyrnaff Ice. Smyrna off Ice is just Smeanov Ice. Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. Okay, yeah, now that I'm thinking about it. I think I think back in the day. Yes, there was like a strawberry flavored when I had one. Unpaid or underrated? Bluey. I think it's underrated, even though it's universally loved.

You have to be like, I love it. Because it, if you're a parent and self-aware, I think it challenges you to be a better parent. Yep. There's those times when you get super frustrated, and honestly, I think it's going to happen to anyone. But then you look back to like, all right, what would Chilean bandit have done?

What would Bandit have done? Yeah. Yeah. And I think it also, because it gives depth to all the characters. There's not just like monotone and like, or in, you know, one-dimensional foot figures that you see in a lot of other shows. So. Or every sitcom ever where the dad is just like,

bumbling moron. Yeah. Just pays all their bills. It's like, I hate that shit. There's times where like bandits still seen as a fun parent, but you can see that come through with like chili. So there's always going to be a little bit of a dynamic there, but they still have their own characteristics,

their own time for they shine and fall down as parents. and you're like, all right, I can respect that. And even the children are all different personalities. They don't just show them being, let's say, correct at every single time. But there are some episodes where I'm like, oh, no. Kids don't do that. Or even that's just like the lesson is annoying. Like the lesson was when you said, oh, I promise we can go to a library after you're done to the trampoline part.

But they miss it because they wouldn't leave early enough. you know, lessons like, hey, you have to keep your promises or something along those lines, but I said, but it's, you can't, it's just physically impossible. At some point, you have to learn the consequences. And it's a very low consequence to learn here. But for how many episodes there are, they do a great job. Ultimate Bluey Parent Question.

Which episode made you cry? That was a very good question. There are a few episodes, I guess, that... Well, I get you close. I don't think to cry. Yeah, but the one that I think does hit is the one where the baby race one. Yes. Where Chile's told like, hey, you're doing a great job.

So I have to want my wife know that every now and that because she can be a bit harsh yourself at times. Yeah. She won't walk. She won't walk. well she finally saw something she wanted and it was her mom yep boom done um the sleep regression one where um is it bingo yep is space is in the space but it's just like all metaphors for learning to sleep on her own got me i've said it before my favorite episode is the creek is beautiful because I grew up in an area that used to be just wide open creeks.

It was one of the most, it's the most famous area in southern Ontario. It was called the Red Hill Valley. And, you know, there was creeks and rivers and waterfalls until they poisoned the shit out of it. You can't go in it anymore. It's like, I want to show my kids this stuff. Right?

And until you get them in there and show them, they have no interest. but also my other favorite episode is one of the shorts. Did you watch the shorts? We haven't seen a lot of the shorts because my daughter just kind of wanted to watch the shows over and over again. There's one short when it's like a noir detective story with Bandit using a puppet. It's the funniest episode that they've ever made because it's just him being an absolute menace. and like it's just them trying to figure out who keeps tapping somebody on the other shoulder and not being there. But it's like he's got this bear detective.

And like the whole time you see his feet sticking out from under the desk. Like it's just stupid. But it's very fun. All right. That's enough. Bluie talk. I guess I got one more. And sorry, Keith.

I'm going to continue to bore you here a bit. You're good. Unpaid or underrated. Teaching your daughter, Ronnie Coleman quotes. Oh, it is so underrated. It's the best, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Actually, so in my first contest this year,

you can hear some of the videos where she says, yeah, buddy, lightweight. I'm so proud of those. How old is she? The best to be done. She's four now. Yeah, mine too. She just turned four like a week before my first contest this year.

Yeah. at the end of we used to be a proper stinking country Rory put yeah buddy at the end and at the end of every time you just hear my daughter in the backseat of the car going yeah buddy and I'm just like yes thank you I also taught of the too sweet I taught both my kids too sweet

it's the NWO thing from wrestling years and years and years ago and for me it's it's like a thing where like you know some parents are like you have to hug your family members Like, you have to. But, like, sometimes kids don't want to hug. Yeah.

Right? So you do your check in. You do your, do you want a hug? No. How about a handshake? No. How about a high five? No.

