Unpaid And Underrated - 158 : Pay Some Palms (ft. Big Hayden)

Episode Date: May 19, 2026

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Hayden. They dive right into some great topics like trap bar deadlifts, accents, wrestling, owning a gym, and reverse hypers. Links Ü&Ü Hoodie Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab Get Your Own Keith Head Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast Our Guest On Instagram @lovelady_71 Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar @joey_mleczko Special Guest: Big Hayden.

And welcome back to episode 753 of the unpaid and iterated podcast, a podcast by crew for crew. I'm one of your host Big Keith, joined here as always by Big Joey. Hello. And this week we have a special guest joining us, Big Love Lady. How you doing, buddy? I'm good, man. I'm super blessed. Glad to be on.

Love it. Glad to have you. Good to see you. Anybody drink anything fancy this week? No. Keith's what you got? Oh, just a water. Lou. Lime Waterloo. Nothing's fancy.

And the go-to right there, the monster Zero Sugar original. Are you in our time zone? Or are you, you're in Alabama, right? So are you in the... Oh, yeah. Are you in, you're not in Centro? Central.

Yeah. Okay, so you are, so it's only sick. That's still early to be. It's still late to be hammering some, a full can of Monster band. Oh, yeah. Oh, buddy. But you'll be lively. That'll make, make up for the host, the pair of hosts that are falling asleep over here. falling back asleep, let's say falling back asleep.

I'm here, though. I'm here to have fun. Yeah, a nice little Karen cut on there, love lady. What you got? What's that? I can only see the top. Oh, oh, I got you're a shirt. Man, I'm walking. Oh, wow. Big John.

That he's home. Nice. That haven't seen that one in a while. Yeah, I had to give a shout out to John. Yeah, he's a good. Former guest. Former guest, friend of the podcast. I just got the deadlifter shirt on.

rocking that. Joey's got a little weekend warrior action looks like. If you don't know what that is, then stick around a little bit longer in the Discord before you start asking. Pick up stuff by osmosis. You'll figure it up. What do we got? So I think the big news in my book is we are officially out of unpaid and underrated shirts. Hell yeah. Thank you, Katie. Yeah, we went back and looked and it's, I'm going to call it two years. It might be just under. but ballpark within a month or so from now we had uh you know tanner sent all this our samples out or the you know the the tester not the testers but the this this the sneaky ones to me joey and Nate and we did her pictures and everything so that's when i took my pictures was just about a two years ago and you know they sat there for a minute the as of late just because i think there

was a medium and an extra small and i think it had been down to that there for a while but it was cool because it kind of was still on the website there for that last few years few months and then Big Katie Morehead pulled the trigger and got the last one and it was really funny seeing her post because, you know, I smaller, you know what I know, she's pretty jacked, but she's like 120, 1.30 somewhere

in that realm and she's just blowing, blowing the seams out of the extra small. It's pretty funny. I think she was mad at herself that she even fit into it at all, but like to say that she fit into it was, you know, disrespect to the shirt. Yeah, yeah, generous, however you want to take it. But yeah, she was, uh, she was blowing the seams on that.

But that was really cool to see. I knew, you know, her and Tyler Thompson were fighting over which one could get to order it. But I guess he graciously let her pull the trigger. I always say if a shirt's a little too small, just cut the sleeves off and you'll be fine. There we go. But I think Katie's going to blow those sleeves out if she keeps wearing it. Yeah, those are going to explode. But it was cool to see that.

It was cool that they took a, you know, they took a chance on us a couple years ago. And, you know, it took us two years. We sold out, buddy. We made them $11. Yeah, only one thing left to do. Stay tuned. Any chance of making a new one? Stay, never say never.

Hey, thank you for lining that up. You didn't even know that was coming. Thank you for lining that up. Never say never. There's some talks. There's some wheels being greased and some, you know, some, some palms being paid and all that. But we'll see if we get something worked out.

Some palms being paid. Yeah, grease in the wheel. Well, do you grease a wheel? Well, you grease, do you grease a wheel and a palm? Yeah. What do you do to a palm? Well, I don't think grease the wheel is a phrase. No, it absolutely is, because that's like a mechanical thing.

Yeah, but I don't think like that's a phrase. I think it's like, no, you definitely grease the wheel. No, you grease the wheel. Well, maybe. The wheel. Spin the wheel. Let us know in Discord if I'm completely wrong or if it's a little bit of both. We'll see.

But yeah, that's cool. We'll see what happens. It's, I don't know. It's really cool. I'm going to miss those red ones being on the site, but, you know, we'll see what happens coming up. So Stephanie and I went up to a, it's called the Lilac Festival. I wouldn't call it a fair. It's not a carnival.

It's just, it's a, I guess it's a fair slash, I don't know, but it's a, to an event, they have vendors and everything. It's live music for like a week straight, but the essential, your typical fair slash carnival vendors, no, well, they might have some rides for kids and shit, but it's mostly just like the food vendors. my God, if we didn't spend about 80 bucks last night, and I didn't even get, maybe, let's see, I'm going to do the math. So a turk, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the turkey leg thing is, $22, you know, plus, plus, plus, plus a couple dollar.

I think she tipped a dollar and had a dollar service charge. So it was fucking $25 bucks out the door. What's the service charge? Oh, just used fucking credit card, apparently. They just, they would, you know, they want to add that in there, because they're just crazy. So call it $24 for a turkey leg. Okay. But it was, I was like, that's fucking crazy when she brought it back.

It was pretty goddamn big. And so I get it. It tastes really good. But I think she ate like about seven bites and then I had to carry around a four pound turkey like for the next half hour. At least they had like a, you know, a bag for to put it in, which is nice. And then what else you get? We got a lemonade, freshly squeezed lemonade with about a pound of sugar in it. I think it was about $13, $14.

Wow. I was going to say those are six bucks. That's, oh, that'd be great. That would have been great. And then the main, my favorite carnival food is funnel cake, you know, not fried dough, not, you know, that's completely different, but a nice funnel cake once every couple years, that's what I need. And I'd honestly be okay with about a third of a funnel cake, but it's Stephanie has like two bites and then it's like, I'm stuck. He's trying to eat the rest. And then it's like,

I'm not going to carry it. We're, but we're about a mile or so from where the fair is. That's why we go because it's like, it's walking distance. I wouldn't, it's not something I'd necessarily would drive and pay for parking for. But anyway, the whole moral of the stories is just, geez, Louise, did we spend damn near 70 bucks on a turkey leg, a lemonade, and a piece of funnel cake. And I was just like, that's what we would have paid to go get to, you know, New York strip steaks down the street at the restaurant. So I just found that funny. Like, I don't know how people go out.

Like, I don't know how someone could take their kids out to this stuff. And looking around, there wasn't, like, the kids that were there were like, like, babies that were just not really getting their own food kind of thing or like toddlers. There wasn't like that, like, you know, seven to 12 year old demographic that could be like, oh, I want my own thing because I don't think people can afford to take their families to stuff like that because it's just outrageously priced. If this weekend is the Lilac Festival, I think that marks two years since I showed up at your house. That sounds about right. Like two years to the weekend because that was the Lilac Festival where I was down there.

Every year we have it. It's funny. It's like those spring festivals. It's kind of funny. It's kind of snow. It's going to be 90 or it's going to rain. Yeah. You know, and I might do that all in the same week.

I pulled a big Tanner this week. Maybe it was last week, actually. But I was sitting down flipping the TV, maybe two weeks ago, whichever it was. And I don't know what drew me to it. Actually, I think it was. I started watching Band of Brothers. I actually did a whole watch through a Band of Brothers. I watched it probably 20 years ago.

Maybe not when it was new because I don't think I had HBO, but I would have watched it in my late teens, early 20s in the, you know, somewhere in the mid 2000 issues. And, you know, so it's been over 20 years since I've seen it. I was, I binged it, I think, in two days, maybe two or three sittings. It's a good show. It was a very good show, which is funny enough, I had a couple of other friends that were, like, referencing it that weekend in the gym. They're like, oh, yeah, I'm watching Bander Brothers.

And I was like, that's ironic because I'm watching it too. So I could see why Tanner watches it so often because it really did pull me in. And I think I was, saw someone talking about it. I actually think it was a Facebook reel or something. doing like a story of one of the sub characters and like how they met the real life person and stuff. So that kind of just drew me in. And then that got Band of Brothers in my feed. And then another clip was, I think it was like Bill and I, the science guy maybe. Or was a Mike Rowe. What is that? No, the dirty jobs guy. I think he was talking about it. And I've never heard

this phrase, but he said a remote dropper. And when referring to a show that you have to just drop the remote when you get there. And I was like, oh, I've never heard that phrase before. I like that. So that was my updates. I don't think I have anything other personal going on. Anything in the notes that's few, Joey? No, no. Looks like Sunday I'm heading over to the Dam Institute over in Toronto,

and I'm going to be actually doing all of the events of the Liptard Levisi over there with Cam, Steve, and Stasia, all crew members. Beyond that, no. Should talk a little bit about last week's episode, I guess. Just, good feedback. Yeah, incredible reviews. Thank you to everybody that posted and let us know. I know I had personally, publicly admitted that I was very nervous about that episode dropping.

And a lot of you chastised me for that. So, yeah, it, I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. I'm glad you guys had fun. The odds of us doing another one soon are slim. But it does sound like it is something the people want. And I guess if somebody's up to making it, I'm sure we'll be up to doing it. Yeah, I think next year. Yeah, yeah.

That's not like a, that's a once every 12 to 24 month kind of thing. It was fun. It exceeded my expectations of its funness. I was very self, not self-con. I was very nervous going into it. I'm like, man, I don't want to sit here and talk about fucking like dragons and goblins and critters for two hours. It's going to be the most boring episode ever. but like to make it crew centric as massonomics aberdeen yeah burney like all that just made it cool uh

it was enjoyable and i know nate you're listening a lot of feedback um specifically that nate is damn hilarious and i want to point out i know keith knows we both know that nate is very very very funny. So it was really fun to have him as part of that and to be there with us that entire time because I do think he added a lot to that. And he was going to be here this week, but he's still on the hunt for that pro laps. Yeah. But also, utilize don't always have to give us positive feedback.

If you didn't like something, you're allowed to DM us. You're allowed to, like, you know, there is a public forum to have your discourse on the Discord. Have your Discord on. Yeah, I'm still going to call it this. Fuck you guys. You can go have Discord and the Discord. I don't care if that's what I'm calling it. But yeah, like, you don't always have to stroke our egos if you don't like something or there's certain aspects of the podcast that, you know, we might not always listen.

And I might argue with you in public forum too, but like, I don't know, some stuff might be legitimate. And we want the podcast to fit the vibe of the crew, not necessarily just, you know. wow and uh when they do if they do have uh if they do not enjoy it what should they how should they go about it um oh what is in my incorrect yeah yeah in my incorrect opinion yeah do do do start it with that uh for sure um this week's youtube video was the uh big why am i drawn a big deadliest lift yeah yeah it yep yep it was good i did get a chance to watch it i uh had to wait i'm not able to, and I didn't have any chance to like, they didn't have a lunch break or anything. So usually I'm able to watch a lot

of it like, you know, on the clock or kind of chilling in the truck, but it was all kind of consumed about an hour ago, but it was good. It was funny because literally there was, someone had asked about the D&D dice from home gymcon because there's a guy that, uh, Ryan J. Pitts that made this like, I want to

say a two foot by two foot like D20 die that you like actually can like fill with lead shot and use as like a loading implement. So, but they also, when it's empty, they can like roll it down like if they're rolling dice so there was about a 30 second dungeon and dragons and conversation on today's uh massanomics video which is just the the meta-ness the meta universe of you know they talked about dungeon and dragons the week before our episode or maybe it was a week

of our episode you know and then they did that in the video uh listening live on last night's video tanner did get really uh i did enjoy tainters kind of summarizing our uh our three-year anniversary in the episode itself and you know kind of giving a kudos, so that was good to hear. I did miss a little bit of the pre-show because I had to go out a little personal weight journey, weight pickup. I was laying in bed. It was like, you know, 9-15, 9-30, something like that, getting ready for the pre-show. And I saw all these weights on marketplace. I was like, oh, that's a really, really good deal. That's a really, really good deal. So I sent him an offer or started a negotiation and, you know, we had kind of an agreement.