Do you want a too sweet? So my kid's too sweet. And I also taught Jake from State Farm. I taught his daughter, too sweet. So she always sends me, he sends me pictures of her doing it. She still remembers me yet. It is pretty nice. That's all I got for unpaid and underrated.

Actually, one more. One more. One more. Unpaid or unpaid. underrated leather seats in your car? I think they're unpaid. They're hot in the summer,

cold in the winter, get really sweaty. The benefit is they're easier to clean up, something spills on them, but I just prefer cloth seats. I guess the only thing you don't get in cloth seats usually is ventilated seats, but again, you don't

really need them. If you're fine, but I don't like leather seats in the car even though that a lot of the ones that we've had have had them. I opted out for that same reason. I was like, nope, don't want them. My shorts are too short. I don't want to sit down on leather seats.

My new work truck has them. Or if they're not leather, they're like a, you know, a leather, you know, variant or, you know, an impersonation. Leather. But the big benefit of that will be like, we're going to have that truck for another, you know, the last truck I had was 10, 15 years old. it's 10 years old, but like the seat, the cloth seats were disgusting because they've had like 10 different coworkers just, you know, spilling food and drinks on it for a decade and the fucking car, those van stank. So I'm optimistic that if I'm with this company for another 10 years,

driving the same truck, like, I'll be able to clean the seats and they won't be just fucking disgusting. So that is the downside to cloth seats. For me, it's coffee. Just, you know, I take my lid off so that it cools down faster because I use a Yeti and it just keeps it dumb hot to the point I can't drink it for hours. So I'll take the lid off while I'm driving. And if I go over a bump, there's just coffee everywhere. And now the car just reeks of coffee. All right.

I think you passed on Peter underrated. Did. And we hear you got some stuff for us, my friend. I do. I want to play a game. You guys probably would be familiar with it. Blind ranking. We're going to do double blind.

So you don't even know the category. Okay. and we're going to take turns start with Keith and then go to Joey okay so we're 1 to 10 what's the scale one to 10 there's 5 5 things for each person and you guys are doing the same list so it's going to be it's a group list like like okay yeah okay so okay so the first thing Keith

the Titan fitness competition bench and squat rack combo that's a fucking So one being the best, right? Yes. So that's like a fucking eight at the, yeah, because it's going to be at least two things shittier. And like,

that's bad, but like I could think of a million things to talk in my head that is worse because it is a combo rack that is only, was only like $5,600. So it gets you in the door, but it's a piece of shit.

So eight, I think it's the most fair. If, but who knows, this is this double blind, who knows what the topic is. So yeah, I'm going to go with eight

and play it safe. Okay. All right. Joey. Okay. The Amazon Magic Life Adjustable Weightbench. I fucking hate that thing. Got me through COVID, essentially. Like you, I started building my gym, probably in 2018, 2019, started out as a bunch of pieces of board and a barbell in my driveway.

And then when we moved it in, I got the rack. I could squat. I just needed a quick bench, didn't want to spend a ton of money. And my buddy was like, I have this one and it's good. It was not good. The feet started falling off. It wiggles under heavy weight. Not that I'm benching anything that heavy, but like you put anything over 150 pounds on

there and you are kind of everywhere. And then the hole in the middle, I had to roll up a towel. There's such a big gap. and put it in there because my ass would fall in while I'm benching. So I'm going to give that thing. So I can't take eight, right? Correct. Because we're, well, it's high interruption.

Okay. Just because I'm with Keith and I imagine you're going to give us something somehow shittier because I still use that thing for rows, for chest supported rows and some incline bench. So I'm going to, I'm going to put that under. six just to take up the six spot. Gotcha. All right. Back to Keith.

You. The Rogue Fitness, SB1, safety squat bar. That's a, oh, that is the worst fucking safety squat bar ever.

It is the shittiest, most uncomfortable pad. Like, I've, I feel pain when, like, a safety squat bar is so you can squat pain free

and have this nice pad on your neck and, like, take all the stress off your shoulders and your, elbows and all that. And where it does help take off the stress off your shoulders and your elbows, it fucking breaks your goddamn neck because it's so fucking diff. It's just the shittiest. No, that is a fucking, uh, is it 10 or is it, it's got to be nine because something's going to be worse. Yeah, it's fucking. Because if he asks me about my safety squat bar,

it's worse, trust me. And I used eight, like, like, is it a seven though? Oh, uh, uh, no, because it's worse than the fucking Titan combo. rack so it's a it's a fucking nine all right joey the kabuki strength pure delif bar um I've used it in competitions

and I think I used it at Keith's house you did you did um it's vintage now almost too it is that's obsolete close yeah um four uh

is it as good as my Texas deadlift bar no but is it as bad as the rogue one I used? No. That's a good example. It's not better. It's not worse. It's different.