And then it was like, oh, yeah, you can come now, right? And I'm like, motherfucker. It's like 9-30. No, I'm not coming now. And he's like, oh, well, if you can't come now, like, I'm not I'm not going to be able for like two weeks or some bullshit. So I was like, so I kind of countered with like, all right, you, you throw these a pair of 10 pound milled yorks and then you knock off 20 bucks and I can come right now. But anything other than that, like I'm not getting out of bed. So he agreed and I freaking got home at like 11 o'clock. But I was, yeah, I was listening to pre-show and the show while going on a, you know, a 45-minute round trip to go get some weights at fucking 10 o'clock at night. So it was a journey.

Hmm. What else? Big Love ladies, did you get a chance to listen to their, uh, their, their, massonomics episode last week? Yeah, the last week's episode with Grant, I listened to it. I finished it up yesterday. And first off, Grant's a great dude. I've met him a few times at the Arnold and just really enjoyed that.

Actually, going to try the 50-cow challenge this week. Oh, yeah. You got one of those rogue bikes. I do. Oh, yeah. That is like people keep, like, people are posting different times off different bikes. And it's like, well, that can't like, yeah, this guy's got like a 20-second time. And like the other guy's got like a six, I mean, I'm not saying that.

I wouldn't have a six minutes time, but I'm curious of the legitimacy of some of those times when they're used on completely different bikes. Yeah, for sure. But if you had to give that a rating or any other feedback on the episode, what do you think? Let's give it a five out of five leg extensions. How about that? Is there a good felt load on those this week? Oh, yeah. All right.

Yeah. So, yeah, it was a big grand episode, probably the first. I feel like they had a second guess I've had recently. Oh, they had Darko on a couple. in the last couple months, I think. But yeah, I do like when they do get it up, when they do get a guest, it's nice to win to repeat guests, I think, at this point.

Or at least some, well, in Darko's case, was repeat because, you know, we, we were personal friends with Darko, but like people in our world that we already know. I don't need to hear, I don't need to have them interview people, then I have to go follow on Instagram because I don't know them yet.

Like, if they're not already in my world, I probably don't care too much about what they have to say. But yeah, good episode. I liked, I can't remember which, I think it was, I think Grant actually said it that, um, referencing how he was, you know, trying to podcast as much as he could when he was deployed and, uh, referencing how podcast or curse. And I was just like, heck, I can, some nights when you're just dead tired or, you know, whatever this family situation is. I'm like, yeah, because he was, and I took it as like, I can't not podcast. No matter what's going on in my life. Like, I might have to shift a day here and there, but like, no matter what, for the most part, like, we're podcast in that week. And, uh, referring to that as a curse. And, uh, referring to that as a curse. And, I was just kind of like, it's a good curse, but sometimes it is a curse, I guess. They just made me chuckle when he said that.

And then Tanner, you know, playing this really original game that he came up with all by himself. What is the best and worst, you know? I mean, that's the least fun and most fun game I ever heard. But no, obviously, I stole the game from somebody else. And it's just funny because everyone steals everything. But it was immune. Because I think I mentioned it.

And then Jen was like, oh, yeah, I was going to call him out. And then I was like, ha, ha. And then she was like, well, don't fucking act. like you don't steal everything and I'm like, well, well, yeah, it's just the funny aspect of life. We've never taken anything from them. But I'll go ahead and give it a five out of five Big Toby scoring some strength co plates on Marketplace. Yeah, I definitely listened, got through it. It took me two days, but I got there.

Nothing said that I wouldn't say I did enjoy them going off on Optimal. That was really fun because I had done it pretty much that day as well. and somebody at work was complaining about those broccoli-haired kids that do three reps and then go flex in the mirror. And then I was just like, well, because they're doing optimal training. Like, I just started fucking shouting about felt load and optimal training and all that shit. Yeah, so I'll give that one a five out of five strength of plates. All right. Any affiliates?

I think we got, I think I should start ending my rating. so then reference, then it goes back to you for the affiliates. You don't have to feel obligated to talk for six minutes straight. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll make a mental note for that next week. Yeah, we'll do it. Of course, we've got obsidian pneumonia.

We've got plate snacks. I saw Beltfed strength being talked about in the Discord. Somebody dropped Code Unpaid with them, which was really awesome. In fact, directing them from Pioneer to Belt Fed and saying Code Unpaid. That was awesome of you. You can use Code Unpaid. all three of those, some of those are kickbacks. Some of them aren't. Some of them are just for you.

Doesn't matter. As long as you use code unpaid and let them know that we sent you. Big Love Lady, do you have a little sponsor read for, you know, the sisters? Oh, yeah, absolutely. The little sisters. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what I refer to him. Watching Tanner in the video with Deadliest Lifter, he looked pretty damn little today.

That's for shit. Like three or four inches shorter than the guy. But yeah, what is there not? to say about Bassonomics, like from the apparel that they've dropped, awesome apparel, they're drink spotters, they're doing awesome jobs there. They've created this awesome community of like-minded people through the Discord. And look, there is not another community like the one they've created in the strength realm. And for just $3 a month. And all that is, you can not get one energy drink a month. Take that $3. go on Mastinomics website, get signed up for their supporting membership. And it's basically Perk City. So you get access to early drops. You get to listen to the podcast live each week.

You get in the Discord of awesome people and be able to get involved with things like this. And occasionally you'll get a free gift. So actually they got a free gift coming up. I think Tanner referred to it as May 20th. as the line in the sand. So you're going to want to get on the right side of history on this. Get signed up before May 20th and get in on the community. I love that.

I love when people during the ad reads, just throughout the episode, they always put like a, they break it down how much it actually would cost. So like, we had the 10 cents a day recently and now it's an energy drink a month. Like, it's to put it to intangible terms of like,

that's all we have to pay to get this. Like that's just, it's kind of, it's a no brain. Yeah, yeah, it's an operator. You get all these, you know, you get, you know, the majority of good, good, like-minded people. Well, what do you think? We kick all these lucky lose out. They, you know, glad they were here. Who we actually do have some?

Who do we got? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys got to go. All right. Big Love ladies. That you, buddy. Yeah, man. Happy to be here.

Hey, welcome to the unpaid, underrated podcast. Good to have you. Let's go ahead and get it out of the way because I know there's like seven of you. down there in Alabama and it's hard to keep them all straight. So who are you? Where are we going to find you at? All right. So I'm Hayden, Love Lady. I've got two brothers that's involved their co-owners of the gym as well. So there's some other Love Ladies you'll see in the Discord. You can find me on Instagram at Lovelady underscore 71. You can find me at my gym MissFit Sparbo Club down in North Alabama. So yeah.

Love it. Good to hear. Good to hear. All right. Well, you're a name that I've seen around for a long time. You know, I'm going to assume you've been here a minute. So let's just hear that whole massonomics origin story. Where'd you find them? The podcast, YouTube, Instagram. Why you still here? Yeah.

So I'm going to go on a rant here. And I like to ramble. So tell me to shut up whenever I need to. Go ahead. As long as I'm going by 9 o'clock, 930. We're good. Back in 2020, my brothers and I decided to go to the Arnold. That wasn't the Arnold.

We went down to a gym that Joe Sullivan owned at the time for the performance. Yeah, I remember that, seeing that on YouTube and Instagram. Yeah, so we were there. We sing the Masonomics banners and flags. Everybody's rocking Masonomic shirts. We actually met Jonathan Oldham down there, had no idea who he was at the time, and kind of chatted it up with him. So obviously on the way back, went ahead and purchased a bunch of methodomic stuff,

and then actually started listening to the podcast in 2020 right around April. I went back to look. I think it was episode 210 was the first one I listened to. They were talking about when Thor broke Eddie Hall's deadlift record. And then joined Discord in February of 2022. Well, it took you a bit, but we got our claws in you. Yeah, yeah. Actually, I think you might have been, you might have been.

me on that. I don't know somewhere. About the same. No, that's good. That's good. How was that? So were you guys already on the way to the Arnold when you were like, oh, it's closed? Or was it just like, man, we already got time off work. Let's just go and see what happens.

Yeah, so it was the night before we left is when they announced it. And we had already taken off work, already had the hotel and that sort of stuff. Oh, yeah. If you can get the hotel back, then, yeah, I guess at that point, you're just going to make it. Yeah. And that was literally probably right before like stuff started shutting down. I mean, yeah, yeah. It had shut down, but I meant like it was probably that cuss of like, oh, this will blow over kind of thing.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that was, I do remember that super spreader of meat they had there. All right. So, so North Alabama, is that, is that always been home or is that just home now? Oh, yeah. It's always been, always been home. Moulton, Alabama, a little town of 3,600 people. Wow.

how many of them do you know by name? Probably at least half. All right. One piece of Massonomics merch you wish you had bought. Now, you've been around a long time, so it's not like you missed a lot. But if there was one that you missed out that you think, I'm not going to want that and then changed your mind a little later.

Which one's at? The swim hands. No, no, no. I love you, buddy. the original buddy uh yeah buddy shirt the original

the non-blurred yeah yeah yeah it's one I definitely missed out on it's a good one that's a popular answer for sure so what the end around long enough there even tracking that hall

I mean I've seen you a bunch of places I haven't seen you in South Dakota but I've seen you know at the Arnold a bunch and did you ever make it to home gymcon no we're actually so the this past Arnold, I had to skip out on with the birth of my daughter. Oh, yeah, yeah.

So the plan is to go to Home GymCon in place of it this year. Nice, nice, nice, nice. Okay, so but circleing back though. I started that before I got side. I sidetracked myself there. Hall of Fame status. Where do you think you're at? I'm at.

I've got 10. Biggest thing, if I could make it down to Aberdeen, that would not. That would give me past 12 for sure. Yeah. I mean, hell, so this year alone, but I mean, if you do home gymcon, that's 11. So what's another easy one if you don't do lift harder? Is lift hard to live easy? You pretty much almost have to do lift harder crew falls because that's like, that's like four.

Yeah. Wouldn't it? Getting my voice on the mathematics podcast. Oh, that's a big one. How have you know? Do you go to bed at eight o'clock at night or something? How do you miss? No, no.

Especially being in, you're in there, you know, you're an easier time zone too. So it's, I can see how. funny so funny enough some of their call-in episodes i've missed it twice now i wake up with a miss call from everdeen oh no a lot of that too is people don't uh if if you think there's a call coming you got to go in and turn your phone you got to like uh you know turn it off of do not deserve mode before you go to yeah assuming you want to answer okay so and the last couple times they've done those they've they've catered to people that need to get the point so you play your cards right, you could theoretically get your cup this year.

Yes, for sure. If you do, uh, if you get, if you get a call in before home gym con, which I mean, that's a couple months. So that might be tight, but, because that would be cool to be able to get your cup in person. Yeah. And, uh, in July at home gymcon, but, you know, it sounds like you're on the road to get in there. But yeah, yeah, I highly recommend coming out to Sioux Falls and or Aberdeen, but we do understand

that that's a, uh, it's a journey. And you, you like to drive. You don't like to fly anywhere, right? So that's, that'd be a little bit longer of a truck. Yeah, never say never, but lift hard, live easy would definitely be on the bucket list of meats to do. Yep. Yeah, and that would bang out two at least, right? Crew Falls would be one, but if you headed down there, that'd be three at least, right? And then lift at, yeah.