Those other things you've mentioned are worse. Yeah, it did the job I needed when I had it. Makes sense. All right, Keith. Cap, barbell, power rec stand. Oh, like a squat, the squat stand. I know where you're, I know what you're doing.

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So I do that, that thing, uh, so the one he's talking about specifically I had got during COVID as like a auxiliary rack for the garage, like pre me actually having a garage gym like two years ago when I started that like like 2020. Like there was nothing in my garage. My garage was a garage, but I threw together a secondary gym for my friends to use during lockout when no one could come in the house and like your gyms were closed. So that thing did okay. And it was like, I think at the time. even new. It knew. It knew today. It's like 150 bucks or something. But like imagine it's a squat stand. But it's fucking a bolt together in the middle. So like, so it can ship in one small box. So like it's pretty shitty in that sense. But I've saw people squat 400 pounds on it and bench like 300 pounds on it. And it was fine.

So I guess what's open? Seven's open. One, two, three, five, seven. Ten. I mean, it's bad. It's seven or is it a five? I'm going to go with it, being a five, because there's a lot worse things out there. Okay, so just as a recap, one, two, three are open,

seven, and ten are also open. Okay. So, Joey, the Northern Lights Safety Squat bar. Ten. I was, when you asked him about his, here's the thing about the Northern Light Safety Squabre

bar. A hundred bucks when I bought it. Like it was, yeah, brand new. Dumb cheap. Doesn't have a pad. There is no pad. And the handles are completely straight and two and a half feet long. That's like not a safety squat bar.

That's like a fucking, that's a weird camber bar with handles or some shit. That's the dust thing. Yeah. So it does what it's supposed. to do, but when you're squat if you squat to depth, the handles hit your knees. For me, at least, because I'm 5 foot

4. Well, I put a pad on it. I had to cut one of the dumb pads and tape it on. Cut the fucking handles off that thing. Yeah. Cut cut a foot off of them. So you eventually have to learn when you're doing safety squat that when you get down to the, well, like I said, I'm only 5'4 or 4.4 or whatever you want to call it. um so you have to like push it up as you're squatting so that it doesn't hit your knees uh yeah

change the whole like geometry of this like yeah yeah that's that sounds like yeah it definitely is yeah compared to it's bad it's very it but i also don't safety squat anymore at all it's all back squats and viking press and viking squads might be a uh sell of some other asshole and make it their problem bar Yeah. Come take it from me for $10. All right. Keith,

the cap barbell, 45-pound elite power frame, power bar in Chrome. So I'm basically going to call that just a hex bolt barbell. Take your pick of what company. I mean,

the cap one specifically, I think it's the one I had reviewed there. But it's not good. But I've also seen people fucking deadlift, squat, bench, you know, three, four, five hundred pounds. Like, I, like, in person, done it might, well, not, well, but done the, you know, some variation of that. But yeah, it's, it's the first thing people get when they get a home gym a lot of times, but it's usually the first thing that gets upgraded. So, you said seven was

open? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's got to be a seven, because it's, it's not a good piece of equipment, but it, like, you know, I think seven's fair. It, it's in the lower echelot, but not all the way at the bottom. So I think that's where it's got to go. Just your, your cheap, shitty entry level barbell. The worst things about those two is a lot of the ones I had gotten in sets, maybe not specifically cap, but like, I bought a lot of 300 pound weight sets that came with a barbell. So it's 255 pounds with the weights and a barbell. You weigh that barbell half the time? It weighs fucking like 37 pounds, 41 pounds, 49 pounds. Like they are very much, like, I had a guy once get super butt hurt and like called me back off marketplace and was like,

yeah, dude, you sold me like a fucking 39 pound. bar or something with like the 250 pounds of weights. So I think I even gave him like a 20, but I gave them, I either give him a different bar or give him a refund or something. I remember what it was. But then anytime I was flipping weights after that, I would always list it as a 250 pound, 25 pound weight set with a seven foot bar and not list the weight. So there was no me telling you it was a 45 pound barbell. So I got to watch my hands of that. So yeah, that's a, you know, there's worse and there's better. Yeah, that's fair. I've seen seven foot barbells. That's on Facebook Warfare place and they never look good.