Yeah, it's just, is it lift at and then the gym, or is there one I'm missed, like, it's not. Attend lift hard living in two. attend, compete, and then there's lift in the gym. Was there, so it's three or my,

okay. Yeah. Good deal. Do you get a, well, you said you lost your supportive membership numbers. You're not sure what that is,

right? Yeah, of course. But Ballpark 2020, you're going to be sub 100 at that point or yeah, yeah,

probably are sub 100 by now, even if you weren't to begin with. That would be fair. And then, you know, misfit barbell. That is a, you are a certified training facility, I'm guessing, and you are a private studio gym?

No, it's a small public gym. Going back to a certified training facility, we're on the first 50. We like to say that. Oh, gee. Yeah, it's a small public facility that we have here. We have about 30 lifters, and I would say about 20 of them compete competitively in powerlifting. Oh, that's awesome. you guys do like a like a key card 24-7 thing where you don't have to have anyone staff there

yeah yeah that's yeah you almost that's good and that's something you and you and your brothers are all in business and together or is it just kind of nice yeah so kind of relating it back to the 2020 story it's actually we'd always kind of daydreamed about owning a him and then on the way back from the the Arnold that wasn't the Arnold in 2020 we kind of talked we said this is definitely something we've got to look into and uh with in a week from getting back, we actually assigned the lease to misfits. Nice. So is the gym more of necessity because you are in such a small town and you got tired

to drive and a half hour to a real gym? Or was there just like a shitty globo gym that you kind of got kicked out of for deadlifting too much? Well, prior to that, we were kind of just getting into powerlifting, but we were doing it at a commercial gym here in town that didn't cater to powerlifting at all. So we decided to open that up and we said, look, if nothing, else because we've got a really good deal on it. So if nothing else, we'll have a place to train ourselves.

Yeah. Nice. Who has the profile on Jim Radar for Miss Fitz? That would be me. Nice. Nice. Are you the most, I mean, you're the one I think I've talked. I think I've met your brothers or at least because I was two years ago.

Yeah. Yeah. You seem to be, are you the more outgoing or just the more like in the massonomics? Or you said they're both crew too, though? Yeah. I believe, I know one for sure. I believe both of them are, but yes and no, kind of depend on the situation. Definitely with massonomics, I would say I'm more into it than they are.

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's, well, that's what we're here to talk about. So that sounds like an answer for me. All right. Well, outside of that one butthead that thought he'd be funny and give a fake name and a bunch of stupid information, what was it? Oh, geez. My cock small or something stupid like that.

And, like, it was so annoyed that, like, I didn't even see that it was a fake dick name. So, like, I, like, I actually screenshot it. And I was like, go ahead and, I was like, hey, and tell your asshole buddy that he literally did nothing, didn't do his any favors. Because, like, every freaking answer or something stupid. And then you were like, I don't even know who that is. And I was just like, how do, what do you mean? You don't know who it is. And then, like, I look at the name.

And I'm like, actually, I got to look it up because it was so. It's hilarious. Yeah, it's definitely got to be one of the guys at the gym. It was Mike Oxmoal. like OXMAL, so Mike Coxmole, family friend in parentheses. I'm like, you son of a bit. It was just, so like that's almost funny, but it's still just a waste of time. Because it's like six minutes of my time was wasted today, like pulling that out of the notes.

And I don't know. It was just, we range about it all the time. But like, you got suck when you do that. I literally, I saw like all the answers that guy submitted and was like, we can just delete this. Yeah. Like every answer that guy put in. Just I wish, I wish the notes were that easy because I can't like, oh, no. No, I know.

I hope. Actually, Nate, you're listening, figure out a way for me to like delete everything someone submitted prior to copying because that would be helpful. All right. But for the people that you did actually reach out to that gave competent answers, how did, how was that journey? Because I think I had to I'd reach out to you last week when you had like two people, you know, submitted as of like a couple days before the episode. It's like, hey, you might want to get on this, chief. Uh, like, how did I explain it to them? Yeah. Or, you know, yeah. So the guys from the gym and my

brothers, they know about Masonomics. I basically said it's Masonomics adjacent podcast. And then my parents, of course, not in the Masonomics realm. I'm going on this podcast. Answer these questions for me. I think your dad gave me like three words total in his responses. Somehow there's a spread between four different answers. I'm exact, but it was pretty, but to his, to his credit, he didn't do the Cardinal sin of just continuously writing, I don't have anything for this. I don't know, nothing.

And then all that copies and paste into our doc that then I have to go delete because it's a waste of time rather than moving a blank. So, I know, I want a little bit of a rant tonight, but such is life. All right. Well, are you familiar with this game

that Tanner came up with all by himself called Lease Fun, Most Fun, adjacent? Yes. So we're going to give you a single topic. We can get big Hayden Love Lady here. One topic, and he has to basically tell me the worst thing about it and the best thing. But I like to call it least fun most fun.

I like this one. If this isn't, if this is inaccurate information, I got to back up, but hopefully it's right. So least fun, most fun, coaching middle school football. Oh, man. I could go on a rant. Yeah. You want to lead in with just how long you've been doing it, though, too, just for something like that's right?

So this is year six of coaching middle school boys. Is that six through eight now, or is that just seven and eight? Seven and eight. And most fun, man, is. the the kids themselves are fun to be around. They keep me young and that sort of stuff. The least fun, everybody's going to know it. It's the parents.

It's the parents. I can't imagine. And you've been in it long enough. You've probably had like the same parents a few times with like, siblings and stuff. Yeah. You see the last name. There's this asshole that we know.

She's the crazy lady that's going to, you know, want to fight me every game for not, you know, not putting Johnny in. enough snaps. Exactly. I love playing. Middle school football was like, that's, once you get to high school,

it almost become, I mean, it's still fun, but it's like, it's more competitive, obviously, because it's like, at least where I was from,

there was like four, three theater middle schools, uh, whereas middle school just had like, I mean, I guess there were still elementary school feeders, but it's different because no one was playing football

in elementary unless that pop Warner and stuff. But, uh, middle school football was so much fun. And it was like, so I have some of my more fun memories in middle school than I ever did in, like high school. Oh,

yeah, as a coach. and what level? Like are you the head coach? You as assistant coach? Yeah. Yeah. Head coached for the last six years. So prior to that, I coached three years as an assistant with varsity, but went down to middle school and have it loved it so far. That's awesome, man. That's awesome. Do you carry over the same kind of schemes every year just for the simplicity? Or you kind of cater into your, I mean, because you have to cater to your roster to some extent, too. Yeah, for sure. For sure. We changed it up a little bit. We tried to run like a water. down version of what our varsity does. That helps for sure. Yeah. That's good. When I was playing, that's what they, they, they, they, it's, they did that a little bit,

but I think they, then they got away from it. So then, but then I, like, I still follow a lot of the, you know, the, like, any social media of, like, old football teams and stuff I'm not on in there. They're always talking about how, like, they, now the new head coach of the varsity team is, like, hands on with the feeder middle schools and stuff and trying to get them to run, like, the same like, you know, you know, power, whatever, you know, I can't remember with the whole thing off.

So, that's pretty cool. I like to hear that. That's good stuff. What you got for him. You know, actually, I want to take a part, take a moment here and say that I did the garage gym competition. And you know what they put in their questionnaire?

A lot. It's like, that's the least, that is, you know, garage gym competition, least fun, most fun. Least fun is a goddamn questionnaire, Joe. But he's doing it for free, and I'm sure he's, like, doing something with that data to, like, it was going to be selling it probably. I don't know. But God damn, it's, it is a 15-minute submission scenario. Yeah, they actually put, uh, who would you train with?

I did see that. Yeah. Oh, that's familiar. Yeah. I put, uh, I think I put my grandpa because he never, uh, watched me lift or knew me when I was like in the sports, like athletics. Yeah, but so I'm going to go with hype person on this one just to stick it to garage gym. you're going for a big lift you've got one chance to have any person you know fictional living or dead to hype you up before that lift who you're picking

ooh that's a good one um let's go wwee here let's go uh dewind the rog johnson for hot man yeah let's go cut a good promo right before the lift yeah i bet he would be a good i bet he would be good i would say like that giff him yelling focus. I love when he did that. I would say, do you mean, like, the human or the actor? No, no. But it's all the same person.

Yeah, the persona. Yeah, it's so similar. I mean, I guess he, you know, I just remember Rocky My Via when, you know, from like the mid and late 90s when he was just a baby. So, like, that was my first, like, in my head. A lot of times, like, I still think of him as that because that's when I knew him. It's like a 12-year-old. With the blue stripes and always smiling.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. So you're a middle school football coach. What else do you do for a living? Is as much or as little as you want to talk about it? Oh, yeah, let's go for it. So a little bit of everything. So my day job, I'm a middle school PE teacher. I like to say I play dodgeball and walk the track for fun and get paid for it. So I did that for my day job. I coach middle school football. I run the gym, started coaching some guys here recently through our new uh my new coaching busy dad's coaching um other than that

family man and spending time with the kiddos nice and you just you just recently had was that your first you just had or was that one of uh that is number two so i've got a two year old boy little toddler he's a uh hailing but i love it nice nice got a lot of we have a lot of uh key teachers in the crew i feel that's pretty cool Yeah, that's a good point. It's like, uh, maybe it's just that we had like a couple recently.

Maybe there's been three total and it's just been in the last month. I don't know. But do we have more for Zed teachers and more bassists. Like what do we? Are you, are you, are you a basis, Hayden?

No, no, no, no, okay. Well, there was a 50-50 chance you would have been. At this rate.

So I'm assuming your last name is, is it a love lady or is that a, yeah, okay. So, so, um, your brothers don't call,

that, then I'm guessing, since that's their last name, too. No, no, no. They just refer to me as Hayden. There you go. Okay. Well, we call you big love lady because you're the, you're the most invested crew from Alabama. And the biggest. Oh, yeah. So being, so you're the, so you guys are the Alabama contingent then, right? Is that what they, uh, they used to reference? So, um, I guess now we are. Um, I wouldn't say in the early stages of Masonomics. It would be more a big John and his crew down

in Birmingham. But I would say here recently, yeah. Nice. Okay. I didn't know. I didn't know the whole history there. So any other crew then? Because who else is down there? I'm just the wrestler kid. I can't think of his dad. Turner.

Austin. Yeah. Somewhere near you. He's about a two, two and a half hour drive from me. So he came to misfits a few years ago. It came to visit. but yeah nice so then you at least get your I'm sure you get your well actually the funny thing for you that your easiest checkmark is get a get a picture with a crew member you're you know

if you've related a couple of them that's got to be pretty easy oh yeah oh yeah I don't know if that's cheating or not yeah I mean I don't care I'll allow it but like yeah so it says that you started um you were running during college And that's what started your lifting journey. Why don't you give us some history on that? Man, so I haven't ran in forever. But right, so we did lift, me and my brothers lifted in high school with the football team and that sort of stuff. But as we got into college, we got into more running for whatever reason.

And actually we done a, right when like David Goggins started getting popular, we decided we would do a 24, hour race around the one mile track. And I think we ended the 24 hours at around 42, 43 miles. We had no business running it. We didn't really train for it. And that just about retired me from running. Yeah, that would do it. That sounds awful.

Did you sleep? No, no, no. Yeah, no, that sounds awful. Okay. Yeah, would not recommend it. And then that got you into lifting, lifting. Yeah, yeah, so transition from that into basically your bro lifting, just going to the gym and hitting your bro split. And then a year or two into that kind of transition into power lifting.

Any competitions into your belt? Yeah, actually the first, so I say we've transitioned into powerlifting. My first two real competitions were strongman competitions. Yeah. Yeah, and then after that, kind of moved into powerlifting and have competed six times, I believe, six or seven. Nice. Does Misfits being a, like, you know, the premier strength facility in your town cater to Power to Strongman at all? Because, I mean, that's kind of a whole different sub-genre of equipment and, like, mindset of lifters.