Okay, Joey, the triple Wadhammer, or sorry, Tribe Wadhammer. The Tribe Wadhammer. What's open? One, two, and three. Hope we have good stuff. Yeah, the thing about that, and I was looking at it today, because I'm going to see a Viking metal band tomorrow,

and I wanted to make a post, like, do you think they'll let me bring this? It's very, so it's essentially sold as a kettlebell. but it's shaped like Thor's hammer. Gotcha. Right? And so therefore it has no kettlebell uses to you. You can't swing it.

You can't spin it. You can't do very many kettlebells other than snatch. Or what I sometimes use it for is I've been doing the Tom Havilland, Tom Havilland, the leaning shrug. And it works for that kind of stuff. because it's 35 pounds, right? It's not a ton of weight. So if I'm having a low RPE day, I'll use that. It is cool. It is fun looking, but it's not a kettlebell. It actually has very minimal use in the gym. It actually holds my landmine down right now, which is what its main purpose

in my gym is. But one, two, and three being open, I'm going to put that at two because I do think it's one of the more novel pieces in my gym, especially because I do like odd lifts and trying to just viper press that over your head is not easy. It's only 35 pounds, but I can imagine if it was heavier for us.

Just straight up a hammer, though, so like you have to pick it up. And so then you're doing that, yeah, that's, that being so unbalanced. Without her fucking wrist, I think, trying to snatch that. It's very unpleasant and I've done it a few times. And it's like the opposite. It's literally, the opposite of a kettlebell.

Yep. Like the weights and the opposite. Well, yeah. But yeah, that just sounds gross. All right. Keith, your last one. The massanomics for salt macripper. Synomics.

You know, it came from a good company. You know, it's a mom and pop store. You know, it's veteran founded. You know, they are good guys over there. Brick and mortar. Yeah, it's brick and mortar.

It came from, you know, It's it supported local business, you know, those Minnanites and their laser cutter that they have out there somehow with their, with their, you know, power. Yeah, I'm not great at it. If I was better at it, maybe I give it the number one spot, but since I'm not very good at it, and my wife is pretty much the equivalent on the one-handed lift at me, I got to put it at two, I suppose, if that's what's open. I think three is open. Yeah. Oh, no, that means whatever you've given me is number one. yeah I'll go three then because it's not

I don't I can't give it number one sorry boys I'm also really bad at it but I try I still try it's fine but it's it's not one number one it's number three it's like the it's on the podium at three Tanner Tanner don't don't come at me for this

the horse doll macrippers he comes he'll come where he wants to me a bit like the cards against humanity of weightlifting parties because I don't do grip training, but I still wanted one in my gym so that when other people come, we could all play with it,

but I rarely ever use it by myself. Does that make sense? Yeah. Speaking of cards against humanity, I saw a funny reel where someone had given Daniel Radcliffe's, so Harry Potter, if he was not familiar, his cards against humanity was something very vulgar

about his asshole or something, and they had him sign that. And like his reaction, once he realized what it was and like read it, It was just really funny because he was like he was like he was in on it. He got it. He was, you know, wasn't offended by everything. It was just really funny.

It was my cards against humanity. All right. Joey. So, I mean, there's one spot left, but see how you feel about this. The Texas dead the far. Yeah, that's going to be number one of all the things you listed. That you did work out well. Yeah.

Are you sure you weren't cooking the books, Pablo? And you had like a list of 30. You were just handpicking 10 of them for us. No, these were 10. I specifically did four of the lowest rated things you all had on gym radar, a selection of the lowest rated things on in Gerrite. And then two of the highest. So one of each is the highest.

And this worked out. So Texas Dad Left Bar. It's my second favorite bar in the gym, next to my Bells of Steel Power Bar. It's aggressive nerling. I don't really lift enough at the moment to get too much whip off of it. But I know everybody says, unless you're doing over 500 pounds, you don't notice the whip. You do.

If you put 315 on a straight bar and 315 on a deadlift bar and you do one rep on each, you're going to notice the whip. Like, it's there. I hope Cam doesn't hate me for telling this story, but he went to the Bells of Steel Shore Room today, and he tried their deadlift bar and chose not to purchase it. because the nerling wasn't as aggressive, which means Texas death bar is definitely up there in aggressive nerling.

So yeah, I wouldn't expect an import China bar to, I mean, granted some of them are getting really good at knocking stuff off, but. Yeah. So I think that's a good number one. Yeah.

You want to notice that, uh, the recap of the top 10 and then also make sure you send me that, uh, a screenshot of that or the text because I think I won't make good social. Or, or if you can make one like they do on the massonomics one where it's like, yeah,

just do, well, honestly, do all the legwork or send it. to someone who So send it to Stall Matt and he'll he'll make it an image for us.

Okay. Let's see. So number 10, Northern Lights Safety Squat bar. Number nine, rogue safety squat bar. Do you have what we rated any of these off the top of your head?

Or do you have to go? I have to go. Basically, Joey's worth rating was like three stars and most of the things you had were one or two. Maybe not even two stars. then it's the uh the titan competition squat bench and squat rock combo then the cap barbell power bar the magic life adjustable weight bench the cap rack the kabuki strength delift bar the horse saw mat gripper the tri bladhammer and then the texas delift bar i'm happy with how i ranked mine like i you know once you said what it was it was kind of

obviously like, okay, it's German radar one to 10. Hopefully it doesn't pull any wild cards but like, yeah, that's,

I wouldn't shift a ton of stuff on that, honestly. I, I probably would switch the Kabuki deadlift bar

with the tribon hammer for four and two. Just because I think, like, if somebody said to me, you could have one of each of these for free, I would take the death

bar any day. But it is what it is. It was a blind ranking. Ain't no going back. That might have been the most fun game. I've ever played. Good. I really enjoyed that.

I don't think we've done a blind ranking and incorporating, you know, those mystery guys over at Jim Radar and giving them, you know, more. Whoever those handsome fellas are, they're doing a great job. Well done, Bob. Was that our, that's our game? That was your game. Loved it. Amazing work.

And as I asked you in Discord, it was a, you know, it's a relatively new segment. So we got to have fun with that. Good. All right. Very enjoyable. I found some bugs during Jim Radar stuff on it. Oh, no. That's what I told me, like, hey, if you, if you sort it by, like,

least the worst ranking, it doesn't, like, properly go through the next pages. I think it's mostly fixed. That's, I mean, it's, well, they're, what, four or five months in now, so it's good to keep getting feedback. I mean, that's, as the website grows, I mean, stuff's going to come up, and there's stuff that probably just had gone not noticed. so the more people that use it and the more bugs he has to fix and find that's because people are exploring the website more which is cool so I mean it's not a horrible thing that

random shit gets found like that so let's you know keep up to good work everybody uh big Pablo where do you want people to find you at uh Instagram it's pretty much my only social media that I use um and if you know if you're in the discord discord as well Darrell Pablo. And how about your gym radar? Laboratory of Strength. Now, you find me at Joey underscore Molesco, M-L-E-C-Z-K-O on Instagram, and on Jim Radar at the DILF Dungeon.

Fun story, I sent John from Sarnia, a powerlifting, my DILF Dungeon sticker, and he messaged me today. Yeah, he goes, one of the female lifters I have said, where is this Delfth dungeon? I'm asking for a friend. I thought that that was a very funny reaction to. I thought that was a really good reaction. Thanks, John and Jess. We have an Instagram, unpaid and underrated podcast. We've got the website, Unpaid Internpodcast.com.

Please head over to the Massonomics Discord. Find that you and you channel under Crew. Is that what it's under? What's the sub-channel of the sub-channel? I think it's the crew channels. Yeah, the crew channels. That is where we are at. That's where, you know, 150 past guests are going to, you know, answer any questions you have about our backlog, any relevant questions to the new episodes, you know, anything from episode one, anything about Joey and I's personal lives that you want to ask, you know, we might not answer all that, but, you know, usually we do. So go check that out.

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