Yeah, no. So when we started the place, it was basically half strongman, half power lifting. and we still have a ton of strong men stuff. And we have a bunch of guys from around surrounding towns, strong men that train there as well. Oh, dope. That's cool. That's got to be.

You almost have the market cornered for like, you know, that niche sport. But as long as you can pay rent and, you know, make money to buy some new equipment every now and then you're probably happy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So funny story. All the money that goes into it because we still have our day jobs

just goes into buying new equipment. So kind of like Masonomics. We just get free equipment, basically. That's good stuff. Do you do a lot of, like, more upgrades or do you have enough space to just keep plugging shit in there? So up until recently, we've just been plugging stuff in. And then in the last six months or so, we've just been upgrading. Nice.

I love a good upgrade. That's, that's there. I mean, it's almost when you know, you've like, oh, I've kind of got a nice place where I can afford to spend $1,000 to upgrade something that's like 7% better. Yeah, for sure. Who coined to misfits? It's actually Wheeler, which is my middle brother, just kind of brainstorming some names. And he came up with it and it stuck. I mean, there's a lot here, but it's like, there's not a lot of segways.

Yeah. Does that make sense? Like, how do we, how do we segue into this? So mowing the grass you don't like, huh? You have to actually do the maintenance at the gym? in or is the landlord take care of it? Actually, so like, I mean, I could, like, there's got to be, like, so you've had the gym for, you know, four or five years, whatever it is. There's got to be some horror stories, like the, the shittiest thing you've had to deal with as a tenant slash,

you know, it depends on. I know you said you got a good deal. Does that means because your landlord's hands off and doesn't do anything and you've got to prepare everything yourself. Okay. Yeah, pretty much hands off. Uh, okay. Horror stories is definitely the toilet. I know, I know that's what we hear. That's what we hear. That's everybody, yeah. Uh, man, it. It gives us issues once a quarter, for sure. Because assholes flush baby wipes down it. Like, it's going to not be a problem. And it's a problem.

Yes, for sure. Revoking memberships. That's hard, though. You have to have a camera on the outside of the doors to be like, which one of these assholes did it? Exactly. Have you ever had to kick anybody out or anything? Anybody that just caused drama and you just couldn't deal with it?

No, luckily, all of our members that we've had have been, awesome people. So not yet. But it didn't pretty much no motivation to do anything with a home gym considering, well, how far is misfits from your house? Five, ten minutes. So yeah. So there's no, no reason to really. No, if misfits wasn't there for sure, a home gym, but it'd be 10 minutes down the road. Yeah. Not really. Makes sense.

How ballpark? How old are you? I always like to know how long. Sometimes I can't tell. It's like, is this got 27 or is he 34? 28. Oh, yeah, I was right on. Take it. Yeah, so funny, funny enough, I'm 28. My older brother, my middle brother is about 29, and my oldest brother is 30, 31, somewhere in there.

Wow, your parents wasted no time in between. Three kids and four years, yeah. Oh, my, that's three. It's almost three under three. crazy. Wow. So you had a huge weight loss. Somebody who's going through that,

not a huge one, but going through a bit of a weight loss right now. What happened is, was that on purpose? How'd you do that? Yeah. Yeah. So after we had my son in 2023,

wanting to spend more time with them, I kind of got lazy with my nutrition like a lot of us to do. And kind of, I still trained, but I didn't train. Looking back, I didn't train near as significantly as I should have been. And I got up to like 280-ish pounds and didn't like the way I looked and didn't like the way I felt and didn't really like how the example I was setting for my son.

So decided to go on a little weight loss journey and shout out to a macro factor. You can use a discount code, massanomics discount code with them. But using that, locking in my nutrition, kind of finding weight. to still train hard, do the things I need to do, but also not take away time from my family. Kind of found a system that worked and now setting it around 200 pounds. And what's really like I'm most proud of is I always fell under the idea that I needed to be heavier to lift the most amount of weight that I could. But I'm actually lifting heavier now than I was at 280.

So the idea really that you need to be heavy to lift heavy is not always the case. Oh, 100%. Yeah. I'm not this heavy because I think I'm going to be strong. I'm just, you know, that's just where I am in life right now. But I would be, you know, equivalently as stronger if I lost 50 pounds because I, the 50 pounds of muscle that you weren't holding another 50 pounds of muscle when you lost your weight. And I'm not either.

So I feel that. I can relate. But that's for Alabama. Alabama football, huh? That's the team down there. There's no big... Absolutely. Sometimes it's like how many...

Some of the colleges, I'm like, what state are they in? It's like, so what are the other big, like, in state schools? You've got Alabama and Auburn, and that's about it. Yeah, that's kind of one of the rivalry is the way it is. So Auburn's the one with a tree and the Alabama guy fucking killed the tree. A couple of, you know, well, probably a decade ago now, but I do remember... Yeah. So then, uh, were you...

a big Nick, Nick Saban fan then, because he got you guys about a half dozen Natty's there. Oh, yeah. Always, always. So when I first got into actually watching college football, his right when Sabin came in. So basically, up until

a few years ago, my entire knowledge of Alabama football was wrapped around him. And then, who's the guy now? Kaelin DeBore. Yeah, yeah. Because he's the one from, he didn't he have South Dakota of ties or something if I recall.

Yeah, so he was at Cape, think of the college, but I think he was right around Aberdeen, somewhere in there. That's wild. Small world. Oh. I want to ask about your first trip to the Arnold and what the bars you were eating did

to you. Oh, man. That's a good story. So we were still like new to the whole nutrition thing. So we thought, we were doing good by getting a bunch of these

low sugar or alternative sugar protein bars and stuff like that that had a ton of sugar alcohols in them. And that car that we drove to the Arnold that first year is still not aired out from that. Three love ladies shit in their pants the whole way. Every one of us.

That's hysterical. So definitely stay away from the sugar alcohols. Yeah, there's a lot of. time in place for real sugar. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Sugar. So no, no desire to get back into Strongman. Just do you like the, just the kind of the nuts and the bolts of power lifting and how it's just more, I do this linear progression. I get stronger. I restart it and do it again. And I don't have to, I can just do three lifts with some accessories and I'm happy. You know, honestly, I love Strongman during my time in it. The biggest issue is there's not a ton of Strongman competitions.

close by. So you're looking at like a three to four hour drive to the closest one. Yeah, unless I get it. Now, that being said, if one popped up within a hour, two hours, I would definitely be interested in doing it because like I said, I may have had more fun at the strongman competition that I've done than my power lifting meets that I've competed in. Yeah, I guess, I mean, I do know how lucky I am,

but like hearing that like that, it's like, like, I'm so lucky to have like four strong man promoters within an hour of me so that's uh we'll call it two hours at the most but yeah for sure the uh strong man competition that i done was in jackson mississippi so we get a funny story there we woke up at 3 a.m. that morning drove six hours to jackson mississippi competed in it uh finished up around 10 o'clock that night and made the drive back

home jee what the fuck did it go to 10 o'clock at night for was it like a national thing that's no excuse It was extremely slow and a ton of competitors. That's just, that's poor form. I would have, I would have went home, dude. Like, there's no way. I'd have been like, I would have been DNF the last two events. Like, I can fucking stick in an old 10 p.m. at night for nothing.

Exactly. That's wild. That's crazy. Yeah, that sounds like you need to host a strongman show at your place then, it looks like. Man, honestly, if we had the space, for sure, Strongman competition. and powerlifting meat. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of the thing. You just do it in the parking lot or see if there's like a high school.

I mean, you could probably run in the damn middle school, but it's in this you have a million. Yeah, that's what it was. You have a million mats to not break the floor. It's kind of the tricky part. Yeah, it would come down to a rip and out of space close by. So is the wife supportive of you and all your extracurricular with, I'm sure coaching doesn't take up a smaller,

or, you know, takes up more than a small amount of time. The lifting aspect of it itself, now that you're getting into little of the coaching and stuff, is, uh, hours in the day, I imagine. I'm super blessed in that regard. And my wife is super supportive and really blessed to have her in my corner.

Nice. Maybe I'll get some brownie points for that. Yeah, there you go. She will, hopefully she listens. We always like it when they listen. It makes our, it just makes it feel better. So you still actively listening to the podcast every week.

So being around for the last six years, did you like the, as far as Masonomics goes, were you a bigger fan of like the interviews, or if you liked how they've kind of morphed into just shooting the shit? And, you know, now they're morphed in the home gym equipment. Like, where's your taste lie? I do like the occasional guess, but I kind of like the setup they have now.

And I really enjoy the home gym stuff as a gym owner myself, like seeing the different equipment and that sort of stuff. Really enjoying seeing that. So then were you an early adopter of Jim Radar when that went live to everybody? Yes. So I got on there when they dropped it in Discord before it went actually public. And then have you used that at all for any of your purchasing? Oh, yeah.

Do you think you will in the future, too? Yeah, so the newest piece of equipment we got is a peg deck and actually got on there and found a guy that had it in his gym, kind of conversed back and forth with him, seeing how he liked it, his likes and dislikes and ended up making that purchase. So that was a nice perk of being in on gym radar. Nice. What brand was that out of curiosity? I believe it's peak strength, peak strength equipment.

It's a newer brand, I think, out of Shirek. Chicago. Oh, cool. Yeah, I'm not familiar. Yeah. I don't know who the gym rated our guys are, but they're doing a great job. Yeah, whoever those are, whoever those guys are behind the... Whoever those handsome devils are. We're not sure. So what do you do for training? Are you, uh, someone has submitted that you use chat GPT, but I don't know if I believe that. No, no, as far as my training or training the other guy? Uh, well, either or honestly, like, what is your philosophy and then what do you do for yourself and what do you do for your guys? So myself, I've been running Juggernaut for a year and a half now. I actually ran it one time previous and didn't enjoy it, but also didn't give it a lot of time to actually work.

So now that I've been in it a year and a half, and especially for the price, you're not going to beat it. It's a great, great tool to have. And then for my guys, I kind of run almost like a Chadwick. Wesley Smith taught that kind of philosophy, so kind of juggernaut-esque philosophy with those guys as well. Nice. Yeah, I can confirm. I think I used a juggernaut for about a year, maybe a year and a half. And I remember doing the check-in and it just giving me some deadlift that I just thought, no.

There's no way that's going up for that many reps. But I put my faith in the Chad bot and it went up. and it was I can almost I can't remember the date or anything but I think I took a picture and it actually hangs right over here because I think I was filming it at the time

and I think it was the first time I did 365 for like five reps which I said was like that's what I want to do and I did it and like the picture is just me on my knees looking completely astounded I pulled it off and that's what Juggernaut

like I've been on it since So I think I'm going on four years on Juggernaut, to be honest with you. Like three, maybe three. Yeah, I mean, it's phenomenal. It's actually the training that I used running into my last power lifted meet and hit the biggest numbers I have at the lowest body weight I've ever been. So it definitely works. I keep saying, I'm going to cancel it.

I'm going to cancel it. And then it's just the one thing that I just, I don't. I can't cancel because it gets me in there. It reminds me I got to go today and all of those things. but also like it just works. It does. Is there a skiing story? The way it's worded, it doesn't make any sense.

Is there a story about skiing? And I don't know if that means. I swear if this is dead jokes. I was living between two dudes and going skiing. Some weird sex thing. I don't know. What's what we got? No, we actually went on a vacation, family vacation.

Shoot, I don't, maybe close to 10 years ago. go. We went skiing. Of course, some super uncoordinated, so it didn't go great. I decided I was going to do one last ski down the hill and absolutely busted it on a piece of ice and destroyed my knee, and it ballooned up to a basketball size. Oh, yeah, it was fun times. Like, well, not fun, but learning experience for sure. But that being

said, I've not skied since. I wouldn't either. Well, I mean, that's got to be really, hard because Alabama is really known for its skiing. So, I mean, you have to drive by all these nice resorts every week that you would want to go ski in. Yeah, Alabama, well known for it skiing, yeah. Oh, for sure. No, that was up in Gatlinburg, Tennessee.

Okay. I'm just at, I'm fixing notes here as we go. Yeah, I'm all out of sorts. I don't know if it made it, but, yeah, I was, I was bang asleep until 6.59. It was, it was awful. And I burned my mouth on the pizza. Like, it's been a weird afternoon. Burned my mouth on the pizza.

Morgan says, like, I thought you were in the washroom. And then it was half an hour later and you still earned back. Did he go to bed? Did I tell my Costco's pizza story on here? I think I was just in the group chat. It was, uh, so we went to Costco a couple weeks ago. And I had never put in an order for like the full like $9.99 pizza. And I was like, we can't not do that.

We got to try it once. because like we were starving and we didn't want to spend like money. We didn't want to like have an expensive dinner. We already had to go to Costco anyway, which was going to cost several hundred dollars. So nonetheless went in, walked over, put the order in in the kiosk, whatever. They said like, hey, ask how long it'll be. And I'm like, there's the guy. I stared at the guy for two minutes and like try to get his attention.

He just ignored me. So it's like, whatever. We're going to be here for at least a half hour. I think they can make a pizza and a half hour. Do all our shopping. Probably even went 40 minutes to order shopping somewhere in that room. Go over. I'm like, hey, you know, is that pizza ready?

like, oh no, it was going to be like another 25 minutes, half hour. Like, fuck. So loaded all the groceries, came back in, waited another 10 minutes or so when I was finally ready. But it was just like, I never waited a fucking hour for a goddamn Costco pizza before. It was crazy. I've always just got a slice and it's like ready in like 30 seconds. But put a whole pizza in, be ready to wait because dang, but it was pretty good.

Any Costco's near you, Hayden? No, we actually have Sam's Club. Sam's Club is basically Costco and Jason. Yeah, yeah. Same owners. Yeah. Do you want to move into some games there, Keith? Yeah.

Are you familiar with FMK? You got a F1, you got a merry one, you got to kill one. Pretty simple. Yeah, for sure. Let's try. Let's see. I'm going to go with lifts. So do a little pressing FMK.

So you're just your standard competition bench press, incline bench, or overhead press. FMK, standard bench, incline bench, overhead press. And all the... I would allow any variation of barbells and, you know, dumbbells. But those are like the three meat and potatoes. Yeah, earthquake bar, all of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just tsunami, tsunami your butt. Let's go. We're going to marry the bench. Simple enough. You can't be a power lifter and not bench, right? So we're going to try. You can be a dead love specialist. I still wish squat only was an event because I wouldn't mind going in.

squatting a PR and going home. A funny story. So the, the, sorry, that's your suggestion. You're good. I'm going to catch you.

Because I had, I had a buddy that I see so many friends, their store, their power lifting meat, uh, story, how they escalate of, just squatted a 575 PR,

first squat PR in 10 years. Next slide, bombed out on bench, doing deadlift only now. And I'm like, you fuck. Like, why?

So, so, squat only in some of these guys' cases wouldn't be the worst, but some days... I see me, I'm just picturing it, like, you show up to the event. I'm sorry to interrupt you there, Hayden. Oh, you're good.

I'm sorry to do it, but I did it. But, like, you show up and you're like, you just bang out your first squat, bang out your second, then your third, then you're like, okay, bye. Like, I'm not waiting around for all this other shit. I can be home at like 945 a.m., that'll be awesome.

Yeah. Your reasoning made more sense than mine. mine because mine was the grumpy reasoning that I just don't want to fucking be here all day. It just took me back to the meat didn't go as planned because I was like the guy was so proud in his post of how his story of like, you know, he worked so hard to build back after like a knee surgery. They hit a PR and then fucking bombed on bench. I'm like, you dumb shit.

You know, bomb on bench press. So you said, yeah, Mary Bench. Yep. Yes. Let's go ahead and kill off the Incon Press. Adaboy. And we will F the overhead press. Nice.

And if you had to pick your top couple of overhead press variations, you can get a Cadillac bar, log axle, dumbbells, let me go straight barbell. Let's go top three here. Let's go three. Earthquake bar overhead press. You ever tried it? I have.

Tsunami bar S. I've done the tsunami a little bit. So that's just, you're taking that just for the instability training and like just the trisade. up annihilation you're going to get for sure. Yes, for sure, for sure. Number two, let's go your basic barbell overhead,

build a bunch of strength there. But number one, log press, super fun. You can't beat it. No, that's a good one. Did you see that, like, I know I posted a lot of pictures of my cats, but Stephanie, she's on vacation right now. She's just on a staycation to treat herself. And so she was downstairs working out in the gym

at like 6 o'clock this morning and texting me, my two cats crawled into my damn log. Well, one of them was in the log. The other one was right outside the log. But it was the cutest damn thing I've ever seen. Because I had changed where I stored my log. So it just happened to be right where she was at, like holes up.

And like the one cat was just laying inside of it with her head poking out. And I was just, I'm a sucker for when my cats are in the gym. Just it makes the best thing. That's a perfect spot for them. Yeah. It's just a couple of my favorite things ever. And when they're just, you know,

world's colliding. So sorry to cut you off there. But I just had to. Oh, you're good. Shout out the girls. Good answers. I would agree with a lot of that. I personally would put overhead press well above bench any more days.

But actually, I think I'd probably bury bench very last because I just, I'd even incline. I could get more enjoyment out of than flat bench at this point. But someday I got to get back and so I got to keep it. With all the overhead I'm doing, I actually currently wonder if my overhead is stronger than my bench, which is wild. That would be impressive. Yeah. I mean, you're talking about a push-press variation. It could be, like, close-ish.

But it shouldn't be flips it. I did, I did a shitty bench last week and then did some overhead press this week and was just like, that felt better than the bench did. Like, that's not good. I am going to actually ask an FMK. I do have a Mount Rushmore for you as well. Not including the stupid one that your top four steroids. Like, what's your melt-Rour? wish more of steroids. Yeah, whoever this guy

was, just let him know. Yeah, do me a favor. If you coach him, just give him 10 by 10s. Like, just fuck with him or something. Whoever did that. They're a douche. Yeah, I want to say, because this one's never come up.

FMK, Tommy, Tanner, Huck Finn. Oh, that's a great one. It is. I was like, shit. I wish somebody asked me that one. Man. Oh, we're going to hurt some feelings here. Yeah.

I wouldn't have asked that, but. No, you can back out of you. I just thought it was funny. No, no. No, we've never back out. We're never going to back out. Let's do this. Let's go ahead and F.

Huck Finn. He seems like a good time. Oh, no. Who are you going to kill? Let's, uh. He really, like, Tommy. All right. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, boys. Let's marry. let's marry Tanner. I'm sorry Tommy. Sorry Tommy. For being on this podcast and knowing how many episodes Tommy's listened to, I think this might be the right answer for this specific podcast. Not in the whole world because Tanner and Tommy greater than Huck Finn by a billion.

But like, and Huck Finn's been on this podcast. Tommy has two, but I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I actually like fully would have. respected you for being like, I'm not answering that. I just thought it was funny somebody submitted it because that was actually, like that's

hilarious. Maybe, uh, yeah, maybe Tommy don't kill me for that one. Hey, well, Bernie listens to more episodes than Tommy, so he won't hear. Now, if it was Bernie, it might be a different scenario. Yeah, that might change things. Bernie's my wife's favorite part of the episode. The talking dog.

Um, I, I, I mean, I've asked it a million times. but it came up so many times. Before you get into that, I want to say, I got a, I got a segue way about the talking dog thing. Like, someone had commented how, like, I made it, like, hey, I'm not going to pet a dog that can talk with that permission. And everyone kind of, like, laughed at that or whatever. I'm like, I still stand by that. Like, if you are a magical creature of some sort and have sentience, consciousness, conscience, whatever the fact. Conscience.

Yeah, yeah. your conscientious and uh like don't be touching that thing without like because that's i don't that reminds me of like the mike tyson when he when he picked up the grown man that looked like a child and kissed him on the forehead or whatever like that's similar to that like you're you're crossing lines when something has the ability to think and talk and i think i i agree with you but i think that's that like honestly that's not enough i actually never pet a dog without permission uh first you ask the owner is it okay i'm teaching my kids to make sure they ask because they They're just like dog and they go bound and forward.

Yeah. So, a lot of, a lot of, a lot of dog owners are shit. Like, even I'll say like, can I pet them? And then you ask, like, you don't ask the dog in words because the dog doesn't speak your language. The dog, I think most dogs speak German I heard. Um, so you just have to be like, at least the shepherds. You put your hand out. You get permission from the dog, right?

You don't just like put your hands on a random dog, conscious or not. You guys all did last week. I didn't. I did not. Uh-huh. All of you. Anyway, so. All of you.

Okay. So, yeah, Mount Rushmore of wrestlers came up, but I need a way to spin this. So I want to know your Mount Rushmore of NWO member. That is like 99% of wrestlers. So you dudes were in NWO. Of course, Hogan. Put him up there. Mm-hmm.

Oh. Let's go. Man, I'm drawing blanks here. NWO was like early, early. Give me some options. It said you're big in the attitude area. Well, let's Lugar is later. Scott Steiner.

You said NWO encompassed like a six-year span of like 67 people. Faced eight. Buff Bagwell. Holy, the big show twice. The big show and all of his healed her. Conan. Well, Conan was NWO red. So are we counting Wolfpack?

They were still all in NW. Everyone wore black and white at one point, I'd feel. Because at one point, there was the one episode. No, Sting was the one episode. Sting was never NWO. Sting was Wolfpack. There was the one episode where they joined forces, and it was NWOWFAC and NWFEC.

NW. Well, the one guy, but the other 80 were NWO. Because I remember being, because I was team Wolfpack, and I remember the night that they went back to NWFAC, black and white. I was like, fuck, all my shirts are useless now. But this might not be a good

question if he's a little too much of a baby. He's literally too. So I'll do this. I'll do this. I'll give you Mount Rushmore of my childhood wrestlers. How about that? We'll do that. Yeah. Whatever's he's used. All right.

All right. Let's go take Hogan off the list. Let's go Sean Michaels. Oh, yeah. Man, that persona. Growing up, that was my guy. Let's go. I'm going to give maybe a dark horse here. Jeff Hardy.

I was a big Jeff Hardy guy. I used to fucking dress like him in high school. I'm telling you. Funny story. I used to get my fingernails painted because he did. Let's go. Let's go the rock. Put the rock on there.

And then I, I could easily say Sina, but I feel like that's too easy of one. Let's go Stone Cold. Nice. Stone Cold of her, yeah, yep, yep, can't confirm. Okay, ever into ECW? Just like the little run they had, like, what was it, 2006, 2007, that short run they had. He's too young to know, like the 90s ECW.

Yeah, yeah. You wouldn't have been around for Raven. We're on different wavelengths. Yeah. Okay. All right. Great work. Somebody else asked me to ask you top four fitness influencers.

I assume it's the same guy that, uh, submitted all the other dumb stuff. Um, yeah, I can give you top four, uh, Fit influencers. When I was getting into it or top four now?

Let me ask you that. Uh, I bet I know none of them anyway. You could literally name, I think now, you can name Muppets right now. now it would be more relevant to anyone that actually if you were to gain anything of value from this episode now would be more better than like five years ago i got i got you tanner tell me

hook and let's throw um dan bell in there there you go take it i don't know i don't know if dan bell's a fitness influencer but he's he's not even on instagram half the time and when he is it's like you ever got on those rabbit holes and you're like i'm pretty sure he's divorced now because like i just the way I watch his, like, stories and see his post, and, like, I don't see anything about his old lady on there anymore. And I'm like, I don't know. I just have a hunch he's not married anymore. But I could be completely wrong.

But usually he's always pretty talking about his wife and shit. And I haven't seen any comments about that. But anyway, we've got some affiliates here for you, around two of these guys. Kim at Barbell Rescue, he'll be at Home GymCon this year. Code unpaid at Barbell Rescue and Home GymCon, save you a little bit of money. Big Grant at the Strength Co. Go buy some apparel there. Use Code Unpaid.

to save on some shirts. And Big Hayden, unpaid or underrated. Is that a game you are familiar with? Yeah, yeah. So we're going unpaid as not very cool. You're not getting paid for it. And underrated as something that is cool and should be rated more highly. Good deal.

That is correct. Unpaid or underrated. I'm guessing this isn't here because you're a nude, well, you're yet, you know, kids under a couple years old. Baby milk formula. I hope this is relative. and not from the asshole because if it's not

if it's, and the look on your face, I'm gonna move on. Just calling him the asshole. It's probably like his best friend. He was the best man at a wedding. I like it. I like it.

Well, I'll go ahead and answer it. I'll go ahead and answer it. It is unpaid, very expensive. Yeah. Yeah, it is.

All right. Unpaid or underrated reverse hypers. Underrated for sure. For sure. If you're not doing reverse hoppers, literally there's not one person I don't think that would benefit now how heavy you're doing them and that sort of stuff kind of varies but I believe everybody could benefit more from regular reverse hoppers and like I try to do them here and there and I'd freaking have I've had the thing for like four or five years and I'd do them not as often as I probably should but like everyone's like oh you should be able to do like three quarters of your squad or half your squad or whatever it is and I'm like man I put like a plate and a quarter on there or two plates. and I'm like dying and I'm like this can't like I don't know if my hamstrings and glutes are that

week or I'm just like got a shitty core like I don't know but yeah I'm I'm telling you the the number one thing I would say that has benefited my deadlift over the years is reverse hoppers across the week just for the decompression aspect or like you're actually like you feel that you're like you're building your hammies and your glutes so so one day I do more decompress decompressive like style I'll go heavier and less control and then the other day I'll be more focused on kind of controlling it and building the strength up. Gotcha.

All right. Unpaid or underrated decline bench press. So one thing we didn't talk about. Ooh, unpaid. Unpaid. Not. Yeah.

Yeah, that's like we lay upside down and bench. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. That's fucking wild. Well, it's kind of like doing. Some people. Isn't it kind of like a board press, though? Because it's a shorter.

I mean, it's almost like a, it's a board press with more work. Because it's a short range of. right? Because I remember the couple of times I did decline bench and all with like a barbell and a commercial gym. I was doing a significant amount more weight than I could do on a flat bench. So I'm assuming it was. Yeah, it's a lot easier.

But I think it definitely is unpaid. You're going to get the same thing out of regular bench or overhead incline any of that. I'm going to do one more just because it's caught my eye. Youth sports specific. Youth, okay, so specific training for youth sports. So not just general weight training for youth sports. We're going unpaid, unpaid. Let's say this.

Young athletes could benefit from just a general fitness routine. Like there's people that say that, you know, you want to be specific to your sport. If you're a young athlete, man, just train, get stronger, get faster, you're going to be better at your sport, no matter what sport it is. What do you do as the head coach of the football team? Do you, like, email out a template to your guys, or do you not, are you even allowed to, like, advise them on weight training when they're that? Yes. So we actually, we have a weight training twice a week with our boys, all of our

boys athletics in middle school. So we get, we have a weight room at the middle school. We train twice a week. And we basically do some squat bench deadlift. Now we keep it super light, making sure that we are doing proper form. And that's the biggest thing with them is make sure proper form and kind of learning the movements. But just building overall strength, it's going to get you better. And going on a side tangent, the explosion of travel ball and, like, playing one sport year round, I think, is definitely unpaid. by doing so you're going to take away from actually training it better at that sport.

Anyway, sorry, that's a side tangent. No, no, no, no. That's, I mean, that's when I grew up, there was, you know, you had all the, it wasn't as, you didn't see too many guys. They're like, oh, I can't play football because I got to get ready for baseball season in six months. Exactly. You know, a lot of guys played, you know, minimum three sports. And if they were really good, they still get a do-do track meets even though they were playing baseball or something like that.

because they were that athletic. Exactly. Yeah, you're going to benefit from multiple sports more than you will benefit from training or doing one sport year round. Yeah, and the likelihood that you're that the 0.1% of athletes that are going to make a million dollars doing this sport at any type of level. Exactly. You get a college education out of it is like very small. Very small, yeah. All right, that's what I got.

I'd, I'd, I. Unpaid or underrated SBD apparel. unpaid unpaid um now that being said the the belts are good but they're very overpriced

go with belt fed um you're gonna the belts are the same um you're actually you're gonna spend a lot less and get the same quality if not better quality um

but overall definitely unpaid super overpriced I like the sleeves personally but that's just because I've worn them for the last like decade Now, that being said, I do have SBD sleeves that I use. But looking back, that was early on, looking back, I would have win a different route for sure. Yeah, I got Norse Fitness of the ass.

I've got like two pairs of knee sleeves, two pairs of elbow sleeves. I've got the wrist wraps. I've got so much Norse fitness stuff. But when I started competing, I went and bought SBD. I've got the knee sleeves and the wrist wraps. I got the super stiff short ones. And they do very well strictly for powerlifting. But when I'm doing strongman movements, I wear the Norse Fitness because they're more comfortable.

They have a little more movement to them. I don't like the wrist wraps for anything other than benching on SBD. So I see what you're saying. And I think you are paying for the IPF approval, if that's still a thing. I stay out of that side of the politics. but I think you're paying a lot for that approval rating. And that's the reason I got SBD was no matter what federation I left in, these are going to be approved.

I don't, there's no way somebody's going to be like, no, the SPD doesn't go here, right? Like, unless they're fighting with SPD. So I think you're right there. They're definitely not bad by any means, but you've got better options. For sure, for sure. Unpaid or underrated. Sissy squats.

Oh Let's go Let's go unpaid But They could be beneficial Can you describe a sissy squat for maybe people like me Who don't do them Yes so it's the

You do a squat, Joey Ah Got him Got them Actually lately Yeah my squats are shit So you basically got your legs locked in locked in and you're squat.

It's almost like a goblet squat. Your knees or your shins are super straight. Doesn't allow much knee bend and it focuses all on the quads. You're standing in like an apparatus basically. Yes, yes, yes. Now, good for quad development, I guess, but I think there's better options. And I know my masonomics guys would like to be sitting on your ass to develop. Yeah, you got to be sitting on your ass to fix those grass.

You're not, your quads ain't working. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Extended. just pretending. Exactly. That's it. Yeah, so let's go unpaid there.

Okay. That's two for me. Unpaid or underrated. Actually, I want to know about this one. I want to hear your opinion, chicken and rice. Let's go underrated. Now, caveat being not just plain chicken and rice. You've got to change up the sauces, keep things.

It needs a different ethnicity every week. Exactly, exactly. Now, the guys that just eat plain chicken and Ross are insane. Yeah, good for you, but like I'm not leaving you alone with my dog. Exactly. Exactly. No, as far as the macros go, you're not going to get better macros, but the flavor, you've got to change it up. You got to use some sauces, change it up.

Yeah, the reason I asked is when I started this new job, I went from a standing job where maybe, maybe I did eight feet of walking at a time to doing 10,000 to 16,000 steps a day. And I also decided, I just want to eat chicken and rice. I said to my wife, I'm like, the best thing you can send me to work with, chicken and rice every day. So I went on this diet of chicken and rice five to, let's say, 10 times a week, because we also have it for dinner. and that's when I lost 15 pounds in three months. I look more jacked than I've ever been, right?

I think, Keith, you can attest to that. I'm smaller, but like I'm way more cut, and I look more like a bodybuilder than I've ever looked. But it was just funny to me to be like, where did all that weight go? And then I look back and go, chicken and rice every day for three months will do that. For sure, for sure.

I eat that every day for lunch. and but like I said I gotta change it up or I won't be consistent with it I like beans I like throwing beans in there especially red beans black beans

yeah I like throwing some black beans in there too yeah but definitely it's just one of those things where it's like I was so shocked where did all that weight go how did I lose all that weight and then I'm like oh yeah that's why that'll do it every time all right Joey I'm fitting to put you on right here yeah yeah you say fitting

we gotta talk he's finna he's finna he's fit up like three different Alabama isms that I've like I've caught and let go. We'll come back to the accents later, but let me put you on real quick. Okay, so let's, here's, here's what I'm going to get you to do. Yeah. Next time you have chicken and rice, mix up, I know it sounds weird, mix up some plain Greek yogurt, non-fat Greek yogurt with some sugar-free ketchup and mustard.

Throw that in your chicken and rice and let me know how that goes. That's that for the past week, that's been to my go-to. Plus, you're getting some extra protein out of the non-fat Greek yogurt. I know it sounds strange. Try it out. Let me know what you think. All right. Isn't mustard already sugar for it?

I detest ketchup. So that might be a hard sell, but. Okay. Try it out. Yeah, try it up. I'm glad you didn't say cottage cheese because that was going to be like a, no. No. No.

I'll eat my cheese sticks. I don't eat cottage cheese. I went on a little cottage cheese kick when a mess and is doing it, but I've gotten out of it. Greek, the non-fat playing Greek yogurt, you got to mix it with stuff or it tastes terrible, but mix it with some sauce, it's really good. I'm trying to gain back at least 10 pounds, so I've been doing two peanut butter and jam sandwiches a day.

Because I think I was more comfortable around 160. I think my competition weight was 172, but I think I was more comfortable around 160. So I'm trying to get back like halfway there at least. and it's kind of working, but and training feels better, eating those extra calories. Oh, yeah. I won't lie about that, except for my arm

fucking killing me. Now, let me ask you, how bad is my accident? I can't, there was a couple of things you said earlier. I wish I could pinpoint what it was, but it, outside of like one or two things. Also, yeah, I think we've interviewed 145 different people from different states, you know, 80% of them were in the

Midwest, but, you know, there's been a couple outliers. So it's nothing we haven't heard before, but it's pretty deep and twangy. He's definitely more twangy, I think, than Oldham's was. That's funny. Yeah, he's from Birmingham, so it's a little bit less. But, yeah, that's funny. I really never, never get the accent conversation until I make the trips of the Arnold each year. Yeah, I was going to say, when you go to the Arnold, you got to get people looking at you sideways, for sure. Oh, for sure, for sure. I honestly didn't notice, which is a weird thing. I think I talked to too many Americans.

Yeah, that's the whole thing, too. You have your own freaking accents up there versus, so it's like, where this is a whole different world. Last one. Unpaid or underrated. Cutting weight. Cutting weight. Cutting weight for a meat or competition?

Yeah. Definitely unpaid. Definitely unpaid. Let me tell you the back story. My third meat I done, I cut weight. Only time I've ever cut weight for a competition in my life dropped. And it wasn't a bad weight drop. It was 10 pounds in around two weeks, which the last day was like four pounds right before weigh-ins.

And went four for eight at my power lifting meat, hit my openers, and hit one second to And that was it. And since then, have never looked back. We'll never cut weight again. Yeah. If you're listening to this and you haven't done a meat and you think you're going to cut weight for your meat, don't be stupid. Go do your meat at your weight.

If it's your first or second meat, you have no business cutting weight. I'll tell people all the time at my gym, unless you're going like, unless you're serious into it and are going. for like records. Don't cut weight. No. It's so, I distinctly remember my first meet trying to be like, well, I want to weigh this, I want to weigh that.

And then just thinking like, why would I go through any of that? I'm not even going to place. Like, why do I care? Exactly. Exactly. Well, you said you were right at 200. So you have a meeting, when your next meet? Or are you assigned up for anything anytime soon?

December. December. Plan is to bulk back out to 220. Yeah, that was my question. I was like, if you're sitting at 200, are you going to be, 18 pounds lighter, you're going to drop two pounds. So, yeah. Now, that being said, I have competed in the 275 class before at 244 pounds.

So I weighed in two pounds over and said, you know what? Let's go up. Let's bump up. Yeah, that's easier than sitting on a sauna for the rest of the day. Oh, and doing a December meet as a new parent. Oh, I guess you don't have winter down there, eh? Like, you don't have it like we do. No, it's not bad.

And it's for our area. It's the closest and honestly the best meet around this past December as well. So it works out. It's early December. So it's kind of before Christmas and all that. Yeah. I think my last meet where I decided I don't want to do them anymore was in December. But also we have winter.

Kids are locked inside with other kids at school. So it's just a germ exchange. I was sick, deathly sick leading into that meet. Still hit my numbers, but felt like an ass, like a bag of smashed assholes, for the entirety of the meat. And I was just like, I'm not, I'm never doing a December meet again.

And I don't think I actually did any meets after that. But, ugh, I think you passed unpaid and underrated. Thank you for playing. You all hire the episode now. I'm glad I finally woke up halfway through fucking funny and embarrassing facts.

I'm sorry, man. What'd you think of last week's episode with the, the D&D theme, Haydn? it's really not my thing but I'm kind of like you I enjoyed it enjoyed it more than I thought I would same yeah I feel like you know

that's good I'm glad it's nice to we did the same thing for three years and kind of threw a curveball of people with that it was uh it was interesting yeah for sure I don't I don't go back and listen to our episodes very often but uh yeah I don't just based on what everybody was saying I was like I think I need to give this one a listen and I will tell you I laughed out loud at my own jokes. Because like, you know, you don't remember what you're doing.

It's an improv thing. You're like, you're going off and just hearing yourself do things, hearing Nate, hearing Keith. I roll to hit Keith still makes me laugh. And then it failing because like in my head, my role to hit Keith was literally just me, like, giving him a tap on the chest and being like, it's wrong with you. And like, that's exactly what it was. like it went perfectly. But yeah,

I forgot that I was the first one to say rule for prolapse. I swore that was all Nate. Yeah. It's like, I feel like the Mandela effect comes into play a lot with some of the shit with like, who said what? Like, like,

because you might have been the one that ran with it, but someone else said it first or vice versa. Yeah. And then like people are, you know, I've been the culprit of pushing people to discord so much to comment on the episodes. And then I'm like reading it.

I'm like, did I say that? was I the funny guy? Was that Nate? Was that Joey? Was that the guest? And then I have to like subtly be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then I'm like, I'm in a private chat with another buddy.

I was like, who fucking said what? Because now the whole world knows about, but yeah, it's, it's, I don't have three hours to listen back every week anymore. But I did, I did it for like, I spent probably a year and a half listening to every single episode, but. And cringing at your. your own voice. I feel like we're,

I feel like we're, I feel like I don't, I don't, I don't, I was studying myself and trying to, like, train myself to be better and like, nitpicking, okay, I need to slow down and not talk as fast. I need to,

this, that and the other, you know, let the guest, when it's the guest turn, let them talk and, you know, let me make the, the pre-shows,

or the, you know, the general topics, we can kind of deep dive ourselves, the rest of the episode, without it being like something very important to try to, keep it all guests. And we,

maybe, maybe, you know, are good and aren't good. So I don't know. But like, I feel that, like, I'm pretty content with what I bring each week. So it's like,

it's hard to listen, man. I like to consume so much other stuff that, uh, I don't know. And I have been really been enjoying listening to, uh, to Waffle Irons podcast with the boys over there. Because that's when it's,

when it's the crew episodes for sure. Every now, they've had a couple guys on there. Like, I don't know who this is. I'm probably not going to listen to it. But like the last two or three episodes, it's been like people we've had on.

So it's just hearing a different take. on them. Oh, one thing. Who the hell was it this week? It was the guest. I can't think of it. Big Kurt. And he was talking about how he went to Crew Falls for the first time. And like we were there. You and I experienced that with him. But the way he kind of worded it differently this week, he was like, or last week it was. He was like, yeah, he was a he described it in a way I never heard and talk about it before. He mentioned how when he booked the Crew Falls trip initially, it's because he couldn't make Lift Hard Live Easy. And he thought the crew falls was something similar. So he thought he was like showing up. up to like a hundred person thing. And then like, I think as he got closer to it, he realized it was just like 20 close friends. And then like was really, so like just that mindset of like not realizing that it wasn't like an

expo that he was going to. It was going to like just like there was just literally hang out. There might have been 30 of us or something. So like that just, it just made me laugh. But I don't know, bring on the friendly competition. There's,

there's room for everybody to do the podcast in my book. So keep it up, boys. And with that, big love lady, do you have anything for us that do you want to pick our brains with? Yeah, I got a couple of questions for you guys. Let's start with this. I know the leg extensions have been a big topic of the Discord as of late. What would you guys say is the leg extension of the upper body?

Preacher curls. Yeah. It's not a bad one. Now, I actually do enjoy a good preacher curl, like a good concentrated, like slow moving preacher curl to really work those biceps. With the dumbbell or with the easy bar, easy curl bar? Here's the thing about easy curl bars. The ferry left one for me and then took it away and I haven't had one. Yeah, so I would use dumbbells so that I could singularly do one arm.

but at the same time count that as two what is it you count that as two is that what they were talking about how do you count your dumbbell reps yep you count you go one one or do you go one two I go one one yeah yeah I want to where I thought Tommy was going with that like I go one one two two three yeah yeah yeah do you guys

if you do anything else I find that one I know I don't know that I don't think I've ever gone like if I'm doing 15 I don't count a 30 exactly. I can't feel that, huh? Yeah. What's your take? What is the leg extension of the upper body?

Hmm. That's, so it's hard to not go with that. Back raises, maybe, like, because in my book, like,

if you look, like, I'm thinking of it like, you know, analytically, I guess or whatever. So like, the,

the leg extension is the bicep and the hamstring would be, the bicep of your leg. Well, like, my, my tricep is my hamstring and my bicep is my quad.

Yeah. But to, to, have the same answer as you, but have something similar. Maybe a tricep extension, like a cable press down. There we go. I can see that. I would, I would say more realistic.

It would be a machine preacher curl or a bicep curl on a machine, which essentially is a preacher curl. Yeah. You just, you set the pulleys down, the pulleys all the way down at the bottom. And that's how you do your tricep curls using that, like, or your bicep curls for some reason. Just go pick up a bar. Good news.

Good news. Y'all both chose, I guess, kind of a seated exercise. Yeah. Yeah. All they're sitting on her butts. That's all that I'm really mad. I mean, if I'm doing accessories, I better be sitting down or I'm going to be. Exactly.

If I can't sit in my ass, I'm going to pass. Yeah. All right. Next up. So kind of a take on the question that kind of went around Masonomics and the Discord a few years ago. If you had to, if you saw someone in the gym lifting for the first time, And you had to judge their strength level based off one lift.

But this is a strongman lift. What is the strongman lift you're choosing? Ooh, that's tough because strongman is so technical. And this is like day one, like never seen. Because then you get in this man, is this someone that's never done strong man and I'm watching them experiment? Or I'm just looking over it like a seasoned person and this is just the one thing I see them doing. Whichever you want to go with it.

Yeah. I think a heavy yoke. Like, I, um, I'm chasing a heavier yoke right now. Like, I think I'm like, I'm in like the mid fives and I want to be able to push well past 600. And it just happened. I haven't had the opportunity to load that much weight because it's just like hasn't been on the program at all kind of thing.

And then I was referencing like my journey of that the other day. And I think I was like talking to someone who of him like, he's a lot smaller. I mean, he's a skinnier guy than me, but we're like similar strength levels on like press, but he can easily a lot stronger on like other, you know, anything like, like, back related essentially. And he's like, oh, yeah, you know, I do like an eight or 900 or 900 pound yolk. I'm like, you motherfucker.

So I think yoke is like deceptive of what some people can get under. But if they're talking like a new person, like what would be the, I'll let Joey answer. And I want to circle back to like the new person lift because I kind of want to answer it from two point of year. Okay. That'd be my answer for experience. I think I'd be very interested in their sandbags.

Ooh, that's a good one. I, because like as somebody who honestly, I jumped into sandbags and had no training, zero training. And I filled my first one up to 150 pounds like a fucking idiot because I was like, well, my deadlift's 400 plus. So clearly I can sandbag 150. Nope. Nope. I immediately had to go down to 100 pounds and work my way back up. And I think that if you're looking at somebody's overall ability to maneuver

weird things, which I do kind of think strong manned slash natural stone lifting slash highland games is, it's your ability to maneuver weird thing. So I would probably watch them do their sandbags and see how they do them, how heavy they do them and how effectively they do them without hurting themselves. And that's how I would gauge like, that's a strong person. Yeah, that's fair. Which would be to any type of loading event, but I think I would simple it down to sandbags are a bit of a skill. Stones are a lot of a skill. I think keg over bar still be in a much bigger skill. Peg over bar can eat it. I think someone could do keg over the bar as a new. This is my, my, my, my, my nob, which is the same vein of like, you know, how's your triple extension? But like,

I think a new person could probably do keg over bar easier than. No, I don't, I don't think so at all. Because I think if you put a heavy keg in front of somebody, like the problem I have, with kegs and I'm thinking kegs. I'm also thinking the buckets I filled with gravel a couple weeks ago. I'll pick up a rock or a sandbag before I'll pick up a keg properly, right? Because the kegs, the stuff moves, but like the shell doesn't move. So like the weights transitioning, uh, you've got to find the finger holds. You got to all that. I, I think sandbags have that weirdness enough to them that you got to figure out how to get under them, how to get them into your lap, how to stand up with them.

You put them on your shoulders, a nightmare, right? Especially if they're pea gravel. I know you guys like to make fun of me for pea gravel, but I think pee gravel has its place in the weirdness of movements, and you should train with both, because I have a sandbag and I have two pea gravels. And they're different things to lift. So I think I might disagree. I think kegs are, they have handles, man, like at some point.

That's not how you pick them up, though. Like, until you've loaded, I'm talking about, have you loaded a keg like horizontally over a yoke? But you think that like you would see somebody doing that and be like, like, that's the thing? We're not going to have the same. Sandbag is pretty much the right answer, but I'm not going to pick the same answer as you twice yet, douche. So. You'll never agree with me. That would be awful.

Gary says I have to allow people to have different opinions in. tastes, fucker. Yeah. What was my follow up to that? I think I had. Oh, at the end of the day, though, if you're doing some type of strong man training, I'm going to respect you and think you're a lot stronger than any power lifter nowadays, though.

I just, my mindset has shifted so much. Like, I see power lifts on Instagram that I used to, like, like, be such fans of and, like, enamored by. And I'm just like, I don't give a fuck.

Just doing three lifts. Like, you're not out there, like, like, breaking your back, picking up some weird ass rock like I am. Like, this is so much more fun. Like, live a little. I did enjoy my time in power lifting, but I'm glad it's, it's on pause because power strong man is so much more fun. But one, yep. I try not to look down on obviously any kind of lifting. But, because like, then you go to the, well, I lift natural stones. Well, I lift this.

Will I do that? Like, it's just one of those things. Like, it's a continuous kind of, what do you call it? Like a jealousy journey or something like that. Like, I don't know. There's some part of that that I don't think I want any part of. But yeah, I see power lifters and I'm just like, that's a lot of weight. It's fucking boring, though. Yeah. And I'm not saying that because I'm like, I'm stronger and I've got everything. Yeah.

Like I'm weaker than like 90% of my friends that are in the strength sport game. I just enjoy strong men. Exactly. So much more now. Yeah. That was a good 900 pound deadlift. Anyway. Yeah, but it's like.

Why didn't you hitch it? That would have been easier. Yeah, yeah. Get some straps, you weirdo, and go to a thousand. Like, fuck, figure it out. It'd be cool to see what he could do on the silver dollar apparatus. Like, I don't know. I think my mind goes to like just, I don't know.

You like what you like when you're in it. And it's just like, that's the more important thing. And Hayden's into powerlifting. And I just, I loved powerlifting for a damn near a decade. Oh, I love some strong men, too. It's really cool to find a new thing 10 years into it, like, but still be in the same. thing, you know what I mean? Like, just pivoting, but it opened up so many new doors.

But one, uh, one event that I wouldn't really give a shit about your strength level on is tire flip. Oh my. Yeah. I, I, I, I was talking to somebody today. So I mentioned I'm doing the Lift Hard Live Easy at CAMs. So I'm doing the same events and there's a tire flip. And knowing that my elbow tendon really wants to fall off right now, I'm not looking for.

I was like, I know it's a lift hard live easy. You're not allowed to wear. any elbow sleeves. I'm wearing elbow sleeves whether you're allowed to. Like, I'd help to read the rules because I'm fucking wearing them. Well, for the press melody,

you're not medley. You're not allowed. According to Lyftrad Levisi, but for the tire flip, I don't think it said anything. But I told Cam, I was like, if I can't wear elbow sleeves, I'm not doing anything.

Because my elbow tendon wants to pop right off. I did axle clean and press yesterday, and I haven't been in that much pain in a long time. Yeah, so, yeah, tire flip I'm not looking forward to. I think I've been training searchers enough that, like, I don't need to bicep curl a tire. I think I can get under it with my arms kind of in front of me to flip it and focus more on my shoulders and back.

But, yeah, there was a, Hayden, I don't know how close you were paying attention. There's a stone out in my yard. You might like the story, or you might not. Don't know. So I guess my dad in his garden has this big granite rock and it slid. We had a heavy rainfall and it slid into the ditch into my neighbor's yard. So I come home one night and I'm just outside with the kids and Morgan goes, by the way, the neighbor had a big shovel and pry bar trying to move that rock back onto our property

and kept looking at the house to see if anybody was going to help. And I was like, I think he was looking for me. So I go out and I kind of like walk around the rock a couple times. I'm going to fucking move this rock. And she goes, not today you aren't. Like you just worked all day. You've had a beer. You're not fucking moving that rock today.

I was like, ah, that rock's 250 pounds. I can move that rock. But I'm going to wait till the weekend. So I have a work out on Saturday. And then I go out and I'm circling the rock. I can see the handles. Oh, man. like with a natural stone you guys have to i don't know how do you guys do natural stones

uh play around with them okay so you know then you know you've got to like find the handles yeah make sure you can see it get some air under it get it into your lap nope i find the handles i try to get air under it i cannot i can't even get hair under it let alone air under it and i go okay i'm not giving up i'm moving this rock to where it has has to go. So the neighbor comes out and he goes, I, you can't move that, don't try. My dad's going, you can't move that, don't try. And I was like, you got to at that point. Yeah, like, shish, I might not be

able to pick it up and walk with it, but I'll get it where it needs to go. This rocks over 300 pounds. There's no way it isn't. Once I actually had it like in my hands, so I pick it up onto its side to see if I can lift it kind of like, like under arm. No, I couldn't. I ended up having to flip it twice to get it where it was. But like,

Oh, there's your tire flip. Is there a better feeling? Is there a better feeling? Then like, somebody telling you, you can't move that. There's no way you'll move that.

I tried with this and I tried with that. And you're just like, I'm gonna fuck do it. And I went out there. I slipped once because the grass was wet. And like, just like it was hard to move. But like,

would you be able to do that without all the training you do? Right? I got it to where it needs to go. That rock is where it has to stay right now. That's awesome, yeah. 300 pound plus rock. Yeah, I know about wet grass. I busted my ass carrying the kick yesterday.

Oh, yeah. That was. Did you get a camera? No, it's on there. And a couple people, like, are you okay? Like, like, I think Eddie and Joe Lisa were like, I thought you died because, like, my ankle goes out underneath me as I'm lapping the keg.

So that was fun. All right. Last question, boys. It's funny now that we've kind of talked about it. Any plans or any interest in ever doing another powerlifting meet? I'll do one. I'd like to do one this year, but only if everything works out perfectly.

And part of that is just because my particular tendencies I want to, be able to say I've, you know, power lifted for X amount of years. And if I don't hit this year, then I don't, I can't, you know, I'm stuck at eight. So I'm not going to restart that cycle. So, but even if, even if I like, and honestly, I care less about that every day that passes and every day it gets closer to like, because there's a, there's a USAPL meet in like September, which would be kind of like only like six or seven weeks after the July show. And then there's an RPS meet in October, but it's only like three or four weeks later. So it's not a huge difference. but it's enough to like, all right, I can do a lift fairly easy and then run like a nine week prep if I really wanted to beat my body up like that.

But that would be like a six week out decision or something maybe. But I also need to like tell my coach in advance because I'm not going to like pay them to do a prep and then not do the show. So I kind of do need to know pretty much at the lift or really easy if I'm going to turn around and pivot into powerlifting meat, which part of me wants to because I'd love to fucking squat like $450 on the platform or something big and just get a big squat PR. but, you know, but if I don't compete this year, I will compete in powerlifting at one point. Because at some point, I'm going to, I look at it like this way, I'm going to be too fucking broken to do Strongman no matter what the, just because Strongman is so, you know, it all depends on the meat director. Some meat directors will give you like a 60 plus category and the weights are a lot more doable. But like they're still going to be fucking, you still have to go pick up like a 200 pound, you know, whatever. And as a 60 year old person, you know, or a 70 year old person will go be able to do that.

I don't know. But as an 80-year-old dude, I know I can go out and fucking deadlift 135 and squat 135 and bench 135, you know, 95 pounds. So yes, I will 1 million percent power lift again before I die. It's just do I do it 20 more times or two? I don't know. And that's kind of my problem with powerlifting is like, yeah, there's people out there just doing basic one plate and like set in records. No, the odds of me doing another power lifting meat. Honestly, you pay $100 to get into the meet.

You pay your $75 federation fee. You get all of this. For what? Like, honestly, for what? The motivation to do the training going up to it is what a lot of people do is it for. Some people don't get that. Yeah, if that works for them, that's great. It does not work for me.

That is a lot of people would do get off on that. Yeah. And then that's great if that's what it takes. But like, do I want to drop $200 to, place first in my weight class where there's only one of us. I don't know. I'm just not, I'm not that interested.

The odds of me doing it, unless somebody says to me, come lift, will sponsor, whatever, there's no chance. There is no chance I'll do a power lifting meet. There's actually very small chance I'll even do a strong man meet.

There's a higher chance of me doing a stone meat or a Highland game. Those are a thing too. It's just a matter of where they're at. Like I got a lot of... Well, the stone meet, I'm already, I ended up talking to the guy, if you remember, from a couple weeks ago. He's put me on the wait list, but he hasn't given me the weights yet, which is concerning. But I also, wait list for the novice that is, because I know that was, you couldn't do the open weights, but the novice you might have been able to. But you're, that sucks.

He doesn't have it figured out yet, but. Well, it's just that he's not answering me. But then also somebody called out for, do you want to be a judge? Well, maybe I do. Or a referee. Like, maybe I do. So I think that a stone or highland meat is, more in line for me or a strong man maybe a strong man i think i put it in the discord and

everybody was kind of like do it anyway i don't i don't want to do trap bar for reps at a strong man event i don't want to i was looking at the events and they're just not at all interested to me i don't know where you saw unless you dm for someone i just saw trap bar okay so i i saw trap bar but ye but it could have been i just it could have been other it could have been like because you could have had the ability to do like a 700-pound trap bar, which would have been kind of cool. You know, I don't know. Like, it could be four reps or rising.

You just, you don't know because I was curious because I was looking at that. And I was like, oh, there's no iron podium link yet. It's just like a generic. This is what we're going to do. Well,

we don't have iron podium, right? Canada's not on iron podium. Does it not at all? No, no. And that's, I think part of the other thing that bothers me. But I just like,

no, I was looking at that event thinking, yeah, sure, maybe I'll do that one. I don't want to do any of those events. I have no interest in any of the events. Was that the only one that's actually been near you in Hamilton then? Yeah, yeah. It's like right near me. So maybe I'll go and watch, but.

Yeah. If it's more of a local leveler, because I know you said you went to the one, but it was pretty national level, so it wasn't really like something you, you know, not something you'd be competing in essentially. Yeah. So something that you would be able to compete in

or would be eligible depending on what you have to qualify for and stuff. Because I don't know, everything's different. I think maybe up there from here, because you guys have provincials, which I think is like... Yeah. So the one that we were talking about is a provincial,

which qualifies you for nationals. Word. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, it's like if you finish, if there's X amount of people in your class and you win it or if you even podium,

if there's like the more amount of people, the lower you can finish and still qualify for national levels. But then we also have two big federations that both handle shit differently. It's kind of wild. Yeah. And the odds of me placing at all.

Yeah. Especially as somebody who dispelible. as trap bar deadlifts. It all depends on who shows up, you know. I despise. I said to Morgan, I said trap bar deadlift. I have no interest in those.

I had to fight for my trap bar the other day really hard because it was, it was low handle. I've been trying to force myself to do low handles a lot. I don't know. I like the trapboard just because it's a good, to me it's a good squat variation. I do it for my, you know,

I do it on deadlift day just because I, my coach just, you know, we know with my back historic issues of like, I don't need to pull from the floor on a straight bar, you know, every single week. So I can throw a trap bar in just for the variation. But I've been doing a lot more low bar, low handle, which is a completely different game, especially on mine where my, with that rogue bar, the high handles are like an 18 inch deadlift.

And the low handles are like, you know, regular deadlift height. So I think I had worked up to 450 or something because I needed, I at least wanted one of my lifts for the garage gym competition to be kind of heavy. So I went off book. And I think I did my three by three at like whatever, 400. whatever it was. And then I loaded up the 450 and I missed it a few times and I finally got it and I was so amped up that I, you know, I have a little rivalry with Andrew Garrison, which I wouldn't, isn't really a rivalry because he's like, you know, 15% stronger than me across the board on things. But it was, uh, I had his sticker on my trap bar and I like to, uh, if anyone is privy to the private video sometimes where I take a sticker off and kind of have, have sex with it virtually. It's just, it's, uh, it's just something that gives me a chuckle and he, he gets a kick out of it. So that's kind of, I don't do it like out of, like out of, Matt, It's literally one of my best friends. It's just fun. But having that extra motivation of like knowing that I'm at the bottom of the class in my master's class.

So like I'm going to, you know, finish second to last or last in all the events. So I'm just there to have fun. So I got to have fun with it. And, you know, it'll be a good, it'll be a good trip this year. Well, Hayden, like I always say, the trap bar has several uses in the gym, none of which are a deadlift. It is for sure. I love a squat variation though. I don't know when the last time I've done a trap bar.

bar dead lift. I could not tell you. Me either. I despise them. And, yeah. But anyway, so all that's based on your powerlifting question. Oh, yeah. We did have a question nine minutes ago. We tangent off that one, for sure, tangented.

We're riffing, man. We're the rifters. No, that's all I had, though, guys. Love it. Did we motivate you to do Strongman or to trap our dead? Which one are you? What's more likely after this conversation that you're going to Do a strongman show, or are you going to trap our deadlift? Let's go a strongman show.

Nice. I'm telling you, if there's one local that pops up, definitely going to be in on it. Yeah, yeah. Good deal. All right. Well, let's, uh, one more time. You want to plug your gym radar for the gym. You want to plug your personal Instagrams.

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